Fun fact I like about Slint is that PJ Harvey wrote them a letter asking if she could audition. It was never read by anyone in the band until after they had stopped making music/her own career took off
I got heavy into Slint just out of high school and was immediately drawn in by the shadowy, mysterious atmosphere of their sound. Something very cinematic about their sound. At the same time I was also getting into other post-hardcore bands like Quicksand, Fugazi, Drive Like Jehu and Sunny Day Real Estate, so maybe I had a better context to place them than trying to absorb them in a void. Still, I enjoyed the conversation.
Joe should start a spin off channel. " Tastes like Critically acclaimed and culturally significant music , I despise" or " Tastes like Music that hurts my ears " Lol
For some reason, when I looked at the list earlier in the week who was up for today, I thought I read it was the Slits, who are a 70's riot girl group from Britain, ala the Raincoats. Since you guys have taken a few interesting detours doing this channel, I didn't think much of it. Boy, was I surprised when I tuned in, since I was expecting something quite different. I need to pay closer attention I guess. Really looking forward to when you guys finally get around to discussing UB40 next week!!
Since Steve Albini was mentioned in the video, I thought I would use that opportunity to list my favorite records that he has produced: 1. The Jesus Lizard - Goat (1991) 2. Pixies - Surfer Rosa (1988) 3. Screaming Females - Ugly (2012) 4. The Jesus Lizard - Liar (1992) 5. Songs Ohia - The Magnolia Electric Co. (2003) 6. The Breeders - Pod (1990) 7. Don Caballero - American Don (2000) 8. Cloud Nothings - Attack on Memory (2012) 9. The Ex - Turn (2004) 10. Bedhead - Transaction de Novo (1998) HMs: High on Fire - Blessed Black Wings (2005); McLusky - Do Dallas (2002); Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Yanqui U.X.O. (2002); Dirty Three - Ocean Songs (1998); Helmet - Meantime (1992) and countless more… Too many to list.
love that Helmet lp. Played that to death when it came it. Think he produced their debut "Strap it on" as well, which is also killer. I read in an interview he loved English post punk legends the Gang of Four and they were a big influence on his sound. That was cool
Good call. Love the Jesus Lizard records in particular. Albini doesn't i think, get the credit he deserves at times. I really like alot of the music he's produced including his own. Just not Slint.
Great choices. almost too many to mention. I'm a huge fan of his work with Nina Nastasia, especially The Blackened Air. And The Ex are one of my top 50 bands. I've seen them a few times, including an awesome gig backing up Ethiopian saxophonist Getatchew Mekurya.
Well that was great. Joe's song list was probably my favourite part. I have never been able to get into Slint. I've tried to listen to Spiderland a number of times over the years and I've never enjoyed the experience. A lot of what is written about it has always irritated me because I really don't hear what these people do who praise it. Oh well, I tried. All that usually comes of me listening to it is me being mad, so it's not worth it. I will say that this has lead to lots of fun discussion and memes over the last few weeks so I can praise them for that. 2. Tweez - 2 (4) 1. Spiderland - 2.5 (5.4) Songs: Nah
Big Star would be perfect for the next time you decide to do this. I'll even get the ball rolling: 1. Radio City 2. #1 Record 3. Third/Sister Lovers 4. In Space
Slint is great. I remember hearing Breadcrumb Trail on WNUR in Chicago in 1991 and finding the CD back then. I knew they had a release before Spiderland but could never find Tweez. Now, you can find almost anything on the internet. Also, if you guys ever do this again, consider My Bloody Valentine. They should annoy Joe. 😆
Slint is one of those bands I haven’t wrapped my head around yet, though I do appreciate what they were trying to do. maybe I’ll get there someday. I was able to get into Captain Beefheart even at his strangest points so I guess anything is possible
I haven't listened to Slint in a couple of decades, but my vague memory of them would rate both 2.5. I may have to give them another listen; so many of my friends swore by them, back in the day. I am a big fan of Brian McMahan's previous band, Squirrel Bait, since hearing them on the great Wailing Ultimate comp. I also like some of the work these guys have done in other projects, including playing with Will Oldham.
I think Spiderland is a 5/5 album but Tweez is more like a 3 and it's possibly one of those situations where a band disappearing into the ether after a fantastic album just creates this unique legacy. As much as I love Spiderland - I'm not sure if they had continued that they would be able to make anything as good again. Lightning in a bottle? There's been other bands like that, Neutral Milk Hotel or even My Bloody Valentine comes to mind, even if the latter had a sequel album decades later.
I didn’t get Slint at all at first. But a friend recommended the DIY documentary on UA-cam called Breadcrumb Trail which I found fascinating. Now Spiderland is one of my favorite albums (not top 20, but maybe in the top 100). I love the spacious drum sound, and you can completely hear and connect those drums to Pod, by the Breeders.
For Me I would avoid any music with vocals until just like two years ago and now I listen to a lot of music with lyrics. But I still prefer instrumental music to vocal music.@@burmajones803
I've never heard of Slint (math rock isn't really my thing), but this might be the most unintentionally funny episode of Listography/Tastes Like Music. Two albums hahaha. Can't wait till you guys do the Sex Pistols - I'm sure Joe will love that.
Yeah I'm not huge on Slint. It is funny how overhyped they are and people act like Spiderland is the greatest most influential album ever. They seriously think it's way ahead of it's time and I just don't see that. How could Spiderland have been that impactful when so few have heard the record? Especially when it came out it was ignored and even still so many other bands were doing the quiet/loud dynamic, odd tunings, weird structures. Tweez seems kinda interesting so maybe it's one to spend time with but Spiderland is largely quite boring and uneventful. The talking is the most annoying thing but the guitars aren't that great either. Drums sound good though. And the ending is cool.
You should've added their 10" Untitled EP - which is 15 minutes long and absolutely killer. PS - when dude with goatee ranked Stooges first album last, I immediately turned off that video. I almost fell out of my chair.
Loving the comments here. Hilarious. Great week for the channel i think. Listography Jnr concept is a good one. Lots of fun. Especially Nirvana and Slint. Love Kramzer and Jason, but Joe is definitely MVP this week
Never heard of them, much less listened to them, but then I’m old. Not inspired to check them out now after this session. “Every song is named after their parents”. Wow. But always fun to watch these sessions. Thx, JPE
Oof. Poor Joe! I discovered Slint maybe 12 years ago. I heard about them because of the 90s Norwegian weirdo black-ish metal band Ved Buens Ende, who cited them as an influence. In the 2000s VBE's drummer switched to guitar and they sort of put aside much of their more metallic qualities and morphed into the band Virus, who are also real good. I really have listened to Spiderland a lot more. Need to give the other record some more time. I do really enjoy teh sparse, heavy, rhythmically fascinating sound, but totally get why someone might not as well.
1. Spiderland 2.5/5 2. Tweez 2/5 I'd never heard of Slint until this channel's Album of the Year series. Their albums have some decent playing on them, but are just not song-oriented/melodic enough to hold my interest. I didn't come across any tracks I'd be likely to revisit. MY RATING SYSTEM: 5.0 = major classic (consistently great *and* stratospheric highs) 4.5 = minor classic (consistently great *or* stratospheric highs, but not both) 4.0 = great (more than 50% is worth revisiting and it's an essential record for this artist/style - passes my "it'll make a fan out of someone who's new to this artist" test) 3.5 = seriously good (more than 50% is worth revisiting) 3.0 = nominally good (less than 50% is worth revisiting) 2.5 = decent (competent but uninspired - not worth revisiting) 2.0 = poor (difficult listen) 1.5 = awful (can't finish it) 1.0 = historically awful (musical apocalypse) *Note: "Consistently" does not mean "flawlessly." I allow for a few clunkers if the rest of the songs are good enough. Also, I don't go below 1 star because once I'm in the realm of the truly terrible I don't care to differentiate anymore.
I gave Spiderland a listen, fully expecting to hate it. I really didn't hate it. It reminded me a bit of Patti Smith's Horses album, which I thought was revolutionary. I would characterize this album as more reactionary than revolutionary. It seems like a reaction to rap to me. What happens when you use free verse poetry rather than rhyme and use the instruments to set the atmosphere rather than the beat? I didn't hate it. I could actually grow to like it I think.
Hi guys, what’s up. Unfamiliar with Slint (and most of Jane’s Addiction), but every episode is interesting and cool. Kinda getting used to this pace, what about Lou Reed tomorrow..? Or Moody Blues? Or Van Morrison? Or Clapton? Or Jethro Tull? Or Gentle Giant? Or Van Der Graaf Generator? Or Gong? Or Melvins? Or Helmet? (Steve Albini relation there) Or Tool? Or Deftones? Or Chevelle? (again, Albini) (Some of my favourite less-extreme metal music, this). Or…. or…. Zappa? Miles Davis? (this is fun!). Tomorrow..????
02) Tweez (2 stars) 01) Spiderland (3 stars) 0 stars - irredeemably terrible/insultingly bad/the worst .5 stars - terrible 1 star - bad 1.5 stars - pretty bad 2 stars - fair 2.5 stars - meh 2.75 stars - "It's OK, but quit playing it." 3 stars - OK/decent 3.25 stars - pretty good 3.5 stars - good 4 stars - very good 4.5 stars - excellent 5 stars - scattered remnants notes: *This is the strangest band choice the TLM guys have made yet. Never would I have guessed they would cover this band. * I actually like some post rock, but this doesn't turn me on much. * They often hit those Sonic Youth notes that sound off key which I don't appreciate. * I think these albums have more merit as art than music. Some of these songs kinda take you on a weird journey that goes up and down, so that's kinda cool. * There's a guitar figure in "Nosferatu Man" that is appropriately creepy. * I likely won't be revisiting these albums. Not by choice anyway. * Cheers mates!!!!!
i tried. thank god it was only 2 records. I'm with Joe. Tedious, noisy, pretentious nonsense. my 'ranking " 1. Tweez . 2 stars. Spiderland 1 star.( i'm feeling generous today) .. don't like any of the songs in particular. Maybe Good Morning captain is passable...No. that song's garbage too. Worst band i've heard reviewed on this channel. great video guys. more Listography Jnr's please. this was Joe's greatest week. TLM rules for ever.
I tried with Spiderland again this week. Nothing. As a full album listening experience, I found it as boring as all the numerous attempts I've made in the past considering the high praise. I enjoy a couple of songs, particularly Washer. They're often referred to as connected with slow core bands I love like Codeine or The Palace /Will Oldham records, but for some reason they don't fully connect with me. Maybe it's me. Curious to hear what's the view of the TLM guys and the commentors.
They borrowed the concept from Flipper but lacked the POWER. Their albums sound like a rehearsal for Sex Bomb Baby with the volume turned down so that the neighbours do not get disturbed. If "pretentious" needs a description, why not look here? Or is it simply boredom? 3. Tweez 2,0 (The ideas are there, even if others had them before. The implementation of those ideas is on the level of a school workshop - again others did that before with the necessary skills. Can a 30 minute record be too long?) 2. Untitled EP 2,0 (Both tracks announce themselves big and dribble off into nothingness. And then it is over.) 1. Spiderland 2,5 (All the time I wish that Bruford and Fripp would step in to ignite these tunes. There is a vision far on the horizon but all they can do is to vaguely outline it for us as they lack any talent to capture it. After 39 minutes you are still waiting in the same place as before.) None of their "songs" is worth noting.
I've enjoyed some noise rock and art rock -- Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Joan of Arc, Thinking Fellers Union, Book of Knots, Constants, and I'm sure I'm forgetting the majority of them. But just didn't really gel with Slint. I've had Spiderland in my collection for a couple of decades.
so here we are covering a band with 2 albums and slint is picked! could have picked another perry farrell group but here it goes 2 tweez 1.0 stars [ this is as low as i go mostly] 1 spiderland 2.0 + i heard the ep by accident and that was somewhat ok top songs that is the complete list oh well as we gather here next week for a u2 show where i expect sparks will surely fly!🐯🐯🐯🐯🐯
I know theres gonna be opinions i disagree with in this, but thank you for talking about this band anyway. Spiderland is in my top 3, and changed my life
Im from Louisville so im definitely gonna be partial but I dont get the hate, yeah it can be a bit slow in places and the vocals spoken word is niche but the ATMOSPHERE. I see a lot of comments calling them unoriginal, I can’t think of anything close to what they created.
Okay, I did what I considered to be my duty and listened to a total of 6 tracks, 3 from each album, all taken from your favorites lists. That was as much as I could take. As for the rest, guys, whether you thought it was 4 stars or 0 stars, I'll take your word for it.
...can honestly say I've never heard of them...am I now intrigued ?...or irritatingly perturbed at wondering could I have missed something ?? Then I remembered I have to weed the garden and...who were we talking about ?
Listener suggestion: a guest host (friend, musician, youtuber, patron) asking you music trivia questions. I'm envisioning little white boards where you write your answers (or multiple-choice selection) and then reveal them. Given the amount of shit you all sling at each other whilst engaging in completely subjective activities, I think a little actual competition would be high entertainment. It would hinge on the questions though. For instance, you couldn't have someone continually grooving shoegaze fastballs that Kramzer hits out of the park. Food for thought, not that you guys need any help. Everything you do is worthwhile IMO.
Talking about "experimental"... Jack White's new album Fear of the Dawn - is it experimental, is it good? I would say, at least it is "interesting". He experiments a lot with new sounds and a lot of effects. But I am not sure if it is really an album - to me it sounds more like a collection of sound effects that wait for the incorporation in some context where they may fit. At least, it is not as boring as much of his other stuff but I doubt that I will listen to it very often again... (Thinking of White as a producer - this at times sounds like an advertisement to possible customers "see what I have in my trick bag, you can have that on your next album...")
Not a big fan of the recording levels of the Steve Albini-recorded albums I've heard. The first Breeders album and Poster Children's awesome "Daisy Chain Reaction" album suffered because of that. And as I mentioned yesterday, I wasn't a big fan of In Utero.
Same here, only heard Spiderland for the first time a few years ago, at first I thought not my thing but I was intrigued and now like it. Never knew of Tweez before this episode of TLM.
Better to listen to Big Black ( Gang Of Four On Steroids ) over Slint ( Gang Of Four On Valium ) Steve Albini fronted Big Black & Produced the debut Slint album.
Check out Slint member Brian McMahan's previous band, Squirrel Bait; more of a Husker Du sound. I forgot how young these guys were when they started recording.
David Pajo, formerly of Slint and Tortoise, is now with Gang of Four on their current tour. He does a great job filling in for the late Andy Gill. Gang of Four is fantastic. Slint is good. I like their experimentation but would take Tortoise over them 95 times out of 100, which I suppose makes me very very cool but also very very pretentious.
Slint is a strange band. That's all I have to say. Not So Good Albums (2 Stars): 2. Tweez [A very ugly sounding album. Not many good songs on here.] Good Albums (3 Stars): 1. Spiderland [This sounds very different from their debut. Most of it is all right. Sometimes too boring though.] Top 5 songs: 5. For Dinner... 4. Darlene 3. Good Morning, Captain 2. Breadcrumb Trail 1. Nosferatu Man
@@josemorenorahn I love Mount Eerie and Kram had one of their albums winning AOTY in 2017 I think. But don't worry, I still think you're so much cooler than us.
@@TastesLikeMusic I was shocked to see that, especially considering A Crow Looked at Me (2016) is the more well-acclaimed album, but didn’t even get a mention in the video for that year. Now Only is still good though.
@@TastesLikeMusic At least there is hope then. I don't feel any cooler than anyone. I like Kram's reviews always. I just don't like when you just say something is trash and have no real reason why. You should do a Mount Eerie one then. It would be interesting to know which one you like best.
@@burmajones803 It'd be more hilarious if echos is a former member of Slint, which I don't know 🤷♂ maybe he is, otherwise I don't get the intensity of the response.
@@ryankramzer1256 Yeah, just like Milli Vanilli rules. And just about as interesting and inventive musically. The first DL albums were decent NWOBHM albums, the rest... hard plastic.
I am not enjoying the Kramzer/Joe feud. While I don’t often agree with Joe, I appreciate his perspective and feel he expresses it well. Kramzer, who I do tend to agree with more from a review and rating perspective, is starting to come across as a gatekeeper. I don’t care to hear your judgement and disdain of Joe’s reviews. I don’t agree with Joe’s reviews of Sonic Youth, PJ Harvey, Nirvana, Jane’s Addiction, or Slint, but I found his reasoning interesting and respect his differing perspective. Our tastes are subjective to our life experiences. It is what I like about this format. You are encouraging us all to listen along with you and make our own judgements. But perhaps Kramzer could tone down a bit and spend more time reviewing the album than he does reviewing Joe.
i articulated my reviews, joe just said he hated it and everything about it. most other commenters have noted his lack of actual reasoning on the slint review. you are a poor viewer and now my feud is with YOU
@@ryankramzer1256 hey Kramer love u brother I am a die hard 64 year old classic rocker who fav band all time is the almighty led but I appreciate new bands and all those bands are good zep rules all time
Never heard Tweez, Spiderland is a top 5 rock record of all time. It touches all the bases. It’s like Relationship of Command in how relentless it is but made by people who listen to the cure instead of prog. A seminal masterpiece, can’t imagine how boring indie rock would be without it. I’m also a sucker for their ripoff
@@TastesLikeMusic Joe, with all due respect, it does not matter at all. If the first album was dogshit and the second one was incredible nothing takes away from the second one.
Eh, no good. 2. Tweez (1989) ★ 1. Spiderland (1991) ★½ ★★★★★ - Masterpiece ★★★★½ - Really great ★★★★ - Great ★★★½ - Really good ★★★ - Good ★★½ - OK ★★ - Bad ★½ - Really bad ★ - Awful ½ - The worst Top 10 songs: 10. Don, Aman (1991) 9. Glenn (1994) 8. Breadcrumb Trail (1991) 7. Charlotte (1988) 6. Ron (1988) 5. Carol (1988) 4. Darlene (1988) 3. Good Morning, Captain (1991) 2. Warren (1988) 1. Nosferatu Man (1991)
I like Spiderland well enough. Cinematic, moody, atmospheric, as the commenter before me said. I also like many of the bands influenced by this album. Do not understand the level of vitriol levelled by the Cult of Joe. I mean, really, are your sensibilities really that offended by this stuff? Not a fan? Fine. But this stuff hardly warrants such hysterics and hatred. Jesus, I'd hate to see what you'd do with something worth hating. You guys would probably piss yr pants.
@@TastesLikeMusic ha. believe me Joe, I am hardly worried. just marvelling at all the stupidity on display here and adding my own stupidity to the shitstream.
I love Joe in this. Post-rock is absolutely just one of the worst and most hipsterish and pretentious genres of music, period. It’s pretty much guaranteed to always get glowing reviews and ratings and acclaim on places like /mu and RYM, so yeah, that’s a pretty big omen lol
The bro on the bottom might be the worst human being that I have ever listened to in my life. He should be put on trial for crimes against musical taste.
Fun fact I like about Slint is that PJ Harvey wrote them a letter asking if she could audition. It was never read by anyone in the band until after they had stopped making music/her own career took off
[citation needed]
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I think they were looking for a female singer to audition
I got heavy into Slint just out of high school and was immediately drawn in by the shadowy, mysterious atmosphere of their sound. Something very cinematic about their sound. At the same time I was also getting into other post-hardcore bands like Quicksand, Fugazi, Drive Like Jehu and Sunny Day Real Estate, so maybe I had a better context to place them than trying to absorb them in a void. Still, I enjoyed the conversation.
3. Tweez (7/10)
2. Slint EP (8/10)
1. Spiderland (10/10)
Tracks:
5. Glenn
4. Washer
3. Nosferatu Man
2. Breadcrumb trail
1. Good morning, Captain
Joe should start a spin off channel. " Tastes like Critically acclaimed and culturally significant music , I despise" or " Tastes like Music that hurts my ears " Lol
I mean at least I should have a show on it… - Joe
Jandek for episode one.
Someone should record Joe's review over Slint's music. i would seriously reassess their importance in the Post rock ethos ...and all that
That would sound kinda like Modest Mouse.
Hehe, that would be cool, kinda like Tool’s Message To Harry Manback or Metallica’s 1993 tour book with only negative reviews.
For some reason, when I looked at the list earlier in the week who was up for today, I thought I read it was the Slits, who are a 70's riot girl group from Britain, ala the Raincoats. Since you guys have taken a few interesting detours doing this channel, I didn't think much of it. Boy, was I surprised when I tuned in, since I was expecting something quite different. I need to pay closer attention I guess. Really looking forward to when you guys finally get around to discussing UB40 next week!!
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A UB40 week would be Jason's week to shine lol
U2, UB40...same difference
'Slint discography' has its own Wikipedia page...made me chuckle!
“No one cares about Nirvana…” peak Joe. 🤣🤣
That was one of my favorite moments from your channel ever!
He loves pushing peoples' buttons and teeing them off.
Since Steve Albini was mentioned in the video, I thought I would use that opportunity to list my favorite records that he has produced:
1. The Jesus Lizard - Goat (1991)
2. Pixies - Surfer Rosa (1988)
3. Screaming Females - Ugly (2012)
4. The Jesus Lizard - Liar (1992)
5. Songs Ohia - The Magnolia Electric Co. (2003)
6. The Breeders - Pod (1990)
7. Don Caballero - American Don (2000)
8. Cloud Nothings - Attack on Memory (2012)
9. The Ex - Turn (2004)
10. Bedhead - Transaction de Novo (1998)
HMs: High on Fire - Blessed Black Wings (2005); McLusky - Do Dallas (2002); Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Yanqui U.X.O. (2002); Dirty Three - Ocean Songs (1998); Helmet - Meantime (1992) and countless more… Too many to list.
love that Helmet lp. Played that to death when it came it. Think he produced their debut "Strap it on" as well, which is also killer. I read in an interview he loved English post punk legends the Gang of Four and they were a big influence on his sound. That was cool
Good call. Love the Jesus Lizard records in particular. Albini doesn't i think, get the credit he deserves at times. I really like alot of the music he's produced including his own. Just not Slint.
Great choices. almost too many to mention. I'm a huge fan of his work with Nina Nastasia, especially The Blackened Air. And The Ex are one of my top 50 bands. I've seen them a few times, including an awesome gig backing up Ethiopian saxophonist Getatchew Mekurya.
My favorite that he was involved with is probably For the Birds by the Frames. I don’t think he was technically the producer but “recorded by” -Jason
Bedhead is an all time classic band for me. Great after a breakup.
Well that was great. Joe's song list was probably my favourite part.
I have never been able to get into Slint. I've tried to listen to Spiderland a number of times over the years and I've never enjoyed the experience. A lot of what is written about it has always irritated me because I really don't hear what these people do who praise it. Oh well, I tried. All that usually comes of me listening to it is me being mad, so it's not worth it.
I will say that this has lead to lots of fun discussion and memes over the last few weeks so I can praise them for that.
2. Tweez - 2 (4)
1. Spiderland - 2.5 (5.4)
Songs:
Nah
Big Star would be perfect for the next time you decide to do this. I'll even get the ball rolling:
1. Radio City
2. #1 Record
3. Third/Sister Lovers
4. In Space
Spiderland is incredible. Joe is hilarious.
Slint is great. I remember hearing Breadcrumb Trail on WNUR in Chicago in 1991 and finding the CD back then. I knew they had a release before Spiderland but could never find Tweez. Now, you can find almost anything on the internet.
Also, if you guys ever do this again, consider My Bloody Valentine. They should annoy Joe. 😆
Slint is one of those bands I haven’t wrapped my head around yet, though I do appreciate what they were trying to do. maybe I’ll get there someday. I was able to get into Captain Beefheart even at his strangest points so I guess anything is possible
Slint rule! Loved this day, really great band. If only they had more albums, they could be an all-timer.
1. Tweez - 4
2. Spiderland - 4
Ugh Clay
They’re still an all timer. At least for me
I haven't listened to Slint in a couple of decades, but my vague memory of them would rate both 2.5. I may have to give them another listen; so many of my friends swore by them, back in the day. I am a big fan of Brian McMahan's previous band, Squirrel Bait, since hearing them on the great Wailing Ultimate comp. I also like some of the work these guys have done in other projects, including playing with Will Oldham.
I think Spiderland is a 5/5 album but Tweez is more like a 3 and it's possibly one of those situations where a band disappearing into the ether after a fantastic album just creates this unique legacy. As much as I love Spiderland - I'm not sure if they had continued that they would be able to make anything as good again. Lightning in a bottle? There's been other bands like that, Neutral Milk Hotel or even My Bloody Valentine comes to mind, even if the latter had a sequel album decades later.
I didn’t get Slint at all at first. But a friend recommended the DIY documentary on UA-cam called Breadcrumb Trail which I found fascinating. Now Spiderland is one of my favorite albums (not top 20, but maybe in the top 100). I love the spacious drum sound, and you can completely hear and connect those drums to Pod, by the Breeders.
Knew a guy in high school who wouldn't listen to music with vocals in it unless it was Slint or Nirvana.
Sounds like an interesting cat. Took me forty-some years to enjoy instrumental music. Wonder what that dude is up to now.
For Me I would avoid any music with vocals until just like two years ago and now I listen to a lot of music with lyrics. But I still prefer instrumental music to vocal music.@@burmajones803
I've never heard of Slint (math rock isn't really my thing), but this might be the most unintentionally funny episode of Listography/Tastes Like Music. Two albums hahaha. Can't wait till you guys do the Sex Pistols - I'm sure Joe will love that.
" There sure are a lot of covers on The Great Rock & Roll Swindle 👌 😀 "
I want a campaign to force Joe to listen to Double Nickels On The Dime
1. Spiderland (4.5 stars)
2. Tweez (2.5 stars)
1. Breadcrumb Trail
2. Washer
3. Nosferatu Man
4. Good Morning, Captain
5. Carol
Well this is turning out to be quite the week! 👍🏻
Yeah I'm not huge on Slint. It is funny how overhyped they are and people act like Spiderland is the greatest most influential album ever. They seriously think it's way ahead of it's time and I just don't see that. How could Spiderland have been that impactful when so few have heard the record? Especially when it came out it was ignored and even still so many other bands were doing the quiet/loud dynamic, odd tunings, weird structures.
Tweez seems kinda interesting so maybe it's one to spend time with but Spiderland is largely quite boring and uneventful. The talking is the most annoying thing but the guitars aren't that great either. Drums sound good though. And the ending is cool.
Never heard of Slint.
EDIT: I went and listened to their two albums. Ooph. First impressions: I’m with Joe.
You should've added their 10" Untitled EP - which is 15 minutes long and absolutely killer. PS - when dude with goatee ranked Stooges first album last, I immediately turned off that video. I almost fell out of my chair.
Loving the comments here. Hilarious. Great week for the channel i think. Listography Jnr concept is a good one. Lots of fun. Especially Nirvana and Slint. Love Kramzer and Jason, but Joe is definitely MVP this week
Never heard of them, but I'm checking them out now before watching.
Spiderland was a really important album for me back in the day and its influence on post rock is quite profoiund: 1. Spiderland 2.Tweez
Never heard of them, much less listened to them, but then I’m old. Not inspired to check them out now after this session. “Every song is named after their parents”. Wow. But always fun to watch these sessions. Thx, JPE
Oof. Poor Joe!
I discovered Slint maybe 12 years ago. I heard about them because of the 90s Norwegian weirdo black-ish metal band Ved Buens Ende, who cited them as an influence. In the 2000s VBE's drummer switched to guitar and they sort of put aside much of their more metallic qualities and morphed into the band Virus, who are also real good.
I really have listened to Spiderland a lot more. Need to give the other record some more time. I do really enjoy teh sparse, heavy, rhythmically fascinating sound, but totally get why someone might not as well.
1. Spiderland 2.5/5
2. Tweez 2/5
I'd never heard of Slint until this channel's Album of the Year series. Their albums have some decent playing on them, but are just not song-oriented/melodic enough to hold my interest. I didn't come across any tracks I'd be likely to revisit.
MY RATING SYSTEM:
5.0 = major classic (consistently great *and* stratospheric highs)
4.5 = minor classic (consistently great *or* stratospheric highs, but not both)
4.0 = great (more than 50% is worth revisiting and it's an essential record for this artist/style - passes my "it'll make a fan out of someone who's new to this artist" test)
3.5 = seriously good (more than 50% is worth revisiting)
3.0 = nominally good (less than 50% is worth revisiting)
2.5 = decent (competent but uninspired - not worth revisiting)
2.0 = poor (difficult listen)
1.5 = awful (can't finish it)
1.0 = historically awful (musical apocalypse)
*Note: "Consistently" does not mean "flawlessly." I allow for a few clunkers if the rest of the songs are good enough. Also, I don't go below 1 star because once I'm in the realm of the truly terrible I don't care to differentiate anymore.
I gave Spiderland a listen, fully expecting to hate it. I really didn't hate it.
It reminded me a bit of Patti Smith's Horses album, which I thought was revolutionary.
I would characterize this album as more reactionary than revolutionary. It seems like a reaction to rap to me. What happens when you use free verse poetry rather than rhyme and use the instruments to set the atmosphere rather than the beat?
I didn't hate it. I could actually grow to like it I think.
Hi guys, what’s up.
Unfamiliar with Slint (and most of Jane’s Addiction), but every episode is interesting and cool.
Kinda getting used to this pace, what about Lou Reed tomorrow..?
Or Moody Blues?
Or Van Morrison?
Or Clapton?
Or Jethro Tull?
Or Gentle Giant?
Or Van Der Graaf Generator?
Or Gong?
Or Melvins?
Or Helmet? (Steve Albini relation there)
Or Tool?
Or Deftones?
Or Chevelle? (again, Albini)
(Some of my favourite less-extreme metal music, this).
Or…. or…. Zappa? Miles Davis?
(this is fun!).
Tomorrow..????
02) Tweez (2 stars)
01) Spiderland (3 stars)
0 stars - irredeemably terrible/insultingly bad/the worst
.5 stars - terrible
1 star - bad
1.5 stars - pretty bad
2 stars - fair
2.5 stars - meh
2.75 stars - "It's OK, but quit playing it."
3 stars - OK/decent
3.25 stars - pretty good
3.5 stars - good
4 stars - very good
4.5 stars - excellent
5 stars - scattered remnants
notes:
*This is the strangest band choice the TLM guys have made yet. Never would I have guessed they would cover this band.
* I actually like some post rock, but this doesn't turn me on much.
* They often hit those Sonic Youth notes that sound off key which I don't appreciate.
* I think these albums have more merit as art than music. Some of these songs kinda take you on a weird journey that goes up and down, so that's kinda cool.
* There's a guitar figure in "Nosferatu Man" that is appropriately creepy.
* I likely won't be revisiting these albums. Not by choice anyway.
* Cheers mates!!!!!
I don’t get Slint at all, I laughed my ass off at Joe’s reviews. Keep up the good work Joe, stay true. 🤛
I have nothing to say about this band but commenting to aid the algorithm.
i tried. thank god it was only 2 records. I'm with Joe. Tedious, noisy, pretentious nonsense. my 'ranking " 1. Tweez . 2 stars. Spiderland 1 star.( i'm feeling generous today) .. don't like any of the songs in particular. Maybe Good Morning captain is passable...No. that song's garbage too. Worst band i've heard reviewed on this channel. great video guys. more Listography Jnr's please. this was Joe's greatest week. TLM rules for ever.
Joe is on fire 🔥 this episode with a review that is basically a more articulate version of NME’s review of LMFAO’s big album.
I tried with Spiderland again this week. Nothing. As a full album listening experience, I found it as boring as all the numerous attempts I've made in the past considering the high praise. I enjoy a couple of songs, particularly Washer.
They're often referred to as connected with slow core bands I love like Codeine or The Palace /Will Oldham records, but for some reason they don't fully connect with me. Maybe it's me. Curious to hear what's the view of the TLM guys and the commentors.
Joe's review of Slint was about 5 trillion times more enjoyable than listening to Slint.
Ranking the KILLING JOKE albums could be fun
They borrowed the concept from Flipper but lacked the POWER. Their albums sound like a rehearsal for Sex Bomb Baby with the volume turned down so that the neighbours do not get disturbed. If "pretentious" needs a description, why not look here? Or is it simply boredom?
3. Tweez 2,0 (The ideas are there, even if others had them before. The implementation of those ideas is on the level of a school workshop - again others did that before with the necessary skills. Can a 30 minute record be too long?)
2. Untitled EP 2,0 (Both tracks announce themselves big and dribble off into nothingness. And then it is over.)
1. Spiderland 2,5 (All the time I wish that Bruford and Fripp would step in to ignite these tunes. There is a vision far on the horizon but all they can do is to vaguely outline it for us as they lack any talent to capture it. After 39 minutes you are still waiting in the same place as before.)
None of their "songs" is worth noting.
I've enjoyed some noise rock and art rock -- Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Joan of Arc, Thinking Fellers Union, Book of Knots, Constants, and I'm sure I'm forgetting the majority of them. But just didn't really gel with Slint. I've had Spiderland in my collection for a couple of decades.
Ranking:
2. Tweez (1989)
1. Spiderland (1991)
Top 10 songs:
10. Ron (Tweez)
9. Good Morning, Captain (Spiderland)
8. Warren (Tweez)
7. Rhoda (Untitled)
6. Charlotte (Tweez)
5. Carol (Tweez)
4. Breadcrumb Trail (Spiderland)
3. Don, Aman (Spiderland)
2. Glenn (Untitled)
1. Nosferatu Man (Spiderland)
Top 10 songs is very optimistic.
@@Sir_Eyeball yeah lol. But i also think they more interesting than great
so here we are covering a band with 2 albums and slint is picked!
could have picked another perry farrell group but here it goes
2 tweez 1.0 stars [ this is as low as i go mostly]
1 spiderland 2.0 +
i heard the ep by accident and that was somewhat ok
top songs
that is the complete list
oh well as we gather here next week for a u2 show where i expect sparks will surely fly!🐯🐯🐯🐯🐯
I cannot think of any band that is further from flying sparks than U2.
Roxanne is incorrect
So, uh... I might be a Slint fan...
Nobody's perfect.
It's ok. The TLM cult accepts you and loves you anyway
Well, have a nice evening. 👋🏼
About time!
3. Slint
2. Tweez
1. Spiderland (masterpiece)
I know theres gonna be opinions i disagree with in this, but thank you for talking about this band anyway. Spiderland is in my top 3, and changed my life
I apologize in advance. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic Haha i would be more devistated if i didnt see it coming a mile away. Understandable though
Im from Louisville so im definitely gonna be partial but I dont get the hate, yeah it can be a bit slow in places and the vocals spoken word is niche but the ATMOSPHERE. I see a lot of comments calling them unoriginal, I can’t think of anything close to what they created.
@@curly_wyn matter of opinion ig
Atmosphere? How about actual songs instead?
@@curly_wyn difference of opinion, im not going to argue with strangers online
Okay, I did what I considered to be my duty and listened to a total of 6 tracks, 3 from each album, all taken from your favorites lists. That was as much as I could take. As for the rest, guys, whether you thought it was 4 stars or 0 stars, I'll take your word for it.
...can honestly say I've never heard of them...am I now intrigued ?...or irritatingly perturbed at wondering could I have missed something ??
Then I remembered I have to weed the garden and...who were we talking about ?
You're better off weeding the garden honestly.
Joe used his middle finger to indicate the number of stars for Spiderland
🤣😂😂
Is that Courtney Barnett on Kram's shirt
Sure is
Slint needed a vocalist- they had some really good lyrics & some interesting instrumental schemes but it goes for naught with the spoken word "vocals"
What’s wrong with the vocals?
@@pontush.1557 It’s not vocals. It’s literally just talking.
The spoken word vocals is what makes it work
Kentucky is for lovers
Kensucky
Listener suggestion: a guest host (friend, musician, youtuber, patron) asking you music trivia questions. I'm envisioning little white boards where you write your answers (or multiple-choice selection) and then reveal them. Given the amount of shit you all sling at each other whilst engaging in completely subjective activities, I think a little actual competition would be high entertainment. It would hinge on the questions though. For instance, you couldn't have someone continually grooving shoegaze fastballs that Kramzer hits out of the park. Food for thought, not that you guys need any help. Everything you do is worthwhile IMO.
At the end of one of the last songs on Tweeze you can hear the drummer taking a crap on tape
You guys should do more weeks like this by bands and artists from different decades. Cream comes to mind immediately. Nick Drake.
Oh we plan on it
Haven't listened enough, first impressions of Tweez 2.5 - 3, and Spiderland 4 - 4.5
Talking about "experimental"...
Jack White's new album Fear of the Dawn - is it experimental, is it good?
I would say, at least it is "interesting". He experiments a lot with new sounds and a lot of effects. But I am not sure if it is really an album - to me it sounds more like a collection of sound effects that wait for the incorporation in some context where they may fit.
At least, it is not as boring as much of his other stuff but I doubt that I will listen to it very often again...
(Thinking of White as a producer - this at times sounds like an advertisement to possible customers "see what I have in my trick bag, you can have that on your next album...")
He does have another album coming out in a few months. Maybe that’s the “good” one. - Joe
Not a big fan of the recording levels of the Steve Albini-recorded albums I've heard. The first Breeders album and Poster Children's awesome "Daisy Chain Reaction" album suffered because of that. And as I mentioned yesterday, I wasn't a big fan of In Utero.
Haven’t heard Tweez. Like Spiderland quite a bit; it is very unique, and in a good way! #savejoe #dontbreakupthedreamteam
Same here, only heard Spiderland for the first time a few years ago, at first I thought not my thing but I was intrigued and now like it. Never knew of Tweez before this episode of TLM.
Better to listen to Big Black ( Gang Of Four On Steroids ) over Slint ( Gang Of Four On Valium ) Steve Albini fronted Big Black & Produced the debut Slint album.
100% agree with this, Big Black over Slint always.
I don't get your description of them (and don't care much for Gang of Four) but Big Black is great.
Check out Slint member Brian McMahan's previous band, Squirrel Bait; more of a Husker Du sound. I forgot how young these guys were when they started recording.
David Pajo, formerly of Slint and Tortoise, is now with Gang of Four on their current tour. He does a great job filling in for the late Andy Gill. Gang of Four is fantastic. Slint is good. I like their experimentation but would take Tortoise over them 95 times out of 100, which I suppose makes me very very cool but also very very pretentious.
mr david , play ball!🥎🥎🥎🥎🥎 your a yankee fan right? go chicago south siders!!!🐯🐯🐯
1. Washer
2. Don, Aman
3. Good Morning, Captain
4. For Dinner…
5. Nosferatu Man
6. Breadcrumb Trail
7. Glenn
8. Charlotte
9. Carol
10. Ron
Slint is a strange band. That's all I have to say.
Not So Good Albums (2 Stars):
2. Tweez [A very ugly sounding album. Not many good songs on here.]
Good Albums (3 Stars):
1. Spiderland [This sounds very different from their debut. Most of it is all right. Sometimes too boring though.]
Top 5 songs:
5. For Dinner...
4. Darlene
3. Good Morning, Captain
2. Breadcrumb Trail
1. Nosferatu Man
First band you've done that I've never heard of. Hopefully the well isn't running dry?
No we just needed somebody with a short discography. - Joe
If you aren’t going to rank the studio albums of the Sex Pistols tomorrow, I’m going to be very disappointed
Rhoda
Don Aman
Tweez 1 star .(9)
Spiderland 1.5 stars (1.9)
I bet Joe hates Captain Beefheart & The Magic Band.
Guys, guys. Do MOUNT EERIE next.
I love Mount Eerie so much, I guess they would hate it.
@@josemorenorahn I love Mount Eerie and Kram had one of their albums winning AOTY in 2017 I think. But don't worry, I still think you're so much cooler than us.
@@TastesLikeMusic I was shocked to see that, especially considering A Crow Looked at Me (2016) is the more well-acclaimed album, but didn’t even get a mention in the video for that year. Now Only is still good though.
@@TastesLikeMusic At least there is hope then. I don't feel any cooler than anyone. I like Kram's reviews always. I just don't like when you just say something is trash and have no real reason why. You should do a Mount Eerie one then. It would be interesting to know which one you like best.
@@TastesLikeMusic 2018
Gave both a listen. Nope, nope, nope. Couldn't even find my name in the Tweez tracks to make that my favorite Slint song.
In that case, I bet Tool is your favorite band.
@@echosmyron1278 Sticks & stones, bud. Fine contribution there.
@@nightowl1851 echos' response was fucking hilarious. admit it.
@@burmajones803 It'd be more hilarious if echos is a former member of Slint, which I don't know 🤷♂ maybe he is, otherwise I don't get the intensity of the response.
@@nightowl1851 echo’s response was funny ,but your sarcastic “ fine contribution “ comeback was pretty good 👍
Joe has the worst taste of the 3 by far, no surprise here
You could be right, but You can’t tell that by a Slint ranking. - Joe
Joe,youre hilarious!!!
Have just been listening to the 2 Slint albums. Both first and last time in one shot. I’m with Joe here.
Who in the Blue hell are Slint? The Rock
Never even heard of this band.......thanks, guys.
Postscript: Yesh.....cool schtuff.......now why not Bedhead top ten?
Kramzer gets it, Jason does to some extent as well, Joe likes Def Leppard.
I like both Spiderland and Def Leppard.
Kramzer likes Def Leppard. - Joe
def lep rules
@@ryankramzer1256 Yeah, just like Milli Vanilli rules. And just about as interesting and inventive musically. The first DL albums were decent NWOBHM albums, the rest... hard plastic.
@@slaydesaid8741 milli vanilli were fake. Def leppard has a one armed drummer. Show some respect
I am not enjoying the Kramzer/Joe feud. While I don’t often agree with Joe, I appreciate his perspective and feel he expresses it well. Kramzer, who I do tend to agree with more from a review and rating perspective, is starting to come across as a gatekeeper. I don’t care to hear your judgement and disdain of Joe’s reviews. I don’t agree with Joe’s reviews of Sonic Youth, PJ Harvey, Nirvana, Jane’s Addiction, or Slint, but I found his reasoning interesting and respect his differing perspective. Our tastes are subjective to our life experiences. It is what I like about this format. You are encouraging us all to listen along with you and make our own judgements. But perhaps Kramzer could tone down a bit and spend more time reviewing the album than he does reviewing Joe.
Kramzer is our in-house agitator. He has a role. - Joe
i articulated my reviews, joe just said he hated it and everything about it. most other commenters have noted his lack of actual reasoning on the slint review. you are a poor viewer and now my feud is with YOU
I'll never understand this whole gatekeeper thing. Gatekeepers are often needed.
@@ryankramzer1256 dayum!
Respect!
How about haelstrom theory of a Deadman shinedown saving abel the alarm puddle of mudd i can keep going
We all hate Slint, but You’re not making a strong case. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic haelstrom is best band out there now not even close
Please don't keep going. Mentioning Shinedown already ruined my floors
@@ryankramzer1256 hey Kramer love u brother I am a die hard 64 year old classic rocker who fav band all time is the almighty led but I appreciate new bands and all those bands are good zep rules all time
@@paulschmidt3680 keep rocking my friend
Never heard Tweez, Spiderland is a top 5 rock record of all time. It touches all the bases. It’s like Relationship of Command in how relentless it is but made by people who listen to the cure instead of prog. A seminal masterpiece, can’t imagine how boring indie rock would be without it. I’m also a sucker for their ripoff
How do you have a top 5 record of all time and not listen to the other album by that band? - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic Joe, with all due respect, it does not matter at all. If the first album was dogshit and the second one was incredible nothing takes away from the second one.
@@derk486 Except there’s just one flaw with that: Neither of the albums are incredible.
@@curly_wyn I can agree with Tweez being a bit iffy at points but Spiderland is a masterpiece easily. But opinions opinions lol
Slint sucks. I hate stream of consciousness talk-singing. Best thing about the band is that sweet-ass Saab(?) on the cover of Tweez.
Saab for life. - Joe
Bullshit. I had a saab. It was a nightmare to maintain
@@ryankramzer1256 I had a “Saabaru” 9-2X. Basically a Subaru WRX with Saab label on it. Great, fun car, but I always coveted those old Saab 900s.
It is indeed a Saab, on river road
Eh, no good.
2. Tweez (1989) ★
1. Spiderland (1991) ★½
★★★★★ - Masterpiece
★★★★½ - Really great
★★★★ - Great
★★★½ - Really good
★★★ - Good
★★½ - OK
★★ - Bad
★½ - Really bad
★ - Awful
½ - The worst
Top 10 songs:
10. Don, Aman (1991)
9. Glenn (1994)
8. Breadcrumb Trail (1991)
7. Charlotte (1988)
6. Ron (1988)
5. Carol (1988)
4. Darlene (1988)
3. Good Morning, Captain (1991)
2. Warren (1988)
1. Nosferatu Man (1991)
Now do Temple of the Dog!
I like Spiderland well enough. Cinematic, moody, atmospheric, as the commenter before me said. I also like many of the bands influenced by this album. Do not understand the level of vitriol levelled by the Cult of Joe. I mean, really, are your sensibilities really that offended by this stuff? Not a fan? Fine. But this stuff hardly warrants such hysterics and hatred. Jesus, I'd hate to see what you'd do with something worth hating. You guys would probably piss yr pants.
It sucks. Don’t worry, there are dozens of people who live this crap out there. Probably all hanging out at Rate Your Music. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic ha. believe me Joe, I am hardly worried. just marvelling at all the stupidity on display here and adding my own stupidity to the shitstream.
When you Rank Young Marble Giants?🤭
Never
@@TastesLikeMusic ☺️
I love Joe in this. Post-rock is absolutely just one of the worst and most hipsterish and pretentious genres of music, period. It’s pretty much guaranteed to always get glowing reviews and ratings and acclaim on places like /mu and RYM, so yeah, that’s a pretty big omen lol
Fact: Spiderland is one of the best albums ever made.
That’s not a fact. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic It’s an opinion, Joe. A wrong one too, lol. :)
Spiderland - 2.5*
Tweez - 2*
No songs, not gonna listen through this again.
Slint is the worst garbage ever to enter my ears. The good news is that there's no way any of their songs can become earworms. This week was painful
Sorry, Gene. We’ll do better. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic I know you will. Stuff (and bad music) happens
Joe is completely clueless this time.
Slint is literally the worst band I’ve ever heard. They might be influential but they still suck. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusicyep, I agree.
Slint, a 5 star band. Both albums 10/10, would recommend
Slint ?
Slint.
Tweez less annoying? yeah okay lmao
I suppose Joe isn’t really into this..?
Are you sure?
Who?
slint
@@ryankramzer1256 who?
@@SuperClarky666 what?
Who the heck is Slint?? Lol..JOE JACKSON
Good morning captain ron charlotte nan ding nosferatu
Sure
The bro on the bottom might be the worst human being that I have ever listened to in my life. He should be put on trial for crimes against musical taste.
Slint is the worst band that I've ever heard of in my entire life, so we're even.
I'm with Joe. Not a fan.