Before watching this video I was trying to achieve the same result by using third part plugins and now that I measured how the JS band splitter works on the Berton Curve Analyzer I know that this is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks Kenny, thanks Reaper
@@stizan9185 thank you for your question, yes if you duplicate the bass track (like the video) using an EQ would be more straightforward. I use the band splitter to process the signal within the same fx-chain
@@EnricoCupellini I was wondering if phasing relations would be different but I just did a test today and I'm blown away. I routed a loop to 3 other tracks low/mid/high and used Fabfilter Q3 Linear Phase to split frequencies, then I put them in a folder and inverted the phase of it while playing original loop, the result was some sound still leaking at low volume which means it still changed the phase, but when I used spltiter method and inverted phase the sound is completely canceled. Edit: I found a solution to have same result with Fabfilter pro Q in Linear phase mode aswell but you have to know a trick, its on youtube: "Dan Worall What Type Of EQ Should I Use?" from min 9 onwards if anyone reads this and is interested. This is not as ideal as the splitter tho because wjhen I check Performance Meter, Linear phase mode in Pro Q3 adds 3076 latency(PDC) in
Didn’t know about the JS band splitter. Been isolating frequency ranges to process bass using reaEQ. Looking fwd to trying this. Thanks!
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2 bands bass split is nice trick I use in all my mixes to combine massive low-end (under control) and a tone with attitude in the mids & highs. (I tend to keep low-end dry, except for compression, and send the rest through an amp simulation plugin.) But I do this with sends on separate tracks with 3rd party plugin filters with linear phase or natural phase param to avoid too much comb filtering effects.
Interesting dynamic adjustment(s). And again - learned something new to apply and experiment within my projects. As the children of today say "this video slaps" as do all your presentations Kenny. This is a good👋to the face 😉
Excellent, Mr. Gioia~! Just as I'm really needing to get a handle on processing Bass, too. One question: Where would you put ReaComp in the Efx Chain for sidechaining Kick to Sub Bass? Unless I missed where you mentioned it?
I'd keep both bass tracks in a folder and then send the sidechained kick to the folder. If you're only looking for the kick transient to poke through you could skip the folder idea and send the sidechained kick to the high passed bass track.
Why not create the second track using routing instead of duplicating? This has a couple of advantages. Any editing/overdubs on the bass do not need to be done twice, or require re-duplicating. And by using a post-fader send, you could have a single fader to control both high and low. And still have the second fader for blending in the high end. Once that is good, you can keep the ratio of the 2 parts the same as you adjust (or automate) the original track with 1 fader.
By duplicating the tracks you avoid the need to use the 3 band joinner and the extra plugin routing for each band? Although it gives more control to mix both signals and one can render them later into a single audio item with one of Archie's scripts, awesome man!
I have seen Warren Huart do this trick as well. But why use the splitter when you can just use a hi pass eq on one track and a low pass eq on the other track set at the same frequency? Basically the same thing. Also is that anti-aliasing that i hear on the distortion/fuzz with the swooshing?
I thought he was using the splitter to keep all the processing on one track. Perhaps the crossover has a steeper Q, but I'd need to test that with some pink noise or something
@@TheNewFlesh The splitter has nothing to do with where the processing is. You still have two tracks. One track is hi-pass and the other track is low-pass. You can still process each track differently regardless. Using the split tool limits you to what ever the db down reference is between the frequencies, whereas with EQ's you can change that how ever you like.
@@Mikahaan I think you can make steeper crossovers using more bands. Otherwise there is a plethora of great sounding free eq plugins that you can use to do it like the Reeq that someone made for Reaper which is a JS plugin.
Cool video man. A question, in case of using a AMP simulation (like a gk plugin) or a processing like CLA bass, what is the better "sequence" for them fit in this kind os split? Should it be in a channel apart (send/return) or in the master channel after the individual processing that you explained above?
Hi Kenny. Thanks so much for your most excellent tutorials. The JS 3 way splitter features 24db/Oct filtering. It's not a "brick wall" splitter. I'm not sure that 24db/Oct is enough for this process. Is there any way to make the splitter slope steeper? For bass treatment I'm thinking you might want to use at least a 48db/Oct splitter. Just my 2 cents. Thanks again. Cheers.
Btw this is a unrelated question for this video but on your gain riding (vocal) tutorial, when changing the Automation Item from the Loudness plugin to the tracks volume envelope you change the automation item baseline (in the item properties box) the only thing is that I don't see that baseline line in the volume envelope, so I can't manage to reproduce the final step properly as I can't see how far should I scale the baseline point, is there any configuration setting Im missing for the automation envelopes? Did you know what could be the cause for that? On the other hand of the main issues I've found is that when writing the automation the overall volume is really down, way too quiet and when trying to level it up on the volume lane it also sou ds lower even with the baseline parameter at 100, are this relate to my first question? Is there any solution for this? Thanks in advance man.
This is a great concept for mixing bass (I do it literally every single time I mix), but to any newbies just learning this, the Reaper distortion plugins are abysmal for it. Get Soundtoys or something.
I will have to try this. I have been triple tracking BASS guitar. I keep one low, one normal, and one with distortion. I then blend the 3. The distortion I feel gives my bass an in the room amp sound.
Try it! It might sound way too out there or it could be really cool, I’ve heard some really cool mixes with the bass panned even tho it’s not typical at all
Tried this straight away on a rather plodding song and immediately got a much brighter bass presence in the mix. Thanks again Kenny!
Me too, its awesome how clear, still full of body, the bass sounds, even with huge amounts of distorsion.
Before watching this video I was trying to achieve the same result by using third part plugins and now that I measured how the JS band splitter works on the Berton Curve Analyzer I know that this is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks Kenny, thanks Reaper
Why use the splitter instead of an EQ?
@@stizan9185 thank you for your question, yes if you duplicate the bass track (like the video) using an EQ would be more straightforward. I use the band splitter to process the signal within the same fx-chain
@@EnricoCupellini I was wondering if phasing relations would be different but I just did a test today and I'm blown away. I routed a loop to 3 other tracks low/mid/high and used Fabfilter Q3 Linear Phase to split frequencies, then I put them in a folder and inverted the phase of it while playing original loop, the result was some sound still leaking at low volume which means it still changed the phase, but when I used spltiter method and inverted phase the sound is completely canceled.
Edit: I found a solution to have same result with Fabfilter pro Q in Linear phase mode aswell but you have to know a trick, its on youtube: "Dan Worall What Type Of EQ Should I Use?" from min 9 onwards if anyone reads this and is interested. This is not as ideal as the splitter tho because wjhen I check Performance Meter, Linear phase mode in Pro Q3 adds 3076 latency(PDC) in
Extra points to Kenny for crediting the music in his videos.
And yet another JS plugin that I'd overlooked, thanks Kenny. 😀😀
Thanks! I was just looking at NDSP Parallax but thought it could be achieved in REAPER using multiple tracks, thanks! Timing is crazy lol
Didn’t know about the JS band splitter. Been isolating frequency ranges to process bass using reaEQ. Looking fwd to trying this. Thanks!
2 bands bass split is nice trick I use in all my mixes to combine massive low-end (under control) and a tone with attitude in the mids & highs. (I tend to keep low-end dry, except for compression, and send the rest through an amp simulation plugin.)
But I do this with sends on separate tracks with 3rd party plugin filters with linear phase or natural phase param to avoid too much comb filtering effects.
I always learn something from your videos Kenny!
And I love that you use the Reaper plug-ins because you know I have it !!!
Interesting dynamic adjustment(s). And again - learned something new to apply and experiment within my projects. As the children of today say "this video slaps" as do all your presentations Kenny. This is a good👋to the face 😉
gotta love these js plugins, these ones do the job, I had no idea
Brilliant! Thanks, Kenny.
Excellent video.
Super, thanks Kenny!
Oh to control the bass! This will help loads - thank you, Kenny! 👍👍👍
Absolutely Excellent! Happy Easter Kenny May The Good Lord Bless and Keep You.
Wounderful tip!! So good!
Excellent, Mr. Gioia~! Just as I'm really needing to get a handle on processing Bass, too. One question: Where would you put ReaComp in the Efx Chain for sidechaining Kick to Sub Bass? Unless I missed where you mentioned it?
I'd keep both bass tracks in a folder and then send the sidechained kick to the folder. If you're only looking for the kick transient to poke through you could skip the folder idea and send the sidechained kick to the high passed bass track.
Why not create the second track using routing instead of duplicating? This has a couple of advantages. Any editing/overdubs on the bass do not need to be done twice, or require re-duplicating. And by using a post-fader send, you could have a single fader to control both high and low. And still have the second fader for blending in the high end. Once that is good, you can keep the ratio of the 2 parts the same as you adjust (or automate) the original track with 1 fader.
Yes, is a reptilean protools habit. I prefer routing, the pc doesnt need to read two buffers.
By duplicating the tracks you avoid the need to use the 3 band joinner and the extra plugin routing for each band?
Although it gives more control to mix both signals and one can render them later into a single audio item with one of Archie's scripts, awesome man!
Correct. No joiner neeeded.
@@REAPERManiaThank you very much man!
Cool video & cool tune too 👍👍
I learned something I can use!
I have seen Warren Huart do this trick as well. But why use the splitter when you can just use a hi pass eq on one track and a low pass eq on the other track set at the same frequency? Basically the same thing. Also is that anti-aliasing that i hear on the distortion/fuzz with the swooshing?
I thought he was using the splitter to keep all the processing on one track. Perhaps the crossover has a steeper Q, but I'd need to test that with some pink noise or something
@@TheNewFlesh The splitter has nothing to do with where the processing is. You still have two tracks. One track is hi-pass and the other track is low-pass. You can still process each track differently regardless. Using the split tool limits you to what ever the db down reference is between the frequencies, whereas with EQ's you can change that how ever you like.
@@TheNewFlesh I've tested. The JS 3 Way splitter uses 24db/Oct filters. Would be super nice to be able to select steeper curves.
I tried using high and lo pass on this track and thought the splitter sounded better. At least for this bass.
@@Mikahaan I think you can make steeper crossovers using more bands. Otherwise there is a plethora of great sounding free eq plugins that you can use to do it like the Reeq that someone made for Reaper which is a JS plugin.
Why use the splitter instead of just duplicating the track and eq-ing?
They do sound a bit different but it is the same concept so try both and use what you prefer.
Cool video man. A question, in case of using a AMP simulation (like a gk plugin) or a processing like CLA bass, what is the better "sequence" for them fit in this kind os split? Should it be in a channel apart (send/return) or in the master channel after the individual processing that you explained above?
Is Reaper real or just an illusion? Thanks again Kenny!
Great stuff! Thanks.
Why does the splitter say [LOSER]?
It's the name of the creator.
Hi Kenny. Thanks so much for your most excellent tutorials. The JS 3 way splitter features 24db/Oct filtering. It's not a "brick wall" splitter. I'm not sure that 24db/Oct is enough for this process. Is there any way to make the splitter slope steeper? For bass treatment I'm thinking you might want to use at least a 48db/Oct splitter. Just my 2 cents. Thanks again. Cheers.
I guess if you can find an EQ plugin with that slope.
The JS plugin ReEq has steeper slopes (up to 96db/Oct if I remember correctly)
@@lorenzo_villa Up to 120, actually~!
@Mika Haan Wouldn't the plugin pin connector make it brickwall if done the way Kenny shows it?
@@KevinWayne No. The curve is 24db/oct.
Btw this is a unrelated question for this video but on your gain riding (vocal) tutorial, when changing the Automation Item from the Loudness plugin to the tracks volume envelope you change the automation item baseline (in the item properties box) the only thing is that I don't see that baseline line in the volume envelope, so I can't manage to reproduce the final step properly as I can't see how far should I scale the baseline point, is there any configuration setting Im missing for the automation envelopes? Did you know what could be the cause for that?
On the other hand of the main issues I've found is that when writing the automation the overall volume is really down, way too quiet and when trying to level it up on the volume lane it also sou ds lower even with the baseline parameter at 100, are this relate to my first question? Is there any solution for this?
Thanks in advance man.
Dude...that Slap lol
Thanks, I'm going to try it on my song! 👍👍👍😎
Can I use the FFT Splitter instead? What's the difference?
This is a great concept for mixing bass (I do it literally every single time I mix), but to any newbies just learning this, the Reaper distortion plugins are abysmal for it. Get Soundtoys or something.
I will have to try this. I have been triple tracking BASS guitar. I keep one low, one normal, and one with distortion. I then blend the 3. The distortion I feel gives my bass an in the room amp sound.
I like how the bass sounds, could you pan them left and right, or would that be offensive? I loved the drum sounds in the background very unique.
Try it! It might sound way too out there or it could be really cool, I’ve heard some really cool mixes with the bass panned even tho it’s not typical at all
Not a fan of panning bass. It rarely sounds good in mono.
Prior to splitting, had this bass already received any compression during the initial recording?
this is so cool
is the xover slope adjustable...that would be cool too!
Thnx Kenny 🎼😉
How do you set up a USB microphone in reaper?
go to preferences, audio, device, then look for it in the drop down menu
its sad that you didn't show the channels routing and simply duplicated the track
👍👍👏👏
Studio One does that way more elegantly.
Your video has no audio man
The audio works for me. I think it is your system.
@@electricwhiterabbit Asio4all drivers strike again 🙂
Oh fck my bad it was my device
Absolutely Excellent! Happy Easter Kenny May The Good Lord Bless and Keep You.