He murdered a prison rival - if he hadn’t been sent to prison in the first place, there wouldn’t be any rival for him to murder. it’s a real catch 22 edit: for people who might’ve got the wrong impression, this is a joke *
Imagine going from convict facing 70 years, to Joe rogan guest and still letting a petty prison dispute drag you straight back to the place you escaped. Genuinely like winning the lottery just to go broke 1 year later because of bad decisions
1 year... 1 week later sounds like a more apt comparison considering he's not only going to be broke, he traded freedom for the rest of his life for something that was tickling his ego.
Being locked in prison, rivalries like that become a lot more important to your life than some dispute. It's not like having a bad interaction in the supermarket.
Definitely not comparable to lottery winners. That’s more like athletes. You’re never taught financial literacy and then you get millions off of chance. You’re losing it because you’ve never conquered those bad spending habits. Pro athletes, come from HS with the majority coming from middle-class families, so no one has financial literacy generally in that class or lower. And then they go to college where they are broke or have some money but financial literacy isn’t taught in school, it’s classically been generational secrets until the internet. Now, you give those same guys with no financial literacy millions of dollars. The owners of teams don’t care to kick back knowledge to their players… It’s an endless cycle unless one is taught, or they’ve learned on their own volition, which is rare. Knowing what you should be learning, is harder than learning the thing itself.
he was top of the food chain in the gang, which means he probably killed lots of people to establish that role you don't just become a gang leader and become reformed nice guy... these type of guys dont' get reformed they just try to kill better. Using blonde wig just shows he was not a very smart pyschopath and probably got to leader status by brutal killing and grapes. seems like the judge could sense in his actions and demeanor that something was off a lot of these woke clowns lake that abilities specifically common sense. It would be common sense not to trust a guy who is at the top leader in a gang , because you have to think how do you get there.
I’ve actually met this man and heard him speak last summer in NY. He kept getting over emotional during the speech and was lashing out at the audience like it’s our fault he ended up a felon. I got the worst vibes off this guy, it’s insane that less than a year later he’s in jail for murder.
@@MattZaycYTit honestly wasnt a puzzle to make out his whole perspective is victim mentality but giving 50 years prolly just made him more in that perspective and unable to sit with remorse and instead with resent and hatred for the system. But when you robbing people violently, its up to you to fix that perspective cuz aint no one gonna do it for you, and if you realize what you did, youd also realize that everyone wants you locked up, and shit, youd even be able to reflect on that change of mindset from being a victim with no remorse to realizing the victim mentality prevents you from changing no matter how many years you get. Didnt see that self criticism in him, he spends his time focusing on prison reform like he was wrongfully convicted, rather than displaying anything about his own accountability against the odds and the importance that has as well as the system. They were sugar coating his persona, “a great human being” like the realism of critical thinking must be avoided at all times, but when you have moved on from something you did wrong in your past, you dont need people to resist negative criticism because the truth speaks for itself. If you gave changed you will naturally understand this because your empathy will remind you that your a different person now. See that confusion in a lot of people who cant admit their wrongdoings. Knew he was cap as soon as i realized that. But the biggest thing… I know what its like to lie. Havent been so truthful in my past. And been around these bad people and drugs. You can just see his baggage and numbness through his rapport and affect. Instead of enjoying his time out, he wasting it on respect. People’s trust and respect in him is obviously a big deal for him. So much so to where I GUARANTEE if you questioned his authenticity, especially as a gang member, he would lose it to the idea of people not thinking hes hard (hard as in robbing people, getting money, all the bs he should be in jail for), rather than realizing thats not the character he should uphold. He cant take accountability for the monster he became because of his ego, his skill at manipulation (being “top of the food chain”), and his inability to listen to what anyone else has to say other than himself (because no one gets it). Although some traits come to the surface unfairly (giving 50 years for 2 stitches), I am only analyzing the product and dynamic of his response to his predicament to validate his release, to see if hes changed at heart. And from what I see, he’ll kill somebody again if you let him off the hook.
The judge treated him like he was worthless. He treated his victims like they were..? If you are willing to kill someone for their belongings you are a menace to society, and you be excluded from society.
And honestly the main way the US has to try to rehabilitate people is the jail system, where this guy would go in and then maybe get drug treatment if he needed it, and get a chance to get away from a bad crowd if he was hanging out with a bad crowd. That's not necessarily treating you as if you're worthless. You did a bad thing and there are consequences for that. It only reflects on you as a person if you let it.
Every single person that the Innocence Project represents is like this. They are never wrongfully convicted, they just try and set free the worst of our society
"He got hit in the head" "He got two stitches" "She got robbed as well" "His jewelry got taken" "He decided I don't count" "He threw my life away" "He rejected my plea deal" "He got in a fight with my son" "He stepped into traffic" "He got hit by a car and he died" This dude literally has no sense of responsibility. He just sounds like that stereotype of the prisoner intellectual who has become a genius doing nothing but pretending to follow rules all day for 25 years. Only thing missing is "gave my life to Jesus and he forgave me" 🤮🤮
Noticed that use of the passive voice immediately and wondered if anyone was going to point that out. Haven't seen the actual podcast, but if nobody corrected him during the show and just let him go on talking as if none of what happened was his responsibility, then nobody on that show deserves their platform.
4:43 Love the use of passive voice here. '.. his girlfriend happened to be there, so she got caught up..' and 'he got a gun to his head', as if this is simply something that happened to her and not something they did 😂
I said it in another comment but I'll say it here too. It's called psychological distancing. When someone has done something wrong but they don't want to admit it, they'll say things like "she was hurt" instead of "I stabbed her."
I remember that episode. Sheldon Jonson kept making remarks like “he got hit in the head,” “she got caught up in it” but never said that he was responsible. He did say he “robbed” the guy, but he totally minimized his responsibility.
Yes! I instantly stumbled over that. "He got hit in the head? No, you gigantic pos hit him." Zero accountability - one might be tempted to call him a menace to society.
Not anymore. He not only showed his willingness to harm others for personal gain in his earlier life before prison but also showed how he's 100% willing to take someones life and cut up the body...... Put him under, hes like 50, he won't change.
50 years for two stitches? No, 50 years for armed robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, traumatizing the victims, and years of therapy needed for victims. Not just two stitches
@@bantafanta7301 so what's that supposed to mean? you have a ridiculously overly-lenient system that lets criminals off the hook too easy and back in civilization where they should't be
@@ThePowerMoves quite an emphatic statement. All of Europe is safer and happier than the US, but you're sure their system is flawed and not yours. The best systems focus on education and rehabilitation instead of long incarceration while treating convicts like slave labor.
In the Joe Rogan interview, he doesn't come across as remorseful or truthful. He deflects the blame onto his victims. He says that the victim's gf got caught up in his robbery, and consequently, was robbed by his friends too. Then when talking about the victim, he says the guy got hit in the head with the gun, making it sound like the guy ran into the gun with his own head. I don't agree with 50 years, but clearly, the judge saw something in this man that wasn't right.
This x a bajillion- anyone watching that podcast that didn’t immediately walk away with the impression that Sheldon is, at the very least, walking around with extreme/persistent antisocial personality disorder, with a psychopathy bent towards extreme sociopathy wasn’t paying attention. I’ll say it again, most people will reveal their true character/intent to you almost immediately if you’re willing to pay attention. You don’t have to be a linguistic expert or have a PhD in psychology, just two ears, two eyes and a functioning brain to recognize the truth. The most skilled manipulation tactics can be a little harder to detect, but Sheldon is absolutely not in any way skilled at this. He laid bare exactly the monster he is; no empathy, no remorse, anger towards others (especially those who see through him like the judge) he’s bold, he’s disinhibited, and he’s got to have severe back pain from lugging around that oversized ego. IMO he found a willing dupe in Dubin, and Josh needs to take a good look in the mirror and recognize that he was absolutely and completely blinded by his own narcissism.
I believe judge try to do something like "Minority Report", trying to arrest the person to not committed future possible crimes, since the judge have seen many cases and see a clear signal of a sociopath.
In general I agree with this sentiment as a ex-con myself.... But, fuck anyone who carries that sentiment into drugs. I got 8 years for sellin weed earlier in life. Victimless crime. It's a crime and I still feel no remorse on a moral level. Fuckin bullshit
@@gmbane384exactly which is why this criminal justice porn in the comments needs to stop. If you don't like what someone did and want to punish them so be it but you have to call out what they did specifically you can't just say they committed a crime
He was a serial armed robber whose 25-year sentence was on the conviction of attempted murder. It's absolutely baffling that Rogan thought it wise to have this guy on the podcast at all.
Apparently he just has a commitment to the innocence project and has this guy on a few times a year to support them. My understanding is this guy josh just brings someone and goes over the story but I think it's usually overturned convictions. That's probably why he felt the need to flat out acknowledge this guys guilt in the introduction. Not to minimize his responsibility, I just doubt he looks into it at all. I'd be absolutely furious with that guy though.
Rogan's whole career is platforming morons, bigots, scammers and white nationalists for views. Bread and circuses for the hoi polloi is his whole brand.
@@Connor-zz8zf Mf stfu. This is the most generic thought/comment anybody could come up with that came to mind after I watched the video. I don't even know what comment you're referencing that you're accusing me of copying.
why do I feel like this isn't even far off from something this guy would say? "she needs to surround herself with better people" "I hope she chooses a better partner next time" or some other such bullshit @@sambmortimer
I noticed in his initial story he uses a ton of passive voice, which, when you've come to term with the wrongs you've done, shouldn't happen. Like "his girlfriend found herself involved..." "he was hit by the gun..." Not, "I/we held up his girlfriend..." "I/we hit him with the gun..."
It's called psychological distancing. When someone has done something wrong but they don't want to admit it, they'll say things like "she was hurt" instead of "I stabbed her."
I'm glad you brought this up. Someone that can't bring themselves to say "I did that," is someone who isn't holding themselves accountable for their own actions. It's disrespectful to the victims for him to try to play it off like he did.
True, some nuance, but overall the mere idea of taking a life is an evil action, even if done for 'good' reasons. Gypsy rose for example, or war when a soldier kills another soldier. Those are still 'evil' acts.
This dude even said in his interview that if being good doesn't work out he could always go back to being bad. I think that was the biggest indicator right there he didn't give a fuck about spending 25 years in prison.
I’m wondering if the ”might” is to prevent himself from making a libelous statement or to drive click traffic. I think it’s the latter, I’m much more interested if it’s an open question than just hearing a sanctimonious rant.
He probably thought he could head to one of his aunt’s cribs and borrow some makeup and one of her blonde wigs and tell her that he needs a place to stay and he’d be safe for days if he shaved his legs with Renee’s razor blades
@@JimbobfromoklahomaI was thinking that, but “evil” is such a generic adjective/pejorative like “mean” or “dumb” that I don’t know if it can be considered libel/slander if it’s not a noun/claim like “murderer” that- even with evidence- has to be stated as speculated. That being said, I’m sure Coffee is just being safe and doing his due diligence
OK, the wig is fascinating. It doesn't work as a disguise; it doesn't conceal any identifiable part of him - e.g. his face; and it draws *massively* more attention to him and what he might be doing than if he'd just not worn a wig at all. I think the reason for this, and the reason why he went on Joe Rogan, might be that Sheldon is not very smart.
He actually wore like 3 different disguises which was one of the things the neighbors found so suspicious about him (aside from the fact that he kept going in and out with a key and didn't live there). And then he left most of the body parts in the dude's freezer anyway for the cops to find in the apartment... so hardworking and smart, both.
@@bubba99009 And the cops allegedly found Sheldon in the apartment with the victim's body parts, so he made it even easier for them to link him to the crime.. I'd love to see his lawyer's face when they see him in that security footage. Bet he didn't realise how good CCTV cameras got over the 25 years he was locked up.
This guy has the mind of a child. To shout, “I’m innocent” after being caught literally red handed is so unbelievable considering all of the public speaking he did talking about how he was given too much time. The judge was right.
This is extremely bad for prison reform advacates and innocence project. This case will be referenced by judges for a long time as a cautionary tale for them to not go easy on people tbey see as a threat no matter how much advocacy the convicted person has.
Well fuck prison reform advocates and the innocence project till someone proved they are completely innocent from aforementioned crime they don’t deserve shit as a suspect also why should you give mercy to people who don’t care about harming others like it’s not a wrong doing
Assault with a deadly weapon, grand theft, organized crime... like, maybe not 50 years but yikes, not freedom. Agree with the 'should have still been in jail' comment.
How do you envision him still being in jail while criticizing his sentence. If his sentence was shorter he would not be in jail until he committed another crime
Its hard to say, but whats ussually done is that there's a whole huge list of modifiers to determine the suggested sentance for a crime. Things like a repeated history of crimes, multiple crimes commited in a short period, and the relative severity of crimes as well as how the person has acted since they got arrested / in court all can affect the suggested prison sentance. Theres also the thing of concurrent vs consecutive sentances, sometimes commiting multiple crimes has a concurrent sentance, where 5, 2 year sentances are served concurrently results in spending only 2 years in jail. Consecutive sentances are one after the other, so 5, 2 year sentances consecutively are 10 years in jail. Im not a lawyer, but im willing to bet he wasnt given 50 years for a single crime, but numerous consecutive sentances that added up to 5p years. So armed robbery might get 2 years each, agravated assault 5 years, exc.
I absolutely lost all respect for the innocence project when they tried to release Julius Jones with a whole lot of deception, lies and race baiting. It was honestly incredibly infuriating to see what TIP said and then learn the truth about the whole case. Even when they got an extra DNA test (that AGAIN proved Julius Jones was guilty), they kept trying to release him. They don't really care about releasing innocent people.
Not to conspiracy bait- but we’ve all heard of the fema ~ “offer violent offending criminals a reduced sentence or even a cleared sentence for agreement to join private military training operations” ~ thing, right? This couldn’t be somehow, someway, wrapped up in all that, could it? 🤔 (I don’t do the conspiracy stuff, I don’t research stuff or watch the news anymore- too damn stressful. But who knows, it’s all one big sweater, connected by the same threads? 🤷)
I had a coworker that I used to drive to work and he would always talk about how he’s gonna do good things and succeed despite his past. He disappeared eventually and 2 years later I found out that 2 weeks before I met him he robbed and murdered someone as well. I drove around with a murderer. It’s crazy how evil and guiltless people can be.
This isn’t really your point but people that need to constantly convince themselves and other people that they will succeed in life are fighting demons. Just be successful no need to talk about it
@@dannydanumbaVery personal, not everybody will take it as well. And neither did she, most likely, just putting up a strong face for her bitch of a son.
How do we demonstrate that the system is corrupt? I know! Let's bring on a guy that 100% should have gone to prison and should still be in there. Genius!
@kingsadvisor18 you just got to remember human nature. We are all humans and make mistakes. But I get it, idk how some people just believe ppl bc of how they talk... it seems to me that people like calm people no matter what they are doing 😅
He got 50 years not for two stitches but because by his own admission, he was at the top of his gang, not just any gangster. You give a guy 50 years like that you can't expect him to act like a normal person after leaving too soon...
There was zero remorse in how he recounted that story. He still sounded angry and showed no remorse for also harming the innocent girlfriend. Then, he BRAGGED about his place in the crime world. Like...this guy has recitivism written all over him. Speaking as a black person myself, yes, I know that harsher sentences have a precendent of being given to non-violent or less violent crimes to black and brown people, but it seems the judge knew what he was doing. This wasn't a case of needing to make an example out of this guy or that a black person has to be harsher to other blacks to avoid accusations of a bias from white peers. If this guy already had a criminal past and just hadn't been caught for some of it, and only due to luck had someone not been killed previously, this man was a ticking time bomb. Sadly, that bomb still went off, even after being in jail. He's proven he's a career criminal and is too dangerous to be on the streets. I hope this time, he's given something like life without parole.
This is a common thread amongst the Innocence Fraud Project. That's who got him out of jail. Most of the killers they represent are 100% guilty but they are an anti-prison/anti-death penalty advocacy group.
Not only did he show no remorse, he barely took any accountability for his actions. He kept using language like "she got caught up in it", "he got hit", and "he got roughed up", as if it was just a force of nature that caused these things to happen. A remorseful and accountable person would say "I hit him and I'm sorry I did that". He said nothing even close to that. The only thing he admitted was doing the robbery which he justified because the guy owed him drug money. Even that was probably a lie because who gives away 5k worth of drugs without demanding payment right then and there? That's now how drug deals usually work. I can't believe Rogan listened to this guy's BS and didn't immediately call him out on it.
One thing that stuck out to me that happens a lot in modern day is that he mentioned that the judge was “African American.” As if because he shares a skin color with you means anything. He said it in a tone like he was being betrayed by him. That mentality is so crazy to me because as a mixed person raised by my white adoptive parents, I was taught not to see people by their skin color and that just because someone is the same color as you, doesn’t mean they have your best interests or that you should automatically trust them.
The immediate red flag for me watching the clips in this video was that he mentioned the result of what sounds like an assault (2 stitches) but didn't go into what he was actually charged with. It's like, what if someone gets life and didn't kill anyone, only to find out they were found guilty of conspiracy to murder.
My grandfather wrote me a letter for my 16th or 17th birthday that read something similar. "Only give friends 2 strikes because a third is soon to follow"😮
@@owlmostdead9492 not if that loser had a previous record. Severe punishments are never handed to people without previous record (unless it is a violet, and obvious crime)
@@Sig509 It would still be preemptive punishment and therefore insane, there is a reason why the FBI needs to wait for the actual deal to happen before apprehending someone in a bust.
Finally we can agree joe is a problem himself. Use to look up to him and now he brings guests that are racist and spread misinformatiom.He replies “if it is true, then it makes sense” which his way of saying “This guy is BS” to the guest.He has become no better than news channel who does not care about the truth.He could have at least question the wild racist & misinformation statement the guest has spouted.Yet he remain in silent.
@@imanzulkarnaian8528it’s not joe Rogans job to tell you how to think, he has people with differing opinions and pretty much shuts up and let’s them talk. Most of the time he just lets people rants and that’s what makes it good.
@@13illyxmazewell, he can also invite people that is an actual criminal just to make a self-justification... What is more dangerous is not the opinion, it is the platform for them to say it
And one more thing did they assume because the judge was black he was supposed to have some sort of sympathy for another black man? Even if he is a criminal? They assume the judge should give him a pass because they are the same skin colour?
This is a great example of someone being genuinely racist. "he, you'd think the black judge would help the black criminal!" lol It's insane how racist some of these people get away with being as long as it's in a certain context.
"I committed a violent crime with my friends in which one of my victims ONLY needed a few stitches. Why is the judge such a dick? I'm sooooo opwessed."
While I agree in some aspects what about the fact most people get away with way worse for almost no time but he robbed someone and got 50 years isn't that crazy
@bleath2111 he threatened to kill these people and pointed guns in they face. As he happily admits: he is the leader of a criminal organization. He is a repeat offender. He is COMPLETELY unrepentant: he had 25 years to think it over yet he still thinks he was justified and he didn't do anything wrong. Clearly the Judge was correct, because he went on to mur dah
For people like him, that's actually quite a short rap sheet. Gangstas and thugs think they deserve to be like Darrel Brooks - a criminal record as long as the penal code itself, only finally resulting in a conviction that sticks once they commit a HUGE crime that even the most bleeding heart activist judge can't ignore. This guy didn't get that, his judge wasn't so easily hoodwinked. They're so used to avoiding accountability that they think they're entitled to 50 second chances.
@@nothing4mepls973 Yea if a criminal has a long criminal record do you know what that ACTUALLY means? It means that the legal system has failed and allowed a DEGENERATE back onto the streets too many times. Thugs like him should ONLY have 2 charges on record before we just throw away the key once we put them in their cage.
@@willybe6427Yea you don't get to be a high level gang member in a major gang when you are new to this whole crime thing and just curious to give it a try. He's certainly got other murders under his belt too that he was just never connected to.
you think being in an environment where violence is expected and is the norm, where you are treated like an animal, wont have some sort of negative psychological effect on you? he wasnt a good dude going into jail, but in such conditions i cannot fully blame him for coming out worse
I have worked in the system for much of my adult life. I have met people who were serving a year, I have met people serving life sentences, I have met people who were arrested and released the same day. Most of them would tell me that just serving time is enough of a crime deterrent to never go back, and they don’t go back. Some of them are in county jail every other month until they eventually get sent to prison for a year or two, then they violate parole and go back to prison. Criminal justice is a complex social issue that cannot be explained away with any theory I can present here, but I will say that this guy was a violent criminal before he went in, and he turned out to be a violent criminal after getting out, despite claiming to be reformed.
Him leaving with a blonde wig on = the scene from family guy where peter is dressed as a clown during the vietnam war "they'll be looking for army guys"
He speaks like an inmate, zero reformation. The one time Josh brings on a rightfully convicted he turns out to, rightfully so, be a criminal. Go figure.
@@unnamed1479This is true and I wish more people thought this. As much as I try to hope the best for people and wish they could change for the better, I have firsthand experience with people who will never change no matter what. Once you accept that, it makes some things a lot easier.
he doesn't think he is dumb and dull lost in his own sociopathy being a kleptomaniac is just symptoms of a rotten brain! surprises me he is even capable of talking as someone less intelligent than a bird
@@user-ee1fn4vt8b to what end? He used a gun in an apartment building. Does he think no one heard a guy screaming for his life and a pair of gunshots? Dude's lucky the cops had crap response time or he never would have got the chance to put on his wig. Ok, maybe that's not that lucky.
@@jamesrule1338Yea - also he left most of the body in the apartment so he didn't even finish the job. I can only imagine what a half assed job he did of cleaning up what must have been a massive amount of blood. He should have just threw on the wig and bailed.
Only a matter of time before something like this happened. The podcast community seems to love giving space and time to former criminals, mafia bosses etc. We seem to love rewarding them for no longer being a bad person
This is literally a daily occurrence in California. One guy was arrested 3-4 times in a 24 hour period , stole cars, grand theft and was still let out just so he could hold a paraplegic lady hostage in her own apartment because god told him to come there. Even then I think he was let out after the weekend.
@@peersie9519yep. i remember when kim kardashian was advocating for a literal murderer to be taken off of death row and everyone was just going with what she said and signing petitions. of course when they put up the petitions they don’t mention that his crime was attempting to murder and burn a young couple alive in the trunk of a car. i however am not about to help someone on death row if i don’t know why they were given that sentence, and low and behold i find out his crimes were the aforementioned. and people love to say that death row should be abolished bc it’s barbaric. but i find it absolutely insane how everyone is ready to remove actual monsters from death row just because of their skintone, lets be real. no one is going to advocate and petition for dylan roof to be removed from death row, but suddenly if perp is darker we have to pretend they’re harmless and don’t deserve DR. i’m a black woman and i see through the delusion.
Around 2008 I used to work with a guy named Ross Wolfinger. One day he got to work super early at like 3 am (normal start time was 6:30) acting really weird. At lunch time, word got around that he was selling a bunch of random stuff out of his van in the parking lot. The next day the police showed up to the plant asking for all those items back. Apparently the morning before, he got into a dispute with his drug dealer, killed her with a hammer, filled her van up with stuff from her house and brought it to work. Crazy to think that I walked past that guy hours after he brutally murdered someone with a hammer. He ended up hanging himself in jail a few years ago
Not me but one of my best friends starts work at a similar time, in the winter it's still totally dark at 6ish. His (18-19 y/o) coworker comes into work a couple minutes late, frantic, talking about he's afraid he hit something on the way there but he didn't have time to stop and check. Later on the news they're trying to find someone that had hit a 65 year old guy who was just walking going like 70mph. The guy pieced it together and freaked out, left work to turn himself in. He got like 10-15 years iirc. Crazy how people can kill someone and just go right back to their normal lives, worrying about their jobs and stuff.
They got Al Capone for tax evasion. It sounds like this man was already a gang leader before he was caught for armed robbery. It may not be just in the strictest sense, but it's possible the judge was aware of many other things he was suspected of doing and took advantage of this opportunity to remove him from society for as long as possible. He certainly didn't reform while he was there.
"Reformed" xD. You know who can be reformed? A person who tried honest life, but failed at it and was forced to commit crimes for a livehood. Most of these "to be reformed" folks are not that. They are thugs that did not have a day of hones work in their life, because crime is easy money for them. Such people do not even have the mentality to handle a normal, every day job, because they are too lazy and spoiled for that. They want fast cash.
Man life must be so simple being black and white like that. Also its insane you dont think 90% of people tried to live a normal life to start out, everyone starts out that way lmfao. The actual thing to be talking about is if someone is too far gone down the rabbit hole of being mentally fucked to actually be helped.@@Sig509
I feel like it’d be kinda hard to genuinely argue you’re redeemed and a changed man while simultaneously going on a podcast to complain about the consequences of your own actions.
I wouldn't have even cared if he had 50 years is too much, that's fine, I think 25 would be more than enough but the guy went there to complain about the court being mean lmao
The unfortunate thing is that sociopathic criminals take advantage of mechanisms that exist to serve wrongfully convicted or overly punished prisoners, and then that is used as a justification to rob genuine people of their right to a second chance. They're very good at emotionally manipulating people, and that leaves the manipulated individuals feeling burned and far less willing to give people the benefit of the doubt in the future.
Adam is a moron and he couldnt even debate Joe Rogan on something Joe didnt even know anything about, like he gave several very strong opinions and couldnt defend any of them. I think your the first person iv seen actually complement him@@Redactstrength
Joe's not everyone's cup of coffee and i seldom finish his full podcast but sometimes Joe can bring that one guest who's so interesting I listened the whole thing for example : Robert Downey Jr and The Undertaker
I mean you could make the argument that it was "only two stitches", which makes it seem harmless and show us how much it can be about the framing. another way to frame it would be the following: He robbed someone and was willing to apply force doing so, maybe even willing to use lethal force if not being able to aquire his victims possesions.
We get duped when we retain the hope for redemption but lose the understanding that evil does exist. As the old saying goes, the devil's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.
I'm sick of people going "oh man, it's a shame that the (race) guy did this to his own people." Like the judge should've given him an easier sentence. The podcast group kept saying poor convict but nobody asks how the victims feel. They robbed a guy then his girlfriend with no guilt or shame and then just left feeling victorious.
So I'm not at the big reveal yet, but I gotta say... we're combining two important elements here: 1) the kind of thing that people tend to lie about - e.g. why I got fired, why my ex left me, WHY I WENT TO PRISON. 2) a podcast where the host is notorious for both not factchecking things, and factchecking things live on air but then acting like they could still be true. Soo... yeah, gonna guess that the whole "Got 50 years for two stitches" thing is a bit of a lie?
They conveniently leave this part out of his story. Buzzfeed article from 2016 (Three Sheldons) says he shot someone in the back during one of those robberies. "One by one, he tracked down his debtors and robbed them at gunpoint of their money and jewelry. When one man tried to run, he shot him in the back."
What really sucks about this is that it's a major setback for prison reform and rehabilitation. I've seen so many people swearing the concept off because of this guy. Rehabilitation is good. Our justice system is flawed, and our prisons inhumane. We need significant change.
What are we supposed to do?? If the criminals don't want to reform then that is all pointless! I've met plenty of people who actually used the resources to better their lives. You can lead a horse to water...
"One thing lead to another" is my favorite Brian Reagan joke. Adolf Hitler was an aspiring young artist, one thing lead to another...... and the USA dropped 2 atomic bombs on the nation of Japan.
i also thought this was weird so i checked wikipedia and the incident happened at 1am, apparently the neighbour waited until the MORNING to call the superintendant, who called in a wellness check after he saw the suspect leaving and entering the apartment in different clothes on the CCTV footage from the floor. least competent neighbour ever?
"he called me a menace to society" he was correct.
He is innocent!
he got framed by a blond girl!
🤣
He was only found guilty cause he was black 😅(and cause he’s a murderer)
@@LugftHuronAC💀
He murdered a prison rival - if he hadn’t been sent to prison in the first place, there wouldn’t be any rival for him to murder. it’s a real catch 22
edit: for people who might’ve got the wrong impression, this is a joke *
@@AwesometownUSA or just....ya know don't even murder prison rivals
Imagine going from convict facing 70 years, to Joe rogan guest and still letting a petty prison dispute drag you straight back to the place you escaped. Genuinely like winning the lottery just to go broke 1 year later because of bad decisions
1 year... 1 week later sounds like a more apt comparison considering he's not only going to be broke, he traded freedom for the rest of his life for something that was tickling his ego.
Being locked in prison, rivalries like that become a lot more important to your life than some dispute. It's not like having a bad interaction in the supermarket.
I really want to hear the answer to that question. Or from anyone who let's a petty dispute get to such a point. Especially road rage incidents.
Definitely not comparable to lottery winners. That’s more like athletes. You’re never taught financial literacy and then you get millions off of chance. You’re losing it because you’ve never conquered those bad spending habits.
Pro athletes, come from HS with the majority coming from middle-class families, so no one has financial literacy generally in that class or lower. And then they go to college where they are broke or have some money but financial literacy isn’t taught in school, it’s classically been generational secrets until the internet. Now, you give those same guys with no financial literacy millions of dollars. The owners of teams don’t care to kick back knowledge to their players…
It’s an endless cycle unless one is taught, or they’ve learned on their own volition, which is rare. Knowing what you should be learning, is harder than learning the thing itself.
he was top of the food chain in the gang, which means he probably killed lots of people to establish that role you don't just become a gang leader and become reformed nice guy... these type of guys dont' get reformed they just try to kill better. Using blonde wig just shows he was not a very smart pyschopath and probably got to leader status by brutal killing and grapes. seems like the judge could sense in his actions and demeanor that something was off a lot of these woke clowns lake that abilities specifically common sense.
It would be common sense not to trust a guy who is at the top leader in a gang , because you have to think how do you get there.
I’ve actually met this man and heard him speak last summer in NY. He kept getting over emotional during the speech and was lashing out at the audience like it’s our fault he ended up a felon. I got the worst vibes off this guy, it’s insane that less than a year later he’s in jail for murder.
Lol that's wild, what was he saying? Was he treating the audience like they were "society" wrongfilly imprisoning hin?
elaborate.
Interesting how you understood right there something wasn't right.
@@MattZaycYTit honestly wasnt a puzzle to make out his whole perspective is victim mentality but giving 50 years prolly just made him more in that perspective and unable to sit with remorse and instead with resent and hatred for the system. But when you robbing people violently, its up to you to fix that perspective cuz aint no one gonna do it for you, and if you realize what you did, youd also realize that everyone wants you locked up, and shit, youd even be able to reflect on that change of mindset from being a victim with no remorse to realizing the victim mentality prevents you from changing no matter how many years you get. Didnt see that self criticism in him, he spends his time focusing on prison reform like he was wrongfully convicted, rather than displaying anything about his own accountability against the odds and the importance that has as well as the system. They were sugar coating his persona, “a great human being” like the realism of critical thinking must be avoided at all times, but when you have moved on from something you did wrong in your past, you dont need people to resist negative criticism because the truth speaks for itself. If you gave changed you will naturally understand this because your empathy will remind you that your a different person now. See that confusion in a lot of people who cant admit their wrongdoings. Knew he was cap as soon as i realized that. But the biggest thing… I know what its like to lie. Havent been so truthful in my past. And been around these bad people and drugs. You can just see his baggage and numbness through his rapport and affect. Instead of enjoying his time out, he wasting it on respect. People’s trust and respect in him is obviously a big deal for him. So much so to where I GUARANTEE if you questioned his authenticity, especially as a gang member, he would lose it to the idea of people not thinking hes hard (hard as in robbing people, getting money, all the bs he should be in jail for), rather than realizing thats not the character he should uphold. He cant take accountability for the monster he became because of his ego, his skill at manipulation (being “top of the food chain”), and his inability to listen to what anyone else has to say other than himself (because no one gets it). Although some traits come to the surface unfairly (giving 50 years for 2 stitches), I am only analyzing the product and dynamic of his response to his predicament to validate his release, to see if hes changed at heart. And from what I see, he’ll kill somebody again if you let him off the hook.
Nothing insane about it, the guy is just evil.
The judge treated him like he was worthless. He treated his victims like they were..? If you are willing to kill someone for their belongings you are a menace to society, and you be excluded from society.
his color is often quite violent and worthless the judge was correct
Pertiod!
And honestly the main way the US has to try to rehabilitate people is the jail system, where this guy would go in and then maybe get drug treatment if he needed it, and get a chance to get away from a bad crowd if he was hanging out with a bad crowd. That's not necessarily treating you as if you're worthless. You did a bad thing and there are consequences for that. It only reflects on you as a person if you let it.
@@janewaysmomUS prison system does not help people. Especially those with mental and drug related problems.
His NY political buddy helped him out. Yay democrats!
shout out to the judge that gave this guy 50 years, it's a shame he didn't stay in prison
Judge on-point with calling him a menace to society. Sheldon wasn’t angry that the judge said as much, he was angry for being seen.
It's a shame that prison doesn't reform people, but generally makes them worse
You dont say..
@@daviddunn3894he just is who he’s always been. It doesn’t make them better or worse. You just are who you are.
Every single person that the Innocence Project represents is like this. They are never wrongfully convicted, they just try and set free the worst of our society
"He got hit in the head"
"He got two stitches"
"She got robbed as well"
"His jewelry got taken"
"He decided I don't count"
"He threw my life away"
"He rejected my plea deal"
"He got in a fight with my son"
"He stepped into traffic"
"He got hit by a car and he died"
This dude literally has no sense of responsibility. He just sounds like that stereotype of the prisoner intellectual who has become a genius doing nothing but pretending to follow rules all day for 25 years. Only thing missing is "gave my life to Jesus and he forgave me" 🤮🤮
Noticed that use of the passive voice immediately and wondered if anyone was going to point that out. Haven't seen the actual podcast, but if nobody corrected him during the show and just let him go on talking as if none of what happened was his responsibility, then nobody on that show deserves their platform.
Robbing numerous people with a gun. 'I got 50 years for a couple of stitches' 😂
The ones who say that stuff are always the first to shoot when it's their stuff being stolen...
@@PositiveOnly-dm3rx is that a problem?
Armed robbery is serious business dudes delusional the stitches cost him 50 years lol.
@@davisladd6473 It is when you complain about your own sentence for doing the same shit.
I'm sure the trauma is that experience lasts those people 50 years.
4:43 Love the use of passive voice here. '.. his girlfriend happened to be there, so she got caught up..' and 'he got a gun to his head', as if this is simply something that happened to her and not something they did 😂
It's like a UA-cam apology.
He needed an ukulele 😊
I said it in another comment but I'll say it here too. It's called psychological distancing. When someone has done something wrong but they don't want to admit it, they'll say things like "she was hurt" instead of "I stabbed her."
Black folk talk lacks accountability if you haven’t noticed
He sounds like a cop.
I remember that episode. Sheldon Jonson kept making remarks like “he got hit in the head,” “she got caught up in it” but never said that he was responsible. He did say he “robbed” the guy, but he totally minimized his responsibility.
Yes! I instantly stumbled over that. "He got hit in the head? No, you gigantic pos hit him." Zero accountability - one might be tempted to call him a menace to society.
Homie just single-handedly rolled back prison reform
literary discredited all of that guy's work lol
Ikr? And ppl are going to focus on this exception more because it's an entertaining story.
All by his MF self
It's easy to not go to prison.
Good
“I don’t deserve 50 years.”
You’re right. You deserve life.
💯%
*death
Not anymore. He not only showed his willingness to harm others for personal gain in his earlier life before prison but also showed how he's 100% willing to take someones life and cut up the body...... Put him under, hes like 50, he won't change.
I thought a life sentence was like 28 years?
In the joe rogan podcast be said they were senracing him with his life expectancy in the last case lmao should just stayed
50 years for two stitches?
No, 50 years for armed robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, traumatizing the victims, and years of therapy needed for victims.
Not just two stitches
The one comment i can agree with fully
Still too much in my opinion, max sentence in Portugal is 25 years, for really horrendous murders
@@bantafanta7301 so what's that supposed to mean? you have a ridiculously overly-lenient system that lets criminals off the hook too easy and back in civilization where they should't be
@@ThePowerMoves quite an emphatic statement. All of Europe is safer and happier than the US, but you're sure their system is flawed and not yours. The best systems focus on education and rehabilitation instead of long incarceration while treating convicts like slave labor.
Still not really sure that is worth 50 years. Maybe like 8 lol
In the Joe Rogan interview, he doesn't come across as remorseful or truthful. He deflects the blame onto his victims. He says that the victim's gf got caught up in his robbery, and consequently, was robbed by his friends too. Then when talking about the victim, he says the guy got hit in the head with the gun, making it sound like the guy ran into the gun with his own head. I don't agree with 50 years, but clearly, the judge saw something in this man that wasn't right.
That boy ain't right
50 years is too harsh, but maybe there should be other solutions with people like this...
50 years is one thing. How many years till parole is the question.
This x a bajillion- anyone watching that podcast that didn’t immediately walk away with the impression that Sheldon is, at the very least, walking around with extreme/persistent antisocial personality disorder, with a psychopathy bent towards extreme sociopathy wasn’t paying attention. I’ll say it again, most people will reveal their true character/intent to you almost immediately if you’re willing to pay attention. You don’t have to be a linguistic expert or have a PhD in psychology, just two ears, two eyes and a functioning brain to recognize the truth. The most skilled manipulation tactics can be a little harder to detect, but Sheldon is absolutely not in any way skilled at this. He laid bare exactly the monster he is; no empathy, no remorse, anger towards others (especially those who see through him like the judge) he’s bold, he’s disinhibited, and he’s got to have severe back pain from lugging around that oversized ego.
IMO he found a willing dupe in Dubin, and Josh needs to take a good look in the mirror and recognize that he was absolutely and completely blinded by his own narcissism.
I believe judge try to do something like "Minority Report", trying to arrest the person to not committed future possible crimes, since the judge have seen many cases and see a clear signal of a sociopath.
Anyone who tries to downplay their crimes hasn't learned anything and feels no remorse.
If someone does a crime & does not realise that it’s bad &/or feels no remorse they should not be let out
In general I agree with this sentiment as a ex-con myself.... But, fuck anyone who carries that sentiment into drugs. I got 8 years for sellin weed earlier in life. Victimless crime. It's a crime and I still feel no remorse on a moral level. Fuckin bullshit
@@gmbane384exactly which is why this criminal justice porn in the comments needs to stop.
If you don't like what someone did and want to punish them so be it but you have to call out what they did specifically you can't just say they committed a crime
@avus-kw2f213 😂😂😂😂. Go tell that to the jews
@@gmbane384some drugs. If you're selling heroin or meth that's not victimless. Weed is though 💯
He was a serial armed robber whose 25-year sentence was on the conviction of attempted murder. It's absolutely baffling that Rogan thought it wise to have this guy on the podcast at all.
Apparently he just has a commitment to the innocence project and has this guy on a few times a year to support them. My understanding is this guy josh just brings someone and goes over the story but I think it's usually overturned convictions. That's probably why he felt the need to flat out acknowledge this guys guilt in the introduction. Not to minimize his responsibility, I just doubt he looks into it at all. I'd be absolutely furious with that guy though.
Rogans a stoner and of sub optimal intelligence
Rogan's whole career is platforming morons, bigots, scammers and white nationalists for views. Bread and circuses for the hoi polloi is his whole brand.
We need to ban rogan. Dude sucks
@@squakke Yeah this. What's so baffling about this lmao
"He called me a menace to society."
He was indeed a menace society.
Narrated by Morgan Freeman's voice 😂
“He was indeed a menace society”
You copy and pasted the other guys comment and changed a word or 2. Why do you need likes on youtube so badly?
@@Connor-zz8zf Who cares?
@@Connor-zz8zf Mf stfu. This is the most generic thought/comment anybody could come up with that came to mind after I watched the video. I don't even know what comment you're referencing that you're accusing me of copying.
the woman is just collateral damage and gets glossed over, even passively blamed. "she found herself involved".
Maybe next time she'll think before she finds herself being robbed
why do I feel like this isn't even far off from something this guy would say? "she needs to surround herself with better people" "I hope she chooses a better partner next time" or some other such bullshit @@sambmortimer
_viewers that like Joe Rogan also liked this_
@@sambmortimerto be fair, she probably shouldn't be involving herself with a hard drug dealer. The robbery was over a cocaine deal.
@@geometerfpv2804not a stretch for a drug trafficker to be a human trafficker too.
1st charge....gun possession
2nd charge....armed robbery
3rd charge....murder
Seems like this progression could have been stopped.
That's a fallacious argument.
Seems like a judge tried to stop it.
@@DankSwegSkuxxXhayelWhich fallacy
@@DankSwegSkuxxXhayelno
Should've let him walk to see how wild it would get
I noticed in his initial story he uses a ton of passive voice, which, when you've come to term with the wrongs you've done, shouldn't happen. Like "his girlfriend found herself involved..." "he was hit by the gun..." Not, "I/we held up his girlfriend..." "I/we hit him with the gun..."
Like Neil Armstrong in his interviews?
@@theself5382what has Neil Armstrong done wrong?
Lance?@@theself5382
It's called psychological distancing. When someone has done something wrong but they don't want to admit it, they'll say things like "she was hurt" instead of "I stabbed her."
I'm glad you brought this up. Someone that can't bring themselves to say "I did that," is someone who isn't holding themselves accountable for their own actions. It's disrespectful to the victims for him to try to play it off like he did.
I think being a murderer is quite evil
Or at least a real jerk..
Extremely hot take
why? people are shit and theres too many
True, some nuance, but overall the mere idea of taking a life is an evil action, even if done for 'good' reasons. Gypsy rose for example, or war when a soldier kills another soldier. Those are still 'evil' acts.
Nah the man is an animal
His disguise with the blonde wig looks like the "Reese Witherspoon" character on the Eric Andre Show
We''ll Be Right Back
You’re making a god damned mess, Reese. Here, play these spoons for me.
I thought it was andre 3000, on the key and peele skit
I had to look this up lol and your not wrong
I got a Snoop Dog vibe but okay
People love rooting for the underdog. Sometimes the underdog is just a scumbag though, and he ends up at the bottom because he deserves to be there.
Let get intouch now
Movies
Kind of like how the west is rooting for Hamas
@michaelscott70 100%. Rooting for those pieces of shits is just insanity…..
More often than not
This dude even said in his interview that if being good doesn't work out he could always go back to being bad. I think that was the biggest indicator right there he didn't give a fuck about spending 25 years in prison.
Deadass nobody who genuinely wants to turn their life around talks about going back to their past
That type of mentality already sets you up for failure. It's like saying if I don't enjoy dieting I'll just go buy another Big Mac combo.
@@SumkneegrowA bit different because there’s cheat days in dieting, but I think most people should understand your point.
@@Prodigi50 so we could say this guy just had a cheat day
@@SumkneegrowIt was a few dismembered limbs, not really a big deal
The way he said, ‘she got hit by the gun’ instead of I hit her with the gun was a giveaway too
"Might be"
😂
I think it's pretty clear that the loser IS evil.
It's because he hasn't been convicted for the new one yet.
Allegedly, as it were.
I’m wondering if the ”might” is to prevent himself from making a libelous statement or to drive click traffic. I think it’s the latter, I’m much more interested if it’s an open question than just hearing a sanctimonious rant.
He probably thought he could head to one of his aunt’s cribs and borrow some makeup and one of her blonde wigs and tell her that he needs a place to stay and he’d be safe for days if he shaved his legs with Renee’s razor blades
@@JimbobfromoklahomaI was thinking that, but “evil” is such a generic adjective/pejorative like “mean” or “dumb” that I don’t know if it can be considered libel/slander if it’s not a noun/claim like “murderer” that- even with evidence- has to be stated as speculated. That being said, I’m sure Coffee is just being safe and doing his due diligence
OK, the wig is fascinating. It doesn't work as a disguise; it doesn't conceal any identifiable part of him - e.g. his face; and it draws *massively* more attention to him and what he might be doing than if he'd just not worn a wig at all.
I think the reason for this, and the reason why he went on Joe Rogan, might be that Sheldon is not very smart.
No he's a future rocket scientist what are you talking about
He actually wore like 3 different disguises which was one of the things the neighbors found so suspicious about him (aside from the fact that he kept going in and out with a key and didn't live there). And then he left most of the body parts in the dude's freezer anyway for the cops to find in the apartment... so hardworking and smart, both.
@@bubba99009 And the cops allegedly found Sheldon in the apartment with the victim's body parts, so he made it even easier for them to link him to the crime.. I'd love to see his lawyer's face when they see him in that security footage. Bet he didn't realise how good CCTV cameras got over the 25 years he was locked up.
"unfortunately his girlfriend came into the room and I just had to rob her too like I had no other choice" bro what are you talking about lmao
"I had a whole nation under me" the dude could not have said it in a more menacing and braggadocios way
Hitler if he survived to be trialled for war crimes
Never seen the word braggadocios ever written out 😂
He probably wanted to go back to prison to remain in charge of a whole nation. Free life probably seems like a downgrade for him
@@yannjoanno6933braggadocious is the right spelling.
Trump?
He turned his life round alright full 360 !
360 back into the slammer
@@mark463hate to be that guy but if he was leaving the slammer and did a 360 he would still be leaving the slammer
Bro turned a little too much 😂
@@COOPERJAMESOnot if you operate under the assumption that the starting point was prison. Then he 360’d back to prison
@@samuelcarlson1012 this… changes… everything…
This guy has the mind of a child. To shout, “I’m innocent” after being caught literally red handed is so unbelievable considering all of the public speaking he did talking about how he was given too much time. The judge was right.
the blond wig might've worked in 480p... but not in 4K.
Born too early to blame AI, born too late to blame the pixels. We live in a golden age.
Dude still thinks this is the 90s
@@raiden72 😂😂😂
I'm watching in 144p and it still looks like him
"Thank God we got penitentiaries. I asked this dude, "Why did you kill everybody in the house?" The guy said, "They was home."
Richard Pryor
fucking loved that joke 😂
This is extremely bad for prison reform advacates and innocence project. This case will be referenced by judges for a long time as a cautionary tale for them to not go easy on people tbey see as a threat no matter how much advocacy the convicted person has.
Good, people making bank of their previous criminal activity should not be believed at face value.
@Munisk52 yeah I think you're right there.
Well fuck prison reform advocates and the innocence project till someone proved they are completely innocent from aforementioned crime they don’t deserve shit as a suspect also why should you give mercy to people who don’t care about harming others like it’s not a wrong doing
@@kfork814 its not a crime if a liberal is the victim
Assault with a deadly weapon, grand theft, organized crime... like, maybe not 50 years but yikes, not freedom. Agree with the 'should have still been in jail' comment.
soft people shouldnt have a voice...
How do you envision him still being in jail while criticizing his sentence. If his sentence was shorter he would not be in jail until he committed another crime
@@jcormso he was released after 49 years and 364 days?
Don't forget that this was the same man who said he used to grape white girls on a podcast with his whole chest.
Its hard to say, but whats ussually done is that there's a whole huge list of modifiers to determine the suggested sentance for a crime. Things like a repeated history of crimes, multiple crimes commited in a short period, and the relative severity of crimes as well as how the person has acted since they got arrested / in court all can affect the suggested prison sentance. Theres also the thing of concurrent vs consecutive sentances, sometimes commiting multiple crimes has a concurrent sentance, where 5, 2 year sentances are served concurrently results in spending only 2 years in jail. Consecutive sentances are one after the other, so 5, 2 year sentances consecutively are 10 years in jail.
Im not a lawyer, but im willing to bet he wasnt given 50 years for a single crime, but numerous consecutive sentances that added up to 5p years. So armed robbery might get 2 years each, agravated assault 5 years, exc.
"He called me a menace to society"
Narrator sounding like Freeman
"And it turned out he was"
😂
So is freeman
Ay lmao
Solid comment. I heard that too in his Shawshank voice
lmao golden comment
The family of his latest victim should sue the Innocence Project.
Great idea, ill sign a petition for them.
I absolutely lost all respect for the innocence project when they tried to release Julius Jones with a whole lot of deception, lies and race baiting. It was honestly incredibly infuriating to see what TIP said and then learn the truth about the whole case. Even when they got an extra DNA test (that AGAIN proved Julius Jones was guilty), they kept trying to release him. They don't really care about releasing innocent people.
@@Sentinelllwow that’s insane…
Not to conspiracy bait- but we’ve all heard of the fema ~ “offer violent offending criminals a reduced sentence or even a cleared sentence for agreement to join private military training operations” ~ thing, right?
This couldn’t be somehow, someway, wrapped up in all that, could it? 🤔
(I don’t do the conspiracy stuff, I don’t research stuff or watch the news anymore- too damn stressful. But who knows, it’s all one big sweater, connected by the same threads? 🤷)
I had a coworker that I used to drive to work and he would always talk about how he’s gonna do good things and succeed despite his past. He disappeared eventually and 2 years later I found out that 2 weeks before I met him he robbed and murdered someone as well. I drove around with a murderer. It’s crazy how evil and guiltless people can be.
That reminds me of a song. I cant think of the name.
@@tukek88that’s a great song!
Was it a "jury" taker
@@tukek88 it's Sandstorm by Darude
This isn’t really your point but people that need to constantly convince themselves and other people that they will succeed in life are fighting demons.
Just be successful no need to talk about it
Their narrative of "2 stitches" is insane. Imagine the trauma for the rest of your life after being held at gunpoint and pistol whipped.
No trauma, been robbed twice at gun point. Could’ve been worse
@@practicallyhigh4740lol bro stay away from blacks. Why are you getting robbed so much.
My mom was robbed at knife point and she alright. Not as traumatizing as you’d think. It’s still not fun tho
@@dannydanumbaVery personal, not everybody will take it as well. And neither did she, most likely, just putting up a strong face for her bitch of a son.
To be fair the guy they robbed wasn't just some random guy on the street - it was a guy who owed him money from what I recall.
As someone who doesn’t wanna be robbed 50 years sounds about right
The judge had a very good intuition that this guy was a criminal psychopath.
That's not the judge's job though, it's the criminal psychologist who does that. The judge interprets the law.
we could be seeing the effects of institutionalization, would he really have cut a guys head off without that 25 years ? We'll never really know
@@roboticunclephili hope you’re being satirical
@@laer.393 you think doing 25 years makes you come out a good person ?
@@roboticunclephil in some cases. all about the individual really.
Redemption isn't a destination. It's a journey.
Life isn't a destination. It's a journey. (Destination = Death).
I like this
No no, redemption isn’t a sprint, it’s a marathon.
Life is an illusion caused by death.
well-articulated speech pattern friend
RIP Josh Dubin's stamp of approval
Dude brushed off robbery + pistol whipping like he spilled coffee on the guy
This guy just ruined Josh’s ability to persuade people that the system is corrupt. Josh lost all credibility because of this man.
Josh lost all respect and credibility when he decided to bring this menace on and claim he's "an innocent human being"
How do we demonstrate that the system is corrupt? I know! Let's bring on a guy that 100% should have gone to prison and should still be in there. Genius!
@kingsadvisor18 you just got to remember human nature. We are all humans and make mistakes. But I get it, idk how some people just believe ppl bc of how they talk... it seems to me that people like calm people no matter what they are doing 😅
Josh Dubin should be sued and disbarred from practicing law
He got 50 years not for two stitches but because by his own admission, he was at the top of his gang, not just any gangster. You give a guy 50 years like that you can't expect him to act like a normal person after leaving too soon...
There was zero remorse in how he recounted that story. He still sounded angry and showed no remorse for also harming the innocent girlfriend. Then, he BRAGGED about his place in the crime world. Like...this guy has recitivism written all over him. Speaking as a black person myself, yes, I know that harsher sentences have a precendent of being given to non-violent or less violent crimes to black and brown people, but it seems the judge knew what he was doing.
This wasn't a case of needing to make an example out of this guy or that a black person has to be harsher to other blacks to avoid accusations of a bias from white peers. If this guy already had a criminal past and just hadn't been caught for some of it, and only due to luck had someone not been killed previously, this man was a ticking time bomb. Sadly, that bomb still went off, even after being in jail. He's proven he's a career criminal and is too dangerous to be on the streets. I hope this time, he's given something like life without parole.
This is a common thread amongst the Innocence Fraud Project. That's who got him out of jail. Most of the killers they represent are 100% guilty but they are an anti-prison/anti-death penalty advocacy group.
Not only did he show no remorse, he barely took any accountability for his actions. He kept using language like "she got caught up in it", "he got hit", and "he got roughed up", as if it was just a force of nature that caused these things to happen. A remorseful and accountable person would say "I hit him and I'm sorry I did that". He said nothing even close to that. The only thing he admitted was doing the robbery which he justified because the guy owed him drug money. Even that was probably a lie because who gives away 5k worth of drugs without demanding payment right then and there? That's now how drug deals usually work. I can't believe Rogan listened to this guy's BS and didn't immediately call him out on it.
@@JohnDoe-uq2qd I mean...Rogan is full of BS himself, so...not surprising he didn't call the guy out, lol.
@JohnDoe-uq2qd he said "took his jury" .. case closed. Criminal scum.
yeah bro I remember listening to this shit and getting a real bad vibe from homie
"Free my dawg he didnt do nothin wrong"
The dawg in question:
One thing that stuck out to me that happens a lot in modern day is that he mentioned that the judge was “African American.” As if because he shares a skin color with you means anything. He said it in a tone like he was being betrayed by him. That mentality is so crazy to me because as a mixed person raised by my white adoptive parents, I was taught not to see people by their skin color and that just because someone is the same color as you, doesn’t mean they have your best interests or that you should automatically trust them.
He said it in order to clarify that it wasn’t a strictly racist over-sentencing bc that was the obvious follow up
Be thankful you weren’t raised by black parents
I can't speak for Dubin directly but gonna go out on a limb and say it had something to do with the role race plays in the criminal justice system lol
Keep trucking bro. People who don't want to help themselves will always look outward for blame
He thought “you’re black like me. You should hate the justice system and the police. You need to release me or you not a brotha”
“Turns out he got hit with the gun” 😅
The immediate red flag for me watching the clips in this video was that he mentioned the result of what sounds like an assault (2 stitches) but didn't go into what he was actually charged with. It's like, what if someone gets life and didn't kill anyone, only to find out they were found guilty of conspiracy to murder.
My grandfather wrote me a letter for my 16th or 17th birthday that read something similar. "Only give friends 2 strikes because a third is soon to follow"😮
Al Capone was just a simple tax evader. 😂
The charge was attempted murder.
Dumb Psychopaths are so funny, bro thought he became Courtney from Charter Hills Country Club
That judge is probably thinking “I told you all”
The first sentence he got was way too much, the mere thought of preemptive punishment screams of god complex
@@owlmostdead9492 not if that loser had a previous record. Severe punishments are never handed to people without previous record (unless it is a violet, and obvious crime)
@@Sig509 It would still be preemptive punishment and therefore insane, there is a reason why the FBI needs to wait for the actual deal to happen before apprehending someone in a bust.
@@owlmostdead9492 it was perfectly appropriate as evinced by present facts.
@@tukek88 another one thinks he can see the future, does god speak to you as well?
Leaving the crime scene "White Chicks" style LOL
Shouldn’t have ever let him out. If I was the family of his last victim I would sue the judge for ever letting him out.
Joe really needs to stop giving all his guests DMT.
Finally we can agree joe is a problem himself. Use to look up to him and now he brings guests that are racist and spread misinformatiom.He replies “if it is true, then it makes sense” which his way of saying “This guy is BS” to the guest.He has become no better than news channel who does not care about the truth.He could have at least question the wild racist & misinformation statement the guest has spouted.Yet he remain in silent.
@@imanzulkarnaian8528it’s not joe Rogans job to tell you how to think, he has people with differing opinions and pretty much shuts up and let’s them talk. Most of the time he just lets people rants and that’s what makes it good.
well don't stop giving them dmt
@@13illyxmazewell, he can also invite people that is an actual criminal just to make a self-justification...
What is more dangerous is not the opinion, it is the platform for them to say it
Oh, and also I even heard that he is no longer liberal
Tho the reasons are still unknown to me...
If anyone care to explain please do 😊
Man tried to escape on some scooby doo shet
😂
“In hindsight the judge was right.” Had me dead af
And one more thing did they assume because the judge was black he was supposed to have some sort of sympathy for another black man? Even if he is a criminal? They assume the judge should give him a pass because they are the same skin colour?
Love how he brought that up
Not that race should matter but I think that was done to diffuse the idea that he was sentenced to 50 years based on race.
@@antonforeit7144 ya,its ridiculous that it was even brought up
This is a great example of someone being genuinely racist. "he, you'd think the black judge would help the black criminal!" lol It's insane how racist some of these people get away with being as long as it's in a certain context.
@@devonboyer626 totally man well said
"I committed a violent crime with my friends in which one of my victims ONLY needed a few stitches. Why is the judge such a dick? I'm sooooo opwessed."
Perfect😂
While I agree in some aspects what about the fact most people get away with way worse for almost no time but he robbed someone and got 50 years isn't that crazy
@bleath2111 he threatened to kill these people and pointed guns in they face. As he happily admits: he is the leader of a criminal organization. He is a repeat offender. He is COMPLETELY unrepentant: he had 25 years to think it over yet he still thinks he was justified and he didn't do anything wrong. Clearly the Judge was correct, because he went on to mur dah
Imagine being this guys lawyer
Clearly this all the white man fault
He’s half white, btw. ToJosh dubin stating the black judge threw away a black man … come on …
"it was only my 2nd offense" shouldn't even be a defense, that's already a red flag. I'm all in for giving people 2nd chances but not 3...
Of the same crime loll It's one thing to rob someone but with a gun in hand then it becomes an entire different situation
2nd offense = 2nd time caught.
I doubt he was a rookie..
For people like him, that's actually quite a short rap sheet. Gangstas and thugs think they deserve to be like Darrel Brooks - a criminal record as long as the penal code itself, only finally resulting in a conviction that sticks once they commit a HUGE crime that even the most bleeding heart activist judge can't ignore. This guy didn't get that, his judge wasn't so easily hoodwinked.
They're so used to avoiding accountability that they think they're entitled to 50 second chances.
@@nothing4mepls973 Yea if a criminal has a long criminal record do you know what that ACTUALLY means? It means that the legal system has failed and allowed a DEGENERATE back onto the streets too many times. Thugs like him should ONLY have 2 charges on record before we just throw away the key once we put them in their cage.
@@willybe6427Yea you don't get to be a high level gang member in a major gang when you are new to this whole crime thing and just curious to give it a try. He's certainly got other murders under his belt too that he was just never connected to.
Next they’ll say prison time caused him to murder this man.
100% some will
The prison evironment really doesn't help with learning how to be a better person.
@@spht9ngmost people who end in prison are unsaveable. It's not the prisons fault that it's releasing psychopaths.
you think being in an environment where violence is expected and is the norm, where you are treated like an animal, wont have some sort of negative psychological effect on you? he wasnt a good dude going into jail, but in such conditions i cannot fully blame him for coming out worse
I have worked in the system for much of my adult life. I have met people who were serving a year, I have met people serving life sentences, I have met people who were arrested and released the same day. Most of them would tell me that just serving time is enough of a crime deterrent to never go back, and they don’t go back. Some of them are in county jail every other month until they eventually get sent to prison for a year or two, then they violate parole and go back to prison. Criminal justice is a complex social issue that cannot be explained away with any theory I can present here, but I will say that this guy was a violent criminal before he went in, and he turned out to be a violent criminal after getting out, despite claiming to be reformed.
its like he went on the joe rogan show to show people he would never murder that guy he had already planned to murder
Him leaving with a blonde wig on = the scene from family guy where peter is dressed as a clown during the vietnam war "they'll be looking for army guys"
He speaks like an inmate, zero reformation. The one time Josh brings on a rightfully convicted he turns out to, rightfully so, be a criminal. Go figure.
some people can't be reformed.
@@unnamed1479 Truth to that, sooner people learn this the less hurt we can have in our world.
@@unnamed1479This is true and I wish more people thought this. As much as I try to hope the best for people and wish they could change for the better, I have firsthand experience with people who will never change no matter what. Once you accept that, it makes some things a lot easier.
You always hear "I went to prison for a petty crime, and that's where I learned to be a criminal" environment makes you who you are.
most of those so called wrongfully convicted turns out they rightfully belonged in prison
Did he treat his victims "like they mattered"? I wonder if those stitches made them feel valued.
The blonde wig was just to humilate himself😂what was he thinking
Why did he go back in the first place? I don't want to give would be criminals any advice, but once a crime is committed you're supposed to run.
he doesn't think
he is dumb and dull
lost in his own sociopathy
being a kleptomaniac is just symptoms of a rotten brain! surprises me he is even capable of talking as someone less intelligent than a bird
@@jamesrule1338He was cleaning up the body. Logistics man.
@@user-ee1fn4vt8b to what end? He used a gun in an apartment building. Does he think no one heard a guy screaming for his life and a pair of gunshots? Dude's lucky the cops had crap response time or he never would have got the chance to put on his wig. Ok, maybe that's not that lucky.
@@jamesrule1338Yea - also he left most of the body in the apartment so he didn't even finish the job. I can only imagine what a half assed job he did of cleaning up what must have been a massive amount of blood. He should have just threw on the wig and bailed.
Only a matter of time before something like this happened. The podcast community seems to love giving space and time to former criminals, mafia bosses etc. We seem to love rewarding them for no longer being a bad person
This is literally a daily occurrence in California. One guy was arrested 3-4 times in a 24 hour period , stole cars, grand theft and was still let out just so he could hold a paraplegic lady hostage in her own apartment because god told him to come there. Even then I think he was let out after the weekend.
Carlin said it best, America loves a second act 😂😂😅
Dude the wig is him thinking he's smarter than everyone else
Wakanda Forever
If this "civil rights" attorney is helping people like this?! How many people did he help that were ACTUALLY GUILTY!!???!
Most people that the innocence project help are guilty. As soon as you do a little digging it becomes obvious.
The innocence project is a sham and it’s a shame they get headlines over people who could actually do good.
@@peersie9519That’s blatantly untrue, and it only takes a little digging to make that obvious.
Likely not many. It’s exceedingly difficult to overturn a conviction, so the grounds for exoneration are as stringent as could be.
@@peersie9519yep. i remember when kim kardashian was advocating for a literal murderer to be taken off of death row and everyone was just going with what she said and signing petitions. of course when they put up the petitions they don’t mention that his crime was attempting to murder and burn a young couple alive in the trunk of a car. i however am not about to help someone on death row if i don’t know why they were given that sentence, and low and behold i find out his crimes were the aforementioned. and people love to say that death row should be abolished bc it’s barbaric. but i find it absolutely insane how everyone is ready to remove actual monsters from death row just because of their skintone, lets be real. no one is going to advocate and petition for dylan roof to be removed from death row, but suddenly if perp is darker we have to pretend they’re harmless and don’t deserve DR. i’m a black woman and i see through the delusion.
I’m sure he’s still blaming everyone but himself for the situation he’s in. The judge was spot on.
Fking hell, he just damaged ALL that program Josh does work for.
Josh a grifter anyway
Around 2008 I used to work with a guy named Ross Wolfinger. One day he got to work super early at like 3 am (normal start time was 6:30) acting really weird. At lunch time, word got around that he was selling a bunch of random stuff out of his van in the parking lot. The next day the police showed up to the plant asking for all those items back. Apparently the morning before, he got into a dispute with his drug dealer, killed her with a hammer, filled her van up with stuff from her house and brought it to work. Crazy to think that I walked past that guy hours after he brutally murdered someone with a hammer. He ended up hanging himself in jail a few years ago
Not me but one of my best friends starts work at a similar time, in the winter it's still totally dark at 6ish. His (18-19 y/o) coworker comes into work a couple minutes late, frantic, talking about he's afraid he hit something on the way there but he didn't have time to stop and check. Later on the news they're trying to find someone that had hit a 65 year old guy who was just walking going like 70mph. The guy pieced it together and freaked out, left work to turn himself in. He got like 10-15 years iirc. Crazy how people can kill someone and just go right back to their normal lives, worrying about their jobs and stuff.
@@roboticunclephilI don’t condone his actions, but I’ll at least give him credit for turning himself in when he put 2 and 2 together.
Sounds like a decent fella
The worst type of coworker
They got Al Capone for tax evasion. It sounds like this man was already a gang leader before he was caught for armed robbery. It may not be just in the strictest sense, but it's possible the judge was aware of many other things he was suspected of doing and took advantage of this opportunity to remove him from society for as long as possible. He certainly didn't reform while he was there.
I want to respond to this but youtube deletes my comments immediatly because I cant say ca****l p**ish***t
He a psychopath. He hoodwinked and lied about “his transformation” to get a reduced sentence and get out of prison.
Judge was right in this case. Unfortunately judges also do this with people who can be reformed. We need to take a step back and study what works.
Well put
Yeah, there are plenty of people who can be reformed. Unfortunately there are a lot less who are willing to be reformed. That's the issue.
"Reformed" xD. You know who can be reformed? A person who tried honest life, but failed at it and was forced to commit crimes for a livehood. Most of these "to be reformed" folks are not that. They are thugs that did not have a day of hones work in their life, because crime is easy money for them. Such people do not even have the mentality to handle a normal, every day job, because they are too lazy and spoiled for that. They want fast cash.
@delxinogaming6046 you realize the black dude was just found w a body in his apartment right?
Man life must be so simple being black and white like that. Also its insane you dont think 90% of people tried to live a normal life to start out, everyone starts out that way lmfao. The actual thing to be talking about is if someone is too far gone down the rabbit hole of being mentally fucked to actually be helped.@@Sig509
I feel like it’d be kinda hard to genuinely argue you’re redeemed and a changed man while simultaneously going on a podcast to complain about the consequences of your own actions.
I wouldn't have even cared if he had 50 years is too much, that's fine, I think 25 would be more than enough but the guy went there to complain about the court being mean lmao
It’s simple. Don’t rob people. Don’t go to prison for 50 years.
The judge absolutely factored in the fact that he was a gang leader, and he probably had a rap sheet as long as my arm
Two stiches sounds like its nothing until you think about the mental damage being robbed will do to you.
The amount of people I've seen say "it's not that traumatizing" here is disappointing. As if everybody has the same reaction to the same thing.
It also wasn’t just two stitches. He hit them with a gun and robbed them with a group of people. He got attempted murder.
The blonde wig reminds me of when Randy dressed like Princess Leia to steal the light speed molecule from the super hadron collider.
The unfortunate thing is that sociopathic criminals take advantage of mechanisms that exist to serve wrongfully convicted or overly punished prisoners, and then that is used as a justification to rob genuine people of their right to a second chance. They're very good at emotionally manipulating people, and that leaves the manipulated individuals feeling burned and far less willing to give people the benefit of the doubt in the future.
Coffeezilla is the best JRE guest since the Joey Diaz era.
(I’ve never watched Joe Rogan…)
Naw Adam Ruins Everything is the goat
Adam is a moron and he couldnt even debate Joe Rogan on something Joe didnt even know anything about, like he gave several very strong opinions and couldnt defend any of them. I think your the first person iv seen actually complement him@@Redactstrength
@@Redactstrengthhis episode might be the worst one. He's an annoying pretentious idiot
@@RedactstrengthLMFAOOOO
Joe's not everyone's cup of coffee and i seldom finish his full podcast but sometimes Joe can bring that one guest who's so interesting I listened the whole thing for example : Robert Downey Jr and The Undertaker
I mean you could make the argument that it was "only two stitches", which makes it seem harmless and show us how much it can be about the framing.
another way to frame it would be the following:
He robbed someone and was willing to apply force doing so, maybe even willing to use lethal force if not being able to aquire his victims possesions.
He was a business man doing business! Why are the courts so corrupt?! The Matrix was out ot get him!
Just like trump!😂😂😂
The government is trying to oppress my fellow dismembered body part deliverers smh
@@JohnJohnson67851billionaire living rent free in some people head 😂
We get duped when we retain the hope for redemption but lose the understanding that evil does exist. As the old saying goes, the devil's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.
intellectual jargon and ultimately partial in truth
^😂
@@jakeisall1284 I find your comment shallow and pedantic
@@jakeisall1284im gonna probe you
The devil doesn’t exist. The evil of this planet is by human hands alone….
He should've done the whole 50 years. But that's cool. Now he'll never get out.
As a black guy why would you buy a blonde wig for a disguise? 😂
He had a lot of movies to catch up on and apparently he made it to White Chicks.
@@ziggybender9125😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@ziggybender9125That's so fucking funny
He was paying homage to the creator of Dragon Ballz. 😅
He loved IGOR
“This miracle to my right”
🤦🏻♂️ I know, right?
being beaten and robbed is traumatizing, the victims most likely had ptsd and trust issues for a while.
Bro should have stayed all 50. And then some.
I'm sick of people going "oh man, it's a shame that the (race) guy did this to his own people." Like the judge should've given him an easier sentence. The podcast group kept saying poor convict but nobody asks how the victims feel. They robbed a guy then his girlfriend with no guilt or shame and then just left feeling victorious.
He’s lookin like ET in that wig
Judge dancing in front of his fireplace with a glass of wine singing “Vindication”.
So I'm not at the big reveal yet, but I gotta say... we're combining two important elements here:
1) the kind of thing that people tend to lie about - e.g. why I got fired, why my ex left me, WHY I WENT TO PRISON.
2) a podcast where the host is notorious for both not factchecking things, and factchecking things live on air but then acting like they could still be true.
Soo... yeah, gonna guess that the whole "Got 50 years for two stitches" thing is a bit of a lie?
They conveniently leave this part out of his story. Buzzfeed article from 2016 (Three Sheldons) says he shot someone in the back during one of those robberies.
"One by one, he tracked down his debtors and robbed them at gunpoint of their money and jewelry. When one man tried to run, he shot him in the back."
That and his son tried robbing someone who then ran into the road and got killed. He did 18 months in juvie
What really sucks about this is that it's a major setback for prison reform and rehabilitation. I've seen so many people swearing the concept off because of this guy. Rehabilitation is good. Our justice system is flawed, and our prisons inhumane. We need significant change.
Intransigent recidivists require such things. Listen to the stuff Charleston White has said about prison. Some people need it.
What are we supposed to do?? If the criminals don't want to reform then that is all pointless! I've met plenty of people who actually used the resources to better their lives. You can lead a horse to water...
"Caught up in the situation" is a chain of words that mean nothing in court. At least on its own.
"One thing lead to another" is my favorite Brian Reagan joke. Adolf Hitler was an aspiring young artist, one thing lead to another...... and the USA dropped 2 atomic bombs on the nation of Japan.
He was actually working as a maid as a side gig, hence the wig and the cleaning supplies.
So the neighbors heard a guy plead for his life, and the gunshots. Yet the killer has time to make trips in and out of the apartment?
i also thought this was weird so i checked wikipedia and the incident happened at 1am, apparently the neighbour waited until the MORNING to call the superintendant, who called in a wellness check after he saw the suspect leaving and entering the apartment in different clothes on the CCTV footage from the floor.
least competent neighbour ever?