For those of you who never paid attention in history class, that’s the battle flag. We fly it to remember the ultimate sacrifice that hundreds of thousands made to make men free. If you forget about them, their sacrifice, or what they fought for, slavery will come back to the US, and it would be your fault. Btw that saying makes no sense
In most of the world, if your enemy flies a white flag, they're likely about to surrender. In Bourbon France, YOU should surrender if your enemy is flying the white flag!
Grey, we discussed this. You're not supposed to out Southerners who quietly display the Bonnie Blue in discreet locations to honor 83.3% of an entire generation of their non-slave owning family who was killed fighting a rich man's war. Hypothetically... of course.
@Roman Bellic "proof" History books -- Any history book of U. S. History tells of the South's defeat under that flag. The flag is the flag of a loser . I
@Dman Bellic Sure the south had amazing military leaders but the north had more population and industry, the only way I see the south winning is if the Europeans intervened and even then the north could just claim that the war is to end slavery and the Europeans would be forced to back down by thein own citizens.
Out of all the tragedies of the U.S. Civil War, the ruining of two really attractive flag designs is pretty far down the ladder of awfulness, but it's still on there. From a flag-design standpoint, the Confederate battle flag and naval jack are just about perfect. They stick to three colors and are fairly simple, but still present a striking, distinct look.
So my friend told me a story about a German exchange student visiting here in Virginia. The German saw a Confederate flag, and upon remembering what it meant, he remarked, "Oh yeah, you guys have Nazis, too."
+Christian Wheeler Well, the reason why he said that is because displaying the Nazi flag publicly violates obscenity laws in Germany and other parts of Europe, so European neo-nazis hang the confederate publicly instead, because they at least have the balls to admit that it's a symbol representing white supremacists.
and your point is??.. How does that change the fact that the Stars and bars was flown over the confederacy and said to show white supremacy at the time by people?
@@MrZAPPER1000 UA-cam actually loses money by demonetising, it's probably the algorithm detecting the flag and falsely assuming that the video supports the controversial views commonly associated with it. Still shite, but what can you do?
iPlayer93 I feel you ... I lost half my FB friends when I tried to explain religion origins. TIP: never talk about religion in a catholic majority country :(
CelestialMind True. ...I just have to say, though, that the union army sucked. They had all the advantages, but it still took them so many years to win.
***** It's not harder than to check the wikipedia article with a list of flags for the Confederation. Politicians and journalists just happen to be real fucking lazy.
***** It doesn't matter what they know. It matters what people perceive. Play on emotions and fuel the fire. Never let a crisis go to waste. Idiots concentrate on pissing contests and bitch fights while the government is gaining power and authority at every step. For safety, you know?
***** i see what you are trying to do, but that flag has nothing to do with racism... only with the south. the reason we associate that flag with racism is because we associate the south with it, and try to use the transitive property on it, but that's like saying sweet ice tea, pecan pies, sweet potato pies, crawfish, and po-boys are all racist and should be removed along with any mention of any southern state.
Mike Gill How is that hard for the GOP? It was the Democrats that were pushing everything that the confederacy stood for; the GOP was dominating the Union.
HoudiniWeenie Actually I haven't even seen the word "democrat" before scrolling this far down. It all seems to be conspiracy nuts, confederate/slavery apologists and racism deniers.
Actually got a notification from UA-cam about this video Before CGP even sent out the email notification! You better step your game up CGP, UA-cam is starting to beat you at your own game!
***** Same here. However I am a fairly hardcore participant in the channel who has commented on all CGP Grey's videos and watched them all more than once. I think normal people who just clicked "subscribe" after watching one CGP Grey video and then moving on wouldn't get these emails.
Amazing to think that all those evil, cruel slave owners managed to convince my slave ancestors to adopt the very religion that was cruelly oppressing them for centuries, resulting in a long, deep history of said religion in african american culture
-Sarah- Look up the shooting in South Carolina with the killing of 9 people by a white man that showed racist ideas as part of a white supremacy, and that people have been requesting the flags to be removed from government state groups and other places. Also with this has come anger on both sides on with to do with the confederate flags in general.
-Sarah- A guy killed 9 black people in a church. He was a white supremacist and wanted to start a civil war. People are auguring that this flag is a symbol of racism, and is was used by white supremacists like the man who shot up this church. There auguring that it should be taken down from government buildings.
-Sarah- Last week, a young man killed several (9) people in a church in South Carolina, in the aftermath of the shooting the attention settled on this flag - because the flags at the capitol building in SC were lowered to half staff but this flag was being flown (yes, at the capitol building in a southern US state, 150 years after the civil war ended), this flag was being flown and was affixed to its pole so that it could not be either lowered or taken down. And as is said below, we tend to not deal with our actual issues in a direct and adult manner, so.....controversy about this flag. Hope that helps to clarify at least some of the things. I am aware that there are obviously many more issues surrounding the whole situation but that is "the basics" of the flag part of the controversy.
I love the switcheroo Georgia pulled with their state flag. "Hey! You've got the Confederate flag in your state flag! Get rid of it!" "Okay. *smirk*" "There! That's better! *pats self on back." The new Georgia flag is the 1st Rebel National flag with the Georgia state seal in it, essentially changing nothing unless you know your history.
Rashad Are you talking about the rebels who broke free from a superpower(sounds framiliar) or the ban happy Liberals who have made a fuss over all of this
America has "The Star Spangled Banner" The United Kingdom has "The Union Jack" Canada has.... "The Maple Leaf" ...why don't we get a cool name for our flag?
Duncan Van Ooyen Because we are down to earth europeans... we don't need that "we are tough and we will let you know through cool nicknames" kinda bullshit! Be proud of it meneer van Ooyen!
@@Conviction4696 still as long as the flag is waved the confederacy and it's ideals won't die till we all realize what it represents and burn it will the confederatcy truely end
@@oswaldrabbit1409 yet that's how it spreads everything starts small till they convince enough people take religions for examplr and the idea of democracy started with 1 county and also rember hitler's reign started with very few
maybe not "the" Confederate flag, but certainly "a" Confederate flag. And, the story I heard was that Betsy Ross did not design the flag, but convinced the designers to switch from six pointed to five pointed stars. And she and her husband's company certainly did sew a lot of the early US flags.
@TheBrodsterBoy wdym never used, I thought he said it was used as a battle flag, thus being "a" Confederate flag Edit: now I see its a 2 year old comment so it doesnt matter I guess
Well, even if it is a Confederate flag, I do believe that because it was never the official flag, it should at least be given a break. Remember, before the Nazis used it, the swastika used to be a religious symbol of peace. Perhaps something that not only was barely used but not even wanted to be the flag in the first place can be used as a reminder of what not to do.
Im sure someone will be all offended because reasons, but from A PURELY AESTHETIC standpoint, the "x" design Confederate flag is absolutely one of my favorites.
indeed. flags, like all other art forms, are catalysts of emotion. Generally speaking, however, the intent of the creator and of the viewer / listener / recieving end, are not always the same. Understanding and educating ourselves of the creator /artist's history and circumstance, can help us appreciate and understand a "message's" intent and beauty for what it is and not what we think it is, but more so to appreciate the history any art form represents
Yep. It's sad that all that evil history had to get tangled with that pretty design. There are plenty of meh flag designs that would be less of a loss. At least we didn't lose a flag with a hexagon on it.
+Moon Monbiot you dont have to be racist to like a flag. misconception the civil war was about slavery and states fights vs federal government. there was also a huge divide between North and South since colonial era.
The confederacy wasn't racist or founded on keeping black slaves. It was founded on states rights to break from the union, a big part of witch was to keep slaves both white and black. Yes there were white slaves and black slave owners. I'm glad they lost and slavery was bad but it's not a racial issue... I mean, it was to some, but it wasn't officially or legal ever remotely tied to race.
Melting Snow Read the declarations of secession published by the southern states. Southern states were against states rights when the north didn't want to return slaves. It had everything to do with slavery and racism and literally nothing to do with states rights.
MSP Redgrave It's used as such by certain people, but the flag itself is just a flag. It's reasonable to say that it's associated with the country that officially used it, but anybody can pick a flag from history and declare it a symbol of something or other, and if we were to consider all of that to be as significant as it is typically done inside the US when it comes to the Confederate flag, we wouldn't have any flags left to fly. Think of this: a few decades before the US Civil War, when the US was fighting the War of 1812, it was the US that was desperately trying to hold on to slavery and racial segregation, faced with an opponent, Britain, that had already outlawed slavery and that was actively recruiting freed slaves into its military, to fight against their former owners. Does that make the Stars and Stripes a symbol of slavery and racism?
Despite the history of the confederacy, I can't deny that that is a great looking flag. It has shapes that makes it easy to draw, while having an uncommon and distinct looking diagonal cross, making it easy to recognise. I also like the color scheme (but I am from Norway, and it reminds me of the Norwegian flag, so that might just be my bias). If the flag didn't represent what it does, I'd like to have one in my house.
Exactly, so many cool designs are used by racists, like the swatstika (I cannot spell it lol) is super cool looking but there's a small issue with its history
@Roman Bellic Maybe you didn't read this correctly Things the Confederacy tried to do: Become independent, *keep slavery* , win a war, *keep people enslaved* , and oh yeah, *keep slavery* Lee didn't run the country, and the people who did supported slavery. Neither did Lee try to do anything to stop it, in fact fighting for government trying to preserve it. States rights existed before the CSA, and the most they "contributed" was whining that *freeing slaves* was violating states rights, just like segregationists in the 60s. Getting offended that the CSA tried to preserve slavery is either a troll-take or the opposite of "doing research." Vomiting Lost Cause propaganda doesn't change that.
@@jacksondoegg4001 I wouldn’t want a slave-owning rebellion that didn’t even exist for as long as Nirvana to be my last line of defence there anyway. You’ve already all but ruined the term “States Rights” as a hissyfit that you can’t oppress others.
Thank you for putting this information out there. There were also variations of the battle flag used in different regions. The Army of Northern Virginia was the largest army for the confederates and therefore most people think their battle flag was the only one.
+Brian Jensen Nope, because unlike the last time, we live in a world of asymmetrical warfare where conflicts can drag on for decades and decades without ever actually ending.
Only if "The south rising" is defined as the south unifying under a formal governing structure first. This could potentially occur as a result of civil unrest, public demonstrations, terrorism, and general guerrilla warfare.
+RedJackOfClubs They weren't seceding because they were being outvoted, they seceded mostly because they felt that the rights of individual states were being trampled. Slavery was not addressed by the Constitution, and "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively...", therefore the ability to allow or disallow slavery technically fell into the hands of the states. When the federal government tried to take those rights from them, they got upset, and decided to form their own country. However, none of that excuses slavery in the slightest. Let me make it clear that I am not supporting their choice to keep slaves, merely that they felt it was their Constitutional right to do so.
No, the 10th amendment is in direct conflict with the supremacy clause which is was not design to completely overturn. This is something conservatives don't seem to get that through there head when they cry states rights.
curious look I never said it wasn't. I was just saying that the reason the Confederate states seceded was because they felt their tenth amendment right was being taken away from them, in spite of the fact that the Supremacy Clause means that federal law applies to all states.
Bel-Shamharoth except thats not really why which differentiates it fro the modern conservative movement. modern conservatives want states rights on about everything, taxes, environmental regulations, and obviously gay marriage, even border control in some cases. the south cared about one "right" and on right only, the right to own slaves. Read mississippi's declaration of secession, its literally the only issue they mention.
asd asd I really don’t get why the south is nationalistic, can’t they just wave around a US flag and get the same result? You don’t see people from Massachusetts waving around their flag... or New England... or anywhere that’s not the south...
They were not traitors, the railroad companies started buying and destroying farmland for their tracks, their economy ran off of agriculture I would fight back too. It's sad to see the American people doesn't even know it's own history. A country that doesn't know where it was yesterday doesn't know where it is today. - General Robert Edward Lee
I can't get over the fact that Apple removed all civil war games from the App Store. Like its being used in a historical matter. Also the fact that Amazon got rid of the confederate flag and kept nazi flags pisses me off.
Such an amazing design in its battle and national flags, and such passion in many of its troops, all for cause that ultimately wanted the exact wrong thing. Even if that wasn’t the case, there wouldn’t have been peace between either country if the South had won. You might as well compare it to how the Greek city-states went back to killing each other not long after fighting the Persians.
0:49 The American Flag designer was Francis Hopkinson who signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776, and adapting on June 14, 1777. Betsy Ross did a 13-star circle as a variant, and Hopkinson made an official 13 six-pointed stars arranged in rows. So the government took a Hopkinson's flag as a official American Flag, with a five-pointed star arrangement.
@@antonraulpen Lee fucking destroyed the union for a long time it was not until Ulysses s grant destroyed him in combat he was forced to surrender post war due to his battle prowess he was pardoned
@@erickrasniewski567 even with Lee, almost the entire war was fought on southern soil and he couldn't even force the North to move the capital back to its old location dispite DC being basically right on the front lines. And that was when the US army was filled with incompetent generals. Once Lincoln had fired enough generals to actually get to people who knew what they were doing (which was more than just Grant, btw)....well, we all know how that went. Look past the battles and the legends and myths. The fact that Lee (who I admit was a good general) couldn't even get the capital moved back from the front lines when the North had a bunch of incompetent generals only to try a desperate hail-mary in his only significant push into the North (seriously Lee, basics of warfare is know your enemy. Fighting a master of terrain tactics and logistics in the Pennsylvanian foothills was a fool's errand) is a clear example of how the South picked a fight it couldn't win. Tl:dr Lee vs the incompetent early Northern generalship and the best they could do is fight to a draw while Lincoln purged the upper levels off command of incompetence. From day 1 the whole war was just a matter of time.
For those saying "the flag means nothing, it represents freedom and opposition and rebellion and "southern culture", all states used to be slave states so all flags should be condemned then" I'm willing to debunk it. First, let's talk about the reason the civil war occurred. White people within the southern united states didn't like the people of the north, for various reasons and over time that dislike grew. One of the largest reasons was that the north was incrementally banning slavery, which the south wanted to keep in place. Now I'm sure I don't have to explain to anyone here slavery is fucking despicable. So a number of states that still allowed slavery (note that numerous people in the northern united states still kept slaves, just because a law is passed doesn't mean everything is suddenly dandy) known as "slave states" broke away from the united states to preserve themselves. It was a seperatist country founded upon the principles of defending their right to legally own people of a different race, which is why such a flag is condemned while other previous state flags are not. Also of note is people defending the fact that there were other slave states still within the union. This is true, there isn't any falsehood in that, but the difference here is they were not opposed to incremental change. Staying within the union meant that they were ready for the possibility of change, of slowly abolishing slavery (don't get me wrong, slavery should have been abolished immediately but it is far better than confederate slave states)
I feel like this oversimplifies the motivations of the confederacy. While slavery was a root cause it's never really discussed why and is just left to "The south hated blacks and wanted to own them because racism" when that is not the main reason. Imagine you're a bunch of states and your economy is primarily based on System A. Without System A, your economy would be in shambles and you would barely have enough economic output to sustain yourself. Well, some group of people in another group of states with more ways to make money don't like System A so they want to ban it. You can start to see why the South didn't like this. From their perspective it was a bunch of people with far more economic opportunity trying to destroy the primary economic opportunity the south had. And then imagine what the south thought when the people trying to ban slavery had slaves and you'll start to see why that point is parroted so much. I'm not defending slavery but history isn't as black and white as your comment implies and every war or conflict has many complicated causes. And as much as you may think you have debunked the claim that the Confederate battle flag/Confederate flag represents southern culture, you can't really debunk a cultural icon. If a bunch of people agree that an icon represents them or their culture you can't really say they are wrong.
I'm nearly 70. But back when I was in public school, we learned all about this, and many more things that today's College graduates know NOTHING about!
You are correct. That is how we pulled one over on the public. We were getting grief about our flag having the "confederate" flag on it, so we changed it so not to offend anyone. We went with the current flag and everyone went "that's better" now we have no reminder of the old south. It pays sometimes to know all the little details about history.
idk why Southerns keep calling the confederate flag their "heritage" when theres other and more better stuff to symbolize their heritage as if they were different from the north.
@@pure2291 Actually the civil war was more about the south wanting to become their own country, shockingly not many people know this. Yes slavery was a part of it but secession was a bigger cause
@Christopher Cunningham actually there were probably more slaves in the north than the south because chances are there were more wealthy people up north than south
@@georgevolkov2158 The reason they wanted to become independent was because the federal government (especially Lincoln) was threatening to take their slaves. You might argue that the south had a different culture to the north and thus wanted to become independent, but why was the south so complacent in the years following the signing of the Declaration of Independence?
WHO CARES WHAT IT'S CALLED!?.... It was removed because of what it SYMBOLIZES to many of it's users: WHITE SUPREMACY. If that doesn't work for you then, consider this. We and England were once one and the same. They waged war against us and LOST! Now they NO LONGER HAVE THE RIGHT TO FLY THEIR FLAG ON AMERICAN SOIL. The same goes for the confederacy. They waged war against us and lost, thus, they no longer have the right to fly their flag in this country. I'm an ex-Marine, and I PLEDGE MY ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. And it irks me to see TRAITORS who tried to OVERTHROW our government, and who have sworn that the confederacy "SHALL RISE AGAIN" to take Our Country back, yet still believe that they have a right to fly their flag over our GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS in celebration of their NEFARIOUS INTENTIONS and in honor of TRAITORS who never wanted to be a part of OUR COUNTRY in the first place. They have no sovereign rights here! The SWASTIKA doesn't fly on government building in Germany. Though, in European country where the swastika is banned, racist groups use the confederate battle flag in it's place. That is the best example for us to see that the rest of the world also identifies the confederate flag as a sign of WHITE SUPREMACY. So, who really cares what it's called. If it had NO NAME, it would still have same meaning.
@@CasuallyConsistent I did actually have a great great grandfather who fought beside General Lee at Appomattox Courthouse and was one of the ones that signed the official surrendering papers.
BUT WE MUST ABOLISH ALL REFERENCES TO THE CONFEDERACY REGARDLESS OF CONTEXT BECAUSE THAT WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING!!! SO LONG AS WE FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON THIS WE WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE REAL PROBLEM!!! 'MURICAAAA!!!
I've always thought the Confederate battle flag resembled the Union Jack, what with the colors and cross. No wonder they broke away from the Union; they were closet Tories all along!
Very well done video with some great information! Solid impartial discussion of a very complex symbol in American History. Unfortunately, symbols and their meanings will never be as simple as this video.
John Tortorella An unfortunate proportion of America likes to salt those wounds to intimidate and control, while pretending it means something different as to protect their ability to continue doing so. Things are (finally) changing.
I never got the obsession Americans have with their flag, really if you care that much about a flag you're one of the problems with humanity. Another moronic blind nationalistic fuck
***** I know we didn't invent Jingoism, but we've pretty well re-invented Jingoism. I'm just grateful that it's one of the few things we haven't managed to export on any kind of large scale.
***** No, you were talking about the American flag. Anyway, the confederate flag means different things too different people. You just decide to see it at it's worst representation, which most people don't even see it as.
***** So, you should be against every nations founding, then? Right? I mean please name me one old nation that wasn't founded, when slavery persisted. You confuse the two, America never was a nation founded on slavery, it just happened to have slavery, when basically slavery wasn't a moral issue. People back then didn't share you morals, or your beliefs on the subject. It was common throughout human history, and still is. There were little similarity on the confederacy founding, and the US founding. Sure both rebelled against the mother country, but for different reasons. America too free itself of British rule and tyranny, and the Conferderacy to uphold their nationality, their way of living and slavery (even though slavery had little to do with the actual war). You cannot have an exact meaning for any flag. You would basically have to have everybody think the same, then. The FLAG represents different things too different people, YOU cannot change that. You make it sound like 'nationalism' is a bad thing, and even go as far to say that if you love the flag, you are a 'blind idiot'. Thanks for confirming nothing and just sprouting complete nonsense, you are SO accurate in what you have said.
blue and white : Too yankyish.
Blue white and red : Yea that'll work.
*laughs in United Kingdom*
Still yankee
America =/= yankee
The Looinrims You mean ≠
73 Ttda pffff idk how to reddit text
The Stainless Banner looks like someone made the battle flag in Paint, but forgot to resize the rest of the image
You're absolutely right
This is the best comment.
R/rareinsults
@@SquareFoil31362r/foundthemobileuser
Maybe the real confederate flag was the friends we made along the way
I am a 14 year old girl and this is deep👊🥺
"Maybe the real Slave Empire was the friends we made along the way"
Maybe the real confederate flag is the smoke rising from Georgia as Sherman marches through
That's both hollow and filled with bullshit
For those of you who never paid attention in history class, that’s the battle flag. We fly it to remember the ultimate sacrifice that hundreds of thousands made to make men free. If you forget about them, their sacrifice, or what they fought for, slavery will come back to the US, and it would be your fault.
Btw that saying makes no sense
"The flag looks like surrender flag! Put red on it!"
36 days later..
In most of the world, if your enemy flies a white flag, they're likely about to surrender. In Bourbon France, YOU should surrender if your enemy is flying the white flag!
Meme:
The flag of Bourbon France
(This is not a France surrender joke)
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Sherman did nothing wrong
@@vastcarter the only thing sherman did wrong was stop
Grey, we discussed this. You're not supposed to out Southerners who quietly display the Bonnie Blue in discreet locations to honor 83.3% of an entire generation of their non-slave owning family who was killed fighting a rich man's war. Hypothetically... of course.
Very good. So sad so few people get taught history.
Fort Sumter was like 9/11. Oops
I knew I liked you. But, no, you're still racist ;-P
theonlyari you're* (you look silly)
Luke Olson fergive me. I fergot my grammer
All this could have been avoided if they simply turned off friendly fire
Hardcore mode is the best for leveling up weapons though...
xd
Orthey could have turned on creative mode.
Can't do that without pressing A.
This is realistic battle, ff always on
If you're gonna rebel, use a flag that's not similar to your enemys. It gives you good luck.
And also wouldn't shoot your second-best General when he's coming back
And also have Texas be not useless
Oh they would have got their ass kicked under any flag
@Roman Bellic "proof"
History books -- Any history book of U. S. History tells of the South's defeat under that flag. The flag is the flag of a loser .
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@Dman Bellic Sure the south had amazing military leaders but the north had more population and industry, the only way I see the south winning is if the Europeans intervened and even then the north could just claim that the war is to end slavery and the Europeans would be forced to back down by thein own citizens.
Out of all the tragedies of the U.S. Civil War, the ruining of two really attractive flag designs is pretty far down the ladder of awfulness, but it's still on there. From a flag-design standpoint, the Confederate battle flag and naval jack are just about perfect. They stick to three colors and are fairly simple, but still present a striking, distinct look.
Agree love the design kind of intimidating in a way
It’s a very attractive flag isn’t it?
@@117rebel Sure thing my fellow gentleman.
@@117rebel The German swastika is still attractive too. No matter what it fought for.
@White Pride Amen bother! Mine is flying as well 🇺🇸✊🏿✊🏻
So my friend told me a story about a German exchange student visiting here in Virginia. The German saw a Confederate flag, and upon remembering what it meant, he remarked, "Oh yeah, you guys have Nazis, too."
+Gergenhimer lol.
+Gergenhimer Even though comparing the Nazi's to the Confederacy is like comparing evil bannanas to like, much less evil oranges.
+Christian Wheeler What do you have against bananas and oranges?! Next you'll be telling me leeks are an abomination... And that sake isn't real wine.
Joshua M Leeks are abominations. Fite me. (งಠ ͟ʖಠ)ง
+Christian Wheeler Well, the reason why he said that is because displaying the Nazi flag publicly violates obscenity laws in Germany and other parts of Europe, so European neo-nazis hang the confederate publicly instead, because they at least have the balls to admit that it's a symbol representing white supremacists.
Crazy! Had no idea, but I'm not American anyway.
YourMovieSucksDOTorg As a Canadian you get the luxury of not dealing with many of the bigoted idiots of the south. Consider yourself lucky.
SlypherSpoons I'm just going to hope you're trying to get a rise out of me. If not go fuck yourself.
Claire Janda Lol, what do you think America is to Canada? Not a bunch of backwards-ass bigots who live south of them?
YourMovieSucksDOTorg Don't worry, we didn't either. That's why I love CGP Grey's channel.
***** Canada is in America you dumb ass...
I guess you could say the navy refused to use navy blue on their flag
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YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Albania!
and your point is??.. How does that change the fact that the Stars and bars was flown over the confederacy and said to show white supremacy at the time by people?
+J BEST
Your point is?
self explanatory
I love how passionate Grey is about flags.
Pretty much every American jizzes themselves when they see the US flag
1:45 in the writing business they call that foreshadowing
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*Ironic*
@@kam_kolb795 *_yes_*
It's also the last flag of the confederacy.
@@sameman6884 lmao ripperoni in pepperoni
The UA-cam algorithm has a sick sense of humor
Why would this be demonitized?
@@flamingspew Im also interested.
The timing
I searched this up
@@MrZAPPER1000 UA-cam actually loses money by demonetising, it's probably the algorithm detecting the flag and falsely assuming that the video supports the controversial views commonly associated with it. Still shite, but what can you do?
I tried to educate a friend on this a few days ago and they unfriended me on facebook.
iPlayer93 Sounds like someone who wasn't really a friend.
iPlayer93 that is normal sadly
bro hug?
iPlayer93 Worth it.
iPlayer93 I feel you ... I lost half my FB friends when I tried to explain religion origins. TIP: never talk about religion in a catholic majority country :(
Lord Zephyros bro hug?
This video has been around longer than the Confederacy's existence.
And has been more beneficial to society
Not Really.
@@PowerOf47 Not Really.
The history of the confederacy has been around longer than you have
Oh we're still here ;)
Maybe if they had worried less about their flag they would have won.
LOL
lol
CelestialMind True. ...I just have to say, though, that the union army sucked. They had all the advantages, but it still took them so many years to win.
Nice!
***** Bad Strategies and Military Leaders :/
The Confederacy had way better Leaders, but they were outmatched; less resources, less soldiers, etc.
So... its like calling the Netherlands Holland?
TheFancyRoman da
TheFancyRoman sorta
Kinda, I mean it's not 100% right but nobody really cares😂😂
@@cheesus7672 yEah, rIgHt?! 👌💯💯👌😂😂👌😂👌💯💯👌😂
I guess but with flags
Confederates: *changes flag to avoid friendly fire*
Also confederates: "is that general jackson? SHOOT HIM"
" you've done messed up..."
- some Horse
@@renzluigiaquino7608 *Oversimplified intensifies*
This angered his father, who punished him severely.
They're idiots what you expect
@@kingkai2800 they're*
2:06 *”Can no longer be mistaken for the surrender flag”*
Yeah they made it so that there’s a big L.
The reason they made the white one is because they wanted to fool the north with it.
Ha
@@DarthOkamo They fooled the north so we'll they actually surrendered, amazing.
Great now I will never unsee this.
Grey presents: Fun With Flags !
projection
I'd watch that.
Watch big bang theory much?
Except Grey would do an excellent job
Please I want this to be a thing
Man, why didn’t the confederacy just ask Jack on YIAY to fix their flags?
Excubi J They had already asked Maryland to kill Lincoln, didn’t want to seem pushy.
Because he wasn't born yet
They didn’t check their privilege
@Comic Sans woooosh
Because they were jealous that jack lasted longer than the confederacy
Ironic how the went from “Stainless Banner” to “Blood-stained banner”, not so stainless eh?
Canadian?
Canadian?
Canadian?
Canadian?
Canadian?
"This is a cross" Me: "Well, a saltire, more accurately."
aka the Cross of St. Andrew.
@@heatherkuhn6559 True.
It's simply glorious that GCP Grey knows more about this stuff than the US Government and US Corporations.
***** Who?
***** It's not harder than to check the wikipedia article with a list of flags for the Confederation. Politicians and journalists just happen to be real fucking lazy.
Sverige för alltid No, they just know they can rile up people who have no clue on the subject. It is just a political move to get what they want.
***** It doesn't matter what they know. It matters what people perceive. Play on emotions and fuel the fire. Never let a crisis go to waste. Idiots concentrate on pissing contests and bitch fights while the government is gaining power and authority at every step. For safety, you know?
Who is this GCP Grey you speak of?
Now that the dust has settled, isn't it hilarious how Georgia avoided any backlash due to their flag?
yes, odd... and georgia is such a piece of shit state - i'm amazed how much they get away with.
+manualLaborer i disagree with you on all accounts
+Kirk Cooey - if you don't mind, please elaborate on your georgia experience.
+manualLaborer would you please elaborate on your "piece of shit" Georgia experience as well please.
Probably because their flag was never co-opted by the KKK
Imagine seeing this flag and thinking of anything other than a 1969 Dodge Charger.
Yes, the beautiful Charger called the General Lee
The one and only even slightly cool thing it can be associated with!
@@anihilistsweetpotato9535 Lynyrd Skynyrd flag
Or sweet home alabama by lynrd skynyrd
the car bo and luke bought is the general lee and it is a 1968 black dodge charger with two tone grey interior
This video has been out longer than the Confederacy lasted.
Ha-ha yeah.
It's also been out longer than both world wars.
also been out longer than the union lasted
@@Diskillfr Because they won and returned to being the United States of America.
Ironic that this flag will end up on the black market
***** Tough week for GOP :-), especially after today :-).
***** you got that from reddit you sneaky little rebel
I felt really guilty for laughing at this.
***** i see what you are trying to do, but that flag has nothing to do with racism... only with the south. the reason we associate that flag with racism is because we associate the south with it, and try to use the transitive property on it, but that's like saying sweet ice tea, pecan pies, sweet potato pies, crawfish, and po-boys are all racist and should be removed along with any mention of any southern state.
Mike Gill How is that hard for the GOP? It was the Democrats that were pushing everything that the confederacy stood for; the GOP was dominating the Union.
These comments are gonna be one hell of a ride
i saw one and died... wait, if i am dead, then WHO WAS POST? WHO?
What if gigabic is not kill?
Angel Valenzuela Awesome profile picture Fuko was one of my favourites from Clannad
HoudiniWeenie Actually I haven't even seen the word "democrat" before scrolling this far down. It all seems to be conspiracy nuts, confederate/slavery apologists and racism deniers.
U1TR4F0RCE Please no...Clannad??? Just no...
Actually got a notification from UA-cam about this video Before CGP even sent out the email notification! You better step your game up CGP, UA-cam is starting to beat you at your own game!
***** Like... notifying before the uploading?
Same here, by about three minutes
***** ive stopped getting emails from youtube entirely. could someone help me to get them back?
***** Same here. However I am a fairly hardcore participant in the channel who has commented on all CGP Grey's videos and watched them all more than once. I think normal people who just clicked "subscribe" after watching one CGP Grey video and then moving on wouldn't get these emails.
***** If UA-cam could be counted on to always play the game properly, Grey wouldn't need his email notifications.
fitting their final flag was a white one. They didn't like colors, anyways.
Lmfao
Took me 10 centuries to realize
Amazing to think that all those evil, cruel slave owners managed to convince my slave ancestors to adopt the very religion that was cruelly oppressing them for centuries, resulting in a long, deep history of said religion in african american culture
@@dgw3650 they were a race in need of hope with no other religions to look up to. It was inevitable that some would adopt Christianity
Wrong, white is a color because it is the sum of all the colors. Black is the absence of color.
Non-American here. Why is there suddenly a talk about this flag?
-Sarah- We don't want to deal with actual problems so the flag is the easy thing to bitch about.
-Sarah- Look up the shooting in South Carolina with the killing of 9 people by a white man that showed racist ideas as part of a white supremacy, and that people have been requesting the flags to be removed from government state groups and other places. Also with this has come anger on both sides on with to do with the confederate flags in general.
-Sarah- A guy killed 9 black people in a church. He was a white supremacist and wanted to start a civil war. People are auguring that this flag is a symbol of racism, and is was used by white supremacists like the man who shot up this church. There auguring that it should be taken down from government buildings.
-Sarah- Would you like to know what problem we can't deal with that started all the flag talk?
-Sarah- Last week, a young man killed several (9) people in a church in South Carolina, in the aftermath of the shooting the attention settled on this flag - because the flags at the capitol building in SC were lowered to half staff but this flag was being flown (yes, at the capitol building in a southern US state, 150 years after the civil war ended), this flag was being flown and was affixed to its pole so that it could not be either lowered or taken down. And as is said below, we tend to not deal with our actual issues in a direct and adult manner, so.....controversy about this flag.
Hope that helps to clarify at least some of the things. I am aware that there are obviously many more issues surrounding the whole situation but that is "the basics" of the flag part of the controversy.
I love the switcheroo Georgia pulled with their state flag. "Hey! You've got the Confederate flag in your state flag! Get rid of it!" "Okay. *smirk*" "There! That's better! *pats self on back." The new Georgia flag is the 1st Rebel National flag with the Georgia state seal in it, essentially changing nothing unless you know your history.
Dillon Warn Yep. We’re pretty smart like that.
@@sparrowpelt20xx61 "Smart"
SteveHeist If you there’s something you’d like to say, then say it.
if you know your history*
Meanwhile Mississippi is just proud of their racist past.
I GOT A 100% ON MY HISTORY FINAL! Thank you cpg grey.
some 2 minute video about a flag changing designs gave you a 100%
No, this and a shit load of his other videos did.
Not kidding this was one of the questions, an essay one.
Did you get a 98% for spelling?
Good job, bug I already knew this (history geek here) 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
0:36
Breaking news Somalia is now canceled
Their incompetence is as prevalent as their hate.
Rashad Are you talking about the rebels who broke free from a superpower(sounds framiliar) or the ban happy Liberals who have made a fuss over all of this
Noah Van Helsing DEM DAMN LIBURRALS TAKIN ERR JERBS!
DRRRRR TRRRRRRK RRRRRRR JRRRRRRRBS!!!!
Josh Nichols DEY TUK YER JERB!!!!!!
Noah Van Helsing "ban happy liberals" ... you mean like banning slavery?
America has "The Star Spangled Banner"
The United Kingdom has "The Union Jack"
Canada has.... "The Maple Leaf"
...why don't we get a cool name for our flag?
Duncan Van Ooyen Ours is just called "The Blue and White".
Duncan Van Ooyen Old glory, stars and strips, etc.
Duncan Van Ooyen Because you aren't America.
Joseph Stassup Neither are the UK or Canada....
Duncan Van Ooyen
Because we are down to earth europeans... we don't need that "we are tough and we will let you know through cool nicknames" kinda bullshit! Be proud of it meneer van Ooyen!
“SIR THEM THERE YANKEES HAVE US SURROUNDED!”
“Take the flag and cut off the red, and the battle flag.”
Hm... pretty versatile it seems.
"Who do you rebs think you are, the Bourbon French?! You're not scaring us with that new banner!"
@@thunderbird1921 the Bourbons were dethroned in 1830.. and the civil war began 30 years later, sooooo
I wish people would also stop getting the Norwegian flag confused with the CSA flag. There is clearly a difference.
Yeah! In CS flag the cross goes from corner to corner, the norwegian flag is like this 🇳🇴
Whats the difference between the sun and confederacy.......
The sun will rise again
Um a confedate flag was waved in the capital
@@idiotgaming6376 And the guy who waved it was arrested, as were hundreds of right-wing extremists, thugs and terrorists. Also *Capitol.
@@Conviction4696 still as long as the flag is waved the confederacy and it's ideals won't die till we all realize what it represents and burn it will the confederatcy truely end
@@idiotgaming6376 hmmmm, but most people do? A few hundred or thousand people who still embrace such things can hardly be described as living.
@@oswaldrabbit1409 yet that's how it spreads everything starts small till they convince enough people take religions for examplr and the idea of democracy started with 1 county and also rember hitler's reign started with very few
Fun Fact: Minecraft lasted longer than the Confederacy
And it has more money
Is The Fact Really Fun?
I mean its still going too, unlike the confederacy.
@@Qreator06 funner than the Confederacy
@@Qreator06 yes
maybe not "the" Confederate flag, but certainly "a" Confederate flag. And, the story I heard was that Betsy Ross did not design the flag, but convinced the designers to switch from six pointed to five pointed stars. And she and her husband's company certainly did sew a lot of the early US flags.
@TheBrodsterBoy wdym never used, I thought he said it was used as a battle flag, thus being "a" Confederate flag
Edit: now I see its a 2 year old comment so it doesnt matter I guess
Well, even if it is a Confederate flag, I do believe that because it was never the official flag, it should at least be given a break. Remember, before the Nazis used it, the swastika used to be a religious symbol of peace. Perhaps something that not only was barely used but not even wanted to be the flag in the first place can be used as a reminder of what not to do.
Im sure someone will be all offended because reasons, but from A PURELY AESTHETIC standpoint, the "x" design Confederate flag is absolutely one of my favorites.
indeed. flags, like all other art forms, are catalysts of emotion. Generally speaking, however, the intent of the creator and of the viewer / listener / recieving end, are not always the same. Understanding and educating ourselves of the creator /artist's history and circumstance, can help us appreciate and understand a "message's" intent and beauty for what it is and not what we think it is, but more so to appreciate the history any art form represents
Yep. It's sad that all that evil history had to get tangled with that pretty design. There are plenty of meh flag designs that would be less of a loss. At least we didn't lose a flag with a hexagon on it.
@@thomaslane1547 bro i swear the bad guys got the best drip fr
@@thomaslane1547 btw the civil war was not a war about slavery
@@yourmum69_420 Sure, they went to war for state's rights. But, a state's right to do what?
The confederate battle flag looks pretty cool to be honest
"Moon Bigoted"
+Moon Monbiot you dont have to be racist to like a flag. misconception the civil war was about slavery and states fights vs federal government. there was also a huge divide between North and South since colonial era.
Are you like 12?
Moon Monbiot
0 fucks given
Moon Monbiot
lol
The problem with the racists is that they were good at making cool flags
I like both, but they just happen to be hate symbols.
Daniel Oliveira exactly
The confederacy wasn't racist or founded on keeping black slaves. It was founded on states rights to break from the union, a big part of witch was to keep slaves both white and black. Yes there were white slaves and black slave owners. I'm glad they lost and slavery was bad but it's not a racial issue... I mean, it was to some, but it wasn't officially or legal ever remotely tied to race.
Melting Snow Read the declarations of secession published by the southern states. Southern states were against states rights when the north didn't want to return slaves. It had everything to do with slavery and racism and literally nothing to do with states rights.
here I was thinking it was the racism, but no, it is the cool flags that are the problem :P
This, however, doesn't take away from its being a symbol of racism.
***** Unfortunately, those who fly it subscribe to ignorance.
***** Fly what you want, you're not a public institution.
***** But you are racist?
MSP Redgrave It's used as such by certain people, but the flag itself is just a flag. It's reasonable to say that it's associated with the country that officially used it, but anybody can pick a flag from history and declare it a symbol of something or other, and if we were to consider all of that to be as significant as it is typically done inside the US when it comes to the Confederate flag, we wouldn't have any flags left to fly.
Think of this: a few decades before the US Civil War, when the US was fighting the War of 1812, it was the US that was desperately trying to hold on to slavery and racial segregation, faced with an opponent, Britain, that had already outlawed slavery and that was actively recruiting freed slaves into its military, to fight against their former owners. Does that make the Stars and Stripes a symbol of slavery and racism?
***** Well you are a racist, so that makes you ignorant...
Club penguin lasted longer the the confederacy
The time since Harambe died is longer than the confederacy survived
Timing, youtube...
Down with the confederacy! Long live the Republic!
@@ghassanm6640 What happened then?
@@zainmudassir2964 Republick is long time dead..... Confedracy will be in our hearts.
fun fact: this video has been around longer than the confederacy
And will last far longer than it haha
@@wa_demon__9156 yuuuuuuup
So? lol
@@tubeguy4066 so so
The confederacy lasted for 4 years.
Despite the history of the confederacy, I can't deny that that is a great looking flag. It has shapes that makes it easy to draw, while having an uncommon and distinct looking diagonal cross, making it easy to recognise. I also like the color scheme (but I am from Norway, and it reminds me of the Norwegian flag, so that might just be my bias).
If the flag didn't represent what it does, I'd like to have one in my house.
Exactly, so many cool designs are used by racists, like the swatstika (I cannot spell it lol) is super cool looking but there's a small issue with its history
@@sh0gun17 I never really cared for the look of the swastika. The black, red, and white just doesn't work for me.
@@slavacado2108 hi yes why do u have the confederate flag as ur pfp :)
@@slavacado2108 Is it because those are also the colors of the antifascist movement?
@@arigadatred5395 Truthfully I have never even heard of that.
Republic of West Florida: "Oh boy I cant wait to become an independent state!"
US: "Hippity Hoppity your land is now our property"
I love you. As a civil war history buff. I hated the miss - naming
Mark Eaglesperch ohh then have you played Ultimate general Gettysburg?? you will LOVE IT as I did. im a war history buff too :)
Lord Zephyros apple just pulled it from the app store for using the confederate battle flag, so yeah... that's a thing.
Lord Zephyros Just don't try getting it on iOS
Huntracony
it on pc though :) www.gog.com/game/ultimate_general_gettysburg
Lord Zephyros
i know
What the Confederacy Wanted: Become independent, win a war, and perpetuate slavery.
What the Confederacy Did: Failed to agree to a flag
@Roman Bellic Maybe you didn't read this correctly
Things the Confederacy tried to do: Become independent, *keep slavery* , win a war, *keep people enslaved* , and oh yeah, *keep slavery*
Lee didn't run the country, and the people who did supported slavery. Neither did Lee try to do anything to stop it, in fact fighting for government trying to preserve it. States rights existed before the CSA, and the most they "contributed" was whining that *freeing slaves* was violating states rights, just like segregationists in the 60s.
Getting offended that the CSA tried to preserve slavery is either a troll-take or the opposite of "doing research." Vomiting Lost Cause propaganda doesn't change that.
@@jacksondoegg4001 I wouldn’t want a slave-owning rebellion that didn’t even exist for as long as Nirvana to be my last line of defence there anyway. You’ve already all but ruined the term “States Rights” as a hissyfit that you can’t oppress others.
Thank you for putting this information out there. There were also variations of the battle flag used in different regions. The Army of Northern Virginia was the largest army for the confederates and therefore most people think their battle flag was the only one.
General: that looks too much like a surrender flag, put red on it.
Soilder: sir the union is here.
General: Quick take the red off!
0:10 as a Floridian, i much prefer this flag than the one we have
Easier to draw
@@MrPikachuTheMadman Yes, Florida man exists and he can hurt you. Also, I like the flag, too. It's my favorite color.
I cracked when I saw the rioters at the capitol holding up Confederate flags and claiming to take the USA back. I couldn't stop laughing
Wasn't it like one guy
@@Fr33zeBurn oh no, no, not at all
Don't forget the swastikas
@@user-tv3ik9qi9x this is America
“You can tell I’m patriot by the fact that I’m waving a flag that represents a confederacy that specifically fought against America”
This is the real confederate flag: 🏳️
No it isn’t, that’s the French Flag
Alex
Is it too much to ask for both?
Ohhh! Burn! Wow you burned them! Whew!
@@CajunKirk Just like Sherman at Atlanta.
@@CajunKirk You peeved?
Fun fact: this video lasted longer than the confederacy
i once farted for longer than the confederacy lasted
Which one? German? American? Gallic?
@@shockwavesteve American lmao
Fun fact: This video has existed for longer than the confederacy
haha lego ninjago lasted longer than the confederacy
lmao
Gay marriage has lasted longer than the confederacy
"THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!" lol, I don't think so.
+Michael McClelland Even if it does happen, the rebellion will get crushed. Just like last time.
+Brian Jensen Nope, because unlike the last time, we live in a world of asymmetrical warfare where conflicts can drag on for decades and decades without ever actually ending.
Kira Reilly
the south rising will require a centralized government that can be attacked and can surrender.
Only if "The south rising" is defined as the south unifying under a formal governing structure first. This could potentially occur as a result of civil unrest, public demonstrations, terrorism, and general guerrilla warfare.
Kira Reilly generally, "the south rising" means secession. A lot of what you mentioned has been happening for decades.
forgetting the connotation, i actually like the design of the last confederate flag
+dhodz hoddy qb0
+RedJackOfClubs They weren't seceding because they were being outvoted, they seceded mostly because they felt that the rights of individual states were being trampled. Slavery was not addressed by the Constitution, and "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively...", therefore the ability to allow or disallow slavery technically fell into the hands of the states. When the federal government tried to take those rights from them, they got upset, and decided to form their own country.
However, none of that excuses slavery in the slightest. Let me make it clear that I am not supporting their choice to keep slaves, merely that they felt it was their Constitutional right to do so.
No, the 10th amendment is in direct conflict with the supremacy clause which is was not design to completely overturn. This is something conservatives don't seem to get that through there head when they cry states rights.
curious look I never said it wasn't. I was just saying that the reason the Confederate states seceded was because they felt their tenth amendment right was being taken away from them, in spite of the fact that the Supremacy Clause means that federal law applies to all states.
Bel-Shamharoth except thats not really why which differentiates it fro the modern conservative movement. modern conservatives want states rights on about everything, taxes, environmental regulations, and obviously gay marriage, even border control in some cases.
the south cared about one "right" and on right only, the right to own slaves. Read mississippi's declaration of secession, its literally the only issue they mention.
1:53 French flag
hmm wonder why this popped into my recommendations on the ninth of January 2021
sad times
@Uncle Ho sounds like you're the easily offended one ngl
@Uncle Ho we're just trying to not celebrate slave owners that's all
Popped up for me on February 12,2021
@@twodimensional6887 it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT!!!
It is kind of sad how many that wave the flag do not even know this...but then again most do not take pride in their researching abilities anyway.
The flag symbolizes the south, which is what most people want to do by flying it.
asd asd I really don’t get why the south is nationalistic, can’t they just wave around a US flag and get the same result? You don’t see people from Massachusetts waving around their flag... or New England... or anywhere that’s not the south...
Democrats just enjoy stewing in their own hatred.
Zobdigi
Especially since the Confederates were traitors...?
They were not traitors, the railroad companies started buying and destroying farmland for their tracks, their economy ran off of agriculture I would fight back too. It's sad to see the American people doesn't even know it's own history.
A country that doesn't know where it was yesterday doesn't know where it is today. - General Robert Edward Lee
I can't get over the fact that Apple removed all civil war games from the App Store. Like its being used in a historical matter. Also the fact that Amazon got rid of the confederate flag and kept nazi flags pisses me off.
here's you one
WHAT!!
Such an amazing design in its battle and national flags, and such passion in many of its troops, all for cause that ultimately wanted the exact wrong thing.
Even if that wasn’t the case, there wouldn’t have been peace between either country if the South had won. You might as well compare it to how the Greek city-states went back to killing each other not long after fighting the Persians.
0:49 The American Flag designer was Francis Hopkinson who signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776, and adapting on June 14, 1777. Betsy Ross did a 13-star circle as a variant, and Hopkinson made an official 13 six-pointed stars arranged in rows. So the government took a Hopkinson's flag as a official American Flag, with a five-pointed star arrangement.
Basically, the Confederacy utterly failed at making flags.
Among other things....
@@Geoff69420 many other things...
*cough* also at combat *cough*
@@antonraulpen Lee fucking destroyed the union for a long time it was not until Ulysses s grant destroyed him in combat he was forced to surrender post war due to his battle prowess he was pardoned
@@erickrasniewski567 even with Lee, almost the entire war was fought on southern soil and he couldn't even force the North to move the capital back to its old location dispite DC being basically right on the front lines.
And that was when the US army was filled with incompetent generals. Once Lincoln had fired enough generals to actually get to people who knew what they were doing (which was more than just Grant, btw)....well, we all know how that went.
Look past the battles and the legends and myths. The fact that Lee (who I admit was a good general) couldn't even get the capital moved back from the front lines when the North had a bunch of incompetent generals only to try a desperate hail-mary in his only significant push into the North (seriously Lee, basics of warfare is know your enemy. Fighting a master of terrain tactics and logistics in the Pennsylvanian foothills was a fool's errand) is a clear example of how the South picked a fight it couldn't win.
Tl:dr Lee vs the incompetent early Northern generalship and the best they could do is fight to a draw while Lincoln purged the upper levels off command of incompetence. From day 1 the whole war was just a matter of time.
I like how you manage to get this deep into ongoing internet arguments but have no stake in it whatsoever so you can stay factual. I like it.
Samurai Jack was on Cartoon Network longer than the Confederacy lasted.
But Grey what was the flag of their Air Force?
A completely invisible flag. That's why people thing that they didn't have an airforce. Stupid sheeple
And what about their Space Force?
@@jjtomecek1623 space doesn't exist dumbass
@@Kaadilac wooosh
@@MrHat. What? Do you even know what that means?
"Not the Confederate Flag"
Not a monetized video
For those saying "the flag means nothing, it represents freedom and opposition and rebellion and "southern culture", all states used to be slave states so all flags should be condemned then" I'm willing to debunk it.
First, let's talk about the reason the civil war occurred. White people within the southern united states didn't like the people of the north, for various reasons and over time that dislike grew. One of the largest reasons was that the north was incrementally banning slavery, which the south wanted to keep in place. Now I'm sure I don't have to explain to anyone here slavery is fucking despicable.
So a number of states that still allowed slavery (note that numerous people in the northern united states still kept slaves, just because a law is passed doesn't mean everything is suddenly dandy) known as "slave states" broke away from the united states to preserve themselves. It was a seperatist country founded upon the principles of defending their right to legally own people of a different race, which is why such a flag is condemned while other previous state flags are not.
Also of note is people defending the fact that there were other slave states still within the union. This is true, there isn't any falsehood in that, but the difference here is they were not opposed to incremental change. Staying within the union meant that they were ready for the possibility of change, of slowly abolishing slavery (don't get me wrong, slavery should have been abolished immediately but it is far better than confederate slave states)
I feel like this oversimplifies the motivations of the confederacy. While slavery was a root cause it's never really discussed why and is just left to "The south hated blacks and wanted to own them because racism" when that is not the main reason. Imagine you're a bunch of states and your economy is primarily based on System A. Without System A, your economy would be in shambles and you would barely have enough economic output to sustain yourself. Well, some group of people in another group of states with more ways to make money don't like System A so they want to ban it. You can start to see why the South didn't like this. From their perspective it was a bunch of people with far more economic opportunity trying to destroy the primary economic opportunity the south had.
And then imagine what the south thought when the people trying to ban slavery had slaves and you'll start to see why that point is parroted so much.
I'm not defending slavery but history isn't as black and white as your comment implies and every war or conflict has many complicated causes.
And as much as you may think you have debunked the claim that the Confederate battle flag/Confederate flag represents southern culture, you can't really debunk a cultural icon. If a bunch of people agree that an icon represents them or their culture you can't really say they are wrong.
I'm nearly 70.
But back when I was in public school, we learned all about this, and many more things that today's College graduates know NOTHING about!
thats terrifying
@@netanelohimwarren3629 do facts terrify you?
Hence the reason shits going down the drain quick.
It's by design, the less they know the easier it is to control them through emotional outrage
Ah, the good ole West Florida Autonomous Zone.
The first official confederate flag is basically exactly the same as the state of Georgia's current flag.
You are correct. That is how we pulled one over on the public. We were getting grief about our flag having the "confederate" flag on it, so we changed it so not to offend anyone. We went with the current flag and everyone went "that's better" now we have no reminder of the old south. It pays sometimes to know all the little details about history.
This is the confederate flag🏳🏳🏳🏳
Taco bell dog lived longer than the confederacy
If only they kept the bonnie blue flag, and people wouldn't mistake the norwegian flag for the confederate flag💀
Wait what? People confuse these 2?
Why I am asking, of course someone always will.
@@Fytrzaczek21 yep.
idk why Southerns keep calling the confederate flag their "heritage" when theres other and more better stuff to symbolize their heritage as if they were different from the north.
Confederate heritage was wanting to own slaves when the rest of the world realized it was wrong.
@@pure2291 Actually the civil war was more about the south wanting to become their own country, shockingly not many people know this. Yes slavery was a part of it but secession was a bigger cause
@Christopher Cunningham actually there were probably more slaves in the north than the south because chances are there were more wealthy people up north than south
@@georgevolkov2158 that whole "secession being the cause" thing was just a cover, deep down, it was almost entirely based on slavery.
@@georgevolkov2158 The reason they wanted to become independent was because the federal government (especially Lincoln) was threatening to take their slaves.
You might argue that the south had a different culture to the north and thus wanted to become independent, but why was the south so complacent in the years following the signing of the Declaration of Independence?
0:16 - 0:27 for some reason I find that whole animation hilarious.
When the big US Girl slid in I snort-laughed
@@happyfacefries with a Glock or something in her hand😅
Bravo 6 going dark
1:52: The only confederate flag that mattered.
. *THANK YOU*
....I keep having arguments with people calling the Battle flag 'The Stars and Bars'.
Once again, CGP Grey to the rescue.
Aka Educational hero without a face.
WHO CARES WHAT IT'S CALLED!?.... It was removed because of what it SYMBOLIZES to many of it's users: WHITE SUPREMACY. If that doesn't work for you then, consider this. We and England were once one and the same. They waged war against us and LOST! Now they NO LONGER HAVE THE RIGHT TO FLY THEIR FLAG ON AMERICAN SOIL. The same goes for the confederacy. They waged war against us and lost, thus, they no longer have the right to fly their flag in this country. I'm an ex-Marine, and I PLEDGE MY ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. And it irks me to see TRAITORS who tried to OVERTHROW our government, and who have sworn that the confederacy "SHALL RISE AGAIN" to take Our Country back, yet still believe that they have a right to fly their flag over our GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS in celebration of their NEFARIOUS INTENTIONS and in honor of TRAITORS who never wanted to be a part of OUR COUNTRY in the first place. They have no sovereign rights here! The SWASTIKA doesn't fly on government building in Germany. Though, in European country where the swastika is banned, racist groups use the confederate battle flag in it's place. That is the best example for us to see that the rest of the world also identifies the confederate flag as a sign of WHITE SUPREMACY. So, who really cares what it's called. If it had NO NAME, it would still have same meaning.
Becca Lou
The Grand Union flag was based on the pre-1801 British flag, and not only that, the flag of Hawaii is based on the current one.
Becca Lou
The Grand Union flag was based on the pre-1801 British flag, and not only that, the flag of Hawaii is based on the current one.
WHY is one OF THE comments containing RANDOM ALL CAPS and is also ABOUT PATRIOTISM but also hating THE COUNTRY?
who cares about this flag, the only symbol that matters is the one for challenjour, gg
vvvortic are you on every channel? not just dordins?
vvvortic challenjour even in history classes
vvvortic how the fk did u get here...
HAHAHA
FREAKING GOLD
I mean challenjor
Why the fuck are you here too
Confederacy: switches flag to look less surrendery
The Confederacy 36 days later......
*surrenders*
lmao
We fought bravely
@@taylorboys3791 we?
@@CasuallyConsistent I did actually have a great great grandfather who fought beside General Lee at Appomattox Courthouse and was one of the ones that signed the official surrendering papers.
@@taylorboys3791 still lost
Should be banned anyways, is the Losers flag
@CONFEDERATE NATION Have you been to a history class before?
@@fishy4reelz just look at his pfp
@Austin Chandler it’s literally the losers’ flag? They lost.
BUT WE MUST ABOLISH ALL REFERENCES TO THE CONFEDERACY REGARDLESS OF CONTEXT BECAUSE THAT WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING!!! SO LONG AS WE FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON THIS WE WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE REAL PROBLEM!!! 'MURICAAAA!!!
I've always thought the Confederate battle flag resembled the Union Jack, what with the colors and cross. No wonder they broke away from the Union; they were closet Tories all along!
Very well done video with some great information! Solid impartial discussion of a very complex symbol in American History. Unfortunately, symbols and their meanings will never be as simple as this video.
*US history
idgaf im still burnin it
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Why didn't Lincoln or Grant take all the flags down during or after the war?
John Tortorella Well, they did. The flags were put up in the early 1960s "coincidentally" just as the Civil Rights movement started picking up.
HaloDoomer Also,"coincidentally" for the 100 year anniversary of the start of the war.
Not exactly a good symbol of the war to be celebrated, all things considered.
HaloDoomer That's just fucked up. America seems to like salt on wounds.
John Tortorella An unfortunate proportion of America likes to salt those wounds to intimidate and control, while pretending it means something different as to protect their ability to continue doing so. Things are (finally) changing.
The Republic of West Florida will rise again, or something!
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Imagine a whole country of Florida men?take me home 🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴
@@mangonel I wanna live there.
@@mangonel the statue of President Ali Gator: Beer in one hand, crack pipe in the other.
Fun fact Justin Bieber career lasted longer than the entire Confederacy
The white flag is the Confederate flag because that's what they ended with.
You can't just copy france?
I must have learned the song when I was very young. I always wondered what the "bonnie blue flag that bears a single star" was.
Official loser flag since 1865
@@your_averageboi9083eh, fair enougth
I never got the obsession Americans have with their flag, really if you care that much about a flag you're one of the problems with humanity. Another moronic blind nationalistic fuck
***** I know we didn't invent Jingoism, but we've pretty well re-invented Jingoism.
I'm just grateful that it's one of the few things we haven't managed to export on any kind of large scale.
***** They don't love the flag you dipshit, they love what the flag represents.
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No, you were talking about the American flag. Anyway, the confederate flag means different things too different people. You just decide to see it at it's worst representation, which most people don't even see it as.
Our flag looks pretty damn good and is unique.
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So, you should be against every nations founding, then? Right? I mean please name me one old nation that wasn't founded, when slavery persisted. You confuse the two, America never was a nation founded on slavery, it just happened to have slavery, when basically slavery wasn't a moral issue. People back then didn't share you morals, or your beliefs on the subject. It was common throughout human history, and still is.
There were little similarity on the confederacy founding, and the US founding. Sure both rebelled against the mother country, but for different reasons. America too free itself of British rule and tyranny, and the Conferderacy to uphold their nationality, their way of living and slavery (even though slavery had little to do with the actual war).
You cannot have an exact meaning for any flag. You would basically have to have everybody think the same, then. The FLAG represents different things too different people, YOU cannot change that. You make it sound like 'nationalism' is a bad thing, and even go as far to say that if you love the flag, you are a 'blind idiot'. Thanks for confirming nothing and just sprouting complete nonsense, you are SO accurate in what you have said.
That was interesting background on a traitorous group.
@Nathaniel So you’re a fan of slavery?
@Nathaniel states rights to exactly what 🤨
@Nathaniel I’m legitimately curious here, could you provide a source on that amendment?