Great idea! Testing it on ballistics gel would definitely show its impact power in a fun way. I might just give it a shot! What else would you be curious to see it tested on?
Seems like ballistics gel is a popular choice! It’d definitely be satisfying to see the impact in slow motion. Any other materials or tests you think would show off its power even better?
Great idea! Fruits, veggies, and even pieces of meat would definitely make for some entertaining (and messy) tests. Slow-mo on those impacts could be pretty epic! Any specific type of fruit or veggie you think would be the most satisfying to see get blasted? 🍉🍏
Good idea. In its current form, it doesn't have much power, being so far as I can tell on par with some of the more energetic airsoft replicas. But ATF has a long history of ignoring the minor detail that it's Congress that makes the laws, not the ATF and arbitrarily declaring things to be illegal with no actual authority to do so. I would not be at all surprised if ATF decided that the ice rifle looked scary and people were having too much fun and something had to be done. He might be able to avoid some trouble by not painting it black, though. Black would make it scarier and, therefore, more dangerous. Oh, and not putting a folding stock on it. Folding stocks make things more dangerous too, well known fact.
Also just because it works once, doesn't mean it won't blow apart after repeated stress, and eventually the material strength is compromised. This guy is clearly smart in some areas, and lacking in a few others. Seems like there was some better choices then using pvc. I mean if you get build the end pieces out of metal, why not also make make a metal sleeve inside the pvc pipe, that way you get a doubling of both strengths to ensure it won't even give. Just add a stainless steel cylinder, or a stainless steel sleeve to the pvc pipe. Either is infinitely better than just pvc pipe...
Like many other commenters, I’m gonna have to tell you to not use pvc pipe as pressure vessel. Use steel or at least brass pipe. Also, if not mistaken, you can power the thermoelectric junctions in reverse and thereby get your melting point perfectly in’s sync with your trigger. Make a sequence like this; trigger should have several “points” of action. First part of trigger action=freeze, second level=thaw, final level = activate all valves to release the “bullet”. You can have indicator lights to let you know what exactly you’re doing at any point in the cycle.
Interesting suggestion!🤓 Sawdust could definitely add some structural strength to the ice. Have you experimented with this before, or is this a new idea?
@@AlexanderSverdlov The british tried to build a ship in WW2 with sawdust & Ice mix being cooled by refrigeration lines to save cost of steel. They called the material as PYKRETE.
Haha, glad to see everyone has a sense of humor about this! 😂 Don’t worry, my “untraceable bullets” are strictly for harmless fun… and maybe some mother-in-law jokes on the side. Anyone else have a target in mind? 😆
What makes a rifle is the riffling, so arguably most modern pistols are rifles and this gun is not. How many firearm enthusiasts is this going to irritate?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations the cia has an ice pistol that contained shellfish toxin that fades pretty quickly. vrymsmall projectile to basically no wound. practically a modern day poison dart tube.
@@marvinmurphy5523 rifling is only part of the classifications, meaning that you are half correct, most modern pistols are closer to being a rifle than this ice gun would be a more accurate statement
"I would like to see if this 3bars rated pvc pipe will explode under 10bars of pressure" * Proceed to put his face at 50cm without any screen protection *
Holy fucking shit dude. I would not have stood there as your pressure tested that pvc. Pvc shatters when it fails and makes shrapnel. It's incredibly dangerous. I love everything else but I was screaming at that part. Stay safe ❤️
Totally get where you’re coming from! PVC under high pressure is no joke, and it’s definitely a safety risk if it fails. I’ll be extra cautious in the future and maybe switch to safer materials for pressure testing. Appreciate the concern and advice-safety first! ❤️
@ConceptCraftedCreations and as I said in a different comment the shrapnel doesn't show up on x-rays so it is very difficult to get fixed up at the hospital.
Haha, that’s one way to put it! This might be a little overkill for a “water gun,” but sometimes it’s fun to push boundaries. Any ideas for the next “extreme” project?
4:00 There had better be water in that pipe when testing, tank pressure testing is called hydrostatic testing for a reason. To make a better tank, maybe use tightly wrapped surfboard fiberglass in epoxy around the pipe, especially the ends of the pipe. Then add a spring loaded limit valve to assure a pressure that is low enough.
@@Hurricayne92 When fabricating a pressure vessel, the first time you bring it up to pressure, you do a hydrostatic test with the vessel full of water with air as a source of pressure only at a pressure exceeding the maximum intended pressure substantially. This assures that first test is safe and all fills with air thereafter at the rated pressure are also safe.
I remember reading one of those classic "military fiction thriller books written by an ex soldier" type books about 20 years ago about a delta force squad in the arctic that had a type of gun where they put snow in a hopper at the top and it compressed it down into ice balls. the idea of that gun has lived rent free in my mind all that time as "thats such a cool idea" this is basically that.
@@felixkonig7273 it was implied to be Delta IIRC. All I know is that Delta won't be flying planes like on that one chapter that involves assassination of the false leads on who is behind the cover up, the villain, of the story.
Beautiful and clever build. It doesn't fall within chatGPT's safety definition, so it's not a water gun anymore, but it's definitely an ice gun. Or if you put fruit juice in it instead of water, it's a long range high-velocity popsicles delivery system :-)
Wait, if i read your comment right, if something doesn't fall in a definition made by an AI it's not true anymore??? We're further gone than i thought...
I've played enough fallout to know that this is a cryolator with the long barrel conversion 😂 I've read some of the comments and I'd recommend the reverse cone shaped chamber with maybe a slightly larger opening on the ejection port and a riffled barrel that slightly tappers at the beginning to make sure the ice doesn't break apart inside. I'd also recommend reversing the polarity of the Pelztier elements to heat up the block, or having sort of jacketed chamber that you can pass a separately heated liquid (maybe heated using the same Peltzier elements) through quickly just to loosen the ice. Another idea would be to use teflon inside the chamber and remove the need entirely. Last thing I'd recommend would be to use another P element to keep the water reservoir cool. The closer it already is to freezing, the faster it will freeze. Maybe set up a small venturi line that takes in air or some gas that compresses so that when the water freezes it has room to expand. Can't wait to se V2!
Just as info for folk who think PVC is a risk for storing air: Have for over a dozen years been using Schedule 40 1/2" PVC pipe as air delivery in my garage, as suggested by the hardware store guy. My compressor keeps the system at about 140 psi. At this size, Schedule 40 has a rated capacity of 600 psi, printed right on the pipe, which at ~15 psi to the bar, I make to be approximately 40 bar. 3/4" can contain 480 psi, and as the size goes up, the pressure contained goes down. The few times I've had failures, it's been separated or broken joints. A crack/break in a joint is, well, a leak. A separated joint COULD result in a length of pipe becoming a projectile, if it was secured only at that joint. Generally, it's secured at an opposite end, and clamped to a surface. The strength of the pipe itself generally doesn't apply to fittings; solvent ball valves, for instance, are rated to about 150 psi. The solvent adhesive, if you have a good joint, is about as strong as the pipe; to get the best joint, you need a good mechanical fit, clean surfaces, primer solvent, and then the glue solvent, joints fully coated and pushed together with a twist. By color, I'd guess the PVC in the video to be the even stronger Schedule 80, although I can't see to be sure. The itty-bitty air pump, if taken from SOME portable emergency tire pumps, MIGHT have a max (advertsed) pressure of 225 psi. Regardless of what projectile you launch with 150 psi (~10 bar) or more behind it, a) it will NOT travel as fast as a bullet, but b) you will NOT want to be hit by it. If sharp, could penetrate too far to be good for you. Ice, properly formed and frozen hard, would make a wonderful projectile. And, of course, leave no significant ballistic evidence. I suppose dry ice would be similar in those ways.
It takes about 12-15 minutes to freeze each ice projectile inside the gun. Pre-preparing ice bullets was an option, but I wanted to see if the gun could handle the whole process itself-glad you enjoyed the approach!
It is not a water gun, it is most definately an ice gun. That said, is it *better* than a water gun? It definately is an impressive feat of engineering that I haven't seen done before! Well done!
@jankauza8694 True, it starts as water but turns into ice just before firing. It’s like the gun has its own mini ice-making factory! What would make it feel like a true “100% ice gun” to you?
True, loading ready-made ice bullets would definitely take away some of the fun! There’s something satisfying about the whole ice-making process happening right inside the gun. Keeps it a bit more “DIY,” don’t you think?
Ya know... That's a lot easier than how I did it as a kid lmao. I'd use my hands to melt and compress the surface until I had a super dense ball of ice. Though I usually didn't throw those at people. I used them to knock down the snow walls we'd make for cover.
Thanks! This is truly a unique and super cool toy. Maybe in version 2, you could use an electrical motor to spin a cylinder( like spin launch) with centrifugal force to eject the ice. It would get rig of the air compression and you would only be limited by battery. Stay awesome and keep engineering those concepts.👍
Instead of the pvc pipe you could use a standard metal water pipe. Add a 200-300 bar reservoir, a quick loading valve for an external dive tank and maybe a stainless barrel. Springload a hugh pressure valve to the trigger. Boom, you have a proper NUG.
That sounds intense! Upgrading to metal components with a high-pressure reservoir and dive tank setup would turn this into a serious piece of tech. A stainless steel barrel and spring-loaded high-pressure valve on the trigger would definitely take it to the next level. “NUG” sounds about right-this would be a next-level Nerf upgrade! 😆 Ever built anything like this yourself?
Instead of using the heating rods you can just flip the polarity of the current of the thermo block which you used to make ice it will no longer need extra material and also help in making more bullets for the next round faster as the other side will be colder already to exchange heat
This device is the same reason that case less ammunition is not mainstream. Virtually untraceable. I admire your hard work and dedication to solving the problem. Excellent work. Brilliant actually.
You may be able to avoid the heat cycle if you made the freeze chamber cone shaped with the small end out the back. Anodizing it may also help. I would also water cool the petliers hot side with water from reservoir. Then air cool the water reservoir.
That’s a smart approach! A cone-shaped freeze chamber could make it easier for the ice to pop out without needing to heat it up. And combining water cooling for the Peltier with air cooling for the reservoir sounds like it’d boost efficiency. Have you used this kind of cooling setup before?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I have not, but CPU water coolers should be easy enough to find. Going back and looking at the design you would also want to put a draft angle in the small water inlet and outlet holes in the direction of flow. You would also want to try and insolate the larger water inlet and outlet holes to try to prevent them from freezing. Maybe cutting a ring around them down far enough so they still have enough support would do the trick.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations My initial thought was to use the TEC waste heat for steam generation, skipping the compressor entirely. I haven't run any feasibility calculations for this, but food for thought. It's simple enough to add a resistive heater to supplement the TEC if needed. Obviously your pressure vessel needs to change if it's holding hot gas, but there should be a lot more space and weight budget without an air compressor.
Very creative. How about, instead of freezing water, you add a gelling-agent, making it a slime-gun :) I wonder if that could keep the water-projectile from splitting up during flight. OR Encapsulate the water-projectile in a miniature water-balloon ... a thin rubber membrane of some sort.
Haha, “Lethal Condom Gun” might just be the funniest twist yet! 😂 It’s amazing how one project can spark so many hilarious ideas. Thanks for the laughs, everyone-who knew tech could be this entertaining? 😆
Please try this with an air gun tank next!! Like the ones with 3000+ psi, also use a high flow valve, they usually need a high voltage capacitor discharge circuit to trigger, but can dump insane amounts of air very fast, used in airguns
If you're ever going to make an improved version - consider having a much smaller,but well insulated water tank. (Your rifle does not use much water either way) That way the "bullets" could be frozen much faster inside your "chamber" It could be cooled to hold water a few degrees above freezing point
Why not take this one step further. Laser cool one water molecule to near absolute zero, then accelerate it to near light speed -- would def be a fun toy to see how far it shoots!
You could use a teflon layer inside the ice chamber so you dont have to heat it again, or you could let the steel chamber vibrate to make the ice pellet lose.
Thats pretty cool, but knowing the cooling capabilities of such TECs, cycling must take like 15 minutes xD Sadly there is no vapor compression refrigiration on this scale Edit: Hold up! Turns out there is! Rigid HVAC sells some absolutely tiny compressors with brushless motors! You would just need to connect a radiator, an expansion valve and some copper piping and then fill it with refrigirant.
Good catch on the TEC limitations! The cycle time is definitely a challenge. Those Rigid HVAC compressors sound like a next-level solution-imagine the cooling power with a mini vapor compression setup! Might actually cut that cooldown by a huge margin. Ever worked with those tiny compressors before?
@@engineer0239 Haha, Hyperspace Pirate has some great content! Vapor compression on this scale is definitely a big ask. If only we could scale down those systems to fit in a handheld device-imagine the possibilities! Do you think there’s any chance we’ll see tech like that become more accessible?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations You could use Joule Thompson or evaporative cooling with Nitrous oxide. You could also use the same gas reservoir as the propellant. You can also use the same pressure to fill your chamber, close the exit port and pressurise your tank to two atmospheres and it will fill the chamber and compress all the trapped air into the overflow port. All you need is a few valves and a reservoir to store one shot of gas (so it can expand faster than boiling when fired).. I don't think you would need to heat the chamber to release the slug. Having a 1% taper would break it free, once moving it will deform to the size of the barrel easily. Nitrous oxide cylinders come in many sizes these days for restaurant cream whippers and drag racing cars.
Wow. I dreamed up design just like this - without any real engineering knowledge - when I was about 12-years-old playing Warhammer 40K tabletop... Really nice to see that you managed to build this in REAL life! Truly amazing. I would call it an H²O gun, rather than a water gun, because water is usually defined as liquid...
You might consider reshaping the interior channel where the ice is formed, and rifling the barrel. Since you are making the ice on demand, you can shape it as you wish to make the bullet more aerodynamic and rifle the barrel to impart spin on the projectile. This will keep the projectile stable at longer distances and reshaping the ice to be more shaped like a bullet may increase muzzle velocity and would reduce air resistance by making the projectile more aerodynamic. Source: my first job was as a gunsmith, i grew up in a military family in the southeastern US.
Fair point! Frozen water definitely shifts it into a whole different category. Maybe “ice blaster” or “frozen projectile launcher” is more fitting. Got any suggestions for a better name?
That definition is censored and doesn't talk about riot water cannons or water cutting machines, all of which are water guns but not pc enough for shat gpt
Haha, imagine the “ice division” in action! Jokes aside, I’m glad you enjoyed the project! It was a blast to make. Got any ideas on what other crazy “water gun” concepts could be fun to try?
@@robertsmith2956 unless you have large heavily armored water trucks with battleship cannons on top of them with a wide wheelbase that prevents falling over.
I love the design! Gorgeous and clever. How did this attract CIA, or was that a joke? I don't think of it as a water gun, more of an ice pellet gun, and yes, I know, ice is the solid state of water, but water guns (as playful toys to shoot at people safely) use liquid water (at non dangerous temperatures), not steam or ice. As your chat-AI said "6. Safety: unlike firearms, water guns are meant for innocent, playful interactions, making them popular as toys."
Haha, true! It’s like the “heavy weapon” of water fights-high impact but with that strategic cooldown. Just imagine everyone’s reaction when they see it in action! Would you actually bring this beast to a water fight?
I'd argue otherwise. It isn't going to do anything more than bruise someone... unless it hits them in the eye. It's essentially comparable, at close range at least, to an airsoft replica or paintball marker. It would only be safe as long as everyone was wearing face protection. Speaking of which, I'd love to see it chronoed. It's just a top of my head guess but... I'd say somewhere between 250 and 350 fps? Of course, that's a pretty large range and I could be way off in either direction.
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed the concept-and yeah, those Peltier elements really add a unique twist to the design. Ever experimented with them yourself?
@ConceptCraftedCreations yes several times. I remember the first one I ever came across was in a 12 volt cooler. I played with it, and it condensed the water out of the air. After that I went to ebay and bought 10 large ones. I love that you can pull energy from them or supply energy to them. I used a couple in projects. One was as a cold substrate plate in my RfCVD unit. It's also fun to add them to a sterling cycle. Basically, the better the temperature gradient, the more energy you can get from the heat and cold of the environment. They are great for so many reasons. They are used on satellites that use radio isotope telescope to convert the thermal energy from the radioactive source. It's called a telescope because it's really a giant boom to keep the source away from the sensitive equipment. I've layered pyrolitic graphite onto one side with cvd and improved the efficiency 8 percent. If I had used cvd polycrystalline diamond coat, I'm sure it would have been even more impressive. Their nifty little solid state devices and are cheap to make. They could have uses that could generate power in ways that aren't intuitive. 🙂
@ConceptCraftedCreations Yes, I have. I pulled one out of a 12v cooler manny years ago and condensed moisture out of the air. After that, I bought 10 of them off eBay. I've used them as a solid state cold plate for CVD work in my vacuum chamber. They are really effective when the temperature gradient is high. They have been around for a long time. The first time I heard of them was from a friend who worked at JPL. They use them on satellites that use a radio isotope telescope. It generates electricity from the heat of the radioactive source and the cold vacuum of space. They are truly wonderful little device's.
@@friskydingo5370 That’s incredible! It’s amazing to see how versatile Peltier elements can be, especially with applications as advanced as CVD work in a vacuum chamber. Using them in space with a radioisotope power source must be next-level in terms of efficiency. Do you still use them in any of your current projects?
>Includes heating elements >Forgets that peltier modules are reversible Too bad we didn't get to see the ice making in action out of the gun ! The outer design is very nice by the way.
Reversing the Peltier modules for melting could definitely work! I’ll keep that in mind for future upgrades. And how would you have liked to see the ice-making process?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Well, you will need an H bridge, or two relays and be careful, but I think it will work better. As for the ice making, I think that just a short video of you putting water in the chamber (even by hand) and then opening the cylinder to extract the ice would have been nice. It also helps "feeling" how fast the icing happens = ) You put a lot of engineering in this, better show it off ^^
Absolutely amazing, definitely one of the cooler engineering projects ive seen out there! Any chance you'll release the stuff we need to make this ourselves?
maybe it would count as an air soft gun, but seems like a fun gadget, get a camel back and a power bank in your back pack and you could have a whole lot of ammo
Haha, they'll be looking for a while! This "ice bullet" leaves no trace-just melts away. Perfect stealth mode! Ever thought of other creative uses for something like this?
There's an episode in the "bones" police TV show where someone uses a blood bullet to try to kill someone, and they barely were able to find the criminal that did so
That’s an awesome idea! Using the hot side to create steam pressure could turn this into a steam-powered ice blaster with insane force. A piston-driven mechanism would definitely launch the ice at high speeds. Have you seen this concept used in other projects?
@ConceptCraftedCreations no never seen it done but i thought since you already have waste heat it might be possible to use it somehow if you already have water, steam canons do exist but they fire long rods grapple hooks at around 280 m/s
Interesting thought! Repurposing the waste heat for steam propulsion would be a clever way to increase efficiency. And 280 m/s for grapple hooks is seriously impressive-imagine the speed we could reach with a lightweight ice projectile! Think it’s worth a test run?
@final_catalyst Fascinating idea! Creating an “ice shell” by using the right mineral mix sounds like an intriguing way to boost the projectile’s stability. Do you think this could help maximize the impact or even increase the range?
Awesome design, very cool project! Love it! Perfect for popping those balloons at the carnival.....Really smart design, love the cooler with heaters on the block, ingenious design.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations No no you fill your reservoir with water and let the compressor pump in his air. If it explodes you only get wet insteat of having to pull out PVC from your chest (and the test is quicker this way). I guess it's irrelevant for this project, but if you like look up how to pressure test a miniature steam boiler or a waterrocket!
Great tip! Using water as a safer way to pressure test makes total sense-definitely less risk of flying PVC pieces if something goes wrong. I’ll look into those methods for future projects. Appreciate the safety advice!
You're absolutely right about that! A better comparison might be the quote I got here locally for the same parts and to my surprise it was almost $200 more expensive there😯
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I am not saying PCB Way isn't offering compelling price models. And you're probably bound to sell it properly, but objectively 200+ is a huge amount of money for presumably most of your viewers. So putting it in context would've been more approachable for most of them.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I didn't mean to criticise in any way, nor do I want you to answer in a way detrimental to your sponsors. I was merely making a joke.
I would use the "stuck" ice pellet as a pressure check thing for those vaccum guns. Where you would create a vacuum and then pop the membrane in the front to shoot out the projectile. But this time make it the other way around, create a shit ton of pressure until the pellet breaks free and shoots out!
That’s a solid idea! Using the ice pellet as a sort of “pressure release” would definitely add some extra punch to the shot. Reversing the vacuum gun concept to build up pressure and then release it all at once sounds intense! Ever thought about building something like this yourself?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Ya seriously though, it would have been very easy to stand further away, or behind some barrier. Even though it's compressed air, it can still go boom and ruin your day.
@@Chris-oj7ro and then he puts it next to his eyes in that gun. Would be so easy to make it with propper pressure rating. Steel pipes come to mind, he wouldnt even needed those fancy machined caps. But very cool project otherwise.
Good points! Safety is definitely a priority with compressed air and PVC. Steel pipes would be a much safer choice with the higher pressure rating-probably the way to go if I revisit the design. Appreciate the feedback, and glad you enjoyed the project overall!
Perhaps try a liquid with a higher freezing point. Another idea would be to use compounds like sodium polyacrylate to customize the properties of the water without using alternative liquids. A third idea is to integrate a small cryogenic cooler to boost the electric coolers and remove the heat faster. Given a material and design with high enough thermal conductivity, a very small amount of a cryogenic substance such as liquid nitrogen or solid CO² could be utilized by controlling the pressure of the cooling circuit, without the need for an evaporator or condenser.
What immediately came to mind upon reading the title of this video and the "CIA" reference (and with all it suggested), and then watching the build and test-firing was, "Will the ice bullets, if they are able to be projected at enough power for a long-distance target, encounter enough friction to generate heat and begin to melt?" My guess is, that at least the factor of air temperature at the moment of firing (a 20° F day vs an 80° day) would be a great influence. An utterly fantastic build.
would make more sense to use a barrel chambering mechanism that's separate from the magazine chamber, in this way only the barrel chamber needs to be cooled and you don't have to worry about the magazine chamber clutching from ice. You already use cyclic pieces in the mag chamber, just eject the water from the cyclic piece closest to the barrel to create a natural thermal wall of air. Would allow for chambering shots to be ONLY limited to how quickly the water can be cooled to ice, rather than cooled + re-heated. Firearms are very well developed, there's no need to try and re-invent the wheel just because you're using a different material, just have to go about it differently. Damn cool video though!
here's an idea! Create an electret out of ice by freezing it under high voltage differential, then use a rail gun design to shoot the ice _even faster_
I was thinking a railgun design seemed very promising. But you could use normal ice with non-magnetic projectile designs, namely using a "cup" type shape that is propelled by the railgun rather than the projectile itself, which can launch anything regardless of how it interacts with magnets - even wood or something should in theory work fine. The cup is then reset and the chamber refilled and it's ready to fire again! This could possibly help prevent water lingering in the barrel which could interfere with the rails as well.
my boy is dutch for sure love my fellow "nederlanders" getting far for such a small country we do make alot of crazy stuff. thats for your contribution to it *salutes*
I love the engineering behind it - incredible. Yeah, I can see someone at least having a conversation with you LOL! ~ This is Rober level stuff which is VERY cool.
On you ice block, the two restricting arms that keep your rotating cylinder valves from over extending, instead of having them rotate in opposite directions, you could have them rotate the same direction, and have the restricting arms tied together with a linkage. This way the two motors would be working together to perform the same work, as opposed to working independently to do the same work. They two motors can help each other. About heating the block to un-stick the ice pellet, you could do away with the heating element and just reverse the polarity of the peltier, It will function backwards, adding heat into the block. Perhaps this might not work as fast as the heating element though, but it could be worth exploring to reduce the complexity and size of the ice block and the control systems. I'd also recommend a very slight smear of thermal grease on both sides of the peltier to improve thermal conductivity. With the o-rings, there are standardized ways to use them in a much better way. Instead of having them pressed against a surface to act as a gasket, you could use them as actual o-rings by having them in a groove on the mandrel. There are sizing charts online that you can use to determine optimal o-ring size, fitment gap, and groove dimensions. The indicator/status lights on the side is super cool, but I think it could be very useful to have at least one light with the same purpose on the rear of the weapon, so the shooter can see it while wielding it. Since ballistics would be an obvious issue with something like this, could also be cool to add a ballistic computer and cheap range finder into the optic to help you place the shots more accurately at various distances. You could do the same with a ballistic reticle and some experimentation to come up with your own drop chart, but ... a computerized optic would be cooler. Definitely an awesome thing you made!
Not finished the video yet, but.. Awesome. Just wanted to say, you can reinforce that PVC by wrapping it with copper wire. Know you are using it as a tank but in world war 2. People in the Philippines would make their own blunderbuss, muzzleloader shotgun, by just using any metallic pipe, then wrapping it with copper wire to keep it from exploding.. works.
Very cool design! FYI - you could also use a Stery LG110 air rifle reservoir with a pressure regulator to precisely set your output PSI. It would be safer than your homemade reservoir and you could get many shots from one air tank as it will allow you to fill to 3000 PSI. Good luck with the design. Thanks for sharing! 👍
Ahhh ice bullets. No wonder you can shatter glass with a single shot and not a jetstream. Honestly a cool design but this just makes this even more dangerous than airsoft or paintball.
I'm in games programming, so my thinking may not translate to mechanical engineering all that great, but here goes. An idea for a possible v2: Split the factory and the barrel and have the factory make ice for a magazine that can store them. If you produce one ice block every 10 minutes, you could walk around with it for 30 minutes and have three shots ready to go. That basically sounds like a pretty cool mechanic for a game even. I'm also guessing that you could form the ice to shapes that travel better through the air than just cylinders. Give them a spike in front and a sort of tail in the back and they probably both travel straighter and penetrate better on hit. This would probably increase the complexity of the project quite significantly though.
Thanks🙌 And that's a solid suggestion! Insulating the block could definitely speed up the freezing process. Any particular insulation material you'd recommend?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations You're limited on space, so it would have to be something that doesn't rely on air gaps or thickness. Maybe closed cell foam of some sort. If you can shrink the aluminum block, that would also make freezing faster.
1:16 this is my first time watching this channel. I saw the language and Immediately knew it was Dutch. I’ve only had around ~100 days of Duolingo Dutch. I went straight to the channel description and saw Netherlands. I’m honestly proud of myself for spotting that it was Dutch!
That’s impressive! Duolingo must be working wonders for you. Spotting Dutch after just 100 days is no small feat-well done! Have you been learning Dutch for fun, or is there a specific reason behind it?🤓
The state of Dihydrogen Monoxide is always so important we gave them each their own name: Ice, Water & Steam. So no, that is not a Water Gun that is an Ice Gun.
For me personally, i was a bit disappointed when realize, that you would be using ice. But when i realize that you going to make an ice inside of a gun my mind changed! I think it definitely inbetween, but it can be stretch to water gun because it uses water as ammunition. Great job!
It is most certainly a water gun, it uses water, just in a frozen state. Some may call it an ice gun, but ice is water. This is definitely not a toy water gun or squirt gun. It is a lethal weapon using compressed air and WATER.
Just add another heating element to the trigger interface Add one safety catch to the heating interface Second add another barrel filled with super cold nitrogen. The ice when solidified to become pellets The push of the safety will melt the ice on the outer layer of pellet whilst pushing the pellet into the shooting chamber. Another safety catch will fill and in reverse push the super cooled nitrogen / oxygen / helium - or whatever substance works for super cooling to harden to extreme levels. The pellet inside the shooting chamber with its outer layer melted can be given a fine needle point with some precision chambering engineering. The trigger when pulled will shoot out the super cooled pellet to even go through glass wood or other materials as well. A perfect water gun.
you should consider using the water itself to help cool the thermocouples, might be faster and "liquid cooling" is neat, and might even allow a sleeker design.
Try Pykrete, "Pykrete is a frozen composite of water and wood pulp that's strong, durable, and floats on water: " During WW2 the UK seriously considered it for making an aircraft carrier, they went as far to build large scale models
Wow this is so cool. It's unbelievable what guys will just slap together in their garage. I imagine you have a friend over and casually drop "wanna check out my ice gun that creates its own ammo," and you don't even bat an eye 😂
That’s an ice rifle 😮 insane it pulls the water in and freezes like that all self contained. What a unique build. How does the ice not just explode into a mist soon as it comes out
@ConceptCraftedCreations aye, understandable. Still, would be cool to be able to order it from overseas. But heck, laws around such things are gonna be troublesome. Cuz of course we can't have nice things because of psychos who'd use this awesome thing to hurt people.
It’s definitely a shame that cool ideas can get overshadowed by potential misuse. Still, part of the fun in DIY projects is making something unique that you can’t just buy anywhere.
Test it on ballistics gel
Great idea! Testing it on ballistics gel would definitely show its impact power in a fun way. I might just give it a shot! What else would you be curious to see it tested on?
exactly my thought :)
Seems like ballistics gel is a popular choice! It’d definitely be satisfying to see the impact in slow motion. Any other materials or tests you think would show off its power even better?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Various fruits and vegtables or piece of meat are always entertaining targets. :D
Great idea! Fruits, veggies, and even pieces of meat would definitely make for some entertaining (and messy) tests. Slow-mo on those impacts could be pretty epic! Any specific type of fruit or veggie you think would be the most satisfying to see get blasted? 🍉🍏
To keep this thing off the radar of ATF, I would call it a short-range ice dispenser.
Good idea. In its current form, it doesn't have much power, being so far as I can tell on par with some of the more energetic airsoft replicas. But ATF has a long history of ignoring the minor detail that it's Congress that makes the laws, not the ATF and arbitrarily declaring things to be illegal with no actual authority to do so. I would not be at all surprised if ATF decided that the ice rifle looked scary and people were having too much fun and something had to be done.
He might be able to avoid some trouble by not painting it black, though. Black would make it scarier and, therefore, more dangerous. Oh, and not putting a folding stock on it. Folding stocks make things more dangerous too, well known fact.
I don't think he needs to worry about ATF.
@@ericatkinson5433folding stocks improve the lethality by about 73,82 %, everyone knows that!
@@mobiljobe If he has a dog or children he does. They don't care about things like laws or borders.
The term "Firearms" doesn't apply to a water gun.
"lets test if the pvc pipe will explode" *stands right next to it*
Same thing I thought. He would of got crazy shrapnel to the gut if that would of exploded.
@@A.Dubski8713 at least it was a high work surface😮😊
That was my favorite part as well . Hey what a few shards of PVC going to harm.
That is a very elegant method of sealing a pipe.
Yeah it seems this guy has the age old genius ideas balanced by no common sense dilemma.
Also just because it works once, doesn't mean it won't blow apart after repeated stress, and eventually the material strength is compromised. This guy is clearly smart in some areas, and lacking in a few others. Seems like there was some better choices then using pvc. I mean if you get build the end pieces out of metal, why not also make make a metal sleeve inside the pvc pipe, that way you get a doubling of both strengths to ensure it won't even give. Just add a stainless steel cylinder, or a stainless steel sleeve to the pvc pipe. Either is infinitely better than just pvc pipe...
Like many other commenters, I’m gonna have to tell you to not use pvc pipe as pressure vessel. Use steel or at least brass pipe. Also, if not mistaken, you can power the thermoelectric junctions in reverse and thereby get your melting point perfectly in’s sync with your trigger. Make a sequence like this; trigger should have several “points” of action. First part of trigger action=freeze, second level=thaw, final level = activate all valves to release the “bullet”. You can have indicator lights to let you know what exactly you’re doing at any point in the cycle.
You should add fine sawdust to the ice. This will make the 'bullets' 20x stronger.
Interesting suggestion!🤓 Sawdust could definitely add some structural strength to the ice. Have you experimented with this before, or is this a new idea?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations it is a long known fact about ice and sawdust.
@@AlexanderSverdlov The british tried to build a ship in WW2 with sawdust & Ice mix being cooled by refrigeration lines to save cost of steel. They called the material as PYKRETE.
i bet you would add pebbles to your "snowballs" in a fight too?! -.- shame!
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I'm not saying do this, but what would happen if you replaced the water with mercury or a low temperature alloy? 🤔
Everyone hates when i bring blocks of ice to a water fight
😂
😂
The equivalent of a rock in a snowball
Like the guys that would dip their snow balls in water and let them freeze. They hurt!
Hahahah
so, you created a gun with untraceable bullets.. who you planning to kill?
I checked the list and my mother-in-law tops the list currently😅
@@ConceptCraftedCreations WHY??????😱😱😱
@@ConceptCraftedCreationswe can all relate to that 😂
lmao
Haha, glad to see everyone has a sense of humor about this! 😂 Don’t worry, my “untraceable bullets” are strictly for harmless fun… and maybe some mother-in-law jokes on the side. Anyone else have a target in mind? 😆
As everyone else have already pointed out, its an ice rifle and it is indeed a perfect assassination tool
But are ice rifles already a thing or would this be the first one in that category?😋
@@ConceptCraftedCreations pretty sure the CIA had one long ago. It could inject poisons with ice projectiles
What makes a rifle is the riffling, so arguably most modern pistols are rifles and this gun is not.
How many firearm enthusiasts is this going to irritate?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations the cia has an ice pistol that contained shellfish toxin that fades pretty quickly. vrymsmall projectile to basically no wound. practically a modern day poison dart tube.
@@marvinmurphy5523 rifling is only part of the classifications, meaning that you are half correct, most modern pistols are closer to being a rifle than this ice gun would be a more accurate statement
That'll be amazing on a hot day when a mate needs some ice in his drink. "Can I have a snipe of ice, please?"
I'm reasonably sure the fountain of glass shards would put a damper on his enthusiasm pretty damn quickly.
Were you not looking when the glasses exploded?😊
Goes and sits at the FAR END of the bar from you.
You’re a freaking genius dude, holy crap 🫨
4:04 no pressure gage no safety , you’re a madman 😂
It’s a pipe bomb
"I would like to see if this 3bars rated pvc pipe will explode under 10bars of pressure"
* Proceed to put his face at 50cm without any screen protection *
@@vladidiazkutchov287, he did have a lighted cig prepared though
@@AlexBuznik good point everybody know that if you have a camera or a lit cigarette in your hand you become invincible
lets see if it burst and shot a shard into my gut, thats why it is importent to stand right next to it!
Holy fucking shit dude. I would not have stood there as your pressure tested that pvc. Pvc shatters when it fails and makes shrapnel. It's incredibly dangerous. I love everything else but I was screaming at that part. Stay safe ❤️
Totally get where you’re coming from! PVC under high pressure is no joke, and it’s definitely a safety risk if it fails. I’ll be extra cautious in the future and maybe switch to safer materials for pressure testing. Appreciate the concern and advice-safety first! ❤️
Was thinking the same thing, holy shit lol. Could've ended up with shrapnel wounds!
@ConceptCraftedCreations and as I said in a different comment the shrapnel doesn't show up on x-rays so it is very difficult to get fixed up at the hospital.
Is it worth maybe wrapping it in some sort of carbon
@@sheriffoftiltover I was worried the metal parts on either end would fly across the room would fly like bullets from a real gun!
Calling this a water gun is like calling a nuke a box full of rocks
Haha, that’s one way to put it! This might be a little overkill for a “water gun,” but sometimes it’s fun to push boundaries. Any ideas for the next “extreme” project?
@@ConceptCraftedCreationsIce Trebuchet.
I would call this an "airsoft" gun. It uses air pressure to propel a solid, non-metallic projectile.
It shoots water. You're not bright.
@@vincentrobinette1507air soft??? More like airhard!
11:13 "Armor hit, deflection! Target still standing!" 😅
4:00 There had better be water in that pipe when testing, tank pressure testing is called hydrostatic testing for a reason.
To make a better tank, maybe use tightly wrapped surfboard fiberglass in epoxy around the pipe, especially the ends of the pipe. Then add a spring loaded limit valve to assure a pressure that is low enough.
It wont be filled with water its just for pressurised air to propel the ice. Although everything you said is correct otherwise.
@@Hurricayne92 When fabricating a pressure vessel, the first time you bring it up to pressure, you do a hydrostatic test with the vessel full of water with air as a source of pressure only at a pressure exceeding the maximum intended pressure substantially. This assures that first test is safe and all fills with air thereafter at the rated pressure are also safe.
I remember reading one of those classic "military fiction thriller books written by an ex soldier" type books about 20 years ago about a delta force squad in the arctic that had a type of gun where they put snow in a hopper at the top and it compressed it down into ice balls. the idea of that gun has lived rent free in my mind all that time as "thats such a cool idea"
this is basically that.
In "Deception Point" by Dan Brown there is a Delta Force Squad in the arctic which uses this technology.
@@felixkonig7273 it was implied to be Delta IIRC. All I know is that Delta won't be flying planes like on that one chapter that involves assassination of the false leads on who is behind the cover up, the villain, of the story.
also, Dan Brown was never a soldier
@@sliceofbread2611you mean like... Glass bullets?
@sliceofbread2611 so basically a sand blaster?
Beautiful and clever build. It doesn't fall within chatGPT's safety definition, so it's not a water gun anymore, but it's definitely an ice gun. Or if you put fruit juice in it instead of water, it's a long range high-velocity popsicles delivery system :-)
Haha😄 a "long range high-velocity popsicle delivery system" actually makes it sound like something that's pretty safe to use😋 Like it!
Wait, if i read your comment right, if something doesn't fall in a definition made by an AI it's not true anymore??? We're further gone than i thought...
@@DrTheRich My thoughts exactly. I'd say God help us, but I doubt even He could stop this madness. He'd sooner just wipe the slate clean.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations next time built a "long range high-velocity Pawpsicle delivery system" and sell it to Nick Wilde and Finnic
@@DrTheRich well, if people generally agree with the definition yeah. And that definition of pretty agreeable
Did you try reversing the polarity of the Pelztier elements to heat up the block? This would decrease the part count and complexity
No I haven't but will definitely give it a try today to see if it works😯
I love how this comment sounds like classic techno-babble, but it's not lol
did you just combine piezo and peltier elements into one word, or am I overthinking it?
Was about to comment that. It surely seems like it would work and make it simpler.
@@ConceptCraftedCreationsdid it work?
I've played enough fallout to know that this is a cryolator with the long barrel conversion 😂
I've read some of the comments and I'd recommend the reverse cone shaped chamber with maybe a slightly larger opening on the ejection port and a riffled barrel that slightly tappers at the beginning to make sure the ice doesn't break apart inside.
I'd also recommend reversing the polarity of the Pelztier elements to heat up the block, or having sort of jacketed chamber that you can pass a separately heated liquid (maybe heated using the same Peltzier elements) through quickly just to loosen the ice. Another idea would be to use teflon inside the chamber and remove the need entirely.
Last thing I'd recommend would be to use another P element to keep the water reservoir cool. The closer it already is to freezing, the faster it will freeze. Maybe set up a small venturi line that takes in air or some gas that compresses so that when the water freezes it has room to expand.
Can't wait to se V2!
Just as info for folk who think PVC is a risk for storing air:
Have for over a dozen years been using Schedule 40 1/2" PVC pipe as air delivery in my garage, as suggested by the hardware store guy.
My compressor keeps the system at about 140 psi.
At this size, Schedule 40 has a rated capacity of 600 psi, printed right on the pipe, which at ~15 psi to the bar, I make to be approximately 40 bar.
3/4" can contain 480 psi, and as the size goes up, the pressure contained goes down.
The few times I've had failures, it's been separated or broken joints. A crack/break in a joint is, well, a leak. A separated joint COULD result in a length of pipe becoming a projectile, if it was secured only at that joint. Generally, it's secured at an opposite end, and clamped to a surface.
The strength of the pipe itself generally doesn't apply to fittings; solvent ball valves, for instance, are rated to about 150 psi. The solvent adhesive, if you have a good joint, is about as strong as the pipe; to get the best joint, you need a good mechanical fit, clean surfaces, primer solvent, and then the glue solvent, joints fully coated and pushed together with a twist.
By color, I'd guess the PVC in the video to be the even stronger Schedule 80, although I can't see to be sure. The itty-bitty air pump, if taken from SOME portable emergency tire pumps, MIGHT have a max (advertsed) pressure of 225 psi. Regardless of what projectile you launch with 150 psi (~10 bar) or more behind it, a) it will NOT travel as fast as a bullet, but b) you will NOT want to be hit by it. If sharp, could penetrate too far to be good for you. Ice, properly formed and frozen hard, would make a wonderful projectile. And, of course, leave no significant ballistic evidence. I suppose dry ice would be similar in those ways.
How long does it take for the water to freeze? I thought you would pre-prepare the ice bullets but the way you made them inside the gun was genius.
It takes about 12-15 minutes to freeze each ice projectile inside the gun. Pre-preparing ice bullets was an option, but I wanted to see if the gun could handle the whole process itself-glad you enjoyed the approach!
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I'm also curious how you power the gun. A battery pack? A power cord? How much power does it consume?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations thanks for the answer i was wondering how long reload was
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Just increase the cooler size of the hot side. It will be much easier to cool
@@ConceptCraftedCreations it might be more efficient to spray some of the pressurized propellant over a heat exchanger tec are notoriously inefficient
It is not a water gun, it is most definately an ice gun. That said, is it *better* than a water gun? It definately is an impressive feat of engineering that I haven't seen done before! Well done!
Thanks!😎
you load water ,so it is not 100% ice gun.
@jankauza8694 True, it starts as water but turns into ice just before firing. It’s like the gun has its own mini ice-making factory! What would make it feel like a true “100% ice gun” to you?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations 100% ice gun would be way more boring, where you load ready ice bullets.
True, loading ready-made ice bullets would definitely take away some of the fun! There’s something satisfying about the whole ice-making process happening right inside the gun. Keeps it a bit more “DIY,” don’t you think?
My brother would dip his snow balls in water and let them freeze. He always won the "snow" ball fights.
😂
bruh, if i had one of those in a fight, i'd get a free ride on an ambulance for mine opponent.
I always pull out my snow balls and dip them in any liquid i see as well
Had same type memory from this, similar principal.
Ya know...
That's a lot easier than how I did it as a kid lmao.
I'd use my hands to melt and compress the surface until I had a super dense ball of ice.
Though I usually didn't throw those at people.
I used them to knock down the snow walls we'd make for cover.
1:37 "Purpose: it's designed to spray water for fun"
Thanks! This is truly a unique and super cool toy. Maybe in version 2, you could use an electrical motor to spin a cylinder( like spin launch) with centrifugal force to eject the ice. It would get rig of the air compression and you would only be limited by battery. Stay awesome and keep engineering those concepts.👍
Instead of the pvc pipe you could use a standard metal water pipe. Add a 200-300 bar reservoir, a quick loading valve for an external dive tank and maybe a stainless barrel. Springload a hugh pressure valve to the trigger. Boom, you have a proper NUG.
That sounds intense! Upgrading to metal components with a high-pressure reservoir and dive tank setup would turn this into a serious piece of tech. A stainless steel barrel and spring-loaded high-pressure valve on the trigger would definitely take it to the next level. “NUG” sounds about right-this would be a next-level Nerf upgrade! 😆 Ever built anything like this yourself?
You ain’t fooling me this is straight up a ChatGPT answer
What is a NUG?
NUG?
@@Th3-WhOwOl3y-TrEeNiT3a An Oh four dubbelya dubbelya nug ;) (MASH quote)
type: Sniper
Level: Legendary
damage: 999+
Cooldown time: 10-20 sec
no. of bullets: 1 per round
special ability: untraceable bullets
overall rating: 4.5 / 5 😎
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Instead of using the heating rods you can just flip the polarity of the current of the thermo block which you used to make ice it will no longer need extra material and also help in making more bullets for the next round faster as the other side will be colder already to exchange heat
We need to make a category of cryo projectile launchers. Because it belongs in that cool category!
This device is the same reason that case less ammunition is not mainstream. Virtually untraceable. I admire your hard work and dedication to solving the problem. Excellent work. Brilliant actually.
You may be able to avoid the heat cycle if you made the freeze chamber cone shaped with the small end out the back. Anodizing it may also help. I would also water cool the petliers hot side with water from reservoir. Then air cool the water reservoir.
That’s a smart approach! A cone-shaped freeze chamber could make it easier for the ice to pop out without needing to heat it up. And combining water cooling for the Peltier with air cooling for the reservoir sounds like it’d boost efficiency. Have you used this kind of cooling setup before?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I have not, but CPU water coolers should be easy enough to find. Going back and looking at the design you would also want to put a draft angle in the small water inlet and outlet holes in the direction of flow. You would also want to try and insolate the larger water inlet and outlet holes to try to prevent them from freezing. Maybe cutting a ring around them down far enough so they still have enough support would do the trick.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations My initial thought was to use the TEC waste heat for steam generation, skipping the compressor entirely. I haven't run any feasibility calculations for this, but food for thought. It's simple enough to add a resistive heater to supplement the TEC if needed. Obviously your pressure vessel needs to change if it's holding hot gas, but there should be a lot more space and weight budget without an air compressor.
I don't know how cantered (right word?) you would need the ice freezing chamber to ensure clean emptying, particularly given that it slightly expands.
Very creative.
How about, instead of freezing water, you add a gelling-agent, making it a slime-gun :)
I wonder if that could keep the water-projectile from splitting up during flight.
OR
Encapsulate the water-projectile in a miniature water-balloon ... a thin rubber membrane of some sort.
Thanks! And the Mythbusters tried shooting ice bullets a few years ago en actually ended up using slime instead!🤓
Lethal Condom gun 😂
@@hopefullyhigh This was so funny I couldn't hold in the laughter😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@hopefullyhigh That literally came to my mind and I opened the replies thinking nobody would have typed that! right? but here I am laughing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Haha, “Lethal Condom Gun” might just be the funniest twist yet! 😂 It’s amazing how one project can spark so many hilarious ideas. Thanks for the laughs, everyone-who knew tech could be this entertaining? 😆
Please try this with an air gun tank next!! Like the ones with 3000+ psi, also use a high flow valve, they usually need a high voltage capacitor discharge circuit to trigger, but can dump insane amounts of air very fast, used in airguns
I bet the bullet will disintegrate .. Would love to see.. But without a sabot it would be impossible I guess.
If you're ever going to make an improved version - consider having a much smaller,but well insulated water tank. (Your rifle does not use much water either way)
That way the "bullets" could be frozen much faster inside your "chamber"
It could be cooled to hold water a few degrees above freezing point
Why not take this one step further. Laser cool one water molecule to near absolute zero, then accelerate it to near light speed -- would def be a fun toy to see how far it shoots!
You could use a teflon layer inside the ice chamber so you dont have to heat it again, or you could let the steel chamber vibrate to make the ice pellet lose.
Would like to see some more thorough testing. Like shooting at plywood and/or ballistics gel.
I'd try to get some ballistics gel but couldn't find anyone who sold it here unfortunately🤔
Puncturing 1-inch plywood is seen as a general stand-in for whether something is lethal or not.
Thats pretty cool, but knowing the cooling capabilities of such TECs, cycling must take like 15 minutes xD
Sadly there is no vapor compression refrigiration on this scale
Edit: Hold up! Turns out there is! Rigid HVAC sells some absolutely tiny compressors with brushless motors!
You would just need to connect a radiator, an expansion valve and some copper piping and then fill it with refrigirant.
Good catch on the TEC limitations! The cycle time is definitely a challenge. Those Rigid HVAC compressors sound like a next-level solution-imagine the cooling power with a mini vapor compression setup! Might actually cut that cooldown by a huge margin. Ever worked with those tiny compressors before?
@ConceptCraftedCreations Sadly not. Not even with a full sized vapor compression system. I just watch hyperspace Pirate here on UA-cam 😂
@@engineer0239 Haha, Hyperspace Pirate has some great content! Vapor compression on this scale is definitely a big ask. If only we could scale down those systems to fit in a handheld device-imagine the possibilities! Do you think there’s any chance we’ll see tech like that become more accessible?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Responding to comments is cool, but not when it’s obviously just chatGPT. Really?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations You could use Joule Thompson or evaporative cooling with Nitrous oxide. You could also use the same gas reservoir as the propellant. You can also use the same pressure to fill your chamber, close the exit port and pressurise your tank to two atmospheres and it will fill the chamber and compress all the trapped air into the overflow port.
All you need is a few valves and a reservoir to store one shot of gas (so it can expand faster than boiling when fired)..
I don't think you would need to heat the chamber to release the slug. Having a 1% taper would break it free, once moving it will deform to the size of the barrel easily.
Nitrous oxide cylinders come in many sizes these days for restaurant cream whippers and drag racing cars.
Welp, at this point its no more a water gun, but more Icicle rifle
Wow. I dreamed up design just like this - without any real engineering knowledge - when I was about 12-years-old playing Warhammer 40K tabletop...
Really nice to see that you managed to build this in REAL life!
Truly amazing.
I would call it an H²O gun, rather than a water gun, because water is usually defined as liquid...
You might consider reshaping the interior channel where the ice is formed, and rifling the barrel. Since you are making the ice on demand, you can shape it as you wish to make the bullet more aerodynamic and rifle the barrel to impart spin on the projectile. This will keep the projectile stable at longer distances and reshaping the ice to be more shaped like a bullet may increase muzzle velocity and would reduce air resistance by making the projectile more aerodynamic.
Source: my first job was as a gunsmith, i grew up in a military family in the southeastern US.
Once water is frozen into a solid, it ceases to be a water gun.
Fair point! Frozen water definitely shifts it into a whole different category. Maybe “ice blaster” or “frozen projectile launcher” is more fitting. Got any suggestions for a better name?
@@ConceptCraftedCreationsice AKal
frozen water is still water.
That definition is censored and doesn't talk about riot water cannons or water cutting machines, all of which are water guns but not pc enough for shat gpt
You've got a good point! And those are way more powerful than my creation!😯
Water cutting machines rely on an abrasive powder to cut
"shat gpt" too true
@@jangchief water cannons are cannons, not guns. Nobody ever, on either side of a water cannon, called it a gun, ever.
If water guns were used in the military:
Jokes aside- this project was amazing, excellent work!
Haha, imagine the “ice division” in action! Jokes aside, I’m glad you enjoyed the project! It was a blast to make. Got any ideas on what other crazy “water gun” concepts could be fun to try?
It would be a wacky concept to make a gun that uses water balloons for ammo- don't know how it would work but it would be a good video nonetheless!
Ice needs water. Where the soldiers are doesn't have water. We lose.
@@robertsmith2956 unless you have large heavily armored water trucks with battleship cannons on top of them with a wide wheelbase that prevents falling over.
@@jackindustriesanimates Your forgetting the eco nuts want electric tanks. water and electricity don't play well together.
I love the design! Gorgeous and clever. How did this attract CIA, or was that a joke? I don't think of it as a water gun, more of an ice pellet gun, and yes, I know, ice is the solid state of water, but water guns (as playful toys to shoot at people safely) use liquid water (at non dangerous temperatures), not steam or ice. As your chat-AI said "6. Safety: unlike firearms, water guns are meant for innocent, playful interactions, making them popular as toys."
Really nice work, looks like it’s straight out of overwatch, it’s got that retro future feel
Thanks! And i kind of went for that future look so i guess it worked out😎
if that’s what you went for, then I would say yeah, you did manage it
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hits hard hits far but has a long cooldown
this is actually balanced enough to bring to a water fight
Haha, true! It’s like the “heavy weapon” of water fights-high impact but with that strategic cooldown. Just imagine everyone’s reaction when they see it in action! Would you actually bring this beast to a water fight?
I'd argue otherwise. It isn't going to do anything more than bruise someone... unless it hits them in the eye. It's essentially comparable, at close range at least, to an airsoft replica or paintball marker. It would only be safe as long as everyone was wearing face protection.
Speaking of which, I'd love to see it chronoed. It's just a top of my head guess but... I'd say somewhere between 250 and 350 fps? Of course, that's a pretty large range and I could be way off in either direction.
@@ericatkinson5433 wimp
Thanks! Incredible concept. Amazing creation 👍 Nice use of the pelter genarators. 👌
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed the concept-and yeah, those Peltier elements really add a unique twist to the design. Ever experimented with them yourself?
@ConceptCraftedCreations yes several times. I remember the first one I ever came across was in a 12 volt cooler. I played with it, and it condensed the water out of the air. After that I went to ebay and bought 10 large ones. I love that you can pull energy from them or supply energy to them. I used a couple in projects. One was as a cold substrate plate in my RfCVD unit. It's also fun to add them to a sterling cycle. Basically, the better the temperature gradient, the more energy you can get from the heat and cold of the environment. They are great for so many reasons. They are used on satellites that use radio isotope telescope to convert the thermal energy from the radioactive source. It's called a telescope because it's really a giant boom to keep the source away from the sensitive equipment. I've layered pyrolitic graphite onto one side with cvd and improved the efficiency 8 percent. If I had used cvd polycrystalline diamond coat, I'm sure it would have been even more impressive. Their nifty little solid state devices and are cheap to make. They could have uses that could generate power in ways that aren't intuitive. 🙂
@ConceptCraftedCreations Yes, I have. I pulled one out of a 12v cooler manny years ago and condensed moisture out of the air. After that, I bought 10 of them off eBay. I've used them as a solid state cold plate for CVD work in my vacuum chamber. They are really effective when the temperature gradient is high. They have been around for a long time. The first time I heard of them was from a friend who worked at JPL. They use them on satellites that use a radio isotope telescope. It generates electricity from the heat of the radioactive source and the cold vacuum of space. They are truly wonderful little device's.
@@friskydingo5370 That’s incredible! It’s amazing to see how versatile Peltier elements can be, especially with applications as advanced as CVD work in a vacuum chamber. Using them in space with a radioisotope power source must be next-level in terms of efficiency. Do you still use them in any of your current projects?
@ConceptCraftedCreations yes my cvd unit had electrical feed through, so it's easy to use it as a heater or cooler by flipping the voltage.
>Includes heating elements
>Forgets that peltier modules are reversible
Too bad we didn't get to see the ice making in action out of the gun !
The outer design is very nice by the way.
Reversing the Peltier modules for melting could definitely work! I’ll keep that in mind for future upgrades. And how would you have liked to see the ice-making process?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations
Well, you will need an H bridge, or two relays and be careful, but I think it will work better.
As for the ice making, I think that just a short video of you putting water in the chamber (even by hand) and then opening the cylinder to extract the ice would have been nice.
It also helps "feeling" how fast the icing happens = )
You put a lot of engineering in this, better show it off ^^
Absolutely amazing, definitely one of the cooler engineering projects ive seen out there!
Any chance you'll release the stuff we need to make this ourselves?
maybe it would count as an air soft gun, but seems like a fun gadget, get a camel back and a power bank in your back pack and you could have a whole lot of ammo
I guess air soft would be the closest thing to it indeed! And what about free ammo when it rains?😋
The cop are still searching for the bullet
Haha, they'll be looking for a while! This "ice bullet" leaves no trace-just melts away. Perfect stealth mode! Ever thought of other creative uses for something like this?
There's an episode in the "bones" police TV show where someone uses a blood bullet to try to kill someone, and they barely were able to find the criminal that did so
why not use the hot side of the peltier module to superheat water into steam to push the ice using a piston at super high velocity
That’s an awesome idea! Using the hot side to create steam pressure could turn this into a steam-powered ice blaster with insane force. A piston-driven mechanism would definitely launch the ice at high speeds. Have you seen this concept used in other projects?
@ConceptCraftedCreations no never seen it done but i thought since you already have waste heat it might be possible to use it somehow if you already have water, steam canons do exist but they fire long rods grapple hooks at around 280 m/s
Interesting thought! Repurposing the waste heat for steam propulsion would be a clever way to increase efficiency. And 280 m/s for grapple hooks is seriously impressive-imagine the speed we could reach with a lightweight ice projectile! Think it’s worth a test run?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations as well if you use "water" with the right mineral mix it will freeze from the outside first and create a "shell"
@final_catalyst Fascinating idea! Creating an “ice shell” by using the right mineral mix sounds like an intriguing way to boost the projectile’s stability. Do you think this could help maximize the impact or even increase the range?
Awesome design, very cool project! Love it! Perfect for popping those balloons at the carnival.....Really smart design, love the cooler with heaters on the block, ingenious design.
@JTs3DPrints Thanks a lot! think it could win you some prizes?🤓
He evolved his water gun into an ice gun 😭
Awesome project but please be careful when pressure testing like that, at least put it it like a box or stand a bit further away 😅
I didn't understand that part of the project, but if he is compressing air, please pressure test it with water.
I got my safety glasses on🤓 Does that count?😋
@daviniusb6798 I know.. but the portable compressor doesn't work with water🤓
@@ConceptCraftedCreations No no you fill your reservoir with water and let the compressor pump in his air. If it explodes you only get wet insteat of having to pull out PVC from your chest (and the test is quicker this way). I guess it's irrelevant for this project, but if you like look up how to pressure test a miniature steam boiler or a waterrocket!
Great tip! Using water as a safer way to pressure test makes total sense-definitely less risk of flying PVC pieces if something goes wrong. I’ll look into those methods for future projects. Appreciate the safety advice!
Only 241 moneys! Like that's peanuts lol
Clearly makes a lot of money from UA-cam😂
You're absolutely right about that! A better comparison might be the quote I got here locally for the same parts and to my surprise it was almost $200 more expensive there😯
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I am not saying PCB Way isn't offering compelling price models. And you're probably bound to sell it properly, but objectively 200+ is a huge amount of money for presumably most of your viewers. So putting it in context would've been more approachable for most of them.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I didn't mean to criticise in any way, nor do I want you to answer in a way detrimental to your sponsors. I was merely making a joke.
For machined aluminium parts, I don't think it's too expensive.
I would use the "stuck" ice pellet as a pressure check thing for those vaccum guns.
Where you would create a vacuum and then pop the membrane in the front to shoot out the projectile.
But this time make it the other way around, create a shit ton of pressure until the pellet breaks free and shoots out!
That’s a solid idea! Using the ice pellet as a sort of “pressure release” would definitely add some extra punch to the shot. Reversing the vacuum gun concept to build up pressure and then release it all at once sounds intense! Ever thought about building something like this yourself?
I don't see that creating consistent muzzle velocity, and, you wouldn't get an immediate discharge upon pulling the trigger.
Best add for PCB way I have seen 👍
Some rifling in the barrel might make a big difference
Pvc shrapnel doesn't show up on xrays😅
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Ya seriously though, it would have been very easy to stand further away, or behind some barrier.
Even though it's compressed air, it can still go boom and ruin your day.
@@Chris-oj7ro and then he puts it next to his eyes in that gun. Would be so easy to make it with propper pressure rating. Steel pipes come to mind, he wouldnt even needed those fancy machined caps. But very cool project otherwise.
Good points! Safety is definitely a priority with compressed air and PVC. Steel pipes would be a much safer choice with the higher pressure rating-probably the way to go if I revisit the design. Appreciate the feedback, and glad you enjoyed the project overall!
This is such a wonderful project! You made it so very elegant and you definitely made it look easy
Since it uses air pressure to propel a solid, but non-metallic projectile, this is an "air-soft" gun. AWESOME BUILD!!
“Guys it’s just a water gun. Relax 🙄”
*proceeds to freeze the water*
Perhaps try a liquid with a higher freezing point. Another idea would be to use compounds like sodium polyacrylate to customize the properties of the water without using alternative liquids. A third idea is to integrate a small cryogenic cooler to boost the electric coolers and remove the heat faster. Given a material and design with high enough thermal conductivity, a very small amount of a cryogenic substance such as liquid nitrogen or solid CO² could be utilized by controlling the pressure of the cooling circuit, without the need for an evaporator or condenser.
What immediately came to mind upon reading the title of this video and the "CIA" reference (and with all it suggested), and then watching the build and test-firing was, "Will the ice bullets, if they are able to be projected at enough power for a long-distance target, encounter enough friction to generate heat and begin to melt?" My guess is, that at least the factor of air temperature at the moment of firing (a 20° F day vs an 80° day) would be a great influence.
An utterly fantastic build.
would make more sense to use a barrel chambering mechanism that's separate from the magazine chamber, in this way only the barrel chamber needs to be cooled and you don't have to worry about the magazine chamber clutching from ice.
You already use cyclic pieces in the mag chamber, just eject the water from the cyclic piece closest to the barrel to create a natural thermal wall of air.
Would allow for chambering shots to be ONLY limited to how quickly the water can be cooled to ice, rather than cooled + re-heated.
Firearms are very well developed, there's no need to try and re-invent the wheel just because you're using a different material, just have to go about it differently.
Damn cool video though!
here's an idea! Create an electret out of ice by freezing it under high voltage differential, then use a rail gun design to shoot the ice _even faster_
I was thinking a railgun design seemed very promising. But you could use normal ice with non-magnetic projectile designs, namely using a "cup" type shape that is propelled by the railgun rather than the projectile itself, which can launch anything regardless of how it interacts with magnets - even wood or something should in theory work fine. The cup is then reset and the chamber refilled and it's ready to fire again! This could possibly help prevent water lingering in the barrel which could interfere with the rails as well.
my boy is dutch for sure love my fellow "nederlanders" getting far for such a small country we do make alot of crazy stuff. thats for your contribution to it *salutes*
I love the engineering behind it - incredible.
Yeah, I can see someone at least having a conversation with you LOL! ~ This is Rober level stuff which is VERY cool.
Time to pack up and fly to Arizona for a collab with GarandThumb for super scientific ballistics testing on their range!
On you ice block, the two restricting arms that keep your rotating cylinder valves from over extending, instead of having them rotate in opposite directions, you could have them rotate the same direction, and have the restricting arms tied together with a linkage. This way the two motors would be working together to perform the same work, as opposed to working independently to do the same work. They two motors can help each other.
About heating the block to un-stick the ice pellet, you could do away with the heating element and just reverse the polarity of the peltier, It will function backwards, adding heat into the block. Perhaps this might not work as fast as the heating element though, but it could be worth exploring to reduce the complexity and size of the ice block and the control systems.
I'd also recommend a very slight smear of thermal grease on both sides of the peltier to improve thermal conductivity.
With the o-rings, there are standardized ways to use them in a much better way. Instead of having them pressed against a surface to act as a gasket, you could use them as actual o-rings by having them in a groove on the mandrel. There are sizing charts online that you can use to determine optimal o-ring size, fitment gap, and groove dimensions.
The indicator/status lights on the side is super cool, but I think it could be very useful to have at least one light with the same purpose on the rear of the weapon, so the shooter can see it while wielding it.
Since ballistics would be an obvious issue with something like this, could also be cool to add a ballistic computer and cheap range finder into the optic to help you place the shots more accurately at various distances. You could do the same with a ballistic reticle and some experimentation to come up with your own drop chart, but ... a computerized optic would be cooler.
Definitely an awesome thing you made!
That’s amazing that pcb way can machine custom parts for so cheap! Amazing! That opens up all kindsa possibilities for me.
Not finished the video yet, but..
Awesome. Just wanted to say, you can reinforce that PVC by wrapping it with copper wire. Know you are using it as a tank but in world war 2. People in the Philippines would make their own blunderbuss, muzzleloader shotgun, by just using any metallic pipe, then wrapping it with copper wire to keep it from exploding.. works.
Very cool design! FYI - you could also use a Stery LG110 air rifle reservoir with a pressure regulator to precisely set your output PSI. It would be safer than your homemade reservoir and you could get many shots from one air tank as it will allow you to fill to 3000 PSI. Good luck with the design. Thanks for sharing! 👍
Ahhh ice bullets. No wonder you can shatter glass with a single shot and not a jetstream.
Honestly a cool design but this just makes this even more dangerous than airsoft or paintball.
I'm in games programming, so my thinking may not translate to mechanical engineering all that great, but here goes.
An idea for a possible v2: Split the factory and the barrel and have the factory make ice for a magazine that can store them. If you produce one ice block every 10 minutes, you could walk around with it for 30 minutes and have three shots ready to go. That basically sounds like a pretty cool mechanic for a game even.
I'm also guessing that you could form the ice to shapes that travel better through the air than just cylinders. Give them a spike in front and a sort of tail in the back and they probably both travel straighter and penetrate better on hit.
This would probably increase the complexity of the project quite significantly though.
Amazing design, very well thought out and organized. If you insulate that block, the projectiles might freeze faster.
Thanks🙌 And that's a solid suggestion! Insulating the block could definitely speed up the freezing process. Any particular insulation material you'd recommend?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations You're limited on space, so it would have to be something that doesn't rely on air gaps or thickness. Maybe closed cell foam of some sort. If you can shrink the aluminum block, that would also make freezing faster.
1:16 this is my first time watching this channel. I saw the language and Immediately knew it was Dutch. I’ve only had around ~100 days of Duolingo Dutch. I went straight to the channel description and saw Netherlands. I’m honestly proud of myself for spotting that it was Dutch!
That’s impressive! Duolingo must be working wonders for you. Spotting Dutch after just 100 days is no small feat-well done! Have you been learning Dutch for fun, or is there a specific reason behind it?🤓
@ pretty much for fun
That’s awesome! Dutch is such a unique language to pick up just for fun. Have you tried using your Dutch skills in real-world situations yet? 😊
@ no, haven’t used them irl
The state of Dihydrogen Monoxide is always so important we gave them each their own name: Ice, Water & Steam. So no, that is not a Water Gun that is an Ice Gun.
Good luck bringing the evidence to court. It will be water.
It's called ice fishing. But you still fish in the water.
Well, considering the definition of a water gun doesn't include which *_phase_* the water is in...
I would call that a pellet gun. It shoots an ice pellet and reasonably high velocity. The fact that it makes it's own pellets out of water is a plus.
Spent so much effort on the engineering to see if it was possible there was no time left to think if it should be done (was practical).
For me personally, i was a bit disappointed when realize, that you would be using ice. But when i realize that you going to make an ice inside of a gun my mind changed! I think it definitely inbetween, but it can be stretch to water gun because it uses water as ammunition. Great job!
You don’t need heating elements… the Peltier coolers reverse heat flow with reversed polarity.
We making it on the watchlist(s) with this one 💪❄️🥶
@Joutube_is_trash Haha, if we’re on a watchlist, at least it’s for innovation! What’s the next wild idea you think we should try?
Man i love your watergun that shoot (ICE BULLET) that so cool keep up the great work my man!👍🏾👍🏾
It is most certainly a water gun, it uses water, just in a frozen state. Some may call it an ice gun, but ice is water. This is definitely not a toy water gun or squirt gun. It is a lethal weapon using compressed air and WATER.
Just add another heating element to the trigger interface
Add one safety catch to the heating interface
Second add another barrel filled with super cold nitrogen.
The ice when solidified to become pellets
The push of the safety will melt the ice on the outer layer of pellet whilst pushing the pellet into the shooting chamber.
Another safety catch will fill and in reverse push the super cooled nitrogen / oxygen / helium - or whatever substance works for super cooling to harden to extreme levels.
The pellet inside the shooting chamber with its outer layer melted can be given a fine needle point with some precision chambering engineering.
The trigger when pulled will shoot out the super cooled pellet to even go through glass wood or other materials as well.
A perfect water gun.
This is the stuff i used to design back in the late 90s... love it
This is pure genius, nice work
you should consider using the water itself to help cool the thermocouples, might be faster and "liquid cooling" is neat, and might even allow a sleeker design.
Try Pykrete, "Pykrete is a frozen composite of water and wood pulp that's strong, durable, and floats on water: " During WW2 the UK seriously considered it for making an aircraft carrier, they went as far to build large scale models
Imagine being in a snowy environment with ammo all around you....But you can use none of it because it's all frozen 😄!
Wow this is so cool. It's unbelievable what guys will just slap together in their garage. I imagine you have a friend over and casually drop "wanna check out my ice gun that creates its own ammo," and you don't even bat an eye 😂
Works for water balloons, too! Freezing them greatly improves performance.
I had exactly the same idea as a kid. I guess now with 3D printers and micro components its allot easier. Goed werk 😎
WoW thats ACE dude 🙂
That’s an ice rifle 😮 insane it pulls the water in and freezes like that all self contained. What a unique build. How does the ice not just explode into a mist soon as it comes out
It is definitely an ice gun instead of a water gun. But kudos anyway.
Me, who likes everything related to ice, snow, and cryomancy:
- "MAH MAN, WHERE CAN I BUY DIS?!"
Glad you like it! Unfortunately, this is a one-of-a-kind DIY project-no store shelves just yet! 😉
@ConceptCraftedCreations aye, understandable. Still, would be cool to be able to order it from overseas.
But heck, laws around such things are gonna be troublesome. Cuz of course we can't have nice things because of psychos who'd use this awesome thing to hurt people.
It’s definitely a shame that cool ideas can get overshadowed by potential misuse. Still, part of the fun in DIY projects is making something unique that you can’t just buy anywhere.