such good memories watching this again one and a half years later. I remember my first time (and probably only time) at worlds seeing you guys wheeling your spin up bot around, you even gave us some stickers, was truly a unique experience seeing you there (and the rest of worlds too) not to mention that you've left a lasting impact on robot designs ever since, and also RECF was so impressed that they imposed a limit for signature events that can be attended by any one team
the safety on everything and overall thought on this robot is insane. Bummer that the most unlucky thing happens to the alliance with the most safe team i've seen.
who is Adi ? to the blind he is vision to the hungry he is a chef to the thirsty he is water if Adi thinks i agree if Adi speaks i listen if Adi had 100 fans im one of them if Adi had 1 fan thats me if Adi had 0 fans then I am dead
Wow! Y'all are a pair of really cool guys! I never got to talk to you guys at worlds, but I can tell just from how you did this video that you guys are awesome people. Thank you for the robot explanation video, there are some things that I'd never think about doing, like the black lines for screws. You guys would make amazing engineers, you guys think of everything, lol. I wish both of you the very best in your future endeavors (even though I don't think you need it). :)
The actual goats. It was so fun to actually alliance with u, and I can confirm the the robot does work…..lmao. Ben and Logan, you guys were so cool and friendly and VEX is going to miss u.
Owen here from 323S, It was awesome competing with you guys this year and getting to know you. Best of luck in your careers! P.S. You guys are my favorite team!
Great work and magnificent build!!! The way it is made to be so clean and safe is mind-blowing. Always love learning from you XDDD. Wish you good luck on next season and definitely see you at worlds!!!!
A very intelligent man who won 15 straight tournaments once said, “The more you can reduce unfortunate things that can happen, the more likely you are to win.” Revision, you are the greatest of all time 🐐 🐐in my humble opinion. I wish I would have talked to you for longer at worlds, y’all are great guys! Good luck the rest of the way! -Yancey 63031C
What's the diameter and material of spacers that you used on the shafts between the drivetrain wheels? Also it was awesome to see you guys progress over the season. - 9257R (It would also be great if you could link it).
www.mcmaster.com/products/spacers/nylon-unthreaded-spacers/ You want 6mm OD and 4.3mm ID. You can pick any length. I think I got 32mm long which was perfect for just using one spacer.
Hello! Ben and Logan. I noticed that you used a special type of spacers at the beginning of your video for the drivetrain. You said that you got it from McMaster-Carr, but the site was very confusing. Could you please reply with the link? I was also wondering how multiple teams were using IQ chain because it was stronger or something. How does that work in VRC?
Hey great robot! Just one question about the 8 wheel drive train. How would the robot be driving up hill all game? I just feel that the tiles wouldn’t sink in while you are moving bc they don’t have time to displace. Like running on water. Just a thought lmk what you think.
Just curious - is that PTO canti? Why is it fine in that situation? I’m guessing it’s because it already has two points of contact, but I’m wondering if that still adds friction. Thanks, - 6121C
If so, in this case it wasn't under much load and torque at all which allowed it to work fine, and it needed to be out of the way otherwise it touched the discs as they came up the intake. So yes its not in theory the best but worked fine for fixing a problem on the robot.
okayy soo i love you guys and i have one question about the drive train, how do you guys gear that for speed because when we used that gear ratio is went really slow, and we used the standard green cartridge motors!
They used blue cartridges for 450rpm, the green cartridges gave you 150rpm. However 450 on 3.25 is very fast, so I would not recommend to beginner teams
I believe that is unused code. Our drivetrain code uses odom wheels for skills auto and motor encoder for match play. We occasionally ran into problems with robot position during match autonomous, however it was typically caused by collision between us and the opposing team.
Yea so that was a stage that allowed the roller mech to be geared down more. It was a screw but on it was a drilled out high strength shaft which allowed it to spin freely on the screw but connect the two sprockets motion together.
The main advantage we have seen to low strength gears on the drivetrain is size. We originally had high-strength gears on the drivetrain, but were able to slim each gearbox by 0.5" using the low-strength gears. There is a risk of gear slipping, but we did not run into any of these problems throughout Spin Up.
Bang bang switches between 0% and 100% power, depending on whether the flywheel RPM is above or below a desired target, respectively. Its advantage over PID is that it is simply the fastest way to reach an upwards target speed. There is no lost time from slowing down to stabilize the speed. The disadvantage, at least from our testing, is that it can more quickly overheat the motor and is more difficult to maintain a tight margin around the desired velocity. A middle-ground between the two is Feed Forward, which uses Bang Bang when the flywheel RPM is far below its desired target, but then switches to PID once it is within a certain range. The range from us was 300 RPM below (in 1:1 cartridge units).
The bottom row of screws on the drivetrain are screw joints, connected directly to the drive wheels. This allows the same free-spin as a shaft/axel setup, but with additional structure, due to the screw holding in both C-Channels on its respective side.
@@515Revision That's super cool, so did you choose to have all the wheels slightly lower due to spacing? Or was it for going over the low goal barrier or something?
We don't use any 3D printed parts on the robot. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you are referring to the white plastic components. These parts are laser-cut Delrin, which fall under 12 x 24 non-shattering plastic sheet.
such good memories watching this again one and a half years later. I remember my first time (and probably only time) at worlds seeing you guys wheeling your spin up bot around, you even gave us some stickers, was truly a unique experience seeing you there (and the rest of worlds too)
not to mention that you've left a lasting impact on robot designs ever since, and also RECF was so impressed that they imposed a limit for signature events that can be attended by any one team
Fun fact: the curvature of the earth actually cancels out the uphill driving on 4 wheel drives. This is the only reason they even work.
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Great point! It only works though if your field is parallel with the equator and ours isn't so we needed 8 wheels.
the safety on everything and overall thought on this robot is insane. Bummer that the most unlucky thing happens to the alliance with the most safe team i've seen.
who is Adi ?
to the blind
he is vision
to the hungry
he is a chef
to the thirsty
he is water
if Adi thinks
i agree
if Adi speaks
i listen
if Adi had 100 fans
im one of them
if Adi had 1 fan
thats me
if Adi had 0 fans
then I am dead
Your guys's ideas and methods are actually crazy, we're gonna miss u guys next year.
loved hearing Logan in the video too
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Beautiful robot, exceptional build quality, and nice license plate stickers!
Bobby is in love
@@matthewmorrison5583 the other goat appeared
Wow! Y'all are a pair of really cool guys! I never got to talk to you guys at worlds, but I can tell just from how you did this video that you guys are awesome people. Thank you for the robot explanation video, there are some things that I'd never think about doing, like the black lines for screws. You guys would make amazing engineers, you guys think of everything, lol. I wish both of you the very best in your future endeavors (even though I don't think you need it). :)
The actual goats. It was so fun to actually alliance with u, and I can confirm the the robot does work…..lmao. Ben and Logan, you guys were so cool and friendly and VEX is going to miss u.
Owen here from 323S, It was awesome competing with you guys this year and getting to know you. Best of luck in your careers! P.S. You guys are my favorite team!
Ben and Logan❤️
Sam Hyatt
@@BasicPurple bro
Sam Hyatt♥
So sad to see you guys go off. Good Luck in the rest of your careers!
Great work and magnificent build!!! The way it is made to be so clean and safe is mind-blowing. Always love learning from you XDDD. Wish you good luck on next season and definitely see you at worlds!!!!
The mind games of writing bounce is crazy
oookay the screw marks were lowkey smart
that angle changer is so sick
finally smart man in a video
Do you remember the OD/ID of the spacers you used on your drivetrain? Thank you!
A very intelligent man who won 15 straight tournaments once said, “The more you can reduce unfortunate things that can happen, the more likely you are to win.”
Revision, you are the greatest of all time 🐐 🐐in my humble opinion. I wish I would have talked to you for longer at worlds, y’all are great guys! Good luck the rest of the way! -Yancey 63031C
the fake endgame blocker is genuis lmfao
The flex wheel jig is so cool
Will you guys be making a video on the PID tuning box?
Simply Built Different
What's the diameter and material of spacers that you used on the shafts between the drivetrain wheels? Also it was awesome to see you guys progress over the season. - 9257R (It would also be great if you could link it).
www.mcmaster.com/products/spacers/nylon-unthreaded-spacers/
You want 6mm OD and 4.3mm ID.
You can pick any length.
I think I got 32mm long which was perfect for just using one spacer.
@@515Revision Thank you!
This Ben person seem very cool.
Hello! Ben and Logan.
I noticed that you used a special type of spacers at the beginning of your video for the drivetrain. You said that you got it from McMaster-Carr, but the site was very confusing. Could you please reply with the link?
I was also wondering how multiple teams were using IQ chain because it was stronger or something. How does that work in VRC?
Hey great robot! Just one question about the 8 wheel drive train. How would the robot be driving up hill all game? I just feel that the tiles wouldn’t sink in while you are moving bc they don’t have time to displace. Like running on water. Just a thought lmk what you think.
Just curious - is that PTO canti? Why is it fine in that situation? I’m guessing it’s because it already has two points of contact, but I’m wondering if that still adds friction.
Thanks, - 6121C
are you talking about the indexer ratchet?
If so, in this case it wasn't under much load and torque at all which allowed it to work fine, and it needed to be out of the way otherwise it touched the discs as they came up the intake. So yes its not in theory the best but worked fine for fixing a problem on the robot.
@@515Revision got it, thanks so much!
What is the part number for the small spacers
Big fan of the drivetrain, can't put my finger on why tho 🤔
Amazing robot! Did you guys ever consider joining an FRC team?
Where can i find the exact spacer, you guys used, from mc master?
Happy 5/15 -24118E
okayy soo i love you guys and i have one question about the drive train, how do you guys gear that for speed because when we used that gear ratio is went really slow, and we used the standard green cartridge motors!
we see you guys using the standard gears in vex, we used high strength gears on ours , would that make a difference?
Try changing your spacing so it can move very slightly. The friction may be too much for the motors.
They used blue cartridges for 450rpm, the green cartridges gave you 150rpm. However 450 on 3.25 is very fast, so I would not recommend to beginner teams
Do you have the cad file for the auton selector?
I see in your code that you use rotation sensor instead of odom pods. How does that work with sideways motion?
I believe that is unused code.
Our drivetrain code uses odom wheels for skills auto and motor encoder for match play. We occasionally ran into problems with robot position during match autonomous, however it was typically caused by collision between us and the opposing team.
You are literally the second best vex team of all time (right after pilons)!
kinda specific but i saw that there was like an intermediate roller in the back that was chained to the roller mech. Was that on a screw or shaft?
Yea so that was a stage that allowed the roller mech to be geared down more. It was a screw but on it was a drilled out high strength shaft which allowed it to spin freely on the screw but connect the two sprockets motion together.
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What font is that on your license plates? It looks hella clean!
Montserrat 😁
Are you joining VEXU?
Most likely not
What gearing did you use?
Is there a significant differance between low strength and high strength gears on drivetrain?
The main advantage we have seen to low strength gears on the drivetrain is size. We originally had high-strength gears on the drivetrain, but were able to slim each gearbox by 0.5" using the low-strength gears. There is a risk of gear slipping, but we did not run into any of these problems throughout Spin Up.
what is bang bang and how does it differ from pid?
Bang bang switches between 0% and 100% power, depending on whether the flywheel RPM is above or below a desired target, respectively.
Its advantage over PID is that it is simply the fastest way to reach an upwards target speed. There is no lost time from slowing down to stabilize the speed. The disadvantage, at least from our testing, is that it can more quickly overheat the motor and is more difficult to maintain a tight margin around the desired velocity.
A middle-ground between the two is Feed Forward, which uses Bang Bang when the flywheel RPM is far below its desired target, but then switches to PID once it is within a certain range. The range from us was 300 RPM below (in 1:1 cartridge units).
@@515Revision ah okay thats very cool thanks for sharing
W mans y'all bent me over when u went against us in worlds. Sad to see you go
haha sorry
515 day rn
awesome robot! what happened at worlds? ik yall got bo1ed w bad luck but i couldnt see what happened
Yeah, unfortunately partner got stuck for half the match and we narrowly lost
Great explanation vid! The Ben + Logan synergy is too good
cracked
Yo what’s a PID box
vid on that coming soon 👀
epic
What are all the offset screws for on the drivetrain?
The bottom row of screws on the drivetrain are screw joints, connected directly to the drive wheels. This allows the same free-spin as a shaft/axel setup, but with additional structure, due to the screw holding in both C-Channels on its respective side.
@@515Revision That's super cool, so did you choose to have all the wheels slightly lower due to spacing? Or was it for going over the low goal barrier or something?
Where are you going to college
Logan is going to University of Cincinnati
I (Ben) am going to University of Kentucky
@@515Revision what major are you guys going into?
luv u ben
I thought you couldn't have 3d printed parts??
We don't use any 3D printed parts on the robot.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you are referring to the white plastic components. These parts are laser-cut Delrin, which fall under 12 x 24 non-shattering plastic sheet.
@@515Revision Oh that's smart
❤
Hello Ben
Ben + Logan op
we also chose to do 8 wheels on our new over under robot! ua-cam.com/video/TRkf9af8zAg/v-deo.html
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@@515Revision 🧢
@@515Revision not mid
How many motors did you use for the drive train?
6
this was exquisite I'm afraid I owe you the $6.09 🫡
bro comments anything
Worry not, we can refund you $4.20 🧌
How do you utilize screw joints on you chassis?