Just found your channel after hearing about Mani. You are making great videos and this period and topic is excellent for someone trying to understand where the Quran and Islam came from . Well done.
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei Luke 1:28 “The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”” Luke 1:35 “The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.””
I’m a member of the Church of the East, you did a great job being fair and historically accurate. I’m of the opinion that we should not go so far as to link Babai and the Qur’an to the point that we are characterising the Church of the East as ‘compromising’ or ‘aligning’ with Islam. While we certainly have evidence from Mar Isho’Yahb regarding this, his letter is written with the goal of self-preservation, instead of theological unity. These Christians would not even marry Muslims, risking the punishment of being disallowed from communion. Throughout history, even during the ascent and expansion of Islam, the Church of the East was wholly opposed theologically to their teachings, we have evidence from Theodore Bar Koni, Mar Timothy I of Seleucia-Ctesiphon and Ammar Al-Basri to name a few. While Babai’s arguments against the theopaschites are somewhat mirrored by the Qur’an, is this the fault of the ‘Nestorian’ Church? Should we really have a thumbnail that appears to blame them? I do not think for a second Muslims were theologically involved in East Syriac thought, considering we had an established Christological doctrine affirming dyophysitism before the rise of Islam. God bless, it was a great video, and summarised a lot of the Church’s history.
In the video, I mentioned that Muslims put forward something even more radical than the Nestorians. My intention wasn’t to argue that Islamic theology aligns with Nestorianism; rather, I suggested that the Quran adopts some of the discursive points previously made by the Nestorians to promote its own theological propaganda.
verse that said : how alah can have a son when he have no wife is Jewish origin and jewish rabbinical polemics against Trinity. Kohelet Rabah 4:8 that derived from older traditions in alen segal book two Powers on heaven page 141. original reading pf Jewish tradition was same as in quran: how God can have a wife when he have no Son. Google: Kohelet rabah 4:8 and Google: Alen Segal book Two Powers in heaven page 140-141 you can find on archive link , most of book is locked but if you when you enter just tipe in to serach bar: 141 and you will find the page 141 so like you see, its Jewish anti Trinitarian polemic
@@gnosticquran Sure, on that we agree. You may be interested in consulting the early Syriac works against Islam during its initial spread, they would provide further clarity on theological similarities and more importantly differences. Thank you
I am a subdeacon in Byzantine Catholic Church and I was blown away with your analysis on Assyrian Catholicos Yasohib II letter to Muhammad that's impressive! Chronicles of Seert also recorded him meeting with Caliph Omar to secure peace for Christians in the East. Min 43:30 Islamic view on Al'lah neither begat nor begotten is actually consistent with Trinitarianism as dogmatized in the Fourth Lateran Council. Muhammad was referring to the Dzat which is unknowable and neither begat nor begotten. In the Fourth Lateran Council it's dogmatized that God is neither begat nor begotten because divine essence can't be a father or a son. I grew up in a Dutch Calvinist tradition and converted to Byzantine Catholic Church because I believe in irenicism and dialogue. St John Paul II prayed may St John the Baptist bless Islam. Benedict XVI and Pope Francis prayed in a Mosque. I have many Muslim friends and Protestants who find my approach to be fair to both sides. Let me know if you want to collaborate with me. My goal is to show where Islam and Christianity compatible and where both disagree. God bless for your impressive work. Amazing.
*God:* "The day of judgment is here. Did you worship me?" *Some guy:* "I spent the whole time scrutinizing the relation between Physionicism and Matithyocians on one hand, and on the other hand verse 475 from surah 2024 in the Quran" *God:* "Right. Follow those gentlemen over there please, they'll help you with your research .. for the rest of eternity, never mind the chains." Having said that, I think you might wanna teach Prof. Gabriel Reynolds from The University of Notredame in the US a thing or two.
How about the Talmudic Exilarchs of Pumpedita and Sura? Where the Exiclarchs made a pact with the Nestorians. Then moving to Narbone France, then into Spain.
Well, I certianly see why Islam must have been appealing, it seems to be a simplified version of what an overly philosophical, argumentative Christianity of the time.
Thnxs Gnostic Quran! Previous scholars have claimed that the Nicchibis of the Manusamhita, the Buddhist Licchavis, were from Nisisbis in Persia and the town Nisisbis in Syria bordering Turkey. While Muslim scholars claim that the family of Nusaybah peopled Jerusalem with a famous female warrior of Muhammad while wikipedia says the family tradition is that they were brought to Jerusalem by the same Ptolemy (Philadelphus) whose name is inscribed on Ashoka's edict as being a willing recipient of Buddhist missionaries and who was said to have commissioned the Septuagint. Can you make any sense of this? Thnxs for any feedback 🙏
“Babai” that’s Sardinian for “father”. Maybe he was Sardinian.😅 Would be nice to see such a video of the development of the trinity and it’s gnostic roots.
OUR FAITH Remember Isa Muhammaduna: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Isa Muhammaduna: who, being in the form of Ilah, considered not to usurp equality with Il: but emptied himself, and took upon him the form of an ebed, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in appearance as Adam, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore Il also hath highly exalted him, and given him the Name which is above every name: that at the Name of him who saves every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Isa Muhammaduna is our Lord, to the glory of Allah. And remember, that thou shalt not take the name of Allah nor the name of Isa Muhammaduna in vain; for Ruh al-Qudus will not hold thee guiltless that taketh the name of Her Originator and Her Son in vain. But never even on pain of death, blaspheme against Ruh al-Qudus, for that sin only has no forgiveness not in this world, nor in the world to come. The Paradox of al-Masih Isa ibn Allah: In the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the All-Benevolent, whose substance begetteth not, nor is begotten. Yet His Essence was begotten in His Word, which was conceived of His Spirit and begotten of His Essence, thus fools say, 'Allah begetteth and was begotten.' Yet only one aspect begetteth another aspect and that other aspect is begotten of it; thus there is still no god but Allah alone, He has no equal associates among His creations. To Him sovereignty and to Him alone is all praise. He gives life and causes death, He is almighty. Yea, Praised be Isa al-Masih, even the slave of Allah and His messenger, begotten of His Essence, yet humble enough speak the truth, 'I can do nothing of myself, only the will of Allah, as I am but His Word begotten of His Essence, yet I was born as man, so as a mere slave of my Father shall I live now and forever. However, if I proclaimed myself to be Allah, or even His Son, among the polytheists would I be lying? No. But I would cause them to worship me as a second god besides Allah and they would worship either the Spirit of Allah or Mariam as a goddess for the Spirit conceived me and Mariam bore me. I and the Spirit are emanations of Allah, as each of thee hast thy own breath and thy own word that are emanations of thy essence, even if they were alive what are they without thee? Nothing. So among pure monotheists, I am the Son of Allah, even the Word of Allah in human form. Yet among the polytheists, let me be known as a mere slave of my Father. For what good son would seek after the throne of his Father that liveth forever, is not better to serve as a slave to such a perfect king?' Allah and his angels bless the Apostle. Oh you who believe, implore blessings and peace upon him. O People of the Book, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. Indeed, al-Masih Isa ibn Mariam is the Apostle of Allah and His Word and His Spirit; so believe in Allah, even in His Apostles. Do not say, "Isa al-Masih is three different beings." It is better for you to desist. For verily, I say to you, His Apostle and His Word and His Spirit are three aspects of the one being named Isa al-Masih, and Allah likewise is Only One Deity. Glorified is He, because He has for Himself a Son; for whom everything in the heavens and everything on the earth exists, and who is sufficient before Allah as an advocate. Isa al-Masih would never disdain to be the slave of Allah, nor the angels who are nearest to Allah, whoever disdain from being worshipped and being prideful, such people he will call together towards him. Oh Allah, bless Thy Apostle, even Thy slave, Isa ibn Mariam; Pease upon him on the day he was born, on the day in which he died and on the day he was resurrected. Such is Isa ibn Mariam, the word of truth about whom you fight one another. Is it fitting Allah to adopt a child and make a mortal (ie. Mariam) into His wife. Glory be to Him, when He decides a thing, He only needs say by His Word, 'be,' and it is. Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him, this is the straight path. So let this mind be in you, which was also in Isa al-Masih: who, being divine in nature, considered not rob equality with Allah: but instead made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a mere slave, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore Allah also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of the Praised-One every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Isa al-Masih is Lord, to the glory of Allah the Originator. ALLAH’S SCHEME: Allah said to Isa Muhammaduna, “Remember when the Judases asked, ‘What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?’ And thou didst answer unto them, ‘Destroy this Muhammad, and in three days I will raise it up.’ Thus to prove thy words, O Isa, verily, I will cause thee to die and raise thee up again. I make those who honour thee, even as they honour Me, superior to those who reject thee until the Day of Resurrection.” Thus Isa Muhammaduna began to teach them that Muhammad must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, and the chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. And when they had finally crucified and killed him, they in boast said, "Indeed, we have killed the so-called Isa al-Masih." But in truth they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but it was made to appear as if they did. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. no knowledge for them about it, except following the assumption. Yea, they certainly killed him not. Allah killed him and raised him up again, yea, Isa Muhammaduna even laid down his own life and took it up again by the permission of Allah. And those honour Isa Muhammaduna, even as they honour Allah who sent him, will be saved, but those honour him not, neither honour He who sent him, and thus are condemned.
You just mistranslated verses and added Christian propaganda,I will say this tho 100% agree ISA/ISO is the word of God and extension of his will not equal but in likeness of the Holy Spirit hence why Galatians 3:26 states that "you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus".Romans 14 all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God.And I know I’m Quoting Paul but even he rejected the trinity, 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 Paul writes: 4So then, about eating foods sacrificed to idols: We know that "An Idol is nothing at all in the world" and that "There is no God but one." 5For even if there are so called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live, and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
@@idris_haris_al-kalimamy brother, are you Eastern Christians? I am a Protestant but i have learned about the historicity of Islam for years, I knew that the Quran is a Christian text. Let me explain to you: The Quran and hadith are not talking about the same MHMD (Muhamamd). Actually, the word MHMD (meaning the Praised One) is only mentiomed 4 times in the Quran, one of which QS 33 verse 40 rejects the Muhamamd proposed by the hadith, The Hadith was invented by the Abassid in the 9th century.
Nestorous refused to bow down in wotship before an infant. It was far beneath his dignity. Therefore, Mary is not Theotokos, God bearer, but Christokos, Christ bearer. This is ironic. Being a Babylonian bishop, his predecessors, the Magi, did fall in worship before the infant. Similarly, every head has two brains, two thoughts, unified by the corpus colossum in one unified consciousness. Was the God-man on His heavenly throne at the same time in His earthly body?
In my opinion, Nestorius was against "anthropomorphism" or the excessive anthropocentric Christology of the Arians. "So Arius and Eunomius and Apollinarius taught: for in name they say that Christ is God, but in fact they deprive Him of being God; for they assign His human things by nature to His (i.e. the Word's) own Ousia. And they make void the generations of the descent of the Messiah, and the promises to the Fathers that from their seed the Messiah should spring according to the flesh." - Patr. Nestorius Of Constantinople Nestorius said the object of his Worship is the infant however the Mother of God and God Bearer conceived our Lord as a human child and not as He is Uncreated. "For what Marcellus had advanced by way of enquiry, they falsely represented as his professed opinion; but when the subsequent parts of the book were read, and the parts preceding the queries themselves, his faith was found to be correct. He had never pretended, as they positively affirmed, that the Word of God had His beginning from Holy Mary, nor that His Kingdom had an end; on the contrary he had written that His Kingdom was both without beginning and without end." - St. Hosius The Confessor - (Encyclical Letter Of The Council Of Sardica) "Even the Infant is the All-Powerful God, so far, O Arius, is God the Word from being subject to God." - Patr. Nestorius Of Constantinople "We recognize the humanity of the Infant, and His Divinity; the Unity of His Sonship we guard in the Nature of humanity and Divinity." - Patr. Nestorius Of Constantinople "Great is the Mystery of the Gift: for this Babe that can be seen, this fresh appearance, this that needs swaddling clothes for the body, this that in the visible substance is newly Born is in respect of that which is hidden Eternal, the Son Who made the universe.... Yes, and the Babe is God in His own right." - Patr. Nestorius Of Constantinople If or when he denied the Child was God, he is speaking in respect of the Ousia of the Logos' flesh which can age whereas God the Logos is without age.
God bless my Assyrian brothers and sisters, and the Assyrian Church of the East. We are over 4000 years old and still around, and so is our fairh, by the grace of God. Glory to the triune God.
The argumentation only makes sense if u havent read the Quran The fact that the Qur'an has in-built answers for all this criticism is one of the most astonishing facts about the book E.g. the Quran has the approach to correct stories and tell them according to their true happening The stories have been circulating and that is exactly the reason the Qur'an makes this approach Now hearing a version and saying they took it from those who shared a version close to the truth is not following logic Furthermore there are some unbelievable infos that were not known and turned out to be true after all Read it with an open heart and u ll see for your self
Bible and quran is the book of Allah ADAM as WAS THE FIRST human in the word created by Allah Bible have many mixtures But quran is only one book who have no mixture
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Islam as a religion was created by the Abbasids before them there was no religion called Islam just a sub-sect of judeo - christianity that was heavily influenced by Manicheanism and Marcionism they saw Jesus as the Christ and rejected the divinity and the doctrine of trinity he only had human nature and he was last and final prophet. Prophet Muhammad never existed and was an Abbasid invention he was based on a Lakhmanid king in the 7th century who helped the Byzantines defeat the Sassanids and was a Nestorian Christian later Abbasids merged his figure with many others to create the seerah of prophet Muhammad. The Abbasids also compiled many Rabbinic Jewish, Manichean, Nestorian, Monophysite and Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Mazadakite, Elcassite, Mandean and other oral traditions that were circulating around to create the hadiths that we know today they also falsely attributed these hadith collections to authors that we know of today and also they created the entire Islamic standard traditional narrative about there new prophet and his life and Mecca and Medina they also made the Kaaba shrine in Mecca and the black stone and the tomb in Medina and the rest that is sacred to Muslims. The Quranic corpus was a Syriac anti-trinitarian Judeo-Christian collection of texts written around 100 CE to 700 CE that they used for their preachings and also recited as hymns in their churches all of the Ummayad rulers except Muawiyah who was a monophysite Christian were part of this sub-sect later in the Abbasid period and onward the many interpolations were added into the Quranic corpus to align with the seerah and the hadith corpus by 1000 CE Islam as a religion we know today was complete. One more thing there was a church built by Abdal Malik from Merv in the city of Mecca in 698 CE that site became a pilgrimage site where a new tradition emerged that Hagar and Ishmael had travelled there and were also buried there so many believers from this sub-sect made pilgrimage to the city were Mecca today is located when the Abbasids came to power they choose Mecca as the site for their new religion and create a new tradition explaining its origins and why it was significant by taken stories from Nabatean Petra and Second temple Jerusalem and other traditions from other holy sites that they were aware of at that time.
And... who were the Abbasids? There's no historical writings besides "Islamic. To me the Abbasids were Jew Exilarchs from Pumpedita or Sura in Babylon.
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Thank you for all of your inoformation. And wasn't Saint Augustine actually a Manichaean who only converted to Christianity during the forced conversion of Constantine. Who then became a Christian star by applying his Manichaean teachings to the extremely nascent Christianity?💙
Bud religion spread like wild fire to claim that a whole religious movement was spread by one group for fun is wild,first of the word “Christian” was invented way past the priesthood of Christ pbuh,two the prophet pbuh linage can be tracked to this day and 3 not only is pilgrimage in that same area is mentioned in the old testament the actual compilation of the Quran is about perfect,with clear sign that many people of the time were oblivious.Your point is?
@@radchulo5349 I am sure that the Islam that we know at this time was created by the Ottomans. They had way to much time in their hands to write any kind of BS, it just there are no historical records of anything to support the stories told in those books.
You are funny. Christianity is Nestorianism. The Nestorians had no problem with the council of Chalcedon. Nestorius never claimed two persons. Your Christianity is Nestorianism.
Yeah Nestorius is pretty cool. "I think that more than all the very Holy and Venerable Bishop, my Lord John, must have been gratified at my refusing either to give my consent to the condemnation of the very Holy and Venerable Bishop Nestorius or to violate the pledges made at Tarsus, Chalcedon and Ephesus." - Bp. Theodoret Of Cyrus - (Letter to Alexander of Hierapolis.) "Let us then consider Christ in both ways, the Divine Word made One in Mary with Him which is from Mary." - St. Athanasius The Great - (From Discourse 4 Against The Arians)" "Irrationally then do the followers of the Samosatene separate the Word Who is clearly declared to be made One with the Man from Mary. He is not therefore sent through that Man; but He rather in Him sent, saying, 'Go ye, teach all nations." - St. Athanasius The Great - (From Discourse 4 Against The Arians) "I did not say that the Son was One (Person) and God the Word another; I said that God the Word was by Nature One and the temple by nature another." - Patr. Nestorius Of Constantinople
Nestorianism is part of the Christian tradition of the empire when they accepted that Jesus is God in the same way the father is god basically God the son. Nestorianism begins with your false pressupposition about how Jesus the son of God is God.
Good video bro. I would say i disagree on both Surah 112 being a challenge completely to the trinity although the idea it is challenging Jacob of Seroug is interesting my only disagreement would be the use of the word Ehad in the original arabic meaning one of and Ahad meaning One. The rest is a good point. Surah 4.171 I would say the Quran is using the wrong word trinity which is Thaluth and Thalatha which you sed means three. The verse in context actually seems like it is attacking the Tritheism and actually affirming the Trinity as the verse begins with saying Jesus son of Mary was gods word and a spirit sent down from God to Mary. To me that is affirming John 1 in the Gospel. I'm just finishing off the video but I wanted to mention that because this is what I concluded from my research. Like i sed in the beginning good video bro. Me I am an atheist enjoying these religious topics Also the idea of God having a mother is more of a sexual understanding from the Quran as Surah 6 verse 100 goes on to say God can have a son if he wants essentially agreeing with Jesus having a Father.
@@thecoin5394 The hypostatic union is the second person in the trinity. He has a divine and human nature. These two natures don’t mix. He is one person. That’s exactly what Nestorius taught. The Nestorians had no objections to the council of Chalcedon. Nestorius never claimed two persons. He has the same position as the teachings in the council of Chalcedon.
@@AlonzoHarris235 thank you for the explanation. if you will please re- read QS 4 verse 157-8 from different translations; My take on the verses: there were two NATURES : the first nature was the Human Jesus, the second nature was the divine Jesus. the DIVINE JESUS was raised by the LORD/AL LAH unto Himself, while the HUMAN NATURE OF JESUS was still on the cross, But, the HUMAN JESUS was not a REAL HUMAN, IT was just the APPARITION of the DIVINE JESUS. Thus, JESUS didn't actually suffer on the Cross because His HUMAN NATURE was just an apparition or an illusion of His true nature (the DIVINE nature) who had been raised or saved by Allah unto Himself (DOCETISM). thus, these verses QS 4.157-8 actually intended to the Jews who rejected Jesus because in the OT "Cursed Is Everyone Who Is Hanged on a Tree" So, the Quran is a Christian text.
i dont know if you can speak hebrew or write it,but.In John 19:30 where the Lord Jesus is on the Cross he said:it is finished!ܟ݁ܰܕ݂ ܕ݁ܶܝܢ ܫܩܰܠ ܗܰܘ ܚܰܠܳܐ ܝܶܫܽܘܥ ܐܶܡܰܪ ܗܳܐ ܡܫܰܠܰܡ ܘܰܐܪܟ݁ܶܢ ܪܺܫܶܗ ܘܰܐܫܠܶܡ ܪܽܘܚܶܗ܂ 30 כד דין שקל הו חלא ישוע אמר הא משלם וארכן רשה ואשלם רוחה/the Word Mushlam means perfekt but in Present tense /.When you talk in futere tense for the man its always the letter YUD in front of the Word!So Mushlam(present tense) become Ishlam(Future tense)He will be perfekt.In The Story of Abraham/Sara.......,God said to her why you laugh?Why you zahak?thats why in future tense it is said He wil laugh there is a Yud in front Zahak becomes Izhaq.We know that Waraqa ibn Naufal is the writer of the Quran,he spoke Aramaic and Hebrew,even the name of Mohammed is taken from the Mishna.Even in the Sharia it is written there are steps of being a Muslim,the First step is the normal Muslim,if you go deeper you reach higher ranks,and if you reach the last step you become the Perfekt(Mushlam/Muslim)the perfect Illuminati
My friend you exhibit a fair degree of knowledge ( through research) on Syriac and early Christianity affairs. Yet, you exhibit extremely shallow knowledge in the basics of Arab History and Islamic concepts. Can you make a comparison with something that you have a fair degree of knowledge with another that you know almost nothing about ??? Moreover, you have left out ,in your narration on history of Christian controversies and theological schisms, the most important fact relevant to the Islamic position latter on Christianity and Christ. This is the position of Arrieus ( 3 CE) who held that Christ is but a human prophet with no divine attributes ( Monotheistic Christianity) nor did discuss the various groups of Christianity in its ancestral lands holding monotheism Prior to Arrieus. The position of Islam is clear in holding that the correct belief in Christ is that of a Prophet identical to Arrieus. In fact, P.Muhammad's first letter to Heracliues was a call to Islam stating Arrieus by name. On the relation between Christianity and Arabs, you seem to believe that its major connection was that between Al-hira and eastern/Syriac Church and the Mecca/ P.Muhammad. You do not seem to know that there are several other closer Christian relations to Arabs ( Particularly Quraish) then Hira. That is the Ghassanid kingdom to the immediate north of Mecca which unlike Hira, was totally Christian and inherited the first spread of Christianity ( Peria and Nabatia) at the time of Christ. You do not seem to mention ( maybe know) that Yemen to direct south of Mecca ( Najran) had a major church and community who held prolonged debates with P.Muhammad culminating in the second largest Soura in Al-Quran ( Al-Emran). Moreover, and most importantly ( in term of strong relations between Christianity and the person of P.Muhammd that is his first wife Khadijah ( who was a prominent Christian) and who's tribe ( a majour tribe of Quraish) was entirely Christian. Khadijah's direct uncle ( Warqah-bin Nawfal) was the Christian Bishop of Al-Hejaz ( south Jordan to north Yemen). Christianity in its various versions and sections were very much present in Arabia with close ties to Quraish. Yet, it was the monotheistic Arrieus line that was closer and that enjoyed favour in Islamic understanding as the true precursor to Islam on the non-corupted line of god's message. Last.tow points of warranted corrections; First Tayaya is the Syriac pronunciation of Arabic word ( Tay') that is the name of the major tribe inhabiting west Iraq and north Syria and ruling the lands for many centuries before. It is good that you mentioned the term used by Syriac's but with more warranted effort in your research you would have known their original Arab name. Second, Muhammad never went to Iraq ( Hira) on trade his root was north to ( Al-Sham) Jordan/Palestine and back.
Just found your channel after hearing about Mani. You are making great videos and this period and topic is excellent for someone trying to understand where the Quran and Islam came from . Well done.
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei
Luke 1:28 “The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.””
Luke 1:35 “The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.””
I’m a member of the Church of the East, you did a great job being fair and historically accurate.
I’m of the opinion that we should not go so far as to link Babai and the Qur’an to the point that we are characterising the Church of the East as ‘compromising’ or ‘aligning’ with Islam. While we certainly have evidence from Mar Isho’Yahb regarding this, his letter is written with the goal of self-preservation, instead of theological unity. These Christians would not even marry Muslims, risking the punishment of being disallowed from communion. Throughout history, even during the ascent and expansion of Islam, the Church of the East was wholly opposed theologically to their teachings, we have evidence from Theodore Bar Koni, Mar Timothy I of Seleucia-Ctesiphon and Ammar Al-Basri to name a few.
While Babai’s arguments against the theopaschites are somewhat mirrored by the Qur’an, is this the fault of the ‘Nestorian’ Church? Should we really have a thumbnail that appears to blame them? I do not think for a second Muslims were theologically involved in East Syriac thought, considering we had an established Christological doctrine affirming dyophysitism before the rise of Islam.
God bless, it was a great video, and summarised a lot of the Church’s history.
In the video, I mentioned that Muslims put forward something even more radical than the Nestorians. My intention wasn’t to argue that Islamic theology aligns with Nestorianism; rather, I suggested that the Quran adopts some of the discursive points previously made by the Nestorians to promote its own theological propaganda.
verse that said : how alah can have a son when he have no wife is Jewish origin and jewish rabbinical polemics against Trinity. Kohelet Rabah 4:8 that derived from older traditions in alen segal book two Powers on heaven page 141. original reading pf Jewish tradition was same as in quran: how God can have a wife when he have no Son.
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Alen Segal book Two Powers in heaven page 140-141 you can find on archive link , most of book is locked but if you when you enter just tipe in to serach bar: 141 and you will find the page 141
so like you see, its Jewish anti Trinitarian polemic
Glory be to God for preserving our faith and church.
@@gnosticquran Sure, on that we agree. You may be interested in consulting the early Syriac works against Islam during its initial spread, they would provide further clarity on theological similarities and more importantly differences.
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@@ourdailybread1099 Thank God we are still here in the 21st century able to speak for ourselves khuni.
you’re more and more rigorous with each video. picking up a lot of stuff. you’ve come a decent way since your very first video. keep going.
Thank you.
I am a subdeacon in Byzantine Catholic Church and I was blown away with your analysis on Assyrian Catholicos Yasohib II letter to Muhammad that's impressive! Chronicles of Seert also recorded him meeting with Caliph Omar to secure peace for Christians in the East.
Min 43:30 Islamic view on Al'lah neither begat nor begotten is actually consistent with Trinitarianism as dogmatized in the Fourth Lateran Council. Muhammad was referring to the Dzat which is unknowable and neither begat nor begotten. In the Fourth Lateran Council it's dogmatized that God is neither begat nor begotten because divine essence can't be a father or a son.
I grew up in a Dutch Calvinist tradition and converted to Byzantine Catholic Church because I believe in irenicism and dialogue. St John Paul II prayed may St John the Baptist bless Islam. Benedict XVI and Pope Francis prayed in a Mosque. I have many Muslim friends and Protestants who find my approach to be fair to both sides. Let me know if you want to collaborate with me. My goal is to show where Islam and Christianity compatible and where both disagree. God bless for your impressive work. Amazing.
Quran is full of fables like the seven sleepers of Ephesus. Incomplete..and full of mo's lustful disires like surah 33:50 .
Pope praying in a mosque only proves Roman church is the harlot
Can you help with converting to Christianity?
Nothing compatible with a religion that denied the salvivic and divine nature of Christ.
@@Christusvinci well, actually the Quran, which is a Christian text written by non trinitarians, confirms the divinity of Jesus.
Nice content, as a Persian I find the Christian history there very interesting.
I just gave you a follow so insightful
Nice video with great pictures, screen shot most of the graphics for my research, Thanks!
*God:* "The day of judgment is here. Did you worship me?"
*Some guy:* "I spent the whole time scrutinizing the relation between Physionicism and Matithyocians on one hand, and on the other hand verse 475 from surah 2024 in the Quran"
*God:* "Right. Follow those gentlemen over there please, they'll help you with your research .. for the rest of eternity, never mind the chains."
Having said that, I think you might wanna teach Prof. Gabriel Reynolds from The University of Notredame in the US a thing or two.
What a great video. Thank you ❤
How about the Talmudic Exilarchs of Pumpedita and Sura? Where the Exiclarchs made a pact with the Nestorians.
Then moving to Narbone France, then into Spain.
Well, I certianly see why Islam must have been appealing, it seems to be a simplified version of what an overly philosophical, argumentative Christianity of the time.
Awesome stuff! 8:05 is Armenian Crosses tho.
How do you arrive at the value judgements you interject every now and then? That is "unfortunately.." etc.
Thnxs Gnostic Quran! Previous scholars have claimed that the Nicchibis of the Manusamhita, the Buddhist Licchavis, were from Nisisbis in Persia and the town Nisisbis in Syria bordering Turkey. While Muslim scholars claim that the family of Nusaybah peopled Jerusalem with a famous female warrior of Muhammad while wikipedia says the family tradition is that they were brought to Jerusalem by the same Ptolemy (Philadelphus) whose name is inscribed on Ashoka's edict as being a willing recipient of Buddhist missionaries and who was said to have commissioned the Septuagint. Can you make any sense of this? Thnxs for any feedback 🙏
“Babai” that’s Sardinian for “father”. Maybe he was Sardinian.😅
Would be nice to see such a video of the development of the trinity and it’s gnostic roots.
Gabriel who lived in the Shio-Mgvime Monastery who live in 6th century is another candidate
OUR FAITH
Remember Isa Muhammaduna:
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Isa Muhammaduna: who, being in the form of Ilah, considered not to usurp equality with Il: but emptied himself, and took upon him the form of an ebed, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in appearance as Adam, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore Il also hath highly exalted him, and given him the Name which is above every name: that at the Name of him who saves every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Isa Muhammaduna is our Lord, to the glory of Allah. And remember, that thou shalt not take the name of Allah nor the name of Isa Muhammaduna in vain; for Ruh al-Qudus will not hold thee guiltless that taketh the name of Her Originator and Her Son in vain. But never even on pain of death, blaspheme against Ruh al-Qudus, for that sin only has no forgiveness not in this world, nor in the world to come.
The Paradox of al-Masih Isa ibn Allah:
In the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the All-Benevolent, whose substance begetteth not, nor is begotten. Yet His Essence was begotten in His Word, which was conceived of His Spirit and begotten of His Essence, thus fools say, 'Allah begetteth and was begotten.' Yet only one aspect begetteth another aspect and that other aspect is begotten of it; thus there is still no god but Allah alone, He has no equal associates among His creations. To Him sovereignty and to Him alone is all praise. He gives life and causes death, He is almighty. Yea, Praised be Isa al-Masih, even the slave of Allah and His messenger, begotten of His Essence, yet humble enough speak the truth, 'I can do nothing of myself, only the will of Allah, as I am but His Word begotten of His Essence, yet I was born as man, so as a mere slave of my Father shall I live now and forever. However, if I proclaimed myself to be Allah, or even His Son, among the polytheists would I be lying? No. But I would cause them to worship me as a second god besides Allah and they would worship either the Spirit of Allah or Mariam as a goddess for the Spirit conceived me and Mariam bore me. I and the Spirit are emanations of Allah, as each of thee hast thy own breath and thy own word that are emanations of thy essence, even if they were alive what are they without thee? Nothing. So among pure monotheists, I am the Son of Allah, even the Word of Allah in human form. Yet among the polytheists, let me be known as a mere slave of my Father. For what good son would seek after the throne of his Father that liveth forever, is not better to serve as a slave to such a perfect king?' Allah and his angels bless the Apostle. Oh you who believe, implore blessings and peace upon him. O People of the Book, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. Indeed, al-Masih Isa ibn Mariam is the Apostle of Allah and His Word and His Spirit; so believe in Allah, even in His Apostles. Do not say, "Isa al-Masih is three different beings." It is better for you to desist. For verily, I say to you, His Apostle and His Word and His Spirit are three aspects of the one being named Isa al-Masih, and Allah likewise is Only One Deity. Glorified is He, because He has for Himself a Son; for whom everything in the heavens and everything on the earth exists, and who is sufficient before Allah as an advocate. Isa al-Masih would never disdain to be the slave of Allah, nor the angels who are nearest to Allah, whoever disdain from being worshipped and being prideful, such people he will call together towards him. Oh Allah, bless Thy Apostle, even Thy slave, Isa ibn Mariam; Pease upon him on the day he was born, on the day in which he died and on the day he was resurrected. Such is Isa ibn Mariam, the word of truth about whom you fight one another. Is it fitting Allah to adopt a child and make a mortal (ie. Mariam) into His wife. Glory be to Him, when He decides a thing, He only needs say by His Word, 'be,' and it is. Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him, this is the straight path. So let this mind be in you, which was also in Isa al-Masih: who, being divine in nature, considered not rob equality with Allah: but instead made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a mere slave, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore Allah also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of the Praised-One every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Isa al-Masih is Lord, to the glory of Allah the Originator.
ALLAH’S SCHEME:
Allah said to Isa Muhammaduna, “Remember when the Judases asked, ‘What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?’ And thou didst answer unto them, ‘Destroy this Muhammad, and in three days I will raise it up.’ Thus to prove thy words, O Isa, verily, I will cause thee to die and raise thee up again. I make those who honour thee, even as they honour Me, superior to those who reject thee until the Day of Resurrection.” Thus Isa Muhammaduna began to teach them that Muhammad must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, and the chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
And when they had finally crucified and killed him, they in boast said, "Indeed, we have killed the so-called Isa al-Masih." But in truth they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but it was made to appear as if they did. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. no knowledge for them about it, except following the assumption. Yea, they certainly killed him not. Allah killed him and raised him up again, yea, Isa Muhammaduna even laid down his own life and took it up again by the permission of Allah. And those honour Isa Muhammaduna, even as they honour Allah who sent him, will be saved, but those honour him not, neither honour He who sent him, and thus are condemned.
You just mistranslated verses and added Christian propaganda,I will say this tho 100% agree ISA/ISO is the word of God and extension of his will not equal but in likeness of the Holy Spirit hence why Galatians 3:26 states that "you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus".Romans 14 all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God.And I know I’m Quoting Paul but even he rejected the trinity, 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 Paul writes:
4So then, about eating foods sacrificed to idols: We know that "An Idol is nothing at all in the world" and that "There is no God but one." 5For even if there are so called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live, and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
@@radchulo5349 That is my sect's beliefs, not actual translations of the Bible.
What a bunch of rbbish😂😂😂
@@radchulo5349the Quran is a Christian text, written by non trinitarians. Tahta is why Muslims don't understand it,
@@idris_haris_al-kalimamy brother, are you Eastern Christians? I am a Protestant but i have learned about the historicity of Islam for years,
I knew that the Quran is a Christian text. Let me explain to you:
The Quran and hadith are not talking about the same MHMD (Muhamamd). Actually, the word MHMD (meaning the Praised One) is only mentiomed 4 times in the Quran, one of which QS 33 verse 40 rejects the Muhamamd proposed by the hadith,
The Hadith was invented by the Abassid in the 9th century.
Gabriel of Beth Qustan, Could he be the Gabriel of Islam who thought Prophet Muhammad? Just thinking.
So the word Muslim is basically a syriac word?
Nestorous refused to bow down in wotship before an infant. It was far beneath his dignity. Therefore, Mary is not Theotokos, God bearer, but Christokos, Christ bearer. This is ironic. Being a Babylonian bishop, his predecessors, the Magi, did fall in worship before the infant. Similarly, every head has two brains, two thoughts, unified by the corpus colossum in one unified consciousness. Was the God-man on His heavenly throne at the same time in His earthly body?
In my opinion, Nestorius was against "anthropomorphism" or the excessive anthropocentric Christology of the Arians.
"So Arius and Eunomius and Apollinarius taught: for in name they say that Christ is God, but in fact they deprive Him of being God; for they assign His human things by nature to His (i.e. the Word's) own Ousia. And they make void the generations of the descent of the Messiah, and the promises to the Fathers that from their seed the Messiah should spring according to the flesh." - Patr. Nestorius Of Constantinople
Nestorius said the object of his Worship is the infant however the Mother of God and God Bearer conceived our Lord as a human child and not as He is Uncreated.
"For what Marcellus had advanced by way of enquiry, they falsely represented as his professed opinion; but when the subsequent parts of the book were read, and the parts preceding the queries themselves, his faith was found to be correct. He had never pretended, as they positively affirmed, that the Word of God had His beginning from Holy Mary, nor that His Kingdom had an end; on the contrary he had written that His Kingdom was both without beginning and without end." - St. Hosius The Confessor - (Encyclical Letter Of The Council Of Sardica)
"Even the Infant is the All-Powerful God, so far, O Arius, is God the Word from being subject to God." - Patr. Nestorius Of Constantinople
"We recognize the humanity of the Infant, and His Divinity; the Unity of His Sonship we guard in the Nature of humanity and Divinity." - Patr. Nestorius Of Constantinople
"Great is the Mystery of the Gift: for this Babe that can be seen, this fresh appearance, this that needs swaddling clothes for the body, this that in the visible substance is newly Born is in respect of that which is hidden Eternal, the Son Who made the universe.... Yes, and the Babe is God in His own right." - Patr. Nestorius Of Constantinople
If or when he denied the Child was God, he is speaking in respect of the Ousia of the Logos' flesh which can age whereas God the Logos is without age.
God bless my Assyrian brothers and sisters, and the Assyrian Church of the East. We are over 4000 years old and still around, and so is our fairh, by the grace of God. Glory to the triune God.
The argumentation only makes sense if u havent read the Quran
The fact that the Qur'an has in-built answers for all this criticism is one of the most astonishing facts about the book
E.g. the Quran has the approach to correct stories and tell them according to their true happening
The stories have been circulating and that is exactly the reason the Qur'an makes this approach
Now hearing a version and saying they took it from those who shared a version close to the truth is not following logic
Furthermore there are some unbelievable infos that were not known and turned out to be true after all
Read it with an open heart and u ll see for your self
Blood clots become embryos = Quran false & man.made.
Can I ask you
@@kawtarhadi7359 Of course, feel free
@majdishaladi7854 Is it against Islam? Excuse me, I am weak in faith.
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thats not true that nestorians denied theopaschitism altogether
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Bible and quran is the book of Allah
ADAM as WAS THE FIRST human in the word created by Allah
Bible have many mixtures
But quran is only one book who have no mixture
Which Quran. There are many versions
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Islam as a religion was created by the Abbasids before them there was no religion called Islam just a sub-sect of judeo - christianity that was heavily influenced by Manicheanism and Marcionism they saw Jesus as the Christ and rejected the divinity and the doctrine of trinity he only had human nature and he was last and final prophet. Prophet Muhammad never existed and was an Abbasid invention he was based on a Lakhmanid king in the 7th century who helped the Byzantines defeat the Sassanids and was a Nestorian Christian later Abbasids merged his figure with many others to create the seerah of prophet Muhammad. The Abbasids also compiled many Rabbinic Jewish, Manichean, Nestorian, Monophysite and Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Mazadakite, Elcassite, Mandean and other oral traditions that were circulating around to create the hadiths that we know today they also falsely attributed these hadith collections to authors that we know of today and also they created the entire Islamic standard traditional narrative about there new prophet and his life and Mecca and Medina they also made the Kaaba shrine in Mecca and the black stone and the tomb in Medina and the rest that is sacred to Muslims. The Quranic corpus was a Syriac anti-trinitarian Judeo-Christian collection of texts written around 100 CE to 700 CE that they used for their preachings and also recited as hymns in their churches all of the Ummayad rulers except Muawiyah who was a monophysite Christian were part of this sub-sect later in the Abbasid period and onward the many interpolations were added into the Quranic corpus to align with the seerah and the hadith corpus by 1000 CE Islam as a religion we know today was complete. One more thing there was a church built by Abdal Malik from Merv in the city of Mecca in 698 CE that site became a pilgrimage site where a new tradition emerged that Hagar and Ishmael had travelled there and were also buried there so many believers from this sub-sect made pilgrimage to the city were Mecca today is located when the Abbasids came to power they choose Mecca as the site for their new religion and create a new tradition explaining its origins and why it was significant by taken stories from Nabatean Petra and Second temple Jerusalem and other traditions from other holy sites that they were aware of at that time.
And... who were the Abbasids? There's no historical writings besides "Islamic.
To me the Abbasids were Jew Exilarchs from Pumpedita or Sura in Babylon.
Thank you for all of your inoformation. And wasn't Saint Augustine actually a Manichaean who only converted to Christianity during the forced conversion of Constantine. Who then became a Christian star by applying his Manichaean teachings to the extremely nascent Christianity?💙
Bud religion spread like wild fire to claim that a whole religious movement was spread by one group for fun is wild,first of the word “Christian” was invented way past the priesthood of Christ pbuh,two the prophet pbuh linage can be tracked to this day and 3 not only is pilgrimage in that same area is mentioned in the old testament the actual compilation of the Quran is about perfect,with clear sign that many people of the time were oblivious.Your point is?
@@radchulo5349 I am sure that the Islam that we know at this time was created by the Ottomans.
They had way to much time in their hands to write any kind of BS, it just there are no historical records of anything to support the stories told in those books.
Too long explanation with hoax information
You are funny. Christianity is Nestorianism. The Nestorians had no problem with the council of Chalcedon. Nestorius never claimed two persons.
Your Christianity is Nestorianism.
Nestorians claimed two persons.
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Can you show me from the writings of Nestorius?
@@AlonzoHarris235 I am telling you, it is nestorians who started saying two persons, not nestorius.
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That’s not true. Your church made this claim. It’s a misrepresentation.
Yeah Nestorius is pretty cool.
"I think that more than all the very Holy and Venerable Bishop, my Lord John, must have been gratified at my refusing either to give my consent to the condemnation of the very Holy and Venerable Bishop Nestorius or to violate the pledges made at Tarsus, Chalcedon and Ephesus." - Bp. Theodoret Of Cyrus - (Letter to Alexander of Hierapolis.)
"Let us then consider Christ in both ways, the Divine Word made One in Mary with Him which is from Mary." - St. Athanasius The Great - (From Discourse 4 Against The Arians)"
"Irrationally then do the followers of the Samosatene separate the Word Who is clearly declared to be made One with the Man from Mary. He is not therefore sent through that Man; but He rather in Him sent, saying, 'Go ye, teach all nations." - St. Athanasius The Great - (From Discourse 4 Against The Arians)
"I did not say that the Son was One (Person) and God the Word another; I said that God the Word was by Nature One and the temple by nature another." - Patr. Nestorius Of Constantinople
Nestorianism is part of the Christian tradition of the empire when they accepted that Jesus is God in the same way the father is god basically God the son.
Nestorianism begins with your false pressupposition about how Jesus the son of God is God.
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Good video bro. I would say i disagree on both Surah 112 being a challenge completely to the trinity although the idea it is challenging Jacob of Seroug is interesting my only disagreement would be the use of the word Ehad in the original arabic meaning one of and Ahad meaning One. The rest is a good point. Surah 4.171 I would say the Quran is using the wrong word trinity which is Thaluth and Thalatha which you sed means three. The verse in context actually seems like it is attacking the Tritheism and actually affirming the Trinity as the verse begins with saying Jesus son of Mary was gods word and a spirit sent down from God to Mary. To me that is affirming John 1 in the Gospel. I'm just finishing off the video but I wanted to mention that because this is what I concluded from my research. Like i sed in the beginning good video bro. Me I am an atheist enjoying these religious topics
Also the idea of God having a mother is more of a sexual understanding from the Quran as Surah 6 verse 100 goes on to say God can have a son if he wants essentially agreeing with Jesus having a Father.
Without Lies Islam Dies
Don't waste time nothing can stopped Islam from growing and spreading.
Sometimes false things become very popular like comunism.
Same thing with islam
Do you already feel the heat, Hasan?
@@amuthi1 Not 1%
@@HHasan-of2vi maybe 2%?
Effffff all religions
The hypostatic union is Nestorianism.
Do u still believe what u use believe previously
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What do you mean?
@@AlonzoHarris235please explain the hypostatic union. Thanks
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The hypostatic union is the second person in the trinity. He has a divine and human nature. These two natures don’t mix. He is one person.
That’s exactly what Nestorius taught. The Nestorians had no objections to the council of Chalcedon.
Nestorius never claimed two persons.
He has the same position as the teachings in the council of Chalcedon.
@@AlonzoHarris235 thank you for the explanation.
if you will please re- read QS 4 verse 157-8 from different translations;
My take on the verses: there were two NATURES : the first nature was the Human Jesus, the second nature was the divine Jesus.
the DIVINE JESUS was raised by the LORD/AL LAH unto Himself, while the HUMAN NATURE OF JESUS was still on the cross, But, the HUMAN JESUS was not a REAL HUMAN, IT was just the APPARITION of the DIVINE JESUS.
Thus, JESUS didn't actually suffer on the Cross because His HUMAN NATURE was just an apparition or an illusion of His true nature (the DIVINE nature) who had been raised or saved by Allah unto Himself (DOCETISM).
thus, these verses QS 4.157-8 actually intended to the Jews who rejected Jesus because in the OT "Cursed Is Everyone Who Is Hanged on a Tree"
So, the Quran is a Christian text.
i dont know if you can speak hebrew or write it,but.In John 19:30 where the Lord Jesus is on the Cross he said:it is finished!ܟ݁ܰܕ݂ ܕ݁ܶܝܢ ܫܩܰܠ ܗܰܘ ܚܰܠܳܐ ܝܶܫܽܘܥ ܐܶܡܰܪ ܗܳܐ ܡܫܰܠܰܡ ܘܰܐܪܟ݁ܶܢ ܪܺܫܶܗ ܘܰܐܫܠܶܡ ܪܽܘܚܶܗ܂
30 כד דין שקל הו חלא ישוע אמר הא משלם וארכן רשה ואשלם רוחה/the Word Mushlam means perfekt but in Present tense /.When you talk in futere tense for the man its always the letter YUD in front of the Word!So Mushlam(present tense) become Ishlam(Future tense)He will be perfekt.In The Story of Abraham/Sara.......,God said to her why you laugh?Why you zahak?thats why in future tense it is said He wil laugh there is a Yud in front Zahak becomes Izhaq.We know that Waraqa ibn Naufal is the writer of the Quran,he spoke Aramaic and Hebrew,even the name of Mohammed is taken from the Mishna.Even in the Sharia it is written there are steps of being a Muslim,the First step is the normal Muslim,if you go deeper you reach higher ranks,and if you reach the last step you become the Perfekt(Mushlam/Muslim)the perfect Illuminati
My friend you exhibit a fair degree of knowledge ( through research) on Syriac and early Christianity affairs. Yet, you exhibit extremely shallow knowledge in the basics of Arab History and Islamic concepts. Can you make a comparison with something that you have a fair degree of knowledge with another that you know almost nothing about ???
Moreover, you have left out ,in your narration on history of Christian controversies and theological schisms, the most important fact relevant to the Islamic position latter on Christianity and Christ. This is the position of Arrieus ( 3 CE) who held that Christ is but a human prophet with no divine attributes ( Monotheistic Christianity) nor did discuss the various groups of Christianity in its ancestral lands holding monotheism Prior to Arrieus. The position of Islam is clear in holding that the correct belief in Christ is that of a Prophet identical to Arrieus. In fact, P.Muhammad's first letter to Heracliues was a call to Islam stating Arrieus by name.
On the relation between Christianity and Arabs, you seem to believe that its major connection was that between Al-hira and eastern/Syriac Church and the Mecca/ P.Muhammad. You do not seem to know that there are several other closer Christian relations to Arabs ( Particularly Quraish) then Hira. That is the Ghassanid kingdom to the immediate north of Mecca which unlike Hira, was totally Christian and inherited the first spread of Christianity ( Peria and Nabatia) at the time of Christ. You do not seem to mention ( maybe know) that Yemen to direct south of Mecca ( Najran) had a major church and community who held prolonged debates with P.Muhammad culminating in the second largest Soura in Al-Quran ( Al-Emran). Moreover, and most importantly ( in term of strong relations between Christianity and the person of P.Muhammd that is his first wife Khadijah ( who was a prominent Christian) and who's tribe ( a majour tribe of Quraish) was entirely Christian. Khadijah's direct uncle ( Warqah-bin Nawfal) was the Christian Bishop of Al-Hejaz ( south Jordan to north Yemen). Christianity in its various versions and sections were very much present in Arabia with close ties to Quraish. Yet, it was the monotheistic Arrieus line that was closer and that enjoyed favour in Islamic understanding as the true precursor to Islam on the non-corupted line of god's message.
Last.tow points of warranted corrections;
First Tayaya is the Syriac pronunciation of Arabic word ( Tay') that is the name of the major tribe inhabiting west Iraq and north Syria and ruling the lands for many centuries before. It is good that you mentioned the term used by Syriac's but with more warranted effort in your research you would have known their original Arab name.
Second, Muhammad never went to Iraq ( Hira) on trade his root was north to ( Al-Sham) Jordan/Palestine and back.
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