HK Models B-17 E/F (and G) Review and a chat about Jadlam.
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2024
- This is the best 1/32 B-17 kit out there today, as long as you don't want staggered waist guns. It has everything in one box to build pretty much any B-17 you want.
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Nigel: Just some comments.
For the U.S. Army pre war markings, it was the U.S. Army Air Corps.
Early was it was U.S. Army Air Force
The U.S. Air Force didn’t come into exidtance until 1947
Also the U.S. never used the .303 caliber machine guns, The ..303 was the British modified version of the Browning 0.30 caliber version machine gun.
The U.S. armed forces only used the 0.30 caliber version of the browning M.G. On it”s equipment.
The Delta Rebel II and the “Hells Angles” B-17’s completed 25 missions before the “Memphis Bell” completed its 25 missions, but W.Wyler thought that the “Bell” would have more audience interest.
David R Lentz, Columbus, Ohio, USA
To clarify some details on the USA, the predecessor organisations that led to the United States Air Force (USAF) of today:
Aeronautical Division, Signal Corps: 1 August 1907 - 18 July 1914
Aviation Section, Signal Corps: 18 July 1914 - 20 May 1918
Division of Military Aeronautics: 20 May 1918 - 24 May 1918 (yes, just four days)
(Ironically, a day or so prior, my great grandson, Nigel, had asked me, the childless family patriarch, if he could join them, though I quietly had suggested he wait a fortnight or so to think on it. All month long had it been snowing heavily all throughout the Deep South of the USA)
Air Service, U.S. Army: 24 May 1918 - 2 July 1926 (Nigel never listened to anyone, joining immediately)
U.S. Army Air Corps (USAAC): 2 July 1926 - 20 June 1941
U.S. Army Air Forces (USAAF): 20 June 1941 - 17 September 1947
(Source: Wikipedia "History of the United States Air Force", except for my silliness; that is all YOUR fault!)
Jadlam are an excellent company, bought countless kits from them over the years. Can’t speak more highly about them
Always had great customer service from Jadlam, when I have had issues. Bought a 1/35 Italeri Schnellboote. Big kit the 2 hull pieces are 1 metre long. As is common the torpedo tube ring at the bow had snapped. Emailed with pictures and 5 days later a massive box appeared with a replacement hull part. I know have a huge section of hull for paint testing and practice. Excellent work from Jadlam. My dog chewed parts of another kit and I said so and offered to pay. New parts arrived free of charge.
I've used jadlam a few times aswell got a vulcan without decals is only ever issue and I found them a great company to deal with
for all the sins, i'm enjoying the build of the old 1/32 HK Mosquito, and the plastic is lush to work with. HK make nice models, long may they succeed, and Jadlam have done me proud i have to say
Really enjoyed your commentary on this model, great stuff.
Glad you enjoyed it
Sorry to hear about your health issues Nigel. I had a terrible cold for almost a full month, finally cleared up after Christmas. Hope you keep feeling better, take care 👍
Hi Nigel,to answer your question about the wall mount I am pretty sure that he has used the wall mount.
Sorry mate the above comment is that phil flory used the wall mount.
Purchased this one from Jadlam about 4 weeks ago at this excellent price, used my J Points too so a bit cheaper. I've always had great service with my purchases and queries. Looking forward to seeing this one or one of the other B17s going together...😀
Hi Nige, picked this up 3 weeks ago from Jadlam on sale, absolutely brilliant price and well packed etc, as you say it’s packed full with sprues! It’s a beauty 👍
Totally agree
Hi Nigel,
Regarding fixing1/32 Hongkongmodels B-17 to the wall with that one screw, well, mine has been on the wall over a year and I have just moved it across onto another wall with no disasters. So yes, that one screw does the trick.
Thank you John.
Thanks for the excellent review, I actually purchased the kit from Jadlam this week prior to seeing the review .... thanks in no small part to Masters of the Air!
My B17 just arrived from Jadlam, many thanks for that discount code.
Definitely would love Eduard to remake the detail sets for this kit
I use Jadlam. Their kits are cheaper posted from England to New Zealand than for me to buy from a model shop in New Zealand! Bloody brilliant!
Really?? Wow!!
A nice kit Nigel👍👍. Use Jadlam all the time ,only had one problem which they sorted out pdq.
You are a B-17 kit guru, Nige. 😄 I am excited for the coming 1/35 B-17G kit, hope it won’t be too long a wait. Cheers mate, get well soon and a hug for Jess. ❤
No I am not Ron. I am no guru on any subject.
@@NigelsModellingBench 😀👌🏻
Hey Nige, thanks for the vid. Now unless I am missing something it is not possible to build many of the early Gs using the parts in this kit - the kit lacks - as do all the HK kits - the correct waist windows - the ones which have the two large dividers running top to bottow (sorry i dont know the technical name for them). So "A Bit O' Lace" and all those like her are - if you'll pardon my pun - out of the window.
Someone did commision AFV Modeller to make some 3DP ones but somehow they goofed the shape (I say 'somehow' more out of frustration given David Parker is behind AFV M and he makes some brilliant stuff) AND they are frame only - you still have to supply your own glazing!! This was covered in a LSP thread a while back.
Anyway, otherwise a decent vid and yes Jadlam definitely always worth a look - great service and great prices.
Great review! I'm looking forward to starting mine one of these days.
Just out of interest, when you mentioned that "Chief Seattle" was in Australia, I did a search on the aircraft - there are pages both on Wikipedia and the Pacific Wrecks sites. The A/C was lost on August 12, 1942, and interestingly, the co-pilot was a RAAF Flight Sergeant. 12 B17Es (not including Chief Seattle) were placed under RAAF command for a short time in 1942, but the airframes were not taken under RAAF charge. This was in the anticipation that the RAAF would be equipping some squadrons with B17Es with the serial A26-. However this didn't happen.
Hooters!
Great big box of sprues! It's a wonder they have all the bits in it!
Hi Nigel, that was another gresg review/report, scale wise way too big abd expensive for me, here in Australia you are looking at approximately $490, thanks again for all your hard work, bedt regards from a Kiwi living in Australia
OK mate you sold me on this kit, checked it was in stock, whilst watching your video, so Iwent to order it just now.. Its Out of Stock.. so I got the Leeds Model shop one instead, not quite as good as having to pay for shipping.. but thank you again, ..hough so hopefully one day.. Agreed at £ 220 was a fantastic price, having just had a quick google for where it is still available.. In any event well worth getting. Keep up the great content regards Mark
Enjoy it Mark..
Have had a check around the world and the cheapest was 269 US some are asking over $600 for the model.
Late to the party here Nige. Sadly no longer in stock at Jadlam. But its still listed on their web site at the £250 price. Anyway, I cannot afford it at the moment. I have had good experiences with Jadlam in the past. Only had one cock up when I ordered the Tamiya Premium Yamato kit. They sent me the Tamiya New Jersey instead lol. But after an email, I got a returns label. Sent the kit back, and I had the Yamato a few days later. It's worth mentioning that Jadlam have a pretty good rewards points scheme. Its fairly easy to get enough points for £5 off. Collect 4000 points to get a £25 off voucher. However you do have to spend a certain amount to trade in each coupon.
The Markings for the E in this kit is "Chief Seattle"' - from the Pacific North West", a Bomber based in the South West Pacific/Solomons. I intend to build mine as an RAF Coastal Command Fortress IIa. (Extra Dark Sea Grey & Dark Slate Grey over gloss & matt White!) IF you bought the FIRST release run of the E/F kit I think you will find a later Up -to -Mid production G is not easily possible as there are no nose halves (with Cheek gun fairings) for a G Model with a chin turret -in that kit - I just DOUBLE CHECKED my own E/F box. ALL G series models and the Last Production Series of the F model had a chin turret. For example the Famous "A Bit O Lace" was a mid production G with un-staggered waist guns and a G nose but had a Cheyenne tail position. Refr: Warpaint book on the B-17, covers the various production series runs. You can, hoever make a Post-War SB 17G Search & Rescue, which had the chin turret deleted. The F and early G models used the nose with the larger gun windows on the side - probelmatic with a chin turret. Early F models used the E nose with the smaller windows. I suspect the sprue tree with the Chin turret parts and nose is a G specific sprue but it was not in my kit, which is still bagged also.
Thanks Brett, once again.. some great info.
Seeing they have got parts for the 3 versions, you might be able to build a RAF😊 version as well Nigel providing you can get the Decals.
I would love to G, "Outhouse Mouse" with an Me 163 dogfight double! Not sure about the Me 163 markings though.
Just had a quick squint at Jadlam - out of stock. You've done it again!
Great to hear!
Hi Nigel I hope you start feeling better
I always make it to the end. Even if I split it up into 2 or 3 viewings. I always hit the like button as well, seeing as you take the time to share your thoughts with us.
Courtesy is king in my world. 😊❤😊
You're the best!
Superb looking kit, where on earth do you actually keep all of them...do you have them on display ? , show them off.
I'm in New Zealand and use Jadlam for the likes of eduard and revell kits that are hard to get locally. Price wise, very good, it's the reason I went to them when modelhobbies closed. Packing though, they really need to up their game, my last 3 orders have only had a single layer of cardboard wrapped around the centre and all corners were crushed (including the rather expensive new Mc.202) I'm giving them one more chance and might have to find a new place to buy from.
I am of the same opinion. model Shop Leeds and Scale Model shop also have great prices and MUCH better packaging.
Never get those problems with them in the UK. However they should know to reinforce the packaging given the distance. In suggest you remind them when you next order
Just ordered one from a distributor here in in the US. $309.99!
You could build up the spare noses and mount them on little wooden plaques on the wall.
Good idea!!
Nigel,Nigel,Nigel, what am I to do? thanks To You I am now £225 lighter, plus point is I now have £25 in J points. Just need to hide the box from My Wife when it comes.
Nigel - have you seen that Eduard is going to release a version of the HKmodels B-17F this summer ? This probably explains why there's a shortage of their update sets currently.
Yes, I have mentioned it a few times. It is the 1/48 that they are doing.
Hope you get to feeling better, Nigel. The US Air Force didn't come into existence until 1947. During WWII, they were part of the US Army. USAAF.
I was looking for this comment. I didn't want to be repetitive.
My grandfather was a tail gunner on the 17. I really wish Tamiya would do a 1/48 b17G
The HK 1/48 is pretty nice. I am building the F on the channel now.
@@NigelsModellingBench I was lucky enough to get to fly on one when I was a kid. Ha the smell of leaded aviation fuel.
Just looked on Jadlam and the kit is out of stock - knew I should have watched this earlier.
Yes Phillip.. they have sold out twice since the video went out!!
Excellent Nigel. One day I will get a 1/32 B-17 kit. It's about $300 in the States so it's not mad (mad) money. Really enjoyed this review. When did they start leaving them (mark) in unpainted livery? Cheers
You should build one John.. I guess it was around the end of '43 early 44 that they stopped painting them?
I have bought from Jadlam loads and I love them, superb prices and I like the loyalty points scheme too. Their one downside was their packaging but I must admit even that has improved considerably in the last 6 months or so!
What's the deal with the code? Is that a permanent code you have with them for 10% off or something? Or just limited to those B-17s (which are now all sold out!)?
Just this kit Scott.
Nigel + I was looking at trumpeter kits online I see they are coming out with a float plane kit TBD Devastator aircraft just wondering if you knew about that
Yes mate.
Hi Nigel me again for a really good interesting read on b17 preservation read B17 Flying Fortress restoration by Jerome j McLaughlin it is about the fortress city of savannah no 44- 83814 an excellent read at the national museum of the mighty eighth air force,this aircraft is now on show just several miles from where the eighth air force was born.
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Hi Nigel, great review again, BTW didn't know you had a sideline of doing animal impressions as well 😅
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How many of you beautiful fellas have room for these enormous kits? I mean literally. Honest answers only lol!
Hi Nigel, Have Jadlam upgraded their packaging as previously I’ve received kits merely wrapped in a shrink wrapped grey polythene bag with no other packaging and seem to recall you having a similar issue in the past……🤔
To be honest I held off from ordering from them as I did have a couple of deliveries where the kit box was damaged but if they’ve upgraded their packaging that’s excellent news.
Hope Jess is doing well….
Best Regards Gary
No, they need to up their game with packaging kits. Scale Model Shop, Hannants and Model Shop Leeds are MUCH better.
Agree with each of the companies you mention Nigel.
Jumblies are also really good at packaging models and I’ve tended to use them over Jadlam.
Oddly enough the US Air Force didn't come into existence until 1947, US Army and Navy both had their own Air Forces in WW2. At times the fortresses had limited bomb loads depending on the mission, the further they had to go the lighter they needed to be.
Of course, it was USAAF in 43 wasnt it.
blimy Nige they ran the first advert after 1 min 14 seconds!
WHAT!!!! I'll see if I can change it? Thanks Jase.. sorted.
Hi Nigel, the broken up swastikas are probably for the possibility to sell it on the german market. all nazi symbols are vorbidden here. so a lot manufacturer split it up. in some older kits the problematic decals are blacked out with a marker or on the eduard decal sheet for example, the corner with the whole swastikas is cut away for germany.
I know, but in the F kit you get broken and complete swastikas, that was my point.
Can these noses be made up as stand alone items ? Might be nice to display them next to the finished version of choice with their own stands showing the differences between them without having to buy, build , and try and display 3 different versions of this huge kit.
I assume so? They may share some tiny pieces but I guess they could be scratch built? I know the G and F have different floors but the E might share the F nose.
2230 hours 30 January 2024 - recorded on Jadlam's site as "OUT OF STOCK"!
Nigel do you have suggestions for reference books for helping with the B-17 E/F? Appreciate any help.
There are many out there. I think they are all pretty good. These days, the internet can be all you need.
@@NigelsModellingBenchthank you for the quick response
I had the funds available today and they’ve gone.😭
N ice ad - Jadlam and Leeds both sold out. Congrats all :)
Watching Masters of the Air and daaaamn I want to build a B17!!!
DO IT!!!
@@NigelsModellingBench well, the only options I seem to have at the moment are some 1/72 Revel kits or the 1/48 Hong Kong Model type G…
Would you recommend the 1/48 kit or should I hold out for the 1/32 kit?
really strange that yours has 3 nose versions i bought the newer F kit and it has only 1 nose and i kind of really need the G nose because i hoped my kit could have it like in your video which it doesnt i want to make a special version with the F nose but with the G nose gun windows its a b17f 85 or b17f 125
Yeah, apparently they took the sprues out of "some kits" at the factory, and left them in others?????
@@NigelsModellingBench actually i got the sprue wirh all the G parts an the glass sprue too but only the nose parts are removed from the sprue
sorry to bother you again with the nose parts but i cant find any others on the Internet and i was wondering, because you have 2 kits with the extra nose, if you would sell me one pair?
Sold out,damm!
Thats a shame both of your links the shops are sold out.
I'm afraid they sold out in hours after my review....
yep i was too slow. Lots on eBay though.
Looking at building a b17f 1/48 scale, which kit would you recommend.
Only one kit IMHO.. HKM. =The Revell 1/48 B-17F is not good. I am building one now in my Masters of the Air Build series.
ITS OUT OF STOCK ALREADY
Sold out
hi nige
Hello Wayne
ahhh....sold out!