Will 37” Tires Fit on Cybertruck? Tesla Cybertruck Dissection & Inspection Continues! - Part 4
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The question isn't, Can you fit 37"s? Its HOW can you fit 37"s?
Touché!
Great video. But i would be more interested to know if we can go down in wheel size (from 20") and keep the same size 35" tires. Having more sidewall is better for offroading.
Finally someone get it
Great point, but the available torque may make that a problem without specific testing and/or design.
Yes good question. Should have mentioned. 20” is the smallest that will clear the brakes.
Teslas period are not dependable, or long term. People that make the world go around cannot use these vehicles we don’t have the time. This video is a view bait nothing burger.
and the DLC needs to be purchased as well as spending 500,000 in-game coin on the upgrade. uggh.
What is the big deal about cutting off the ball joint stud off below the nut?. Then use a smaller spacer which will reduce fender well interference.
it would hit the nut, not the bolt. you also need at least 3 threads sticking out, so either way it wouldn't work. youd need modified uprights to avoid this, but even then you're gonna have to clearance the front so you don't rub when turning. imo 37s isn't a reasonable upgrade, you already have more ground clearance than any ICE truck since there isn't a diff sticking out.
The fender interference doesn’t improve enough. But you could cut the ball joint stud. The tire sidewall will hit the upright - still needs spaced out.
@@TSportline The fender interference will improve with more positive offset. Note that the outside of the tire is what's hitting, move it in. Also moving the wheel out that far can't be good for the bearings. That stud is only needed for assembly. Just replace the ball joint if you ever have to disassemble in the future. Full compression is usually where you see the worst rubbing so unless you're making a mall crawler you'll need to check that too.
Excellent. Thank you for focusing on this.
You’re welcome
Great series! Would it mitigate/ decrease rubbing w/37x11.5 r20? Could 11.5 use a thinner spacer? Any benefit to clearance the stud?
Your videos are super helpful. It's a bummer that we can't put bigger tires easily
Glad you like them!
Can you do the same demo for the rear tires?
I would just super heat up that fender plastic, over inflate the tire. and then turn the wheel to press into it.
I was thinking the same thing, but worried it could mess with the cameras/sensors/whatever is on the other side of the plastic. Worth a shot if someone doesn't mind potentially trashing their brand new Cybertruck.
Smaller wheels would work too, but the rim has to be 20" to clear the brakes. I wonder if other Tesla models brakes would link up.
Making it tricky to mod bigger tires opens up possibility for Tesla to release an off-road model too.
Is there any issues with the rear wheel steering rubbing?
Awesome info Gents!!. 🤘🏻😎. I’d drop down to either a 17” or an 18” rim on either a 35” or 37” tire (more tire less rim) 🤔. Plz make the Cybersteelies available in those diameters as the CT ramps up, there should be a market for those sizes.🤔.
@@TSportline is the brake average size for a truck would you say?
Most new trucks fit 17"-18" @@a-don13
You can fit smaller brakes. Ev's don't need brakes unless the driver is an idiot
@@macbook802yeah MacBook you just proved you are the idiot.
Putting smaller brakes on a 3 ton vehicle is probably a bad idea. Regen braking takes care of gentle stops, but when you really need to stop fast and hard, you need good brakes.
In a lot of countries it's not allowed to have your tires wider then the fenders. So you would have to adjust the width of your fenders too.
Yes, depends on location. In the USA, it's legal.
Only in loser countries…not in the USA…’Merica!
@@thehonesttruth8808 I didn't know trumptards could read...
@@TSportlinelol! It’s actually not legal in most states and it’s fucking rude and irresponsible because it tosses rocks at people behind you.
@jagpilotohio true! But cops cant pull you over for it in most states. They can slap you with a ticket as a secondary offense though! If you put on mudguards, even if they arent super functional, it covers the legality.
You guys should make a rim that uses the standard wheel from tesla and use the shape of the wheel to make look more futuristic rims, the rims that you’re using right now remind me DODGE FROM THE 2004 like the neon srt-4
Tires wider than the fenders look cool, but in reality they will constantly sling mud and dirt onto the side of your vehicle (and vehicles behind you). Since the CT has no paint this isn't much an issue for the truck itself of course.
I like the constant look of a clean mud splatter truck though
All part of it!
Are the tirods large enough to handle a 37 under real use?
Give it to Matts Off Road and they will make space. Or better even to Fabrats, they will love to cut the wheel well and mod the upper control arm.
People trim off that part sticking out the upper ball joint . Same issue if you want bigger wheels on a Challenger or Charger. Just take a cut off wheel to it. It's just there to make it easier to remove or install the ball joint.
Doable. Still, the sidewall runs into the upright…needs spaced out either way 👍🏻
@@TSportline Yes that's definitely a issue for that. I wanna see bigger rims with smaller tires .
imagine running 37s in a Toyota/Lexus 4runner/GX :) lots of chopping and hammering! along with relocating a few things like body mount/washer... oh and dont forget we gotta upgrade diffs.
Soon conversion kits of ALL kinds will be out.
Will need to replace the inner fender well and move some brackets and bumper out.
So how does this affect the speedometer and the range?
Can you add a ball valve on the air line to the air springs to lock them into extract mode?
interesting - but the other / better way is to adjust the height sensor arms to fake the position reading....but this causes dynamics issues.
Any follow up on getting eyes on the air compressor? Seems the unit is woefully inadequate for the job and takes 1+ minute to change height, and was discoruaged by how often it overheated. Would love to be able to swap it with a proper ARB Twin-style unit like I have in my Jeep.@@TSportline
For people that don’t do a lot of offroading and prefer to max out range, what do you recommend?
Buy a Model Y instead then.
Stick with the stock tires, or upcoming Pirelli all season tires
What is the smallest wheel you can fit around those brakes?
20”.
Dear God have mercy
@@TSportline 20" wheel is the minimum... That's a huge miss... Not a real truck in my mind.
@@kurtklimisch7498 @KeithStarr @TSportline That's false. You can fit a 18inch wheel
I'm more interested in seeing if you can put some 19-in wheels with 35s. Maybe that will look better than trying to fit a 37 and doing lots of cutting
I wonder if the steer by wire system accounts for different tire sizes.
Why would steering care what tire size you have?
@@xxZerosumxx Resistance relative to wheel offset, aka; spacers.
Changing the tire O.D. is never a great idea, but on a 1000hp vehicle with electric motors and adjustible suspension, it might be dangerous. It also might void the warranty, especially if you go cutting threaded connection studs, etc. Plus, what about all the calculations for speed, torque vectoring and other calibrations? Aren't they more important given the complexity of Tesla computer systems and software?
Oh stop it! Your making way to much sense. 😁😁
6% change in diameter. If that grenades a car than it will be a widespread problem
The Cybertruck should have been designed from the beginning to work with 37" tires
Probably but doesn't matter for offroad/non-road legal use.
I changed my model 3 performance with a staggered setup of different widths diameters, and it was perfect.
if you install a aftermarket bumper and fenders, will that help?? This is something I plan to do and I know a lift will not be the only way to accomplish this upgrade.
Yes, you need to space the wheel out, remove inner fender liner and the front bumper / lower bumper needs moved forward.
@@TSportline will tsportline be doing something that can be bought for this or will it be more fabrication rather than aftermarket parts?
37s are friggen huge! 😄
I wonder how range is affected. They look awesome.
Range will drop for sure!
I would be curious to see if the Cybertruck can figure out the distance travelled with tires that are not the expected diameter. I wonder if it will fix the odometer readings and range estimates via GPS or what.
I bet you in a year or two that software will be in place automatically on all trucks even the old ones
The UI has an area in the settings where you set what size wheels/tires you have. It even updates the "Avatar" image with them.
@@BlazerRox I have that in my Model S but it only lists stock sizes, which have different rim sizes but same outer diameters. Custom tires in unfamiliar diameters is a whole other thing.
I replaced my factory tires on my M3p with smaller tires to get a little better mileage. Cant tell much difference they do look nice. However, even though I changed the setting for the smaller tires in the UI it still registers 3 MPH off at any speed.
Seems like a simple software setting issue.
I’d be surprised if TSportline sold a size other than what’s been used by Tesla specifically!
Me too. Using different O.D. tires not specifically rated for the weight and horsepower of the CT may not be a good idea.
I’m running that same tire size on 20” wheels on my Tundra. I had to re gear my front and rear diffs to spin those properly. 6” lift and double rear leaf springs. Very minor front fender rub at full left or full right. No other issues. Elon needs to build a diesel truck that generates and stores electricity as your driving on to run your house when you get home.
For the poke, you could add a spacer to the original wheel. Correct?
Yes for sure! We have the spacers for you at TSportline.com
@@TSportline Awesome! Thanks.
Does it come with HomeLink installed
No
I know very little about this subject but you did not mention using 18" (37's) wheels instead of 20" (35's) wheels. Is the reason you did not mention is because you can not do that? I thought that off road it is better you use smaller wheels because you have more "tire".
@@TSportline Thanks. Any chance you can check the current firmware version available on the truck and which version of FSD Beta? This was ask on one of the earlier videos that you almost answered but did not for some reason. I think it had the option to do a firmware update. I just heard Elon said that FSD Beta is not a priority for the CyberTruck because only 500 on the road. I am not sure if he is sayin NO FSD Beta for CyberTruck or only v12 will be later then on the other cars. Not seeing any reviews on AP, FSD, FSD Beta on CyberTruck and since everyone getting FS must pay for FSD it would be nice if we could get someone do review the current status.
I wonder if a 2.5 inch Lift Kit would solve the inner fender clearance issues.....? Probably not enough?
Not enough. The “extract” mode lifts the truck a lot more than 2.5” and it’s still not enough. The drivetrain axle angles become too extreme at just a couple Inches of lift as all.
@@TSportline Is front diff case clearance 16 inches from the ground as well?
It sure is! That's the awesome thing about it@@Seventh7Art
Sawzall 👍🙃
Looking forward to seeing what the Sema crowd do with one of these
for sure!
Why wait for SEMA when UP performance has a plethora of aftermarket products already to rock and roll!
Nice good video
Thanks for the visit!
We need a 40 inch tire video please
That would be cool!
@@TSportline can't wait till you make a fender kit that modified the wheel well to fit 37s or 40s this will be a big market
Should try naroower 37's Staying close to the stock width and triming the flats off the ball joint stud will probably clear. The offset and wider tire makes clearing the inner fender harder.
Yes, but 37" is not offered narrower - tires are limited to what exists.
What is the speed rating on the 37.s?
They make 37x11.60R20 in the Wildpeak RT01 and Nittos the RT01 have a higher speed rating but nitto better in the dirt. A lot of diesel guus run 37x11.5R20 @@TSportline
Usually R (106) or Q (100) with mild ATs being the R. Stock is S and even some max traction in 35s are S rated @@mobleyMobley
Carolina squat and only use the rear-wheel-steering. Lift the front four feet high? Doesn't a F550 4x4 come standard with 41"? It's cheaper then the CT
so what if you can only drive 10mph and only go straight. that is a small price to pay for having 37” Tires.
Ha ha, true!
I'm waiting to see one on 40s, with a 10" lift, squatted lol you know it's going to happen
40”. Let’s go!
Is it legal to change to a non-factory tire size in the US? It is definitely not in the EU.
Non-factory sizes can result in extra wear and tear on the suspension, likely leading to premature failure of parts. They will negatively impact handling and cause false sensor data, affecting readings for the speedometer, ABS, ESP, etc.
The Cybertruck is already a threat to others due to its sheer size and weight; let's not make it even worse.
Yes it’s legal in the USA.
It's 100% allowed in the United States and it's also legal
Do Europeans not have speed bumps in mall/starbucks parking lots? How else am I supposed to drive over them without massive offroad tires?
Tesla already has PREMATURE failing of suspension parts they've been hiding for years, so there's that.
@@dlux703 They were recalled in China because the roads are a lot bumpier. So they aren't hiding it, but they are also waiting until governments force their hand and not voluntarily repairing them
Id cut that extra bolt material off to the nut. Wont hurt anything and you could get away with a smaller spacer, which would be better as far as scrub.
Can do. Still takes about 1.25” to clear spindle.
all the plastic inner fenders can be molded with a heat gun and some pressure. no cutting needed
Possibly. Some hardware behind them. Will take some mods.
Very informative video for all future Cybertruck owners. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Dang I was wondering how 40s would look...welp that isn't happening 😂
Right! No 40” here.
Might as well fab up a Dana 60 for those 40's 😅😅😅
Why not 36" ?
Great question! We all are limited to 'available' tires, there is no such 36" tire in existence for a 20" wheel / LT application.
What's a couple inches between fellas😅
Ha ha exactly 👍🏻
You would probably have issues with the upper ball joints over wear and tare as it was not designed for that big of tires, let alone if you did not adjust the bump stops you would be bottoming out probably destroy the inner fender well. Running spacers in the front as well is a disaster waiting to happen. That thing puts out a lot of torque and can bet it would cause some problems.
You can cut off the end of the upper A-Arm spindle bolt. That bolt end is of no benefit to the structural rigidity of the bolt. It is only there so that you can put a wrench on it to keep the bolt from spinning when removing the nut.
The answer is NO. They don’t fit. Extract mode cannot be used to drive.
But remove some parts, modify others, and… maybe?
Yes, that’s the take away at this point. To make it reasonably driveable, the inner fender well needs a decent amount of modifications / clearance work. And you need to space the wheel out.
@@TSportline...you might ask Tesla if any of this would void the warranty. My guess, it would...and probably should.
You would have to modify it enough to make it not rub a minimum and maximum heights, with room for max travel. It’s gonna need more than a little here.
Try this application after installing a lift kit.
You can’t lift it enough. we did the test in “extract” mode which is the highest it can go without causing axle angle issues.
What lift kit. It is not a body on frame. You would need a bigger air suspension kit and that could throw angles off too much. The model X eats half shafts for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Unplugged Performance already sells a 2.5” lift kit for the Cybertruck. That’s the lift I was referring to.
what about a 325/60/20? pretty common with multiple selections, to include BFG Mud Terrains. because louder tires are better. just under an inch more diameter and just over an inch wider... effectively a 36"...
Why use a spacer when you can adjust the backspacing of the rim?
We could do either - spacer is a faster way to test.
@@TSportline what about a redesigned ball joint bolt that doesn’t hang down so far into the tread area? The dodge trucks can fit 37’s stock with a very specific offset. CJC off-road has specific method offset for this Too little they rub, too much they hit fenders.
@@TSportlinewhat spacer used?
It’s almost as if a car company is learning how to make trucks. 😂
Ha ha this sounds right
Tesla has the same issue with all their vehicles. Just their design.
@@jackylsmith8138 Yeah, that’s the problem. They are making a truck using car and SUV designs. Not smart.
Isn’t it funny when smart people are dumb ☺️🍿
How about 325-60 r20 BFG km3?
For off-road it needs more clearance around fenders, A-arms, ball joints.
Yes, more to do
What the hell, cut that fender and make it fit. The CT will look so much better. Show us the contact at every height. And does the rear fit? 17” wheels with 37” tires would look sick.
Ha ha exactly
I think you should just figure this out. Even do a custom aluminium bumper if that's what it takes. Surely many CT owners will happily pay you to fix 37"s on their CT. Just do it.
I wonder how that effect's the wear on the death by... I mean steer by wire.
Like most stock trucks; you need a lift and maybe some trimming. I can't wait to see what the aftermarket comes up with this truck.
range drops by few percentage per inch
will definitely impact range :)
A smaller rim you can air down will give you the longer contact patch flotation you are looking for. but this things underbelly is not ready for real off-road rocks and logs.
dear lord 37s look great on Cybertron
...version 2. You are right though, they do look good.
Cyberton - cool
Wonder if this affects warranty.
Mods only affects warranty on parts they are proven to cause an issue with. OEM's cannot blanket deny warranty soly on the premise of you modifying the vehicle.
Would Tesla refuse warranty work if the car was fitted with non standard parts.
No, not unless they directly caused the issue.
Ha Ha Ha, they already refuse warranty on their own parts that fail prematurely because of poor design and constrution. They blame the owners for "vehicle abuse".
Never enough. Use to be 30 inch tires then people wanted 33s on their truck. Then 33 inch tires from factory and people wanted 35s. now 35s from factory and people are curious 37s??? lol
Seems to keep growing!
Wanna see how it looks like with 24 inch rims and low profile tires
Some of these mods are cool but this isn't like putting big wheels and tires on a gas vehicle range will be horrible guys are gonna have to charge it every 10 blocks. I love mods but on a EV I think you pretty much gotta stick with it stock.
Ha ha, some thing impact range - but it's not that bad. I can tell you from first hand experience, Ive done extensive mods on my Model S - range is around 300m/charge now...still plenty for me!
No way, mods are the way for this truck. Check out UP's parts, damn sick!
how to fit 40's?
Let’s go!
@@TSportline yes✊️
I own a Jeep Gladiator with 17"/37s. I have to change my inner fender, trim my OEM Rubicon side rock rails, aftermarket front bumper and added spacer just for looks. So it is not end of the world here for the Cybertruck to fit the 37s. I'm sure after market company will start making parts just to help fit those 37s but it gona be hella expensive since you might need a full lift kit too. Better mind set will be a Plaid and a regular truck IMO.
Lol!!!!!! It's going to be much difficult with this tesla including the fact that it has air suspensions
That’s cool how you can “cycle the suspension “ by just pressing a button
yea..... i wouldnt play with it
It's not a new thing on vehicles
The things he pointed out are the obvious problems. You can't just slap 37s and spacers on a hub and call it a day.
The additional weight and geometry changes caused by 37s can result in suspension part failure at multiple points. Hubs, bearings, brakes, arms, actuators, joints/knuckles. If any one of those wasn't over-designed to handle the additional strain you could be looking at a bag full of problems after a few thousand miles (or much much less).
thanks dad
That’s a really big wheelbarrow.
Ha ha
Adds vastly more aesthetic with larger tires. Alas.
Will it play steam games like s and x
Why would you touch a masterpiece? 🤔
be happy with the 35 , being electric in nature smaller tires are better , more efficient !
It's not about being efficient on something like this. It's about off-road capability. If you want to be efficient, drive a 3 or y
@@MountainManGuy my point is other than looks there is no benefit to 37 so if i got 30 more miles for using 35 over 37 i will .
@@damaylaphoenix1155 If you think that, you haven't been off-road. There is absolutely a benefit to a 37 off-road
@@MountainManGuy i have , probably more than you. off road in a electric vehicle? where you gonna keep the spare battery ? ha!
@@damaylaphoenix1155 You're just showing your ignorance. Best to keep your mouth shut.
I'd like to see you put on a 35x12.50 tire on with that spacer. Looks better wider. Cybertruck looks a little top heavy to me visually. Would be cool to consider making wider fender flares too.
Totally doable. We have the spacers available. Will be an easy mod for those who want a wider stance.
Ain’t nothin a good chop shop can’t fixxx
36inch tire?
Say goodbye to 10% of your range estimate.
I wouldnt mess with alien technology.
Aliens rejoice 👽
such a shame that they didn't make this work from the factory
Still have trouble managing how you modify the cars in a way that you think is ok. In Europe you wouldn't be covered from insurance anymore.
Euros say no fun
With enough modification, you can put any size tire you want on that truck. 😂😂😂😂
True, true!
Cut the ball joint bolt with an angle grinder
This is a gamechamger
We have a few options to play with here!
It’ll probably cut the range another 50 miles.
About right, or more
Range has now gone from 320 to 290 🤣
what do you get from bigger tires? just the look?
The larger diameter covers a larger area, so any given obstacle is more easily surpassed. They`re better for off-road use, much worse for the road, more inertia, more mechanical resonance throughout the vehicle and noise, from so much more rubber smacking the tarmac.
@@WI5EBLOOD I see, this mod is for off-road use. Most buyers probably never off road. thanks for the response.
More ground clearance, more traction, more sidewall flex…
Will 37's fit on R1T?
Aren't 35's large enough? lol Sticking the tires out further than the fenders you become a rock thrower. Not good IMHO.
35” are not bad in our opinion.
2:33 it's 17.44” not 16".
Well, Tesla updated it - now it is 16"
Last time I checked 285 = 33 315 = 35
That is true, but Tesla refers to them as 35", rounding up ha ha. The 37 measures smaller than 37 as well, even though it's marked 37.
But if you had Rims that were 37" and only 10" wide with a lower profile tire say an R55 vs R65 then you would avoid these issues.
Or if a 12" tire is desired then a rim with a greater offset is required rather than a spacer.
These Low profile tires with larger rims are only good for city or highway driving and achieving a look.
Not good for offroad.
someone please tell me what is the big deal with "37" why is that necessary?
This was answered in this thread prior to your question.
warranty cancelled , range is down to 150 max , regenerative braking will probably go haywire 😅
Oh oh.... What about 36"!!!
There IS a narrower 37" option that is available. Nitto has Ridge Grapplers and Recon Grapplers available in 37x11.50x17, 37x11.50x18 and 37x11.50x20.
Elon has to figure out a "kit" to allow Cybertruck customers to fit a 37" tire. Saw my first Cybertruck on the freeway 3 days ago.....looks way better in person moving at speed than in pictures.