Since I'm getting a lot of comments about it, the sound effect at the beginning is the noise Divine makes when she poops out a charm. Glad you all are enjoying it so much :)
Can't wait for January 19th 2029 when I can spend the rest of my life collecting 8,000 fleas, logging 3x10^10000 enemies in a journal, completing 215 unique quests, and trying to beat a 72 hour boss rush mode
@@eldonhill4840 "Every day added to the game's development = every day a better game" is not necessarily true. Stories like the one in the vid make me anxious for one thing: bloated ambitions that are not realised. I know Team Cherry are good at what they're doing, but this pitfall is very prevalent. I hope there is a solid core game and that Team Cherry stuck to the "we can wrap it up whenever" design philosophy, but a 2nd game is an entirely different beast than a 1st game. Mossbag explains a few aspects of that.
Being polished to perfection before release was the one thing that set Hollow Knight apart. Especially in the 2D platform format where games are legions but most of them are just cheap flash based turds. It took a long time to elevate Hollow Knight from that pitfall and it will take a long time for Silksong. Team Cherry is doing exactly what makes Hollow Knight successful so there's nothing to worry about.
Don't worry, Team Cherry just threw a bunch of assets into the void that is code, and they're just waiting for the perfect copy of Silksong to climb out.
The problem of setting the bar so damn high with your previous game... (and the "problem" of not having a large team and a greedy publisher whipping the backs of underpaid developers to work 16 hour days, 7 days a week.)
3:23 You're in luck, mossbag! I'm actually one of the other eight people who live in Australia, and I will notify you IMMEDIATELY should the average height above sea level dip into the negatives. I won't be able to do much if the ground harnesses disconnect, though. Luckily Team Cherry has actually captured the entirety of the continent's spider population to study as a reference for Silksong, so that won't be much of an issue!
Those are some big f#cking spiders for study my dude like imagine a body where it is literally a sidney funnel web spider that would make this game numero uno on my list to show and recommend to aracnophobics
I had the superstition that silksong would come out when I finally completed the pantheon. But I gave up after I faced absolute radiance for the first time. Sorry guys, it's all my fault.
We all know that Hollow Knight is just a recreation of what happens under Ari Gibsons Couch, so for Silksong they're probably just waiting for another bug society to evolve before they can fully recreate it and develop Silksong
yeah, take the Deltarune approach with it. Complete radio silence, except every six months they tweet out an update that's almost entirely devoid of content but at least confirms they're working on it
But that wasn't the issue. If im not mistaken they had a new person overseeing the project and had them remove majority of the game in exchange for things like first person, etc. Im not going to pretend to know a bunch but cdproject red shot themselves in the foot. And no amount of time would have changed the outcome of the game. Its shallow inside and out. I can say this from 40 hours of play experience and still owning the game
You know, after I waited for second game of psychonauts for 14 years this is really not a big deal. And after all this is a very small studio. And I imagine these guys are under enormous pressure right now and they don't have marketing or whatever department to deal with an angry crowd
@@Tubeytime Imagine you had amazing technology. What would you do? 1. Fly out into merciless space to talk with ingrate space monkeys. 2. Play amazing video games.
"Scope way bigger than anticipated." This was a DLC OF THE FIRST GAME. Of course the scope's bigger! Although, it being EVEN BIGGER than their initial game idea is perfectly fine by me. I'd rather wait years for a masterpiece than talk for years about what COULD have been one.
That's exactly what I think. We just need to look at Gamefreak and Pokemon and we have the perfect example for rushed games, although for other reasons. So in other words, getting a nice and polished and, of course, finished game at release is much better than having to install a 5 GB day 1 patch or just a very unpolished game in general
Note that they didn't say anything about that the scope of the game is bigger than Hollow Knight. Only bigger than they expected. The "bigger than HK" is just wishful thinking 🙂 (though I personally also wish Silksong was even bigger than Hollow Knight and I can wait very long for it)
well said, I have the same opinion. Its the same opinion I have with Hytale. Exept their studio made the mistake of giving deadlines and then realising they want the initial release of the game to be bigger. honestly think it would be better if they released an alpha and then worked with the feedback of the community to make it better
Team Cherry cutting themselves off and going radio silent is the absolute ideal approach, though not for us eager fans. It keeps their work from being pressured or influenced, and it also gives them the [hold B to] focus to really make something of quality that they themselves actually care about. Not all game developers have this luxury, we should appreciate it.
Reminds me of the video Internet Historian made on No Man's Sky. It was only when they cut themselves off from social media and stopped trying to do PR that they were really able to work on what was important: fixing the game. Hopefully that's what's happening here.
@@wonderlilane3724 Yeah, because even the most well-meaning of fans have ideas of how a game "should be," but game design by committee doesn't work. And Team Cherry is in a really different situation now than they were with Hollow Knight, because nobody had any particularly high expectations for Hollow Knight, but the hype for Silksong is unreal. They KNOW that the quality matters here, and it's a good sign that they're holding everything close to the chest, I think.
If Christopher Larkin shared another OST video, that'd be enough for me. I can't tell you how many times i've listened to the clips of Lace & Bonebottom
Lace is already an absolute masterpiece to me. The fact that ma boy Larkin now gets to go all-out with a group of actual violinists combined with his already fantastic composition makes my that much more exited to see what the rest of the soundtrack will be like.
I 100% agree with this haha- I am in no rush to play silksong, but I love Larkin’s work! This is because I haven’t beat p5 or the pantheons with all bindings yet
Plot twist: Team Cherry is making an ending for every seemingly small choice in Holllow Knight. You killed Myla? New ending. Menderbug? New ending. You saved Zote!? The darkest timeline begins...
As long as Silksong matches hollow knight, I'll be happy with what they release. Anything above and beyond just makes the game more memorable & makes me appreciate it more
Sequels are always a rough spot. It's nigh impossible to match or even surpass the love of the original. Someone or even many will always complain and whine about one simple issue, and it will turn into a never ending spiral of fighting. That being said, i'm excited for silksong. No matter what happens i'll back Team Cherry up, i have faith in them.
@@Vepzzzzz Yeah, people nitpicking or being disappointed because of themselves is always what I'm worried about when a game I love makes a sequel.. The only thing I'm personally iffy about is 1 quests and 2 diverse combat. 1 because its easy to make quests boring and farmy and 2 I'm just kinda bad and combat items and menus scare me. (I might've beaten ToF and p5 but it took a WHILE and was more luck, time, and stress than skill) I know I'm gonna ultimately love the game in the end, just going into a new area and hearing Christopher Larkin's music is enough to send me. All we have to do is wait.
@@Vepzzzzz people will inevitably hate on Silksong, for how long it has been hyped. I just want to spend a week completely off internet holed in my room, lost in its world, and then be apathetic to any and all opinions. That literally all i want- a world to explore and get lost in.
As agonizing as the wait is. For the love of god Team Cherry, TAKE YOUR TIME!!! Don't let fan expectations get to you, as impossible as that sounds. You guys caught lightning in a bottle once I'm sure you can catch a whole ass storm under a simpsons dome if you take your time with this.
By the time silksong comes out the meta will be so far developed that we'll be playing Melee with our minds. The only means of winning are through which fox player has a greater iq
I believe that by the point Silksong releases 20XX will have already been reached and long since passed, as people discover the true Luigi meta intended for a level of play the height of which we cannot yet possibly conceive
The fact that silksong is taking this long just goes to show how team cherry is putting as much work as they can so they can make silksong as good as hollow knight was.
Cyberpunk taught us delays don't mean good, actually as it turns out nothing literally means nothing. They could be stuck on a stupid technical issue and are embarrassed, lost the code for the entire game...
@@Buglin_Burger7878 Cyberpunk did the opposite... same with games like No Man’s Sky. They were games that weren’t ready to be released yet and NEEDED to be delayed so it can actually be polished and be in the condition the studio wanted, but demand and money can make everything go down hill.
"They're STILL waiting!?" "They think we're still working on it, of course they're still waiting." "Maybe we should just release it" "No, I want to see how far this goes." Edit: I'm going to steal the liver of every person who liked this comment. Edit2: according to google and the price of human livers, I legally own 496,287,000 dollars in livers.
100 generations later: u/weeblesjeebles’s (the poorly drawing hollow knight guy) descendants are now a religion which believes silksong is the messiah, so many groundbreaking fan mods and projects have been made that a content mod 10 times the size of vanilla hollow knight is the expectation, and team cherry’s descendants continue to honor their forefather’s advice: “not yet ferb”
I find it fascinating how similar the stories between the development of Silksong and BotW2 are: so many DLC ideas that grew too large, requiring an entirely new game. Main difference is the size of the development team. Team Cherry is just a handful of people compared to the media giant of Nintendo. Nonetheless, I am very excited to see the finished products, and I'd rather wait a lifetime for a better game than a rushed one.
@@johnblack4307 I'm pretty sure they have botw and mario galaxy mixed up. Mario galaxy 2 was originally going to be called "mario galaxy more" because it was essentially just dlc on a different disc, until they realized that would sell terribly and ended up making it a sequel. If only they realized the same thing when they conceived of the wii u...
Kinda unrelated but there is a gta pvp youtuber that was so upset about rockstars hilariously poor balancing that he made a series where he modded several vehicles to show how easy it would be and how much it would improve the game. He just changed some values and sfx nothing too crazy but his dedication to an 8 year old game is astonishing.
The real 'the real blank was the friends we made along the way' meme was all the the friends we made along the way memes we made along the way. And the way along the friends was the realist we made. ~Thomas Jefferson
As an Australian, I can confirm that we HAVE sunk in the ocean and are all living underwater, and that's how team cherry lost all their silksong progress and the world authorities are trying to hide it otherwise hollow knight fans will storm Parliament House.
As a Western Australian, this is misinformation and I don’t appreciate this. The truth is, Australia never existed, and they made it up so they could dump all their convicts in the ocean.
Team Cherry aren’t going to release it until it is perfect. I trust them to release a completely polished product. I am content with that, I’m fine with them taking their time.
Incredibly well put together video, as always! Blew my mind a little when my avatar unexpectedly popped up on screen 😅 - very surreal! Thanks so much for the mention! Great perspective on Team Cherry wanting to get Silksong tip top from the get go, cos of the fact there will be insane numbers, playing from the minute it drops. Always feels to me Team Cherry have an almost insatiable creativity, that comes so naturally to them. I’m betting Silksong is gonna be a huge game and something very special indeed. Personally very happy waiting patiently to let them do their thing, as I’m sure they’re very keen to get things spot on. Super excited to jump in when it’s time! Awesome video once again, my friend! 🔥🍻😊
While I am excited for silksong, I do want it to be good. So I don't care how long it takes to make I just want Team Cherry to be happy with what the game ends up being by release.
Btw. Christopher Larkin recently updated his website, more specifically the "Contact"-section, which reads: "As I'm a full time composer and sound designer without a personal assistant, this means I may not always be able to keep up with emails, and due to the time that I need to dedicate to my work, I'm no longer able to provide answers to questionnaires. However! please check back after Silksong is released, as I hope to be dedicating more of my time to the community then! Thank you!" This text updated about... 1 or 2 months ago (?), which means... maybe we could get some more fantastic Silksong Music-Samples in the near future :D
It's taking so long because they're gonna try and cram every possible thing into the game, and then after it released we'll get another 8 free DLCs. And the game will launch at $2. Team Cherry are actually gonna bankrupt themselves making the greatest games of all time.
You can't go bankrupt if your fans donate thousands of dollars the moment you mention "financial issues" especially if it's followed by "will slow down development" lol
Hollow Knight’s existence itself is all the reason I need to trust that Team Cherry will deliver a quality product when, and _only_ when, Silksong is well and truly ready. Until then, I’m content to wait as long as necessary.
Can't wait for Silksong to be so full of content it reaches Noita levels of intricacy and half the achievements are only acquired by 2 people on the planet
@@DistressedCrab good to know they got some more helpon board! though even if there were more people involved, I'd still be surprised by the impatience.
@@Binkyouka A lot of it is silence, going radio silent about something normally means something major. So people are getting nervous. Is it canceled? Are there issues? Is everything okay? Is it almost done?
I hope Silksong doesn't end up being too big, from the sounds of it they seem to be overdoing it. Then again, I probably would finish the game even if it was 10 times larger than the first game.
i believe they are aware of the risk of "scope creep" and that they have it under control, based on this: 1- From their last blogpost, in December 2019: "And as some assurance: We’re not just randomly building things without an end in site. We know how this story unfolds and as much as we add, our intent is always to evoke the feeling of exploring a vast, surprising new world; one that matches (or exceeds) the scale and diversity of the original game." 2- From Leth's comment in the HK Discord server, in early 2021: (User): SS is not going to be rushed. Leth: Well...not in the same sense as HK . Leth: Now the challenge is to keep ourselves from adding too much and making the game take forever. Not “rushing” but more like... being mindful of scope creep.
@@alsartsavience3512 fantastically informative comment, I think I can sigh in relief knowing that team cherry are aware of their own bad habits and are actively being mindful of it, scope creeping is the demise of many a worldbuilders, hopefully it will not happen to silksong
When people got mad with OmoCat and the devs of Omori when there wasn’t a lot of updates, one of the devs said that blog posts are difficult to make because the amount of coding they had to do to make something work might not be interesting to some. I feel like for SS being so much more complicated then an RPGMaker game, Team Cherry likely feels the same way.
"This month we were uh...optimising keyboard inputs and fixing a jump mechanic bug...is that what you guys want to hear about?" Probably something like that
This is not a good take. Omori was a kickstarted project. OmoCat *had* to deliver regular updates, because people already gave them money to make the game. At that point, you have a responsibility to your backers to provide them with regular updates, regardless of whether they're "boring" or not. I'm actually kind of upset that OmoCat and their team didn't suffer any real consequences for their absurd radio silence. Yes, Omori is a masterpiece, but maybe take the time to talk to your backers? They literally funded your game. Silksong, however, is not a kickstarter project, therefore they can basically do whatever they want.
@@AA-rh5ee Silksong at its core *is* a kickstarter project though. It began as a Hollowknight DLC that got so much funding that it became its own base game.
Honestly, as someone with an interest in computer science, I would be down for a blog post that is just "there was this one bug, and it took us 3 days to figure out what the problem was"
It's funny how metroidvanias like hollow knight were used to tide people over until a new metroid game came out and now a metroid game is being used to tide people over until silksong comes out.
Well, while we wait for Silksong to release, I've managed to: -discover Hollow knight through one streamer that I follow -play Hollow knight for the first time, first feel and everything, very special -have fun doing so and getting hooked -finish the game to FULL completion in one save file -discover the wonders of this community -lost my precious savefile because my hard drive got FUBARed, no cloud save -get my heath broken by said incident -get sad -heal my wounds in about half a year -play the game yet again, right now, with cloud saving this time, intend to FULL completion again because I'm that crazy and I love the game that much :)
Me: “I’ll ask you this one time. Where is silksong?” Team cherry giving few updates about the game: “yeah, I’ll do you one better, who is silksong?” Mossbag: “I’ll do you one better, why is silksong?”
I'd like to add that on the APWOT book/magazine, on the team Cherry interview it is mentioned that TC is relatively ignorant about Silksong discussion (aka avoids looking at Silksong talk from the fans) Probably a sign that they want as little pressure as possible with making the game.
Guys chill. Seriously. Games take a LONG ass time to make. This nonstop ''where is it'' attitude is the reason Crunch exists. Its the reason studios burn out completely. Its the reason companies like EA get away with releasing the same crap over and over. Go play something else and relax. Stop pressuring the devs, stop over hyping the game and just......relax. It will come out when its ready. "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad" - Shigeru Miyamoto
I think people forget that this kind of games take a really long time to make, Undertale, Cuphead, Omori, even Hollow Knight, all of them took a lot of effort and time to make, so we shall be patient and not put so much pressure on TC, the lads are doing as much as they can
I've been so behind on the modding community, I didn't even know the existence of the fan made projects that are being created. We've really come a long way.
_Thank you_ for the clarification that Leth _recommended_ TC to make blog post, not that _blog posts would be coming._ That was something I saw thrown around a lot, mostly because of word of mouth and people not interested in watching the full interview. Also, thanks for the little note about even Leth raising eyebrows about TC's continuous idea stuff, that was another detail nobody brought up that I found quite interesting.
I feel like adding too much abilities later in the development breaks some portions in the early game so they often have to revisit the map design and the geometry of the level to not mess with the flow of the game.
Honestly, I'm not even mad about Silksong taking so long. Sure, I'm anticipating it more than I have with almost any other game, but they're putting their hearts and souls into it and I can't wait to see how much work they've put into it!
I deeply respect Team Cherry for not spoiling us with updates, it makes me feel like the secrets that will be in the game will actually be something worth discovering, same goes with Toby Fox and Deltarune.
I say you don't, it will make the wait longer for you. If that's not that big of a deal then continue ofc, but if you find yourself waiting for Silksong a lot then shut yourself off from most Hollow Knight related stuff
Honestly, something you said has made me think. If Team Cherry is capable of shoving as much as they want into Silksong, how much could they add before it all becomes too much for Silksongs own good?
Yh exactly, bloating your game with content or having mindless filler is very, very bad. They should save a lot of stuff for dlc, so people don't get bored of the game in one go
Definitely a possibility, though the line drawn will be due to personal taste. Also the fact that this is artist driven can lead to long development times too, but they seem professional enough that this shouldn't impact greatly
This is honestly another issue I have. I fear the intense hype surrounding the game will force expectations through the roof, thus leading to immense scope creep and excessively bloating the game. Which, in turn, leads to an immensely strained and unfocused development. Trying to do everything to the game to please such an excessive hype. These types of situations _rarely_ end well and it leads to me being very concerned for the game's future. Hollow Knight got away with that development because it was a decently modest success with very little expectations. And as stated, TC literally ran out of money making that baby, thus forcing them to draw a line somewhere. They obviously won't have that issue for Silksong for a very long time. Which can be both a blessing and a curse. Deadlines can, sometimes, be quite important. Yeah, I'm rambling a smidge, but you get my points... I honestly don't envy Team Cherry right now. When (or rather, if) the game comes out, it's gonna either be a landmark point of the genre, or it's going to be a catastrophic bomb, even if the game itself isn't inherently that awful. That's the danger of hype culture...
I think the content they're now adding is optional stuff off the path that you can just skip and rush towards progression if you get impatient. the paths to the basic ending is probably extremely polished right now. they said they could just finish the game at any time and the main path would probably be great.
Leth has mentioned before that they know this can be an issue, to directly quote him in the discord, he said: "Now the challenge is to keep ourselves from adding too much and making the game take forever. Not 'rushing' but more like... being mindful of scope creep" - 1/15/2021 And for what its worth, the last blogpost back in 2019 also says the following: "And as some assurance: We’re not just randomly building things without an end in site. We know how this story unfolds and as much as we add, our intent is always to evoke the feeling of exploring a vast, surprising new world; one that matches (or exceeds) the scale and diversity of the original game."
Imagine if the homeless guy who dropped his sandwich decided to not leave it on the street and in turn made one of team cherry's devs die of starvation while making hollow knight 😔
This was a wonderful video! You brought up a bunch of really intelligent points I'd never considered before, like how they might be staying silent to avoid distractions from the internet losing their minds. I take a generally patient approach with the view that Silksong is like a fine wine, but it was interesting to hear theories about their unconventional approach to publicity during development. Really all of it was very insightful!
I have no expectations for Silksong. To be perfectly honest, the game isn't even in my wheelhouse as far as genres I typically play, but the artwork, the soundtrack, the "worldbuilding" (and I use the term loosely)... it's just beautiful. I even bought the Wanderer's Journal, and over a year later, I still haven't beaten Hollow Knight (nag all you want, I'm just not that into playing hard games for the sake of overcoming them). I hope they don't let the hype get to them. Even though TC has been quiet and made few, if any promises, people can and will still overhype themselves.
Agreed I just hope they release the game and it isn’t bloated. But considering how much they added to hollow knight and they polished it after cutting stuff this maybe a non issue. Outside of this the only real promises they made is that it’s probably bigger than HK, it has hornet, and it’s going to be the same difficulty and quality
My guess is late 2022 or beginning of 2023. My other prediction is that, even if it doesn't live up to the hype, it will still be a great game. But my expectation is that SilkSong will be at least as good as Hollow Knight.
What I've learned from Cris Tales is to just be patient, it'll be ready when it's ready. Cris Tales came out way sooner than it honestly should've, and was rife with bugs, problems, crashes, and imbalanced combat.
One the one hand, we all need to learn some patience so TC isn't caught in an anxiety spiral as they try to meet our expectations. On the other hand, SILKSONG WEN
Great video mossbag. 😃 And yeah, the hype machine for Silksong is real strong but I'm also hoping for tempered expectations when it's released in 209X. 😉
I feel like team Cherry is just sitting down about to finish the game and then one of em just says “wouldn’t this be cool?” And then they spend 1 more month on the game. This repeats all the way until June, when they promised to release the game. A few days before they will go. “Wouldn’t this be cool?” And the other one would go “but we have a release date?” And finally the first one would go “eh, they waited 5 years hey can wait more!”
I’m glad to hear they’re taking their time to make this game sizeable and polished, especially if it’s gonna be the last game they’ll make in the HK world for a while. I’m looking forward to it, however long it takes.
I remodeled the entryway of my house around the same time I finally got around to playing (and falling in love with) Hollow Knight. This meant I ended up creating a custom stencil to replicate the wallpaper in the City of Tears and used it in the entire space. I'm patient about Silksong. But the hype is real.
Since I'm getting a lot of comments about it, the sound effect at the beginning is the noise Divine makes when she poops out a charm. Glad you all are enjoying it so much :)
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Thank you, I will use this knowledge accordingly
what.
I had my volume at max you madman
Can't wait for January 19th 2029 when I can spend the rest of my life collecting 8,000 fleas, logging 3x10^10000 enemies in a journal, completing 215 unique quests, and trying to beat a 72 hour boss rush mode
True
same!
Don't forget about the 15719% completion
I thought I remembered you from mosscord!
Me too :)
TC are actually still working fixing the issue where staggered bosses can still hit you, so I assume we won’t get Silksong until 7 years from now.
Bold assumption, I’m willing to bet double or nothing. 14 years.
@@shalun3593 I'll give it a century.
It’s the real one cook
I meant cool
@@shalun3593 I’ll raise that to 28 years
So basically, every day we don’t have silksong is just another day for it to be a better game.
Yeah... no, not necessarily.
@@ceolitzinvg what does that mean?
@@eldonhill4840 "Every day added to the game's development = every day a better game" is not necessarily true. Stories like the one in the vid make me anxious for one thing: bloated ambitions that are not realised. I know Team Cherry are good at what they're doing, but this pitfall is very prevalent.
I hope there is a solid core game and that Team Cherry stuck to the "we can wrap it up whenever" design philosophy, but a 2nd game is an entirely different beast than a 1st game. Mossbag explains a few aspects of that.
Being polished to perfection before release was the one thing that set Hollow Knight apart. Especially in the 2D platform format where games are legions but most of them are just cheap flash based turds. It took a long time to elevate Hollow Knight from that pitfall and it will take a long time for Silksong. Team Cherry is doing exactly what makes Hollow Knight successful so there's nothing to worry about.
Laughs in Duke Nukem Forever
Don't worry, Team Cherry just threw a bunch of assets into the void that is code, and they're just waiting for the perfect copy of Silksong to climb out.
Like Kings to Vessels...
Where that copy will then use its emptiness to capture the infection that is the Hollow Knight community... for at least 3 business days.
@@starshot8842 yeah.... that's the whole joke
@@matttully3178 And then fuck up the ending cus they never went to path of pain..
so that's the reason its taking so long, hornet isn't void!
I’m really looking forward to some of the fan made side projects until Silksong is ready. The fandom really is awesome
you are awesome
@@saurabh95mishra ok who asked
hahaa i dont even remember changing my pfp to hornet, did it like 2 years ago lol
@@AayushSrivastava0307 wut
@@iamusingaclient9659 nobody asked for your opinion either
Silksong is getting the classic Metroid treatment: announce the game and then release it 8 years later.
😂
Can't be a metroidvania any other way
Start development in 2005, release the game 16 years later
The problem of setting the bar so damn high with your previous game... (and the "problem" of not having a large team and a greedy publisher whipping the backs of underpaid developers to work 16 hour days, 7 days a week.)
@@Kadotus you could just type 16/7
3:23 You're in luck, mossbag! I'm actually one of the other eight people who live in Australia, and I will notify you IMMEDIATELY should the average height above sea level dip into the negatives. I won't be able to do much if the ground harnesses disconnect, though. Luckily Team Cherry has actually captured the entirety of the continent's spider population to study as a reference for Silksong, so that won't be much of an issue!
@Jaaaco "one of the *other* 8"
I’m glad there are people like you who are there to keep Team Ch- I mean Australia safe
This comment is amazing
Those are some big f#cking spiders for study my dude like imagine a body where it is literally a sidney funnel web spider that would make this game numero uno on my list to show and recommend to aracnophobics
Hey, you are one of the eight too? Glad to know you’re also alive.
Can't wait for Team Cherry to tell us that Silksong was just an experiment to see how long us hollow knight fans will wait for a new game
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😂
Bruh even elden ring has a release date now
They’ve actually been working on Hungry Knight 2!!!
Valve already doing that experiment
Watching this 2 years later... 2028 seems feasible now for the release date💀
XD
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ye 2028 seems way too real now
i really does ! even for me !
Everytime a player dies to absolute radiance, "Silksong" is delayed 1 more day. I might have delayed the game for a year, sorry
Hey, it just means more content.
Well sh¡†, I hope they don't discover MY game files then....
They'll probably never have to release Silksong if that happens.
I had the superstition that silksong would come out when I finally completed the pantheon. But I gave up after I faced absolute radiance for the first time. Sorry guys, it's all my fault.
@@greyfox4838 "just win lol" sun tzu
Well, now I know to never attempt the pantheon, I would die so much that Silksong would be out in 4199
We all know that Hollow Knight is just a recreation of what happens under Ari Gibsons Couch, so for Silksong they're probably just waiting for another bug society to evolve before they can fully recreate it and develop Silksong
Lmao
Instead of the couch their looking for the bed, or the chair, or the basement
@@matttale7918 Under their bell.
It is Australia afterall, many spiders.
@@nicholasmize2798 sounds about right
The multiplayer mods vids on Fireborn's channel has been some of my favorite content to watch recently XD
Ah man of culture
Same
cyberpunk 2077: that's true
@It’sNormaltbh imagine being suprised, because someone used the most popular emoji
If you are waiting for this game too can you watch my hollow knight montage on my Chanel and tell me your opinion? :)
They always ask “Where is Silksong?” but never “Do I deserve Silksong?”
anyone that did p5 very much deserves Silksong
@@dedo9990 I beat p3, so I got access to p4, and at that point might as well say it's p5, so I agree.
tbh none of us deserve it, yet, we need it
@@akkaruinikko7872 Agreed
Does anyone deserve silksong?
I just wish TC wrote something like "hey guys, we're alive" once in a while, hah
yeah, take the Deltarune approach with it.
Complete radio silence, except every six months they tweet out an update that's almost entirely devoid of content but at least confirms they're working on it
Why
IKR
If there’s anything cyperpunk taught me, it’s that you should give game developers all the time they need
The world shouldve learned that for alot of things, no mans sky is a big one.
@@xelectrix_1863 at least no mans sky prevailed
But that wasn't the issue. If im not mistaken they had a new person overseeing the project and had them remove majority of the game in exchange for things like first person, etc. Im not going to pretend to know a bunch but cdproject red shot themselves in the foot. And no amount of time would have changed the outcome of the game. Its shallow inside and out. I can say this from 40 hours of play experience and still owning the game
Fans didn't rush the game out, the suits at CDPR did. Not the fans fault at all
Duke nukem forever would say otherwise.
The hype has transcended into a calm state of peace and hope. Hope that one day, Silksong will be released.
As eldenring before us, we shall wait
As a GD player, i'm so aquinted with this state of hype that it feels strange when the hype is different
@@hiricus7945 gd?
@@db5094 Geometry dash to be more precise
@@hiricus7945 2.2 still not out huh?
Ok so can we just take a moment to honor weebles jeebles for staying commited to a 600+ day project of poorly drawing hollow knight the mans a legend
Did she even stop yet?
Pretty sure I saw a new Post yesterday
*she
ParashockX has been doing the same thing, albeit for youtube removing dislikes
u/Wogopi has been going at Morp for over 400
there's not even a mention of "he" in this comment, tf y'all doing lol
"A delayed game is eventually good, but holy fuck Team Cherry"
~Shigeru Miyamoto
Lmao
Oh, thats Fern!
Zelda fans: @first time?”
You know, after I waited for second game of psychonauts for 14 years this is really not a big deal. And after all this is a very small studio. And I imagine these guys are under enormous pressure right now and they don't have marketing or whatever department to deal with an angry crowd
I imagine one of them is sitting in a corner hugging his knees and crying
"Whenever Silksong isn't on screen everyone should ask 'Where's Silksong?'"
Team cherry:Everyone ask “where is silk song” but no one asked “how is silk song “
@@thefolder3086
Developing
silksong died on the way back to its home planet
I love that this video was uploaded TWO F*CKING YEARS AGO
Imagine when Silksong releases, you buy your first map, and then, when you open the world map, your area covers like 2% of it
This answers the Fermi Paradox, the aliens are all busy playing 1000 year games where the map gets bigger faster than players can explore.
@@Tubeytime Imagine you had amazing technology. What would you do?
1. Fly out into merciless space to talk with ingrate space monkeys.
2. Play amazing video games.
Ahhh the feels
Is mapping even making a return? I can't recall it being mentioned so far.
@@Koushakur Yes, there was an NPC called Shakra, who works as the new Cornifer
"Scope way bigger than anticipated." This was a DLC OF THE FIRST GAME. Of course the scope's bigger! Although, it being EVEN BIGGER than their initial game idea is perfectly fine by me. I'd rather wait years for a masterpiece than talk for years about what COULD have been one.
That's exactly what I think. We just need to look at Gamefreak and Pokemon and we have the perfect example for rushed games, although for other reasons. So in other words, getting a nice and polished and, of course, finished game at release is much better than having to install a 5 GB day 1 patch or just a very unpolished game in general
I'm scared that the map will just be a Google image of a complicated circuit diagram. You'll understand if you search that.
@@duckykevkev4337 Don't worry, you can always pass on your save file to your children and grandchildren.
Note that they didn't say anything about that the scope of the game is bigger than Hollow Knight. Only bigger than they expected. The "bigger than HK" is just wishful thinking 🙂 (though I personally also wish Silksong was even bigger than Hollow Knight and I can wait very long for it)
well said, I have the same opinion. Its the same opinion I have with Hytale. Exept their studio made the mistake of giving deadlines and then realising they want the initial release of the game to be bigger. honestly think it would be better if they released an alpha and then worked with the feedback of the community to make it better
2 years later I'm still asking the same question, where's Silksong?
lmao
🫠
Team Cherry cutting themselves off and going radio silent is the absolute ideal approach, though not for us eager fans. It keeps their work from being pressured or influenced, and it also gives them the [hold B to] focus to really make something of quality that they themselves actually care about. Not all game developers have this luxury, we should appreciate it.
Reminds me of the video Internet Historian made on No Man's Sky. It was only when they cut themselves off from social media and stopped trying to do PR that they were really able to work on what was important: fixing the game. Hopefully that's what's happening here.
Still wish we could get a simple "it's still coming" once a year.
@@LightningStryke27 Yeah...
@@wonderlilane3724 Yeah, because even the most well-meaning of fans have ideas of how a game "should be," but game design by committee doesn't work. And Team Cherry is in a really different situation now than they were with Hollow Knight, because nobody had any particularly high expectations for Hollow Knight, but the hype for Silksong is unreal. They KNOW that the quality matters here, and it's a good sign that they're holding everything close to the chest, I think.
It also spoils less for us. My favorite gaming experiences have been games I know barely anything about prior.
If Christopher Larkin shared another OST video, that'd be enough for me. I can't tell you how many times i've listened to the clips of Lace & Bonebottom
i completely agree, i just want another song
🥺👉👈😔
Lace is already an absolute masterpiece to me. The fact that ma boy Larkin now gets to go all-out with a group of actual violinists combined with his already fantastic composition makes my that much more exited to see what the rest of the soundtrack will be like.
I 100% agree with this haha- I am in no rush to play silksong, but I love Larkin’s work! This is because I haven’t beat p5 or the pantheons with all bindings yet
Bonebottom is so fucking good. The atmosphere is just so lethargic, I love it to bits!
@@mynickisnick8270 same, as a fandom, i think our goal is to make Bonebottom reach 1m views before Silksong releases
I don't care if it takes another 3 years to complete, I really don't. I just want to have another experience as magical as HK was.
Plot twist: Team Cherry is making an ending for every seemingly small choice in Holllow Knight. You killed Myla? New ending. Menderbug? New ending. You saved Zote!? The darkest timeline begins...
Bro, if only I could save Myla...
@@bbittercoffee You can, though I'm pretty sure it's really difficult. Relyea (I probably spelt that wrong) did a video on it.
@@rinastar1952 no it's impossible, unless you count the true endings that remove the infection
@@Nao-ze5sz its actually possible using precise skips. skurry made a video called "beating hollow knight without crystal dash" that shows how.
Nice OC!
As long as Silksong matches hollow knight, I'll be happy with what they release. Anything above and beyond just makes the game more memorable & makes me appreciate it more
Sequels are always a rough spot. It's nigh impossible to match or even surpass the love of the original. Someone or even many will always complain and whine about one simple issue, and it will turn into a never ending spiral of fighting.
That being said, i'm excited for silksong. No matter what happens i'll back Team Cherry up, i have faith in them.
@@Vepzzzzz Yeah, people nitpicking or being disappointed because of themselves is always what I'm worried about when a game I love makes a sequel.. The only thing I'm personally iffy about is 1 quests and 2 diverse combat. 1 because its easy to make quests boring and farmy and 2 I'm just kinda bad and combat items and menus scare me. (I might've beaten ToF and p5 but it took a WHILE and was more luck, time, and stress than skill)
I know I'm gonna ultimately love the game in the end, just going into a new area and hearing Christopher Larkin's music is enough to send me. All we have to do is wait.
@@Vepzzzzz people will inevitably hate on Silksong, for how long it has been hyped.
I just want to spend a week completely off internet holed in my room, lost in its world, and then be apathetic to any and all opinions. That literally all i want- a world to explore and get lost in.
Möth
As agonizing as the wait is. For the love of god Team Cherry, TAKE YOUR TIME!!! Don't let fan expectations get to you, as impossible as that sounds. You guys caught lightning in a bottle once I'm sure you can catch a whole ass storm under a simpsons dome if you take your time with this.
Love your profile pic ;;)
The year is 20XX. Everyone plays Melee Fox at TAS levels of perfection. And Silk Song still hasn't come out yet.
By the time silksong comes out the meta will be so far developed that we'll be playing Melee with our minds. The only means of winning are through which fox player has a greater iq
I believe that by the point Silksong releases 20XX will have already been reached and long since passed, as people discover the true Luigi meta intended for a level of play the height of which we cannot yet possibly conceive
What Star Citizen or Half Life 3? Maybe Deltarune?
This joke is actually really good.
@@Felsmukk Bruh wtf even happened to Deltarune?
We always ask "Where is Silksong?", but we never ask "How is Silksong?"
I'll do YOU one better: WHY is Silksong?!
Because we already know that Silksong is gud.
@@TheGrinningGamer because HK was such a huge hit and while it was originally a DLC, TC decided to expand it out to a whole new game.
Mr. Drax, sir
@@mosquitopyjamas9048 When did we establish that? I wasn't listening. I was thinking of something else.
@@TheGrinningGamer are you standing completely still? I can't see you at all!
Two years ago. How quaint.
how does it feel
Zote has silk song he just doesn’t want to give it that’s why he gets captured all the time.
The fact that silksong is taking this long just goes to show how team cherry is putting as much work as they can so they can make silksong as good as hollow knight was.
Yeah, that's why i don't mind the wait
I think they want to make it even better then HK
Better*
Cyberpunk taught us delays don't mean good, actually as it turns out nothing literally means nothing. They could be stuck on a stupid technical issue and are embarrassed, lost the code for the entire game...
@@Buglin_Burger7878 Cyberpunk did the opposite... same with games like No Man’s Sky. They were games that weren’t ready to be released yet and NEEDED to be delayed so it can actually be polished and be in the condition the studio wanted, but demand and money can make everything go down hill.
Someday we will all look back at this time and have a nice laugh.
"They're STILL waiting!?"
"They think we're still working on it, of course they're still waiting."
"Maybe we should just release it"
"No, I want to see how far this goes."
Edit: I'm going to steal the liver of every person who liked this comment.
Edit2: according to google and the price of human livers, I legally own 496,287,000 dollars in livers.
30 years later
Not yet..
40 years later:
"Hey Gabe, they still waiting for your game too, huh?"
Looking at how M hollow knight fandom is, this may not be that far from truth
As soon as everyone stops waiting for the game, it will be released.
100 generations later:
u/weeblesjeebles’s (the poorly drawing hollow knight guy) descendants are now a religion which believes silksong is the messiah, so many groundbreaking fan mods and projects have been made that a content mod 10 times the size of vanilla hollow knight is the expectation, and team cherry’s descendants continue to honor their forefather’s advice: “not yet ferb”
I find it fascinating how similar the stories between the development of Silksong and BotW2 are: so many DLC ideas that grew too large, requiring an entirely new game. Main difference is the size of the development team. Team Cherry is just a handful of people compared to the media giant of Nintendo. Nonetheless, I am very excited to see the finished products, and I'd rather wait a lifetime for a better game than a rushed one.
Can i get a source for the claim that botw2 was dlc ideas that ballooned into a sequel? I’ve never heard that.
@@johnblack4307 I'm pretty sure they have botw and mario galaxy mixed up. Mario galaxy 2 was originally going to be called "mario galaxy more" because it was essentially just dlc on a different disc, until they realized that would sell terribly and ended up making it a sequel. If only they realized the same thing when they conceived of the wii u...
@@ngmonster1017 they don’t have the games mixed up, I’ve seen so many people talking about that botw2 was supposed to be just dlc for ages now
@@rickgamek6830 But has nintendo ever stated that it was just dlc? People might just be assuming.
@@ngmonster1017 Nintendo said it was dlc
Elden Ring, a literal myth, was announced before Silksong
Let That sink in.
I swear to God if TF2 updates majorly before Silksong, I'm gonna lose it.
TF3
Ayy we share fandoms.
We share pain.
@@MartinPurathur don't go hollow on me
Half Life 3 incoming before Silksong
@@SomeSnowman12 Don't give people hope..
don't worry mossbag, the community is so bored that
*WE WILL CREATE SILKSONG*
Why can I see this?
@@JouganNeon because it is already happening with tidetale
Kinda unrelated but there is a gta pvp youtuber that was so upset about rockstars hilariously poor balancing that he made a series where he modded several vehicles to show how easy it would be and how much it would improve the game. He just changed some values and sfx nothing too crazy but his dedication to an 8 year old game is astonishing.
@@omnom8378 Don't... remind me that GTA V is 8 years old...
You're making me feel old :(
The real Silksong was the friends we made along the way
You’re not wrong😭
Wow... That's deep brother.
The real 'the real blank was the friends we made along the way' meme was all the the friends we made along the way memes we made along the way. And the way along the friends was the realist we made.
~Thomas Jefferson
@@notthis9586 TRUE
Exactly. The thing both friends and Silksong have in common is that I don't have either of them yet.
i cant fucking keep doing this anymore
As an Australian, I can confirm that we HAVE sunk in the ocean and are all living underwater, and that's how team cherry lost all their silksong progress and the world authorities are trying to hide it otherwise hollow knight fans will storm Parliament House.
As a Western Australian, this is misinformation and I don’t appreciate this. The truth is, Australia never existed, and they made it up so they could dump all their convicts in the ocean.
Team Cherry aren’t going to release it until it is perfect. I trust them to release a completely polished product. I am content with that, I’m fine with them taking their time.
Me too
Being Based in an Awfull Industry sure is hard...
Amen brother
they should never have announced it this early.
@@solarprogeny6736 agreed. The hype is going to and already has died down
Incredibly well put together video, as always! Blew my mind a little when my avatar unexpectedly popped up on screen 😅 - very surreal! Thanks so much for the mention! Great perspective on Team Cherry wanting to get Silksong tip top from the get go, cos of the fact there will be insane numbers, playing from the minute it drops. Always feels to me Team Cherry have an almost insatiable creativity, that comes so naturally to them. I’m betting Silksong is gonna be a huge game and something very special indeed. Personally very happy waiting patiently to let them do their thing, as I’m sure they’re very keen to get things spot on. Super excited to jump in when it’s time! Awesome video once again, my friend! 🔥🍻😊
While I am excited for silksong, I do want it to be good. So I don't care how long it takes to make I just want Team Cherry to be happy with what the game ends up being by release.
I just hope it realeases bafore i´m dead
Oh, it's you.
The guy with a very... "Unique" DSN gimmick...
Btw. Christopher Larkin recently updated his website, more specifically the "Contact"-section, which reads:
"As I'm a full time composer and sound designer without a personal assistant, this means I may not always be able to keep up with emails, and due to the time that I need to dedicate to my work, I'm no longer able to provide answers to questionnaires. However! please check back after Silksong is released, as I hope to be dedicating more of my time to the community then! Thank you!"
This text updated about... 1 or 2 months ago (?), which means... maybe we could get some more fantastic Silksong Music-Samples in the near future :D
We did it mossbag, we found silksong
It's taking so long because they're gonna try and cram every possible thing into the game, and then after it released we'll get another 8 free DLCs. And the game will launch at $2. Team Cherry are actually gonna bankrupt themselves making the greatest games of all time.
Have you ever heard of the tragedy of Team Cherry the wise. It's not a story the gaming community would tell you
You can't go bankrupt if your fans donate thousands of dollars the moment you mention "financial issues" especially if it's followed by "will slow down development" lol
69 likes I mean sorry to ruin it
I'm so glad Silksong development has lasted so long, a time machine was invented, and they used it to release the game in early 2009.
It has been 1893 days since silksong was first announced, still no release date
Still waiting
Hollow Knight’s existence itself is all the reason I need to trust that Team Cherry will deliver a quality product when, and _only_ when, Silksong is well and truly ready. Until then, I’m content to wait as long as necessary.
I can’t wait for my grand children to play this
I still completely agree with this video and I hope team cherry is doing okay
but seeing that this video is already 2 years old...hurts, in a way
Can't wait for Silksong to be so full of content it reaches Noita levels of intricacy and half the achievements are only acquired by 2 people on the planet
And I can’t wait to grind out those achievements
The hollow knight community would find a way
Team Cherry is only three people??
Shit, take your time. Can't believe people are wondering where the game is.
I think the team is around eight now
@@DistressedCrab good to know they got some more helpon board! though even if there were more people involved, I'd still be surprised by the impatience.
@@Binkyouka A lot of it is silence, going radio silent about something normally means something major. So people are getting nervous. Is it canceled? Are there issues? Is everything okay? Is it almost done?
it was handdrawn
i'm just waiting 'till you drop a new trailer analysis, in the next few days.
I hope Silksong doesn't end up being too big, from the sounds of it they seem to be overdoing it. Then again, I probably would finish the game even if it was 10 times larger than the first game.
i believe they are aware of the risk of "scope creep" and that they have it under control, based on this:
1- From their last blogpost, in December 2019:
"And as some assurance: We’re not just randomly building things without an end in site. We know how this story unfolds and as much as we add, our intent is always to evoke the feeling of exploring a vast, surprising new world; one that matches (or exceeds) the scale and diversity of the original game."
2- From Leth's comment in the HK Discord server, in early 2021:
(User): SS is not going to be rushed.
Leth: Well...not in the same sense as HK .
Leth: Now the challenge is to keep ourselves from adding too much and making the game take forever. Not “rushing” but more like... being mindful of scope creep.
I don't see the problem here
wdym you hope it isn't too big i'd gladly welcome it being too big.
the bigger the better
@@alsartsavience3512 fantastically informative comment, I think I can sigh in relief knowing that team cherry are aware of their own bad habits and are actively being mindful of it, scope creeping is the demise of many a worldbuilders, hopefully it will not happen to silksong
When people got mad with OmoCat and the devs of Omori when there wasn’t a lot of updates, one of the devs said that blog posts are difficult to make because the amount of coding they had to do to make something work might not be interesting to some. I feel like for SS being so much more complicated then an RPGMaker game, Team Cherry likely feels the same way.
That makes sense
"This month we were uh...optimising keyboard inputs and fixing a jump mechanic bug...is that what you guys want to hear about?" Probably something like that
This is not a good take. Omori was a kickstarted project. OmoCat *had* to deliver regular updates, because people already gave them money to make the game. At that point, you have a responsibility to your backers to provide them with regular updates, regardless of whether they're "boring" or not. I'm actually kind of upset that OmoCat and their team didn't suffer any real consequences for their absurd radio silence. Yes, Omori is a masterpiece, but maybe take the time to talk to your backers? They literally funded your game.
Silksong, however, is not a kickstarter project, therefore they can basically do whatever they want.
@@AA-rh5ee Silksong at its core *is* a kickstarter project though. It began as a Hollowknight DLC that got so much funding that it became its own base game.
Honestly, as someone with an interest in computer science, I would be down for a blog post that is just "there was this one bug, and it took us 3 days to figure out what the problem was"
Don’t forget guys! While we wait we have Metroid: Dread coming out in October to hold us off!! It’s gonna be insane.
It's funny how metroidvanias like hollow knight were used to tide people over until a new metroid game came out and now a metroid game is being used to tide people over until silksong comes out.
which is gonna release 2 years later, yes
@@ngmonster1017 thus is the cycle of metroidvanias
@@ngmonster1017 it’s come full circle
Looks pretty cool
Well, while we wait for Silksong to release, I've managed to:
-discover Hollow knight through one streamer that I follow
-play Hollow knight for the first time, first feel and everything, very special
-have fun doing so and getting hooked
-finish the game to FULL completion in one save file
-discover the wonders of this community
-lost my precious savefile because my hard drive got FUBARed, no cloud save
-get my heath broken by said incident
-get sad
-heal my wounds in about half a year
-play the game yet again, right now, with cloud saving this time, intend to FULL completion again because I'm that crazy and I love the game that much :)
was the streamer Atrioc?
@@moonsquid9310 no, it was Agraelus
Good news! I did it! Full completion in one savefile! I'm saving this on my flash drive too, just in case! :)
P5?
did it really matter that much that you lost the save file if you had already completed it?
Me: “I’ll ask you this one time. Where is silksong?”
Team cherry giving few updates about the game: “yeah, I’ll do you one better, who is silksong?”
Mossbag: “I’ll do you one better, why is silksong?”
The real question is "What is Silksong"?
@@thedude8526 idk, I think its about someone using string to make a song but IDRK
Me: What is Silksong?
Team Cherry: Silksong is a Virgo.
**2 years ago**
(,:
I'd like to add that on the APWOT book/magazine, on the team Cherry interview it is mentioned that TC is relatively ignorant about Silksong discussion (aka avoids looking at Silksong talk from the fans)
Probably a sign that they want as little pressure as possible with making the game.
This actually explains a lot and I'm sad it's not getting more attention.
Honestly, I clicked the twitter link and was expecting a rick roll... so yeah, a bit dissapointed. But also, new mossbad video is allways a delight!
Guys chill. Seriously. Games take a LONG ass time to make. This nonstop ''where is it'' attitude is the reason Crunch exists. Its the reason studios burn out completely. Its the reason companies like EA get away with releasing the same crap over and over. Go play something else and relax. Stop pressuring the devs, stop over hyping the game and just......relax. It will come out when its ready.
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad" - Shigeru Miyamoto
I completely agree
I think people forget that this kind of games take a really long time to make, Undertale, Cuphead, Omori, even Hollow Knight, all of them took a lot of effort and time to make, so we shall be patient and not put so much pressure on TC, the lads are doing as much as they can
I've been so behind on the modding community, I didn't even know the existence of the fan made projects that are being created. We've really come a long way.
_Thank you_ for the clarification that Leth _recommended_ TC to make blog post, not that _blog posts would be coming._ That was something I saw thrown around a lot, mostly because of word of mouth and people not interested in watching the full interview. Also, thanks for the little note about even Leth raising eyebrows about TC's continuous idea stuff, that was another detail nobody brought up that I found quite interesting.
"A delayed game is eventually good. A rushed game is forever bad" MIYAMOTO, Shigeru.
Take all the time you need Team Cherry
Tell that to Duke Nukem Forever and its 14 year development cycle.
I feel like adding too much abilities later in the development breaks some portions in the early game so they often have to revisit the map design and the geometry of the level to not mess with the flow of the game.
That's why they have playtesters in the first place.
Honestly, I'm not even mad about Silksong taking so long. Sure, I'm anticipating it more than I have with almost any other game, but they're putting their hearts and souls into it and I can't wait to see how much work they've put into it!
Man, where IS silksong?
I deeply respect Team Cherry for not spoiling us with updates, it makes me feel like the secrets that will be in the game will actually be something worth discovering, same goes with Toby Fox and Deltarune.
I love reading the Poorly Drawing Hollow Knight series every day, as well as watching Daily Silksong News
I say you don't, it will make the wait longer for you. If that's not that big of a deal then continue ofc, but if you find yourself waiting for Silksong a lot then shut yourself off from most Hollow Knight related stuff
Remember guys, after finishing this video we are officially 9 minutes and 41 seconds closer to Silksong's release
"Where's Silksong?" The question I wake up asking every single day.
Honestly, something you said has made me think. If Team Cherry is capable of shoving as much as they want into Silksong, how much could they add before it all becomes too much for Silksongs own good?
Yh exactly, bloating your game with content or having mindless filler is very, very bad. They should save a lot of stuff for dlc, so people don't get bored of the game in one go
Definitely a possibility, though the line drawn will be due to personal taste.
Also the fact that this is artist driven can lead to long development times too, but they seem professional enough that this shouldn't impact greatly
This is honestly another issue I have. I fear the intense hype surrounding the game will force expectations through the roof, thus leading to immense scope creep and excessively bloating the game. Which, in turn, leads to an immensely strained and unfocused development. Trying to do everything to the game to please such an excessive hype. These types of situations _rarely_ end well and it leads to me being very concerned for the game's future.
Hollow Knight got away with that development because it was a decently modest success with very little expectations. And as stated, TC literally ran out of money making that baby, thus forcing them to draw a line somewhere.
They obviously won't have that issue for Silksong for a very long time. Which can be both a blessing and a curse. Deadlines can, sometimes, be quite important.
Yeah, I'm rambling a smidge, but you get my points... I honestly don't envy Team Cherry right now. When (or rather, if) the game comes out, it's gonna either be a landmark point of the genre, or it's going to be a catastrophic bomb, even if the game itself isn't inherently that awful. That's the danger of hype culture...
I think the content they're now adding is optional stuff off the path that you can just skip and rush towards progression if you get impatient. the paths to the basic ending is probably extremely polished right now. they said they could just finish the game at any time and the main path would probably be great.
Leth has mentioned before that they know this can be an issue, to directly quote him in the discord, he said:
"Now the challenge is to keep ourselves from adding too much and making the game take forever. Not 'rushing' but more like... being mindful of scope creep" - 1/15/2021
And for what its worth, the last blogpost back in 2019 also says the following:
"And as some assurance: We’re not just randomly building things without an end in site. We know how this story unfolds and as much as we add, our intent is always to evoke the feeling of exploring a vast, surprising new world; one that matches (or exceeds) the scale and diversity of the original game."
At the latest 12 months away
Imagine if the homeless guy who dropped his sandwich decided to not leave it on the street and in turn made one of team cherry's devs die of starvation while making hollow knight 😔
Time travelers be like
What, can you explain this
When you said "Silksong was announced 929 days ago" I had a midlife crisis at 18.
"We all know how hyping up a game too much can lead to a disaster"
*sad Cyberpunk 2077 noises*
I remember no man's sky
@@localegoist4079 And it turned out really well, they turned it around.
Just imagine the game gets shadow drop tomorrow
I'm glad that they are adding more stuff into silksong. For me, HK wouldn't be HK without the extra content.
Why wait for silksong, when we can just sacrifice mossbag?
This was a wonderful video! You brought up a bunch of really intelligent points I'd never considered before, like how they might be staying silent to avoid distractions from the internet losing their minds. I take a generally patient approach with the view that Silksong is like a fine wine, but it was interesting to hear theories about their unconventional approach to publicity during development. Really all of it was very insightful!
I have no expectations for Silksong. To be perfectly honest, the game isn't even in my wheelhouse as far as genres I typically play, but the artwork, the soundtrack, the "worldbuilding" (and I use the term loosely)... it's just beautiful. I even bought the Wanderer's Journal, and over a year later, I still haven't beaten Hollow Knight (nag all you want, I'm just not that into playing hard games for the sake of overcoming them).
I hope they don't let the hype get to them. Even though TC has been quiet and made few, if any promises, people can and will still overhype themselves.
Agreed I just hope they release the game and it isn’t bloated. But considering how much they added to hollow knight and they polished it after cutting stuff this maybe a non issue. Outside of this the only real promises they made is that it’s probably bigger than HK, it has hornet, and it’s going to be the same difficulty and quality
The only hard main boss are the _______ _______, so if you can beat them you are fine.
My guess is late 2022 or beginning of 2023.
My other prediction is that, even if it doesn't live up to the hype, it will still be a great game. But my expectation is that SilkSong will be at least as good as Hollow Knight.
Oh boy
bro really thought it was coming this millennium
I genuinely feel like it's been so long since this game was announced, I'm almost a completely different person
What I've learned from Cris Tales is to just be patient, it'll be ready when it's ready. Cris Tales came out way sooner than it honestly should've, and was rife with bugs, problems, crashes, and imbalanced combat.
we have a silksong trailer. mossbag make a video
One the one hand, we all need to learn some patience so TC isn't caught in an anxiety spiral as they try to meet our expectations.
On the other hand, SILKSONG WEN
as a consolation, think that every day that passes Silksong becomes better and less time is left before its release ...
Can't wait for Silksong to release so we can ask "The (Mostly) Complete Lore of Silksong" over and over and over and over and over and over instead.
Great video mossbag. 😃 And yeah, the hype machine for Silksong is real strong but I'm also hoping for tempered expectations when it's released in 209X. 😉
I’m still Hyped for Zote Boat.
I feel like team Cherry is just sitting down about to finish the game and then one of em just says “wouldn’t this be cool?” And then they spend 1 more month on the game. This repeats all the way until June, when they promised to release the game. A few days before they will go. “Wouldn’t this be cool?” And the other one would go “but we have a release date?” And finally the first one would go “eh, they waited 5 years hey can wait more!”
I’m glad to hear they’re taking their time to make this game sizeable and polished, especially if it’s gonna be the last game they’ll make in the HK world for a while. I’m looking forward to it, however long it takes.
My great great grandpa works for Activision, and he told me Silksong is coming out tomorrow
3 weeks ago
5 months ago
Im waiting for the COMMUNITY to make silksong lmao
I remodeled the entryway of my house around the same time I finally got around to playing (and falling in love with) Hollow Knight. This meant I ended up creating a custom stencil to replicate the wallpaper in the City of Tears and used it in the entire space. I'm patient about Silksong. But the hype is real.