the cocking knob was never designed to be the rear sight. The rear sight was attached to rear section of the lower. the cocking knob has the cut out to not block the sight picture.
@@MiddletonMade3D the rear sight is built into the lower receiver or traditional Mac design. The upper only has the front sight. Only MPA puts both on the upper because they use a different lower receiver design.
Absolutely. I also see it as how people are with ARs. A LOT of people are more than happy with their Anderson, but sometimes it's nice to also have a Daniel Defense.
@@MiddletonMade3D yeah, I know. I have a pre-86 Ingram M10/45. Ruben is about the highest priced MG dealer I know of. His stuff is still at of 10k for a Mac. Not too shy of $10k but still hasn't broken that barrier. Everything the video said about Lage is 100%. They make BA stuff. Just didn't know they made anything for semi guns.
Thanks for the vid, answered my question on the other. Couple things, VMAC makes a side charger, that's what my Mac daddy was built with. My front trunion was skewed, as well but not more than enough to be slightly annoying. Also, the charging handle isn't a sight, the rear sight was built into the back of the original lower. The groove is just to see through the sight picture. Booligan printed the rear sight into his lower iirc. Can't wait to build this if it's available. Off to search. Thanks again
When I ordered my MPA upper, I forgot to get a bolt as well. Once I received and noticed this problem months later, the customer service helped me and immediately sent me out one after I paid. I got a 1/2 x28 threaded upper left side charging and I love it on my MacNCheese
I DID see that but seem to have cut the mention of it from the video for time. For a righty, I really wish it was a left charger. Thanks for commenting for all to learn and taking the time to watch my video. I appreciate the support.
Love your views,keep up the good work,if you see a problem,fix it and create a business out of it,PEOPLE WILL FLOCK to your enhanced version as long as it is a proven and reliable,you can do it brother.
All my designs use M4 screws for fasteners. I use both a Large upper and VMAC upper. If you have the cash, Lage is Bentley of these uppers. Just so smooth and good looking.
I've got a completed VMAC BCG. is this able to be used in a lage upper? The VMAC uppers are never in stock so I'm looking into the other options. Thanks for the video btw- I have subscribed
Hey! Thanks for the support! I have a VMAC upper and Lage upper and the bolt to both of them is swappable. You should have no issues with a full size 9mm bolt in a full size Lage upper
@@MiddletonMade3D one more quick question - I have my Mac N Cheese assembled but the rear portion seems to "float" just a bit, and it seems nothing is securing it. Should it be absolutely flush with the receiver or is the float a clearance for the hammer?
Your project has inspired me to start working on a mac10/45 version. I don't know if I'll ever publish anything or if it's even possible, I haven't found anyone else working on a 45 version.
Wow, that's wonderful. I hope that goes well for you. Even if its just a personal project, I'd love to see your results once you get something off the print bed.
@@kdmag8858 😞. No, life keeps getting in the way and now Bear Creek Arsenal and Extar among others are making side charging 45's.... Way on the back burner for me now.
Have you tried to mount the rear sight from velocity to your design? I'm thinking I might drill a hole thru the sight and line it up with the rail on back if that rail is removable. I havent read the readme or looked at the stl too much
I'm actually going to be doing a final v 1.6. This last version will have some provision for a rear sight as well as a handful of other requested changes.
I have a vmac with a rail on top and side charger on the right side will that effect anything and also could I use a drop in ar15 trigger set for better performance or no❓
Usually no. They are the same. There's usually cuts for the handle on the top and side but you'll need to verify for the specific ones you're looking at because there are a couple out there that are specifically for only one type of charging location.
Are the barrels from Lage interchangeable with the MPA uppers? For instance could you take a 16" Mac11 (M11/9) barrel and screw it into the Lage to make the pistol into a "rifle"?
@@MiddletonMade3D I went ahead and swapped barrels. They are interchangeable as in the threading is the same, but any barrel other than Lage will need flats cut to fit inside the tight space
I see the Lage uppers are left-side charging. How does that affect which bolts they use? Will a standard top-and-rightside-charge bolt like the JC-Arms one function in a Lage upper?
What's that chest rig you're wearing? I've been thinking about getting a small one like that lately and haven't known where to even begin to look. Also, are there any rumors or anything about a scorpion-mag compatible mac? I'm not sure if the clearances allow for it but I'd definitely be more inclined to make one if they took the scorpion mags.
On the Scorpion mag note, YES. Booligan Shooting Sports has a version that accepts that mag type, however I do believe it requires a bit of sanding to clear the bolt on the M11. The chest rig I use is from "Vajra Tactical Concepts". They have a ton of cool patterns and the finish is better than expected for the price point. Do expect a good wait time associated with their products, however. They are located in either Thailand or the Philippines if I remember correctly.
I'm a lil late to the party but whats your thoughts on Aves Rails mac bolt? I have a VMAC upper with the Aves bolt. Made it 1 shot thru my mac daddy so I figured I'd give this Mac n Cheese a shot because the multi piece design seems a little more forgiving on failures!
I've not had a chance to see the Aves in person yet but I'd assume it would be just fine. JC arms is another one. I have their bolt but have yet to fire it. Send like some slick stuff.
That is actually part of the kit. Anti walk pins kits usually are two pins that have a bar from one to another that secure with a screw. Some don't have the bars now, but usually they will.
Just went to the MPA Website. Not the easiest site to navigate and the description for the parts kits are vague at best. Couldn't tell if one of the parts kits had a bolt carrier group, or not. Also, both the kits I looked at were both on back order. Might just machine and weld my own upper. Always look forward to watching your videos. Cheers
I built a bolt from a missmatch of parts from velocity and mpa but theres also bolts from companies in the #3d2a community now. JC Arms sent me one to checkout that you may want to look into.
@@MiddletonMade3D the vmac bolt fits ok? It’s my understanding that Vmac’s are slightly off sized from original cobray and Mpa models (vmacs being slightly wider). Supposedly vmac parts aren’t interchangeable with cobray or Mpa m11/9 style guns.
For sure! Irons would be probably a human size target but with a red dot, it's more accurate than most shooters are going to be. We were able to hit chalk sticks at 25y pretty regularly.
@@MiddletonMade3D oh wow. That's dam impressive actually...... Have you done a range test as in how far you can shoot repeatedly. Cuz from what you are saying 100 yards is not it.
I was wondering here you can get the flies I have a laptop ,I was a security guard and I have seen some awesome firearms all using the same method this could be a good idea to build whatever you like .
At the chance of sounding like a jerk, you'll have to just Google it. Talking about where or how to get files or manufacturing this type of product is prohibited on UA-cam and they've already given me strikes before
Probably not, unfortunately. It would require even more variants to the design for those who didn't need mounting options and there are already quite a few different parts to choose from as well as a majority of the options now offering a rail for optics built into the upper.
@@MiddletonMade3D makes since. Designed to be simple and reliable. With the side cocker's becoming in stock not a big issue anyways. Can't wait to see what else comes out of Middleton Made.
Machine guns shoot tens of thousands of rounds with that back plate. It's the lower receiver that is getting all the stress of recoil, the back plate is just transmitting it. You do have a point about the two flat headed pieces helping transmit it more uniformly however this is not known to be a failure point at all. Cool stuff though. I am not aware of Lage making a semi-auto bolt, can you ask your friend what you were running in the Lage?
I was shocked at the hour weak that post was but we'll see if it ever creates any issues. Lage doesn't make bolts. I think it's mpa bolt bit with an updated plate from somewhere. I'm really not sure.
@@MiddletonMade3D yeah it can be a problem but really the problem comes from when you drop it, the guide rod falls out, and then gets bent. This is even more of a problem with the tungsten made bolts because they're even heavier, but as far as it running now they seem to never be a failure point. I'm working on a poison sumac myself right now. Coming from the machine gun side of this, these are my first semi auto bolts and I'm trying to figure out if I should get an MPA style, an old Mac style, or a vmac 9 style. Different makers say you have to use vmac versus Cobray and it's kind of confusing to navigate.
Potentially, yes. If you are referring the spicy stuff, none of the diy options are open bolt so there would need to be some reworking. If you mean the 556 versions and what not, i cant think of a reason it wouldnt work.
It should be included on the latest version of files for the Mac n Cheese. There should be a file that says something along the lines of LageNORAIL or similar.
Make sure to print the whole unit new! There has been slight changes to magazine seating height and a few other small things that should be a big benefit to upgrade.
@@MiddletonMade3D Aw man. The lower is made in a beautiful Polymaker Nylon Filament. Is it really incompatible or are there quality of life improvements?
The PDW one is from SIG, for th MCX and MPX. The folding brace is the Sauerkraut that's currently in beta with the Buy Me a Coffee peeps. Should be public before months end if all goes well.
What's up with the NFA threat on Lage's site? NFA Warning These upper receivers are designed to be used with the SWD M-11/9 submachine gun. NFA (National Firearms Act, Title 26, United States Code) rules apply to their use and possession. It is the owners/users responsibility to comply with all local, State and Federal laws and regulations in the use of these products. Possession of these upper receivers with a semi-auto M-11/9 lower receiver is illegal and potentially dangerous.
I literally recorded a while video on the Sauerkraut the other day and I sat down to edit it today and the mic died about a minute in. Fml. Reshooting tomorrow hopefully.
there absolutely are "wind chime" and DIY mac11 upper instructions out there. do a bit of searching and you'll be amazed at how easy it actually is with a few tools.
Scorpion mags require shaving of the sides of the magazine and leaving it very thin to function with a m11 bolt. Scorpion mags were my first choice but seeing as every factory magazine would need to be modded to function, it disqualified them. One of my next projects uses sten mags.
The one down in here is from the SIG MPX but it honestly is not a good fit. The brace is stuck extended and will not collapse. The sauerkraut is so much better. Lol
Damn. Might still get it and see if I can make it work for the .22 MP5. USmachinegun has a MPA folding brace that bolts right to my receiver with the factory tapped holes. Going to go that route for that brace.
@@MiddletonMade3D wouldn't be shocked lol. I think I'm gonna go with the lage, I'm a welder by trade so my mind is telling me to go with steel flats, but designs like yours have me very intrigued. Long term how's the durability, not just firing but handling wise does it feel solid?
Lage is totally the way to go. They are by far the leader in quality and consistency. I've had my receiver for a couple months now and it straight up feels like a weapon from a video game. Just solid and compact.
@@MiddletonMade3D it might be time to get a printer lol. Do you have a file with a modified pic rail for the 5 inch lage or did you just file them to fit?
I would argue the opposite: A semi-auto MAC is a viable PDW, especially with the nicer trigger and magazine. A full-auto MAC is an uncontrollable bullet hose that's almost useless.
@@babarama283 Yes, if you put a $1000+ upper on your $12000+ transferable gun, then it becomes useable. That's totally a fair comparison to a $300 home build.
the cocking knob was never designed to be the rear sight. The rear sight was attached to rear section of the lower. the cocking knob has the cut out to not block the sight picture.
Thank you for the clarification. I must just be missing the rear on mine then. I'll need to look into having a rail added or something.
@@MiddletonMade3D the rear sight is built into the lower receiver or traditional Mac design. The upper only has the front sight. Only MPA puts both on the upper because they use a different lower receiver design.
That's great info! Thank you for the clarification. All the Macs I've used prior to 3d printing just have also been MPA builds then. 🤔
Like they said. My swd mac-11. Open bolt ran like a striped ape.
Yes, it was just a triangular piece of sheet metal with a hole in it on several versions.
The Lage uppers are usually bought by customers with $10k pre-86 MACs, so the price and quality is expected by those customs.
Absolutely. I also see it as how people are with ARs. A LOT of people are more than happy with their Anderson, but sometimes it's nice to also have a Daniel Defense.
Huh, I still havnt seen a Mac for $10k. Maybe from Ruben they are that much.
The full auto and transferrable ones are around that now is what I think he's getting at.
@@MiddletonMade3D yeah, I know. I have a pre-86 Ingram M10/45. Ruben is about the highest priced MG dealer I know of. His stuff is still at of 10k for a Mac. Not too shy of $10k but still hasn't broken that barrier.
Everything the video said about Lage is 100%. They make BA stuff. Just didn't know they made anything for semi guns.
I haven't paid attention to MG costs in a long time so I have nothing intelligent to say. Lol
Thanks for the vid, answered my question on the other. Couple things, VMAC makes a side charger, that's what my Mac daddy was built with. My front trunion was skewed, as well but not more than enough to be slightly annoying. Also, the charging handle isn't a sight, the rear sight was built into the back of the original lower. The groove is just to see through the sight picture. Booligan printed the rear sight into his lower iirc. Can't wait to build this if it's available. Off to search. Thanks again
Thanks for the clarification and sorry. I appreciate you. The Mac n Cheese is available on Defcad and Odysee and there may be a v2 in the next year.
When I ordered my MPA upper, I forgot to get a bolt as well. Once I received and noticed this problem months later, the customer service helped me and immediately sent me out one after I paid. I got a 1/2 x28 threaded upper left side charging and I love it on my MacNCheese
If you share any images or videos on social, feel free to tag me. I'd love to see your build.
Great video 🔥
Thanks homie! I appreciate you stopping by.
Nice Mr. Universe "Firefly" reference at the end. "You can't stop the signal."
Amazing show!
VMAC's side charging model has a rail on top. The charging handle is on the right side.
I DID see that but seem to have cut the mention of it from the video for time. For a righty, I really wish it was a left charger. Thanks for commenting for all to learn and taking the time to watch my video. I appreciate the support.
The Mac n cheese is in Starfield. It's called the kodama
Oh thats kick ass!
Wisconsin proud!
Hell yeah! 🤘
What's the job market like out there? Wanna get into HVAC so I can leave this oppressive state with displaced Californians.
Plenty of opportunity for those with trade skills. There's mainly agriculture and factory work for industry here.
Love your views,keep up the good work,if you see a problem,fix it and create a business out of it,PEOPLE WILL FLOCK to your enhanced version as long as it is a proven and reliable,you can do it brother.
Thank you for the kind words. I'm definitely going to give it a go!
So for declaring these (Michigan, must declare all pistols, even home built)... which of these piece is considered the lower?
Hey there, the lower receiver, the part that accepts the trigger components and the magazine, is the firearm.
What kind of bolt is compatible with the LAGE type uppers?
I've had good fit with Lage and all but KAK. That said, KAK bolts are best for standard receivers.
Just made my first one and I love it already!! Still looking for a upper, what kind of fasteners do you use on the v1.5 ?
All my designs use M4 screws for fasteners. I use both a Large upper and VMAC upper. If you have the cash, Lage is Bentley of these uppers. Just so smooth and good looking.
I've got a completed VMAC BCG. is this able to be used in a lage upper? The VMAC uppers are never in stock so I'm looking into the other options. Thanks for the video btw- I have subscribed
Hey! Thanks for the support! I have a VMAC upper and Lage upper and the bolt to both of them is swappable. You should have no issues with a full size 9mm bolt in a full size Lage upper
@@MiddletonMade3D one more quick question - I have my Mac N Cheese assembled but the rear portion seems to "float" just a bit, and it seems nothing is securing it. Should it be absolutely flush with the receiver or is the float a clearance for the hammer?
Your project has inspired me to start working on a mac10/45 version. I don't know if I'll ever publish anything or if it's even possible, I haven't found anyone else working on a 45 version.
Wow, that's wonderful. I hope that goes well for you. Even if its just a personal project, I'd love to see your results once you get something off the print bed.
Any progress on this?
@@kdmag8858 😞. No, life keeps getting in the way and now Bear Creek Arsenal and Extar among others are making side charging 45's.... Way on the back burner for me now.
Have you tried to mount the rear sight from velocity to your design? I'm thinking I might drill a hole thru the sight and line it up with the rail on back if that rail is removable. I havent read the readme or looked at the stl too much
I'm actually going to be doing a final v 1.6. This last version will have some provision for a rear sight as well as a handful of other requested changes.
hey its been a few years, are the aves uppers any good? have any of the issues been addressed in these uppers since?
etc :D
KAK has come on the scene with bolts that rock, but otherwise not much has changed.
Super excited to get my Ender 3 and print one of these bad lads and might be convinced to get the Lage upper for it!
Its a big rabbit hole. Prepare your wallet and get good storage options for the endless amounts of filament you'll end up purchasing. lol.
I have a vmac with a rail on top and side charger on the right side will that effect anything and also could I use a drop in ar15 trigger set for better performance or no❓
You know, I've never tried to drop in trigger. I've always used these standard mill spec ones
Is the bolt different for side charging or top charging? I got the MPA upper, but I need a bolt and I'm not sure.
Usually no. They are the same. There's usually cuts for the handle on the top and side but you'll need to verify for the specific ones you're looking at because there are a couple out there that are specifically for only one type of charging location.
@@MiddletonMade3D Thank you. I got the side charging MPA one.
Are the barrels from Lage interchangeable with the MPA uppers? For instance could you take a 16" Mac11 (M11/9) barrel and screw it into the Lage to make the pistol into a "rifle"?
I dont know this for sure. The parts do look similar but I've not ripped the two sides of my Lage upper apart yet.
@@MiddletonMade3D I went ahead and swapped barrels. They are interchangeable as in the threading is the same, but any barrel other than Lage will need flats cut to fit inside the tight space
I see the Lage uppers are left-side charging. How does that affect which bolts they use? Will a standard top-and-rightside-charge bolt like the JC-Arms one function in a Lage upper?
They left side charge but they interface off of the front of the bolt so they'll work with any out there
Are there any instructional videos on the assembly?
I had one until it was removed by YT. I'll do another one somewhat soon on Playeur.
Have you ever used a madcow upper? They're top charging cobray uppers with no bolt.
Uhhhh no... I'll definitely have to look that up!
@@MiddletonMade3D they're 269, I'm hoping I got an alright deal.
That doesn't sound too terrible. Pricey vary so much lately it's hard to know really. Something in hand is better than nothing though!
Im a few weeks out on my MPA upper. Ill let you know if I have the same issue with it
Hell yes! Can't wait to see it.
Does the MPA side charging handle reciprocate with each shot or does it stay forward while firing?
All charging handles go for a ride while firing except Lage. It's not a huge deal, but definitely need to be aware of how your hands are positioned.
Can you recommend some bolts and back plates to look at?
Lage has a build kit, all the parts in one spot, otherwise you can piece together a bolt across multiple brands. I'm doing so now with vmac and mpa
What's that chest rig you're wearing? I've been thinking about getting a small one like that lately and haven't known where to even begin to look. Also, are there any rumors or anything about a scorpion-mag compatible mac? I'm not sure if the clearances allow for it but I'd definitely be more inclined to make one if they took the scorpion mags.
On the Scorpion mag note, YES. Booligan Shooting Sports has a version that accepts that mag type, however I do believe it requires a bit of sanding to clear the bolt on the M11.
The chest rig I use is from "Vajra Tactical Concepts". They have a ton of cool patterns and the finish is better than expected for the price point. Do expect a good wait time associated with their products, however. They are located in either Thailand or the Philippines if I remember correctly.
Beautiful designed lower. What filament do you use for these prints?
eSun PLA+ and COEX CF Nylex are my go to filaments.
I'd like to see more with the lage
Coming up!
I'm a lil late to the party but whats your thoughts on Aves Rails mac bolt? I have a VMAC upper with the Aves bolt. Made it 1 shot thru my mac daddy so I figured I'd give this Mac n Cheese a shot because the multi piece design seems a little more forgiving on failures!
I've not had a chance to see the Aves in person yet but I'd assume it would be just fine. JC arms is another one. I have their bolt but have yet to fire it. Send like some slick stuff.
Was also curious about the aves
What's that bit called that you are connecting the two anti walk pins with?
That is actually part of the kit. Anti walk pins kits usually are two pins that have a bar from one to another that secure with a screw. Some don't have the bars now, but usually they will.
@@MiddletonMade3D I guess mine didn't come with the kit. I'll have to keep an eye on that from now on. Thanks for the quick reply
Just went to the MPA Website. Not the easiest site to navigate and the description for the parts kits are vague at best. Couldn't tell if one of the parts kits had a bolt carrier group, or not. Also, both the kits I looked at were both on back order. Might just machine and weld my own upper. Always look forward to watching your videos. Cheers
The MAF "wind chime" page is even worse!
I built a bolt from a missmatch of parts from velocity and mpa but theres also bolts from companies in the #3d2a community now. JC Arms sent me one to checkout that you may want to look into.
Got the one you used in your video from MPA, but might machine one just because. Cheers
Would you be able to put the V mac bolt in the masterpiece arms.
Yes! I currently have a vmac bolt in mine.
@@MiddletonMade3D the vmac bolt fits ok? It’s my understanding that Vmac’s are slightly off sized from original cobray and Mpa models (vmacs being slightly wider). Supposedly vmac parts aren’t interchangeable with cobray or Mpa m11/9 style guns.
Do you happen to have on for the mini mpa?
Sadly I do not. I don't have one of those to work with, sadly
What's the difference in Max-11 mk2 and max-11s mk2? The max-11s is out of stock but the other one isnt?
The 11S is for semi-auto receivers, the 11 is for full-auto pre-86 Macs.
What is the current round count for the Mac-N-Cheese v1.5 currently?
I only have around 500 through mine but I've heard reports of people over a thousand already.
How's the accuracy. Can it reach out 100yards?
For sure! Irons would be probably a human size target but with a red dot, it's more accurate than most shooters are going to be. We were able to hit chalk sticks at 25y pretty regularly.
@@MiddletonMade3D oh wow. That's dam impressive actually...... Have you done a range test as in how far you can shoot repeatedly. Cuz from what you are saying 100 yards is not it.
@armenmkrtchyan4865 I'll test that with some upcoming video 🙂
I was wondering here you can get the flies I have a laptop ,I was a security guard and I have seen some awesome firearms all using the same method this could be a good idea to build whatever you like .
At the chance of sounding like a jerk, you'll have to just Google it. Talking about where or how to get files or manufacturing this type of product is prohibited on UA-cam and they've already given me strikes before
Any plans for a small rail section at the rear for a micro red dot or rmr?
Probably not, unfortunately. It would require even more variants to the design for those who didn't need mounting options and there are already quite a few different parts to choose from as well as a majority of the options now offering a rail for optics built into the upper.
@@MiddletonMade3D makes since. Designed to be simple and reliable. With the side cocker's becoming in stock not a big issue anyways. Can't wait to see what else comes out of Middleton Made.
I can’t find any other uppers anywhere
All about that back order! There ARE options for DIY as well. A lot of digging required, but it's not difficult to build once sourced
Hey man, been watching and printing the .95 and 1.0 mac and cheese. Where can I find the 1.5 files??
Hey Jakez v1.5 is on odysee and will be live on Defcad soon (any day now I'm told). If you have any questions, be sure to send them my way!
@@MiddletonMade3D good thing Im a legio member bad thing I didnt check odysee. Thank you for your work good sir!
I keep checking my page on Defcad to see if it's live yet. Should be this week. Fingers crossed!
Machine guns shoot tens of thousands of rounds with that back plate. It's the lower receiver that is getting all the stress of recoil, the back plate is just transmitting it. You do have a point about the two flat headed pieces helping transmit it more uniformly however this is not known to be a failure point at all. Cool stuff though. I am not aware of Lage making a semi-auto bolt, can you ask your friend what you were running in the Lage?
I was shocked at the hour weak that post was but we'll see if it ever creates any issues. Lage doesn't make bolts. I think it's mpa bolt bit with an updated plate from somewhere. I'm really not sure.
@@MiddletonMade3D yeah it can be a problem but really the problem comes from when you drop it, the guide rod falls out, and then gets bent. This is even more of a problem with the tungsten made bolts because they're even heavier, but as far as it running now they seem to never be a failure point.
I'm working on a poison sumac myself right now. Coming from the machine gun side of this, these are my first semi auto bolts and I'm trying to figure out if I should get an MPA style, an old Mac style, or a vmac 9 style. Different makers say you have to use vmac versus Cobray and it's kind of confusing to navigate.
may i know what treading is the mac11 i think its not standard like the ar right? and is there adaptor to fit ar suppressor?
Usually 1/2 x28
Oh, you know you bringing up Lage actually makes me wonder if their more eccentric options would fit on these prints...
Potentially, yes. If you are referring the spicy stuff, none of the diy options are open bolt so there would need to be some reworking. If you mean the 556 versions and what not, i cant think of a reason it wouldnt work.
What mag do u feel works the best?
I personally like Amend 2, but I havent had issues with any magazine type exclusively.
Where do I get the file to download it
Information can be found at my website. I can't link it inform on this platform.
Good info. Thank you
Thanks for your support!
Where can I get that front piece compatible with the lage uppers?
Nevermind. I thought I had 1.5, I was still on 1.2. My lage upper came today. I can get that new piece printed quick.
It should be included on the latest version of files for the Mac n Cheese. There should be a file that says something along the lines of LageNORAIL or similar.
Make sure to print the whole unit new! There has been slight changes to magazine seating height and a few other small things that should be a big benefit to upgrade.
@@MiddletonMade3D Aw man. The lower is made in a beautiful Polymaker Nylon Filament. Is it really incompatible or are there quality of life improvements?
At this point I can't recall if they aren't fully compatible. You can always just print and see! Haha. Worse comes to worse it's one more print.
What is that brace 👀
The PDW one is from SIG, for th MCX and MPX. The folding brace is the Sauerkraut that's currently in beta with the Buy Me a Coffee peeps. Should be public before months end if all goes well.
What's up with the NFA threat on Lage's site?
NFA Warning
These upper receivers are designed to be used with the SWD M-11/9 submachine gun. NFA (National Firearms Act, Title 26, United States Code) rules apply to their use and possession. It is the owners/users responsibility to comply with all local, State and Federal laws and regulations in the use of these products. Possession of these upper receivers with a semi-auto M-11/9 lower receiver is illegal and potentially dangerous.
They are covering their but legally if one was to purchase and use for F/A.. the uppers themselves are not NFA items
I like the color
Thanks! it's the light blue from eSun
That sauerkraut though
Dude, it's one of my favorite designs
@@MiddletonMade3D probably the best brace I've found available. You should do a video on that badboy and the slimjim
I literally recorded a while video on the Sauerkraut the other day and I sat down to edit it today and the mic died about a minute in. Fml.
Reshooting tomorrow hopefully.
Will these work with a bianary trigger?
They sure do! And man is it cool.
@@MiddletonMade3D oh hell yeah! I'd like to 3d print this as my very first printed gun
@MiddletonMade3D any idea if it will work with the super safely? I know that's probably a super long shot
Can't get parts kits where I live, someone should do a diy mac upper for use with these lowers.
there absolutely are "wind chime" and DIY mac11 upper instructions out there. do a bit of searching and you'll be amazed at how easy it actually is with a few tools.
Any ETA on MNC V2?
Yes! Beta testing will have an update in the next couple days and I'm hoping it's the final revision. 🤞 Then we go public!
@@MiddletonMade3D I just placed my order for the Lage MAX-11K. Also have plenty of lower parts for the build. LMK when it comes avail on the odd_see.
Hell yeah! Can't wait to see that bad boy
@@MiddletonMade3D Should I start with 1.5 or wait for 2.0?
Is personally wait for v2
Good info. Would like the video more without the music though.
Thanks!
Music is loud, a bit tough to hear some stuff
True! Thank you for the feedback.
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dear sir link tht small gun pls
Can't provide links but if you visit any of my pages, it should be easy enough to find. :)
Im modifying the lower to use scorpion mags. This glock mag shxt needs to stop lol
Scorpion mags require shaving of the sides of the magazine and leaving it very thin to function with a m11 bolt. Scorpion mags were my first choice but seeing as every factory magazine would need to be modded to function, it disqualified them. One of my next projects uses sten mags.
Can this be done with the mpa mac 45?
It's absolutely possible to be done, it's just the availability of parts and the market demand for such a lower that are the issue right now.
What’s that brace?
The one down in here is from the SIG MPX but it honestly is not a good fit. The brace is stuck extended and will not collapse. The sauerkraut is so much better. Lol
Damn. Might still get it and see if I can make it work for the .22 MP5. USmachinegun has a MPA folding brace that bolts right to my receiver with the factory tapped holes. Going to go that route for that brace.
Feel free to tag me if you post it publicly. I'd love to see the end result!
Might have to cause there is limited info online I’m sure others want the same setup I do..
Is the 3d community why you can't get uppers from vmac or moa anymore lol
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@@MiddletonMade3D wouldn't be shocked lol. I think I'm gonna go with the lage, I'm a welder by trade so my mind is telling me to go with steel flats, but designs like yours have me very intrigued. Long term how's the durability, not just firing but handling wise does it feel solid?
Lage is totally the way to go. They are by far the leader in quality and consistency. I've had my receiver for a couple months now and it straight up feels like a weapon from a video game. Just solid and compact.
@@MiddletonMade3D it might be time to get a printer lol. Do you have a file with a modified pic rail for the 5 inch lage or did you just file them to fit?
One file should fit for all of their uppers minus the Max-11sk, which I have a special part with no rail.
Who else is here from Uzi Talk?
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My Son shooting our M11/9 SMG
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Do you have a heavy bolt? The cycle rate on that seems so slow and comfortable compared to the bullet vomit I usually see.
@@MiddletonMade3D it is a Tungsten slow fire bolt.
Oh niiiiice.
I see your UPSIDE down flag, I understand brother, but im in CO and know 0 people
It only seems to get more upside down as time goes on :(
Looks like something from COD Mobile
I can kind of see that actually!
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M11 sux if not full auto!
Sure, but the same could be applied to most firearms. Lol
I would argue the opposite:
A semi-auto MAC is a viable PDW, especially with the nicer trigger and magazine.
A full-auto MAC is an uncontrollable bullet hose that's almost useless.
@@cymond Not with the Lage upper which lowers the rate-of-fire to get even 2-3 round bursts.
@@babarama283 Yes, if you put a $1000+ upper on your $12000+ transferable gun, then it becomes useable.
That's totally a fair comparison to a $300 home build.