Can your Pioneer deck have a Commander?
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- This clip is from the season 2 premiere of Shuffle Up & Play, Episode 27, where we played Pioneer with Jesse Robkin and Mason Clark! Watch the full episode here: • Jesse Robkin and Mason...
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…that’s a good point. I failed to realize the double pips on the back was different for this. I’m way too used to flip sagas and werewolves.
What part are you talking about
@@brettboylan8529 the very end when the 2nd player points out the restriction for having double pips doesn’t matter on the back sided cards
@@brettboylan8529 The MDFC spells from Strixhaven.
ballin
I'm confused. What makes it legal for the backside cost? The card didn't specify a side. It just says you can't have more than one of the same cost on a card. It's still part of the deck, isn't it? Wouldn't that mean, even though it's on the back, it still can't be used?
“Reading the card explains the card”
Unless you can’t read the language it’s printed in.
Even if you could read the language the card text on it will not explain how the card works because of the companion rule change.
@@Sereaphimfortunately, they were reprinted with the updated rules text in Multiverse Legends from March of the Machine.
Your inability to read does not negate the previous statement.
nah it still explains it, magic rules are the same no matter the language
@@greenwave819 WotC change how this card worked it has nothing to do with the language... so reading the card will not explain the card even if you speak that language.
Be chill be chill be chill
Huh, that would be a crazy commander. Cough cough, one of my three commander decks, is omnath with jegantha as a commander.
If it is the same Omnath as in the video you can't have Jegantha as companion because of color identity restrictions
@@nickschmucker8836 it is not, I use the 5 color omnath from the phyrexia set, I can't think of the name for some reason.
Omnath, Locus of All
@@gabrielgriffith7477locus of all lmao
@@nova42_ I meant I couldn't remember the name of the set it came out in, but that is the one, yeah.
Funny enough chalice of the void cannot be played in a JeganthaCompanion deck
It can if chalice is sideboard tech
@@kylecote7261The sideboard must adhere to the companion requirements tho
@karl-erikvik3400 the sideboard isn't part of your library as the game begins. Companion rules only care about your library, and not anything in your sideboard. There are a number of cards which allow you to search your sideboard during play, so you could technically run jegantha and chalice, it'd just take a tiny bit of interaction to get your chalice.
@kylecote7261 Ah nice, didn't know that. So wish effects and stuff then? Cool
@karl-erikvik3400 Karn, among many. Blue has fae of wishes, too
Had a buddy build a deck for me with almost entirely Japanese cards because I bitched about not being able to read the Japanese cards when I borrowed a deck
Be chill, be chill, be chill!
You know that's the old rules for companion cards? They nerfed it and it costs 3 to bring it into your hand.
When did they add that?? I was looking at the rules for it like, a month ago and it wasnt like that :/
@@gabrialsperka422 Almost immediately after release. Years ago now
@@gabrialsperka422back when Ikoria came out and brought companions back
Jengatha is one of my commanders heading a 5c gates deck.
question, if you have a "double pip" card in your sideboard, is it a valid deck? since it isn't in your starting deck, right? I'm always confused about this rules
I would assume you can put double-pip cards in your sideboard since its not in the deck before the game but it would be useless as soon as it enters your deck from the sideboard as it invalidates the mechanic of the card unless you removed the companion card from your deck and sideboarded a double-pip card or any other card.
TLDR: Can you? Probably. Why would you? No idea. 💀
@@FYRDXGRwish-kind of cards
Companionship doesn't carry over from the previous game in a match, and your sideboard *can* include cards that don't follow the companion's restriction.
However, after you're done sideboarding, you need to announce your companion again before the game starts. You may even change companion between games.
And companions can only be declared if the deck after sideboarding follows that companion's requirements.
@@total_dk6517 Is a companion card apart of the sideboard or outside of the game? Just curious on how that actually works.
@@FYRDXGR"Outside of the game" and the sideboard are one and the same. As such, companion takes up a slot in the sideboard and can be searched up by cards that wish for things from outside of the game/sideboard, unless it is announced as being a companion at the start of the game, at which point it moves to the special Companion zone
no double pips? Oh no my deck is unplayable! 😭
This is why companion is the worst rule ever
Why?
If he's using that omnath wouldn't it be illegal for him to run the 5 color companion? I feel like I'm missing something
No? Omnath is RUGBW, which does not have duplicate mana symbols, its not RRUUGGBBWW or anything
"That sounds like commander deck"
Yeah, that was the (terrible) idea, turn 60 card formats into commander. What a great idea for the game /s
That's what it means I have no idea how to make that do your companion
Wait, THAT’s how you pronounce Beleren?
But, Locus of Creation isn't the 5 color Omnath...did I miss something?
The deck has five colors, Omnath does not.
Either the editor picked the wrong Omnath, or the deck uses Locus but is a five color deck
That's funny, wouldn't be against the rules to read the cards out in a different language for tournaments would it?
This girl is very pretty.
Lmao
Is that true about the back side of an mdfc? It doesn’t have to meet the requirement for jegantha?
Yup, back sides are not qualities a card can check when in the deck or any zone but the battlefield, this comes up easily with MDFCs with a land backside, you can't search it with a land fetch effect
Do I also start the game with an 8 card hand?
Starts outside the game in companion zone. You pay 3 generic mana mana at sorcery speed to add it to your hand. This is a special action that cannot be responded to.
I feel like callin it an eighth card in hand is a very bad way of describin it; that gives the entirely wrong idea
The important thing is this companion card, and other cards with similar mechanics, are nvr actually a part of your deck; they exist in a very rarely used portion of the game zones, the "Out of game zone". Which btw is not at all the same as the exile zone, despite them both bein a case of a card that is not considered to be "in play" or "on the battlefield" or "in a hand/deck" ever unless a card says that it moves them from the exile or out of play zone to an existin zone in the game (or the deck or hand)
A better analogy, if one has played it ofc, is to compare it to fusion deck cards in yugioh; which are not rly a deck bcuz you can just grab any of them out and have them enter play when the right conditions are met. Its not a perf analogy, but its a better one, esp as a person can have a deck with more or less fusion deck cards
Tho back to MTG, there are actually other cards that exist with a similar mechanic to this. There's the infamous Wish mechanic cards, which let you add cards to your deck from outside the game (tho in tourneys such can be limited to ones sideboard). As well as more recent wish-like examples like Masterminds Acquisition for addin to hand, or the Eldrazi only ones, or the Learn mechanic, or many more similar examples
This one just does it in a very unique way, not even done in an Un-set before (unless youre playin with an Un-set, and someone plays a card that makes you ignore all errata; in which case you can bring Cheatyface into play from anywhere, even outside the game. But only then); bcuz it lets you bring a card into the game without requirin you to get any card within the game; only requirin mana cost of the card browt in from outside the game.
Its rly not that complicated, but its rarity makes it quite confusin. The most important bit to remember is that the card is nvr initially a part of their deck or hand; it enters play entirely from outside of game, and nvr changes their hand count or deck card count.
@@danielbretado7660 i know the action isnt responded to, but is it still considered cast for the purposes of cards; or is it only considered as entering play?
@@SylviaRustyFae the non respondable action is adding it to your hand when it s in your hand is a normal card and obviously you can respond to the cast
@@SylviaRustyFae The cards were so busted that there was an errata that has yet to make its way onto physical cards. So now companions have to be moved into your hand as a special action and *then* cast.
I don't play magic so im very lost as to whats happening but it sounds cool lol.
I ise him as my Commander for Mutant deck
Aren't Companions in the Sideboard and is Commander not a format without a Sideboard? Why is the companion in the command zone?
Companions aren't in the command zone, they have their own zone called a companion zone,(although some people say it's in the command zone because it's functionally the same thing) in formats with a sideboard, they count as one of your cards for your sideboard, and on game start you move the card from the sideboard to the companion zone. In formats without a sideboard (like commander) the companion simply starts in the companion zone, but you can still play them (assuming your deck meets the companion requirements of course)
@@Zantatoes i’ve always wondered about companions do they go back to the companion zone or do they just go to the graveyard or exile like every other card?
They just go to the gravyard and exile like everything else, the zone was only made to let them function in commander where sideboards don't exist otherwise.
@@c-mac9902you pay 3 to put it into your hand, then it never touches the companion zone ever again, it acts like a normal creature within your deck from there on out
So, for one, companions work in commander. Pretty much just because WotC said "Yea, we'll let it work just because"
Secondly, where did you get the idea that the video that clearly says they're doing a "Pioneer Gauntlet" wasn't going to be the Pioneer format?
Companion was a mistake.
Companion was awesome.
@@skeletonofflavor2716 look man, I just want Lutri unbanned in commander. If they banned the use of companions, maybe he'd be allowed to play ball.
Companion was amazing (still is)
Double pips should count anywhere on the card imo screw the look at all the cards in my deck to make sure they don’t have double one color but these specific edge cases get around the rule we just made up.
Oh that is true of all things that check the qualities of a card not on the battlefield, only the "front" face counts, this comes up with using dual-faced Spell/Lands, the backside is the land so its not searchable by land fetch or the like
Double Spell cards and Adventure bearing cards are handled differently, its all on one side so they're all valid traits to check for effects searching the deck
I have no idea what they are talking about 😅
Well i tell you what it does....... well you would t have to of jist just play an english version of yhe card seeing how your both speaking english. Neither of you are Japanese.
Mtg prints in like 7 languages
Correction: Mtg currently prints in eight languages, English, Japanese, Chinese (Simplified), French, Italian, German, Spanish, and Portuguese. Last June, Russian, Korean, and Chinese(Traditional) were discontinued.
So are you saying that they should simply not play the card because it requires a quick google to know what the card does?