I always get a chuckle out of Fred's posts. I find the funniest aspect of people like him are the idea that Olympic lifts are difficult for athletes to learn. They brag about coaching elite athletes but think that those elite athletes can't quickly learn and improve upon literally any athletic movement they want to do.
The learning curve for those lifts is higher and hard on recovery and they arent very hypertrophic compared to a Squat, Bench and deadlift. If I was an athlete Id be running conjugate. Max effort days with dynamic effort days with bands. It would train rate of force production just as effectively as olympic lifts and you get hypertrophy out of it. Banded stuff trains you to use your muscles faster because if you push or pull to slowly the band tension will catch up and bury you.
@@tv26889how are Olympic lifts “hard to recover from”? I never understood that argument, they’re not that fatiguing unless you’re doing some Bulgarian program getting ready for the Olympics.
One of my personal training clients’ kids work with Fred Duncan. He’s a really great coach and gets results for his athletes. However, he is ideologically attached to not using Olympic lifts or really any significant heavy loading with barbells. I’m sure if you two debated you’d agree on almost all topics minus those lol as is usually the case when strength coaches have debates. Crazy thought- most shit works when you use a principle based approach and focus on getting buy in to drive max intent.
Thoughts on DTC? Dane from Garagestrength mentions it often as a beneficial result from certain movements and claims that it is good for sports like football.
Currently the main lift that I'm doing for hamstring development is nordic curls with back extensions and jefferson curls being the only other motions that put at least some emphasis on the hamstrings, would you say these exercises would be enough to effective for both strength and hypertrophy or would you recommend adding something else?
@@penumbrium That would probably be a good idea although I don't really care for deadlift like exercises so do you think doing back extensions would help sufficiently develop power in deadlift like motions?
You need to check out Streetlifting because people are doing +100 kg pull ups/chin ups and +160kg and heavier dips with strict competition form so your strength standars are way too low.
Weird to see that from Pat because he’s usually the guy who says you can do essentially anything in training as long as you can teach it and have the space for it. I like a lot of his stuff but he is just simply wrong there
Why do people get so butthurt about this. He thinks olympic lifts aren't that useful for athletes. Will and other other people DISAGREE and think they are. Great.
@@tv26889 Not sure how me being “butthurt” was what you took away from my comment. All I said was that I was surprised to see Pat take that stance in this specific context because that’s usually not how he operates. And yes, I also said he was wrong because he said that there’s “always a better option” when it comes to Olympic lifts. That simply just isn’t the case
@@czinke9 you're entitled to your opinion, as is he. The only points I would make are that the learning curve for olympic lifts is high to reap the benefits. you could get a similar training effect doing simpler exercises like dynamic squats and bench presses with bands, as well as heavy dead stop training to train force production. if i was an athlete Id be running a conjugate program.
Hey Will, love your video and always learn something from them. For the epicondylitis, have you tried doing your pullups/chinups using rings? For me they were a game changer, and I got rid of tennis elbow almost instantly as soon I stopped doing any kind of pull work on a straight bar. The shoulder, elbow and wrist movement freedom that the rings give makes the movement feel so good as it is painfree.
Garage Strength has a series of "10 Best Exercises for (insert sport)" Was wondering if you were interested in doing something similar, Will?! Honestly, I'd love one for Muay Thai because literally no credible S&C coach has even touched the subject! Would love YOUR thoughts!
The same exercises work for muay thai as for everything else my man. Strong legs, strong arms, strong trunk. Sprint and plyos are good but you're already on your feet a lot so just see how much you can tolerate, and you will get a lot of explosive work through punching and kicking.
@@cheeks7050 Well said, Cheeks. I agree! The more I learn about S&C, the more I realize that there are just a handful of principles that will allow for the bulk of the results. Will always seems to be highlighting them over and over again, and, given your advice, I think those same principles will apply well to Muay Thai! Appreciate it, bromigo!
I always get a chuckle out of Fred's posts. I find the funniest aspect of people like him are the idea that Olympic lifts are difficult for athletes to learn. They brag about coaching elite athletes but think that those elite athletes can't quickly learn and improve upon literally any athletic movement they want to do.
The learning curve for those lifts is higher and hard on recovery and they arent very hypertrophic compared to a Squat, Bench and deadlift.
If I was an athlete Id be running conjugate. Max effort days with dynamic effort days with bands. It would train rate of force production just as effectively as olympic lifts and you get hypertrophy out of it. Banded stuff trains you to use your muscles faster because if you push or pull to slowly the band tension will catch up and bury you.
@@tv26889how are Olympic lifts “hard to recover from”? I never understood that argument, they’re not that fatiguing unless you’re doing some Bulgarian program getting ready for the Olympics.
Happy Father's Day Will. Good session.....Thankyou always.
Pause Deadlifts are next level for lower back and spinal erectors!
For giant sets, I like to give a minimum and maximum rest time. Makes them move, but ensures quality.
One of my personal training clients’ kids work with Fred Duncan. He’s a really great coach and gets results for his athletes. However, he is ideologically attached to not using Olympic lifts or really any significant heavy loading with barbells. I’m sure if you two debated you’d agree on almost all topics minus those lol as is usually the case when strength coaches have debates. Crazy thought- most shit works when you use a principle based approach and focus on getting buy in to drive max intent.
What does a typical day look like as a d1 strength coach
Thoughts on DTC? Dane from Garagestrength mentions it often as a beneficial result from certain movements and claims that it is good for sports like football.
Currently the main lift that I'm doing for hamstring development is nordic curls with back extensions and jefferson curls being the only other motions that put at least some emphasis on the hamstrings, would you say these exercises would be enough to effective for both strength and hypertrophy or would you recommend adding something else?
my guess would be youd want to include a pull from the floor like a conventional, snatch, or deficit deadlift. if youre interested in strength
No. U need deadlifts n rdl variations. Bw nordic ain’t enough.
@@jacklauren9359 What about back extensions instead of deadlifts
@@penumbrium That would probably be a good idea although I don't really care for deadlift like exercises so do you think doing back extensions would help sufficiently develop power in deadlift like motions?
@@casualbeluga2724 i would do high pulls if you want power and dont want to do full olympic lifts
Slicker than an oil spill!!!
You need to check out Streetlifting because people are doing +100 kg pull ups/chin ups and +160kg and heavier dips with strict competition form so your strength standars are way too low.
Is that it your wod?
No it’s called effective reps, density workout, amrap . Not your crossfit bs wod blah blah
Weird to see that from Pat because he’s usually the guy who says you can do essentially anything in training as long as you can teach it and have the space for it. I like a lot of his stuff but he is just simply wrong there
Why do people get so butthurt about this. He thinks olympic lifts aren't that useful for athletes. Will and other other people DISAGREE and think they are. Great.
@@tv26889 Not sure how me being “butthurt” was what you took away from my comment. All I said was that I was surprised to see Pat take that stance in this specific context because that’s usually not how he operates. And yes, I also said he was wrong because he said that there’s “always a better option” when it comes to Olympic lifts. That simply just isn’t the case
@@czinke9 you're entitled to your opinion, as is he. The only points I would make are that the learning curve for olympic lifts is high to reap the benefits. you could get a similar training effect doing simpler exercises like dynamic squats and bench presses with bands, as well as heavy dead stop training to train force production. if i was an athlete Id be running a conjugate program.
Duncan is a clown lol
Hey Will, love your video and always learn something from them. For the epicondylitis, have you tried doing your pullups/chinups using rings? For me they were a game changer, and I got rid of tennis elbow almost instantly as soon I stopped doing any kind of pull work on a straight bar. The shoulder, elbow and wrist movement freedom that the rings give makes the movement feel so good as it is painfree.
Garage Strength has a series of "10 Best Exercises for (insert sport)" Was wondering if you were interested in doing something similar, Will?! Honestly, I'd love one for Muay Thai because literally no credible S&C coach has even touched the subject! Would love YOUR thoughts!
The same exercises work for muay thai as for everything else my man. Strong legs, strong arms, strong trunk. Sprint and plyos are good but you're already on your feet a lot so just see how much you can tolerate, and you will get a lot of explosive work through punching and kicking.
@@cheeks7050 Well said, Cheeks. I agree! The more I learn about S&C, the more I realize that there are just a handful of principles that will allow for the bulk of the results. Will always seems to be highlighting them over and over again, and, given your advice, I think those same principles will apply well to Muay Thai! Appreciate it, bromigo!