The only thing other thing you missed besides the stolen moves comboing into each other, is that the type of command grab corresponds with which move is stolen. QCF in the air and on the ground will always steal kamehameha and QCB in the air and on the ground will always steal solar flare as an example.
I'd say rather than being the "aggressive" category, a more apt name is the Vegeta category, since all the members of that category are Vegeta's family other than Nappa, who was his partner. All in all then, the categories are the Goku group, Vegeta group, Alien group, and Android group.
also if you absorb moves from both on the ground or in the air versions the quarter circle back move will gain a special property the utilizes the move you have in the quarter circle forward slot. for example if you have the double bomb ki blast in your quarter circle forward slot and the solar flare in the quarter circle back slot, 21 will solar flare directly into the double ki blast, this works for ground and air. not every combination of moves works and this comment is already too long so test them out your self
I do like that you can do the absorption move to get one at a time, it can really open up for many combos. Not to mention the fact that you fill in all four slots when you use the super move in which she turns your character into a sweet and takes a bite out of you
The hard part is keeping track of your grabs in the heat of neutral and the end of combos, nothing is more heartbreaking than accidentally hitting that vanish and dropping the combo 😭
Abwon•Over•Everything even with dlc sadly it will stay dead, the game has too many problems and all the problems from mvc3 carried over too, nothing was fixed, solved or reprimanded. I can promise you that game will never see the light of day again.
The only way I use the dunk in a combo is after a vanish. It's the medium version, and after that I go ham with supers xD. I think you can also combo into it after a normal ki blast. But honestly, unless you want to take the opponent to the ground so you can do a full squad super fest, the kicks are much better.
Its one of those things like 2 months from now people will have more on deck as they fish for absorb combo stuff. Right now I barely even think of absorb as anything else than a 1 off command grab. Its a strange mechanic and those kind of things take time to mature. Just like say Ginyu, 2 months from now you will see the ginyu players who really "get it" but right now not so much.
Roof my man I must ask for a favor. Can you PLEASE make a vid on Ginyu's Body Change mechanic? I can't understand it's properties and it never seems to combo when it should, and I can't find any assist to help make it work. All I know is that Ginyu's Guldo assist seems to help it connect if you can time it properly.
I will see what I can do although I am not sure what the issue is with the mechanic itself? Guldo lets you combo into it and then you just completely switch. Character & lifebars switch over. Honestly its kind a gimmick I don't think it has much room for competitive play.
I'm trying to see if there's any viable way to combo or setup into it. Is it that it can't hit someone affected by hitstun? Does Guldo put the enemy into some special state that's different from a normal stun? Ginyu is my main atm, and I feel Body Change is really being slept on. When it lands it devastates the enemy's team comp and combos. Also I'm a fan of moves with a strong psychological effect on the enemy player, fighting games are fought 90% with the mind, after all..
Plenty of ways to combo into it! Any combo, into gotenks assist, into guldo, will let you combo into it for example. It can totally effect people in hitstun its just that its tied with 16 for longest startup on a move in the game.
Just keep in mind after guldo you gotta go RIGHT into it. You can't wait to see guldo hit, or hesitate or nothing. so you wanna motion like, qcf+s, qcb for lvl 3 instantly.
You forgot to mention that you can combo absorbed moves into each other and that when you have full slots, 21 gains access to a S.S Deadly Bomber kinda attack. Besides that, a nice and informative video as always
Nice video, you forgot to mention that she can get rid of moves she stole using her special, which is a large ball of ki that travels the screen real fast and gets bigger and more damaging the more moves you stole
rooflemonger damn it's right at the end of the video where I expected it to be, was pretty sure to have seen the whole thing 0.o my bad, brainfarted hard
Is really bad. My execution is the worst part of my game and sub-par. Trust me when I say in any of my videos if I can do them, anyone can. I have no special skillset for this stuff just hard work and practice. Luckily in fighting games hard work > raw talent and skill.
21's Absorb is a unique mechanic in a game full of very unique things so I hope this breakdown helps!
rooflemonger what does catn gynu give?
She also can cancel an absorb attack into the other. Ex solar flare into kamehameha
symeon ginyu is in the alien category, so homing ball/teleport.
Goku black gives you kamehameha
The only thing other thing you missed besides the stolen moves comboing into each other, is that the type of command grab corresponds with which move is stolen. QCF in the air and on the ground will always steal kamehameha and QCB in the air and on the ground will always steal solar flare as an example.
Categories
Z Fighters/Earthlings (blue)
Aliens (purple)
Androids (green)
Proud Sayians (yellow)
That‘s such a dope concept
a plague on the house of anyone who says roofiemonger instead of rooflemonger
I'd say rather than being the "aggressive" category, a more apt name is the Vegeta category, since all the members of that category are Vegeta's family other than Nappa, who was his partner.
All in all then, the categories are the Goku group, Vegeta group, Alien group, and Android group.
I suppose. There's no official naming scheme for em so I just went with whatever.
I think you can just call it the saiyan category, since all the people who have it are saiyans and aren't associated with a particular fighting style.
King Of All Trades Problem is, there’s Saiyans who aren’t in that category -Goku, Gohan, and Goku Black. So Vegeta/Aggressive fits better.
Simple: Earthlings vs Space Saiyans. Goku considers himself an Earthling, first.
But then Vegito exists
Next vids up on deck will be android 21 combos and Tips/tricks
rooflemonger thanks senpai she is my main and i cant wait to learn more about her :D
She looks like a lot of fun
Thanks so much dude, this made me like 300 times better with android 21
Also Ex fireball at 4 absorbed moves allows you to follow up with a jump M if you are at mid screen.
also if you absorb moves from both on the ground or in the air versions the quarter circle back move will gain a special property the utilizes the move you have in the quarter circle forward slot. for example if you have the double bomb ki blast in your quarter circle forward slot and the solar flare in the quarter circle back slot, 21 will solar flare directly into the double ki blast, this works for ground and air. not every combination of moves works and this comment is already too long so test them out your self
Well done sir, very direct and simple explanation.
I do like that you can do the absorption move to get one at a time, it can really open up for many combos. Not to mention the fact that you fill in all four slots when you use the super move in which she turns your character into a sweet and takes a bite out of you
OMG this was so helpful i didn't no that!
Bro fr, I swear I thought the moves just kept changing on their own
Love the videos , after the mechanics vids i want a capt gynu video lol
The hard part is keeping track of your grabs in the heat of neutral and the end of combos, nothing is more heartbreaking than accidentally hitting that vanish and dropping the combo 😭
Thanks man now I know how to do it
I subbed. You're the man!
Not a huge fan of this mechanic, but 21 is a cool character.
@ 1:44 REALITY STONE! Lmao
Lasts a LOT longer than reality stone too.
Abwon•Over•Everything marvel dead tho
Rick Peters I still play MVCI but yea you’re right it seems like it’s on its way out. They need to release some new DLC asap
Abwon•Over•Everything even with dlc sadly it will stay dead, the game has too many problems and all the problems from mvc3 carried over too, nothing was fixed, solved or reprimanded.
I can promise you that game will never see the light of day again.
thank you for this, i main ssj goku ssj vegeta and 21 so this helps alot
and lol, the 2 easiest characters with arguably the hardest character on a team, it works for me tho
Yo android 21 is fucking raw
Thank you!
Hopefully we're gonna get blue Vegeta dunk combos. :D
After I get 21 combos out of the way I got nooooooooo idea whose next. I am interested in playing about half the cast so I gotta learn heh.
The only way I use the dunk in a combo is after a vanish. It's the medium version, and after that I go ham with supers xD. I think you can also combo into it after a normal ki blast. But honestly, unless you want to take the opponent to the ground so you can do a full squad super fest, the kicks are much better.
If you do dunk combos with Vegeta, can you please use "Space Jam theme" as the background music lol
On a scale of 1 to 10...
You can cancel 1 absorbed move into a second one, also. FYI.
Yep its in the combo guide.
Weird I see no one in competitive dbfz use this, it seems worth like due to 21 not being the the best without some assist helping her out
Its one of those things like 2 months from now people will have more on deck as they fish for absorb combo stuff. Right now I barely even think of absorb as anything else than a 1 off command grab. Its a strange mechanic and those kind of things take time to mature. Just like say Ginyu, 2 months from now you will see the ginyu players who really "get it" but right now not so much.
jeez they even gave evil 21 a sexy walking animation not that im complaining mind u
Interesting
So what does Teen Gohan give? I'm not sure if I missed it or not?
Questionable Logic
Kamehameha and Solar Flare
This all sti holds true for 3.5 right? Just picked her up
Some of it does, this guide is quite out of date these days now :( But the basic moves and all that hold true
@@Rooflemonger Awesome, thanks for the reply! I love your videos, man
Also you can only use the absorbed abilities once now
I’m trying to get all slot filled with the powers so I can do her “new” put but it keeps on registering the input as me USING THE POWERUPS
I don’t rage easily but this has pissed me off to a new degree
Roof my man I must ask for a favor. Can you PLEASE make a vid on Ginyu's Body Change mechanic? I can't understand it's properties and it never seems to combo when it should, and I can't find any assist to help make it work. All I know is that Ginyu's Guldo assist seems to help it connect if you can time it properly.
I will see what I can do although I am not sure what the issue is with the mechanic itself? Guldo lets you combo into it and then you just completely switch. Character & lifebars switch over. Honestly its kind a gimmick I don't think it has much room for competitive play.
I'm trying to see if there's any viable way to combo or setup into it. Is it that it can't hit someone affected by hitstun? Does Guldo put the enemy into some special state that's different from a normal stun? Ginyu is my main atm, and I feel Body Change is really being slept on. When it lands it devastates the enemy's team comp and combos. Also I'm a fan of moves with a strong psychological effect on the enemy player, fighting games are fought 90% with the mind, after all..
Plenty of ways to combo into it!
Any combo, into gotenks assist, into guldo, will let you combo into it for example. It can totally effect people in hitstun its just that its tied with 16 for longest startup on a move in the game.
Ty, I'll do some more practicing then. I must be doing something wrong.
Just keep in mind after guldo you gotta go RIGHT into it. You can't wait to see guldo hit, or hesitate or nothing.
so you wanna motion like, qcf+s, qcb for lvl 3 instantly.
I still don’t get it because sometime I try to use one of the moves but she does the absorb move instead. There must be something I’m missing
Android 21's pretty much MKX Shinnok x4. Only difference is she gets to keep the moves whereas Shinnok forgets them upon doing the stolen move once.
God I hate mk4 shinnok so lame. Although there isn't much positive to say about mk4 other than the silly sonya/jarek/jax endings.
You forgot to mention that you can combo absorbed moves into each other and that when you have full slots, 21 gains access to a S.S Deadly Bomber kinda attack. Besides that, a nice and informative video as always
What about Teen Gohan? Does he fit in the Kame or Aggressive category?
Kame.
Please do an updated version including all DLC characters
"Aggressive character category"
Or you could call them, I dunno...
*"SAIYANS?"*
But Goku and Gohan, though.
Vegeta House category
Vegeta House
... and Nappa
What groups are Broly/Bardock in?
If I had to guess, I think Bardock would be in the Kame House, and Broly in the Aggressive House.
but wot buttons do i press on xbox controller
DreamCatz
Foward half circle A or back half circle for the tilt up version.
did teen gohan not get a category?
Did I miss him? He's in the kame house/goku friends category. Kamehameha and solar flare.
I hope she gets updeaded so she can use a lot of other moves from the DLC characters
anyone else losing the ability after using it?
That is the case after the most recent patch. This video is now out of date :(
Very cool mechanich but seems very undependable.
It's great but pretty pointless in online. Most fights are fast paced.
You said it way to fast for me to understand ;-;
Nice video, you forgot to mention that she can get rid of moves she stole using her special, which is a large ball of ki that travels the screen real fast and gets bigger and more damaging the more moves you stole
That's literally in the video.
rooflemonger damn it's right at the end of the video where I expected it to be, was pretty sure to have seen the whole thing 0.o my bad, brainfarted hard
I didnt understand the button you press you speak too fast
Gawh... Your ability to do combos ... :|
Is really bad. My execution is the worst part of my game and sub-par. Trust me when I say in any of my videos if I can do them, anyone can. I have no special skillset for this stuff just hard work and practice. Luckily in fighting games hard work > raw talent and skill.