This is great info, Jason, thank you. Btw, the first roses I propagated was from the suckers, I mean not the good suckers but from the grafted roses. I didn't know at the time the difference in canes. I was just excited to learn how to root roses. You should've seen my joy that they rooted well. However, when it flowered, the petals were single. I was told that I might've rooted the suckers. Sure enough, they were correct. I still giggle every time I see them roses. I kept them because they were the first roses I rooted. :)
Great video; thank you! I planted rosa rugosa last year and it has begun sending suckers out. That is fine with me, it has plenty of room to form a thicket in the pasture and I believe it will make a good place for birds to nest. Now I know I can also propagate from the suckers.
1. can we grow new plant from these suckers ? 2. I tried to plant more than fifty plants from the branches but all of them died, can you give me some advice, I am trying to plant my mother's favorite rose plant. 3 I'm truly really waiting for your reply 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺 .
Hi Jason, I was trying to figure out the source of a couple of "volunteers" in my own yard that I suspected were coming from the roots. I only grow own root roses, so I was pretty sure they were suckers rather than by seed. One volunteer, I believe to be a sucker from Iceberg (white). The original bush was very hardy and got too large for the space, so I moved it. It popped up the following autumn and when it bloomed, I figured it must have come from a piece of Iceberg root still left in the ground. The other one actually popped up on my neighbor's side of the fence, but its bloom and habit looks just like my "Victorian Memory" (AKA Isabelle Skinner. As far as I know, these are more modern shrubs, further removed from species roses, but nevertheless, I think they both suckered.
Sometimes a natural barrier like a spot between a pathway and a foundation can work - but it depends on how vigorous the plant. A barrier can work, and I suspect 8" (20cm) would be deep enough for most suckering roses.
AWESOME!!!! I was wondering about that …too bad I didn’t see this yesterday before I clipped my last batch of suckers instead of checking to pull their roots
hi there, thank you for your useful videos, i took hard wood cutting and semi-ripe cuttings from roses at 9/4/2020, the buds were open at 21/4/2020, and new leaflet emerges till now, i wonder if it will die, and in this case do we consider these hardwood cuttings. or dose the weather "in Egypt" effect on growth habits. thank you
Can we use soft wood cuttings from the rose suckers for plant propogation? I just cut one rose sucker from one my hybrid tea peach colour rose (grafted one 10-12 year old) and took 4 node cuttings and put them in pot for an experiment.
Suckers from grafted roses have value as rootstock to graft onto. The rootstock determines the growth habit of the grafted plant. If you start a grafted rose from cuttings you will get the same flowers as the parent plant but you wont get the same growth habit. To duplicate a grafted rose take a root sucker and start it, then take a cutting from the same plant and graft it onto your rooted sucker.
Jason, can I use the suckers from the grafted rose as a rootstock? I mean to root the suckers after taking them out and instead of chucking them away, and graft a desired variety on it later?
Thank you so much. I have a rose bred by a neighbour in honour of my dog. It is magnificent but overhanging my neighbour's fence. If I can make a new one then I can place it better.
Hi Jason; i had Mr Lincoln hybrid tea rose. This year it didn't grow back in spring; stayed dormancy until June and grew some suckers ; which i thought they were Mr Lincoln rose ; until it has some tiny little flowers ; i was puzzled at first until i read about the suckers to realize those are suckers came out from the same Lincoln 's root. Now is it my Lincoln rose dead as some article said the suckers can kill the original roses ? I cut all the suckers and now hold out hope the Lincoln will come back from the root.
I think Mr. Lincoln is gone. I'm not sure it's exactly right to say the suckers "killed" your desired rose. The grafted tissue is above the rootstock, and more vulnerable to winter die-back. When the grafted variety died, the suckers sent new shoots, but they'll never revert back to Mr. Lincoln.
Please could you tell me if it's possible to propagate a sucker as a cutting. The reason being that my rose plant grows in a container so I won't be getting from.it as a runner.
Yes. I like the semi-hardwood method best - once the sucker puts on new growth, treat it as any other stem on the rose. Some roses are easier than others. What's the variety?
I have a rose called The Alnwick Rose that is own-root. Last year it suffered from a fungus due to neglect on my part. I thought I would lose it, but it has bounced back great with some tlc, but it also sent out a number of suckers in close range. Is it ok to divide those from the main plant this fall? It looks like it can make two plants. How close is “too close” to take a sucker?
I have a "double delight" tree rose that i rescued- it barely leaded out last year and now a sucker. If i propagate this will it just be a double delight shrub or? Or is this sucker no good because maybe double delight is grafted? Thanks from Oregon
If a patented rose suckers or propagates by itself with no human intervention, is it considered breaking the law to sever and keep the sucker in your opinion? I looked at your video on the topic, but nothing was mentioned about when roses do this on their own. It's a pretty cool phenomenon honestly.
The violator is the rose itself - maybe they should try to put handcuffs on it! But seriously, I don't think anyone could blame you for suckering or even division within your yard. It's only those who are actively propagating patented varieties for sale that they're worried about, if at all.
In this video you cut most of the basal stem and leaves off when propagating a new plant. Is it OK to use longer stems (with most leaves removed) instead of the 5 or 6 inches?
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thanks for your reply. I have succeeded with longer pieces myself but I thought it was pure luck. Really enjoy your videos, well presented and informative!
I have what appears to be an old Rosa Rugosa Alba shrub which is enormous, healthy and full of blooms once a year in late spring. The original shrub, however, has died and all that remains is a thick ring of suckers that has grown too big for its location. Is it possible to divide and replant a mass of suckers back into the ground rather than the method shown here? If so what preparation for the soil is optimal, and can this be done any time after blooming?
Hi Peter - my experience with suckers is that they're quite easy to dig up and relocate. No special prep needed, but depending on your climate, I might steer clear of the hottest or coldest months of the year.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thanks! I just wanted to hear someone say that. I'm in Wisconsin and have an overgrown hedge of honeysuckle, lilac and this one Rosa Rugosa that's long overdue for rejuvenation. I've had success cutting back an elderberry and know with these flowering shrubs I need to wait until they're done flowering. We have warm summers that have plenty of rain only rarely reach 90. My plan was to make this my summer project, reseeding the adjacent terrace and clearing out the invasives once the shrubs are cut back - meaning I'd be out there most every weekend, watering and watching. In full bloom the hedge is gorgeous, so I want to be careful and do things the right way. Again, thanks!
Hi Jason, I have an Arthur Bell inherited here in this new garden and it's thrown up a new stem I thought was new growth but it's just flowered it has 5 buds on it but the one that's just opened today is a rich cherry dark pink! Now is this a sucker or sport or whatever else you might call it? oh and it has a great perfume too very sweet - I should state I'm in The Yorkshire Dales in England not the US/Canada not sure if that makes any difference.. Thanks for your time
It's most likely a sucker from the rootstock variety on a grafted rose. If I'm right, the shoot should originate below the graft union, and there might still be some real 'Arthur Bell' stems above the graft union. Which variety they've used as rootstock will vary by supplier.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Yes Arthur Bell was blooming this year that's how I knew it was Arthur Bell I recognised it and the perfume was knockout, that's the trouble (or the pleasure!) of an inherited garden you don't know what is going to appear next 'til you've done a year of gardening in it :) Thanks for your advice Jason I will dig down and expose the graft, I think it's going to be a sucker as you say.
@Fraser Valley Rose Farm You were right Jason, it was below the graft I've dug down and pulled it off. Thank you so much Arthur Bell will be happier now 😁
It wouldn't be my choice. Rose de Rescht suckers are fairly thin and flexible (at least for me). I'd be looking for something that throws thicker canes.
Thank you . Btw I had Isaac perierre last year and it thrived in shade, made several 4to 5 ft canes with superb flowers and scent. I didn't prune it at all, but pegged the canes this spring and it's positively heaving with blooms . I got a lot of good ideas watching your videos so many thanks
Thats not what I’ve always heard I’ve heard they are called suckers because they suck up all the nutrients but don’t produce flowers and i don’t recall ever seeing flowers on the suckers just long bare stems they also seem to grow much faster than the normal rose bush
Thanks for the comment. We're talking about two different (but similar) types of suckers. What's you're describing is a rootstock sucker from a grafted rose - genetically different than the scion (the above-ground portion above the graft union). I'm not sure the name has anything to do with sucking up nutrients (although every plant does that too!). The suckers I'm showing in this video are from own-root roses, so they're genetically identical to the mother plant. Some roses sucker profusely (like some rugosa, gallica or other wild species) while many of the modern roses don't sucker much if at all.
you speak really well in regards to roses
Thank you for posting this video about suckers. I learn something new in every video.
This is great info, Jason, thank you. Btw, the first roses I propagated was from the suckers, I mean not the good suckers but from the grafted roses. I didn't know at the time the difference in canes. I was just excited to learn how to root roses. You should've seen my joy that they rooted well. However, when it flowered, the petals were single. I was told that I might've rooted the suckers. Sure enough, they were correct. I still giggle every time I see them roses. I kept them because they were the first roses I rooted. :)
LOL. I still count those in the "win" column!
Great video; thank you! I planted rosa rugosa last year and it has begun sending suckers out. That is fine with me, it has plenty of room to form a thicket in the pasture and I believe it will make a good place for birds to nest. Now I know I can also propagate from the suckers.
'Charles de Mills' is the most beautiful thing...it is its way of propagate its own beauty.
Yes,
I have a question. What is the best time of the year to propagate roses from suckers? Thank you
Spring is probably best, but any time they're in active growth is okay.
1. can we grow new plant from these suckers ?
2. I tried to plant more than fifty plants from the branches but all of them died, can you give me some advice, I am trying to plant my mother's favorite rose plant.
3 I'm truly really waiting for your reply 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺 .
Non stop great content …. Thanks
Hi Jason,
I was trying to figure out the source of a couple of "volunteers" in my own yard that I suspected were coming from the roots. I only grow own root roses, so I was pretty sure they were suckers rather than by seed.
One volunteer, I believe to be a sucker from Iceberg (white). The original bush was very hardy and got too large for the space, so I moved it. It popped up the following autumn and when it bloomed, I figured it must have come from a piece of Iceberg root still left in the ground.
The other one actually popped up on my neighbor's side of the fence, but its bloom and habit looks just like my "Victorian Memory" (AKA Isabelle Skinner.
As far as I know, these are more modern shrubs, further removed from species roses, but nevertheless, I think they both suckered.
Is there a way to bury a boundary that would contain the suckers? How far do the roots go down to sucker? It’s always welcome to see your videos!
Sometimes a natural barrier like a spot between a pathway and a foundation can work - but it depends on how vigorous the plant. A barrier can work, and I suspect 8" (20cm) would be deep enough for most suckering roses.
AWESOME!!!! I was wondering about that …too bad I didn’t see this yesterday before I clipped my last batch of suckers instead of checking to pull their roots
Thank you, excelent video!
Thank you. This gave me the answer I needed.
hi there, thank you for your useful videos, i took hard wood cutting and semi-ripe cuttings from roses at 9/4/2020, the buds were open at 21/4/2020, and new leaflet emerges till now, i wonder if it will die, and in this case do we consider these hardwood cuttings. or dose the weather "in Egypt" effect on growth habits. thank you
Will the plant propagated from suckkers bloom properly
Yes - so long as they're suckers of the own-root rose, and not from the root stock of a grafted rose
Can we use soft wood cuttings from the rose suckers for plant propogation?
I just cut one rose sucker from one my hybrid tea peach colour rose (grafted one 10-12 year old) and took 4 node cuttings and put them in pot for an experiment.
Strangely, some of the varieties that are most likely to sucker are also a little reluctant to root from cuttings. YMMV
Hi, can we utilize the suckers for Bud grafting (taking a bud from a different variety rose plant) ?
You could do it, but because they're strong suckering varieties, you'd constantly be working to keep the rootstock from taking over.
Suckers from grafted roses have value as rootstock to graft onto. The rootstock determines the growth habit of the grafted plant. If you start a grafted rose from cuttings you will get the same flowers as the parent plant but you wont get the same growth habit. To duplicate a grafted rose take a root sucker and start it, then take a cutting from the same plant and graft it onto your rooted sucker.
Again: well explained. Thank you for that! 07.07.24
I just removed 10 from an older well established rose as I'm trying to prune it back, remove sapplings of trees near the base and need this info!
Jason, can I use the suckers from the grafted rose as a rootstock? I mean to root the suckers after taking them out and instead of chucking them away, and graft a desired variety on it later?
Hi Mary. Yes, I've done that with good success.
Thank you so much. I have a rose bred by a neighbour in honour of my dog. It is magnificent but overhanging my neighbour's fence. If I can make a new one then I can place it better.
Nice and thoughtful neighbor!
Hi Jason; i had Mr Lincoln hybrid tea rose. This year it didn't grow back in spring; stayed dormancy until June and grew some suckers ; which i thought they were Mr Lincoln rose ; until it has some tiny little flowers ; i was puzzled at first until i read about the suckers to realize those are suckers came out from the same Lincoln 's root. Now is it my Lincoln rose dead as some article said the suckers can kill the original roses ? I cut all the suckers and now hold out hope the Lincoln will come back from the root.
I think Mr. Lincoln is gone. I'm not sure it's exactly right to say the suckers "killed" your desired rose. The grafted tissue is above the rootstock, and more vulnerable to winter die-back. When the grafted variety died, the suckers sent new shoots, but they'll never revert back to Mr. Lincoln.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thanks for your reply 🥰
Please could you tell me if it's possible to propagate a sucker as a cutting. The reason being that my rose plant grows in a container so I won't be getting from.it as a runner.
Yes. I like the semi-hardwood method best - once the sucker puts on new growth, treat it as any other stem on the rose. Some roses are easier than others. What's the variety?
Hi I have a seven leaf rose plant. It’s not producing any flowers either. Did I make a mistake with the pruning?
Could just be an own-root sucker got the upper-hand. I hope there are still some stems of the intended flowering variety
I would like to do this with a native rose. It’s June now. Can I plant directly in the ground or should I pot it first? Thanks!
I'd try a little each way - so long as there's sufficient water, I think you have a good chance
I have a rose called The Alnwick Rose that is own-root. Last year it suffered from a fungus due to neglect on my part. I thought I would lose it, but it has bounced back great with some tlc, but it also sent out a number of suckers in close range. Is it ok to divide those from the main plant this fall? It looks like it can make two plants. How close is “too close” to take a sucker?
It's a judgement call - but I'd be caution not to damage the main crown - so maybe something like 40cm
I have a "double delight" tree rose that i rescued- it barely leaded out last year and now a sucker. If i propagate this will it just be a double delight shrub or? Or is this sucker no good because maybe double delight is grafted? Thanks from Oregon
The tree rose is grafted near the top. The sucker is from the rootstock, and won't be Double Delight.
If a patented rose suckers or propagates by itself with no human intervention, is it considered breaking the law to sever and keep the sucker in your opinion? I looked at your video on the topic, but nothing was mentioned about when roses do this on their own. It's a pretty cool phenomenon honestly.
The violator is the rose itself - maybe they should try to put handcuffs on it! But seriously, I don't think anyone could blame you for suckering or even division within your yard. It's only those who are actively propagating patented varieties for sale that they're worried about, if at all.
In this video you cut most of the basal stem and leaves off when propagating a new plant. Is it OK to use longer stems (with most leaves removed) instead of the 5 or 6 inches?
I haven't tried with longer - I suppose it could work. I might shade it a bit while rooting to prevent extreme wilt
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thanks for your reply. I have succeeded with longer pieces myself but I thought it was pure luck. Really enjoy your videos, well presented and informative!
I have what appears to be an old Rosa Rugosa Alba shrub which is enormous, healthy and full of blooms once a year in late spring. The original shrub, however, has died and all that remains is a thick ring of suckers that has grown too big for its location. Is it possible to divide and replant a mass of suckers back into the ground rather than the method shown here? If so what preparation for the soil is optimal, and can this be done any time after blooming?
Hi Peter - my experience with suckers is that they're quite easy to dig up and relocate. No special prep needed, but depending on your climate, I might steer clear of the hottest or coldest months of the year.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thanks! I just wanted to hear someone say that. I'm in Wisconsin and have an overgrown hedge of honeysuckle, lilac and this one Rosa Rugosa that's long overdue for rejuvenation. I've had success cutting back an elderberry and know with these flowering shrubs I need to wait until they're done flowering. We have warm summers that have plenty of rain only rarely reach 90. My plan was to make this my summer project, reseeding the adjacent terrace and clearing out the invasives once the shrubs are cut back - meaning I'd be out there most every weekend, watering and watching. In full bloom the hedge is gorgeous, so I want to be careful and do things the right way. Again, thanks!
Hi Jason, I have an Arthur Bell inherited here in this new garden and it's thrown up a new stem I thought was new growth but it's just flowered it has 5 buds on it but the one that's just opened today is a rich cherry dark pink! Now is this a sucker or sport or whatever else you might call it? oh and it has a great perfume too very sweet - I should state I'm in The Yorkshire Dales in England not the US/Canada not sure if that makes any difference.. Thanks for your time
It's most likely a sucker from the rootstock variety on a grafted rose. If I'm right, the shoot should originate below the graft union, and there might still be some real 'Arthur Bell' stems above the graft union. Which variety they've used as rootstock will vary by supplier.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Yes Arthur Bell was blooming this year that's how I knew it was Arthur Bell I recognised it and the perfume was knockout, that's the trouble (or the pleasure!) of an inherited garden you don't know what is going to appear next 'til you've done a year of gardening in it :) Thanks for your advice Jason I will dig down and expose the graft, I think it's going to be a sucker as you say.
@Fraser Valley Rose Farm You were right Jason, it was below the graft I've dug down and pulled it off. Thank you so much Arthur Bell will be happier now 😁
Would rose de resht suckers make adequate canes for diy standard (tree) rose attempts ?
It wouldn't be my choice. Rose de Rescht suckers are fairly thin and flexible (at least for me). I'd be looking for something that throws thicker canes.
Thank you . Btw I had Isaac perierre last year and it thrived in shade, made several 4to 5 ft canes with superb flowers and scent. I didn't prune it at all, but pegged the canes this spring and it's positively heaving with blooms . I got a lot of good ideas watching your videos so many thanks
Thats not what I’ve always heard I’ve heard they are called suckers because they suck up all the nutrients but don’t produce flowers and i don’t recall ever seeing flowers on the suckers just long bare stems they also seem to grow much faster than the normal rose bush
Thanks for the comment. We're talking about two different (but similar) types of suckers. What's you're describing is a rootstock sucker from a grafted rose - genetically different than the scion (the above-ground portion above the graft union). I'm not sure the name has anything to do with sucking up nutrients (although every plant does that too!). The suckers I'm showing in this video are from own-root roses, so they're genetically identical to the mother plant. Some roses sucker profusely (like some rugosa, gallica or other wild species) while many of the modern roses don't sucker much if at all.