I'm all in with the QJ♥️ on the flop. Especially with 2 players in the hand. Too many bad cards to fade, so I'll gladly take down the 360 already in the pot. Side note... I don't think he had K10 🤷
@dougmccuskerpoker I agree jamming multiway is the best option. Pot will be so big a multitude of hands/draws will call off and you don't have to sweat anymore decisions.
I would have played that the same way, Doug, good folds make you money in the long run. And admit it, assuming it was K 10 the villain played his hand very well. Nothing wrong in losing vs good players on their A game.
Hey Doug! Love the vlog! I agree with Zeus on the QJh hand! You have the nuts and there was $366 in the pot. So many cards can kill your action, so get it in before the turn. If they fold out you are still +$300 on the hand, the only hand free rolling you is QJc. Get it in while the getting is good! 👍 🫣🤪
I want to thank you for color correcting your videos. So many other vloggers, including the big name ones, don't seem to understand that the cards look yellow, and everything has a "smoker's teeth" look. Bravo!
17:45 - I'm surprised. I believe it's a very obvious call, to disallow any chance of a tight fold getting away from this. The most likely holdings that he could barrel the turn: any A, KQ, KJ, QJ, QT, JT, J9, T9, 89. (All of which only keep at most about 5% equity vs your current nuts). p.s. 22:30 Doug, I love your 2x pot jam here, and the logic behind it. I stand behind what I've said for a long time; I think you're the 1/3 vlogger champion 👊
Brilliant tell read on the flop, but check-jam is the maximum EV play, imho. It looks face-up to you, but you aren’t playing against the same caliber of player that you are. Over-thought it.
I think you have the right analysis on the situation and you needed to play the player. I also think it’s easier to make money than to keep it. In that situation there is a better spot upcoming. I think this was a good exploitative fold 90% of the time.
Congrats on the win Doug. Love the content as always. I had a good couple sessions yesterday at 2 different card rooms near me, playing 1/2 I ended the day up $645. I think we are all faced with tough decisions and end up with those hands that we think about later. 😂 and Zeus just needs the bone in his mouth 😂 he’s a tad too big to be in a bush looking for 2.
I’m probably one of a few that agree with the way you reason and play the QJ hand. I remember the old days watching Tom Dwan playing high stakes with the other super pros. I always admired the way he was willing to take some risk to slow play his nutted hand in situations like this, fully aware that if a brick card came on the next street he’d for sure get all of his opponents’ stack.
Yeah real creative. Good fold in a vacuum bad turn still almost picked it off good thought process and speech play maybe if you interrogated a bit further or you tabled your hand you might have got the info you needed. Interesting spot.
Zeus is think of that prime rib bone again Tough not to slow play nuts but there can be monsters under the bed and that 9 was a monster Thanks for the work
Hello Doug! Great vlog. I'm curious what you think of the fellow who claimed KT when you flopped the straight. It seems like you have a lot of flushes, when the 9c hits the turn. Did he think he was bluffing, or did he think his hand was good?
I don’t think that jamming with the nuts on the flop with big multiway action “so that I don’t have to make a decision” is a good strategy at all. You left yourself a 1:1 or less SPR on the turn so that you could save your stack when the worst card came
The pocket tens hand: when you flop bottom set multi-way there, and you un-block top pair, second pair and the straight draw, you should be betting MUCH bigger. At least $100. I actually like $120, and occasionally even over-betting.
Awesome vlog. QJ I would just call the flop I think. The turn is a disgusting spot obviously. Definitely not sold that he gad K/10. It’s possible but People lie so they don’t feel like they got owned.
@@Antzzz_Manzzz thank you, I like my line even though I knew many would disagree. If the pot was larger, I would jam. The fact I would be over betting after a double check raise looks soooo strong. Only his best hands should continue.
Love you going through your thought process on the QJ flopped straight hand. Would like to hear some of the math calculations that you do in making decisions like this,
Love your videos...posted a comment by accident in response top comment. Just wanted to add...i dont know your player pool there but i think you can eliminate QcJ from their range. Seems suicidal to jam thst turn when 2 people call a c/r on flop. Thanks for the vids.
I like giving rope as much as anyone but in that specific case I jam. When the pot has around a buy in I think it's OK to just take it down. You may get called light too by a combo draw.
True, 1-3 players rarely fold if they have anything good. I felt his play was better than most of the 1-3 field, so I thought he could get away from some of his weaker hands.
Straight is different then set because straight can’t improve to a better hand anymore, so it’s suitable to fast play it . With that wet board, flush draw, possible one liner straight can kill your action if your opponent has a K or some range of 2 pairs or set. On that turn I would have bet 40% pot to find if your hand still good , your opponent will not bluff you at that point because your pot committed. If your opponent show you a lot of aggression on the turn then you better fold with about 200 left and fight for another hand
Before you revealed your opponents hand, my decision while listening was to get it in on the flop. With 2 opponents I feel it's very likely you get one or both to put it in bad. I don't know these players, but we often forget that many players don't think or reason as well as we do, thus creating poor calls in these recurring spots. BTW I still prefer 2 bushes over a bone in the mouth. 😂
Gotta jam the flop after the re raise or just fold the best hand, calling isn’t the best move 3 ways on a draw heavy board. Sets are never folding and draws without pairs most likely will.. either way they have to be charged
Great vlog. Even if you believe your opponent (I tend not to unless I see the cards), the fold was close. Could your opponent ever have also had AcKx? If not, the fold was good. Occasionally (usually at the lowest staked game), players play AK very passively preflop (however 1/3 at Capital is not the smallest game in the room). I probably jam on the flop because there are a lot of bad cards for you, any K, T, or 9 brings in the boat. Any club brings in the flush, and any Q or J brings in a better straight and kills a lot of the action.
I trust my read in that situation, 99% sure he had at least 2 pair on the flop. I was not worried about the flush getting there, my concern was with the board pairing. The fact he lead when the flush got there made me believe he was more likely to have filled up.
In the QhJh, KdTd makes most sense (or 99) for the cr on the turn (vs K9), but very player dependent IMO. Very interesting hand. Would have pushed all in on the turn given how wet the board was, but understand the trade-off. It really was the worst card possible…keep up the great play
One other thought...when I flop the nuts but my hand can not improve im more inclined to bet early. That said IF I flat to trap then im going broke as im never folding after trapping. Please know youre a far higher level player than me just my two cents.
On the AQ hand, I was sitting next to him and saw the 8. On the QJ hand, in spots like that, I go with what my gut is saying in the moment - right, or wrong.
A bone in the mouth all the way. I don’t need to tell you how many times an ugly runout took me from winning a decent pot to losing a giant one. I love the first check call with the QJhh but I’m 10000000000% jamming after the other guy check raises. If he gets a lucky runout, at least you charged the max which is all you can do. Great video as usual and I hope the wins keep coming.
If my opponent bet larger on the check raise, i would just jam. Stack sizes were a little too big and I felt he could find some folds with his weaker 2 pair.
Maybe a non all in raise? I see your point and I know you wanted max value but that just brings us back to do you want to win the decent sized pot (mind you there was a good amount of money in there already AND you were up over $400 in the session already) or get sucked out on or get a disgusting turn that makes you want to relinquish the pot.
@ a smaller raise still turns my hand face up with better odds to draw. So it’s either all or nothing. I was 420 effective vs this player and 550ish against the other. The other player is very sticky. If a blank peals off and he has top pair, he is calling.
All 4 big hands are all ins in every 1/3 casino I’ve ever played in given the action they showed me. In 1/3, not many players are folding after they have put in 80-100 on the flop. Most are willing to gamble at that point. I’d have played your QJ the same way you played your other hands. You jammed those hands,with the essential nuts,and you got called. TBH, I think a little flaw in your game is that you don’t think about what your opponent puts you on. Your hands appear weak to these players ,which is beneficial to getting them to bluff you,but they aren’t in the hands to bluff,they have substantial equity in their minds against what you are telling them. I think it’s a fine line to analyze. Some people are happy to call, (QJ) flop bet multi-way,some people don’t want a scare card on turn and river to affect their decision making and they jam the nuts. I noticed jammed the other hands on the river and still got called. You didn’t jam with 2 cards to come. I think all hands were played well though. Just offering my perspective on your playing style and my experience in 1/3 games.
With my luck the flush or a full house would have stacked me lol. I think I would have jammed because of the stack to pot ratio. But in all honesty I think we can give our opinions but it’s not the same when you are on the table in the moment.
I would have jammed the flop and let the cards fall where they may. Can’t ask for anything more when you flop the nuts and people are piling on money for you. In this type of game it doesn’t matter if your line is unbalanced towards the nuts. If they got any 2 pair/set flush draw they’re not folding. You get max value from K10 and you don’t let him push you off the hand when a scare card comes and you show weakness. Seems like a rec who was deciding on going with his 2 pair regardless of the runout
I felt guy was playing K10 aggro having boat blockers. That being said, I would have jammed flopped, or planned to close my eyes and call turn on any card if villian jammed.
Are we the bones or the bush? That difference matters. I agree with your fold. You’ve got less than $140 invested in the pot and you'd be calling off your stack probably hoping for at best a chop based on your own assigning of his likely range. If indeed he's bluffed you than the fist bump is warranted, but I don't think he has.
@coachvaly not a flush. 2 points must be considered here in conjunction with each other to get this conclusion. Point 1: time stump 9:20 flop must be nuts with V #1. So: V1 has no flush draw! Point 2: V2 had no flush either. He is out on turn! There's no V3. So, no one has flush. A boat would not jam turn. Therefore, it's a crap! . This required an extrapolated, which is not easy to go for when on the line of fire. BUT, whenever something is weird, that's because the message does not fit the delivery! A message (I have a winning hand) sent by V, does not comply with what he delivered (unreasonable bet size).
@@mrhumble2937 K9 I think he is more likely to bet smaller, but T9 is likely to put it in and get action from a sticky K. I was confused by his jam because most full houses would probably not jam. He also didn’t seem scared of the flush arriving. In the end I didn’t think he would turn KT into a bluff enough for a call to be EV positive.
i like leading with made hands to let the bluffers/semi-bluffers raise me to see where I'm at so that I can re-raise the flop. (On the flop, bet ~$50, get raised to ~150-200, I feel good jamming especially with the flush draw there. With that horrendous turn though, my peepee woulda got real small! lol
You should ALWAYS be jamming that QJ. A set or a flush draw are never folding; as they only need 2:1. In a three-way pot, with money already invested, only two pair would ever fold there
The question of the bone in the mouth vs. in the bush. Can you calculate how much more money you will win if a brick comes on the turn vs. what you will lose if a bad card for you comes. Then can you calculate the EV in each situation and make a mathematical decision.
Zeus thought that was a ruff spot and was pawsitive that your opponent caught his fr(isb)ee card out the back door outs(ide). Zeus thinks he either caught his bone or flushed the toilet bowl so Zeus didn’t want to eat from that hand because it wasn’t peanut butter nuts anymore
what double check raise are you talking about on the QJs hand? there was a check raise and 2 callers (the other guy and you). Not jamming the flop gets you in trouble on later streets so you also want fold equity on your side for protection. That guy used his position and messed with you. You overvalue the low stakes players, unless you know that guy is a pro and capable of folding big hands do no trap..... remember scared money don't make money.
QJhh: I jam the flop not bc I am afraid of bad cards but bc I have the best possible hand and want someone to get all-in with me while he thinks that he might have the best hands or outs.
the statement at 5:56 and a statement at 6:50 are in contradiction. (If your reading says he is very interesting in the pot, then he cannot be as weak).
Even with hindsight being 20/20 I admire your fold but i think Zeus was right. You said you were playing your hand like a flush draw which he might have thought and with top two on the turn why not jam to make a too costly for a flush draw?...this is not to degrade the player but i dont think he was thinking on the same level as you....sometimes us rec players just see our hand as the nuts and want to avoid the monsters under the bed....sometimes it is better to make decisions on the flop that make decisions on later streets easy or make the hand dummy proof as my friend calls it 😂😂
Yeah, there were some conflicting input. Would he jam with a full house or bet smaller to entice weaker hands to payoff. Didn’t seem scared of the flush, but he may have felt he was going with it no matter what.
Yeah sorry but I would have check raised really big on the flop. There’s no god damn way I would ever played like you would. That was so badly played. And for the set of 10s the flop bet was so little that you’re inviting all the open ender and gut shots to call. Picking up live tells when you’re trying to trap on a very wet and dynamic board is the worst thing you can do to in your spot.
10 minute analysis on how not to play a flopped straight. All those poker books in your intro and none of them say to slow play flopped straights against fish in low stakes.
Doug! I certainly don't throw away a flop line. After the flop, I bet at least 40 percent of the pot. If the opponent wins against me with a flush or a full house. Then I'll take that on.
16:12 it's a pure call. A boat would not jam the turn out of blue. Neither would a nut flush. For the same reason why a straight has not jammed the flop! Why would a nutted hand wanted to extract max on turn while there is a one more card to come?? And with 2 opponents in the field, the best strategy is to keep them both in. Rather than killing a golden goose?? _EDIT: Rather than killing 2 golden gees!_ Obviously, that was a protection pot bet KT (against 2 opponents). It worked! Great play by Villain.
@@pot_kivach160 I was confused by the play, I thought he wouldn’t jam a full house. He also didn’t seemed worried about the flush getting there. That was my dilemma. My read was that he thought he was good. He was a new player to me, only watched him play for 2 hours. In the end, I didn’t feel he would turn KT into a bluff often enough to warrant the call.
I'm all in with the QJ♥️ on the flop. Especially with 2 players in the hand. Too many bad cards to fade, so I'll gladly take down the 360 already in the pot. Side note... I don't think he had K10 🤷
I disagree. In these multiway spots you can definitely call to avoid a fortune reversal on the turn and/or or river.
Totally agree on both points.
Jamming flop when it gets back to him looks like a draw. Small raise looks super strong.
Jamming is fine, I thought that it looked so strong that my opponent might be able to find some folds with 2 pair.
@dougmccuskerpoker I agree jamming multiway is the best option. Pot will be so big a multitude of hands/draws will call off and you don't have to sweat anymore decisions.
I'm with Zeus - a bone in the mouth is ALWAYS worth getting up in the morning for. 🤭😎👍
Thanks for another great vlog, Doug!
Absolutely
Another great vlog, Doug! Keep them coming!! Yo Zeus!!!
@@CoolHandC thanks
I would have played that the same way, Doug, good folds make you money in the long run. And admit it, assuming it was K 10 the villain played his hand very well. Nothing wrong in losing vs good players on their A game.
Jamming flop is an easier way of playing the hand, but I still believe my line was the greatest EV in the long run.
Hey Doug! Love the vlog! I agree with Zeus on the QJh hand! You have the nuts and there was $366 in the pot. So many cards can kill your action, so get it in before the turn. If they fold out you are still +$300 on the hand, the only hand free rolling you is QJc. Get it in while the getting is good! 👍 🫣🤪
Nice job Doug I think checking the turn got you the maximum amount 😂❤
The QJ hand you made so many “what he could haves” you covered the deck. We got it
Love the videos! I can’t play often, so I’m just living vicariously through you.
Glad you enjoy it!
I want to thank you for color correcting your videos. So many other vloggers, including the big name ones, don't seem to understand that the cards look yellow, and everything has a "smoker's teeth" look. Bravo!
Thanx again for the insights Mr. McCusker!!!
My pleasure
Greetings people of Dougs Poker world!! and Doug and Zeus!!lol, hope youre all well, best regards from the UK. all good here, Fraser
17:45 - I'm surprised. I believe it's a very obvious call, to disallow any chance of a tight fold getting away from this. The most likely holdings that he could barrel the turn: any A, KQ, KJ, QJ, QT, JT, J9, T9, 89. (All of which only keep at most about 5% equity vs your current nuts). p.s. 22:30 Doug, I love your 2x pot jam here, and the logic behind it. I stand behind what I've said for a long time; I think you're the 1/3 vlogger champion 👊
Brilliant tell read on the flop, but check-jam is the maximum EV play, imho. It looks face-up to you, but you aren’t playing against the same caliber of player that you are. Over-thought it.
I think you have the right analysis on the situation and you needed to play the player. I also think it’s easier to make money than to keep it. In that situation there is a better spot upcoming. I think this was a good exploitative fold 90% of the time.
Great content Doug.
Thank you
What a great week!!! Tuesday was especially awesome!!!
Tuesday was frustrating for me, most of my bluffs failed.
Finally got here good luck
Thank you
Yaaaayyyy I love learning poker
We are all learning 24/7
Congrats on the win Doug. Love the content as always. I had a good couple sessions yesterday at 2 different card rooms near me, playing 1/2 I ended the day up $645. I think we are all faced with tough decisions and end up with those hands that we think about later. 😂 and Zeus just needs the bone in his mouth 😂 he’s a tad too big to be in a bush looking for 2.
lol. Zeus wants it all.
I’m probably one of a few that agree with the way you reason and play the QJ hand. I remember the old days watching Tom Dwan playing high stakes with the other super pros. I always admired the way he was willing to take some risk to slow play his nutted hand in situations like this, fully aware that if a brick card came on the next street he’d for sure get all of his opponents’ stack.
This line IMO is correct in most games, but 1-3 players do call to wide so jamming flop is a reasonable play. 😢
Great analysis.
Jam the flop. Too many bad turn cards and against 2 players
Yeah real creative. Good fold in a vacuum bad turn still almost picked it off good thought process and speech play maybe if you interrogated a bit further or you tabled your hand you might have got the info you needed. Interesting spot.
Zeus is think of that prime rib bone again Tough not to slow play nuts but there can be monsters under the bed and that 9 was a monster Thanks for the work
Hello Doug! Great vlog.
I'm curious what you think of the fellow who claimed KT when you flopped the straight.
It seems like you have a lot of flushes, when the 9c hits the turn.
Did he think he was bluffing, or did he think his hand was good?
He probably thought his hand was good on the flop and didn’t know what to do on the turn
I don’t think that jamming with the nuts on the flop with big multiway action “so that I don’t have to make a decision” is a good strategy at all. You left yourself a 1:1 or less SPR on the turn so that you could save your stack when the worst card came
I would have jammed the flop. As played I would have folded the turn.
The pocket tens hand: when you flop bottom set multi-way there, and you un-block top pair, second pair and the straight draw, you should be betting MUCH bigger. At least $100. I actually like $120, and occasionally even over-betting.
Agreed. Should always be jamming here on flop.
Awesome vlog. QJ I would just call the flop I think. The turn is a disgusting spot obviously. Definitely not sold that he gad K/10. It’s possible but People lie so they don’t feel like they got owned.
You played qj very well. Even at the River, it’s the best option to fold in the long run.
@@Antzzz_Manzzz thank you, I like my line even though I knew many would disagree. If the pot was larger, I would jam. The fact I would be over betting after a double check raise looks soooo strong. Only his best hands should continue.
@@dougmccuskerpoker yes, the double check raise screams “I’ve got the nut” and at best 2-5% bluff
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Love you going through your thought process on the QJ flopped straight hand. Would like to hear some of the math calculations that you do in making decisions like this,
I agree with your call on the flop and also your fold on the turn. I don’t know this player, but his betting tells me he had a full house.
I was sure he had 2 pair or better on the flop. I wasn’t worried about the flush draw, but that turn made a lot of full houses in his range.
I think I did the nice raised on that hand see you around
Love your videos...posted a comment by accident in response top comment. Just wanted to add...i dont know your player pool there but i think you can eliminate QcJ from their range. Seems suicidal to jam thst turn when 2 people call a c/r on flop. Thanks for the vids.
I think you played it well, but had you jammed in the flop, that was on too.
The real mistake would have been to call as played.
Great video as always
Minute 16: I think he had AK with the ace in cross !! You should race the flop all in or big
_5:14__ "first player" limps...__5:18__ we get raise by "player at end of table"..._ Do these players have a hand position?
I like giving rope as much as anyone but in that specific case I jam. When the pot has around a buy in I think it's OK to just take it down. You may get called light too by a combo draw.
True, 1-3 players rarely fold if they have anything good. I felt his play was better than most of the 1-3 field, so I thought he could get away from some of his weaker hands.
You overlooked AK with the A of clubs.
Straight is different then set because straight can’t improve to a better hand anymore, so it’s suitable to fast play it . With that wet board, flush draw, possible one liner straight can kill your action if your opponent has a K or some range of 2 pairs or set. On that turn I would have bet 40% pot to find if your hand still good , your opponent will not bluff you at that point because your pot committed. If your opponent show you a lot of aggression on the turn then you better fold with about 200 left and fight for another hand
One in the hand always
I was greedy, but greed is good 😀
@@dougmccuskerpoker greediness make a guy fearfully fold a winning hand.
@ any non pairing turn, greediness would get me all in with the best hand. I was not afraid of the flush draw, only one he could have was QJcc
Before you revealed your opponents hand, my decision while listening was to get it in on the flop. With 2 opponents I feel it's very likely you get one or both to put it in bad. I don't know these players, but we often forget that many players don't think or reason as well as we do, thus creating poor calls in these recurring spots. BTW I still prefer 2 bushes over a bone in the mouth. 😂
@@dougmorgan4459 thanks Doug, if you were the check raiser, I would jam out of fear you would out play me. 2 in the bush sounds good to me 😀
Gotta jam the flop after the re raise or just fold the best hand, calling isn’t the best move 3 ways on a draw heavy board. Sets are never folding and draws without pairs most likely will.. either way they have to be charged
Hogs get slaughtered, pigs get fed.
Great vlog. Even if you believe your opponent (I tend not to unless I see the cards), the fold was close. Could your opponent ever have also had AcKx? If not, the fold was good. Occasionally (usually at the lowest staked game), players play AK very passively preflop (however 1/3 at Capital is not the smallest game in the room). I probably jam on the flop because there are a lot of bad cards for you, any K, T, or 9 brings in the boat. Any club brings in the flush, and any Q or J brings in a better straight and kills a lot of the action.
I trust my read in that situation, 99% sure he had at least 2 pair on the flop. I was not worried about the flush getting there, my concern was with the board pairing. The fact he lead when the flush got there made me believe he was more likely to have filled up.
in line with previous analysis, this is a FOLD.
In the QhJh, KdTd makes most sense (or 99) for the cr on the turn (vs K9), but very player dependent IMO. Very interesting hand. Would have pushed all in on the turn given how wet the board was, but understand the trade-off. It really was the worst card possible…keep up the great play
Great to keep your bones 😉.
One other thought...when I flop the nuts but my hand can not improve im more inclined to bet early. That said IF I flat to trap then im going broke as im never folding after trapping. Please know youre a far higher level player than me just my two cents.
According to Gordon Gekko greed is good. Nice session.
My thoughts exactly
On the AQ hand, I was sitting next to him and saw the 8. On the QJ hand, in spots like that, I go with what my gut is saying in the moment - right, or wrong.
Never argue with Zeus! NEVER!!!
He is not perfect, but he is better than me 😀
A bone in the mouth all the way. I don’t need to tell you how many times an ugly runout took me from winning a decent pot to losing a giant one. I love the first check call with the QJhh but I’m 10000000000% jamming after the other guy check raises. If he gets a lucky runout, at least you charged the max which is all you can do. Great video as usual and I hope the wins keep coming.
If my opponent bet larger on the check raise, i would just jam. Stack sizes were a little too big and I felt he could find some folds with his weaker 2 pair.
Maybe a non all in raise? I see your point and I know you wanted max value but that just brings us back to do you want to win the decent sized pot (mind you there was a good amount of money in there already AND you were up over $400 in the session already) or get sucked out on or get a disgusting turn that makes you want to relinquish the pot.
@ a smaller raise still turns my hand face up with better odds to draw. So it’s either all or nothing. I was 420 effective vs this player and 550ish against the other. The other player is very sticky. If a blank peals off and he has top pair, he is calling.
All 4 big hands are all ins in every 1/3 casino I’ve ever played in given the action they showed me.
In 1/3, not many players are folding after they have put in 80-100 on the flop.
Most are willing to gamble at that point.
I’d have played your QJ the same way you played your other hands. You jammed those hands,with the essential nuts,and you got called.
TBH, I think a little flaw in your game is that you don’t think about what your opponent puts you on.
Your hands appear
weak to these players ,which is beneficial to getting them to bluff you,but they aren’t in the hands to bluff,they have substantial equity in their minds against what you are telling them.
I think it’s a fine line to analyze. Some people are happy to call, (QJ) flop bet multi-way,some people don’t want a scare card on turn and river to affect their decision making and they jam the nuts.
I noticed jammed the other hands on the river and still got called. You didn’t jam with 2 cards to come.
I think all hands were played well though.
Just offering my perspective on your playing style and my experience in 1/3 games.
With my luck the flush or a full house would have stacked me lol. I think I would have jammed because of the stack to pot ratio. But in all honesty I think we can give our opinions but it’s not the same when you are on the table in the moment.
It is tough to make that call in the moment, and sometimes you just have to trust your gut.
"there's a 10 dollar straddle and the next player limps...." poker nirvana lol
I agree with Zeus and would have jammed flop. Pot was big enough
I would have jammed the flop and let the cards fall where they may. Can’t ask for anything more when you flop the nuts and people are piling on money for you. In this type of game it doesn’t matter if your line is unbalanced towards the nuts. If they got any 2 pair/set flush draw they’re not folding. You get max value from K10 and you don’t let him push you off the hand when a scare card comes and you show weakness. Seems like a rec who was deciding on going with his 2 pair regardless of the runout
I felt guy was playing K10 aggro having boat blockers. That being said, I would have jammed flopped, or planned to close my eyes and call turn on any card if villian jammed.
Are we the bones or the bush? That difference matters.
I agree with your fold. You’ve got less than $140 invested in the pot and you'd be calling off your stack probably hoping for at best a chop based on your own assigning of his likely range. If indeed he's bluffed you than the fist bump is warranted, but I don't think he has.
Only one person knows, I think my line is fine, of course jamming makes life less difficult
Jam the QJ, when it’s all said and done you’re playing 1/3. More times than not there isn’t many neurons firing at the 1/3 tables
lol, that is true
Put the guy on trip 9s with the nut flush draw so if your calling the flop raise calling of his jam on the turn
@@johnweller3487 very unusual for someone who is closing the action to reopen it with a draw. He had a made hand.
Are you related to Matt. From Matt and shanes secret podcast?
It’s a call bc boat will never jam on the turn
exactly! For the same reason that a straight did not jam the flop!
So: (that was a) BAD fold on turn!
and what if the villain showed up with a flush? his mistake was not jamming the flop not on the turn......
@coachvaly not a flush. 2 points must be considered here in conjunction with each other to get this conclusion.
Point 1: time stump 9:20 flop must be nuts with V #1. So: V1 has no flush draw!
Point 2: V2 had no flush either. He is out on turn!
There's no V3. So, no one has flush. A boat would not jam turn. Therefore, it's a crap!
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This required an extrapolated, which is not easy to go for when on the line of fire. BUT, whenever something is weird, that's because the message does not fit the delivery! A message (I have a winning hand) sent by V, does not comply with what he delivered (unreasonable bet size).
Two bushes in the hand.
Does he go all in witb K 9?
@@mrhumble2937 K9 I think he is more likely to bet smaller, but T9 is likely to put it in and get action from a sticky K. I was confused by his jam because most full houses would probably not jam. He also didn’t seem scared of the flush arriving. In the end I didn’t think he would turn KT into a bluff enough for a call to be EV positive.
i like leading with made hands to let the bluffers/semi-bluffers raise me to see where I'm at so that I can re-raise the flop. (On the flop, bet ~$50, get raised to ~150-200, I feel good jamming especially with the flush draw there. With that horrendous turn though, my peepee woulda got real small! lol
2 in the bush goddamn
You should ALWAYS be jamming that QJ. A set or a flush draw are never folding; as they only need 2:1. In a three-way pot, with money already invested, only two pair would ever fold there
i dont think he has K10. 99 percent of people at 1/3 arnt capable of making that jam with K10 as as bluff. but yeah, im Allen Iverson on the flop.
My favorite vlogger, been with you since the beginning, but almost a 12 minute analysis on one hand is overkill.
Thanks
The question of the bone in the mouth vs. in the bush. Can you calculate how much more money you will win if a brick comes on the turn vs. what you will lose if a bad card for you comes. Then can you calculate the EV in each situation and make a mathematical decision.
Uh, I thought it was a pig in a poke?
VS. Bird in the hand! Hahhah!
Zeus thought that was a ruff spot and was pawsitive that your opponent caught his fr(isb)ee card out the back door outs(ide). Zeus thinks he either caught his bone or flushed the toilet bowl so Zeus didn’t want to eat from that hand because it wasn’t peanut butter nuts anymore
what double check raise are you talking about on the QJs hand? there was a check raise and 2 callers (the other guy and you). Not jamming the flop gets you in trouble on later streets so you also want fold equity on your side for protection. That guy used his position and messed with you.
You overvalue the low stakes players, unless you know that guy is a pro and capable of folding big hands do no trap..... remember scared money don't make money.
QJhh: I jam the flop not bc I am afraid of bad cards but bc I have the best possible hand and want someone to get all-in with me while he thinks that he might have the best hands or outs.
Jam the flop!!!
the statement at 5:56 and a statement at 6:50 are in contradiction. (If your reading says he is very interesting in the pot, then he cannot be as weak).
@@pot_kivach160 true, that’s why I believed he was planning on jamming any blank and apparently any 9c
Even with hindsight being 20/20
I admire your fold but i think Zeus was right. You said you were playing your hand like a flush draw which he might have thought and with top two on the turn why not jam to make a too costly for a flush draw?...this is not to degrade the player but i dont think he was thinking on the same level as you....sometimes us rec players just see our hand as the nuts and want to avoid the monsters under the bed....sometimes it is better to make decisions on the flop that make decisions on later streets easy or make the hand dummy proof as my friend calls it 😂😂
The tell is he was counting out his chips
@@Frosty2211 it’s a compound tell, several things done together in sequence.
@ very interesting. I’d love for you to go a little more into some detail at some point without giving away too much to your opposition.
Jack clubs
He may have said he had K10 but probably had KK or K9. Too strong a board to run a bluff!
Yeah, there were some conflicting input. Would he jam with a full house or bet smaller to entice weaker hands to payoff. Didn’t seem scared of the flush, but he may have felt he was going with it no matter what.
I dont believe the K-10 story...
AK w/ A[c]
I put him on qj or trips...
Yeah sorry but I would have check raised really big on the flop. There’s no god damn way I would ever played like you would. That was so badly played. And for the set of 10s the flop bet was so little that you’re inviting all the open ender and gut shots to call. Picking up live tells when you’re trying to trap on a very wet and dynamic board is the worst thing you can do to in your spot.
I said 9 of clubs!!!
REALLY hard to argue with a talking dog but I like ur play...
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#morezeus
Only hand you beat isace 9
@@earlcrosby8352 KT suited is the only hand he could play this way that I beat.
10 minute analysis on how not to play a flopped straight. All those poker books in your intro and none of them say to slow play flopped straights against fish in low stakes.
He did not have KT. That is obviously a lie.
I like the QJ play
Doug! I certainly don't throw away a flop line. After the flop, I bet at least 40 percent of the pot. If the opponent wins against me with a flush or a full house. Then I'll take that on.
too much talk!
Is wrong
16:12 it's a pure call. A boat would not jam the turn out of blue. Neither would a nut flush. For the same reason why a straight has not jammed the flop! Why would a nutted hand wanted to extract max on turn while there is a one more card to come?? And with 2 opponents in the field, the best strategy is to keep them both in. Rather than killing a golden goose?? _EDIT: Rather than killing 2 golden gees!_
Obviously, that was a protection pot bet KT (against 2 opponents). It worked! Great play by Villain.
@@pot_kivach160 I was confused by the play, I thought he wouldn’t jam a full house. He also didn’t seemed worried about the flush getting there. That was my dilemma. My read was that he thought he was good. He was a new player to me, only watched him play for 2 hours. In the end, I didn’t feel he would turn KT into a bluff often enough to warrant the call.