I didn't think of that but yes, classic matchup. Thay've had several matchups. Isn't Nolan the all-time strileout leader also? And Pete Rose should definitely be in the Hall.
Yes it was, baseball was everything when an average Joe could take his family ( of five) to a game or two... the players (almost all) would sign autographs and give the kids waiting after the game sometime... actually ask you what position you played.... something changed in the purest of games that should not have... it was a great time then...
Watching the talent on these teams, and a few others inspired me at an early age. There was si much talent, and character in the players of that era. Without the custom workout routines, personal trainers, and performance enhancing drugs that still looked like absolute pro's pros. Every kid wanted to be George Brett, or Pete Rose, Reggie Jackson, Ricky Henderson etc. It was a lot of fun try g to mimic batters stances and swi gs, and a lot of the pit hers had unique wind ups that worked for them. Dan Quisenberry comes to mind. Good times.
@@-sensibleChris I was a Dodger fan in the mid 70's to 80's but I was totally heart broken when Thurman Munson died. I had great respect for a lot of the players even though they weren't on my team, and Thurman was one of them. It was a fantastic time for me, as a kid, growing up during that incredible era of baseball.. I agree with everything you said.
In 1978 Rose hit safely in 44 straight games, second to Joe D's 56! Pete was also voted as an All Star at 5 different positions during his career. He certainly belongs in the HOF!
I saw Rose during that hitting streak. The day after he broke Tommy Holmes 37 game hitting streak in NY against the Mets. It was a weekday afternoon “getaway” day game. Rose doubled up the gap in his first at bat and the place went wild cheering for him. This five years after Rose and Bud Harrelson of the Mets had their famous altercation in Game 3 of the NLCS where Rose was booed wildly. Earlier in the 1978 season on a Saturday afternoon game against the Mets Rose hit three home runs in one game!! He had the power to be a home run hitter if he wanted to be, but instead he chose to be the complete player and hitter.
I think the ban Rose agreed to was suppoed to be temporary, but when Commissioner Bart Giamatti died, baseball reneged and ironically, "alll bets were off." Today, MLB has partnered with Draft Kings, and is financially invested in sports betting. Talk about hypocrisy
@@leftykoufax7084 Paul Hourning bet on his own team to win games and was suspended fir one year then reinstated. It is time to end this hypocrisy and welcome Pete Rose back. Years ago I said never but now with MLB normalizing gambling in its own game Rose’s ban seems moot.
@@jayritchie851 The reason gambling was made illegal was Washington outfielder Ed Delahante was found killed in Niagra Falls, New York on July 3, 1903. Delahante was a star outfielder who heavily gambled.
That 1985 Reds team will always have a special place in my heart. My beloved Reds had fallen on hard times, 1982-84 were terrible seasons. In Sept ‘84, Marge Schott brought Pete back to be player manager and, just like that, the Reds started winning again… in 1985, they surprised everyone by finishing a respectable second place in the NL West… I believe they won 87 games… Dave Parker should have been the NL MVP in 1985. He was a force at the plate… deserves to be on HOF… He had his most productive years offensively in Cincinnati… Has to be one of the best deals Bob Howsam ever put together…. Those were the days!
Yep. We definitely enjoyed a little bit of a renaissance in '85. Lou Pinella & the Nasty Boys were great in '90, but it was a little sad that Pete wasn't there. He gave Cincinnati EVERYTHING. My Hero. I grew up mimicking his batting stance. Good ol' days.
One of the greatest players in any sport of all time. It's time for him to be in the Hall. No one played harder in any game. You can't take away from how good he was on the field.
@@jospehfager7646 The comment you made about hitting one 87 mph fastball at the batting cages is a bit misleading. Why is it misleading you ask? Because the only possible prerequisite needed to consistently hit 87 mph fastballs at the batting cages is nothing more than a matter of repetitions for the average person who played little league games growing up. I didn't pick up a baseball bat from age 13 until about age 32 ish 👍it only took me about two weeks to start crushing 85-90 mph fastballs & in less than a month later I was crushing those same pitches, but, from three feet in front of the plate!!!
In my early twenties as an Astros fan, I drove 120 miles to see him during his hitting streak at the Astrodome. A bit dramatic but a real baseball superstar historically speaking.
I would love to meet Pete Rose. I had a Pete Rose model bat when I was a kid. (still have it in the basement somewhere). I would love to have him autograph it.
Talk about two old-timers going at it in the mid eighties, that was classic! My dad, a big baseball fan and once played in the minors but gone now, god rest his soul, and I would debate about rose not being in the hall of Fame! He thought he shouldn't be because of the gambling and I thought he should because of his play on the field! Wish I could still debate it with him , rose still not in, but I think he will be after he passes eventually down the road! Thanks for showing this, brought back alot of memories!!
Like a lot of players he became eligible right when the steroids started kicking in and his typical 25/90/.290 stat line didn't look all that amazing. Then people kinda just forgot about him.
Man it feels good to be a free range human. Watching these games, some times on a black & white 14" TV, in a stationary store, after buying a few packs of Garbage Pail Kid cards, a Charleston Chew, and a Snapple French Cherry. Can we bring the magic back?
The last couple of months in the school year racing to the paper box before the school bus to get the box scores. Listening to games on the radio which is STILL awesome. No cable much less ESPN. Trading ball cards. Pony league tryouts. Beating every screen off of Mama''s house & even breaking some windows . WIFFLE BALL! Good ol' days. Would never ever trade them. Kids now have no idea.
@@DT-dz1jc coming from my generation it sounds like something fictional from a movie, though where you grow up can be the difference maker sometimes. I lived in an area with other kids so we’d play a little baseball, though it was hard to not hit a house. Some guy probably stole a bunch of Waveboards and sold them for 20$ to the people in my complex so everyone got one and we’d compete either in races or trying to knock each other off. When holidays came around we’d go over to the nearby shopping district and see how many of those cheep tree light bulbs you could pop before your fingers hurt either by burning or plastic splinter (not the smartest idea in retrospect) childhoods can change but in the right area you can still be free range
It's so refreshing to hear the voice of Gene Elston. Many sportscasters today are just chit chatting, and having a ball with giving us their personal opinions . Gene mostly gave. " Just the facts, and let the listener draw their own conclusions.
I remember Gene Elston. Was with the Astros (Colt 45's) from their inception, 1962. But I remember him from the 70s and 80s since Im not QUITE that old. Lol. Him and Dwayne Staats. To me he is still THE voice of the Astros since his is the first voice I heard connected to Astros Baseball as a little kid.
I was a junior in high school and baseball was my life. Saw Nolan Ryan pitch for the Angels in the 70s against Vida Blue and his Oakland A's at the old Big A in Anaheim, Ca. The sport has changed in so many ways since then and not so much in good ways.
@@maladyjohnson3397 The baseball brass is so out of touch. They think by going woke and encouraging the young stars to 'show personality' they will get Millenials and Gen Z to watch. Too late baseball. Few people under age 50 care about your game and it's your fault for the most part. So go on and let your young stars act like jackasses after hitting a homerun. Who cares.
Bateadores inteligentes que sabían ajustar el swing dependiendo la situación Hoy en día todos quieres dar el palo grande Incluso si les fildean con locución especial hacia su lado diestro siguen jalando la bola buscando la barda teniendo toda lo zona opuesta libre
Try hitting a not in my own hour i-90 mile an hour fastball put it in play or out of play and run. Do that one time, then you're going to comment and maybe matter those guys or awesome
The Express was just made differently. A real BULLDOG. He was just warming up at 100 pitches. If there were pitchers even kinda like him today the bat flips would not come so regularly. Remember Ventura mistakenly thinking he could take him when Ryan was like 40 something? He got headlocked & POUNDED & then Ryan got a standing ovation. Dude's tough as nails.
I still can't believe the Astros let Ryan go at age 41. He signed with the Rangers and plays for 5 more years, gets to 300+ wins and 2 no-hitters...smh.
@@jimsannerud6254 Ryan said he didn't want to stay in New York. the Mets could've gotten something back in return for him way better than a Jim Fregosi.
Three legends. Charlie Hustle should be in the HOF and it's an injustice that he's not. Had he bet against his team then okay, I'd understand the ban and would actually support it. But he didn't bet against his team. He bet that his team would win, proving that he never deliberately did something to cause his team to lose. Put Pete in the HOF where he belongs! Dave Parker's resume speak for itself. 7x all-star. 3X gold glove, 3x silver slugger, 2x NL batting champion. .290 career avg. 2,712 hits. All three of these guys should be in the HOF. That only one is is a travesty.
One major reason gambling is not allowed in gambling was outfielder Ed Delanante, a .340 hitter, was found dead in Niagra Falls, New York on July 3,1903. It was suspected that the mafia killed Delanante over gambling.
It's never been researched fully whether he bet against the Reds. Regardless, just because he bet on his team to win that doesn't mean he didn't compromise the games before or after the ones he bet on. If he knows he's betting on Tuesday's game, he could easily keep relief pitchers rested on Monday night when he doesn't bet. The bookies taking his bets could relay his betting patterns (which I'm sure they did) and thus every game becomes compromised.
@@roland7584 yeah so I was wrong I liked there tough play rose incredible skills went to the all star game in 5 different positions not to mention the head first slide no big deal enjoy your Life JTH
If you're talking classic, you have to go back to the Polo Grounds, Ebbett's Field, Forbes Field, Milwaukee County Stadium, not the ill-conceived multi-use stadiums. It's good that MLB is going back to baseball-only parks.
Never realized how BIG Parker was.. Can't believe Rose is NOT in the HOF. that's a huge injustice. but an even BIGGER injustice is Bonds. He has the record walks at the plate and he wasn't a slouch on the pads either. His 688 INTENTIONAL walks is more than TWICE the guy in 2nd place. THAT was how scary he was at the plate. Nobody and I mean NOBODY wanted anything to with him up there because he had no weaknesses and he saw the zone better than the umps. There will never be another Barry Bonds.I used to absolutely love to watch this guy bat (and so did everyone else). Nope you did not take your potty break when he was up there!
Clemente, Dawson, Kaline, i saw. Most underrated was Dwight Evans from Red sox. Parker had arm but not the coverage. Sam with Strawberry. Had all the talent. Never took it seriously. Biggest lame ass was Sosa. Had all the skills but one. Could not locate the ball. Why. Cause he never put in the effort. Bonds let sosa and mcguire turn him into a bigger loser then he already was.
@@shawnyoung8752 I once saw Fred Lynn throw Willie Wilson out at 3B from the wall just right of dead centerfield in KC. I was amazed. Dwight Evans did have a cannon.
C2ittcase. That wilson gets ghrown out at any base was arare thing. Grew up in chicago in 60s 70s. Was lucky to be able to see both leagues. Only NY, chicago, and bay area had that. La had 40 miles and no publuc trans.
Pete would be in hall but he broke the only rule in baseball that absolutely guarantees you will no longer be involved in baseball. The rule is posted in every clubhouse in baseball and when Pete broke the rule he knew he was doing so. He then lied about it and finally came clean when he made a deal with a publisher to write a book. I love Pete the baseball player. In baseball he was a super genius! I still have my Pete Rose Autograph McGregor mitt; it's a terrific mitt. My first MLB game was at Crosley Field and Pete led off the bottom of the first with a homer and the only run the Reds would score in a beat down by the Phillies. Pete backed up every play, ran out every batted ball and played nearly in-errant baseball. He was always focused and never failed to execute the little details that make the difference between winning and losing. When Pete was with the Phillies, there was a play where Bob Boone didn't squeeze a pop foul and when it jumped out of Boone's mitt, guess who was there to record the out? First baseman, Pete Rose, that's who! The rule about betting on baseball takes all of that into account. The rule is about no one being above the game. "Shoeless" Joe Jackson had the third highest batting average in the history of the majors and went to his grave insisting that he was not involved in any betting scheme to throw the 1919 WS. The contemporary wisdom is that even though the Sox lost the 1919 series, there is no evidence that Jackson did anything to hinder the White Sox chances of beating the Reds. If there's someone that should be in the hall, it's Jackson; not Pete. As good as Pete was on the diamond is as bad as he was at everything else. Unfaithful spouse, terrible father, convicted felon for tax evasion & statutory rapist. Yet people still want him in the hall. That's not HOF cred. If Pete wants to see who is keeping him out of the hall, he needs just to look in the mirror. Pete Rose Way? Gimme a break!
It must be so nice to be perfect like you are. You know there are wife beaters and other unsavory people in the hall? Oh, that is right you are perfect!
The Hall of Fame is for on the field accomplishments, not being a solid citizen. There are plenty of jerks in the Hall of Fame as well as solid human beings and upstanding citizens with integrity. There is also a lot of hypocrisy associated with MLB. The BS Houston Astros trash can banging, the Mitchell Report which mysteriously left out some steroid users, the HGH users and the greedy owners who knew players were juicing but played dumb because they were profiting. Pete Rose has paid enough of a high price. It is time to end this silly hand wringing and welcome him back into the fold. Rose belongs in the HOF. I trust Pete Rose more than I trust Rob Manfred or many other greedy owners who are destroying the game I love with their nonsense like starting extra innings with a runner on second base plus making minor league ball players starve and paying them a pittance. C’mon, you think Pete is so bad after all of this stuff has come to light?
@@TheBatugan77 ok, fair enough. How many baseball telecasts are sponsored by Fan Duel and other gambling establishments? Plus, now MLB is going to Vegas with the A’s. A casino in the ballpark be next?
@@ralphsanchico2452 I always find it hard to support Rose after he bet against his team when he was their coach. Also, after he ruined the catchers career after he ran him over in an All-star game(Fossy?).
@@mr.d8214 Trust me, There's not alot of (Professional) sympathy from me when it comes to Rose! I remember the Fossy collision like it was yesterday when I saw it on our Black and White TV. He showed zero concern and that pretty much planted that seed in me. Then to top it off, as a Met fan, he starts a fight with Buddy Harrelson and that was that! Buddy, (before he sadly developed Altziemers) still was bitter about that one! Character counts in my book and even if you had a million bucks in your pocket, you couldn't convince 10 decent people to take them out to a free fancy dinner if you have a soiled reputation!
I met him once when he had his restaurant in Boca Raton Florida. He was cordial but didn't talk much. He had his own hall of fame display there at the time.
Yes, right next to the turnpike. He had his own little booth where he talked on the radio. Just to the left as you walked in. Also, on the same street (Glades Road) but a few miles further west, was a restaurant named...what else...Wilt Chamberlain's.🦾
Hey, we went there a few times as well!! Miniature HOF with the displays and historical souvenirs from his playing days. I was shaking like crazy when I first saw him there in the booth, 5 feet away! Best baseball player in my lifetime.
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan, versus two players in Pete Rose and Dave Parker, who could at the very least argue should be in the HOF, because they're 2 of the best all around players of their era.
Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. As rediculous as the scandals have gotten these days.... steroids..adding substances on baseballs....and stealing signs....this guy was one of the true greats. He played hard every day....like it was war on the diamond....all time hit leader....and team player.....he knew the game and showed up.....it would only help the game....a dying game filled with nonsense....to get him in. Everyone today gets a pass for everything....why not Pete?
I have been to lots of games at the Astrodome. Being at the Dome was half of the event. Amazing place. I wish I was at this game tho. Pete Rose vs Nolan Ryan would be a 6 beer 3 domedog kind of game.
The good ole days of baseball when you can just turn on the tv and follow your home team and catch the national televise games on ABC and NBC, now days my dish provider doesn't offer bally sports to watch my team 😣
My dad had it made when he retired. Cable TV, and he was a Pirates fan. Cable had New York, Chicago, Atlanta, and locally Cincinnati. They would sometimes play the whole series on cable, and that was a lot of games that he watched. All he paid for was a little cable bill to watch all that Baseball.
I saw Ryan (and Rose) in Crosley Field 1969. I was 2 years behind Don Gullet at McKell h. s. and I used to hearing the kind of pop made by a superior MLB fastball. But Ryan --- though he couldn't hit a barn door hardly at 60 feet--- was somehow louder, faster than that. He. Was. Scary. Really, I sat down the 1st base side behind the dugout a ways, and I was afraid Ryan'd kill somebody. (How they stood in against him earned my eternal wonder and respect.--- I wouldn't have done it for a million dollars!)
@@stripervince1 I agree. You are missing the point. It was mentioned that Pete Rose had the advantage of hitting on artificial turf. My point is everybody else in that era had the same advantage, yet they didn't come close to hitting 4,000 hits. So the playing field was equal for all players. Rose had no advantage over any other player in that era.
@@joeq.public281 sure he did. Had a advantage over American league hitters, right? Only national league teams had turf. Houston Cincinnati and I think Pittsburg and Atlanta in the 1970s. Rose was an exception. Of course no one else had 4000 hits. Charlie hustle, hustled out hundreds. Not trying to diminish rose at at all just sayn a ball hit on the turf went quicker and further than on grass
I'm old enough to remember Ryan as a met so I saw his whole career. Watching this video, I don't remember Ryan being such a slow worker. After almost every pitch her needs to take a stroll...they should've put a chair next to the mound so he could sit down for a few moments before the next pitch.
Great hitters, both. But the greatest hitter I've ever seen in my lifetime was Mr. Padre, Tony Gwynn. As an Astros fan, I hated to see him up at the plate against my Stros because he was always a tough out. His 20-year career batting average? .338!!!
The man with the most no hitters of all time against the man with the most hits of all time.. doesn't get any more classic than that!💥
With out a Doubt.
Yes, it does they faced in an all star game both Parker and Rose were K's!
@@bladerunner9405 Was that at the Kingdome in Seattle?
@@markjones1444 in UA-cam there’s a video of him striking out Parker when the later was with the Pirates and Ryan was with the Angels
I didn't think of that but yes, classic matchup. Thay've had several matchups. Isn't Nolan the all-time strileout leader also? And Pete Rose should definitely be in the Hall.
What a time to grow up in America! The 70's and 80's were an exceptional era for baseball !!
Yes it was, baseball was everything when an average Joe could take his family ( of five) to a game or two... the players (almost all) would sign autographs and give the kids waiting after the game sometime... actually ask you what position you played.... something changed in the purest of games that should not have... it was a great time then...
It was good until the early 90s. The steroid era destroyed baseball for die-hard fans.
Wasn't a bad era for music, either.
Watching the talent on these teams, and a few others inspired me at an early age. There was si much talent, and character in the players of that era. Without the custom workout routines, personal trainers, and performance enhancing drugs that still looked like absolute pro's pros. Every kid wanted to be George Brett, or Pete Rose, Reggie Jackson, Ricky Henderson etc.
It was a lot of fun try g to mimic batters stances and swi gs, and a lot of the pit hers had unique wind ups that worked for them. Dan Quisenberry comes to mind. Good times.
@@-sensibleChris I was a Dodger fan in the mid 70's to 80's but I was totally heart broken when Thurman Munson died. I had great respect for a lot of the players even though they weren't on my team, and Thurman was one of them. It was a fantastic time for me, as a kid, growing up during that incredible era of baseball.. I agree with everything you said.
The insane fact that both Rose and Ryan played till they retired at 45 and 46!
Dave Parker was one of the most underrated players what a hitter and what a throwing arm from right field
That throw in the all star game when Parker threw out Downing at the plate was incredible
The Cobra. Loved to watch him play.
Ya, I don't understand how forgotten he seems to be.
Yep he should be in the HOF but the Pittsburgh drug trials has kept him out.
He did have a cannon in right
Nolan Ryan and Pete Rose two of the best to ever play the game.
Having a ball hit by Pete Rose is a treasure, yes. But not only was it hit by Rose, it was pitched by Nolan Ryan.
pete rose best player
@@stevewaldman371🤣🤣🤣
I dont care what they say Pete Rose NEEDS to be in the hall of fame!!!!!
He(Rose) "NEEDS" to remain just where he is; banished in perpetuity.
If rose is in then joebjackson and buck weaver should be in
Facts
Pete is my favourite player from that era, but he deserves to be where he is!
He will the day after he dies
In 1978 Rose hit safely in 44 straight games, second to Joe D's 56! Pete was also voted as an All Star at 5 different positions during his career. He certainly belongs in the HOF!
I saw Rose during that hitting streak. The day after he broke Tommy Holmes 37 game hitting streak in NY against the Mets. It was a weekday afternoon “getaway” day game. Rose doubled up the gap in his first at bat and the place went wild cheering for him. This five years after Rose and Bud Harrelson of the Mets had their famous altercation in Game 3 of the NLCS where Rose was booed wildly. Earlier in the 1978 season on a Saturday afternoon game against the Mets Rose hit three home runs in one game!! He had the power to be a home run hitter if he wanted to be, but instead he chose to be the complete player and hitter.
Rose probably does deserve to be in the hall, but he signed the ban instead of coming clean.
I think the ban Rose agreed to was suppoed to be temporary, but when Commissioner Bart Giamatti died, baseball reneged and ironically, "alll bets were off." Today, MLB has partnered with Draft Kings, and is financially invested in sports betting. Talk about hypocrisy
@@leftykoufax7084 Paul Hourning bet on his own team to win games and was suspended fir one year then reinstated. It is time to end this hypocrisy and welcome Pete Rose back. Years ago I said never but now with MLB normalizing gambling in its own game Rose’s ban seems moot.
@@jayritchie851 The reason gambling was made illegal was Washington outfielder Ed Delahante was found killed in Niagra Falls, New York on July 3, 1903. Delahante was a star outfielder who heavily gambled.
That 1985 Reds team will always have a special place in my heart. My beloved Reds had fallen on hard times, 1982-84 were terrible seasons. In Sept ‘84, Marge Schott brought Pete back to be player manager and, just like that, the Reds started winning again… in 1985, they surprised everyone by finishing a respectable second place in the NL West… I believe they won 87 games…
Dave Parker should have been the NL MVP in 1985. He was a force at the plate… deserves to be on HOF… He had his most productive years offensively in Cincinnati… Has to be one of the best deals Bob Howsam ever put together….
Those were the days!
William Hicks I'm with ya.Life Reds fan and I miss those fun times!
Yep. We definitely enjoyed a little bit of a renaissance in '85. Lou Pinella & the Nasty Boys were great in '90, but it was a little sad that Pete wasn't there. He gave Cincinnati EVERYTHING. My Hero. I grew up mimicking his batting stance. Good ol' days.
It was the reds team in the 70s that was so dominant. We as a Phillies fan feared them and the pirates. Gray rivalry
Nolan and Pete are my baseball heroes.
One an Angel, the other a demon.
Mine too, Buddy. They played ball EXACTLY how it should be played.
One of the greatest players in any sport of all time. It's time for him to be in the Hall. No one played harder in any game. You can't take away from how good he was on the field.
Your right, you can't take that away, but it can be overshadowed by the toxic ramifications of betting against the team you're coaching.
Actually you can.
@@ryanfallon259 no you can't. What he did off the field had no affect on what he did on the field. He gave 150% whenever he played.
Rose could hit a baseball. Might be the most difficult thing to do in sport. Should be in the Hall of Fame.
He earned his way in and earned his way out. It’s just a lifetime ban. After he dies he could be enshrined.
He's either deserving --- or he's not. Whether he's dead or alive should't make a difference.
@@jayritchie851 it may and probably won’t matter. You don’t bet on baseball without getting thrown out. That’s the gamble you take.
HOF is a joke, until Pete is put in! And this is coming from a 50+ year Dodgers fan 🤷🏻♂️
#FreePeteNow
Absolutely not. I spent two years working for a MLB team, we were told constantly DO NOT BET AT ALL ON BASEBALL GAMES. Constantly. He made his choices
These were the days when I loved
players tough played hard
There is no crying in baseball
Today is not as good
What do you expect, even with just a half-ass investment advisor, if these guys are not millionaires, they are just stupid!
Football football was better in those days less rules more entertaining!
Baseball was different definitely talented athletes and stepping up go to your local hitting cage and try to hit even a 87 mph fastball
@@jospehfager7646 The comment you made about hitting one 87 mph fastball at the batting cages is a bit misleading. Why is it misleading you ask? Because the only possible prerequisite needed to consistently hit 87 mph fastballs at the batting cages is nothing more than a matter of repetitions for the average person who played little league games growing up. I didn't pick up a baseball bat from age 13 until about age 32 ish 👍it only took me about two weeks to start crushing 85-90 mph fastballs & in less than a month later I was crushing those same pitches, but, from three feet in front of the plate!!!
Me too,those were great players in the 80"s and 90's.not todays.
In my early twenties as an Astros fan, I drove 120 miles to see him during his hitting streak at the Astrodome.
A bit dramatic but a real baseball superstar historically speaking.
I would love to meet Pete Rose or Nolan Ryan, these are awesome athletes and tremendous performers! Rose should be in the Hall!
I shot craps 🎲🎲 with Rose in Atlantic City like 30 years ago.. we went to the restaurant together & he was buying me drinks.. very nice guy..
I saw him in Vegas a few years back. Agreed. Nice guy.
No he shouldn't
He bet on his team to win .
Isnt that what every player does ?
I would love to meet Pete Rose. I had a Pete Rose model bat when I was a kid. (still have it in the basement somewhere). I would love to have him autograph it.
Talk about two old-timers going at it in the mid eighties, that was classic! My dad, a big baseball fan and once played in the minors but gone now, god rest his soul, and I would debate about rose not being in the hall of Fame! He thought he shouldn't be because of the gambling and I thought he should because of his play on the field! Wish I could still debate it with him , rose still not in, but I think he will be after he passes eventually down the road! Thanks for showing this, brought back alot of memories!!
You’re welcome Mike. Really nice comment. Here’s to you dad!
Dave Parker should be in the Hall of Fame. He has the stats.
For sure a five tool player
Like a lot of players he became eligible right when the steroids started kicking in and his typical 25/90/.290 stat line didn't look all that amazing. Then people kinda just forgot about him.
Too much awesomeness in one segment, thank you sir!
Put Pete in the Hall. Nobody is perfect.
Yes he belongs there.
Yes he does
More than half his gear is in the Hall… Christ he might as well be, too !!
He learned his lesson if there was one to learn. Put him the HOF!!!
Rose will be inducted into the Hall of Fame posthumously.
Man it feels good to be a free range human. Watching these games, some times on a black & white 14" TV, in a stationary store, after buying a few packs of Garbage Pail Kid cards, a Charleston Chew, and a Snapple French Cherry. Can we bring the magic back?
The last couple of months in the school year racing to the paper box before the school bus to get the box scores. Listening to games on the radio which is STILL awesome. No cable much less ESPN. Trading ball cards. Pony league tryouts. Beating every screen off of Mama''s house & even breaking some windows . WIFFLE BALL! Good ol' days. Would never ever trade them. Kids now have no idea.
@@DT-dz1jc coming from my generation it sounds like something fictional from a movie, though where you grow up can be the difference maker sometimes. I lived in an area with other kids so we’d play a little baseball, though it was hard to not hit a house. Some guy probably stole a bunch of Waveboards and sold them for 20$ to the people in my complex so everyone got one and we’d compete either in races or trying to knock each other off. When holidays came around we’d go over to the nearby shopping district and see how many of those cheep tree light bulbs you could pop before your fingers hurt either by burning or plastic splinter (not the smartest idea in retrospect) childhoods can change but in the right area you can still be free range
One night in the Astrodome, The Cobra let strike two whistle by from Nolan. He turned to the umpire and said, "Did that sound low to you?"
Ahhh my childhood!! I grew up in Cincinnati. I was 9 and vividly remember 4,192.
It's so refreshing to hear the voice of Gene Elston. Many sportscasters today are just chit chatting, and having a ball with giving us their personal opinions . Gene mostly gave. " Just the facts, and let the listener draw their own conclusions.
I remember Gene Elston. Was with the Astros (Colt 45's) from their inception, 1962. But I remember him from the 70s and 80s since Im not QUITE that old. Lol. Him and Dwayne Staats. To me he is still THE voice of the Astros since his is the first voice I heard connected to Astros Baseball as a little kid.
Your'e spot on! It's like listening to a bunch of women in a beauty parlor!
The two greatest baseball announcers were Jack Brickhouse and Vin Scully.
Although you could make cases for Red Barber and Mel Allen.
@@dalethelander3781 jack buck!
Grew up going to the Riverfront stadium and watching that Big Red machine, those were the days!
I was a junior in high school and baseball was my life. Saw Nolan Ryan pitch for the Angels in the 70s against Vida Blue and his Oakland A's at the old Big A in Anaheim, Ca. The sport has changed in so many ways since then and not so much in good ways.
That awesome man!!
It use to be Ryan and Tanana
@@Solitude47152 it sure was
My dad said he saw both pitch at a game in Anaheim too. He said Vida Blue was a great pit her at the time.
@@-sensibleChris Vida blue was an absolute beast in his prime
I miss baseball.
Me, too. Can't stand any of the other major sports. I'll watch NHL from tike to time and maybe a bit of UCLA football, but that's it.
@@maladyjohnson3397 The baseball brass is so out of touch. They think by going woke and encouraging the young stars to 'show personality' they will get Millenials and Gen Z to watch.
Too late baseball. Few people under age 50 care about your game and it's your fault for the most part. So go on and let your young stars act like jackasses after hitting a homerun. Who cares.
@@ronniecozzi8385 wise words and I concur with every single one. Good on you, Ronnie.
@@maladyjohnson3397 Thank you.
I think lifting the ban on Pete Rose and ultimately see him get in the HOF would be a huge shot in the arm for MLB.
I saw Ryan backstage of the Grand Ole Opry and he was just very normal down to earth western man. I admire people like him, just like Opry stars.
Both Rose and Parker did a good job shortening up their swings in order to ensure good contact off of Ryan.
Bateadores inteligentes que sabían ajustar el swing dependiendo la situación
Hoy en día todos quieres dar el palo grande
Incluso si les fildean con locución especial hacia su lado diestro siguen jalando la bola buscando la barda teniendo toda lo zona opuesta libre
Heroes snakes and bass hits let's go let's hustle let's have a f****** arm like nobody else and rope them down the right field line
Everybody knows everybody who's tried to 90 mile an hour fastball knows everybody who writes has had a pencil jump off their hands come on
Try hitting a not in my own hour i-90 mile an hour fastball put it in play or out of play and run. Do that one time, then you're going to comment and maybe matter those guys or awesome
@@Akronkangaroo 😊😊
My right arm hurts just watching Nolan Ryan throwing fastballs. Greatest pitcher of all time.
The Express was just made differently. A real BULLDOG. He was just warming up at 100 pitches. If there were pitchers even kinda like him today the bat flips would not come so regularly. Remember Ventura mistakenly thinking he could take him when Ryan was like 40 something? He got headlocked & POUNDED & then Ryan got a standing ovation. Dude's tough as nails.
Pete Rose was one of the greatest players ever! They should be ashamed not to put him in the Hall of Fame.
He bet on baseball when he was the manager of the reds. That is not right at all.
He who is without sin, cast the first stone.
The only one with shame should be Pete for putting this bad mark on the entire history of baseball with his gambling.
This is when baseball was baseball...
I still can't believe the Astros let Ryan go at age 41. He signed with the Rangers and plays for 5 more years, gets to 300+ wins and 2 no-hitters...smh.
I was in Milwaukee for his 300th win against the Brewers
I still can't believe the Mets let Ryan go at age 24.
@@jimsannerud6254 Ryan said he didn't want to stay in New York. the Mets could've gotten something back in return for him way better than a Jim Fregosi.
@@duran007fan5 it didn’t matter what Ryan “wanted” The Owners owned players then! He’d have to stay with them or quit!! Real Baseball!! ⚾️⚾️ ⚾️ !!!
@@duran007fan5 think nolan clinched a win in that mets world series
It was strange seeing Dave Parker in a Reds' uniform, after playing so many seasons with the Pirates.
I was thinking the same
Nolan clearly didn't have his best stuff that day, but was that fastball ever moving! It was great to see the three of them again.
Bat always looked like a toothpick in Parker's hands🤣
No advertising all over the backstop, nice to see nor a bunch of crap cluttering up the tv screen.
And no Joe Buck announcing.
Three legends. Charlie Hustle should be in the HOF and it's an injustice that he's not. Had he bet against his team then okay, I'd understand the ban and would actually support it. But he didn't bet against his team. He bet that his team would win, proving that he never deliberately did something to cause his team to lose. Put Pete in the HOF where he belongs! Dave Parker's resume speak for itself. 7x all-star. 3X gold glove, 3x silver slugger, 2x NL batting champion. .290 career avg. 2,712 hits. All three of these guys should be in the HOF. That only one is is a travesty.
One major reason gambling is not allowed in gambling was outfielder Ed Delanante, a .340 hitter, was found dead in Niagra Falls, New York on July 3,1903. It was suspected that the mafia killed Delanante over gambling.
It's never been researched fully whether he bet against the Reds. Regardless, just because he bet on his team to win that doesn't mean he didn't compromise the games before or after the ones he bet on. If he knows he's betting on Tuesday's game, he could easily keep relief pitchers rested on Monday night when he doesn't bet. The bookies taking his bets could relay his betting patterns (which I'm sure they did) and thus every game becomes compromised.
ROSE MADE BASEBALL GREAT WITH THE BIG RED MACHINE THEY WERE UNSTOPPABLE
In the 70s went plenty of world series lost most of them
Orioles beat em. A's beat em. Mets beat em. Dodgers stopped them from going any further in the late 70s. I wouldn't say they were unstoppable.
@@roland7584 yeah so I was wrong I liked there tough play rose incredible skills went to the all star game in 5 different positions not to mention the head first slide no big deal enjoy your Life JTH
@@user-ts1mw1xh4i Pete did have skills on the field. No doubt about that.
Two of the best to ever play the game facing off. Fitting that it went down as a virtual tie.
i miss the great old classic ballparks like the astrodome and riverfront.
If you're talking classic, you have to go back to the Polo Grounds, Ebbett's Field, Forbes Field, Milwaukee County Stadium, not the ill-conceived multi-use stadiums. It's good that MLB is going back to baseball-only parks.
Never realized how BIG Parker was.. Can't believe Rose is NOT in the HOF. that's a huge injustice. but an even BIGGER injustice is Bonds. He has the record walks at the plate and he wasn't a slouch on the pads either. His 688 INTENTIONAL walks is more than TWICE the guy in 2nd place. THAT was how scary he was at the plate. Nobody and I mean NOBODY wanted anything to with him up there because he had no weaknesses and he saw the zone better than the umps. There will never be another Barry Bonds.I used to absolutely love to watch this guy bat (and so did everyone else). Nope you did not take your potty break when he was up there!
Those Astros uniforms were HIDEOUS 🤣 Nolan was a badass though.
That was my first reaction when I clicked on this video. How could they make people dress like that?
Estos dos bateadores tanto Rose , como Parker jugaron en Venezuela ya siendo regulares en mlb. Que tiempos aquellos realmente espectaculares.
Y el legendario Nolan Ryan?
I'm liking the pitch clock rule more and more after watching this snail show!
When it comes to outfielders arm strength, it’d be hard to find anyones stronger than Dave Parker’s.
Clemente, Dawson, Kaline, i saw. Most underrated was Dwight Evans from Red sox. Parker had arm but not the coverage. Sam with Strawberry. Had all the talent. Never took it seriously. Biggest lame ass was Sosa. Had all the skills but one. Could not locate the ball. Why. Cause he never put in the effort. Bonds let sosa and mcguire turn him into a bigger loser then he already was.
@@shawnyoung8752 I once saw Fred Lynn throw Willie Wilson out at 3B from the wall just right of dead centerfield in KC. I was amazed. Dwight Evans did have a cannon.
C2ittcase. That wilson gets ghrown out at any base was arare thing. Grew up in chicago in 60s 70s. Was lucky to be able to see both leagues. Only NY, chicago, and bay area had that. La had 40 miles and no publuc trans.
Roberto Clemente had a great arm
Unfortunately I only remember him as a D.H.
And Dave Parker deserves and earned to be in hof if Trammell is in bs
My two heroes of all-time facing each other, Nolan Ryan and Pete Rose. Awesome!
7 Big Dave Parker the dangerous spitting cobra memories baseball back then
He was a sight in 1978 while playing for the Pirates with a goalie mask to protect a broken jaw suffered in a collision at home.
Here's the reason Rose should be in the HoF.
...and Rule 21 is the reason he's not in the HOF.
Pete Rose should’ve been a Hall of Famer years ago !
But, he can't do that. He can't bet on baseball. He got in big trouble for that and he is banned from the hall of fame.
Nolan’s pitch delivery was so cool to watch.
I forgot how big Dave Parker was. Standing on first base next to those other men, they looked like boys standing next to him!
He handles that bat as if it were plastic instead of wood.
@@crkmt I know, it looks like a little stick!
The cobra 🐍
Watching Ryan dawdle around the mound reminds me why the pitch count in 2023 is so great.
Yeah, it's one thing to watch it in this clip, and it's quite another to watch it for three hours, multiple times a season.
If Nolan Ryan was pitching today he be throwing 115-120 miles an hour
You baseball fans are so funny!!! 🤪🤪🤪🤪
Oh really? Hes almost 80. Hed be throwing 30mph if he was pitching today
Why? The baseball is the same now as it was back then.
@@stripervince1 He actually was clocked in the lower 90's recently so you are most definitely wrong,
@@sludge4125 he meant Nolan playing around his prime, sorry if that was too much for your wittle bwain.
Betting on sports,including your own team,is done daily without question.
Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame !Ya
Pete would be in hall but he broke the only rule in baseball that absolutely guarantees you will no longer be involved in baseball. The rule is posted in every clubhouse in baseball and when Pete broke the rule he knew he was doing so. He then lied about it and finally came clean when he made a deal with a publisher to write a book. I love Pete the baseball player. In baseball he was a super genius! I still have my Pete Rose Autograph McGregor mitt; it's a terrific mitt. My first MLB game was at Crosley Field and Pete led off the bottom of the first with a homer and the only run the Reds would score in a beat down by the Phillies. Pete backed up every play, ran out every batted ball and played nearly in-errant baseball. He was always focused and never failed to execute the little details that make the difference between winning and losing. When Pete was with the Phillies, there was a play where Bob Boone didn't squeeze a pop foul and when it jumped out of Boone's mitt, guess who was there to record the out? First baseman, Pete Rose, that's who!
The rule about betting on baseball takes all of that into account. The rule is about no one being above the game. "Shoeless" Joe Jackson had the third highest batting average in the history of the majors and went to his grave insisting that he was not involved in any betting scheme to throw the 1919 WS. The contemporary wisdom is that even though the Sox lost the 1919 series, there is no evidence that Jackson did anything to hinder the White Sox chances of beating the Reds. If there's someone that should be in the hall, it's Jackson; not Pete.
As good as Pete was on the diamond is as bad as he was at everything else. Unfaithful spouse, terrible father, convicted felon for tax evasion & statutory rapist. Yet people still want him in the hall. That's not HOF cred. If Pete wants to see who is keeping him out of the hall, he needs just to look in the mirror. Pete Rose Way? Gimme a break!
It must be so nice to be perfect like you are. You know there are wife beaters and other unsavory people in the hall? Oh, that is right you are perfect!
I was watching that game when Rose backed up Boone. Unforgettable Mr Hustle!
The Hall of Fame is for on the field accomplishments, not being a solid citizen. There are plenty of jerks in the Hall of Fame as well as solid human beings and upstanding citizens with integrity. There is also a lot of hypocrisy associated with MLB. The BS Houston Astros trash can banging, the Mitchell Report which mysteriously left out some steroid users, the HGH users and the greedy owners who knew players were juicing but played dumb because they were profiting. Pete Rose has paid enough of a high price. It is time to end this silly hand wringing and welcome him back into the fold. Rose belongs in the HOF. I trust Pete Rose more than I trust Rob Manfred or many other greedy owners who are destroying the game I love with their nonsense like starting extra innings with a runner on second base plus making minor league ball players starve and paying them a pittance. C’mon, you think Pete is so bad after all of this stuff has come to light?
@@mattdon2164
Yes. I do.
@@TheBatugan77 ok, fair enough. How many baseball telecasts are sponsored by Fan Duel and other gambling establishments? Plus, now MLB is going to Vegas with the A’s. A casino in the ballpark be next?
Rose said he used to go out to dinner with Ryan when in town together,sounds like Ryan had a few more strikouts left!
Want to bet?
@@mr.d8214 (LOL) I was wondering when that topic would come up!
@@ralphsanchico2452
I always find it hard to support Rose after he bet against his team when he was their coach. Also, after he ruined the catchers career after he ran him over in an All-star game(Fossy?).
@@mr.d8214 Trust me, There's not alot of (Professional) sympathy from me when it comes to Rose! I remember the Fossy collision like it was yesterday when I saw it on our Black and White TV. He showed zero concern and that pretty much planted that seed in me. Then to top it off, as a Met fan, he starts a fight with Buddy Harrelson and that was that! Buddy, (before he sadly developed Altziemers) still was bitter about that one! Character counts in my book and even if you had a million bucks in your pocket, you couldn't convince 10 decent people to take them out to a free fancy dinner if you have a soiled reputation!
@@mr.d8214 Ray Fosse played as a catcher until 1979 with the Brewers. No career ruined.
Classic!!! Notice Rose's bating stance. He leaned over to make it smaller; as a switch hitter, he seemed to ALWAYS know what to swing at.
Rose and Mantle. Two best switch hitters ever.
Look at rose and hit by pitch stats that's why he leaned over lol
The strike zone doesn't change based on your stance...
Baseball was so much better back then As were all sports.
I met him once when he had his restaurant in Boca Raton Florida. He was cordial but didn't talk much. He had his own hall of fame display there at the time.
Yes, right next to the turnpike. He had his own little booth where he talked on the radio. Just to the left as you walked in. Also, on the same street (Glades Road) but a few miles further west, was a restaurant named...what else...Wilt Chamberlain's.🦾
Hey, we went there a few times as well!! Miniature HOF with the displays and historical souvenirs from his playing days. I was shaking like crazy when I first saw him there in the booth, 5 feet away! Best baseball player in my lifetime.
I had forgotten all about this. Thanks for posting!
can you imagine how many of those pitches Angel woulda called strike???
Over 4200 hits is insane
Great pitcher vs great hitters
I wish i could watch this entire game.
Epic Match up top 3 pitcher all time vs best hitter all time... Wow
They were so fun to watch
I remember these legends.
Pete Rose: statistically the greatest player to ever play the game.
Ruth
No changing speeds there. Here it is hit it. Ryan was a work horse just pumping fastballs up there one after another for 30 years.
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan, versus two players in Pete Rose and Dave Parker, who could at the very least argue should be in the HOF, because they're 2 of the best all around players of their era.
Bueno peloteros USA, bendiciones para todos ustedes, Raleigh, NC USA.
Grew up in Era watched Parker in salem va along with great players
I met Pete Rose. And he's not perfect. BUT THEY DON'T MAKE THEM LIKE HIM ANYMORE.
He's the greatest to play for the Phillies and reds. But, he made a big mistake and that is betting on baseball.
Christ I could paint a picture of Ryan throwing two pitches before he actually did.
Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. As rediculous as the scandals have gotten these days.... steroids..adding substances on baseballs....and stealing signs....this guy was one of the true greats. He played hard every day....like it was war on the diamond....all time hit leader....and team player.....he knew the game and showed up.....it would only help the game....a dying game filled with nonsense....to get him in. Everyone today gets a pass for everything....why not Pete?
Nolan Ryan 32 starts that’s unheard of today.
estos fueron grandes jugadores y ganaban poco los de hoy cobran millones y se la pasan lesionados
Muy cierto
pete rose is the greatest player ever
Rose and Parker both belong in the Hall of Fame
Incredible what to absolute Legends both the best what they did you always heard never mess with Ray night Nolan Ryan
Let Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame MLB, C'mon!
Damn, just watching Nolan Ryan throw those fast balls, they have to be over 100 miles an hour great segment
Some of the greatest ever
Dave Parker was one of my favs!!! He used to hit lasers!! Needs to go into the Hall!
I have been to lots of games at the Astrodome.
Being at the Dome was half of the event. Amazing place.
I wish I was at this game tho. Pete Rose vs Nolan Ryan would be a 6 beer 3 domedog kind of game.
Dave Parker should be in the Hall of Fame
I love Ryan's grunt after every pitch.
Mid 80s Astros slogan: "When we are done working our shifts at the local Wienerschnitzel, we like to play a little baseball."
The good ole days of baseball when you can just turn on the tv and follow your home team and catch the national televise games on ABC and NBC, now days my dish provider doesn't offer bally sports to watch my team 😣
My dad had it made when he retired. Cable TV, and he
was a Pirates fan. Cable had New York, Chicago,
Atlanta, and locally Cincinnati. They would sometimes
play the whole series on cable, and that was a lot of
games that he watched. All he paid for was a little
cable bill to watch all that Baseball.
haven't watched MLB since Bonds retired.
I saw Ryan (and Rose) in Crosley Field 1969. I was 2 years behind Don Gullet at McKell h. s. and I used to hearing the kind of pop made by a superior MLB fastball. But Ryan --- though he couldn't hit a barn door hardly at 60 feet--- was somehow louder, faster than that. He. Was. Scary. Really, I sat down the 1st base side behind the dugout a ways, and I was afraid Ryan'd kill somebody. (How they stood in against him earned my eternal wonder and respect.--- I wouldn't have done it for a million dollars!)
You should have seen and heard him before Tom Seaver told him to slow down so he could throw some strikes.
One thing I don't miss is artificial turf.
Not taking anything away from Pete, but he got alot of his hits on astroturf.
@@stripervince1 why didn't anybody else get 4,000 hits since they were hitting on turf as well?
@@joeq.public281 turf Def helped hitters. Grounder skipped right on thru like lightning. Don't think so?
@@stripervince1 I agree. You are missing the point. It was mentioned that Pete Rose had the advantage of hitting on artificial turf. My point is everybody else in that era had the same advantage, yet they didn't come close to hitting 4,000 hits. So the playing field was equal for all players. Rose had no advantage over any other player in that era.
@@joeq.public281 sure he did. Had a advantage over American league hitters, right? Only national league teams had turf. Houston Cincinnati and I think Pittsburg and Atlanta in the 1970s. Rose was an exception. Of course no one else had 4000 hits. Charlie hustle, hustled out hundreds. Not trying to diminish rose at at all just sayn a ball hit on the turf went quicker and further than on grass
It gets no better than this
Pete Rose. The greatest ever to play between the lines in M.L.B. & Not in the H.O.F. EXTREMELY SAD
Nolan had a scorching fastball a ton o K's and a low ERA. Yet playing on a career of .500, his W/L percentage was pedestrian.
You play on those crap teams and see how good you do
Randy Johnson had a few of those too.
Pete Rose was an amazing player
I'm old enough to remember Ryan as a met so I saw his whole career. Watching this video, I don't remember Ryan being such a slow worker. After almost every pitch her needs to take a stroll...they should've put a chair next to the mound so he could sit down for a few moments before the next pitch.
It's not like he betted against his team, he asked for forgiveness everyone makes mistakes let Pete Rose in the Hall.
Great hitters, both. But the greatest hitter I've ever seen in my lifetime was Mr. Padre, Tony Gwynn. As an Astros fan, I hated to see him up at the plate against my Stros because he was always a tough out. His 20-year career batting average? .338!!!
the all time hits & strike out leaders going at it. pretty uneventful , but really cool at the same time