Excelsior can't catch a break man Luckily there seems to be 1 of 3 left 1st one was mothballed ad the museum 3rd one is well Gone now 2nd one is apparently still active, granted it's 31 years old now, but It never really got brought up after
no, that's where Picard's young guy warrior friend from season one was stationed. One of the barbs of season three producers to erase the first 2 seasons of Picard, and overall the past 25 years of sad Star Trek.
And the character of Captain Shaw is so great bc he sits completely outside of the TNG world and actually takes appropriate and responsible actions and views the world with realistic and accountable expectations... He's basically beating the critics from the audience to the punch by calling out the TNG crew for their rule breaking and plot armoring and special treatment that they receive... And he's calling them out in the scenes. Lol. That's such a great technique that they used to disarm that whole argument before it starts.
I respect and hate this scene. . . I really,really hated Shaw at first, but he grew on me, so much so that I did not want him to die, I wanted more of him. Todd Stashwick did a great job!
Before this episode, there were calls by others for a Shaw show, similar to the way people were calling for a Pike show after Discovery Season 2. Then this episode happened and everyone went, "... Damn."
Shaw "I HATE the crew on the NCC1701D Enterprise. You're all a bunch of self righteous assholes!!!" also Shaw: Ohh mah GAWD! Is that La-Forrge!? I am like, such a huge fan! I have your manual on advanced engines. Im like, such a Stan for you."
Shaw had been running from the demons that haunted him since Wolf 359. He was traumatized by survivors guilt-wondering why he lived when others of his crew didn’t. It’s off his back now.
Especially as it's an inverse of that situation, as he dies in order to allow his fellow crew members to evacuate a ship being attacked by the Borg on the last available escape craft. It's not _literally_ the same scenario, but certainly close enough for this to be considered full circle.
His character reminded me of Lt. Dan on Forrest Gump. He lived, feeling he should have died, but spent all that time wondering what the purpose of it all was.
The first time he called her Hanson again after she told him she knew it was a changling and not Sdyney because Sydney always called her Commander Seven out of respect to the name she prefered, I knew if he ever called her Seven of Nine he would die immediately after. I felt so vindicated when that was exactly what happened. Dude was an absolute ass, but he was a good captain that cared deeply for his crew.
I like how the phasor fire has a certain solidity to it, like actually firing a gun. you can feel the recoil through the screen, and when the phasor shot hits somebody, there is something solid to the strike
When they are watching the screen for the USS Excelsior, its fairly similar to the TNG episode "The Wounded". The screen layout just looks updated, but otherwise very similar to when they are watching the USS Phoenix destroy a Cardassian ship : ua-cam.com/video/guo1ivcosVo/v-deo.html
lol Just noticed the similar music piece at 1:49 when picard hailed the enterprise in Best of Both worlds and Riker was like fire....then that cliffhanger music at 1:49
We lost a good captain but man he passed away starring into 7 s eyes knowing she would be the best she can as caption as we find out later he recommends captain for her upon return from the mission , an he admired her bravery an loyalty ❤ I wished an hope he some how got some nana probes accidentally that know one knew about an healed him we can dream people we can dream
Yeah Shaw definitely grew on me. I hated him at first but I grew to love him instead and he is an outsider technically. He’s a grunt at heart but he comes to his senses and proves he’s down for whatever. It would’ve been an honor to serve with him during the Dominion War where I’m sure he was a Lt. Commander at best. Yeah this scene definitely hurts…too bad we cannot resurrect him. RIP Shaw 🙏🏾🖖🏾💪🏾💯
I hope they do a "Jedi Mind Trick" for ST:Legacy and Shaw didn't die but recovered from his injuries. Wouldn't be the first resurrection in the ST universe.
@@AndrewChapman I never understood why they never did more with Shelby. She was vital in what arguably the best Trek ever (TV or movie). And then she vanishes. Never a guest star. Doesn't pops up on DS9 captaining a starship or leading a taskforce. They could've had Shelby captaining Voyager instead creating the character Janeway. Just radio silence for 30 years, and its not like she was unpopular withing the nerdverse, infact she was a big part of the Mackenzie Calhoun stories, another character that I really want to see come into canon.
hey screwed up when killing shaw! he was EXACLY the kid of personality this franchise needed! i adored him right from the firs scene! he may have been a prick! but he was RIGHT!!! and we all KNOW IT! hats why he pissed so many off. but what IS right? IS right! (because hes my son! ah.... god damn it....) yall know what im talking about! BRILLIANTLY written charactor
I have not seen one comment on any video or anything I have ever seen on this series, and I watched the series...... Explaining why the star fleet ships appear in that kind of pattern. There has to be a reason for it
I love Data’s sarcastic response. “I hope we die quickly. 😊”
Agreed 😂
I second that. It fits so well on the situation
That's mostly like Lore talking.
Upset Shaw was killed. I loved his sarcasm. Modern day Riker lol.
0:50 I find it morbidly hilarious that the Excelsior gets destroyed by a ship named after Sulu
Ouch. XD
Just means that the writers for THIS season knew a thing or two about Star Trek.
Excelsior can't catch a break man
Luckily there seems to be 1 of 3 left
1st one was mothballed ad the museum
3rd one is well
Gone now
2nd one is apparently still active, granted it's 31 years old now, but It never really got brought up after
no, that's where Picard's young guy warrior friend from season one was stationed. One of the barbs of season three producers to erase the first 2 seasons of Picard, and overall the past 25 years of sad Star Trek.
Mattison said that he wasn't on the exsalser
And the character of Captain Shaw is so great bc he sits completely outside of the TNG world and actually takes appropriate and responsible actions and views the world with realistic and accountable expectations... He's basically beating the critics from the audience to the punch by calling out the TNG crew for their rule breaking and plot armoring and special treatment that they receive... And he's calling them out in the scenes. Lol. That's such a great technique that they used to disarm that whole argument before it starts.
Picard almost killed him....Wolf 359
I respect and hate this scene. . . I really,really hated Shaw at first, but he grew on me, so much so that I did not want him to die, I wanted more of him. Todd Stashwick did a great job!
Yeah,Stashwick has a knack for playing characters like that. Watch 12 Monkeys
Before this episode, there were calls by others for a Shaw show, similar to the way people were calling for a Pike show after Discovery Season 2. Then this episode happened and everyone went, "... Damn."
I liked Shaw from the moment he first appeared at dinner
I hated it. I really really wanted a Shaw spinoff.
I think that was the point. They wanted him to grow on us. He was an asshole.... but he died a hero.
Shaw "I HATE the crew on the NCC1701D Enterprise. You're all a bunch of self righteous assholes!!!"
also Shaw: Ohh mah GAWD! Is that La-Forrge!? I am like, such a huge fan! I have your manual on advanced engines. Im like, such a Stan for you."
In his mind, La-Forge is the sane one as he feels La-Forge has to clean up the mess caused by Picard and the rest of the gang.
Data's face in the background when Troi says she's never been so happy to see so many wrinkles. LOLZ
I love Seven's "The robot is right." Lol
data is like did this borg bitch call me a robot lmao
And the funniest thing is that it was actually improvised, hence Data and Geordi 's reaction to it XD
Data and Geordi "excuse you?"
My first response was "Look whose calling a robot a robot lady."
"I am an android, not a robo-- Oh wait..."
2:57
Mr. Data, your inner Lore is showing 😆☠️
exactly.
I completely missed him saying "you have the CON 7 of 9"
The irony that the Excelsior was destroyed by a fleet of ships including the Hikaru Sulu...
And why did they change the registry number? 😐
Not the same Excelsior probably
Shaw had been running from the demons that haunted him since Wolf 359. He was traumatized by survivors guilt-wondering why he lived when others of his crew didn’t. It’s off his back now.
Especially as it's an inverse of that situation, as he dies in order to allow his fellow crew members to evacuate a ship being attacked by the Borg on the last available escape craft. It's not _literally_ the same scenario, but certainly close enough for this to be considered full circle.
His character reminded me of Lt. Dan on Forrest Gump. He lived, feeling he should have died, but spent all that time wondering what the purpose of it all was.
"In their last moments, people show you who they really are"
-The Joker
Notice when Captain Shaw is shot, the assimilated crew stop shooting.
I'm still not completely over them killing off Captain Shaw.
I have no doubt he'll be back. After all, Shax came back...
Spock's death was epic, but he returned. Shaw's death now reigns supreme as the greatest casualty in Star Fleet history.
The first time he called her Hanson again after she told him she knew it was a changling and not Sdyney because Sydney always called her Commander Seven out of respect to the name she prefered, I knew if he ever called her Seven of Nine he would die immediately after. I felt so vindicated when that was exactly what happened. Dude was an absolute ass, but he was a good captain that cared deeply for his crew.
you felt vindicated when he died . . . remind me never to go out drinking with you
I like how the phasor fire has a certain solidity to it, like actually firing a gun. you can feel the recoil through the screen, and when the phasor shot hits somebody, there is something solid to the strike
I've never been so happy to see so many wrinkles. -- Troi 😂
When they are watching the screen for the USS Excelsior, its fairly similar to the TNG episode "The Wounded". The screen layout just looks updated, but otherwise very similar to when they are watching the USS Phoenix destroy a Cardassian ship : ua-cam.com/video/guo1ivcosVo/v-deo.html
Data being sarcastic reminds me of Kryten from Red Dwarf🤣
lol Just noticed the similar music piece at 1:49 when picard hailed the enterprise in Best of Both worlds and Riker was like fire....then that cliffhanger music at 1:49
I didn’t pick up on that! Good ear! The composers really did go all out with the musical homages to classic Trek!
Capt Shaw was a great character. He'll be missed.
Todd Stashwick as Shaw was just marvelous in this. I found that he was my favorite character. A shame, that his end came so quick.
2:02 we have a fleet formation.. A few look like the Terran Empire sword through the Earth symbol.. What else is there?
Long live the Terran Empire!!
Terra Firma
Terra Eterna
You have the conn, Seven of Nine
Magical
We lost a good captain but man he passed away starring into 7 s eyes knowing she would be the best she can as caption as we find out later he recommends captain for her upon return from the mission , an he admired her bravery an loyalty ❤ I wished an hope he some how got some nana probes accidentally that know one knew about an healed him we can dream people we can dream
so many wrinkles, thats an awesome line
Dam thing still hits me when he passes
Yeah Shaw definitely grew on me. I hated him at first but I grew to love him instead and he is an outsider technically. He’s a grunt at heart but he comes to his senses and proves he’s down for whatever. It would’ve been an honor to serve with him during the Dominion War where I’m sure he was a Lt. Commander at best. Yeah this scene definitely hurts…too bad we cannot resurrect him. RIP Shaw 🙏🏾🖖🏾💪🏾💯
He questioned captain Picard to many times so we all knew he was going to die.
The Uss Excelsior was destroyed, so Elnor is dead too?😮
Terry Matalas (or one of the other writers) said that Elnor wasn’t aboard the Excelsior during Frontier Day.
The Sulu is near the Excelsior.
RIP Elnor.
Terry Matalas said that Elnor is alive and wasn’t aboard Excelsior when it was destroyed.
At 00:49, what happened the USS Excelsior NCC-42037?
Basically, it go boom.
@@robertt.juengel4298 I'd say for Memory Alpha, Destroyed in 2401.
:(
@@robertt.juengel4298 Don't worry, though, Terry Matalas confirms Elnor was NOT on board.
@@heavyarms01h Didn’t he also state that Ro Laren didn’t die in the sabotaged shuttle?
@@heavyarms01h Too bad.
Why did the changeling stop shooting?
I want him back!
That’s wasn’t all of starfleet ships was it?
3:50 ............. 😢
I hope they do a "Jedi Mind Trick" for ST:Legacy and Shaw didn't die but recovered from his injuries. Wouldn't be the first resurrection in the ST universe.
Same goes for Shelby.
@@AndrewChapman I never understood why they never did more with Shelby. She was vital in what arguably the best Trek ever (TV or movie). And then she vanishes. Never a guest star. Doesn't pops up on DS9 captaining a starship or leading a taskforce. They could've had Shelby captaining Voyager instead creating the character Janeway. Just radio silence for 30 years, and its not like she was unpopular withing the nerdverse, infact she was a big part of the Mackenzie Calhoun stories, another character that I really want to see come into canon.
yeah shelby showing up once in awhile giving Seven her orders over subspace and occasionally in person would be nice @@chrisstetsko5020
hey screwed up when killing shaw! he was EXACLY the kid of personality this franchise needed! i adored him right from the firs scene! he may have been a prick! but he was RIGHT!!! and we all KNOW IT! hats why he pissed so many off. but what IS right? IS right! (because hes my son! ah.... god damn it....) yall know what im talking about! BRILLIANTLY written charactor
Who better to kill than a character who will be missed?
To be honest I'd rather Seven had died instead of Shaw. Or alternatively Raffi, I wouldn't miss her.
I agree with him calling her Annika Hansen.
Residents is necessary.
She could have brought him back to life with nanoprobes. She did it before.
Shaw’s death is something I didn’t like. They could have done it far better.
Troi is commenting about other people's wrinkles?! That's some real pot calling the kettle black action right there.
Great line though.
well all of them properly qualify for AARP.
Not gonna lie, Troi is still hot af.
it is soooo dark that it is almost completely unwatchable. I guess they were doing their best to hide the wrinkles and the paunches.
Season 3 of Picard was better than all 7 seasons of TNG
Goddamn Borg. I'm so sick of them. They've become the most overrated Star Trek villain ever
Unfortunately blame it on the fact that the Borg are Picard's archenemy and that this was planned as TNG's The undiscovered country,
I have not seen one comment on any video or anything I have ever seen on this series, and I watched the series...... Explaining why the star fleet ships appear in that kind of pattern. There has to be a reason for it
So a few 100 ships were taken over by the Borg ??