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- Doctor Who came under a little fire with introduction of Ncuti Gatwa's doctor.
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Quite a few of you understood _exactly_ what I was trying to convey in this video, but it seems as though the main point went over the heads of many, and that's probably my fault. I should have presented my thoughts in a more coherent manner.
I incorporated Miss Princess's perspective, and tried to refrain from extensive cuts or edits to preserve the context of her words. This also serves to showcase how members of the community are perceiving diversity.
To put my point in the video succinctly, when studio executives make _everything_ about race and diversity instead of focusing on a good story, it encourages a mindset of scrutinizing everything they do through that lens. This can lead to playing into stereotypes that might not be a that big of a deal if not for the constant focus on race, forcing viewers to interpret EVERYTHING through that specific perspective.
I also try to point out, using their OWN logic, how they end up reinforcing negative stereotypes for ethnicities while CLAIMING to be progressive simply because they tokenize 'diverse' characters.
Another better example of this is what they did with Davros and the whole wheelchair incident, along with what Russell T Davies said about wheelchair users being associated with villains because less than a handful of villains _happen_ to be in wheelchairs, which is ridiculous.
That was the central theme of the video, and I apologize if it was lost on many. I understand that my cheekiness might go over some people's heads, especially since many of you don't know me. However, this was a valuable conversation, and I gained a lot of perspective from different people. I love that!
I appreciate that we can have a discussion about something like this and get different viewpoints.🥹 I understand that not everyone may agree with individuals like Miss Princess. Personally, I don't know her, and the video in question is the only one I've watched from her. However, _just_ because her viewpoints may not align with your own doesn't mean that everything she expresses should be disregarded. There might be instances where she is right, and some where she is wrong, just as there are instances where I or WE might be right or wrong.
It's important for us to remember that we are unique and different, and growth comes from actively listening and finding common ground.
It instills a strong sense of pride in me that most of you have been very civil and open in your feedback, whether you agree with me or not. It genuinely warms my heart to have you as my audience. I am honored that you feel safe enough and brave enough to challenge me on my views, even if we don't agree.
I've learned a lot, and I hope we can continue learning from each other and continue having these discussions. 🥰
@Alteori >>> 👍👍
I'm glad you noticed this trend too. I think it's also weird how progressives like to use the twofer-token minority trope. If a character is black, they must be gay or trans now. Sometimes it's done to the point of having unfortunate implications like "all black women are gay because they're so masculine, obviously." It's fine when used sparingly, but it's starting to get overdone.
Precisely my point! If people didn't focus so much on ethnicity and trying to bend over backwards to focus on it, they wouldn't end up under the microscope when pertaining to the portrayal of certain groups.
@@Alteori 20:08 Why did you choose THAT picture of Mark and Anissa? :D
How about no token characters at all?
russel t davis literally basically stated "i took away davros' wheelcahir, because when i saw davros in a wheelchair i automatically assumed all disabled people were evil."
And treated fans or those who had concerns like they were to him "threats" and acted like a man-child throwing a adult temper-tantrum on social media.
@@retromeister3709Russell certainly has the ableism of low expectations.
Wokeness makes people really dim-witted 😅
@@AscendantStoic To say their dim-witted is offensive to those who are. Woke just turns them into egotistical, ignorant and narcissistic.
@retromeister3709 If you are dim-witted due to circumstances outside of your control you are blameless, but if you CHOOSE to act dim-witted like all SJWs do, then you deserve to be ridiculed and made fun of...simple as.
Re: the two shirts thing, it seemes pretty clear to me that the clothing got evenly split between them, Tennant is wearing an undershirt, Ncuti got the real shirt. Ncuti got the underwear, Tennant is going full commando in those pants.
The "disposable black boyfriend" is such a leading statement about a character.
Him being considered disposable has NOTHING to do with race, it's something that is being tagged on to legitimise a claim of racism.
The claims of Martha being treated badly is bollocks as well, all of the female companions have become smitten with and then been dismissed by the doctor. Her being black has nothing to do with it.
Everyone is so quick to call for diversity but then get offended the second "their guy" has to play a role other than the attractive perfect hero who always wins.
Real diversity means anyone can be anything, even a cowardly man who doesn't appreciate his girlfriend or a naive woman who falls for someone who could never reciprocate those feelings.
And yes, even an evil man in a "wheelchair".
0:35 I thought it was hilarious that the new Doctor didn't come with clothes of his own, but that they split whatever Tennant was already wearing. It makes a sort of sense. It also implied Tennant was going Full Scott/Commando
25:20 Neil Patrick Harris is always great, though him as the Toymaker felt waaaay too much like him as Count Olaf from Series of Unfortunate Events.
Well ... according to RTD, only gay actors should play gay characters. Fine, mr tad racist ... then I guess we have to get rid of Harris for playing a straight womanizer. Not my opinion, I love Harris as an actor, but it just shows what hypocrits work in media.
Martha was my Doctor Who crush. She was done dirty.
You can thank RTD and his activist writers for doing that along with others, mostly the Tenth doctor.
Same, Freema Agyeman was/is gorgeous.
Love this channel and its breakdown on so many shows and movies.
Bi-regeneration is totally against Dr Who cannon
And sadly follows a long list of other beloved IPs that have been intentionally "high-jacked" to increase the ESG score.
As a black Doctor Who fan (god hate having to say that) but race was never a issue with me until Chinballs and this new RTD Series. I didn't like the Mickey and Rose thing not because of their race but I was them as people who Weren't compatible. I loved Martha and related to her story of unrequited love, not because she was the hot black girl. So this is a Over correction by the BBC, not because they feel bad but think this their job as the the white savior. I didn't need them to completely redcon so I a black fan to feel included. My first cosplay was the 11th Doctor, and most Who fans I met didn't care I was black. They said "nice Doctor and have you seen some of the older Series". There's only 12 Doctors and my Doctor is long gone. F**k the BBC, Disney and RTD.
Thank you. Honestly, this whole video just screamed 'I only watched this recently with my current day political mindset'. Going back and watching Series 1-3 in this time can easily warp your perception of these earlier seasons. I was young (like 7) when this came out, but nobody ever mentioned race. Series 1-4 was peak Nu Who. And yh, Series 1-12 + Classic Who is the only canon I need too :D
The 60th has made me go back to watching Classic Who again.
Altering not noticing that Davies essentially introduced the new Doctor by showing the audience that he was INSIDE Tenant's Doctor is kinda funny seeing as she picked up on the gay not-kiss
I actually disagree with the assessment that Mickey was just a goofy character. The guy was an expert hacker even before he knew the doctor and by the end of his story he is a U.N.I.T. Agent and is married to Martha.
He did have a glowup. I think they did that so fans wouldn't feel bad. It was kinda sad on one note how they were kinda sorta dumped or it didn't work out with their love interest.
I disagree with Weekes analysis. The Doctor rejected Rose and Amy too. Romance was teased with all of them. As far as Mickey goes, I feel like most of the male characters were either overly aggressive warriors (whether good guys or bad guys), or foolish in one way or another. Only Captain Jack was really heroic and nuanced. And if you know Russel T Davies, it makes sense he would do that fro the openly Bisexual character. It also makes sense that Davies would emasculate men, that's what he finds attractive. Flawed, emasculated men.
I mean Jack was THE BEST!!!!!!! LMAO. Amy had a boyfriend and she wasn't thirsting after the doctor the way Martha was and the next doc was old as shit lol.
To take a quote from this show ""these are my plucky assitants, exposition and comic relief .. those are genders"
So a certain male type has been a thing for awhile.
Ummm…the doctor literally said that he loved Rose and couldn’t live with himself if he saw her die slowly overtime. Heck the guy was Literally married to River Song.
If you look for a stain. You will find it.
The only girl he reciprocated with was Rose while leading on Martha but actively rejected Amy. Yes it sucks that Martha was the rebound but any person of any race can be a rebound and to be honest I'm not familiar with any trope of black women being the rebound.
Amy also attempted as hard as she could to cuck Rory but unlike Mickey, Rory was specifically written to the guy who would watch over Amy for over a thousand years just to make her a little bit safer.
They felt the need to write Mickey to be unworthy of Rose in order to cuck him but they didn't feel the need to do that with Rory. If I really wanted to play the race game I could point out that Amy being unsatisfied with and cheating on the nice white guy is in and of itself a racial trope.
The thing is that all of these relationships would have made sense to turn out this way no matter what the race of the characters was. It's noticeable that they're making Martha the most academically qualified companion and specifically singling her out to be a servant and subject to racial prejudice in an attempt to be woke but the doctor leading her on because he hasn't gotten over Rose really doesn't connect at all with her being black.
something I always say as a writer is that you are far better off creating regional diversity than you would ever be shoehorning in a bunch of diverse people. it's far easier to write diverse casts in a diverse state/country as opposed to trying to write a diverse cast in a not-so-diverse area. If someone told me a show took place in Huston, tx and the cast was a black guy, a Korean lady, a white Lesbian, and a Mexican guy fighting monsters that would be realistic because Texas is one of the US' most diverse states whereas if you tried to sell me this story premise set in an isolated town in Wyoming where they all live full time, I'd call bullshit
It IS tokenism, representation is just a new word for it.
It's still the same old "I'm a good person, look at all the colors I know."
Always jump to jabering when i see you upload😂❤
The best a black/woman/gay character can ever hope to be is a knock off of a straight white man
@@DG-mk7kd All I can say in this case, is that if anyone and I do mean ANYONE wants to play as The Doctor. Then they should BE the DOCTOR and NOT use the character to push their ideological beliefs onto the public.
@@ashhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Well apparently that is what Hollywood thinks! They are not making movies interpretating Yoroba mythology, they COULD though. But they aren't, The Yorobas of Nigeria have a mythology as rich as Greece.
But instead, they just race swap beloved white characters! Which shows to me that this was NEVER about elevating black man, it was ALWAYS about mocking and destroying white men.
@@MoonPhantomThank you. All they do is find a European anything and stick a "black" in it. And when they do find something African (not Egyptian based) to adapt, they pick the tribe equivalent of Not-sees and instead of showing the truth, they rewrite history because uplifting women (even monstrous ones) and hating the "whites" comes first.
@ashhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and yet he isn't wrong so stfu. little snowflake.
To be fair, Eccleston called Rose 🌹 stupid too......Father's Day
There was no hanky panky in Classic Dr. Who, he's a alien Timelord, and above such things.
@@jeremycaufield8605 I've always seen the Doctor as aro/ace, as you say, above such things.
Not even a Dr. Who fan I’m just Alteori fan so I must watch this 🍿
The new doctor is Russels eye candy.. I bet my life on that
We'll the 10th Doctor clone that was left with Rose does have the all memories of the Doctor and the Original Doctor left them with a item "Tardis Coral" that well one day grow into a fully functional Tardis so they'll be able to explore Space one day, they were going to have there own series called Rose Tyler Defender of Earth, but the idea for the series was abandoned. I think the problem was it would have been to much like the original series but with more romance.
Sorry just geeking out, another great really video.
aye! they could of done this so much more tastefully and enjoyably if they blew the dust off that old idea!
@@blindedjourneyman True, maybe what I would have done with a show like that is introduce a charismatic, fun but flawed child character who in the opening scene has caused trouble for themselves by some aliens and escapes in the Tardis, making there way to safety back to Earth, the audience would probably wonder if this character is a very young Doctor, but then the child gets in trouble by Rose who scolds him for taking the families Tardis without permission, only for Tenant to inter the scene trying to ease the punishment stating kids will be kids, of course he just thinks how much there child really takes after his parents. As he explains that Rose had immense since for adventure first chance she got and he has flash backs from his own childhood and rebellious streak when he was the first Doctor,
That's just a brief draft of my pilot for Doctor Spin off that I think would make a good family show, also there child has ginger hair, I think it would be great to have a flash to the child's birth and the excitement of David Tenant for there child to have ginger hair as the Doctor always wanted ginger hair, I think that would be funny and cute,
@@GibsonThurber good plot start, especially since very few even remember the first few seasons old who like how he got his tardis lol. not a bad idea at all.
@@blindedjourneyman Thank you,
Like I know it would be a very relatively different show but so was Torchwood and I thought that show was handled well, of corse "Easter eggs" here and there but nothing that derailed the series from feeling like its own thing but also respecting where it came from.
I guess for a fan series like this idea I would love to see DC (Doctor's Clone, I know terrible name lol) contemplating the fact he is now a Human with one life but of course has 900+ years of memories and of course the fact this is not the first time he has been a father and may have some certain regrets how he handled it, there could be a story were we do see the "Doctor's Daughter" again, that she has somehow found away into the parallel earth. Or more interesting to me if Susan (the Doctor's granddaughter) had returned with a family of her own, but has not revealed he is not the original and that he is human. In a episode like that how they would find would be heartbreaking if Susan's child and DC's child begin sneaking off with the Tardis and get them selves in danger to such extremes that both are severely hurt, Susan's child regenerates but notices in shock that DC's child does not and that. After coming back home in a panic that's when Susan gets angry, during this time together she thought her grandfather had finally been to "form his roots" so to speak as he once told her many years ago to be happy but only to figure out that he didn't not technically as of course he was a clone.
So sorry I just love to geek out and come up with different variant stories, if you did like it awesome, if not then sorry for taking your time, I really tried to not make this sound like ranting fanfic, I know I failed at that lol.
Half the reason for the split is due to contract agreements between BBC and Disney.
Mostly in the fact the original agreement had Disney getting all the Doctor Who shows put onto Disney Plus... And the BBC made the split and then claimed Doctor 'Disney' is Doctor 1.
So that Doctors 1-13 get stuck on the BBC streaming Service and Disney gets stuck with what comes after.
The BBC has a very fish history of screwing over foreign investors who try and fund their shows.
Star Trek Discovery had screwed over Netflix before they got kicked off.
Star Trek Picard was royally screwed as the people investing wanted one thing and a single season before putting more money in it... And the people making the mess got a filming studio contracted for two seasons.
So even if they ignored the contract in what to make (which they did) they would still get a second season paid with someone else's money.
Seriously the BBC has a rather nasty history and Disney is just one of the latest people screwed over for money as damage control is made by both sides to pretend it was anything but greedy executives doing it for money.
RTD is a gay man in the position of hiring other gay men, especially ones he finds attractive... it should come as no surprise as to Gatwa's casting and to why he was in his undies. You just have to look at the promo shots with them both to see the underlaying flirtations/attractions. If you know anything about the world of gay men, you should know what their motivating factors are. Its not rocket science. Its also why RTD created and cast the character of Captain Jack. This really is no different to why a older powerful film executive (Weinsten COFF! COFF!) hires young attractive women.
You’re overthinking it.
They didn’t make black men meek and ineffectual; they made all men meek and ineffectual. But most men in Doctor Who were black.
You see, their son isn’t that they are black; their sin is that they are men.
I've gotta agree with Disparu on this one. I think they've pretty much destroyed what Doctor Who is. I wasn't a huge fan before, but I really just don't feel the same from the series anymore. It's all good to add a few things here and there, but it's been a very established universe that has now become a shell of its former self.
Look back in someone's past long enough, you'll be able to convict them of anything.
True true. People like Russell though are the type to do just that. They have become so intolerant as they keep picking up the dirt from their feet and throwing dirt in others faces not realizing that they are digging themselves a grave.
Mickey was written as the boy who deserved to lose his girlfriend. That was what the character supposed to be. His race was incidental. Silly for people to make it about race. But you can't have a character who is evil, or clumsy, or be in anyway negative be played by a "poc", or people will complain. Should've hired a white actor for the part and leave Noel Clarke without a gig.
Has Mark Grayson (Invincible) always been part Korean? Maybe the information that I read was wrong, but from CBR, it said:
"One of the more subtle changes from the comics to Invincible in the Amazon Prime Video animated series is the depiction of Mark Grayson as a biracial superhero, with his mother Debbie now being a Korean American woman. For series creator Robert Kirkman, the change came from the opportunity to feature a more diverse representation in the series, such as making Amber Bennett, Mark's girlfriend in the series, an African American teenager. Kirkman observed that many audiences don't see themselves racially represented in the media, even in the modern era, and these changes were made to help remedy this."
I have also heard that he isn’t originally Korean. I think it’s worth noting that relatively few have read the comics and most have only watched the show. The show fans (including me) didn’t know Mark and Amber were race-swapped until they were told by someone who actually read the comics.
It makes you wonder, when people dislike “established” characters being race-swapped, how “established” does the character have to be before a race swap is in poor taste? Tony Stark and Peter Parker have to be cast as white because they *are* white (I have read a few of their comics), but I don’t care what race Mark Grayson is because I had never heard of him before the show. He had a full book series but I don’t care because I wasn’t familiar with his character, but I would definitely side-eye a race swap of a familiar character.
@@simoniel_l1646 Yeah, you're right. I don't fault anyone for not knowing. More people know about the show than they know about the comics. Some don't even know about the comics. That is also a good question about how established a character has to be before swapping is in poor taste. To me, I feel like if it is not something based on historical context, if the race is not something that is important for the character or the story, or if the creator of the work is the one that does the change, most will be forgiving about it IF the show or movie is good. If people are enjoying themselves, I think they are willing to overlook a character having a different race that could honestly be any race without changing the story. But that's just what I think.
Well from what I read, his race is ambiguous in the comics even though his mom looks East Asian to me.
@@AlteoriI have also heard someone say that as well. The info I heard from CBR and Watch Mojo could be wrong, but given the numerous changes to gender and race of other characters, I would not be surprised if there was a change there. Not that I am complaining or think it is important. Mark is still a great character, and his appearance has not really changed that much for anyone to really notice even if they did care about race.
Mark's race being ambiguous is by design though. Viltrumite dna is more than just the dominate in a cross species child. The viltrumite side overwrites other dna until the offspring is a near pure viltrumite over time by eliminating weak genes but keeping stronger ones. That is why Mark's brother Oliver looks human with purple skin even though his mother is Thraxan or why all hybrids have the same viltrumite powers. It is their viltrumite side rewriting and taking over the inferior dna within the hybrid. This is also the real reason why hybrids are feared. If the hydrid was from a species that had a natural power greater than that of a viltrumite he/she would keep it there for gaining an advantage over pure viltrumites.
Mickey and the Doctor were rivals for Rose. Of course they would be friction. And not all black characters are bestest.
The thing about Mickey is that yeah he kinda got the shit end of the deal same for martha but the way princess weeksles talks about it makes it sound like you can't have a black character be a lazy sketchy character or be in a bad relationship cuz that's an archetype or somehow racist, granted it was lazy writing but at the same time this goes back to people wanting diversity but only good diversity, you can't have a character of color be a bad guy or a lazy character or have any bad traits, it's almost like wanting to have your cake and eat it too
Oh, I completely agree with you, and I even follow up by saying that any ethnicity is going to have bad people or lazy people. However, where I do agree with her is the fact that there are not a lot of black main characters that I know of in the show, and the BBC claims that it wants to be diverse and is jumping down people's throats for calling them out for tokenizing minorities. But they end up tokenizing minorities. They claim they want to portray good characters, but any one of the few times when you have a black dude semi-main character, you introduce him as being one of the most unlikable and annoying people or a pushover. I get that the show has always claimed to be progressive, so since they are shining the light on themselves in that manner, it's understandable that people are always going to see them through that lens.
ANY color people can be an asshole or friendzoned, but seeing as BBC claims to be diverse, them writing those minority characters like that seems ironic. I think Mickey did have a good end though even though lol, he wasn't wanted and neither was Martha so they put the two black people together hmmmm
@Alteori yeah I agree odds are that they will probably try to correct those plot points by somehow bringing back martha just so SHE can reject the doctor this time as some female power moment
Which yeah she does deserve a better outcome but knowing this modern dr who they would screw it up
Perfect example is Rey from the sequel trilogy.
@@AlteoriThe doctor treats almost every male companion as a schmuck ever since the very beginning of Doctor. who if you want to look at modern who look at Rory, the doctor traded him like an absolute schmuck even worse than Mickey male companions being treated like absolute brain dead. schmucks is part of the show, not necessarily a racial thing.
Weekes is a major racist psychopath, will come up with some way to make EV. ER. Y. THING. about race.
Him doing The episode without pants was the actor's idea.
Doubt that, receipts please.
The first Jodi season already overcompensated and lost me, I just want FAIR. They introduced a clear hierarchy from the black grandma being flawless, her partner being a bumbling white buffoon (which for a white guy in that series was as good as it go), then came white woman Jodi followed by the black male and every single white guy was evil - or they were until I gave up on it sometime after a rich greedy white capitalist literally disposed of toxic waste under a old folks home - happens all the time - and at the end he STILL risked which life for money which I think may have been some kind of message?
I loved Jodi in Black Mirror and Missy was my favourite character of all time so I was excited to see that season but they hammered white males and I'm pathologically fair so bailed. On the plus side, while part of the reason for quitting was that they changed the stories into NON Dr Who stories, I was pleasantly surprised to absolutely love the Rosa Parks and split of India episodes. They were absolutely brilliant. But then we ran out of budget I guess and filmed what was basically the day in the life of an Amazon packing department in a single room.
Oh I totally saw that. There has to be a balance and the thing is... many shows and movies got there. But I think the mistake is focusing too much on just ethnicity unless it is integral to the story
I'm tired of all of the swapping, queering, and misandry.
@@Nyet-ZdyesSame.
You clearly didn't watch it since those claims are nonsense.
He took Tennant’s underwear and had no time for pants. So Tennant’s Doctor was wearing wool pants with no underwear and I found that hilarious
I liked this video! I think I agree with pretty much everything you said here (don't remember anything I disagree with). With how big a villain the toymaker was, I almost wish it was a two-parter. Pantless doctor didn't bother me, Matt Smith did that a couple times. I didn't view Ncuti as half a doctor, but rather that we had two complete doctors, and that this was something different, rather than just permanently kicking Tennant out again. I think the first special was worse in every way, and much more offensive, and people that have a problem with this one may be overblowing it. I agree that it is lazy, annoying and disrespectful to race-swap characters, because it always smells like it isn't done genuinely. I think companies do this because they fear making a brand new story revolving around minorities, thinking no one will see it, and it's also very hard to make really good original content. Because of how regeneration works, I don't have the same issues with having a black doctor. Ncuti seems fun. I really liked this special, and the second one was great too. But the first one stinks. Don't dump on my hero with a load of misandry, don't correct a billion year old time-travelling alien on how to address another alien, and don't claim to be both female and non/both-binary (what does the last one even mean?). The first special made me sad. I'm glad I watched the other ones though.
You probably don't know about this, but when the Third and Fourth Doctors regenerated, they had a concept where a reflection of the future self of a Time Lord can appear as a separate character, tipping the Time Lord off that they're going to die and regenerate soon. I thought they were gonna do that with Ncuti Gatwa.
This bi-regeneration thing is just so disrespectful. It's like "You're the first black Doctor, but just in case.... we're gonna have a Tennant in reserve." Rather than having his future self around (in a way that's already established) so that Tennant can directly pass the torch, they made Ncuti the first Doctor to have the previous, massively popular Doctor still there.
Mickey was just the every man. Almost every guy I came across growing up watching Doctor Who was like a Mickey in real life. They didn't like things outside their comfort zone and were happy just living their lives and going to the pub. Problem with Doctor Who analysis is that American and British perspectives can differ wildly. Like that quote "that boy deserved to lose his girlfriend" to an American "that boy" comes with racial baggage where over her it really does just mean that boy, same we'd say "that girl" like you'd say that about any person of any race. He's just a guy out of his depth who is too normal for this big adventure but also slowly changes into his own hero without the Doctor or Rose which is not something you'd do if you were racist or hated the character. Same divide comes around tone and comedy, like the Doctor saying Mickey the idiot one last time. This time it was a tone of endearment of "look how far you've come and how wrong we all were" but that tone can be lost in translation because it can be quite dry, like a lot of our delivery so a lot of Americans just think he's being mocked again.
Unfortunately a lot of the time the American perspective due to the nature of social media is the one that really takes off and becomes face and then showrunners see this and try to wildly over correct things that weren't actually bad just lost in translation and cultural difference for an entirely different audience. Leading to things like the bland inoffensive soup that was the first woman Doctors run when they try to make it all far more universal in tone so in no way can be interpreted by anyone as problematic but in doing so it loses some of its identity. Honestly I don't envy Americans, it seems exhausting to have to pick apart every line, phrase, interaction, role, personality, relationship through the lens of race and racial history. Like you can't use a line in a show set in Italy if it becomes popular in America because 110 years ago for three months it was co-opted by racists in one part of America that nobody even knew about except one historian on twitter who got annoyed this phrase was used despite it having a different more recognized original meaning everywhere else and these posts will get 30k likes and have the writers apologizing.
Thanks for the introspection! You're also super understanding of our American perspective on viewing Doctor Who and cultural viewing. I totally get how other cultures may not get dry humor or taunting endearment. A recent and popular example is Philomena Cunk and how some Americans are geniunly confused about this character. I'd honestly enjoy if Dcotor Who has stayed less universal even if it means to find context or explanations from people like you. It feels more genuine as a piece of culture from somewhere different.
The turning Mickey into a hero thing was likely an attempt to correct how the character was treated initially. I started watching who very recently, and not only is mickey constantly treated like shit while doing nothing but good for everyone around him, the other characters arent condemned nor do they really have to own up to how they treated him at any point...
Many episodes are actually just mickey flat out saving the day with the doctor just sort of standing around and this is really odd... because they don't credit mickey for these feats and it usually goes to the doctor.... So then i'd ask.. why have him save the day to begin with if people are just going to take advantage and use him.
This could have been turned into development for the main characters, but its sort of swept under the rug and they give Mickey a final hooraa before moving on from his character completely
Like, i can see how you concluded that the writer's like Mickey, but other than the shallow attempt at course correction, theres no indication that he was anything other than a punching bag until the very last moment, expecting the viewer to continue thinking of Mickey as a shitbag who deserves to be treated that way.
Also, there's many English people who see it this way as well, not just Americans
9:24 Uh oh. Alteori has gone far right!!! Run away!!!
She should consider it a "badge-of-honor" because its about being able to think for yourself and not be grifted/extorted into the usual groupthink mindset like most have. I know you're only being sarcastic but I'm just speaking facts.
I think its more hilarious that people keep forgetting rose tylers mum was also hitting on ecclestons 9th doctor...an he was just like flat out "uuuhhh..no"
you are right and you are hysterical! Love when you laugh over the near kiss.
Bro! "Do you come in a range of colors"? That hit my ear like that " Black Girl Magic!" line from the marvels ...
Dr. Who #11: Amy had a foolish BF who was WHITE...So in the end as usual it is no Biggie. Hundreds of Who Villains "White" so this all proves.....? Mickey was the balance amd fun relief-and a damn good actor. And later was a Hero. No Prob and No Issue. ✌🏻 Peace 😹
He wasn't was foolish but he wasn't a piece of shit
@@Alteori Well said...hee hee 🦋
Eh.. Certainly not to the same extent as Mickey. They give Rory plenty of heroic moments. Initially he is really goofy, certainly pre "Vampires of Venice" episode- but then that episode fleshes him out more, and it's only more solidified in "Amy's choice".
He is goofy at times, but he also has grounded moments where he's given spotlight. Also you can tell Amy absolutely adores him which you cannot say the same for Rose with Mickey.
@@Alteori Rory got so cucked it was hard to watch. But, honestly you keep making jokes about Big Black C*** in your videos it's feeling pretty fetish and cringe.
They didn't like Black April'O Niel because they turned her into a hunch backed ogre of a black woman, not because she was black.
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That thumbnail made me physically revolt
Just an awesome review...I agree with 97% of your review. It's the story and writing that failed. The point of failure for me was The Star Beast. I did not have an overly bad experience, it was just ok - not great, but not bad either, up to the point of the male bashing Disney style story cannon change - "Just let it go" so I have. Bye Dr. Who, thank you for 59 years R.I.P.
Straight up... maybe he down with Dark Meat... prime rib over pastrami.. lmfao
What they conveniently forget that BLACK PEOPLE SHARE THE SAME ISSUES WITH TOKENISM! I do not like token blackism just for culture points. Don't just take black people and shoehorn them in when you want to feel good about yourself. I have never had an issue with seeing myself in ANY character... Male of Female. I saw myself in Samus Aran, Helen Ripley, Sarah Conner, T'challa, Bruce Banner, Mario, and even Sonic the Hedgehog! Its about the character and my imagination. For fucks sake....just stop! Its like these writers know NO black people or only the ones that complain about not seeing a blackity blah blah blah something.
You’re looking way too hard, cos if it was a white man like Rory who went through the same development you wouldn’t be saying a thing 😅 also, both characters had a very similar journey, I think it’s a stereotype doctor who havedone since the beginning, getting these women to fall for them even though they can never have him, all the while their boyfriends start as weak and losers and end up heroes.
I stopped watching Doctor Who. They used to go somewhere at some time and have an adventure with a story that's part of an overrall season plotline. Now every episode is time locked between 2016 and 2023 sensibilities. I require more escapism in my sci-fy. Good luck with new who+.
I spent half the time yelling at this new Doctor to put some pants on, yeah I remember how everyone was such an asshole to Danny Pink, it really irk me, he didnt do anything to anyone and yet he was treated like shit more then half the time and then we find out he was a Vet with PTSD. Blimey....
GREAT @AITEORI DOCTOR WHO SERIOUSLY DISASTER BY OVERCORRECT SERIOUSLY I AGREED
@@brandonscott5544 WHY ARE WE YELLING?
Is it just me or does it seem like all the Doctors after Tennant just carbon copies of him?
All throughout the classic series each regeneration had their own unique personalities that set them apart. That's why in the special episodes when they met each other they would clash due to how different they are. Like the first Doctors reaction to seeing the second and third, "So these are my replacements? A dandy and a clown?"
Now the new Doctors just seem to be confined to the same personality and Tennant seems to be the template.
You thought capaldi was like tennant?
No because matt and capaldi are nothing like tennant. Aside from the few similarities that all doctors share. The only one i would argue was a carbon copy of tenant was Jodie because im guessing thats the only research she did to get into character but even then she wasnt a carbon copy of him
Nah, I think you can say that about one of them. Smith brought a different energy to the role and capaldi definitely did.
@@ryan131rm My thought as well. No way Capaldi was the same. No way you would see Tennant teaching college students, trying to rehab the master, or letting Clara try to betray him with no consequence.
Little-foot and Donna Noble have been flanderized, a minor trait in their character has been exaggerated to the point that it's become their main character trait. Ned Flanders from the Simpsons is the namesake of this trope due to becoming more and more religious with each season.
You are my spirit animal. Finally somebody shares my views on the wierd representation of black people in s1-3.
The 9th Doctor - (Christopher Eccleston) - a male presenting Time Lord instructed Rose to "Let go" (his exact words) when she absorbed the time vortex and sacrificed his incarnation to absorb the powers solely to relive Rose and without any hesitation whatsoever gave it back to the TARDIS. That's the reason why David Tennant's doctor was on our screens. (The reason in Doctor Who.) And now that he has his face back in a later incarnation, they're saying this misandrist shit to him of all people... They used the words "will never understand". This is all by the same show-runner... Misandry is not a cure for misogyny.
I have been a Doctor Who fan since Tom Baker´s Doctor when I was a little kid - so like all my life and yes I am old 🙂. I was thrilled when it came back with Eccelston and then Tennant. The first was OK (hard for me to get past the leather jacket) and Tennant definitely felt like the Doctor. I wasn´t a huge fan of his run and I didn´t completely realize why until your video. They did do Mickety and Martha dirty and while I didn´t break it down at the time I see now that this is why Tennant´s time as the Doctor didn´t excite me as it would have otherwise. Matt Smith brought the love back for the show, and I miss him and the Ponds so, so much. The franchise has lost a life long fan now. What they have done with the holiday specials was far worse than I could have ever imagined and I was sure it was going to be awful. The great thing about the Doctor is that he can always regenerate. I will wait for the next reboot in say 20 years 🤣
The same way that it’s cringe when the super liberal scratch and claw for every potential “racist” thing they can find to complain about… it feels the same way when someone *not* in that camp uses the same tactics, like you said … something about how you can notice racism in almost any of it “if you look hard enough”
I get the sentiment… I agree that RTD is making a mockery of the series, but using their tactics of “everything is racist” only proves that anyone call pull BS out of their butts 😏 sorry
no hate meant … always enjoy your vids
That's what CRT is all about... seeing everything through a lens of racism... and then, "amazingly" finding it.
@@Nyet-ZdyesAll so these idiots can say to the WEF "look at how high our ESG score is"
This is unrelated to the video but seeing how it’s almost Christmas: Have you ever seen the Klaus movie on Netflix? My family and I have watched that movie every Christmas for the past three years since we found it. I think it’s a very good Christmas movie and I would love to see what you think of it. Merry Christmas! 🎄
I have to disagree about Mickey. Yes, at first he was a bit of the comic relief but he had his moments when he was needed.
And after his time in the parallel universe he became brave and eventually earned the Doctor's respect.
I guess you could say he had a character arc throughout his time in the series.
He did
Also, Rory could be classed as a Mickey type character, from a bumbling and somewhat weak fool, to a brave man who'd do anything to keep his wife safe
@@That_Random_British_Dude The Doctor makes people better. Capt. Jack said as much to the ninth doctor.
I don't think Rory ever had to go through that particular development. He did go through different forms of character development, but he was always willing to go above and beyond to protect his wife should there be need to. From his very first journey in the TARDIS (the vampires in Venice), to the very end. @@That_Random_British_Dude
He was the tin dog....
Growing up is realizing that Rose treated Mickey like dog sh_t and Martha and Mickey were much better together.
So the first companion of the Black Doctor is a blonde White woman. I mean, ya, they are being pretty on the nose with this Doctor.
Can you show me a single instance in Doctor Who since the start of the 2005 return of the show to this date where the de-masculinization of black MEN is being portrayed otherwise? These people writing these stories can care less about knowing the strong points of strong black male historically; the bi-sexual 'Captain Jack Harkness' was even portrayed as a strong masculine . . . ok, so the next doctor is going to be a 'man among men' type of guy . . . (that is not how I view the common black male) . . . lets at least give this new black version of the Doctor a strong masculine character please! I am no suggesting the sexual nature element, I pushing the masculine elements of a leader and father figure . . . in my option their is a war against representing black men as capable of being both a leader and father figure! so who flipping cares if this next doctor is straight/bi/quire/whatever . . . for the love of all things that matter please make him a strong leader and father figure!
Danny Pink. He's one of the few characters to put the Doctor in his place.
@@imperialdebauchery5988 Danny Pink totally ROCK's! now I got to re-watch all the episodes with Danny Pink 🤔, Doctor spotted Pink right off the bat as a alpha-male (that's why Doctor kept taunting Pink as "the soldier". Got any other examples?
Good morning miss alteori 😊😊
Meh. I'm not interested in any of it until they fix the Timeless Child BS and they have no intention of doing that. So whatever.
The moment the BBC bowed to the woke and made Queen Anne Boleyn black AND a lesbian was the moment I stopped caring about them.
And I'm still trying to figure out what a "caterpillar basket" is. 🤔
17:58 I fuckin died bro 😂😂😂😂
i think you're right 🙃
The new land before time looks horrendous. I can't wait to see your reaction to it lol
Older gentlemen? Ahem. Yes some of the Doctor's in the original Doctor Who were in their 40s but so was Christopher Eccleston and even David Tennant was pushing 40 by the time he left the show in 2010.
Only two Doctors in classic Who were in their 50s when they played the role. Including the original William Hartnell.
So i wouldn't class any of them as being particularly old.
In the whole history of the show only two actors where in their 20s when they got the job. Thats including the new series.
“Do you come in a range of colors?” Omg!!🥲
I mean, Ncuti being 1/2 the Doctor makes sense, the math all checks out. He was 3/5ths of the full Doctor, and him being gay scraped off an extra 1/10th.
Boy, can't wait to see some Simple Jack ass redditors calling Alteori this phobe or that phobe over this video again... 🙄
Oh yeah, Reddit is eating the new Doctor Who trash up.
Freema Agyeman is a beautiful woman. An interesting blend of bloodlines with an Iranian Kurdish mother and Ghanian father.
Been awhile since I seen your vids lol 😂
That quote from the article you read told me that the author has never heard of, and I don't know if you have, either, but yes, this is a thing...Blacula. And its' sequels.
Edit: It was a LONG time ago.
21:47 well to be fair you do.
Another great Vid...
It just goes to show that some things are better off being left alone and in the past, especially good ones 😔
Wow Micky was the proto-Fin from Star wars making the black guy run round space and time simping
Good video. Totally agree about RTD's characterisations. His idea of a positive gay character was a omni-sexual predator. 🙄
Hi Alteori!!!! 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Hey Rene!
Funny what it says if you translate it.
Hello Alteori.
Never seen the other seasons of the Doctor(s), only seen the ones with Christopher Eccleston and David Tennant. I'm somewhat know of the Doctor Who series and lore. Tell it like it is, Alteori, tell it like it is. Also, what game is that during the video?
Anyway, another great video, Alteori, I like it, see you in the next one.
The game is Volzerk
Oooooh. Cool. Thank you.
The reason the new doctor was pantless and was because when they split, the split the clothing between them he is wearing Tennant's undies shirt and tie
Well, that's the excuse, anyway.
Yes I know
Hi Alteori
_(I changed the txt to "Alteori the GOAT")_ 😉
DR. WHO WAS A FAMILY SHOW...NOT A NEO-POLITICAL PLATFORM!!!!
Its sad how literally every Alteori video nowadays is filled with politics
This is doctor who we’re talking about now in full force with politics
@@spadesofpaintstudios1719"Politics is downstream from culture" - Andrew Breitbart
I'm sorry you feel that way but when it is literally in almost EVERY piece of entertainment then yes... I have to be honest about that. If a showrunner is making his show with politics at the forefront then yes, it is going to be part of the subject.
However, I don't get what you mean by EVERY video. I hardly mention presidency, political aisles, and all that shit.
So maybe I need more clarification on what you mean by "FILLED with politics?"
That "God Damn . . ." had me chuckling lol.
I gotta be honest his sound so much like ''Shitty Gyatt Wa''
one day i should watch this show. my mom was a big fan of this show
dont watch anything post Matt Smith
Fun fact: the original first three seasons are basically gone, like no copies exist gone.
Another Fun fact: same thing happened with General Hospital
@@jackalenterprisesofohioaye only those who watched it shall know they existed ;-; Im so glad that my dad had old tapes of the entire old series. also so sad that I cant salvage em cause they got damaged a few years ago.
I don't have an issue with Ncuti Gatwa's casting but I am worried since he talked about bringing his own politics to the role and he seems to have similar views to that of Russell T. Davies so....yeah, DW's still probably screwed.
10:59 I think it was established that she did break up with her Doctor clone
As an Englishman, I prefer the days when we didn't have to pander to, elevate, include, tip-toe around or worry about the feelings of other people. We just made media for ourselves. Great times...
How does the quote go, "I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.” -- Booker T. Washington
I like the way Micky started out as a bit of a buffoon, but over time developed into a competent and heroic character-so that when the doctor first called him ‘Micky the idiot’ he meant it, but by the end calling him ‘Micky the idiot’ was ironic, and implied he was actually quite the opposite. Some good character development there.
He did have a good character arc, atleast.
He was never really an idiot though, that's the thing. Maybe that's what they were going for(?) but they didn't show him doing or saying dumb things. He'd just catch strays for literally no reason while just existing lol.
The irony is.. They actually show the Doctor doing infinitely more objectively stupid things, causing many of the issues himself before solving them and coming out the "hero". Same with Rose... But the show paints them as intelligent despite this.
Your videos never cease to entertain me ❤
Race swapping can make sense in certain circumstances. There are Marvel and DC heroes that were base human and can pass along their mantle of power to a new person. Green Lantern comes to mind. In cases like that, it isn't "race swapping." The maker is using pre-established lore for the character. A black wonder woman isn't beyond the scope of her lore, either. But, yeah in many cases, race swapping is stupid.
"Representational demography" is explicitly tokenizing; defining demographics by assigned representation rather than the observed collective group. Therefore if you view demographics in that manner, rather than proper scoped observationally, you'll only make and consider tokens. _(It's quite the 'academic' issue.)_
I love the suspicious eyes at the start. Also your comment of a running gag now has me picturing Ncuti going through his entire run as the doctor without ever wearing pants.
men don't grab eachother on the back of the neck for a hug like that. wtf
Also; Everyone go rewatch Alteori's Land Before Time series.... seriously, i need to feel happiness again, current time sucks.😢
I was so excited when I was introduced to a show called “Raising Dion” this show was amazing, I freaking loved Dion, but nope, Netflix killed an original black superhero show
In the spirit of Christmas, please please, please review Violent Night. I know you're going to gasp when you see the Viking tattoo. 😂