You Don't Need a 0° Sleeping Bag
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- You Don't Need a Zero Degree Sleeping Bag. You can get to sub zero temperatures by layering two backpacking quilts or a quilt on top of a sleeping bag.
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As someone who has live year-round outside in Alaska multiple Winters, please stop giving advice
@@mydogatemyhomework3768i am looking for a quality light weight winter sleeping bag do you have any recommendations
@@carolmaplesden916 rei nod pod. -20 BAG
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@@icejackalgodofmetal14they are communist just like Facebook and Instagram etc.
I just use a negative 50 bag all year! It saves money and in the summer its great because I can cook with it too.
You cook yourself :p
Do a little crotch pot cooking.
@@stanleyshostak2737 hot pants? ;D
😂
@@stanleyshostak2737 eww lmao
If you're an inexperienced winter backpacker, please don't believe that a 40 bag draped over your 20 bag gets you to -10.
i also think the "2 bags crushes insulation" argumewnt. sounds like BS to me
I just looked up the 2 bags crushes insulation and confirm it’s false
The guy talks with so much certainty in his videos but is full of it
The bag inside a bag works, however throwing a quilt over a bag is a dumb idea at zero degrees TBH.
Im baked as shit and cant even begin to imagine how that math checks out.
I've been layering sleeping bags for over 30 years. It does work. If you don't believe me, ask anyone who's served in the US military. MSS.
Yep, it works great for me too.
Or just buy a good bag and never worry about it again, take it from a guy who cheaped out the first time, blankets and other extra layers have a bad tendency to move when you sleep, and it's a pretty crap experience to wake up because you kicked the second layer off and it's 5 degrees
The problem with this method that most don’t consider is a bag is rated for not only temp but breathability. The manufacturer didn’t figure on extra insulation and layers of fabric covering the rated bag. This method corrupts the venting of body moisture associated with the bag rating, and that in turn causes unnecessary moisture to build up.
So then don’t wear as many extra layers if you’re going to start overheating and sweating in them
@@nabranestwistypuzzler7019 do the letters FO mean anything to you?
@@kookiemooseah nature, bringing people together
@nabranestwistypuzzler7019 you have a point but as we know it gets hard to change inside
You do not need a car that goes 70 miles per hour. A lot of people don't know you can layer vehicles, so you can use one car that goes 30 miles an hour, and set that on top of another car going 40 miles per hour to reach a proper highway speed. Just make sure you put portable roads between them.
You thought you did something
Lol again.
That's a lot of words to miss the point. Insulation is cumulative, speed capabilities are not.
Portable roadways? So thats where I went wrong
Haha! :)
The most important part is the sleeping pad. You'll lose more heat through the ground.
I purchased a sleeping pad and it has good quality. However, I learned more since then and can't find R-value, so I suspect it is a summer sleeping pad only. I was thinking about insulating it with a foam pad either underneath or over it, between the sleeping pad and bag. Would it be sufficient? Air pads can lose heat from the ground, but also on the sides, so perhaps putting foam on top will be better. What do you think?
In the UK some of the trekking community actually recommend putting a down quilt inside a synthetic bag. You just need a very roomy bag to enable it to loft properly. They say it's worth the weight penalty to guarantee the down stays dry in our wet climate.
Sounds expensive, heavy and a faf
Normally a down quilt or bag under a synthetic quilt is what you'll see recommended on most ultralight hiking forums. Really helps with moisture management as condensation will form in the synthetic layer and not the down. Down won't be as warm when damp but synthetic will be fine
@@conner8904 Thank you for that comment. That's a subtlety I hadn't come across. If you're interested, I was specifically thinking of Scramblekit's recommendations for a modular sleep system. It's a (hideously expensive) Carinthia G90 synthetic bag with the Alpkit Cloud Cover down quilt inside. It's an interesting couple of articles- very well reasoned even if you don't agree with their conclusions. I'll certainly never justify the cost.
Wiggys bags are able to function when fully submerged in ice cold water
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@@conner8904 thank you!
So you’re saying if I add more insulation I’ll stay warmer?
Fascinating
I know. Who woulda thunk it?
Ngl, the warmest contraption I’ve ever made with camping was just a tarp hung up between two trees, wrapped underneath of itself to make a triangle shaped hut, and just tied off the ends to deny any breeze from getting in. It had rained when I made it, and I still woke up in a warm, dry sleeping area. Didn’t realize it had rained until after I got out
How do I do that?
@@nabranestwistypuzzler7019 it’s relatively simple, all you need is a decent sized tarp, a few things of rope, and two trees. You sorta set it up like a hammock, anchor the biggest rope along two trees, you drape the tarp over the top of the rope(sorta making a makeshift tent), put the two ends of the tarp overtop of one another(preferably where you’re going to sleep so your body weight keeps it from moving, and then just tie up the openings with some rope and you’re set
@@sirraccs9584 Like a hammock/bivy hybrid thing?
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 more or less, yeah. It wasn’t a fully thought out design but it works
@@sirraccs9584the sides are open so if the rain is coming in at an angle or there is wind you will still probably get a little wet/cold but look up how to make a tarp tent and with a ground pad you can stay completely dry
The Marine Corps sleeping bag is two sleeping bags and a bivy cover. 😂😂😂 I used the same sleeping bag in the army at fort Drum and it works.
Best bang for the buck and still use it northern Minnesota
@@samm2091remember Herters advertising 0 degree bags with three pounds of down in the 70s!
This has existed for decades - 2 x sleeping bags is fine - just unzip one so it lays flat. Personally did this at -47c in Nepal in 89. My hair snap froze when I washed my face that next morning.
I do need a zero degree. Sure carry a quilt that's an extra piece of gear to carry. You CAN put a bag in another bag. Have you seen the military sleep system?
Double sleeping bag works well. I’ve done it so many time and always stayed warm.
How cold was it when you camped that way? I'm thinking getting the usgi modular sleep system for some winter camping this year, but maybe should just get a second bag idk
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I think I'll save the weight and just buy a 0°
It'll weigh about the same as the combined weight of a smaller bag+quilt. It's still just added insulation.
@@farstrider79 you’re forgetting fabric and zipper weight which is huge, in addition that 40/20 degree bag isn’t going to have the same down quality as a 0 degree so the combo will definitely weight more
@@farstrider79 False. A 0 degree down quilt weighs almost half a pound less than a 20 and 40 degree quilt. This is based on EE specs.
You could also use a silk or wool bag liner for some added warmth. This is a better option considering that you only have so much room in your bag. A liner along with a properly rated sleeping pad and some layers of clothing would be enough to stay warm at temperatures below the rating on the bag. This guy has some truth to what hes saying but theres a lot more factors to take into account to come up with a number like he did.
I do a 30 degree bag with a 20 degree over quilt on top (both down) and an insulated Klymit Static-V sleeping pad. It’s a great sleep system and very compact.
Some nice warm bedding is important, but if you're sleeping on the ground, that ground is just stealing all your heat away. Love the videos, I don't ultra light camp, but I like camping in a canvas tent with wool blankets. True, it's heavy, but luckily we don't backpack, we truck.
Of course I don't need a zero degrees sleeping bag, I don't camp unless it's at least 65° outside.
USGI Bivvy
Sleeping pad
Moderate temp bag
Quilt/woobie
Scale as needed
You'll be fine in 95% of conditions
2 nested sleeping bags works great. Even better is using a thick 100% wool blanket inside a good mummy bag.
Good idea putting a wool blanket inside the mummy bag thanks!
It’s a good idea if you want to triple the weight of your sleep system
@@Chase3141 Thanks I sleep nice and warm throughout winter camping season.
@@williewonka6694 I guess that you're a real Guy that just gets on with - with obsessing about a few extra ounces that make life more enjoyable ;)
@@CosmicSeeker69 nothing like a nice warm bed when the icy wind is howling and quality sleep makes for a better day.
I don't know man. The three layer bags we had in the army worked pretty damned good.
i bought a set of those from a surplus store. best 120€ spent. Got the two bags and the gore tex cover. Slept in hammock at -18 celsius last winter with those.
They were designed to layer. If you try to layer with normal bags it like trying to fit one shoe into another instead of a shoe into an overboot.
@Deathmegadeth I'm a beginner and, want to know where to buy these bags please.
@@sabrinagiles6311military surplus stores or online
Wear a good base layer of clothes.
Add a military poncho liner inside the bag.
If it gets really cold an reflective emergency blanket.
The other half is being insulated from the cold ground.
If you ever add an emergency sleeping blanket inside your sleep system it will create was called a “vapor barrier” that can be absolutely deadly. You should’ve added “Make sure you put the reflective emergency blanket on the outside of your sleeping system!” Emergency blankets are for just that, emergencies! They’re not to be used as an every day thing to keep you warm while winter camping. “NEVER” use it on the inside of any sleeping system anywhere inside close to your skin.
@@robertwhite3752 Good information.
I was stationed at what is now Ft Johnson in the late 80s.
One cold(not freezing) night we walked about 2 kilometers up a creek that was waist to chest deep.
When we got back to our sleeping area I was soaked and cold to the bone.
I stripped off the wet clothes and dryed myself with a towel.
I had one of those emergency survival mylar bags.
I used it with my poncho liner on the inside next to me.
I was warm and dry in about an hour or so.
I got out and put on dry clothes and then got into my regular sleeping bag for the rest of the night.
I had a dry pair of boots in my ruck.
A loose knit wool blanket inside a rectangular synthetic sleeping bag imside a TyVek or Bivy bag on-top of Your choice of air ground pad. And your set for snow Sleet rain down to 0. Best of natural and synthetic. You get the temperature regulation of wool so you don’t get overly hot and sweat and dampness protection should you need it incase it gets damp or wet, which the Bivy protects from. It’s a full proof system in my experience. Minus a little weight penalty for the wool. I gladly except it for good sleep!! Hope this helps. Alpaca warehouse has loose knit wool blankets too.
as a Canadian guy I do use a -10 with a quilt and a liner and it works great for up to -15 to 20 degree weather in the winter with the right setups
My winters here in Montana says that I do need a 0 degree bag. You can bring your quilt anytime buddy.
Was thinking the same about my winter camping trip in the Hudson Bay.
I've doubled up my 20° sleeping bag by draping a 35° bag over top like a quilt. Worked fine.
Totally true. The army now has a multi sleeping system.
Do you think it's worth the $200 they charge online now for that usgi sleep system, or just get a second sleeping bag?
@@WindsongSoundBaththose systems are totally worth it and effective. They keep you warm in extreme low temperatures and are extremely durable
@@stephenmyers7076thanks! I actually ordered one a couple days ago already.
Oh man that is a great idea and way more flexible and useful gear.
I use a modified SOL emergency bivvy over top of my -20C quilt in the winter. Cut it length wise and applied tape to each side and left the foot box intact. Worked really well to protect my down from dripping condensation originating from my tent. Also breathes well and adds an extra 10C of warmth. Very light and compact compared to a synthetic sleeping bag
So, I've been doing this a lot and even made another post about it a couple months ago, but I just got back from an overnighter and did it with a new Sierra Designs Nitro 35 down quilt over a Sierra Designs Get Down 20 and it was a big mistake.
It was plenty warm, but at one point one of my hands slipped between the layers and it was really damp. I didn't need the extra layer, just wanted to try it with that quilt, so I pushed it off and went back to sleep. In the morning I realized I forgot to kick off the footbox and it was soaking wet in there.
It's weird because I layer that bag all the time, just with a different bag ,a cheapo synthetic bag from Walmart, and have never ever had that problem.
So, my advice is if you're going to do this try it at home first because wet sleeping bags, especially if they're down, can be downright dangerous.
You can layer bags if they're sized appropriately. I layered a NatureHike rectangle 40F over an REI Magma mummy. It worked very well. But it's tedious working the zippers.
Its just taking extra stuff with you. You don't need to layer at all. Just take 1 that will keep you warm
Agree. Buy the right one in the first place. If you only have the budget for one bag Id say it makes far more sense to buy a proper 3/4 season bag for the country you live in and just open it right up when it's warm and use it as a loose quilt instead. You'll vent heat fine that way and if it does get colder than you anticipate in the middle of the night, you're safe. There's no way I'd carry two bags for the winter, it's a waste of space, weight and money.
Or just use a piece of Reflectex cut to your body shape and size- put on top of your body inside bag/quilt. Takes a few minutes but it uses your own body heat to make you toasty warm. The piece is multipurpose, super light and about $10.
Not everyone sleeps on their back.
Side sleeper here and it works like a charm..all be it a slightly wider piece being on my side.
in survival training rule of thumb was have twice as much under you as on top of you, happy trails to y'all
Just look at that man tenderly stroking the air mattress.
I remember in my teens, we lived up against the national forest and would go out on my own during the winter and camp… absolutely loved it. But I had a tiny summer sleeping pad and would always wake up and need to make a fire to warm up. I finally bought that neoair xtherm and it changed everything… even down into the negatives, sleeping right on the snow, I never got cold again!
Xtherm is fantastic, it's so small! Only thing with the neoairs... if they leak you're not getting any sleep that night
US Army Alaska. I’ve slept in -20F with just body heat. Layering sleeping bags does and will work as long as it’s loose and not compacted, in particular at the feet.
Why do sleeping bags look like the last thing you'd want to sleep in?
You could die listening to this fella
He’s not a pro at all things
He’s making content
Take the gear for the job !
Do not listen to random people that speak with conviction
It’s only words
Air
Cuz packing 2-3 bags in your ruck while out and about in a situation is going to help.
Doesnt matter if you have your truck within walking distance I guess.
I have had success with a second sleeping bag pulled over as a quilt.
This was years ago before I even heard of backpacking quilts and had two three season bags but no winter one.
Would have failed had I tried to use both as sleeping bags due to compression.
I've found putting a blanket under your sleeping pad (if it's air filled) can help a lot too
Yeah I'll keep my zero degree bags. I've been in a bad way on a winter hike.
@@duffelbagdrag that night was the most terrifying night of my life. We couldn't get a fire to stay burning and only had a small barely smoldering pile. The wood was so cold it sucked the heat out of the fire and killed it.
By the time dawn broke I had the deep shakes and I was totally out of stamina trying to keep moving. I'd get up, pump out a bunch of jumping jacks and some push ups then get back in my bivy tent in my bag and just hoped like hell I didn't die.
If I didn't have that bag I'd be dead.
As a young man living in new england at the time, only having experience camping in the sputhern states wanted to go out camping for my first winter up there. And i went out to a local sports store and got a - rated bag and thought ill throw down a blanket as a base and with that expensive negative rated sleeping bag id be so toasty. Boy i was wrong. Thankfully i had alot of rocks around i ended up usuing as little heating pads through out the night. Base layers/pads/air matresses etc are extreemly important! Simple laws of conduction often overlooked.
Camping in QC Canada we use two sleeping bags no problem. The key is to not use one like down which works off of loft. Cheaper synthetic bags work just fine for layering.
I have a 40 quilt, 20 quilt, and 0 bag and I can tell you for a fact, from experience, that the two quilts layered are not -10. They are 0-10 *at best* because both of my quilts are nowhere near as warm as my bag alone. They’re all from the same manufacturer (Feathered Friends), too, so the ratings are comparable.
He’s right in principle, but not in practice because you can’t simply add ratings. Warmth is mostly about loft height and the shape of the insulation surrounding your body.
Respectfully, I don’t think this sleeping system is warm enough for those camping at high elevation in the winter. I like to climb Colorado 14ers in January, and will typically camp at 11-12 thousand feet where weather is more variable. But I agree with the general idea of layering. Great tips!
Nice you fixed it, Sometimes when the links or replies Deactivate and turn gray because you want those to be blue
You sometimes need to just Copy and paste. The thing and repost the comment and Paste it and send it really fast, so your link or. Reply doesn't go Gray again.
40 year old north face ibex… minus 30. Good to go brah.
Hear me out, an unzipped sleeping bag is just a quilt. Unzip your bag and lay it on top.
Also you can absolutely layer two bags, it’s entirely dependent on the size of the bags.
If you are some kind of “sleeping in your layers is colder” outdoor fed then stop scrolling 🛑
Yea that’s right you scrolled all the way down here for the dark arts.
Sleep in all your layers and learn about the the long lost alchemy of vapor barrier liners, and/or using rain gear direct to skin with high-pile above it. Your hands can go in your pockets for a mid weight puffy, but for really big “arctic” parkas wear it unzipped over your chest hem towards head / hood towards legs. If it doesn’t fit well inside your sleeping bag layer it over the top the same way but tuck the arms under you so it doesn’t slip off in the night. Kill all the dead air in your tent, bring your bag in and sleep on top of it. The more you fill up the internal volume of the tent the warmer you will be. Boots get wiped dry and put under the foot of your sleeping pad, you’re trying to survive not be comfortable. Piss, always go pee, it doesn’t matter if it’s -40 out and reaching in a storm if you don’t have anything to pee in inside the tent. Get out there, pee, get back inside and do crunches, and then go to bed. Trying to sleep with a full bladder is not going to be restful and even worse it’s going to make you colder. You better be sleeping with some water in your bag with you, you might need it to thaw the stove, consider sleeping with the stove pump as you approach -40. Either way you need to take the components of the stove into your inner layers on the morning if you don’t want them to snap. If you aren’t sleeping with your hoods on then get out of here. At a certain point the air becomes so dry and cold that it will damage your lungs, sleep in a mask or for more comfort use something to make a dome over your head, frozen condensation will be an issue but it will be frost that you can knock away, use something you can afford to get damp and wrap it around in such that it becomes a sacrificial barrier and protects your other insulation from the frost/moisture. Your pack can go under you, your food can go under you, your trekking poles, beaches outside can go under the tent. Get yourself as far off the ground as possible if it’s a matter of living or not. There are no rules in survival, there’s no point in avoiding sleeping with your food if you are going to die. Eat fats, sleep on top of your fats, the animals don’t want to be out in weather that bad, you have bigger problems. Don’t sleep, do crunches, do sleeping bag squats, make sure to move the legs. Manual massaging with your hand a can do a lot of good for blood flow. Rub your feet, not for a minute but for 30 minutes to a couple hours, it will be good for your fingers and feet. Sit upright with a partner and trade putting feet against each others stomachs underneath all their layers.
If you need to share warmth with someone in sleeping bag you both must be in long underwear with insulation pilled up from there. Being in your layers and sharing a bag defeats the point, it insulates you from the other persons heat. Be a like fingers in a mitten together, keep in contact. Don’t be human gloves, the separately insulated fingers aren’t as warm.
Last but not least, don’t get in wet. If it is feeling polar outside then there is one easy but painful way to get dry. Take off all your clothes except long underwear in the tent and lay everything out flat and not overlapping so that moisture can escape. Go outside the tent for as short a time as possible to let the super cold and dry air carry away the moisture in your body. Get back in the tent but don’t crush the insulation. Slip underneath all of it and lay directly on your pad with everything above you. Give your sleeping bag a chance to loft back up after being compressed. And it gives time for moisture to escape your layers. Very quickly open the door and sweep all the moisture away with a bit of fresh air. Stay under everything, you have to get the internal temp back up in there, start doing a workouts to achieve a real warmed state in the tent. Get into your bag, get everything layered up, have a pre bottle, have water in the bag with you, eat something fatty. Used socks go under your long underwear running flat against your sides and your armpits.
But you didn’t hear nothing from me…
😂 i way too much fun riding down the things they don’t/wont teach you.
Tell no one.
I really like this method especially where I live when it’s 50° in the evening then dropping to 0° by morning I can sleep in my bag and as the temps drop pull the quilt over me and stay warm through the night especially in a hammock with a z pad and under quilt I’ve slept weeks in negative temps with no problems and it’s not really that bulky for a deep winter sleep system
Did this up at Dewey point in Yosemite last week. Temps were just above freezing. Used a 47 degree bag and a 35 degree quilt and was plenty comfortable. The real advantage was that the bag packed down to the size of my fist.
All you need folks, is a summer bag and a winter bag.. rocket science !!!!!
Short = yes to quilt or “overbag” to move dew point + redundancy. 0f bag is ok at 32f so a late fall night is 👌…dont forget about weight & space
I’m quite certain this is inaccurate, Steven. Combining Fahrenheit degrees like this does not work, as you’ll get an entirely different number if you do the same with Celsius. Thermarest has a similar quilt + sleeping bag combo to this and is tested and verified to be only effective to 10F
This could be dangerous to someone trying this out in the backcountry and becoming much colder than what they packed for.
True
I did not calculate this myself but pulled the rating from Enlightened Equipment’s website (linked below) these are limit ratings and not comfort ratings. support.enlightenedequipment.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002770588-How-to-layer-quilts-for-sub-zero-camping?gclid=Cj0KCQjwqoibBhDUARIsAH2OpWjiiL19fWORHeMyGDmG8GuQMOpYMn0K6ptVH9hgRCFojxWXlJkqTM4aAvD8EALw_wcB
@@MyLifeOutdoors thanks for sharing. I suppose limit ratings make more sense. I’m still weary of EE’s ratings as they seem to be only theoretical or user based.
In "The Ultimate Hang", Derek Hansen talks about stacking quilts for winter hammock camping.
One of the big reasons I went with Hammock Gear quilts is they rate their quilts at comfort. If the quilt says 40 degrees, you will be comfortable at that temp.
I have a 10 degree set and a 40 degree set. If I understand it correctly, I should be able to sleep down to about -10 degrees F comfortably. My 40 degree underquilt is a 3/4 length, so I would probably need a down sleep hood and down booties if I wanted to go any colder than that.
Could be dangerous if people don't test their gear with a safety backup before they do it IRL.
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Just sayin'
You in fact Can another sleeping bag. But you're still right it can't be crashing the insulation. But you can use Mummy bag inside of a loose sleeping bag. Or if you have a sleeping bag that unzips all the way you can use that over your sleeping bag
Try a wool blanket as a bag liner.
I have a warm ass -10°c bag and a thin ass summer bag. Works amazingly
I layer for warmth. I put a down blanket, such as the Horizon Hound from Amazon, inside of my sleeping bag. Very comfortable and doesn't twist and bind like a sleeping bag liner.
I was smart for the sake of convenience and had no clue.
I use a 40 degree bag, and toss a puff down blanket on if I get chilly. 🥶
I have a +10C- 0C and a -22C/-44C all you need for summer and winter 👌
when we used to go camping (car camping) we would put a blanket down under the air mattress if it was cold
I have trouble to find quilts in germany. I do have two sleeping bags. Why exactly is it bad to have two bags? If you only crush the underside it doesn't matter because of the sleeping pad. One bag I own is more spacious.
If the outer bag is spacious enough it can work just be careful with a solid bail out plan in case the insulation isn’t lofting as well as you hoped.
If you use one of the bags as if it were a quilt .. that is, not all zipped up around the first one, it would work.
You want both bags to loft as much as possible to trap all the warmth from your body
@@MyLifeOutdoors yes, Thank you. I am always careful and test out if those things work. I also carry a emergency blanket which is standard in all first aid kits here. Like I said I'll test the two bags in the near future.
You can't find quilts in Germany???
I thought you were serious ! Then I saw your name,Dork.
I have an OD Green Extreme Cold Weather sleeping bag I got for 70 dollars and it works amazing
Sleeping bag + heavy blanket will do the same thing. The only draw back is the blanket will draw moisture.
It might not be great for bulkier people but for me a sleeping bag has more than enough room to fit another one inside for the rare really cold nights I choose to sleep outside.
I use a StS sleeping bag liner, have it with a 15F bag, works pretty well. May eventually upgrade to a 10F-5F bag if I start doing hardcore winter camping as the current setup I have keeps me comfortable but not as warm as I’d like.
carinthia defence 6 has a -18 C / 260 K / 0 F comfort rating and is only €280 100% worth it
I've slept in 0 degree F weather with just two folded in half micro fiber blankets. Was plenty toasty.
Love the versatility but it ends up being heavier. A ZenBivy 10 plus synthetic 40 far outweighs a Western Mountaineering bag
Depends on where you are at I grew up in the bitteroot valley MT would go below 0 for a couple weeks at a time you learned to keep a good appropriately rated bag in the truck 'survival' bag I know more than one person who got stuck out of town and had to sit for a couple days, good bag will save your life and you can always open up to cool down if you need
Comparing a survival bag you keep in your trunk to a piece of lightweight equipment you carry with you backpacking are two completely different things.
Why carry the extra weight and materials? And the ‘quilt’ you are using is literally the same material as your sleeping bag. Effectively making it like sticking a sleeping bag inside of a sleeping bag..
Versatility. This system is good at 40F, 20F and -10F for the same cost as a 0F bag. Quilts are open on the back. It just lays on top and won’t crush the insulation like putting a bag inside another.
I have a uk military modular sleep system witch is a light sleeping bag inside a medium and works really well and in the hotter months can just use the light bag and save a lot of weight and space in the backpack
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So what you are saying really is that I DO need a 0 degrees sleeping bag, because you can think again if you think I am going to carry a sleeping bag and a couple of quilts around!
That green screen is everything. And by the way of the studio lights I was selecting on your bags so you can tell you are not outdoors.
I have multiple sleeping bag and quilts. After a winter overnight trip to the Whites of NH where I froze my ass off I went and purchased a proper -20 degree sleeping bag. I have never been cold again. Don’t be cheap get yourself a proper sleeping bag, like a Western Mountaineering.
I backpack in the Whites, doing winter overnights starting this winter. I do have a WM Badger 15 bag and a new Thermarest Parsec 0 bag. Do you think layering a EE Apex 40 degree quilt over either will be plenty warm enough?
@@kevinguzda1131 I have never layers my bag with a quilt but from what I have seen on UA-cam it should work. I would also add a close cell pad to your blow up pad. Also make sure you have a good pad made for cold weather. I would do it in a controlled setting if possible. I got in over my head thirty years ago and needed to hike out in the dark. Yeah it seems pretty funny now but back then it was just super cold. A zero bag and a quilt should add some nice warmth. Enjoy and have a great time. The Whites are awesome.
If you put temperature in centigrade as well as your own funny scale it might be more useful to many of us
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I have 4 0c bags ... 2 atop and 2 below take me right down to -20c in my hammock no issues.
That's right you know. I don't need a zero degree sleeping bag, I need a double bed and a large duvet with soft pillows, minimum.
This makes no sense to carry two quilts with more weight to try and get to the temp rating of a bag made for that temp
Also note that the rated temperature is for alive not comfortable
sleeping bag liners increase the range too
So your advice boils down to:
"if you expect to camp in zero degree temperatures, don't buy a bag rated for those temperatures, just buy a separate quilt so that you'll spend more money and take up more space in your pack."
Yeah this one might be a miss.
So why would you want to carry two sleeping bags?
I actually DO need a 0F bag.
In combination with my 40F quilt, it can handle the around -20F that is the coldest I've been sleeping in and the -5--10F I have encountered at multiple occasions.
(I may be a degree or two off, I'm used to celcius, not Fahrenheit.)
If there's snow and you're asking questions just go over prepared can't lose
where can I buy the orange sleeping bag?
I don't need a 0 degree bag because I don't camp when it's that cold!😂
This makes sense. In the Army they give you a 3 layer sleep system, which is basically a thin sleeping bag stuffed in a thick sleeping bag stuffed in a waterproof sleeping bag. I could never understand why I would still get so cold in 30 degree weather when I had all three layers. I remember at one point, I had stuffed hand warmers in my socks, my pants and my beanie because I was freezing! My instructors told us to take off our clothes while we were in the sleeping bags, so our body heat could circulate and keep us warm inside. But why would get down to my underwear when I was already freezing in a t-shirt and pants!
That system is only rated down to -30°F with the "Puff Suit"/Extreme Cold Weather Suit(ECWS).
I see you've found the problems with cotton in cold weather. I had to learn that lesson the hard way...
Being naked absolutely works. Screw cotton.
Went camping in 2 ft snow on a mountain top in Appalachia and was warmer naked in the bag than I was fully decked out next to the fire….
@@akatsukiawsome13it's a huge myth that taking your clothes off in your sleeping bag makes you warmer. Not only does it not make sense logically, but plenty of subjective and objective tests have been done to completely bust that myth. Of course, none of what I said applies if you are wearing wet cotton. Then of course you should remove it before getting into your sleeping bag.
All seriousness am I better with a a proper 4season waterproof bag and four season bed or two thin sleeping bags for a good sleep system
This is why I have a 40 degree quilt set and a 10 degree quilt set for my hammock :)
Question: is it really completely right that it won’t bring any benefit with using two sleeping bags? The military focused company "Carinthia" developed the "Defence 4" (-15 ^C) as well as the "Tropic" (5 ^C). They made the compression bag for the "Defence 4" so big that it can also fit the "Tropic“ sleeping bag „to reach -20 C“. Never tried it out but that’s what they marketing (as far as I know).
When my husband and I went winter camping in a regular tent we just had like 3 or 4 bags and made a “bed sized bag” with them. Layering them works. That put together with laying close for warmth and we were much warmer sleeping in there than we were outside fully clothed… It was so cold that camping trip that I melted my nice traveler’s pants sitting too close to the fire, so that puts it in perspective for ya 😂
The military uses a modular sleep system for a good reason
I have the miss sleep system...it's a bag inside a bag inside a bivy cover and it's super warm
I need a -60F sleeping bag! (WCF!) I backpack all year round in Alaska with no heat source other than me wrapped in something. Because-no bears in Jan and Feb! (There is a bear like every 3 feet in Alaska)