Hi everyone! For those that watched the original posting of this video, I have made some slight edits to ensure that everything presented is as accurate as possible. I hope you find this useful 😊😊😊
Thanks for this Chaka. I was unnaware of this. Youre both right, they do make it seem one can be df'd for voting. I left some time ago, partly over a case of unreported child molestation in cambridge granta which i reported to the police myself. For those that think the org always reports CSA now, i personally know they often do not, if they ever do. I liked your first vid with Lloyd Evans and it made me angry to see the elders form that was shown. Id be happy to relate my experience about non reported CSA from last year if you ever needed.
This is only my second time voting in a presidential election. But my vote has been the elected president 💯% of the time so far. Wait…I might be the decider! 🤔 jk - Jason
I remembered that I was a young one,I remembered the overseer from the Platform as to write letters. These people are murderes,l truly hope you African brothers and sisters investigate how they have hid they truth.
Watchtower is the king of division. At 13 years old I met a girl who was a JW. We were in separatable until we graduated. Her mother guilt tripped her into not marrying me and marrying a JW she barely knew. Her mother told me “I was not one of them, her daughter is with someone else now, and it would be best not to contact her anymore”. He treated her like a slave and had no respect for her. She spent 24 miserable years with him. After 24 years of knowing nothing about her I had to find out about her. Long story short she divorced him, and we got married, having had 23 wonderful years together. Her mother passed away 3 years before we got back together. Love wins. Watchtower thrives on division by brainwashing their followers that that are better than everyone else.
Elders shepherding books says JWs make the personal decision not to vote. They, in so many ways, tell their members what their personal decision should be if you want to stay in good standing.
@@jwtruth The 1999 Watchtower, not the Elders' manual, says it's a personal decision not to vote. But you're right. JWs have to make personal decisions that align with the decisions of the Governing Body.
They say accepting a blood transfusion is also a personal decision. Any exjw knows how well making the wrong personal decision would go over. By the same standard, having sex with hookers is also a personal decision. Unless they physically force you it's a personal decision. It's all bs semantics. Don't be political! Write to Putin blah blah blah
There were individuals in the JW organization removed because they voted for Obama. No, it is not OK to vote a person into a political office. God's people are not part of this world. Jesus said at John 17:14 "I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world"
How can they say they are neutral in government matters? Jehovah's kingdom is political. All kingdoms are political. Did not the apostles VOTE for the next apostle when Judas hung himself? How hypocritical.
Confirmation bias at its best. A delegate of a foreign government cannot show loyalty another government without being accused of treason which is punishable by death. God's word is clear. True Christians have nothing to do with the world or its politics. (John 17:14) I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. Christians who feel they have to be loyal and support a foreign government will suffer the consequences. (Daniel 2:44) “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever"
Lets not forget that the elders are counting on members to not know the rules in their “secret” manual. So i believe they can and will go outside of what it says if they feel
The Watchtower of 1999 hasn't chance what they teach to the members all the tme. So you can also read in the Watchtower of 15.05.1964 that in some circumstances JW could go to the polls. Page 308 says: "Even in certain democracies the law makes it compulsory for the citizens to go to the election places. In no country do Jehovah’s witnesses take part in politics. They are not of this world. (John 17:14) Therefore they do not take part in voting at elections. They do not compromise their neutral standing in matters of politics, however, if they go to the polls and make the ballot void in some manner, either by crossing it out or by putting down, for example, the words “For God’s Kingdom.” That is telling what he is for. By doing this their ballot will become void; it will not count in the election of a man. They have complied with the law and gone to the polls and likely avoided punishment."
Might want to tell the whole story. It is not ok to vote but it is necessary to obey the law in some countries that does not mean God's people vote for men. Here is what the May 15 WT article said. "To mature Christians, the question of what attitude should be taken in the matter of political elections presents no issue. In totalitarian countries oftentimes people are forced by law to go to the election polls and sometimes persons are even picked up at home and brought to the polls. Even in certain democracies the law makes it compulsory for the citizens to go to the election places. In no country do Jehovah’s witnesses take part in politics. They are not of this world. (John 17:14) Therefore they do not take part in voting at elections. They do not compromise their neutral standing in matters of politics, however, if they go to the polls and make the ballot void in some manner, either by crossing it out or by putting down, for example, the words “For God’s Kingdom.” That is telling what he is for. By doing this their ballot will become void; it will not count in the election of a man. They have complied with the law and gone to the polls and likely avoided punishment. Remember Jesus’ counsel: “Look! I am sending you forth as sheep amidst wolves; therefore prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves.” (Matt. 10:16"
Non JW here. I do believe that you are responsible in part for the actions of the persons you voted into office. At least as far as you could expect these things at a time of voting. However, not voting does not absolve you of that responsibility. Instead, if you do not vote, it is equivalent to supporting the winner of the election, whoever it may be. Therefore, I believe that you should make your own conscientious decision about who you are voting for or not. Sometimes all you can do is to pick the lesser evil ,and that is fine.
I respectfully disagree with you here. Your vote does not matter. It’s an illusion of choice. Red vs Blue no matter who is just another cult. Set in place to distract and divide us all. So when you choose not to vote, what it’s saying is you won’t go along with the shenanigans of political theater. It does not mean you are responsible for the fake winner. If every person woke up from the illusion of politics and chose not to vote, the establishment would still put another puppet they want in place anyhow. It doesn’t matter. The entire system is rigged.
The top GB men of the JWS are inviting people into their tent of false prophesying apostasy, share in their sins of disloyalty to Jesus and Jehovah and become subservient to their established power to which they have created through their own inherent sins. ......and bring your money $$$ too if you don't mind
"The top GB men of the JWS are inviting people into their tent of false prophesying apostasy, share in their sins of disloyalty to Jesus and Jehovah ............." What are you are doing by bad mouthing the GB and the JWs? First you would need to know what the bible teaches before you could criticize anyone's bible teaching. (Matthew 11:25) At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children.
I don’t care if they like it or not. What I am concerned about was what Jesus himself said about being no part of the world and whether or not that includes voting.
What the hell are you talking about saying that they are "suggesting to destroy the ballot? I think it is saying you can vote or not, what you do in the polling booth is up to you and god.
I grew up in a Latin American Country that in until the late 90 to vote was mandatory for everyone, if you refuse to vote you weren’t allowed to do nothing, and the way they know back before the internet was with a little sticker they put in your ID, so the elders had to do a special speech in all the congregations saying that you have to go vote neutral so you don’t disobey the Cesar and you stupid sticker 😂, ridiculous
@@vestland3877 Effectively they expect you to spoil your ballot by writing something incoherent or putting a tick cross against several candidates... or maybe leaving it blank
JWs do not interfere with elections or get involved with politics. Daniel explains who will get involved (Daniel 2:44) “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever"
Does a government official work for a foreign government? Not if they want to live. Christians are members of God's government and would never defect for any reason. (1 John 2:15 ) "Do not love either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him" Satan the Devil and his demons are spoken of as “the ruler of this world” (Joh 12:31; 14:30; Eph 2:2) All the governments on this planet are under Satan's power is indicated by his offering them to Jesus Christ at the price of an act of worship. Is that who you want to support the king of the demons?
@@ronhansen8471 Then why respect them if they're of Satan? And why say that it's your individual choice if you want to vote or not? 🤔 💭 1 You respect Satan?
@@cultytalk Well , because the Bible admonishes Christians to obey the ruling powers until God puts an end to Satans system, otherwise you would have anarchy!
You are assuming that Satan was being truthful when he offered the kingdom to Jesus for an act of worship. Is Satan known to you to be truthful? If you believe Satan is the real ruler of this world, you have to respect that because rulership was given to him, not by man but by Jehovah. @Karl-dd4om
@@lawrencestoll6287 lol no I'm not. I'm going on what YOU said. Nothing more. YOU said Satan runs the government. I'm asking why you have to show "deep respect" (per the Governing Body) to Satan.
Sorry, but I think this time you both misunderstood this matter. Why did you look for "Apostasy" (That's a religious matter)? But voting isn't religious. Why didn't you look for "voting" or "neutral" "or "no part of the world"? I am kind of disappointed now. I translate this passage from the German Shepherd book into English, because I don't have the english one. Page 140: "Jehovah's Witnesses remain neutral in the political and military affairs of the nations. [...] Since true Christians devoted to God are ‘no part of the world’, a member of the congregation who continues to violate Christian neutrality and does not repent leaves the fellowship of the neutral Christian congregation through his behaviour." That means he isn't removed, that's true, but he dissociate himself. There is the "personal conscience" and then there is additionally the "Bible based conscience" (meaning a conscience conditioned by Watchtower).
@@Ottonio You clearly haven't watched the video to the end... Before making comments like "You both misunderstood" "I'm kind of disappointed" at least make an effort to watch the whole thing. We cover everything the Shepherd book says on disfellowshipping, disassociation and neutrality, which I'm not going to repeat.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns Ok. It might be that the passage I cited above is not anywhere in the current Shepherd book anymore. But in the Shepherd Book itself it is written that the list of the sins is not complete. So, I would strongly advice that you should not trust to be safe from disassociating yourself by accident if you are not ready. But it's up to you.
Hi everyone! For those that watched the original posting of this video, I have made some slight edits to ensure that everything presented is as accurate as possible. I hope you find this useful 😊😊😊
Thanks for this Chaka. I was unnaware of this. Youre both right, they do make it seem one can be df'd for voting. I left some time ago, partly over a case of unreported child molestation in cambridge granta which i reported to the police myself. For those that think the org always reports CSA now, i personally know they often do not, if they ever do. I liked your first vid with Lloyd Evans and it made me angry to see the elders form that was shown. Id be happy to relate my experience about non reported CSA from last year if you ever needed.
@@willvatcher1898 Hi Will, thank you for your kind words. Please email me at television2087@gmail.com and we can see where we go from there
Just registered! It’ll be my first year voting in the US!
@@karrimartin4550 Congratulations!
This is only my second time voting in a presidential election. But my vote has been the elected president 💯% of the time so far. Wait…I might be the decider! 🤔 jk
- Jason
@@DiffiCULTChildhood It's a good feeling knowing that your vote counts and that you have the power to hire and fire the people leading your country.
I'd like to quote Ruby, "SHUT UP. SHUT UUUUP!" 🤣 🤣 🤣 Yes, please shut up, Watchtower. 👏 👏 👏
Sharer in the sins of others ? Like they do by not reporting pedos to the police ?
So SO controlling they are.
I remembered that I was a young one,I remembered the overseer from the Platform as to write letters. These people are murderes,l truly hope you African brothers and sisters investigate how they have hid they truth.
Watchtower is the king of division. At 13 years old I met a girl who was a JW. We were in separatable until we graduated. Her mother guilt tripped her into not marrying me and marrying a JW she barely knew. Her mother told me “I was not one of them, her daughter is with someone else now, and it would be best not to contact her anymore”. He treated her like a slave and had no respect for her. She spent 24 miserable years with him. After 24 years of knowing nothing about her I had to find out about her. Long story short she divorced him, and we got married, having had 23 wonderful years together. Her mother passed away 3 years before we got back together. Love wins. Watchtower thrives on division by brainwashing their followers that that are better than everyone else.
@@chardandigitalstudios9123 What a story! Thanks for sharing and great ending
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@@leopoldtheseconed8526 Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate it🙏🙏🙏
Elders shepherding books says JWs make the personal decision not to vote. They, in so many ways, tell their members what their personal decision should be if you want to stay in good standing.
@@jwtruth The 1999 Watchtower, not the Elders' manual, says it's a personal decision not to vote. But you're right. JWs have to make personal decisions that align with the decisions of the Governing Body.
They say accepting a blood transfusion is also a personal decision. Any exjw knows how well making the wrong personal decision would go over. By the same standard, having sex with hookers is also a personal decision. Unless they physically force you it's a personal decision. It's all bs semantics. Don't be political! Write to Putin blah blah blah
There were individuals in the JW organization removed because they voted for Obama. No, it is not OK to vote a person into a political office. God's people are not part of this world. Jesus said at John 17:14 "I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world"
GB.. remain neutral. Also GB get the jab and mask
Excellent points Chaka and Ruby! Thanks for this video. - Jason
Thanks so much Jason🙏🙏🙏
I can't get over his goatee
How can they say they are neutral in government matters? Jehovah's kingdom is political. All kingdoms are political. Did not the apostles VOTE for the next apostle when Judas hung himself? How hypocritical.
Confirmation bias at its best. A delegate of a foreign government cannot show loyalty another government without being accused of treason which is punishable by death. God's word is clear. True Christians have nothing to do with the world or its politics. (John 17:14) I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.
Christians who feel they have to be loyal and support a foreign government will suffer the consequences. (Daniel 2:44) “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever"
Lets not forget that the elders are counting on members to not know the rules in their “secret” manual. So i believe they can and will go outside of what it says if they feel
They knock on peoples doors talking about the world’s conditions.
The Watchtower of 1999 hasn't chance what they teach to the members all the tme. So you can also read in the Watchtower of 15.05.1964 that in some circumstances JW could go to the polls.
Page 308 says: "Even in certain democracies the law makes it compulsory for the citizens to go to the election places. In no country do Jehovah’s witnesses take part in politics. They are not of this world. (John 17:14) Therefore they do not take part in voting at elections. They do not compromise their neutral standing in matters of politics, however, if they go to the polls and make the ballot void in some manner, either by crossing it out or by putting down, for example, the words “For God’s Kingdom.” That is telling what he is for. By doing this their ballot will become void; it will not count in the election of a man. They have complied with the law and gone to the polls and likely avoided punishment."
Might want to tell the whole story. It is not ok to vote but it is necessary to obey the law in some countries that does not mean God's people vote for men. Here is what the May 15 WT article said. "To mature Christians, the question of what attitude should be taken in the matter of political elections presents no issue. In totalitarian countries oftentimes people are forced by law to go to the election polls and sometimes persons are even picked up at home and brought to the polls. Even in certain democracies the law makes it compulsory for the citizens to go to the election places. In no country do Jehovah’s witnesses take part in politics. They are not of this world. (John 17:14) Therefore they do not take part in voting at elections. They do not compromise their neutral standing in matters of politics, however, if they go to the polls and make the ballot void in some manner, either by crossing it out or by putting down, for example, the words “For God’s Kingdom.” That is telling what he is for. By doing this their ballot will become void; it will not count in the election of a man. They have complied with the law and gone to the polls and likely avoided punishment. Remember Jesus’ counsel: “Look! I am sending you forth as sheep amidst wolves; therefore prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves.” (Matt. 10:16"
Non JW here. I do believe that you are responsible in part for the actions of the persons you voted into office. At least as far as you could expect these things at a time of voting.
However, not voting does not absolve you of that responsibility. Instead, if you do not vote, it is equivalent to supporting the winner of the election, whoever it may be.
Therefore, I believe that you should make your own conscientious decision about who you are voting for or not. Sometimes all you can do is to pick the lesser evil ,and that is fine.
I respectfully disagree with you here. Your vote does not matter. It’s an illusion of choice. Red vs Blue no matter who is just another cult. Set in place to distract and divide us all. So when you choose not to vote, what it’s saying is you won’t go along with the shenanigans of political theater. It does not mean you are responsible for the fake winner. If every person woke up from the illusion of politics and chose not to vote, the establishment would still put another puppet they want in place anyhow. It doesn’t matter. The entire system is rigged.
The top GB men of the JWS are inviting people into their tent of false prophesying apostasy, share in their sins of disloyalty to Jesus and Jehovah and become subservient to their established power to which they have created through their own inherent sins.
......and bring your money $$$ too if you don't mind
"The top GB men of the JWS are inviting people into their tent of false prophesying apostasy, share in their sins of disloyalty to Jesus and Jehovah ............." What are you are doing by bad mouthing the GB and the JWs? First you would need to know what the bible teaches before you could criticize anyone's bible teaching. (Matthew 11:25) At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children.
I don’t care if they like it or not. What I am concerned about was what Jesus himself said about being no part of the world and whether or not that includes voting.
Vote for Pedro haha anyone get the reference?!
Make yourself a quesadilla, Napoleon😆😆😆
What the hell are you talking about saying that they are "suggesting to destroy the ballot? I think it is saying you can vote or not, what you do in the polling booth is up to you and god.
I grew up in a Latin American Country that in until the late 90 to vote was mandatory for everyone, if you refuse to vote you weren’t allowed to do nothing, and the way they know back before the internet was with a little sticker they put in your ID, so the elders had to do a special speech in all the congregations saying that you have to go vote neutral so you don’t disobey the Cesar and you stupid sticker 😂, ridiculous
Crazy! Apparently what you do in the polling booth is "between you and your Creator".
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns 😂that’s right but they have to meddle on everything you do, thanks for your UA-cam channel 👏
Was there an option to vote blank?
@@vestland3877 Effectively they expect you to spoil your ballot by writing something incoherent or putting a tick cross against several candidates... or maybe leaving it blank
JWs do not interfere with elections or get involved with politics. Daniel explains who will get involved (Daniel 2:44) “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever"
They do not interfere
Does a government official work for a foreign government? Not if they want to live. Christians are members of God's government and would never defect for any reason. (1 John 2:15 ) "Do not love either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him" Satan the Devil and his demons are spoken of as “the ruler of this world” (Joh 12:31; 14:30; Eph 2:2) All the governments on this planet are under Satan's power is indicated by his offering them to Jesus Christ at the price of an act of worship. Is that who you want to support the king of the demons?
@@ronhansen8471 Then why respect them if they're of Satan? And why say that it's your individual choice if you want to vote or not? 🤔 💭 1 You respect Satan?
@@cultytalk Well , because the Bible admonishes Christians to obey the ruling powers until God puts an end to Satans system, otherwise you would have anarchy!
You are assuming that Satan was being truthful when he offered the kingdom to Jesus for an act of worship. Is Satan known to you to be truthful? If you believe Satan is the real ruler of this world, you have to respect that because rulership was given to him, not by man but by Jehovah. @Karl-dd4om
@@lawrencestoll6287 lol no I'm not. I'm going on what YOU said. Nothing more. YOU said Satan runs the government. I'm asking why you have to show "deep respect" (per the Governing Body) to Satan.
@@Karl-dd4om no u wouldn't
Sorry, but I think this time you both misunderstood this matter. Why did you look for "Apostasy" (That's a religious matter)?
But voting isn't religious. Why didn't you look for "voting" or "neutral" "or "no part of the world"? I am kind of disappointed now.
I translate this passage from the German Shepherd book into English, because I don't have the english one. Page 140:
"Jehovah's Witnesses remain neutral in the political and military affairs of the nations. [...] Since true Christians devoted to God are ‘no part of the world’, a member of the congregation who continues to violate Christian neutrality and does not repent leaves the fellowship of the neutral Christian congregation through his behaviour." That means he isn't removed, that's true, but he dissociate himself.
There is the "personal conscience" and then there is additionally the "Bible based conscience" (meaning a conscience conditioned by Watchtower).
@@Ottonio You clearly haven't watched the video to the end... Before making comments like "You both misunderstood" "I'm kind of disappointed" at least make an effort to watch the whole thing. We cover everything the Shepherd book says on disfellowshipping, disassociation and neutrality, which I'm not going to repeat.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns Ok. It might be that the passage I cited above is not anywhere in the current Shepherd book anymore.
But in the Shepherd Book itself it is written that the list of the sins is not complete. So, I would strongly advice that you should not trust to be safe from disassociating yourself by accident if you are not ready. But it's up to you.
@@Ottoniothe shepherding book is the word of men and not the word of God .
Where in the Bible does it say that Christians are not to get involved in politics or that they are not allowed to vote ?