I just did a comparison of all my old irons vs new. 1986 Tommy armour 845 1999 hogan apex plus 2006 callaway xtours 2018 hogan PTX 2022 Haywood 2023 Titleist t100s I hit balls all day and compared everything from distance to spin to consistency. Distance was all over the place due to lofts for the most part. In the end of all this, my $1300 Titleist irons I got last year came out of the bag and my 2006 Callaway irons went back in. The 845’s were surprisingly very close but the Callways had the best dispersion and mishits were reduced significantly. So I’m no longer believing any of the hype for irons. Distance is not a reason to say an iron is better. Just jacking lofts. Only thing now I have to worry about is if my callaway irons are legal under the new usga rules. I think the grooves no longer pass the new rules which is so stupid.
I still had a set of the original 1996 Callaway Big Bertha & Ping ISI Nickel irons and Played just as well with those as with my new PXG 0211 XCORE2 irons, I may be a half club longer with the PXG over the old irons but they still held their own, I sold both sets this spring to 2 different young guys at the golf course I work at and they LOVE them , because they couldn't afford the new stuff !!!! I think Irons have not changed much, all the Companies have done is put a different number on a different lofted club to make everyone THINK they are hitting the ball longer ..........LOL I never bought into that stupid hype !!! I am 63 and have played the game for 49 years now and just play my own game ! Plus why is Dave still hitting steel shafted irons when he may hit graphite shafted irons better? I have not hit a steel shafted club for over 30 years now. He may find his Spin numbers get higher with a tip soft graphite shafted iron.
I’ve got some TaylorMade burner 09 irons lw through 4 iron that I’ve recently gone back to after gaming ping I series irons. They just feel so nice off the face but I do get a hot one every now and again
As a high handicapper, when I went from Eye2 to G420, I soon discovered that after allowing for the different lofts there was no noticeable difference in distance or forgiveness.
Great video. 3 degrees of loft equates 6-9 yards usually. I've tried a few of the latest irons, but ended up with the 6,5,and 4 iron all carrying with a few yards of each other. Gone back 12 years and got chunky Callaway fusion wide sole. Traditional lofts, revelation in my eyes. Forgiving, feel fantastic and still go a great distance. I'm done with modern high handicap irons to be honest.
What was more important for me was getting fitted. Once i got fitted, everything felt a bit better. New technology did not do as much as fitting. Fitting + some lessons = the answer. I don't think technology changes that much unless people have 7+ year old clubs.
@@jcoleman924 totally agree. Have to be careful who fits you though. My mate got fitted for a driver but with range balls. You should always get fitted with your ball of choice
I go back and forth between my Ping G5 and Ping Eye 2 irons. I have the distances dialed in and the gapping between my Callaway metals, Ping hybrids, and my irons is 10 yards from wedges thru driver.
I'm using g10's currently and don't hit them as far as my friends so I was thinking about getting a newer set. This video makes me rethink it unless I get a great deal.
@@only_son5040 I’ve lost distance with my Ping irons and I had a 20 yard gap between the 6 iron and 5 hybrid. But I added a Ping 6 hybrid which filled the gap perfectly.
@johnsoltau620 I don't have a matching full set. My irons are ping, my driver is a TSi2, 3 wood is a Rogue, and I've been using a cobra radspeed 7 wood and a titelist ts2 3 hybrid. The 7 wood is for long par 3's. Gives me a little better stopping power into greens. Hybrid is for 2nd shots on long par 5's.
Great video. The comparisons of older models vs. newer or current irons are great, especially with Dave swinging the clubs. Considering current pricing, I see the appeal for saving some money and going with an older club model when the performance is the same as a newer, more expensive model.
Love love love seeing old vs new with regular golfers. I think pros can play with pretty much anything and be similar. But i am definitely excited to see when an average golfer like myself goes in there w/ old vs new
I bought the g20 just for a first set to learn with. Be better putting the 6 iron g20 against the 7 iron 430. Loft for loft comparison would be better.
2013 - 2015 I was playing the Ping Anser Forged irons - not as clunky as the G series and a lot less offset. Still wishing to this day that I still had them. If you are looking for a quality secondhand set, the Anser Forged are the irons I would go after. Understand, though, that the lofts are not anywhere close to those of modern clubs; but if your driver swingspeed is under 90mph, what does it matter? You will just have a 7 iron with a loft of a 5 iron that you can't generate enough clubhead speed to hit will consistently.
I still game my Ping Eye 2 irons from time to time and I honestly don't think there is a more forgiving iron made. They are just so easy to hit and hit straight.
I'd like to see a comparison between game improvent irons and forged cavity back irons with similar lofts. For example, if possible compare a GI 9 iron to a CB 7 or 8 iron with the same loft. How does the consistency and dispersion vary between the two clubs for two or three golfers of different ability levels? You need to have a club for every distance in say 10 to 12 yard increments, but accuracy is more important than length, regardless of what number is on the sole of the club.
Nope, mine are all new and haven't even been hit yet because of this snowy cold weather we are having. Can't wait to get to the simulator to at least get to hit them.
My opinion on irons is that a lot of times, it is due to wear that irons begin to lose preformance. When it comes to strike, loft, and weighting, that is what gives a good strike, but the main killer is the retention of spin. Newer clubs obviously have clean and rough grooves, keeping yardage the same, whereas an old club, it can change that amount of sporadic shots one may have on the course.
I still use ta 845s and ping eye 2 irons from the 1990s and hit them very good. Pros use new clubs every year because they are under contract to do so so that we average people keep buying them, its always about the money.
Bought new in 2013 and still use Cobra F-MAX offset set. How about a comparison with the new Cobra high handicap clubs. Though I am looking to get new clubs once I recover from my shoulder replacement. Looking at the less expensive 9:46 direct brand at 76 years old.
I'm so confused. I have a old 2002 Callaway big Bertha irons set. And a ping g25, and a Cobra speedzone set. And I still think my Callaways is most easy to hit, and just a few yards shorter.
Let Dave select his dream clubs from 10 years ago. I guess in 2012 I had TaylorMade Burner Bubble irons and driver. I traded in the driver. I still have the irons. My nephew used them in junior play and he left 1 of the wedges at an unknown course
I just did a comparison of all my old irons vs new.
1986 Tommy armour 845
1999 hogan apex plus
2006 callaway xtours
2018 hogan PTX
2022 Haywood
2023 Titleist t100s
I hit balls all day and compared everything from distance to spin to consistency. Distance was all over the place due to lofts for the most part.
In the end of all this, my $1300 Titleist irons I got last year came out of the bag and my 2006 Callaway irons went back in. The 845’s were surprisingly very close but the Callways had the best dispersion and mishits were reduced significantly.
So I’m no longer believing any of the hype for irons. Distance is not a reason to say an iron is better. Just jacking lofts.
Only thing now I have to worry about is if my callaway irons are legal under the new usga rules. I think the grooves no longer pass the new rules which is so stupid.
I still play the g15 with graphite shafts. I bought them new I am now 70 years old.
I still had a set of the original 1996 Callaway Big Bertha & Ping ISI Nickel irons and Played just as well with those as with my new PXG 0211 XCORE2 irons, I may be a half club longer with the PXG over the old irons but they still held their own, I sold both sets this spring to 2 different young guys at the golf course I work at and they LOVE them , because they couldn't afford the new stuff !!!!
I think Irons have not changed much, all the Companies have done is put a different number on a different lofted club to make everyone THINK they are hitting the ball longer ..........LOL
I never bought into that stupid hype !!! I am 63 and have played the game for 49 years now and just play my own game !
Plus why is Dave still hitting steel shafted irons when he may hit graphite shafted irons better? I have not hit a steel shafted club for over 30 years now. He may find his Spin numbers get higher with a tip soft graphite shafted iron.
I’ve got some TaylorMade burner 09 irons lw through 4 iron that I’ve recently gone back to after gaming ping I series irons. They just feel so nice off the face but I do get a hot one every now and again
As a high handicapper, when I went from Eye2 to G420, I soon discovered that after allowing for the different lofts there was no noticeable difference in distance or forgiveness.
G420🤔
Great video. 3 degrees of loft equates 6-9 yards usually. I've tried a few of the latest irons, but ended up with the 6,5,and 4 iron all carrying with a few yards of each other. Gone back 12 years and got chunky Callaway fusion wide sole. Traditional lofts, revelation in my eyes. Forgiving, feel fantastic and still go a great distance. I'm done with modern high handicap irons to be honest.
What was more important for me was getting fitted. Once i got fitted, everything felt a bit better. New technology did not do as much as fitting. Fitting + some lessons = the answer. I don't think technology changes that much unless people have 7+ year old clubs.
@@jcoleman924 totally agree. Have to be careful who fits you though. My mate got fitted for a driver but with range balls. You should always get fitted with your ball of choice
Totally agree. I even find the older MBs can play nicely too.
I go back and forth between my Ping G5 and Ping Eye 2 irons. I have the distances dialed in and the gapping between my Callaway metals, Ping hybrids, and my irons is 10 yards from wedges thru driver.
I'm using g10's currently and don't hit them as far as my friends so I was thinking about getting a newer set. This video makes me rethink it unless I get a great deal.
@@only_son5040 I’ve lost distance with my Ping irons and I had a 20 yard gap between the 6 iron and 5 hybrid. But I added a Ping 6 hybrid which filled the gap perfectly.
@johnsoltau620 I don't have a matching full set. My irons are ping, my driver is a TSi2, 3 wood is a Rogue, and I've been using a cobra radspeed 7 wood and a titelist ts2 3 hybrid. The 7 wood is for long par 3's. Gives me a little better stopping power into greens. Hybrid is for 2nd shots on long par 5's.
Great video. The comparisons of older models vs. newer or current irons are great, especially with Dave swinging the clubs. Considering current pricing, I see the appeal for saving some money and going with an older club model when the performance is the same as a newer, more expensive model.
Love love love seeing old vs new with regular golfers. I think pros can play with pretty much anything and be similar. But i am definitely excited to see when an average golfer like myself goes in there w/ old vs new
I bought the g20 just for a first set to learn with. Be better putting the 6 iron g20 against the 7 iron 430. Loft for loft comparison would be better.
2013 - 2015 I was playing the Ping Anser Forged irons - not as clunky as the G series and a lot less offset. Still wishing to this day that I still had them. If you are looking for a quality secondhand set, the Anser Forged are the irons I would go after. Understand, though, that the lofts are not anywhere close to those of modern clubs; but if your driver swingspeed is under 90mph, what does it matter? You will just have a 7 iron with a loft of a 5 iron that you can't generate enough clubhead speed to hit will consistently.
I still game my Ping Eye 2 irons from time to time and I honestly don't think there is a more forgiving iron made. They are just so easy to hit and hit straight.
I'd like to see a comparison between game improvent irons and forged cavity back irons with similar lofts. For example, if possible compare a GI 9 iron to a CB 7 or 8 iron with the same loft. How does the consistency and dispersion vary between the two clubs for two or three golfers of different ability levels? You need to have a club for every distance in say 10 to 12 yard increments, but accuracy is more important than length, regardless of what number is on the sole of the club.
I like my G20 irons , I hit them well. No need to change.
Nope, mine are all new and haven't even been hit yet because of this snowy cold weather we are having. Can't wait to get to the simulator to at least get to hit them.
just bought g30 4 to a wedge 300 Can love em
My opinion on irons is that a lot of times, it is due to wear that irons begin to lose preformance. When it comes to strike, loft, and weighting, that is what gives a good strike, but the main killer is the retention of spin. Newer clubs obviously have clean and rough grooves, keeping yardage the same, whereas an old club, it can change that amount of sporadic shots one may have on the course.
I still use 1984 Ping Eye 2’s I don’t need to change as they are just as good as modern clubs. They were 20 years ahead of their time!
What are the lofts between the two clubs? I suspect the loft of the newer Ping is cranked up. You’ve just answered my question, they are😂
I still use ta 845s and ping eye 2 irons from the 1990s and hit them very good. Pros use new clubs every year because they are under contract to do so so that we average people keep buying them, its always about the money.
Bought new in 2013 and still use Cobra F-MAX offset set. How about a comparison with the new Cobra high handicap clubs. Though I am looking to get new clubs once I recover from my shoulder replacement. Looking at the less expensive 9:46 direct brand at 76 years old.
Had a set of Wilson CI 11's back around the year you mentioned. Weren't bad if I remember rightly. How about trying them out.
It seems with me that the older the clubs the better I play. SM4 or 5 in that year probably. I have a SM4 to play occasionally.
I'm so confused. I have a old 2002 Callaway big Bertha irons set. And a ping g25, and a Cobra speedzone set. And I still think my Callaways is most easy to hit, and just a few yards shorter.
Let Dave select his dream clubs from 10 years ago. I guess in 2012 I had TaylorMade Burner Bubble irons and driver. I traded in the driver. I still have the irons. My nephew used them in junior play and he left 1 of the wedges at an unknown course
I went from i3’s to G400’s and I found the latter to be about 10yards further.
Well done Chris 👏 😊
Probably, the company that made my irons don't make golf clubs anymore. lol
Over the past 25 years I have spent a fortune on new golf clubs. Yet, I still cannot outscore my 1996 Big Bertha irons.
Can't believe in a high end golf sim room you don't have a heater. LOL
My dad uses iron covers, and every now and again I'll put a club in his bag upside down and put the iron cover back on the butt of the grip.
Are the lofts the same as his gamers?
Like how you use a “mid handicap” player for the test.