Dave Pallone:The Infamous Altercation with Pete Rose
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- Опубліковано 5 гру 2009
- This play happened on April 30, 1988
Pete was upset with me on the call and eventually got thrown out for his temper tantrum :) He was fined $10,000 and suspended for 30 days for his actions... - Спорт
I miss old school baseball.
Me too.
You and millions of other people.
Old school baseball will never be matched. I’m glad I enjoyed the game then as opposed to the crap we see today.
Guys actually played to win and wanted the team to win. Nowadays it’s how much money can I get and make the fans pay for tickets and beer to see a mediocre sport.
As a youngster I saw this Pete Rose incident with my cousin on live TV. We were laughing because of how the announcer said, " Ah, Oh oh!! "
My almost 4 year old daughter and I were at this game. (She is now 37) She was so confused as to what was going on. Then when the crowd started throwing items onto the field (including batteries, coins, & cups) she was a little scared. I knew this game would be etched into my mind forever.
So the idiot fans were throwing batteries onto the field when it's THEIR players who are on the field.
that's so cool and weird at the same time
I was actually at this game lol. We sat in right center, in a little section of blue seats that were completely covered by the second deck thankfully, one of the only outfield sections that was covered like that. All you could see was it raining nachos and beer. There was a give away for the first 10,000 fans that day of a commemorative golf ball with reds on it. This is why the umps took cover and left the field, some people started throwing them.
This is "Charlie Hustle"!
Love him or hate him, and I will always love the passion and intensity he brought everyday.
Mookie was safe, Esasky was off first base. Not a Mets fan, but a Pete Rose fan
A lot of passion. It's as if he has big money riding on the games.
@@tadpole8677 hey asshole, nobody is debating whether or not The current hits leader in Major League Baseball gambled on baseball but I can guarantee Pete Rose never bet against himself or his team. So what is the fucking issue with you? Nobody else will ever break his record of hits and he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
@@tadpole8677 I literally laughed out loud. Still loved him in Philly. I 'bet' you did too.
Whitey Ford gave Pete that nickname, when Rose was just breaking in to the Majors.
Nothing like old school baseball ⚾️
First baseman should have thrown it 'home'.....regardless of what the call was.........
I miss baseball in the '80 and '90s. Todays baseball is unwatchable.
You got that right! Same thing with NFL football - unwatchable reality television in the context of football. Baseball, you see these pitchers with their oddball windups that are, in my opinion, straight up BALK. Just pitch the damn ball normal
Yeah, 80s to around mid 90s baseball was the best. So many influential players playing at that time. I saw Daryl Strawberry crank one in the upper deck of Three Rivers Stadium against the Pirates for his 2nd at bat, good for 3 runs.
That was back when he was the “hated” player in baseball, the entire stadium chanting “DAAAAR-YLLL… DAAAAR-YLLL”
Daryl has since got himself together and goes around giving talks at churches around the nation. Beating colon cancer woke him up
I was at this game when I was about 8 years old. Does anybody else remember the cup of mustard that got thrown on the field? It stained the turf and was visible through at least the following football season.
@Kris Edwards I'll bet you didn't!
@Kris Edwards I didn't really think you were serious...just kidding around. Your original comment was funny!
I was there. I had to have ketchup on my hotdog. The condiment stand I went to was out of mustard. 🤔
@Kris Edwards Thank you for stepping up. We will be sending you the bill for the replacement and repainting of stained turf. ;)
@Kris Edwards And the warranty on that rug is LONG past too! Looks like you got away with one! :)
Esasky needs to instinctively turn and throw home. Dont wait for a call.
Private Equity Manager - Esasky was actually a third baseman, but yes, he should’ve threw it home, regardless. Esasky was a very talented player, and had a great future, but after he was traded to the Braves, he developed vertigo and it was the end of his career. Pretty sad.
Yes yes yes..exactly.
Agreed. You gotta' play it through!!!! Pallone only delayed because he could not see if the first baseman maintained possession!
That's what I was thinking. Why stop and wait for a call? Maybe there were two outs? Still.... make the throw. The announcer is not correct in that 1st does not have to wait for the call to make a throw.
I'm in Southeast Asia, alan30189. I don't understand "He should’ve threw it home."
Thanks for the upload Dave.
I was there. As a Mets fan, I was stopped by three drunk Reds fans after the game. Only time I ever felt in danger at a ballgame. Fortunately, two were sober enough to pull their friend away.
For being a Mett fan they should have gave ya beating hahahaha
@@bobnewfart7630oh oh
What's a Met ?
@@ag4allgood Mets?
The joys of being in a rival ballpark! 😅 As a Yankee fan I've been to Boston, Baltimore, and Cleveland!
Dave Pallone needs to make that call immediately. Horrible umpire. You had one job.
He probably did it on purpose. He was a known Reds-hater.
Broadcasting crew said the call was late. That’s true. Broadcaster said because the call was late, Esasky wasn’t able to throw home. Not true. You make the throw home even if you hadn’t seen or heard any call, as action is still ongoing.
But what if the runner to first base would have been the third out?
that does not matter, you still need to make the play until you hear the call... safe or out.... the umpire is not part of the play.... you first baseman should have made the play to home right away.@@EPA18
Sorry....Mcarver is correct....the ump has to make that call ! Throwing home only concedes the runner at 1st safe.
Also...the ump struck Rose first and then Rose shoved him.
The 1st baseman thought he caught the 3rd out..PERIOD ! If there were 1 out or less...that runner doesnt try to score.
Agree. If the runner is stealing with 2 strikes and 2 outs you don't wait to see if the pitch is a called strike you just throw to the base he is stealing.
This is the golden era of baseball, god i miss it so much
no internet, just hanging out on a summer day, run to the bathroom during comercial.
Pete made baseball exciting.
Rose got a 30 day suspension for bumping the umpire in this game. This reminds me of the Roberta Alomar incident in which he spit on an umpire during a playoff game in the mid 90's. That bad part was that he did get suspended several games at the beginning of the next season when he should have been suspended right on the spot for the remainder of the playoffs & world series. The reason he didn't get it right there is because we did at that time & still have the sorriest excuse for a commissioner that there ever was in Bud Selig. I thought Bowie Kuhn was bad till this moron came in to the picture. There will never be another commissioner of baseball that was as worthless ad Bud Selig.
Bud Selig has been an absolute disgrace for being commissioner of baseball, period!!!
Alomar did not miss the playoffs in 1996 for the spitting in the face of an umpire. and it was not during a playoff game.
bartha75 I stand corrected and thanks for that. He did miss several games at the beginning of the next season though. My point is that the punishment for what he did was not nearly stiff enough. He should have been hit with a heavy fine as well as missing at least 30 games at the beginning of the next season. What he did was far worse than what Rose did.
And Adam is right. Bud Selig has been a disgrace to the game. No one who is part owner of a team should be the commissioner as well.
The umpire was Mark Hirschbeck, who replaced Pallone when he quit later that year.
onehstrybuff pallone did not quite. pallone allegy involved in a teenage sex ring with a friend. was fired. pallone is gay and had affairs with players, at least thats what he says
And now for the rest of the story: Yes you were a hateful umpire and carried grudges against certain players, namely Davy Concepcion (you were quoted in a San Francisco newspaper as saying that you intentionally did things on the field to disrupt his play, including standing in his line of vision on the field) and Jeff Reardon (your quote "I'll bury you"). In September of 1988 you quit umpiring because you were a scab, the union hated you, you took everything personally on the field and the league pressured you to resign. THANKS FOR RESIGNING !!!
What a douche
Wow. That changes EVERYTHING. You colossal douchebag
LOL.....just to point out, the striking umps wanted more money....a bunch of them quit, thinking that it would force the league to the negotiating table (and that MLB wouldn't accept their resignations). The umps got the shock of their lives when the league called their bluff, accepting the resignations....but they knew what might happen, or at least they should've. Oh well.....they made their beds, then they had to sleep in them. No sympathy from me.
Francis Ramp No not Joe West
No you are incorrect. Pallone was forced to resign by MLB bc they thought he was part of a teenage sex ring, which he was never charged with, and he was found to be innocent of. They fired him for being gay, and then had to pay out an undisclosed 7 figure settlement to him when he had MLB dead to rights.Know your garbage story. www.mcall.com/news/mc-xpm-1998-11-20-3224648-story.html
I was driving in Clifton that night (just North of downtown and RIverfront) and heard that call and SO wished I was at the ballpark. I'll never forget Joe Nuxhall's classic and most emotional on air comment to Marty Brennaman--- "He's a SCAB anyway!! A SCAB UM{PIRE!!" Which was true because Pallone crossed the picket line and got his job during the umpire walkout. Joe and Marty got called to NY to answer for comments they (Joe) made...but they stuck together. Years later, Pallone had some kind of sex charge against a minor or something brought against him though I do not know if he was guilty or even arrested. Shitty umpire, though.
Polone struck Rose,first.Heat of the moment not withstanding.
Larry Wax rose tapped him by accident and you can see polone mouth don’t fking touch me and rose lost it
Rose ejected the umpire?
@@Yungtisa no no no .... PALLONE touched him in the face FIRST, then Rose retaliated by shoving him. Watch the video again
@@brianbaird1503 Pallone wrote in his book that he never touched Rose. I have never seen a manager or player shove an umpire no matter how heated the argument got. Im not the type to call someone a liar without proof but I think Pallone is a liar.
@@brianbaird1503 Exactly correct.
Back when The Reds could draw fans nowadays hardly anyone has that kind of love for baseball in Cincinnati .
That kind of love for baseball has been lost for years it seems like.
what happened w/the fans of Cinci? They had great fans during the Sparky coached era before he came to our Tigers.
MLB is anti-etihw.
@@patriotjoe6919 1990 was a long time ago if you get what I mean ,alot of fans stopped coming year after year of disappointment and trading away all the good players.
Or anywhere else.
I was at this game at age 11....my first game...what a great one!
Was my first game as well. Just everyone chanting "Pete! Pete! Pete!" was one of those memories that stayed in my head. That and I remembered people throwing trash onto the field. I seem to remember the Reds losing that game, but to this day I've not been to a game in person as crazy as this one was.
I love how Conception's name takes up the whole jersey
Concepcion , you were close
Saltalamacchia
Try "Marty Schottenheimer" from when he was an NFL player! I think he played for Kansas City.
Immaculate conception
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 By Roberta Alomar...........
The 1st baseman can't assume anything. Whether the runner is safe or out he HAS to look at the runner on 3rd. Never assume anything in baseball.
Exactly. You can't assume a thing. The umpire was wrong in not making a call but the first basemen was wrong in not doing anything. The fans were angry that day and rightfully so but throwing things on the field is unacceptable.
Pallone was forced to resign after an article "outed" him later that year. Forced to resign because he was gay. Not because he sucked as an umpire.
*****
Also Rose should have reemed the 1st baseman Esasky after the game for letting in that run. Not even the announcers mentioned anything about "not assuming anything" in baseball, lol!
Announcers then and now are horrible. At 2:37 they are whining about the 1st base coach getting in the way of Esasky...Esasky never even looked to home. If you watched only Esasky on the play you would never even know there was a runner going from 3rd to home.
Announcers...they truly ruin the game by mis-educating the viewers. Those terrible coaches and parents at the youth ball fields are taught their ignorance from the homers on the local games and the idiots on the national broadcasts.
+eight inches My thoughts exactly. The first baseman has to be watching the runner regardless and make the play to home just in case. I don't understand why he nor the announcers ever picked up on that. Yes, Dave Pallone was wrong for not making an immediate call like he's supposed to but Esasky should have made the play to home anyway.
eight inches umpires are also supposed to make a call within a second or two not 5 or 10
Pete's so mad you'd think he had money bet on this game. Hey, wait a minute!
At least he was betting on his OWN team, so, what's the BIG controversy, if it was the OTHER teams, well, okay, but, he bet on his OWN freakin' team!!!!!!!
Can Pete ever make up the damage and get into the HOF?
So easy to make this comment dude... from your couch. Pete Rose was the ultimate ballplayer, that you like it or not. Keep up the good work on easy jokes. LOL
Real classy...
@@elvicare35 Do you not understand the anti-gambling laws set down by MLB Commissioner Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis in 1920? They're pretty much zero tolerance.
"Pallone Again, Naturally"
MilwaukeeM 50 johnny bench and Paul HouseHolder would spend the night together when ever they could pallone wrote it in his book and either of them sued him for libel so it must have happened.
To MilwaukeeM 50-Either th at or Joe West.
Good one
Boy those early 90s Reds teams. A crazy owner, manager. What the hell was in the water back then? On the other side those Reds teams created a template for how the game is played today. The bullpen 7 8 and 9 guys all started by those nasty boys of the reds bullpen.
Gilbert O'Sullivan
That first base coach should have been charged with interference.
Wow! I don't remember this! Great footage!
Pallone and Eric Gregg. As much as I can't stand Rose, I can understand his frustration with two of the worst umps in MLB history.
You mean besides Charlie Williams and Angel Hernandez.
Remember Gregg's punching out the guy with a strike three call that was 1 foot off the plate.........that was it, he was forced to retire shortly afterwards
+Famijoly for me the worst umpires in mlb history are joe west and alfonso marques but this douche pallone definitely deserves dis-honorable mention
It was the playoffs and it wasn't just one guy. He was punching batters out left and right on pitches nowhere near the plate. Sad he passed away but he was a horrible umpire.
What does Eric Gregg have to do with this?
Shit happens when Mookie Wilson hits ground balls.....
Bill Buckner was there, too.
Right? LOL
Although I never lived anywhere near Cincinnati, I just happened to be driving by Riverfront Stadium at the exact moment this happened, listening on the radio. Weird.
You should’ve stopped in for all the fun! 😃
Say what you will about Pete Rose, but I'd want him on my team!
Won the Phillies the 1980 World Series !
Ok he's a liar and a bully and a bum
Takes one to know one Kenny.
He’s too old now
You would want an admitted pedophile on your team?
Pallone was the one who actually leaned in and made first contact. He made contact with his chest and then he pointed into the face of Rose and seems to have made contact. Unprofessional behavior for an umpire? Umpires should be more capable of controlling their emotions than what we see here.
He made no contact with Rose at all.
@@thomassmith350 yes he did his hand got Rose in the face when he pointed at him thats when he then shoved Dave Palone. Dave Palone started that entire thing that being said Pete can't touch him.
This ump was as guilty as rose.
Pete had at least 20Gs on this game
I laughed out loud
That's all ??
WoW
That was original
@Lloyd Bonafide
What !!???
What are you talking about ???
For the redlegs to win
My god, this brings back so many memories. This was my first time watching a baseball game at Riverfront stadium and the crowd noise was amazing. What the video doesn't do justice to was the fact that so many people were chanting "Pete! Pete! Pete!" after he shoved Dave Pallone. I remember at some point trash was getting thrown into the field and the game was delayed for a while and the Pallone left the game. Sadly the Reds lost that day, but my god this was a memory I cherish to this day. The most eventful baseball game I ever got to watch in person.
Please don’t take Our Lord’s Name in vain. Peace!
@@RapidCycling07
Jesus….Calm down, will ya?
@@RapidCycling07Please get the stick out of your butt and let people comment whatever they want. His comment actually had something to do with the video. Did yours? I didn't think so.
Exactly! STFU rapidcycling!!! 🙄
Esasky should have thrown home regardless. Don't stop and stand there and just look at the umpire waiting.
+gozhven Well said
The was done purposely
That umpire was an incompetent idiot. Make a damn call! You’re right there! Then it looks like the idiot pokes Rose in the face! That’s why Rose shoved his dumbass. The ump should go back to the minors.
Roger B - Go fuck yourself!
What if the runner to first would have been the third out?
It's amazing no punches were thrown by these men, especially by Pete Rose.
Lucky for Pallone. Rose would have destroyed him.
Pete Rose only swung at 150lb shortstops.
@@biffmarcum5014 LOL, Bud Harrelson
As an Umpire, 1B umpire allows 1B coach to draw a line in the dirt and make the call for him. Pete Rose has every reason to be upset. Umpire then finger pokes him. Both the Umpire and Rose are wrong on this one. Rose should not have bumped the umpire. The umpire baited Rose into the bump. In my opinion after 20+ years of umping including 1 year of Pro and 12 of College, this is a great example of how not to handle a situation.
Rose did not bump the umpire, he shoved the umpire. The difference in suspension time is about 20 days.
I understood the suspension of Rose for this contact was the heaviest ever until that time, maybe since, do you know?
Rose seemed to have that effect on people, literally they loved him or hated him.Bart Giamatti hated him, ha.
I don't think Rose was wrong what so ever. I'm tired of seeing the assholes putting there hands on player and baiting them into an altercation. Rose should broke Pallones nose. But for that f*#king Union the league had to punish Rose. Bullshit
1B coach comes onto field of play during a live ball
@@horsehide3039 But he died just two weeks after banning Rose for life.
Karma's a bitch, ain't it???
That's the first time I've ever seen an umpire get ejected from a game lol
Wey'll... yell at him why dontcha!
he never even meant to do it...cawwdd
+jdspreest 222830 If you ask me a lot more should be.
Ejected nearly by the crowd alone.
It's good that they took him out. Not only did he instigate that shove from Pete (and you can say whatever you want about Pete, and believe me, I can say plenty), but the crowd would have eaten him alive for a late night snack if he'd stayed in the game.
From what I saw, Pete Rose was furious and very demonstrative, but he never got too close to Dave Pallone. He kept moving around in a semi-circle but didn't get up against Pallone. It was Pallone's moving up into Pete's face that forced the issue (right around the 35-36 second mark of the video). If I was in Pete's shoes I'd have done the same thing, just to get him out of my face.
oh look more unrly fans who can't seem grasp a damn thing
Christopher or Chris/Critter C You can't seem to grasp the English language.
Jerry: Rose pushed him. No ifs ands or buts. And you can't do that, no matter whether the umpire gets "in your face" or not. If you watch again, you'll see Rose is the definition of "in yer face" here. I understand him being mad, but that's no excuse.
It always seems like Pete Rose is playing against the Mets every time there's an incident like this.
He absolutely made contact with Pete and poked him in the chest full force...if you were in the stands then you saw it.
Gotta feel for poor Dave Pallone he uploaded this and STILL can't get the fans to side with him lol.
GAME4WAR he made a late call and started the fight time won’t change that
Late call from Pallone? Even this video is running a bit slow.
How do you get the fans to side with you when you blew the call? Plus, he made contact with Rose first, albeit accidentally.
Poor Dave Pallone? He got into umpiring in MLB when there was an umpiring strike one year. He was hated by almost everybody and made tons of calls like that for years. I never felt a bit sorry for him! In fact he was sorry!
@No One Or Joe West.
I don't think most of these commenters realize that the ump involved in this is the actual person who uploaded this video haha
+billy smith I wasn't asking for roll-call of the people who did jackass
He is a gay man
@Lloyd Bonafide No, Glenn Burke was! lol
@@npoemail5268 sweet
Wow, I didn’t realize.👏
Baseball was exciting back then, now I can't stand baseball.
Since they adopted the Softball in Painter's Pants Ethos.
Agree
@No One I hear ya!
Get off my lawn
You don't like pitching changes? Who doesn't like pitching changes? Swing for the fences or don't swing at all, bro. Singles are for dingles. Strikeouts are like beer. Whoever has a lot is awesome.
Man, I read the Pallone book and was a Pete Rose fan too. Anyone who's followed Pete knows he would not be above making Pallone's poke in the face worse by doctoring it. I think he did. However, it is VERY obvious that Pallone got him in the face, probably accidentally but cardinal rule if life, don't EVER hit a dude in the face. For years I thought I Pete made it up but seeing it again, you can see Pallone nailed him, and Pete almost immediately, to Eric Gregg explained why he went nuts.
Pallone moved in towards Rose and got in his face. Then he poked him in the face. He's lucky Rose didnt dismantle him right there.
If they put fucking Bonds in the hall they better put Pete in first..
damn straight.
Agreed!
Bonds didn't bet on baseball including games he managed. If you put Pete in you have to go back to the 1919 Chicago Black Sox Scandal when they banned 8 players for LIFE for betting / fixing games... until they let Shoeless Joe Jackson in who had the series of a lifetime and was banned because they said he Knew about the fix... so PED's is not the same as betting on games... betting games in which you play or manage is the ultimate sin so to speak....
and he friggin lied about it on national TV and numerous times... so bet on games and lied to investigators ... he knew he was wrong...
Bradley Updyke Yeah, and Bonds cheated his way to the greatest record in ALL of sports. He's a fucking disgrace, That's Aaron's record....And Roger Maris is STILL the single season home run king.
Thank you for the upload Mr. Palone. Things get heated in the moment, things are said and done, all part of the game of baseball.
This ump seemed overly aggressive.
@@wc8582 he definitely was. He was was one of those umps who think the fans pay to see them. The best umps are the ones who go unnoticed throughout the game.
@@neverpc4404Yup; along w/Ted Hendry, Kenny Kaiser, & Angel Hernandez. Ted Hendry rubs me the wrong way bc there was a game where he was antagonistic 2wards Sparky Anderson (this occurred in the early 1990s) during a game in Cleveland (Tigers- Indians/Guardians). Hendry was the Crew Chief & 1st Base Umpire this particular night; he made an egregious call that pissed off Sparky. Long story short, Hendry made gestures 2wards Sparky essentially attempted 2 provoke Sparky 2 punch Hendry (4tun8ly, Sparky didn't fall 4 Hendry's baiting) I'll tell ya this, though; I would've slugged Ted Hendry bc he's an antagonist who needed 2 b "put in his place".
@@wc8582Having a-how shall we put this EVER so delicately for the delicate crowd-FLARE for the spotlight was something he did…🤷🏼♂️
And in 2019, the ump would have thrown Rose out for taking 3 steps on the field.
The umpire ejected Pete from the game and then ejected himself as well. That is highly unusual.
So he didn't take a bottle to the head.
i the he was told to leave by the crew chief
Pallone got the call right, but was out of line when he escalated with the contact with Rose. The 1st basemen must have known he pulled his foot, and wasn't going to get the call. I assume there were two outs, so he was waiting to see if the Mets at bat in the inning was over or not. Can't blame a slightly delayed call for lack of situational awareness by a paid professional player.
Nonsense. This was totally on the umpire who made a delayed call.
@@vgr112261 a delayed call prevents the first baseman from throwing home? Please explain how. The Reds 1B looked home immediately when he got the ball. Why? He knew he might not have gotten him out. Anyway, the U1's call is never immediate; the ball could be dropped, the runner could be tagged, etc. This one was on the Reds and Rose going nuts was on him. The level of hatred towards umpires/officials is just astounding. Its no wonder why no one wants to do that job and why youth leagues will be obsolete in the near future. People like you will deserve it.
The Sports Writers need to make a Baseball Hall of Infamy. Then we give Pete Rose that award and that will be the end of it.
"You don't live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!" Whatever, Sam.
This was an infrequent occurrence in Cincinnati. The "Dawg Pound" in Cleveland, on the other hand, were notorious for bad behavior and were basically the AFC's version of Philadelphia Eagles fans.
I was watching Reds coverage of the game. Marty Breneman was yelling “on air” calling Pallone a scab, ripping the guy, ranting & raving. So, of course, Marty’s later elected to the MLB HOF.
He wasn't elected to the Hall of Fame. He was given an award the Hall of Fame hands out annually. That goes for the writers, too.
@@brooklynwilbury4446 Yes, Marty Brennaman is in the Hall of Fame. He was elected to receive the Ford Frick Award in 2000, so he's in the broadcast wing of Baseball's Hall of Fame. That wing of the HOF opened around 1978 with Mel Allen and Red Barber the first members.Writers don't receive the Ford Frick Award as far as I know. It's just for broadcasters.
I would love to hear that whole Marty & Joe call of the thing. It has probably been erased from the archives.. lol Both announcers got a chewing out from the commissioner for their on-air comments. But it was great. Kind of the beginning of the end for Pete. I kind of agree with Marty & Joe, they reacted and told it as they saw it.
Funny watching old footage of the MLB, there are so many names of totally forgotten players , and at one point you thought they were bigger than life only to see their names turn to dust, kinda puts things in perspective
I GET MAD WHEN I HEAR THE SO-called sports annourers blame the fans FOR WHAT PLAYERS OR UMPS DO
You have no idea how wrong you are. Ralph Branca/Bobby Johnson. Look em up.
Did you notice who the Reds pitcher was?
Doh!
The message from Marge at the end...”cool it” 😂
Yes. Marge always knew the right thing to say
@@andrewyoung2796 And at the right time, too.
Probably said with a Virginia Slims dangling from her mouth...
Marge learned that from The Fonz...."Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!"
I know a lot of people talk about the umpiring of today but Dave Pallone was THE WORST UMPIRE I ever saw.
Dave Pallone, the 1980's version of Angel Hernandez
MAN UTD soccer is for fucking retards
Pallone was worse believe it or not! That is really saying something!
Pallone was super turned on when Rose bumped him. Called him safe on purpose and tried to kiss Charlie Hustle when he came out to argue!
M Soccer players ? Shit keep that crap in Europe where it belongs
The ump made contact first. The ump union was out of control until they all decided to quit and then had to beg to get their jobs back.
I was living in North Carolina during this time. I just happened to be in the Cincinnati area visiting relatives and was actually driving by Riverfront Stadium, listening to the game on the radio when this happened.
davepallonedotcom, do you have the description of the play from WLW Radio (Marty Brennaman and Joe Nuxhall) (4-30-1988)
Marie Pavlov I'd love to hear that and the call from WFAN 1050 as well.
WFAN 1050 (Bob Murphy and Gary Thorne)
The best part of this video? The message at the end from “Marge”, asking that the fans not throw objects onto the field. Apparently, Marge Schott was the lone voice of reason throughout this chaos, LOL. 😂🤣
If Marge had any balls should have fired Rose the very next day. SOB should have gone to prison for felony assault.
@@viking956 Prison for felony assault for...shoving an umpire? Ur an absolute moron.
Ump would’ve joined him.
that's how you know you're screwed up, when Marge Schott is the voice of reason...lmao
"my dog shits on that field, please keep it clean"
There are still so many unanswered questions about the character of Dave Pallone. I read his book, and aside from being a union busting umpire, what bothered me most was the incident in upstate New York where he was present at what was literally an orgy party featuring underage boys. He claims he was taken by surprise when he saw one of the boys walk into the den of the house while only scantily clad, and was upset with his hosts for having people of that age present. However, he fails to explain the gap of several hours between when he first saw one of the boys in the house, and the time he actually left the house. Moreover, he writes about he cheated (he claims only once) on the guy with whom he was involved at the time (and who would later die in a car accident), hardly the mark of a credible or upstanding person. He is now partnered with a guy young enough to be his son, which goes further to explain his propensity toward unacceptably young attractions. Sorry, but I am really having a hard time with his crusading.
Wow! Did he associate with that other pervert, Jeffrey Epstein? 🤔🤔
@@alan30189 Or Jerry Sandusky???
Didn’t know he was a mo.
Yeah. He’s messed up in the head, like all of his type
@@bloodwrage What "type" is that?
I reject the concept that officials should be above accountability. They should have to answer for their failures just like everyone else!
I realize this was probably from a old vcr tape, but did Sportschannel use cameras from 1946? Even back then I remmeber saying how awful the quality of the picture was.
Pete was about 2 seconds from knocking this guy out.
bullshit ...he was just too chicken..he had all chances
You never touch an umpire unless the umpire touches you.
Von Noosh Exactly
more like 5 tool. go back to playing forte night, or whatever it is you do...
5 tool?? Pete Rose?? He could hit. Not with power, not much speed, adequate defensively. He could hit singles.
I was at this game, sitting down the first base line, right behind the bag, about 20 rows from the field. Mookie was out from here to Christmas and everyone knew it, including Mookie.
The whole place erupted in protest. Did I throw my big cup of Coke onto the field? Maybe 😁
There's a misconception about umpires that they are always right, that is not accurate, they fails more often than anyone could imagine. Pete Rose had a temper but this umpire was way out of the line.
As a ball player you have to keep going no matter the call. Rose for the HOF.
He ACCEPTED a LIFETIME BAN!!! He’ll only get in POSTHUMOUSLY!!!!!
If you ACCEPT ROSE, YOU GOTTA ACCEPT EVERY GUY DID SOMETHING WRONG IN BASEBALL THAT ARE BANNED FROM THE HALL.
AND I DON'T THINK THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
And there is that piece of crap, Eric Gregg. One of the worst umpires to EVER take the field. He had a strikezone 6 inches high and 5 feet wide.
I miss those 2hr and 30 minute games!
Remember, he was a scab. He crossed the umpires' picket line during a strike, realizing that his mediocre talents could not otherwise get him a position in the major leagues. I find it hypocritical on his part that he is such an advocate for gay causes, but not labor causes.
if you watch Pete Rose and all u can't think about is gambling, you are not a baseball fan. Rose is baseball. Most exciting player ever
Not, a singles hitter at best, arrogant fuck completely
He was arrogant because he hustled and went all out. And got RBIs when needed. Dependably. And he knew it. He also knew when opponents and team mates were dogging it. Justifiably arrogant.
@@scottgoodman8993 once a cheat,always a cheat. Take a Hank Aaron over him any day. Guy was humble yet put up numbers that dwarf Rose. Rose is where he belongs
Rose gambled. The one thing you don't do in baseball is gamble on it. All else is forgiven. Baseball comes before Rose.
@@joeylawn36111 Yeah right along with you assclown.
As I remember, this ump worked as a scab during the umpires strike.
He was, and was pretty much not liked. And this sleazeball left out the fact he touched Rose first. Pallone should have received some disciplinary action for his behavior as well.
“How I spent my Summer Vacation.”
By Pete Rose
I can't stop laughing, that was great. Love the fan reaction, hapless groundskeepers meaninglessly picking up debris, and Pallone running for his life.😅
Pete let his emotions get the best of him more than once.
True!!!!
Dave Concepcion is still playing baseball in 1988. He played in the 1970 World Series and 3 others since.
Did ya get in trouble with Bill Haller on this one Dave?
*"He was fined $10,000 and suspended for 30 days for his actions"*
...Hell, Pete could make that much back in 10 minutes at a casino.
Bullshit. Why are the umps not accountable. It's obvious Pallone made contact with Rose.
@@richmatula931 It inadvertently cost him his career. Pallone is gay, and the public scrutiny from the situation led to a NY Post article where he was "outed". This led to Dave's resignation.
He did.
Or from a pay phone outside the managers office.
Pete must have had big money down on this one.
LMAO!!
He had the spread covered until that run.😂
"HEY! You just cost me a hundred bucks!!" -- Pete Rose ;)
@John Berg Why, because the truth hurts?
That is precisely why Pete Rose should never be in the Hall. Everything that happens in a game that he is involved in makes people wonder whether he bet on that game.
Never argue or fight
Wow. Pete Rose SHOVED an umpire.
Gotta wonder how much MONEY PETE HAD RIDING ON THE GAME.
Dave Pallone was the worst umpire I ever saw. In this case he not only blew the call but he poked Pete Rose right under his eye. Maybe Pete shouldn't have shoved Pallone but I don't blame him. Can you imagine if Pallone did that to Billy Martin, Earl Weaver or Lou Piniella? They would've decked him in no time flat. Fortunately for baseball Pallone was out of the game a few years later.
Yeah I would hate to see what Billy Martin would have done!
Hey Pallonedotwhatever, here's a better description: Pete was upset with me because I failed to do my job as an umpire, which is to make a quick and decisive call, and eventually got thrown out because I lost my temper and poked him in the face as a result :( He was fined $10,000 and suspended for 30 days for his actions, I received no punishment because I'm consider myself above the players and managers......
Pallone walks into him first, and nearly pokes him in the eye.
Pete had every right to chest bump that late-call-making idiot.
Did you make contact with him?
Methinks the ump should have gotten suspended too.
Ask MLB and they'll tell you umps are right 100% of the time no questions asked.
But of course.
cnralph that's not true, Joe west was suspended 1 game for touching a player
Stop the press. That solves it. I guess if 1 guy was suspended 1 game then that solves all the MLB umpiring problem. You've got clown's that the MLB wouldn't get rid of and when the player's/managers complained on some the MLB's fix was to fine player's/managers if they criticize umpires. MLB has always been a joke holding umpires accountable.
cnralph all I was saying that your statement was wrong cause with that 1 guy its not 100%of the time
I remember watching this with my grandpa when I was a kid. I think he destroyed everything in the living room except the TV.
Well mine was also a retired manager for Venezuelan professional baseball, and I played with fire a night like this one....We were watching the game with his favorite time (Caracas Lions) with Omar Vizquel at bat down 5-3 with 1 out and a runner on 1st on the 9th...Vizquel was struck out looking with a ball on the far away corner (note: VIzquel was on his way to 1st but the umpire had a little "delay" on the call)....MAN! He was completely INSANE! He began yelling at the TV calling the umpire a piece of s*** and other bad language!! He even started breaking things....my mistake was to say "of course! that was a complete good call! hell yeah!" (Note: I hate that team)....he didn't speak to me for days....my grandma said that she couldn't tell how I survived that night....hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
“I think he made contact”
I still think a MLB umpire on a tv game is going to get punched for a poor call its bound to happen
pallone touched him first!
Pete Rose is definitely in the Top 10 of greatest players ever!
Remember, Rose LIED TO US FOR 14 YEARS & THE ONLY REASON HE CAME "CLEAN" ON BETTING ON BASEBALL WAS BECAUSE IT WAS HIS LAST YEAR OF ELIGIBILITY FOR THE HOF. PETE ROSE IS A LYING JACKASS.
Steve Dandy
Whats any of what you said have to do with his baseball playing ability?
Nothing. But, he committed the "cardinal sin" of baseball - he bet on it. He impugned the INTEGRITY of the game. Ergo, the game owes him nothing.
ranks 3 with me behind Mays and Junior Griffey
That's fine, Will. I have no problem with that. How YOU view Rose is YOUR opinion. I played sandlot ball when I was very young and I was TAUGHT to "play fair & be honest." Pete played hard, but he was NOT "fair" nor "honest." Do I expect him to be perfect? No, but I do expect him to be better. WE deserve that and so does the game.
long lost was the radio description of the Pete Rose-Dave Pallone altercation from WFAN Radio with Bob Murphy & Gary Throne (New York) and WLW Radio with Marty Brennaman & Joe Nuxhall (Cincinnati).
Marty and Joe were priceless: "he's out... and now he's safe and let me tell ya, Dave Pallone STINKS. He's the worst umpire in the National League"
Joe: "And hes a scab too Marty" - that was the beginning and probably not the exact words but that's how I remember it. Many of the fans in the park were listening to Marty and Joe, and a lot of their reactions were incited by the announcers. I wasn't at the game, just listening on the radio. It was just one of those unforgettable moments - the Reds and Mets were at each other the whole season. There was one game where a Reds player got beaned, and opening the next inning the Reds pitcher - I think it was Browning - drilled Tim Tuefel... and a big fight. And there was the game when the Reds scored 10 runs off Ron Darling in the first inning, kinda taking out their frustration with the Mets in general.
If Pallone poked Rose in the face, why was Rose 'clearly in the wrong'? It's called self defense, people.
Pete “You just cost me 500 bucks!!”
Pete must have bet on this game and this is proof that he didn't bet against his team.
Pete was INSANE for betting on ⚾️ but I don't believe he ever bet against himself or his teams...That's not what he was about...
Lol this was uploaded by the ump?
Did Pallone ever receive a suspension or disciplinary action?
What is missed on this play is.... good hustle by Mookie!
Mookie always hustled. A great ballplayer.
Mookie was average
Wow! I was there on April 30 in the stands in riverfront stadium we went wild! I felt sorry for the boss Marge shoot, she was always very polite with US the fans! May GOD bless your soul Marge 😇😔😔 in
Heaven!!!!!!!!
Heaven? She was a Nazi sympathizer!
If the umpire would have bowed up Rose would have fought him on the field on live TV that's how crazy he was.
I loved Fran Healy announcing...oh..oh!