I'm thinking uneducated hunters. I live in a heavily populated black bear area and I feel completely comfortable going inna woods with my .357 loaded with Winchester JHPs
TheScienceFoundation I agree I love my Buffalo Bore 159's JHP and 180's Hard cast, I am working up some nasty hard cast hand loads with 158's, but I feel well armed in new England hiking in the woods at anytime with my S&W 686 357mag
Regarding the question of the shoulder holster, they were marketed by Smith and Wesson back in the eighties but actually manufactured by Gould and Goodrich. Great video!
Hi Ed. Have you purchased any buffalo bore ammo lately? I've read some discussions saying that they are no longer using Speer Gold Dot bullets and are using Montana Gold bullets.
Good question, I'm not sure, I love buffalo bore ammo and I'm sure all of there bullets are a least good. I don't think it would matter too much, any 125 lead 357 mag bullet will outperform the best 9mm, 40, and 45acp bullet. When I hunt I pay close attention to bullets. I really like the 180 hard cast and the 158 soft nose.
So does the Buffalo Bore 158 grain actually kick significantly harder than the 180 grain or just slightly? I always thought the 180 grain would have the hardest kick out of all 357 rounds. And have you ever tried Double Tap 200 grain loads?
The 158's kick the hardest, even a little more than the 180's. I have never tried the 200's from double tap. I will look for them. I also have a box of B.B. 9mm +P+ and will have a video up soon.
Big ED After watching this video last week, you persuaded me to order my own 158 BB which came in the mail today. I shot a few of em earlier today and holy hell, they carry the true devastation of a 357... I went to underwood website @ www.underwoodammo.com/357magnum.aspx and saw how they match BB's 158gr (1475fps 763ft/lb) and 180gr (1400fps 783ft/lb) loads exactly in specs, except you get a higher value in a 50 round box instead of 20 rounds. What do you think? I wonder if they are as high in quality as BB, because I heard that BB are pretty accurate with the stated velocity, and uses high quality Starline brasses (not that i actually care lol)
Giang Ngo I looked at the Underwood website, and according to there numbers they are similar, in power, I have also heard that Underwood is good ammo. It looks like you can also save money buy U.W. vs B.B. Also B.B. uses starline brass witch is AAA+++. I would order some and do a comparison video, but no more mail order ammo in NY, thanx Cuomo.
Big ED I recently ran into some new custom loads online from a group called Littlestone Ammunition. According to the specs, these are 200 grains, hard cast, gas check, are flying out of an 8 inch barrel at 1400fps, 871ft/lb! Anyway, I ordered a box myself and it should be here sometime within the next few days. There is another guy here on UA-cam posting a video reviewing first Littlestone 357 batch also.This is their website by the way www.littlestonesrus.com/357-Magnum-200-Grain-Cast-Performance-Wide-Long-Nose-Gas-Check-Box-of-50_p_1261.html PS, New York is in fact permitted to accept ammunition shipments, but only to an FFL dealer. So feel free to order hot loads and have em ship to your nearest gun stores
Giang Ngo Interesting video the guy shooting says the B.B. kicks harder than the littlestone hummmm...... Also an 8+ barrel will help them get moving also they warn the C.O.L. is longer then 357 mag spec. Cool stuff!
+Lance Almekian I would use either 158's or 180's on black bear 200lbs or less, but would feel comfortable in woods for bear protection. A 44 mag for larger than 200 lbs. For Grizz might wanna look at 454, 460 and 500 S&W mags. Polar bears could become extinct cause shrinking ice caps, don't hunt them.
+Jim Trouten It's probably gonna hurt alittle, all I would shoot out of any 2" 357 would be 125JHP's it's the best self protection round out there and all that revolver is made for.
+Big ED right on. The owners manual for the Taurus 617 says shoot nothing under 125 grains because lighter, hotter loads will erode the cylinder face. Bizarre enough, 125 grain Hornady Critical Defense has more recoil than 150 grain PMC defense ammo. I might try it anyway. Sounds crazy I know.
I carry the 180 grain in my gp 100. Not an edc i only carry them while im night fishing off the ky river banks. It gets a little spooky around 2 am and the BB ammo is like a security blanket to me.
If you're into hot rounds, Garrett Cartridges makes for big bore stuff (.44 and up) that will rattle your teeth. Some of those are also not approved for S&W N frames.
I whole hearted agree with you. I carried .357 in the 60s .. 158 standard off the shelf. The Buffalo Bore are definitely terrific round. Hodgdon says max load 125 GR. HDY XTP W296 [ 21.0gr 1,881 fps][ Max 22.0gr 1,966 fps] Hodgdon H110 1.590" 21.0gr 1,881fps Max 22.0gr 1,966 fps 158 GR. HDY XTP W296 15.0gr 1,418 fps Max 16.7gr 1,591 Hodgdon H110 15.0gr 1,418 fps Max 16.7gr 1,591 fps [180 GR. HDY XTP W296 .357" 13.0gr 1,352 fps Max 13.5 gr 1,396 fps Hodgdon H110 .357" 13.0gr 1,352 fps Max 13.5gr 1,396 fps]
.357MAG is my personal fav. I have the ruger gp100 6" barrel. It is an awesome gun, very well built, love the full under lug. Only thing I don't like is I have shorter fingers so it's hard for me to cock it with one hand. It is not hip candy, I fire it as much as my budget allows, so I know exactly what a .357MAG can do. Anyone who says it's not powerful enough is an idiot. Even the cheaper less powerful rounds are devastating enough to if not kill you out right, will make you pray to your maker that it did.
I figured that lol. California passsed the new law saying all hunting has to be lead free. Most ridiculous law on the books in America if you ask me....we'll maybe not, but still pretty stupid if you ask me.
no, they are lead free in that they set lead free! If you love the lead, set it free, and let it complete its destiny out in the world! weee! Sorry, I seriously need sleep.
Sick damn video! Have a few BBore 158 gr .38 +P left The ones I’ve put thru my model 640 felt like 357 So I could only imagine what a .357 mag feels like w the amount of powder they load up w 🤯🤯🤯
I just picked up a Colt Trooper Mark III 4" review will be up in the next few weeks. it could be the only handgun you'll ever need. Keep an eye out for another B.Bore 357 video next Saturday 180's huge power. ua-cam.com/video/VKV98EfhUOk/v-deo.html
Big ed. Thanks for the. Review I am going to be Getting the 🐃bore 180 grains for. D fence against 🐻 in the north woods of Wisconsin thank you for. The video
Pandataco I measured another one (19D/20 I think), and it matched what they said it would do in a rifle. From the Buffalo Bore website: Make special note of the Marlin 1894, 18.5 inch barrel velocities. Item 19C/20, supercedes 30-30 energies!!! 18.5 inch Marlin 1894 a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast = 1851 fps b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1860 fps c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 2153 fps---- Can you believe this?!!! d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 2298 fps---- Or this?!!!
Big ED Their Buffalo-Barns lead-free 150 gr 30-30 (28B) is rated 2198 fps (1609 ft-lbs) from a 16" barrel. 158 gr at 2153 fps is 1626 ft-lbs. Their stretching a bit, but they're not outright lying.
To those who are saying 357 magnum isn't enough, when I was target practicing with 180 grain, 1450 fps buffalo bore at my gun range, the mound behind the target that was taking the bullets had 2 or 3 rocks coming down the hill and a piece of wood sliding down, because of the bullets hitting the surface of the hill below them. Think about that for a second. It was only a 4.2 inch barrel, and I'd take that in the woods with me.
@@ShadowCatGambit That's a great revolver and will run any load take a look at at my newest .357 Buffalo bore video. ua-cam.com/video/U_dr25GUba8/v-deo.html
The 180 grain is not lead free or made out of tungsten. Lol. LFN-GC is Lead Flat-Nose with a Gas-Check. It's a hardcast lead bullet and, yes, they hit hogs like a freight train!
those 125 GR rounds are extremely powerful! I just picked up a 6 inch sw586 revolver, love this gun, and i'm thinking of getting those 125grs for home defense! man, those are nasty loads. I would hate to be on the other side of that revolver. Who would say the .357 magnum isn't powerful enough? I read somewhere that the .357 magnum produces 20 percent more energy than a .44 spl and a .45 long colt.
125 grain are the ultimate defensive round for a 357, Buffalo bore just puts them on steroids. Unless those 44 sp and 45 colt are hand loaded to the Max a 357 will crush any factory loadings.
Hell yeah! I definitely got to get some now! 800 foot pounds of energy, that's approaching .44 magnum levels. 6 rounds of that and 6 rounds of 12 gauge 00 buck would ruin anybody's day!
thought you might be interested to hear that i shot the buffalo bore "Low flash low recoil" 158gr 357 mag out of my bond Arms derringer, 2 1/2" barrel a few times for amusement. it still had really violent recoil. i had fun.
I just got a 6inch 686 6round for 650$ out the door, took the lame giant granny grips off and put on some classic panels and carry it in a cross draw holster.. Texas is getting wild 😜
All 3 Rounds can I fire them out of my Henry big boy All Weather repeating Rifle in .357 mag/.38spl ? (20" barrel) I'd like to possibly use these to hunt and home defense in Rifle and my Handgun. Thank you. Blue Skeleton
I carry a Ruger LCR 357. People always ask why would have carry such a powerful gun...they say, oh, you need a 9mm or a .380, or a .38 or a .40...I say, I like the .357. One bad thing about my gun is it is so frickin loud, and it kicks pretty hard. I shot it with Buffalo Bore loads once....damn!
The only ammo I've been able to find here in Charleston SC is 158 grain made in Russia 🇷🇺 lol. It's powerful. My pistol is a long bore GP 100 stainless steel.
Only thing heavier that I've seen on the market is Grizzly Cartridge 200gr. Reports on that product page quote 1360 FPS out of a 6-inch S&W 586. But with the heavy bullet you do lose powder capacity and velocity comes down. You may however gain penetration ability terminally. Velocity isn't everything.
I won't argue that with good shot placement these rounds can take deer, but they certainly will not do the job as efficiently as a .44 mag or .45 colt. To put it in numbers: .358 x 158g x 1475fps = Taylor Knock Out of 11 .43 x 240g x 1250fps = Taylor Knock Out of 18 .452 x 240g x 1250fps = Taylor Knock Out of 19 And these .44 mag and .45 colt loads are conservative, nowhere near their maximum pressures. My question is why push you gun's tolerances to their limits when you can kill the animal easier, and have more versatility with a better suited caliber?
That is not true, the formula is designed to give you a ballpark of the cartridge's effectiveness on big game, hence why John Linebaugh uses it for his heavy revolver loads.
Joseph Kool The taylor knockout can be used for both hand guns and rifles, the only difference between a 45-70 vs 45 colt is velocity they will shoot the same bullets. Also I have $800 wrapped up in a S&W 686 I hard to wrap up another $900+ in a S&W 629 some day I will.
Big ED close, but not quite. The 45-70 shoots .458 bullets, but the .45 colt, acp, 454 and 460 all shoot the .452 (or .454 in lead). The difference is seemingly negligible, but at the higher ends it is the difference between damaging your gun, or not engaging the rifling as effectively. You can use a swaging press to make .452s into .458s or visa versa, but it's not just a simple thing.
I ment as far a shooting the bullets, not reloading them, its like 9mm (.355) and 357 mag, there pretty much the same bullet jus the 357 is moving a lot faster and yes I reload them both and don't mix them up.
If you just fire a few it would hurt a 357 revolver, I have never seen a warning form S&W or and ammo manufacturer for a 357, 44mag on the other hand another story.
I'm just looking at that on there website, that's nuts. The problem is I can't order that stuff and for delivery in NY, I'm not sure my local stores will carry it. Can you get a box I will definitely run it threw my 686 over the Chrono. www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=541
Mr Julius. You miss the mark completely. My M1a1 tank in the Army had a Taylor KO of 9000000. There's always something bigger. I guess with your thought process bow hunting wouldn't take anything down. Huge calibers only compensate for poor shot placement. If I shoot a white tail in the right rear leg with a 300 Komatsu excavator it will die. If I shoot the same spot with a .22 it won't. Just enjoy the damn video.
Big ED 500 lb elk, what are they shooting the cows or the babies, good average size bulls go right at 800 pounds on the hoof as an average weight, I know very well, I live out west as you call it, in the awesome state of Idaho, and litterly right out my back door is the largest expanse of no roads wilderness left in the lower 48 states (the selway bitteroot, frank church, gospel hump wilderness and what around here we call the Idaho primitive area ) you can quite litterly walk in a strait line, or as the crow flys, and travel no less than 75 miles, and never see a road, anything that resembles civilization, or for that matter most likely never see another human being, in terrain that can range from 800 feet above sea level to nearly 12,000 foot granite topped mountains, I've hunted this place for nearly 40 years with everything from old time long bow, recurve, and compound bow, muzzle loader, rifle, and handgun, and have taken quite a few Elk and bear with all those various weapons at one time or another, and while the 357 will do it (and I do have a fondness for the 357) it is by no means my choice to go starting a fight with those large and tough animals, you can't appreciate how large those Elk and larger bears like a grizzly (quite common in the places I travel) are, and how tough they can be to stop, or even make a good shot on until you try it in that type of terrain, trust me you will come to want substatially more horse power, for me that equates to a 5 inch 454 raging bull, by the way a well placed razor sharp broadhead is a very effective killer, so long as it's well placed, just not against bear due to bleed out time required to make the kill, but I have hunted and killed 2 very large black bear with a old time long bow from a tree stand over bait (the most common way in this area) both where less than 20 yard shots, neither bear went very far at all with one well placed arrow. take care
Mr.SigDan,it's just the opposite. Large calibers do not make up for poor shot placement. Shooting a bear in the leg with a .375 H&R mag isn't going to do any better than a 30-06 to the leg.
You'll love it "made in America or not at all". Henry's may be a little heavy, but hot loads out of my Rossi 44 hit the shoulder a little hard. I think Henry's weight would probably tame that quite a bit.
People protected themselves against grizzlies and everything else with cap and ball pistols for centuries. Anyone that sagas the 357 magnum isn’t powerful enough is either ignorant or just needing to justify another gun purchase.
Someone i know shot a home intruder with a .357 mangum 125 grain hollow point and he ended his life): I was convinced and bought me a gp100 4 inch barrel and i keep mine loaded with 158 grain HP from horandy! I am hoping never to use it! I shot a round of that stuff and it's mean!
Big ED ---unfortunately I'm running some Lehigh extreme penetrators in my ruger sp101, but I need to balance out the chaos & order some buffalo bore. I like those flat lead looking ones, the last of the three you shot. Dirty south style. Thanks for the heads up on ammo
back in the 60's we carried exactly that but we loaded this way: 158 gr lead, 158 grain ball, AP (they had an AP round back ten) .. the AP is not good for use in a building (goes through too much) .. actually the JHP is better for the average use. Be aware though that part of what makes a 357 so remarkable is the large variety of projectiles that can be used [look at Lehigh, Hornady and several other bullet types .. for variety of performance applications] PLUS loading data for that weight and caliber. Buffalo Bore is great if you do not reload .. it is a well made round (for being out in the woods.. I saw three cougar walking from Campo to Warner Springs on PCT).. they were not interested in me but they could have been.
I am going to have to order some of this ammunition for whitetails here in upstate PA. I have a Ruger GP100 SS 6" and from what I have read they are made to handle a steady diet of hot magnum rounds. I practice with just cheaper Federal 158 jsp rounds and they are very easy to shoot out of the GP...You could shoot them all day one handed with that Ruger...Well made revolver for sure being 45 oz. and hogue grips..I'm sure it will not be to bad with something in the 700 ft. lb. category which is what I want for deer...I feel plenty safe with that combo to take one in the 75yd. range and with a good shot placement drop it quickly...I'm thinking actually of trying a round that uses a Barnes copper bullet also. I tried them this year for the heck of it out of my varmint rifle...A Rem 700 in 223 with a 24" barrel with just a timney trigger and a good Nikon scope....those little 55gr vor tx barnes went clear thru fully expanded and left no fragments behind. Mine was a mature 200lb 8 pt at 150yds. My son had to try it and the next day got his buck at over 200yds with that same load...same thing,,straight through, full expansion, no fragmentation and a quick kill. It sure made a believer out of me....We usually use our 7mm rifles for deer....sure did surprise my hunting party...so I have full confidence in the .357 with a well placed shot with a good deep penetrating bullet that expands will work just fine within under 100yds out of my handgun...I gotta do it at least once...who knows I might like it so much that I will put my bow and rifle away....hahaha..thanks for the review of BB ammo...I see they load some Barnes as well......hmmm.
I love hunting deer with .223 its a little light but so accurate and easy to shoot you can put the bullet anywhere you want up to 300 yards, so with good bullet choice its a great option. If you comfortable taking a 75 yards revolver shot go for it (I would not) my max might be 35-40 yards with irons. But I think and soft nose 158gr or heavier bullet will be fine for deer coming out of a 357. I think 7mm rem mag is over kill for deer, stick with .223 or 357. Great comment.
I should of added my 7mm aren't Rem mags. They are 7mm-08 short action cartridges. Mine is a Rem 700 BDL, my sons is a Rem Model 7 in 7mm-08. I love that round and I especially like my sons Model 7 chambered in that caliber. It has a true short action receiver and is a stainless steel barrel. Great cartridge with low recoil and plenty of range...I used to own a 7 rem mag years ago but got away from the big Magnum rifles years ago...I feel perfectly at ease using 7mm-08 rounds...They are just necked down .308's. I use 139gr Hornaday SST rounds in those rifles...No issues with being enough gun anywhere on my property...My old revolver was a Smith 686 7 shot .357 mag...I had it drilled and tapped and put a Bushnell TRS 25 dot scope on it...It was scary accurate out past 100yds...I feel safe with irons shooting out to 75yds. at the most....More than likely keep it at bow range....Something I would love to see our state of PA. do is open handgun hunting along with archery hunting so I can hunt the rut...i'm not talking single shot pistols that shoot rifle cartridges....Just plain old revolvers...
Stu650Zuk Another great comment, I also really like 7mm-08 and wanted to do my Remote 700 build with that instead of .308 but the bullet selection for hand loading long range stuff is not good so I stuck with .308, that scope on that 686 must be wicked, I also have a ruger super Redhawks 44mag 7.5" I just have a hard time putting a scope on a good looking revolver. I've also got my eye on a brass Henry octagon 44 mag, it will stay with irons. lol
That is the truth about adding optics to an expensive great looking revolver. I hated the thought of having it drilled and tapped but did it anyhow. Those Bushnell TRS-25 red dot sights are surprisingly a very good red dot for the money. It was small and fit the gun very nicely. The dot size was only 2 or 3 moa also..It was very accurate and never lost it's zero. I'm not going to drill and tap my new GP100 though. It shoots very well without any type of optic..I also want it to stay looking the way it does. I did order the Ruger red ramp front sight for it though..never had a revolver that was so easy to change a front sight with. I have my eye on a S&W 629 performance center 44 mag as my next revolver purchase..It comes with a rail already onto it to mount either a red dot or a regular type scope..and its in 44 mag! imo its all the handgun anyone really needs...one good hit with my 357 does way more damage than a bunch of misses from a .454 casull.
Stu650Zuk I had a ar15 300blk and traded it, I miss the eotech red dot that thing was awesome, I'm toying around the idea of a glock 10mm with a red dot or a new saw m&p 2.0 with a red dot, I'm also looking at a saw performance center 629 7.5" 44mag on buds for $1,030.00 well worth it with great resale and investment quality.
Hard cast LFN-GC is not lead-free it's all lead. It stands for Lead Flat Nose (referring to the flat tip of the bullet) with a gas check. and is definitely not tungsten. should have checked comments first should have known others would jump on that lol
I love the video man. Good Stuff. But in the beginning you said that alot of people have said that .357 mag is not powerful enough....Who the hell has ever said that??
I winter up in Vermont and there's hunting guys up there that give the 357 slack as a hunting caliber on anything larger than 150lbs deer. I think they under estimate a .357 158 gr HP Buffalo Bore!
Big ED I loved the 180 BB lead flat nose hard cast that I shot through my 686 four incher. Do you feel that shooting real hot ammo like BB or double tap 200gr can damage a 686?? I have heard/read that the Smiths can't handle the hotter loads, although I think they are referring to a 44 mag, not a .357. My 686 kicked hard, hurt my palm a bit but seemed to handle the 180's fine. Curious as to when I get the double tap 200grains tho....1200 fps, something like close to 600 foot pounds, maybe a little more I forget.
aran125 I think the BB 158's are the hottest, because it a good balance of powder capacity in the case and bullet weight, the 180's and defiantly the 200's I think you might lose energy do to lack of room for powder due to bullet seating so deep. Smith 357's are fine with hotter loads, its when you step up to 44 mags BB +P+ that will wear on big smith's.
Who in the hell is saying a .357 isn't powerful enough?
Mostly hunters
I'm thinking uneducated hunters. I live in a heavily populated black bear area and I feel completely comfortable going inna woods with my .357 loaded with Winchester JHPs
TheScienceFoundation I agree I love my Buffalo Bore 159's JHP and 180's Hard cast, I am working up some nasty hard cast hand loads with 158's, but I feel well armed in new England hiking in the woods at anytime with my S&W 686 357mag
+TheScienceFoundation I was going to post the same status
+Don Wolfberg Good Stuff
357 is my round. i love Buffalo Bore! Nice vid
+Mrdtruck88 Thank you, might like this video on reloading 357 mag.
ua-cam.com/video/fcV_S2WzCPE/v-deo.html
Regarding the question of the shoulder holster, they were marketed by Smith and Wesson back in the eighties but actually manufactured by Gould and Goodrich. Great video!
Mark Donnelly thank you great info.
The 180 grain LFN are hard cast lead, not lead free..
Terminxman:
But he seems so confident. He must be right, eh?
“Lead flat nose”
Beardedcap Big Ed said lead free...yeah!
180 gr lead free you silly boy
Thanks for this
have u tested it on something as thick as grizzly bear for penitration
Hi Ed. Have you purchased any buffalo bore ammo lately? I've read some discussions saying that they are no longer using Speer Gold Dot bullets and are using Montana Gold bullets.
It seems like now that people can buy 454 480s excetera most hunters forget the 357 Magnums past. Great video sir thanks for posting
DrakeKutter 86 I have two 44 mags now, but I love my 357, I feel well protected with 158's and 180's for deer and black bear.
I got some Cor Bon 200 grain 357 magnum for my 4 inch 686 plus. Do u think the 685 plus should hold up well shooting 200 grain ?
+mike34744 I think it will hold up just fine, I would not need it 1,000 rounds though
Big ED where do you find 200 grains?
They might be around, 180's are easy to find.
Cade Steen I found my 200 grain corbon online
Cade Steen www.midwayusa.com/product/2521143704/doubletap-ammunition-357-magnum-200-grain-hard-cast-lead-wide-flat-nose-gas-check-box-of-50
ONE QUESTION? What are you carrying in those speed loader pouches on your right hip????????????
.357's probably 158's jhp.
Do the 125gr loads use a Speer Gold dot bullet? I heard they switched to Montana Gold, which isn't as good. MG aren't bonded.
Good question, I'm not sure, I love buffalo bore ammo and I'm sure all of there bullets are a least good. I don't think it would matter too much, any 125 lead 357 mag bullet will outperform the best 9mm, 40, and 45acp bullet. When I hunt I pay close attention to bullets. I really like the 180 hard cast and the 158 soft nose.
Why would anybody say a 357 is not powerful enough?
Mostly hunters
Because a .357 Magnum is the bear minimum in Alaska. Get it :D
@@twistedtaipan3862 jajajaj I get it! Beary good
Honestly a Glock 17 would stop a bear 6 to 8 rapid shots to the neck head and chest area will make him stop
So does the Buffalo Bore 158 grain actually kick significantly harder than the 180 grain or just slightly? I always thought the 180 grain would have the hardest kick out of all 357 rounds. And have you ever tried Double Tap 200 grain loads?
The 158's kick the hardest, even a little more than the 180's. I have never tried the 200's from double tap. I will look for them. I also have a box of B.B. 9mm +P+ and will have a video up soon.
Big ED After watching this video last week, you persuaded me to order my own 158 BB which came in the mail today. I shot a few of em earlier today and holy hell, they carry the true devastation of a 357...
I went to underwood website @ www.underwoodammo.com/357magnum.aspx and saw how they match BB's 158gr (1475fps 763ft/lb) and 180gr (1400fps 783ft/lb) loads exactly in specs, except you get a higher value in a 50 round box instead of 20 rounds. What do you think? I wonder if they are as high in quality as BB, because I heard that BB are pretty accurate with the stated velocity, and uses high quality Starline brasses (not that i actually care lol)
Giang Ngo I looked at the Underwood website, and according to there numbers they are similar, in power, I have also heard that Underwood is good ammo. It looks like you can also save money buy U.W. vs B.B. Also B.B. uses starline brass witch is AAA+++. I would order some and do a comparison video, but no more mail order ammo in NY, thanx Cuomo.
Big ED I recently ran into some new custom loads online from a group called Littlestone Ammunition. According to the specs, these are 200 grains, hard cast, gas check, are flying out of an 8 inch barrel at 1400fps, 871ft/lb! Anyway, I ordered a box myself and it should be here sometime within the next few days. There is another guy here on UA-cam posting a video reviewing first Littlestone 357 batch also.This is their website by the way
www.littlestonesrus.com/357-Magnum-200-Grain-Cast-Performance-Wide-Long-Nose-Gas-Check-Box-of-50_p_1261.html
PS,
New York is in fact permitted to accept ammunition shipments, but only to an FFL dealer. So feel free to order hot loads and have em ship to your nearest gun stores
Giang Ngo Interesting video the guy shooting says the B.B. kicks harder than the littlestone hummmm...... Also an 8+ barrel will help them get moving also they warn the C.O.L. is longer then 357 mag spec. Cool stuff!
Are you mixing the rounds up by mistake ? Just noticed that some shots have a lot of flash & some don't seem to have any at all in back to back shots.
+rebelwolf72 I'm very careful not mixing them up there coming straight from the box, I have notice other ammo that does that in low light.
the flash is essentially always there, just the camera speed doesn't always pick it up. As he said, he's nkt mixing thr ammo
+ahessent I beleave it's 60 frames per second
125 fps? Didn't know .357 magnum traveled that slow XD jk good video I've been thinking about Buffalo Bore ammunition for a while.
This is exactly what I carry in a shoulder holster, S&W 357 Magnum 686 plus 4" loaded with Buffalo Bore 125gr JHP.
I'm amazed how well a 686 carries, those 125 JHP at 1700 fps kick a$$
Nice vid. Do you think the 180gr loads can kill bear?
+Lance Almekian I would use either 158's or 180's on black bear 200lbs or less, but would feel comfortable in woods for bear protection. A 44 mag for larger than 200 lbs. For Grizz might wanna look at 454, 460 and 500 S&W mags. Polar bears could become extinct cause shrinking ice caps, don't hunt them.
+Big ED What about the 180s out of a 2" Taurus 617? Would I regret that?
+Jim Trouten It's probably gonna hurt alittle, all I would shoot out of any 2" 357 would be 125JHP's it's the best self protection round out there and all that revolver is made for.
+Big ED right on. The owners manual for the Taurus 617 says shoot nothing under 125 grains because lighter, hotter loads will erode the cylinder face. Bizarre enough, 125 grain Hornady Critical Defense has more recoil than 150 grain PMC defense ammo.
I might try it anyway. Sounds crazy I know.
+Jim Trouten Hornady is much better than any PMC, I would expect it to kick harder.
I carry the 180 grain in my gp 100. Not an edc i only carry them while im night fishing off the ky river banks. It gets a little spooky around 2 am and the BB ammo is like a security blanket to me.
I think that's a solid choice.
Big ED thanks for this nice video. Do you know if the 180g load works good in a lever action rifle? Cheers from Calgary
I bet it does its a flatter nose, semi wad cutter. Calgary LI?
Big ED
Thanks ED I want try this ammo in my Rossi M92. (Calgary - AB. Canada)
If you're into hot rounds, Garrett Cartridges makes for big bore stuff (.44 and up) that will rattle your teeth. Some of those are also not approved for S&W N frames.
I will check them out thank you.
Big ed. Love. The. Channel. And the. Review of. The buffalo bore
I've always loved Buffalo bore I'll be ordering more this winter.
@@biged7175 I. Can't. Use. Buffalo bore in my 357
It. Would make my 357. Go boom in the bad sense of the word
I whole hearted agree with you. I carried .357 in the 60s .. 158 standard off the shelf. The Buffalo Bore are definitely terrific round. Hodgdon says max load 125 GR. HDY XTP W296 [ 21.0gr 1,881 fps][ Max 22.0gr 1,966 fps] Hodgdon H110 1.590" 21.0gr 1,881fps Max 22.0gr 1,966 fps 158 GR. HDY XTP W296 15.0gr 1,418 fps Max 16.7gr 1,591 Hodgdon H110 15.0gr 1,418 fps Max 16.7gr 1,591 fps [180 GR. HDY XTP W296 .357" 13.0gr 1,352 fps Max 13.5 gr 1,396 fps Hodgdon H110 .357" 13.0gr 1,352 fps Max 13.5gr 1,396 fps]
Gitfidlpickr great load info I going to load some up with w296 those velocities are amazing.
.357MAG is my personal fav. I have the ruger gp100 6" barrel. It is an awesome gun, very well built, love the full under lug. Only thing I don't like is I have shorter fingers so it's hard for me to cock it with one hand. It is not hip candy, I fire it as much as my budget allows, so I know exactly what a .357MAG can do. Anyone who says it's not powerful enough is an idiot. Even the cheaper less powerful rounds are devastating enough to if not kill you out right, will make you pray to your maker that it did.
The buffalo bore 158's are the hottest 357 I have every shot.
which of these are good for a woods protection against bears?
is recoil of 125 grain jhp in speer gold dot less than in 158 grain speer gold dot?
Check out their outdoorsman 180gr hard cast.
the 180's are NOT "lead free"
I made a mistake "Lead Flat Nose" is correct, I had tons of ammo with tons of uses, I hunt water foul over marshes and have allot of lead free stuff.
I figured that lol. California passsed the new law saying all hunting has to be lead free. Most ridiculous law on the books in America if you ask me....we'll maybe not, but still pretty stupid if you ask me.
no, they are lead free in that they set lead free! If you love the lead, set it free, and let it complete its destiny out in the world! weee! Sorry, I seriously need sleep.
ravissary79 OOOHHH thats just bad LOL cute, now go get that sleep you seem to need it LOL
Sick damn video! Have a few BBore 158 gr .38 +P left The ones I’ve put thru my model 640 felt like 357 So I could only imagine what a .357 mag feels like w the amount of powder they load up w 🤯🤯🤯
Probably feel like a 44
In my opinion .357 is powerful relative to what you're shooting at. It is my favorite and will always be.
I just picked up a Colt Trooper Mark III 4" review will be up in the next few weeks. it could be the only handgun you'll ever need. Keep an eye out for another B.Bore 357 video next Saturday 180's huge power.
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Is lead free printed on his box? What was the point of this? I have opinions too.
I made a mistake there not lead free, some states like CA require all hunting be done with lead free ammo.
@@biged7175 that's cool. Funny kalifornia doesn't want to give lead poisoning to escape critters.
“125 feet per second?”
So what are the energy from the 158 and the 180 grain?
All max loaded .357 mags energy levels are between 750 lbs and 800 lbs.
Big ed. Thanks for the. Review I am going to be Getting the 🐃bore 180 grains for. D fence against 🐻 in the north woods of Wisconsin thank you for. The video
Good call what the revolver you'll be loading them into?
@@biged7175 thanks
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Did he say 125 Feet per second at 2:26
csjackson97 he meant 125 grains
I tested my new (el cheapo) chronograph today. My Rossi 20" M92 shot the 180g at 1800-1900 fps.
Pandataco I measured another one (19D/20 I think), and it matched what they said it would do in a rifle.
From the Buffalo Bore website:
Make special note of the Marlin 1894, 18.5 inch barrel velocities. Item 19C/20, supercedes 30-30 energies!!!
18.5 inch Marlin 1894
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast = 1851 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1860 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 2153 fps---- Can you believe this?!!!
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 2298 fps---- Or this?!!!
Not really 30-30 running at least 1,500-1,800lbs
Big ED Their Buffalo-Barns lead-free 150 gr 30-30 (28B) is rated 2198 fps (1609 ft-lbs) from a 16" barrel. 158 gr at 2153 fps is 1626 ft-lbs.
Their stretching a bit, but they're not outright lying.
Bob Smith damn and 3030 is usually comparable to 44 mag👍
357 lever action is my future first wife
To those who are saying 357 magnum isn't enough, when I was target practicing with 180 grain, 1450 fps buffalo bore at my gun range, the mound behind the target that was taking the bullets had 2 or 3 rocks coming down the hill and a piece of wood sliding down, because of the bullets hitting the surface of the hill below them. Think about that for a second. It was only a 4.2 inch barrel, and I'd take that in the woods with me.
Impressive what kind of .357 revolver?
@@biged7175 Does it make a difference? I only have a Ruger GP100 seven shot 357 magnum revolver. In other words a Ruger model 1771.
@@ShadowCatGambit That's a great revolver and will run any load take a look at at my newest .357 Buffalo bore video.
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The 180 grain is not lead free or made out of tungsten. Lol. LFN-GC is Lead Flat-Nose with a Gas-Check. It's a hardcast lead bullet and, yes, they hit hogs like a freight train!
I have all the differnet 357 Buffalo bore ammo I get mixed up with some of the codes I corrected it with an annotation
Big Ed, so the 185gr hard cast wouldn't stop a black bear?
Yes I hike in the woods with my S&W 686 loaded with 180gr hard cast and feel very safe.
those 125 GR rounds are extremely powerful! I just picked up a 6 inch sw586 revolver, love this gun, and i'm thinking of getting those 125grs for home defense! man, those are nasty loads. I would hate to be on the other side of that revolver. Who would say the .357 magnum isn't powerful enough? I read somewhere that the .357 magnum produces 20 percent more energy than a .44 spl and a .45 long colt.
125 grain are the ultimate defensive round for a 357, Buffalo bore just puts them on steroids. Unless those 44 sp and 45 colt are hand loaded to the Max a 357 will crush any factory loadings.
Hell yeah! I definitely got to get some now! 800 foot pounds of energy, that's approaching .44 magnum levels. 6 rounds of that and 6 rounds of 12 gauge 00 buck would ruin anybody's day!
jake51515 I'm going to do a 357 mag hand load video soon loading some super hot rounds
Thanks a lot, this really helped me make a decision. (ever shot any 'flex tip'? It's basically a rubber tip filling a hollow point..)
I have some Hornady in various calibers.
looking for a good hardcast 158 grain does Buffalo Bore make 158 in the hard cast
I would just check their website.
could you shoot these rounds out of a Smith & Wesson 386XL Scandium Alloy Frame w/ Stainless Steel Cylinder?
***** I would experiment with good factory ammo, also hand loads with full crimps should be fine, I bet you could find a set up that works.
***** Also 125 and 110 grain bullets would help.
can you shoot 180 grain buffalo bore hardcast in ruger gp100 4.2 inch ss model?
yes no problem.
Fun drinking game: take a shot everytime he says "right here/there".
??? I didn't even hear him say it. Your drank too much hateraid today
thought you might be interested to hear that i shot the buffalo bore "Low flash low recoil" 158gr 357 mag out of my bond Arms derringer, 2 1/2" barrel a few times for amusement. it still had really violent recoil. i had fun.
Awsome gun, worth the money, you can probably pick a 586 or 686 up used for $600.00
I'll stick with my Taurus model 66 for $400.
I just got a 6inch 686 6round for 650$ out the door, took the lame giant granny grips off and put on some classic panels and carry it in a cross draw holster.. Texas is getting wild 😜
@@someguy5444 Great carry gun if it goes nuts.
Sounds like the martial arts teacher on Napoleon dynamite
Jonathan you might enjoy this newer .357 buffalo bore video.
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All 3 Rounds can I fire them out of my Henry big boy All Weather repeating Rifle in .357 mag/.38spl ? (20" barrel) I'd like to possibly use these to hunt and home defense in Rifle and my Handgun. Thank you. Blue Skeleton
Yes both 38's and 357's can be fired from your Henry.
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cellent 👌!! Thank you and may God bless. My Henry will be much happy to use these premium rounds. Thanks big Ed. Blue Skeleton
I carry a Ruger LCR 357. People always ask why would have carry such a powerful gun...they say, oh, you need a 9mm or a .380, or a .38 or a .40...I say, I like the .357. One bad thing about my gun is it is so frickin loud, and it kicks pretty hard. I shot it with Buffalo Bore loads once....damn!
Ohhh yes
Not a bad choice but when i carry this 6" 686+ a aways rock 125' or 158's 357's
The only ammo I've been able to find here in Charleston SC is 158 grain made in Russia 🇷🇺 lol. It's powerful. My pistol is a long bore GP 100 stainless steel.
What holster is that?
Chris Horsfall it's a lead free holster. Lol
Led flat nose-gas checked is LFN-GC
Whoever say 357 ain't powerful enough don't need to shoot anything
Only thing heavier that I've seen on the market is Grizzly Cartridge 200gr. Reports on that product page quote 1360 FPS out of a 6-inch S&W 586. But with the heavy bullet you do lose powder capacity and velocity comes down. You may however gain penetration ability terminally. Velocity isn't everything.
I bought a box of those need to test them out.
@@biged7175 I noticed they recently just went back into availability.
@@exothermal.sprocket Yes, I picked up .357 and 10mm.
They're LFN which stands for lead flat nose.
Bama Prepper I know, I beleave I corrected it.
Anybody who thinks a 357 Magnum isn't powerful enough needed to take a break from firearms.
I won't argue that with good shot placement these rounds can take deer, but they certainly will not do the job as efficiently as a .44 mag or .45 colt. To put it in numbers:
.358 x 158g x 1475fps = Taylor Knock Out of 11
.43 x 240g x 1250fps = Taylor Knock Out of 18
.452 x 240g x 1250fps = Taylor Knock Out of 19
And these .44 mag and .45 colt loads are conservative, nowhere near their maximum pressures. My question is why push you gun's tolerances to their limits when you can kill the animal easier, and have more versatility with a better suited caliber?
That's a fine point, if you only have a 357 its adequate for deer
That is not true, the formula is designed to give you a ballpark of the cartridge's effectiveness on big game, hence why John Linebaugh uses it for his heavy revolver loads.
Joseph Kool The taylor knockout can be used for both hand guns and rifles, the only difference between a 45-70 vs 45 colt is velocity they will shoot the same bullets. Also I have $800 wrapped up in a S&W 686 I hard to wrap up another $900+ in a S&W 629 some day I will.
Big ED close, but not quite. The 45-70 shoots .458 bullets, but the .45 colt, acp, 454 and 460 all shoot the .452 (or .454 in lead). The difference is seemingly negligible, but at the higher ends it is the difference between damaging your gun, or not engaging the rifling as effectively.
You can use a swaging press to make .452s into .458s or visa versa, but it's not just a simple thing.
I ment as far a shooting the bullets, not reloading them, its like 9mm (.355) and 357 mag, there pretty much the same bullet jus the 357 is moving a lot faster and yes I reload them both and don't mix them up.
Thanks for the video.
Your welcome.
I like your range! love shootin' those too. Thanks for the vid
+MPGunther1 No problem, thank you.
Those 180 grain lead free rounds are made completely of lead lmao
Thank you for the information sir! I have a 686 SW as well, I like it very much. I have a video of it on my profile if you are up for a good laugh.
+Jack Grubb Good stuff
Jack Grubb never laugh at a bad ass 686 bro
If my 686 was the last hand gun I had to take with me to the end of the world I would not have a problem with that.
Arco Cola I have a 4" 686
this guy is a hot mess...not sure if he's nervous or what but 125 fps?
I’ve actually never heard a single person say .357 isn’t powerful enough
They should sell it as freeman's favorite.
Nice vid...thanks!
No problem, i will keep them coming!
My Ruger gp 100 with 6inch barrel loves the 158g.
Same with my S&W
I thought BB said don't use their ammo in a 686?
BB does not want there max 44 mags shot out of S&W 29s ext..
I never not once in my life heard that .357 magnum doesn't hit hard enough. Maybe if we're talking bear
LoL
LFN is lead flat nose. Any advice you would give pertaining to firearms has just gone out the window.
Tomorrow I test the 180 grain Corbon in my 3 inch S&W model 60
Good stuff.
Nice way to damage your excellent gun
If you just fire a few it would hurt a 357 revolver, I have never seen a warning form S&W or and ammo manufacturer for a 357, 44mag on the other hand another story.
1DrMAL smith and Wesson told me the 124 grain would cause more wear over time then a heavier grain because of the burn from the powder.
Your talking about 10,000's of rounds.
Strictly Big Bore - Strictly Business.
not next level, the level it used to be...
But not all 357 magnums are rated for buffalo bore. Some manufacturers even say it can break their guns.
Yes I agree.
Who says that the 357 mag is not powerful enough? Those people are crazy.
Tell me I come across the from time to time.
@@biged7175 Thank you for responding.
He tossed back a couple cold ones before this vid.
Sounds like a city boy ...
James Kenomis:
Clemson fraternity boy.
BB 125 gr best 357 round on earth. I have S&W 60-15 3" and 158 grain is max recommended weight to avoid damage.
A great argument can be made for BB 125 JHP being the #1 357 round.
@@biged7175 so would 158gr be ok for home defense?
@@infamousnova yes just make sure there JHP
Big Ed....can you do a video on the new B.B. 357 max. 899fe
I'm just looking at that on there website, that's nuts. The problem is I can't order that stuff and for delivery in NY, I'm not sure my local stores will carry it. Can you get a box I will definitely run it threw my 686 over the Chrono.
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Mr Julius. You miss the mark completely. My M1a1 tank in the Army had a Taylor KO of 9000000. There's always something bigger. I guess with your thought process bow hunting wouldn't take anything down. Huge calibers only compensate for poor shot placement. If I shoot a white tail in the right rear leg with a 300 Komatsu excavator it will die. If I shoot the same spot with a .22 it won't. Just enjoy the damn video.
Thank you, I have buddies that go out west and hunt 500+lbs elk with bows I think there nuts but they get them.
Big ED 500 lb elk, what are they shooting the cows or the babies, good average size bulls go right at 800 pounds on the hoof as an average weight, I know very well, I live out west as you call it, in the awesome state of Idaho, and litterly right out my back door is the largest expanse of no roads wilderness left in the lower 48 states (the selway bitteroot, frank church, gospel hump wilderness and what around here we call the Idaho primitive area ) you can quite litterly walk in a strait line, or as the crow flys, and travel no less than 75 miles, and never see a road, anything that resembles civilization, or for that matter most likely never see another human being, in terrain that can range from 800 feet above sea level to nearly 12,000 foot granite topped mountains, I've hunted this place for nearly 40 years with everything from old time long bow, recurve, and compound bow, muzzle loader, rifle, and handgun, and have taken quite a few Elk and bear with all those various weapons at one time or another, and while the 357 will do it (and I do have a fondness for the 357) it is by no means my choice to go starting a fight with those large and tough animals, you can't appreciate how large those Elk and larger bears like a grizzly (quite common in the places I travel) are, and how tough they can be to stop, or even make a good shot on until you try it in that type of terrain, trust me you will come to want substatially more horse power, for me that equates to a 5 inch 454 raging bull, by the way a well placed razor sharp broadhead is a very effective killer, so long as it's well placed, just not against bear due to bleed out time required to make the kill, but I have hunted and killed 2 very large black bear with a old time long bow from a tree stand over bait (the most common way in this area) both where less than 20 yard shots, neither bear went very far at all with one well placed arrow. take care
Mr.SigDan,it's just the opposite. Large calibers do not make up for poor shot placement. Shooting a bear in the leg with a .375 H&R mag isn't going to do any better than a 30-06 to the leg.
A word to the wise, don't trust printed velocities on ammo boxes
There usually pretty close if anything there a tad high.
“Some people say .357 magnum isn’t powerful enough” ...Who the fuck says that?
Ha, hey Big Ed, the LFN means Lead Flat Nose. It is a hard cast lead bullet. Who tells you that they are lead free bullets?
Can reload these much,much cheaper and better components...but good video anyway...Smith 686 +1 best revolver in world...!!
LFN-GC is lead flat nose gas checked
Thank you.
I can attest I just shot a doe with the 158 grain and she dropped dead in her tracks instantly fell well well worth the money
I don't doubt a bit, what revolver were you using?
If you think B.B is hot out of a revolver. you should try chronying that stuff out of a carbine. It'll blow your mind.
Douglas McNeil Funny you say that I'm looking at a Henry in 44 mag......
Buy it you'll never regret it. Great cartridge in a great gun. But you have to make videos about it so we can have fun vicariously to. :)
I would not try a 180gr bullet at 1400fps in my 686. :/
I think it's fine, there making a 44 Mag on the L frame now......
"I would love to go hog hunting with some of these 180 grains."
No you wouldn't because you would get a tusk in the nutsack lol.
TwisTed Taipan , 44mag, HSM 300 gr hard cast enough ?
Try a 375 H&H magnum
lead flat nose gas check
Thank you
If you want to really blow you mind, try that same ammo from a carbine length barrel.
+Dorene Cristler I'm looking at a henry in 44 mag
You'll love it "made in America or not at all". Henry's may be a little heavy, but hot loads out of my Rossi 44 hit the shoulder a little hard. I think Henry's weight would probably tame that quite a bit.
+Dorene Cristler I'm a fan of there octagon barrel, yes they are heavy.
When I put the BB 180 gr ammo in my 4inch Ruger GP100 I call it artillery!
+Sean Smith Good stuff, I thin the !58's might have just a touch more punch.
how the other half lives... cannot afford that glorious stuff if I want stiff load I'ma have to pack my own lol
Watch my video on reloading .357 Mags
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People protected themselves against grizzlies and everything else with cap and ball pistols for centuries. Anyone that sagas the 357 magnum isn’t powerful enough is either ignorant or just needing to justify another gun purchase.
Are you on an elephant expedition?
No I only take my .44 mags out for elephants Lol
Someone i know shot a home intruder with a .357 mangum 125 grain hollow point and he ended his life): I was convinced and bought me a gp100 4 inch barrel and i keep mine loaded with 158 grain HP from horandy! I am hoping never to use it! I shot a round of that stuff and it's mean!
Any home intruder runs into any home own with a 357 and I don't care what its loaded with, lights out.
Big ED ---unfortunately I'm running some Lehigh extreme penetrators in my ruger sp101, but I need to balance out the chaos & order some buffalo bore. I like those flat lead looking ones, the last of the three you shot. Dirty south style. Thanks for the heads up on ammo
No problem you might want to start handloading some bad a$$ 357's
back in the 60's we carried exactly that but we loaded this way: 158 gr lead, 158 grain ball, AP (they had an AP round back ten) .. the AP is not good for use in a building (goes through too much) .. actually the JHP is better for the average use. Be aware though that part of what makes a 357 so remarkable is the large variety of projectiles that can be used [look at Lehigh, Hornady and several other bullet types .. for variety of performance applications] PLUS loading data for that weight and caliber. Buffalo Bore is great if you do not reload .. it is a well made round (for being out in the woods.. I saw three cougar walking from Campo to Warner Springs on PCT).. they were not interested in me but they could have been.
Go check out my 357 and 44 Mag reloading vids you will enjoy them.
I sure would not shoot the bears soda , he would get pissed off
Best ammo
I am going to have to order some of this ammunition for whitetails here in upstate PA. I have a Ruger GP100 SS 6" and from what I have read they are made to handle a steady diet of hot magnum rounds. I practice with just cheaper Federal 158 jsp rounds and they are very easy to shoot out of the GP...You could shoot them all day one handed with that Ruger...Well made revolver for sure being 45 oz. and hogue grips..I'm sure it will not be to bad with something in the 700 ft. lb. category which is what I want for deer...I feel plenty safe with that combo to take one in the 75yd. range and with a good shot placement drop it quickly...I'm thinking actually of trying a round that uses a Barnes copper bullet also. I tried them this year for the heck of it out of my varmint rifle...A Rem 700 in 223 with a 24" barrel with just a timney trigger and a good Nikon scope....those little 55gr vor tx barnes went clear thru fully expanded and left no fragments behind. Mine was a mature 200lb 8 pt at 150yds. My son had to try it and the next day got his buck at over 200yds with that same load...same thing,,straight through, full expansion, no fragmentation and a quick kill. It sure made a believer out of me....We usually use our 7mm rifles for deer....sure did surprise my hunting party...so I have full confidence in the .357 with a well placed shot with a good deep penetrating bullet that expands will work just fine within under 100yds out of my handgun...I gotta do it at least once...who knows I might like it so much that I will put my bow and rifle away....hahaha..thanks for the review of BB ammo...I see they load some Barnes as well......hmmm.
I love hunting deer with .223 its a little light but so accurate and easy to shoot you can put the bullet anywhere you want up to 300 yards, so with good bullet choice its a great option. If you comfortable taking a 75 yards revolver shot go for it (I would not) my max might be 35-40 yards with irons. But I think and soft nose 158gr or heavier bullet will be fine for deer coming out of a 357. I think 7mm rem mag is over kill for deer, stick with .223 or 357. Great comment.
I should of added my 7mm aren't Rem mags. They are 7mm-08 short action cartridges. Mine is a Rem 700 BDL, my sons is a Rem Model 7 in 7mm-08. I love that round and I especially like my sons Model 7 chambered in that caliber. It has a true short action receiver and is a stainless steel barrel. Great cartridge with low recoil and plenty of range...I used to own a 7 rem mag years ago but got away from the big Magnum rifles years ago...I feel perfectly at ease using 7mm-08 rounds...They are just necked down .308's. I use 139gr Hornaday SST rounds in those rifles...No issues with being enough gun anywhere on my property...My old revolver was a Smith 686 7 shot .357 mag...I had it drilled and tapped and put a Bushnell TRS 25 dot scope on it...It was scary accurate out past 100yds...I feel safe with irons shooting out to 75yds. at the most....More than likely keep it at bow range....Something I would love to see our state of PA. do is open handgun hunting along with archery hunting so I can hunt the rut...i'm not talking single shot pistols that shoot rifle cartridges....Just plain old revolvers...
Stu650Zuk Another great comment, I also really like 7mm-08 and wanted to do my Remote 700 build with that instead of .308 but the bullet selection for hand loading long range stuff is not good so I stuck with .308, that scope on that 686 must be wicked, I also have a ruger super Redhawks 44mag 7.5" I just have a hard time putting a scope on a good looking revolver. I've also got my eye on a brass Henry octagon 44 mag, it will stay with irons. lol
That is the truth about adding optics to an expensive great looking revolver. I hated the thought of having it drilled and tapped but did it anyhow. Those Bushnell TRS-25 red dot sights are surprisingly a very good red dot for the money. It was small and fit the gun very nicely. The dot size was only 2 or 3 moa also..It was very accurate and never lost it's zero. I'm not going to drill and tap my new GP100 though. It shoots very well without any type of optic..I also want it to stay looking the way it does. I did order the Ruger red ramp front sight for it though..never had a revolver that was so easy to change a front sight with. I have my eye on a S&W 629 performance center 44 mag as my next revolver purchase..It comes with a rail already onto it to mount either a red dot or a regular type scope..and its in 44 mag! imo its all the handgun anyone really needs...one good hit with my 357 does way more damage than a bunch of misses from a .454 casull.
Stu650Zuk I had a ar15 300blk and traded it, I miss the eotech red dot that thing was awesome, I'm toying around the idea of a glock 10mm with a red dot or a new saw m&p 2.0 with a red dot, I'm also looking at a saw performance center 629 7.5" 44mag on buds for $1,030.00 well worth it with great resale and investment quality.
ever try underwood?
I have not seen it for sale heard of it though. I'm reloading all my 357 now.
Hard cast LFN-GC is not lead-free it's all lead. It stands for Lead Flat Nose (referring to the flat tip of the bullet) with a gas check. and is definitely not tungsten.
should have checked comments first should have known others would jump on that lol
Brian1987 thank you
I love the video man. Good Stuff. But in the beginning you said that alot of people have said that .357 mag is not powerful enough....Who the hell has ever said that??
I winter up in Vermont and there's hunting guys up there that give the 357 slack as a hunting caliber on anything larger than 150lbs deer. I think they under estimate a .357 158 gr HP Buffalo Bore!
exactly! .357 is the most wicked carry gun.
silverexplosion
1,700 FPS 125G JHP thats what i'm talking about!
Big ED I loved the 180 BB lead flat nose hard cast that I shot through my 686 four incher. Do you feel that shooting real hot ammo like BB or double tap 200gr can damage a 686?? I have heard/read that the Smiths can't handle the hotter loads, although I think they are referring to a 44 mag, not a .357. My 686 kicked hard, hurt my palm a bit but seemed to handle the 180's fine. Curious as to when I get the double tap 200grains tho....1200 fps, something like close to 600 foot pounds, maybe a little more I forget.
aran125 I think the BB 158's are the hottest, because it a good balance of powder capacity in the case and bullet weight, the 180's and defiantly the 200's I think you might lose energy do to lack of room for powder due to bullet seating so deep. Smith 357's are fine with hotter loads, its when you step up to 44 mags BB +P+ that will wear on big smith's.
Their packaging is a joke though lol
+Bryan Allison They should cut it back and just use what everyone else uses.
Bryan Allison they do have new packaging now
They charge 3 times as much for shipping as does Underwood which is better Ammo
My grandpa is the owner of buffalo bore my mom is diana sundles my grandpa is tim sundles my dad is William ohler
Im very envious, that's very cool I really love Buffalo bores products, if they send me some I'll review it.
Who’s out there saying a .357 isn’t strong enough lol