I enjoyed the video, good real world explanation. Here’s my take on it, now. I’ve got a 4xe on order. It’s on the train now, expected in Phoenix on the first week of May, so I have been doing a little thinking on comparing my electric and gas costs. I just read the EPA way of calculating it. To me, it’s not a real world measure. So here goes my proposed methodology. 1. Charge the battery fully. Go out and drive on electric only, have Max Regen ON. Record the number of miles I drove. My charger tells me the amount of electricity in kW, that it took to charge the battery after this drive. I know how much I pay per kWh. Let’s say it took 5kW for 3 hours to charge the battery, That’s 15kWh. I pay 12.5 cents per kWh. So it cost me $1.875 to charge the car. Let’s say I drove 20 miles, so my cost was $1.875/20 = $0.09375 Or 9.4 cents per mile on electric. 2. Fill up the car with gas, drive around on gas only, save the battery and do not charge the battery or have the Max Regen on. I paid $3.00 per gallon. I travelled 100 miles and used 4 gallons. So 4 gal * $3.00 per gallon, = $12.00. I travelled 100 miles. So $12.00/ 100 miles = $0.12 / mile. 12 cents per mile. So my Jeep efficiency on electric is 0.12/0.094 = 1.277 better on electricity than on gas. So my Jeep is 28% cheaper to run on electricity than gasoline. So my MPGe at my electricity cost and my gas cost is: 25 + (25 * .277) = 31.925 MPGe. About 32 mile per gallon equivalent on electric, versus gas. Of course this number is a variable, based on your electric costs and your gas costs. In my case I have solar panels, so my out of pocket costs for electricity is what the utility would pay me if I sold it to them, instead of using it on the Jeep, that’s 10.45 cents/ kWh. On electricity, my cost is 7,84 cents per mile. So my MPGe at $3.00/ gallon is. 38 MPGe. That’s the way I’m looking at it. Trying to relate it back to a dollar cost. I do believe gasoline will go up faster and higher than electricity will, so I do think it will get cheaper over time to drive on electric, rather than gasoline. Besides all the intangibles, less pollution, fewer oil changes, etc.
I think the 53 (or official 49 MPG) is actually the MPGe of the electric motor alone, the gas engine gets about 20 MPG. I mean if you do the math it works (1mi/kWh=33.7MPGe) so that 49 "MPG" would give you about 1.5 mi/kWh. You only have an access to %85 of your 17.6 kWh battery, you're left with about 15 kWh. Multiply that by the 1.5 mi/kWh, you end up with you 21/22 miles of pure electric range. They should've presented that in better way. The more you drive on electric, the closer you're to 49, the more gas, you drop all the way down to 20. The reality it would be kind of an average closer to gas for most people which in your case is 30 Avg MPG. Is there a way to fully reset that including the average MPG and history data? It's still probably considering your previous drives which is why you have a lower average.
I'm interested to see what the actual manually calculated MPG comes in at with no plugging in. My wife and I swap vehicles regularly. My commute is 8 miles each way and hers in 40+ each way. (ordered a Rubicon 4xe today)
I did a 4,596 mile road trip. It was me and my two adult sons with hundreds of pounds of gear in the back. We were doing 80+mph for a few days until I slowed down due to seeing how much more gas it burns at those speeds. But for the whole trip, we ended up at 21.5MPG and I tracked that in Fuelly. I’d say real world is more like 24 MPG but I have an experiment coming up where I’m not going to charge for an entire tank.
@@Wrangler4XEFans Interesting. Thanks for sharing. No where near as good as what I was expecting. Wife has a ‘20 High Altitude with the top option V6, and her averages are typically 22ish mpg.
@@OnTheOpenRoad That's the down side of a plug-in hybrid. Its strength is in shorter trips. The vehicle has the added benefit of the hybrid system but it has the added weight too. So I won't say that it cancels out but the added weight takes away some of the added benefit of the hybrid system on long trips. But I did get 24.1MPG in a recent road trip test at 70MPH so that's pretty descent. ua-cam.com/video/p9KZzuUuZV4/v-deo.html
I've had a 24 rubicon 4xe for 2 weeks now. It has the 2.0 turbo. Full tank and full charge it gives less than 300 miles range. Driving 200 miles in Ca. With hills at 70 plus I barely get 17 mpg. This things curb weight is 5200 lbs. I add some tool bags and a pack out. I've driven the rubicon with the v6 and averaged 19 mpg and the wrangler sport 2.0 turbo got 24 mpg. And over 340 range. I thought I wanted the 4xe but was very disappointed. If you are going 20 ish miles round trip, it may be for you. If you need to go distance, maybe not. It also takes 2 plus hours to charge from half battery😮. This is just my findings.
Too funny. I watched a lot of David Letterman growing up. I wonder if that impacted my speech patterns? Is it the patterns or the voice? I’m fascinated now.
I’m just shy of 7.5 miles from work & 1 mile from grocery stores & mall. So i could us it on electric only and recharge after every day or end of the week!
i met one jeep 4xe owner, to my surprise he doesnt charge the battery..... not sure why he purchased plugin hybrid. I wonder how many 4xe owners are like that
It’s not bad. And when I say “not bad” that’s a relative statement compared to other Jeeps. It’s just slightly better than the 2.0 gas model. If we try to compare it to a Prius, then yeah, it’s horrible.
Tesla uses the inverse of MPkWh for efficiency, right? Wh / mile, where a small efficient Model 3 uses about 300 Wh / mile which corresponds to about 3 miles / kWh. Wonder if the Wrangler efficiency is about 1 kWh / mile which is 1 mile / kWh.
First off, thanks for the video, a good explanation. Second note, unless I'm mistaken and/or my electric motorcycle is set up wrong from the factory (Zero SR) EV efficiency is measured in Wh/mi or kWh/100 miles, not mi/kW.
If I drove 300 miles, starting on a full tank, and then filled up at the end of those 300 miles, how many gallons would it take on average (in auto hybrid mode), and therefore what is the equivalent mpg? That’s what would be very helpful to know before buying. (I see the percentage of battery life, but I presume that would fully recharge over the course of 300 miles and just continually use itself as needed in hybrid mode?) Also, what is the plug-in like each night? Is there a converter to switch it to a Standard outside wall plug, or does a special outlet need to be put in to charge? What’s an empty to full charge time like time wise?
Just did a road test: ua-cam.com/video/p9KZzuUuZV4/v-deo.html The Wrangler 4XE doesn't fully recharge itself over the course of 300 miles unless the eSave + charge mode is selected. Due to the added demand on the engine to run in that state, it uses more gas. So it's best to just leave it in hybrid mode like I did in the link up above. But here's a video where I experimented with Esave. ua-cam.com/video/WH9Qe127q9o/v-deo.html You can charge with a standard 120 volt outlet. It takes a little over 12 hours that way. You can install a level 2 charger that uses 240 volts. That takes about 2.5 hours. Here's my setup: ua-cam.com/video/MAN3QYnBbUE/v-deo.html
I have a 2021 Jeep Wrangler unlimited Sahara 4xe With a hybrid mode And driving 30 to 35 mph on the streets on traffic I get 65 to 76 mpg but I love this jeep 4xe I paid 120 bucks a month for gas That’s if I have to drive a long distance Or Driving Highway but When I was on the market looking for a hybrid vehicle the Honda CRV and a Toyota RAV4 hybrid cross my mind but the mpg was at 36.8 and 35.2 but The best hybrid was the jeep wrangler at 49+ mpg for a gallon so I Bought my jeep 4xe my last car was a 2020 Jeep grand Cherokee 80 anniversary 3.6 that suv Cost me $100 every 3 days I gas And I do drive a lot so And I Montalvo spent $1200 on my Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6 so I am saving now like $1080 each month on gas but You don’t need to buy a level 2 charger for your house But to have someone install the level to charger and to buy the wires for my breaker and The installation I paid 1,000 but You need to buy the level 2 charger Because going to charging stations Specially the j1772 plug It’s always busy Sometimes I get lucky to be able to charge my car at the shopping centers
Its a good enough number for most people who charge at home and want (low electricity cost) to minimize their gas expense...hence MPG is what they want to see. For someone who drives under 50 miles per day they should be getting great MPG like 49 mpge in the 4xe, since the first 20 to 25 miles is all electric.
Yea That’s how understand it For most people efi live and with in the same city/town and don’t jump on the highway to commute or “really enjoy” their ride to work every morning in a dukes of hazzard way. They won’t use any gas for most in town trips to work or the store. But I think the majority will want to get the “power” from the gas and electric combined And there will be much lamenting about the crappy gas mileage Cuz it won’t be any better than any other 2.0 turbo charged with big ole tires
I placed my order for my 4xe Rubicon 3 weeks ago. The main reason for leasing this is that Im getting $7500 off the top as my down payment so I can now afford it. Here's my question. If I drive only in electric for the 20+- miles, and then I'm driving on gas only after that, does the 375 HP now drop since the electric motors can no longer work with the gas engine, and if so, how much horsepower am I getting on the gas engine driving 5500 pounds?.
The Wrangler 4XE is always a hybrid. The Wrangler 4XE doesn’t have a “gas mode”. After the battery is depleted, the 4XE still has about 15% (give or take) of battery left. It then goes on to hybrid mode where the gas engine and both electric motor/generators will grab opportunities to charge the battery to that 15%. It will use and replace that energy in hybrid mode like any other hybrid. If you watch some of my other videos, I did some 0-60 runs with the battery depleted and there’s no loss of power. The full 375hp is always there.
@@Wrangler4XEFans Thats amazing, I had no idea that the 375 HP remains regardless. So then the even after a 200 mile road it still remains at full HP and Torque?.
I have 80 miles round trip daily commute mostly freeway, but I can get the Jeep fully charged every 40 miles (home & work)..I’m curios to know what my actual MPG looks like..I just ordered one
How are you measuring that? Are you calculating at the pump or going off the dash? If you are doing it on the dash, have you reset it since you bought it? Are you plugging it in?
Volkswagen does not cap at 99mpg. My GTI shows in the hundreds briefly when drifting down hill but then quickly changes to "---". Those dashed mean infinite because its a PZEV vehicle. So when not pressing the gas it is not using any gas despite it not being a hybrid. So theres at least 1 auto maker that calculates mpg using infinite mpg during no gas pedal.
Problem with PHV's is that you still have to pay for the electricity. And 15-20mi per charge can actuality be more expensive than gas depending on where you live. I got an all gas model because i dont think the regen can make up $15k over 5-10yrs. Im biased too because my last hybrid battery died at 105k. Guessing 15y battery life might make back your $15k. Btw if you drive the gas model a little lighter, you can get 25/30 mpg. Guessing most people who love the V6 wont be able to tolerate going 10mph slower and accelerate slower.
Great video thank you. I drive about 20 miles a day I think this would be good for me. I have a 2020 jl on 35s. And I get 11 mpg. Bc I have so many stops in 3mil.
That’s one test I want to do. I want to drive the same distance in two tests: one on a straight drive with few stops and one in stop and go. I want to see how much of a difference there is.
I've had mine for 1 week. Level 2 charger is a must. Level 1 charger is a joke. Took up to 14 hours to charge. I drive 20 miles round trip to work, so I should be able to drive using all electric most days. I do charge when I get home in case I go somewhere else that evening. Trying to find the most efficient drive mode .....electric or hybrid for my daily 20 mile commute.
If you know your daily travel can be covered in electric mode, that’s the most efficient. Hybrid mode will mostly keep you in electric as long as you keep your foot out of it. So it would work too.
I feel like something is still missing in this analysis. If the Jeep thinks it's getting 99mpg when it's running on all-electric power, why/how is the average on the trip odometer for an entirely electric drive only 53.6 and not 99? What's bringing the average down?
@@Wrangler4XEFans It looks like when you're stopped, the MPG goes from 99 to 0, and it's taking that 0 into account. You'll note in the video he starts at 53.6 MPG but by the end of the video it's down to 53.3 MPG. So in order to get it to show 99 MPG you can't ever stop. It's some really poor math calculations and creates an irrelevant metric. It should just take total miles / total fuel consumption, and if that is infinite (which in this example it isP) - just show "-" - this is what Volvo does in their PHEV. Or it could take into account some calculation of the MPGE under electric and create a blended efficiency metric, but I think that would just be confusing.
So farm, I found MPGe useless. I love my Rubi 4xe (4 by E? 4 X e?) I'm averaging around 25 miles on electric only as it is, though that drops on cold days. MPG on gasoline... I"m averaging around 22 when I take it easy? though 90% of my driving is in twon, so I don't spend much more than $30 amonth unless I go on a trip. I do find the car is excellent off road. I plan to put 35" tires and a 2" lift on it, so anyone knows how that will affect it? I heard 10% drop in range & fuel econ. Frankly, I got it b/c I mostly use electric on jeep, but have taken it to moab and got some nice MPG on that trip on hybrid (like, 24mpg! so must have had a nice tail wind) But I do love the electric motors off road. Love the car. Wish it was a bit wider to be able to carry 3 people comfortably on trips, that the front seat would go back further, but besides those things, I love the car. Would traide it Maybe if Jeep came out with 4xe Gladiator.
Similarly no clue but current battery technology will last 10 years with an 80% or higher charge retention. This means it’s still usable after 10 years but you 100% charge at that time will only retain about 80% of the energy that your 100% charge energy is today.
Quick question. If I have 60 mile commute (round trip) so 30 miles each way should I stay in hybrid mode both ways or electric one way and gas the way home?
Interested what others say that are way more knowledgeable than I am, but I would assume it doesn’t really matter (as long as your ‘gas the way home’ means hybrid and not e-save). The reason I say that is that hybrid mode favors electric so either way you are going to have a depleted battery (other than its reserve) by around the 30 mile mark. I state this from experience because I have a 30 mile each way commute.
@@davidcarrico3385 ok. Thanks for the input. I’ll try it out once I pick it up. But I figured my commute would benefit...my 2010 wrangler Sahara only gets around 17 mpg so I should do better
@@johnbambauer6925 absolutely it should. I have only done my commute a couple of times since I don’t go in every day but my commute, starting with a full battery, averages about 26mpg. It’s mostly highway.
@@johnbambauer6925 no problem, I also did one commute totally in eSave from a full battery, in 4-high auto. When I got back my battery was at 95% and my mpg was 21.4. I had a couple fewer highway miles as I had to exit due to an accident. I also have the steel bumpers, so carrying a little extra weight.
Can you PLEASE help us all and just drive it on full hybrid mode 70mph starting with full gas and battery for 100 miles and then let us know how much gas and battery is left at the end
I did two 120 and 130 miles tests after completely depleting the battery and got around 24 MPG. I'll have to do one after a full charge soon. Hard to get time to do all the tests I want to do.
@@Wrangler4XEFans thank you for the hard work! If you use full hybrid mode with a full battery (while refilling gas) would the battery never deplete in theory? just like a "normal" hybrid
@@Wrangler4XEFans ok i see, so if im driving 1000 miles and only filling up gas on the way, no recharge, i can expect to get 25mpg at worst, a bit better given how long the starting battery charge lasts
@@amitmillo1275 I’m guessing 24 to 25. However, I was doing some driving this morning on more rural roads where my speed was down around 60MPH and was seeing almost 27mpg.
When you say “gas mode” which mode are you referring to? The Wrangler 4XE is always a hybrid and doesn’t have a gas mode. The different modes change the bias of the hybrid system.
Yeah, well, eventually the Fuel and Oil Refresh Mode will kick on and force you to run the motor for a week or more, thereby defeating the purpose for making a PHEV. It’s stupid, I’ll be trading mine back next year!
A prius has a 8.8kw battery, a jeep has a battery twice that big. Prius weight 3200lbs, tesla model x is 5300lbs and it uses no gas (way bigger battery than a jeep, heavier than a jeep) there is no sticker that gets the mpg that it shows on the sticker. These are in perfect conditions
1. Deplete the battery completely. See how many miles it takes to fully charge the battery on E-save mode/gas only mode. 2. Using only “Hybrid” mode how many miles do you get on a full tank of gas and 1 full charge
49mpge is actually quite bad. probably half of what the sportiest Taycan is getting. but that is what u get when u have a boxy, heavy car with a huge frontal area and huge tires with high rolling resistance. but hey, theorethically, if u live in a place with cheap electricity, u could be driving to work(coz what else r u gonna do during lockdowns...oh wait, u have a wrangler to get away from people) for less than a Yaris Hybrid owner.
Technically, it's not an EV, it's a PHEV also sometimes called a HEV. But there a few good reasons. One reason is to be able to reduce the cost of operation. Electric is way cheaper by the mile than gas. The power is another reason. The combination of the gas engine and two electric motors is pretty amazing. 6 second 0-60. Another reason is the potential to reduce overall emissions both carbon and particulate.
The gas models are better on long trips. Set the cruise to 60mph and you can get 35mpg. Better also cause you didnt pay an extra $10k+ foe your car and $15k to replace a battery when it dies.
Wrong… at least in the GC 4xe even when running on all electric I get about 40-45mpg while using ZERO gas. It’s calculating mpge. My volt will tell me actual mpg(not mpge) and say I’m getting 250+ mpg when only using electric. Watch this for your actual explication of mpge and how it’s useful ua-cam.com/video/EfKuqscXE9o/v-deo.html
Did you watch the video or just reply to the thumbnail? I explain why it’s a silly number in the video. By the way, it’s not calculating MPGE. MPGE is not what that is. MPGE is an efficiency rating established during the test by the EPA. What’s on the screen is another set of calculations at work. I know, I know, a lot of people call that MPGE but if you read about what MPGE is, it’s not what is displayed on this screen. The formula used to establish the MPGE rating is on the sticker.
From what another UA-cam review it stated you save $200 person 1000 miles. 100,000 miles EV only = 20k saved You could buy base model 30k and save 20k up front
The price tag isn't the only motivation for me. I also wanted to reduce my personal carbon emissions. So there are other motivators for me outside of the money. Plus, I didn't want a base model. The Sahara 4XE comes with a lot of options that I wanted that aren't available in the Sport.
I enjoyed the video, good real world explanation.
Here’s my take on it, now. I’ve got a 4xe on order. It’s on the train now, expected in Phoenix on the first week of May, so I have been doing a little thinking on comparing my electric and gas costs. I just read the EPA way of calculating it. To me, it’s not a real world measure. So here goes my proposed methodology. 1. Charge the battery fully. Go out and drive on electric only, have Max Regen ON. Record the number of miles I drove. My charger tells me the amount of electricity in kW, that it took to charge the battery after this drive. I know how much I pay per kWh. Let’s say it took 5kW for 3 hours to charge the battery, That’s 15kWh. I pay 12.5 cents per kWh. So it cost me $1.875 to charge the car. Let’s say I drove 20 miles, so my cost was $1.875/20 = $0.09375 Or 9.4 cents per mile on electric. 2. Fill up the car with gas, drive around on gas only, save the battery and do not charge the battery or have the Max Regen on. I paid $3.00 per gallon. I travelled 100 miles and used 4 gallons. So 4 gal * $3.00 per gallon, = $12.00. I travelled 100 miles. So $12.00/ 100 miles = $0.12 / mile. 12 cents per mile.
So my Jeep efficiency on electric is 0.12/0.094 = 1.277 better on electricity than on gas. So my Jeep is 28% cheaper to run on electricity than gasoline. So my MPGe at my electricity cost and my gas cost is: 25 + (25 * .277) = 31.925 MPGe. About 32 mile per gallon equivalent on electric, versus gas. Of course this number is a variable, based on your electric costs and your gas costs.
In my case I have solar panels, so my out of pocket costs for electricity is what the utility would pay me if I sold it to them, instead of using it on the Jeep, that’s 10.45 cents/ kWh. On electricity, my cost is 7,84 cents per mile. So my MPGe at $3.00/ gallon is. 38 MPGe.
That’s the way I’m looking at it. Trying to relate it back to a dollar cost. I do believe gasoline will go up faster and higher than electricity will, so I do think it will get cheaper over time to drive on electric, rather than gasoline. Besides all the intangibles, less pollution, fewer oil changes, etc.
Great analysis.
Smart !
I agree with what you are saying. My commute to work is also about 8 miles. I might be able to go to work all week and not ever use gas.
I think the 53 (or official 49 MPG) is actually the MPGe of the electric motor alone, the gas engine gets about 20 MPG. I mean if you do the math it works (1mi/kWh=33.7MPGe) so that 49 "MPG" would give you about 1.5 mi/kWh. You only have an access to %85 of your 17.6 kWh battery, you're left with about 15 kWh. Multiply that by the 1.5 mi/kWh, you end up with you 21/22 miles of pure electric range. They should've presented that in better way. The more you drive on electric, the closer you're to 49, the more gas, you drop all the way down to 20. The reality it would be kind of an average closer to gas for most people which in your case is 30 Avg MPG. Is there a way to fully reset that including the average MPG and history data? It's still probably considering your previous drives which is why you have a lower average.
I'm interested to see what the actual manually calculated MPG comes in at with no plugging in. My wife and I swap vehicles regularly. My commute is 8 miles each way and hers in 40+ each way. (ordered a Rubicon 4xe today)
Me too. I think it's too early in the engine life to say. But I hope to get some real world numbers down the road.
I did a 4,596 mile road trip. It was me and my two adult sons with hundreds of pounds of gear in the back. We were doing 80+mph for a few days until I slowed down due to seeing how much more gas it burns at those speeds. But for the whole trip, we ended up at 21.5MPG and I tracked that in Fuelly. I’d say real world is more like 24 MPG but I have an experiment coming up where I’m not going to charge for an entire tank.
@@Wrangler4XEFans Interesting. Thanks for sharing. No where near as good as what I was expecting. Wife has a ‘20 High Altitude with the top option V6, and her averages are typically 22ish mpg.
@@OnTheOpenRoad That's the down side of a plug-in hybrid. Its strength is in shorter trips. The vehicle has the added benefit of the hybrid system but it has the added weight too. So I won't say that it cancels out but the added weight takes away some of the added benefit of the hybrid system on long trips. But I did get 24.1MPG in a recent road trip test at 70MPH so that's pretty descent.
ua-cam.com/video/p9KZzuUuZV4/v-deo.html
At 70 MPH on the interstate with very little in town driving, we got less than 20. This was an 244 miles trip in 80F
I've had a 24 rubicon 4xe for 2 weeks now.
It has the 2.0 turbo. Full tank and full charge it gives less than 300 miles range. Driving 200 miles in Ca. With hills at 70 plus I barely get 17 mpg. This things curb weight is 5200 lbs. I add some tool bags and a pack out. I've driven the rubicon with the v6 and averaged 19 mpg and the wrangler sport 2.0 turbo got 24 mpg. And over 340 range. I thought I wanted the 4xe but was very disappointed. If you are going 20 ish miles round trip, it may be for you. If you need to go distance, maybe not. It also takes 2 plus hours to charge from half battery😮.
This is just my findings.
You sound 100 percent like David Letterman. are you David Letterman? We deserve to know.
Too funny. I watched a lot of David Letterman growing up. I wonder if that impacted my speech patterns? Is it the patterns or the voice? I’m fascinated now.
Both, uncanny
My 2022 rucbicon 4xe only gives me 280 miles per tank including charge. Do you have any suggestions on what this is?
What is your daily use like? How many miles a day do you do? Do you charge every night? What mode do you use?
I’m just shy of 7.5 miles from work & 1 mile from grocery stores & mall. So i could us it on electric only and recharge after every day or end of the week!
No... Whats breaking the laws of physics here is David letterman is talking to us on the camera
High compliment. Letterman is one of the greats.
If you reset your average mpg and you drive 100miles on nothing but electric, shouldn’t your mpg be 99?
For some reason, it just won't go to 99. There's something in the math that just won't let it go up that high.
i met one jeep 4xe owner, to my surprise he doesnt charge the battery..... not sure why he purchased plugin hybrid. I wonder how many 4xe owners are like that
Some people just like them for the horsepower.
So not very fuel efficient on very long distances?
It’s not bad. And when I say “not bad” that’s a relative statement compared to other Jeeps. It’s just slightly better than the 2.0 gas model. If we try to compare it to a Prius, then yeah, it’s horrible.
Totally agree!!
Tesla uses the inverse of MPkWh for efficiency, right? Wh / mile, where a small efficient Model 3 uses about 300 Wh / mile which corresponds to about 3 miles / kWh. Wonder if the Wrangler efficiency is about 1 kWh / mile which is 1 mile / kWh.
Right.
First off, thanks for the video, a good explanation. Second note, unless I'm mistaken and/or my electric motorcycle is set up wrong from the factory (Zero SR) EV efficiency is measured in Wh/mi or kWh/100 miles, not mi/kW.
Different manufacturers do it differently.
If I drove 300 miles, starting on a full tank, and then filled up at the end of those 300 miles, how many gallons would it take on average (in auto hybrid mode), and therefore what is the equivalent mpg? That’s what would be very helpful to know before buying.
(I see the percentage of battery life, but I presume that would fully recharge over the course of 300 miles and just continually use itself as needed in hybrid mode?)
Also, what is the plug-in like each night? Is there a converter to switch it to a Standard outside wall plug, or does a special outlet need to be put in to charge? What’s an empty to full charge time like time wise?
Just did a road test: ua-cam.com/video/p9KZzuUuZV4/v-deo.html
The Wrangler 4XE doesn't fully recharge itself over the course of 300 miles unless the eSave + charge mode is selected. Due to the added demand on the engine to run in that state, it uses more gas. So it's best to just leave it in hybrid mode like I did in the link up above. But here's a video where I experimented with Esave.
ua-cam.com/video/WH9Qe127q9o/v-deo.html
You can charge with a standard 120 volt outlet. It takes a little over 12 hours that way. You can install a level 2 charger that uses 240 volts. That takes about 2.5 hours. Here's my setup: ua-cam.com/video/MAN3QYnBbUE/v-deo.html
I have a 2021 Jeep Wrangler unlimited Sahara 4xe With a hybrid mode And driving 30 to 35 mph on the streets on traffic I get 65 to 76 mpg but I love this jeep 4xe I paid 120 bucks a month for gas That’s if I have to drive a long distance Or Driving Highway but When I was on the market looking for a hybrid vehicle the Honda CRV and a Toyota RAV4 hybrid cross my mind but the mpg was at 36.8 and 35.2 but The best hybrid was the jeep wrangler at 49+ mpg for a gallon so I Bought my jeep 4xe my last car was a 2020 Jeep grand Cherokee 80 anniversary 3.6 that suv Cost me $100 every 3 days I gas And I do drive a lot so And I Montalvo spent $1200 on my Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6 so I am saving now like $1080 each month on gas but You don’t need to buy a level 2 charger for your house But to have someone install the level to charger and to buy the wires for my breaker and The installation I paid 1,000 but You need to buy the level 2 charger Because going to charging stations Specially the j1772 plug It’s always busy Sometimes I get lucky to be able to charge my car at the shopping centers
Its a good enough number for most people who charge at home and want (low electricity cost) to minimize their gas expense...hence MPG is what they want to see. For someone who drives under 50 miles per day they should be getting great MPG like 49 mpge in the 4xe, since the first 20 to 25 miles is all electric.
Yea
That’s how understand it
For most people efi live and with in the same city/town and don’t jump on the highway to commute or “really enjoy” their ride to work every morning in a dukes of hazzard way.
They won’t use any gas for most in town trips to work or the store.
But I think the majority will want to get the “power” from the gas and electric combined
And there will be much lamenting about the crappy gas mileage
Cuz it won’t be any better than any other 2.0 turbo charged with big ole tires
Could you do an update to this?
See my other videos.
I placed my order for my 4xe Rubicon 3 weeks ago. The main reason for leasing this is that Im getting $7500 off the top as my down payment so I can now afford it. Here's my question. If I drive only in electric for the 20+- miles, and then I'm driving on gas only after that, does the 375 HP now drop since the electric motors can no longer work with the gas engine, and if so, how much horsepower am I getting on the gas engine driving 5500 pounds?.
The Wrangler 4XE is always a hybrid. The Wrangler 4XE doesn’t have a “gas mode”. After the battery is depleted, the 4XE still has about 15% (give or take) of battery left. It then goes on to hybrid mode where the gas engine and both electric motor/generators will grab opportunities to charge the battery to that 15%. It will use and replace that energy in hybrid mode like any other hybrid. If you watch some of my other videos, I did some 0-60 runs with the battery depleted and there’s no loss of power. The full 375hp is always there.
@@Wrangler4XEFans Thats amazing, I had no idea that the 375 HP remains regardless. So then the even after a 200 mile road it still remains at full HP and Torque?.
@@ggolds5 Yes, because the battery is never fully “dead” the full power is always there.
I have 80 miles round trip daily commute mostly freeway, but I can get the Jeep fully charged every 40 miles (home & work)..I’m curios to know what my actual MPG looks like..I just ordered one
I would speculate that you would see something in the neighborhood of 30 to 32 MPG based on some recent tests I’ve been doing.
Awesome video man. What’s your thoughts on this thing after owning it for a bit?
I'm still a fan. Love my Jeep.
My jeep 4xe sahara is doing 15 mpg can i ask why
How are you measuring that? Are you calculating at the pump or going off the dash? If you are doing it on the dash, have you reset it since you bought it? Are you plugging it in?
Volkswagen does not cap at 99mpg. My GTI shows in the hundreds briefly when drifting down hill but then quickly changes to "---". Those dashed mean infinite because its a PZEV vehicle. So when not pressing the gas it is not using any gas despite it not being a hybrid. So theres at least 1 auto maker that calculates mpg using infinite mpg during no gas pedal.
Problem with PHV's is that you still have to pay for the electricity. And 15-20mi per charge can actuality be more expensive than gas depending on where you live.
I got an all gas model because i dont think the regen can make up $15k over 5-10yrs. Im biased too because my last hybrid battery died at 105k. Guessing 15y battery life might make back your $15k.
Btw if you drive the gas model a little lighter, you can get 25/30 mpg. Guessing most people who love the V6 wont be able to tolerate going 10mph slower and accelerate slower.
Great video thank you. I drive about 20 miles a day I think this would be good for me. I have a 2020 jl on 35s. And I get 11 mpg. Bc I have so many stops in 3mil.
That’s one test I want to do. I want to drive the same distance in two tests: one on a straight drive with few stops and one in stop and go. I want to see how much of a difference there is.
I've had mine for 1 week. Level 2 charger is a must. Level 1 charger is a joke. Took up to 14 hours to charge. I drive 20 miles round trip to work, so I should be able to drive using all electric most days. I do charge when I get home in case I go somewhere else that evening. Trying to find the most efficient drive mode .....electric or hybrid for my daily 20 mile commute.
If you know your daily travel can be covered in electric mode, that’s the most efficient. Hybrid mode will mostly keep you in electric as long as you keep your foot out of it. So it would work too.
Question to 4Xe owners. If my daily commute is 30 miles, 75% highway, could i use electricity only? Thx!
Not quite…Unless you had access to charging while at work.
Great video, it’s people like you that saved me from this machine.
How do you get all of that data on the screen for the radio?
Hit the left UP/DOWN arrow on the steering wheel.
Oh, you said on the radio. Go to the EHybrid button and go to Driving History.
I have approximately 55 mile total commute. What do you think my MPG would end up being?
Can you charge at work?
@@Wrangler4XEFans Yep!
@@Wrangler4XEFans I just realized my work has free charging 😱
@@UneducatedPhotographer Even better!
I feel like something is still missing in this analysis. If the Jeep thinks it's getting 99mpg when it's running on all-electric power, why/how is the average on the trip odometer for an entirely electric drive only 53.6 and not 99? What's bringing the average down?
Great question and I have wondered the same thing. It’s still steadily climbing. I’m curious if it would eventually make it to 99.
@@Wrangler4XEFans It looks like when you're stopped, the MPG goes from 99 to 0, and it's taking that 0 into account. You'll note in the video he starts at 53.6 MPG but by the end of the video it's down to 53.3 MPG. So in order to get it to show 99 MPG you can't ever stop. It's some really poor math calculations and creates an irrelevant metric. It should just take total miles / total fuel consumption, and if that is infinite (which in this example it isP) - just show "-" - this is what Volvo does in their PHEV. Or it could take into account some calculation of the MPGE under electric and create a blended efficiency metric, but I think that would just be confusing.
I have 06 civic coupe ex, none battery stick i get the same as you
That's awesome.
YES. Miles per kWh needs to be on the display. My 2015 Ford Focus Electric has that. It makes mathmatical sense.
So farm, I found MPGe useless. I love my Rubi 4xe (4 by E? 4 X e?) I'm averaging around 25 miles on electric only as it is, though that drops on cold days. MPG on gasoline... I"m averaging around 22 when I take it easy? though 90% of my driving is in twon, so I don't spend much more than $30 amonth unless I go on a trip. I do find the car is excellent off road. I plan to put 35" tires and a 2" lift on it, so anyone knows how that will affect it? I heard 10% drop in range & fuel econ. Frankly, I got it b/c I mostly use electric on jeep, but have taken it to moab and got some nice MPG on that trip on hybrid (like, 24mpg! so must have had a nice tail wind) But I do love the electric motors off road. Love the car. Wish it was a bit wider to be able to carry 3 people comfortably on trips, that the front seat would go back further, but besides those things, I love the car. Would traide it Maybe if Jeep came out with 4xe Gladiator.
Do you know how long the batteries last before replacement is needed and the cost
No clue. The high voltage battery is covered under the warranty for 10 years/100,000 miles. So let’s hope it’s longer than that.
Similarly no clue but current battery technology will last 10 years with an 80% or higher charge retention. This means it’s still usable after 10 years but you 100% charge at that time will only retain about 80% of the energy that your 100% charge energy is today.
MPKWH would be a wonderful addition to the hybrid and EV world, to be sure.
Can you do a review towing in mountains 🏔 9,000 foot elevation and 7% grades with a 4xe
Not recommended for towing.
Which one would you recommend for towing a 2,800 lb trailer
@@kevincinnamontoast3669 That’s not correct. It can tow 3500 just like any other Wrangler.
@@jesuschavez2224 The Wrangler 4XE is rated at 3,500 pounds.
If I had 9,000 foot elevation to try it on, I would.
Im getting 13 mpg avg… what am I doing wrong?
That’s really low. Are you measuring that by the dash board calculator or calculating when you fill up? Are you plugging it in?
@@Wrangler4XEFans dashboard and yes I am charging it. Today I had 100% charged and lost 65% in 8 miles
@@Wrangler4XEFans dashboard and yes I am charging it. Today I had 100% charged and lost 65% in 8 miles
@@Tofucapitalist Calculate it at the gas pump. It may be better than that.
Quick question.
If I have 60 mile commute (round trip) so 30 miles each way should I stay in hybrid mode both ways or electric one way and gas the way home?
Interested what others say that are way more knowledgeable than I am, but I would assume it doesn’t really matter (as long as your ‘gas the way home’ means hybrid and not e-save). The reason I say that is that hybrid mode favors electric so either way you are going to have a depleted battery (other than its reserve) by around the 30 mile mark. I state this from experience because I have a 30 mile each way commute.
@@davidcarrico3385 ok. Thanks for the input. I’ll try it out once I pick it up. But I figured my commute would benefit...my 2010 wrangler Sahara only gets around 17 mpg so I should do better
@@johnbambauer6925 absolutely it should. I have only done my commute a couple of times since I don’t go in every day but my commute, starting with a full battery, averages about 26mpg. It’s mostly highway.
@@davidcarrico3385 thanks! 55 out of the 60 miles is highway for my commute
@@johnbambauer6925 no problem, I also did one commute totally in eSave from a full battery, in 4-high auto. When I got back my battery was at 95% and my mpg was 21.4. I had a couple fewer highway miles as I had to exit due to an accident. I also have the steel bumpers, so carrying a little extra weight.
My 2024 4xe doing 13 mpg on hybrid mode . Is 180 miles on full tank
@@nycrider1548 13 sounds really low. Are you going by what the dash says or calculating?
@ I counted after I finish full tank and tha shows on dash
Can you PLEASE help us all and just drive it on full hybrid mode 70mph starting with full gas and battery for 100 miles and then let us know how much gas and battery is left at the end
I did two 120 and 130 miles tests after completely depleting the battery and got around 24 MPG. I'll have to do one after a full charge soon. Hard to get time to do all the tests I want to do.
@@Wrangler4XEFans thank you for the hard work! If you use full hybrid mode with a full battery (while refilling gas) would the battery never deplete in theory? just like a "normal" hybrid
@@amitmillo1275 It gets down to a point where it says “
@@Wrangler4XEFans ok i see, so if im driving 1000 miles and only filling up gas on the way, no recharge, i can expect to get 25mpg at worst, a bit better given how long the starting battery charge lasts
@@amitmillo1275 I’m guessing 24 to 25. However, I was doing some driving this morning on more rural roads where my speed was down around 60MPH and was seeing almost 27mpg.
In gas mode I get 18 miles per gallon in the city at best. I have yet to exceed 2.5 miles per gallon on highway!
When you say “gas mode” which mode are you referring to? The Wrangler 4XE is always a hybrid and doesn’t have a gas mode. The different modes change the bias of the hybrid system.
Jeep should have written software to only "calculate" MPG when the ICE is actually running.
Or add a line that gives MPkWh.
2019 Insight caps at 199.
Yeah, well, eventually the Fuel and Oil Refresh Mode will kick on and force you to run the motor for a week or more, thereby defeating the purpose for making a PHEV. It’s stupid, I’ll be trading mine back next year!
A prius has a 8.8kw battery, a jeep has a battery twice that big. Prius weight 3200lbs, tesla model x is 5300lbs and it uses no gas (way bigger battery than a jeep, heavier than a jeep) there is no sticker that gets the mpg that it shows on the sticker. These are in perfect conditions
1. Deplete the battery completely. See how many miles it takes to fully charge the battery on E-save mode/gas only mode.
2. Using only “Hybrid” mode how many miles do you get on a full tank of gas and 1 full charge
I have a trip planned this summer. Those are a couple of my long trip experiments I have planned.
Great video! Pls share more vids and results :)
49mpge is actually quite bad. probably half of what the sportiest Taycan is getting. but that is what u get when u have a boxy, heavy car with a huge frontal area and huge tires with high rolling resistance. but hey, theorethically, if u live in a place with cheap electricity, u could be driving to work(coz what else r u gonna do during lockdowns...oh wait, u have a wrangler to get away from people) for less than a Yaris Hybrid owner.
why would you buy a 4x4 ev in the first place.?.
Technically, it's not an EV, it's a PHEV also sometimes called a HEV.
But there a few good reasons.
One reason is to be able to reduce the cost of operation. Electric is way cheaper by the mile than gas.
The power is another reason. The combination of the gas engine and two electric motors is pretty amazing. 6 second 0-60.
Another reason is the potential to reduce overall emissions both carbon and particulate.
Sorry my work fine coming from a suv that got 24mpg driving over 300 a day one way. Now go and come back on a tank a still have a 1/4 tank lift.
I think they need a 100% electric Wrangler. Or the 4xe needs 50 miles of range.
Give it time.
This was so helpful! Thank you!
I have a motorcycle (not electric or anyting) but it sais it get 256 mpg going downhill with the clutch in :D
The gas models are better on long trips. Set the cruise to 60mph and you can get 35mpg.
Better also cause you didnt pay an extra $10k+ foe your car and $15k to replace a battery when it dies.
The diesel model will get 35, not the gas model. There’s an extra cost to owning a diesel too.
Don’t know if this has been asked, but what has been your real world total EV range?
It's normally around 22-24 miles. I got 28 in an experiment. Today it dipped to 19. Not sure what I did different.
@@Wrangler4XEFans thanks for the info. I drive a Chevy volt and I’m looking to get into a Wrangler 4xe.
Wow!
Lmaoo “ the same mpg as a Toyota Prius “
I averaged 25mpg in JLUR on trip to NM and back. 2.0 liter turbo
Wrong… at least in the GC 4xe even when running on all electric I get about 40-45mpg while using ZERO gas. It’s calculating mpge. My volt will tell me actual mpg(not mpge) and say I’m getting 250+ mpg when only using electric.
Watch this for your actual explication of mpge and how it’s useful ua-cam.com/video/EfKuqscXE9o/v-deo.html
Did you watch the video or just reply to the thumbnail? I explain why it’s a silly number in the video.
By the way, it’s not calculating MPGE. MPGE is not what that is. MPGE is an efficiency rating established during the test by the EPA. What’s on the screen is another set of calculations at work. I know, I know, a lot of people call that MPGE but if you read about what MPGE is, it’s not what is displayed on this screen. The formula used to establish the MPGE rating is on the sticker.
MPGe = Mythical number to get people to buy Electric/Hybrid vehicle.
I get the desire to be able to compare efficiencies but it does feel like a marketing too.
U sounds like my dad
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
From what another UA-cam review it stated you save $200 person 1000 miles.
100,000 miles EV only = 20k saved
You could buy base model 30k and save 20k up front
The price tag isn't the only motivation for me. I also wanted to reduce my personal carbon emissions. So there are other motivators for me outside of the money. Plus, I didn't want a base model. The Sahara 4XE comes with a lot of options that I wanted that aren't available in the Sport.
At points, he sounds like David Letterman
I love this comment.
@@Wrangler4XEFans Great video though!