New Cane or Sucker. Telling the Difference
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- This episode of Growing Roses With Paul Zimmerman. A Common-Sense Guide To Rose Gardening covers suckers vs new growth. I constantly see questions about a suddenly vigorous canes popping up from a rose. Is it new growth or is a sucker. In this video I give you the tool you need to tell the difference.
You always explain so well. To the point, simple and concise. I appreciate it very much.
I appreciate that!
This has always been confusing. Thank you!
Happy to help!
The only video i understood about suckers. Thanks!
Thank you!
Ahhh. Okay. I understand now. Thank you!
Great
crap, now I regret not exposing my bud union above ground.
It's still always best to bury the bud union. You can simply dig down a bit to figure out if it's a sucker or not.
Interesting. We have two rugosa roses, Hansa and Thérèse Bugnet, which are not grafted and we’ve been saying that they send out suckers so this might not be the correct terminology for us to use.
It is a term used for plants that send out what are also called runners. So you are using the correct term for your Rugosas. But generally with roses it's used to refer to growth from a rootstock.
I just subscribed today after watching your video for the 3rd time. I did some major surgery on Dr. Huey last night- however I'm still puzzled with what remains. The "Prince", easily located at the bud union, but there are also either giant roots or massive suckers. Yes, my neglect contributed to what I'm now stuck with. So, I fed the rose and now I'll wait until I have the courage to deal with it.
I have a Facebook Group called Paul Zimmerman Roses Gardening where you can post photos and questions. Feel free to do so and we can all see if we can help.
Thank you saving me cutting my stocks coming in my Heirloom roses which is not grafted❤️
You are so welcome!
Same. Suddenly I'm very glad I got my roses from Heirloom. Less to worry about!
I have 20 most loved grated rose varieties.I want to create a copy of all of them so that in future i do not have to buy the same variety.
My question is
Are all rose varieties(old & modern) good on their own roots?
If yes ,then i will make ownroot copies otherwise grafted copies.
What would you recommend?
Sir,I am Anup from India and I am a fan of you.
Not all are on their own roots. If you want to be sure I would advise you graft them.
I didnt know I was supposed to bury my bud union. Am I screwed? What should I do?
You'll be fine. it's ideal to bury it but if you live in a climate without a true winter the rose will be fine.
@@Paulzimmermanroses Thank goodness. I live in 8b Florida, so I'd hardly call our winters a true winter. Much appreciated 👍
@@frazercollins9559 I'd just leave it as is. You can always bury future ones.
@@holycrossepiscopalchurchtr8622 thank you!
So simple to understand! Thank you
Glad it helped!
So simple explanation! I'm very grateful 🍀🌹🌿
Glad it was helpful!
Finally someone who can explain this and I get it 😂 Thank you!
Thanks!
Hi
I am from india
How do i tell i got a climber rose or a shrub?
1) do new climber roses have 7leaves only or they can have 5 too?
2) do climber roses have small flowers or can have big ones too?
3) how to tell which colour rose will sprout in case the nursery sent me one without a flower on it?
You can only tell as it grows. Climbers will put out long canes. Leaf count and flower size can be the same on both. No way to know the color of the flower until it opens.
Thx
Wow!
Perfect. I have mostly same root roses now.
Great 👍
Do suckers ever have blossoms? I noticed you said it doesn’t matter how much foliage or leaves it has, but I’ve read some conflicting information saying the long stalk (if it’s a sucker) doesn’t have buds or blossoms and the rest of the rose looks weaker and so wanted to know if it IS possible for suckers to have buds/blossoms EVER. Thanks for your help!
Suckers do indeed have blossoms. They are also roses. In America the most common rootstock is Dr. Huey which will produce a semi-double red flower in spring. It does not repeat.
I have killed many of my canes based on seven leaves method 😞
Sorry to hear that.
Thank you for the concis answer!
You're welcome
I've spent the last couple of months marvelling at my new cane from an otherwise underachieving rose. (I'd put it down to giving it some tender loving care with a blood and bone feed.) It was a 7 leafer, so I had my doubts about the cane. When It got to just over 6 feet in height, with no sign, whatsoever, of a bud, I checked youtube for an opinion and saw this video. After an hour or so of ummming and ahhhring, I gave it the chop. Thanks for the advice. This is a great channel.
Thank you!
Perfect and simple advice!! Thank you so much - very valuable for a new rose grower 🥰🙌🏼🌹
You are so welcome!
Thanks for this! In terms of recognition, this is the BEST description- hands down!
Wow, thanks!
Great video, informative and good quality, thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Hello Paul, What if a cane is coming from behind the bud union not below? Thanks
That could be a sucker. If you have one post a photo to my Facebook Group Paul Zimmerman Roses Gardening and tag me.
Best explanation I’ve found. Thank you
Thanks!
I have what looks like suckers coming up over the far side of the garden soil around a metre and a half or two away from the bush,how do i get rid of them?there growing up on the other side of plants that ar around the roses bush too
That's pretty far away. Do the leaves look like the rose you have or different. If you are on Facebook I have a group called Paul Zimmerman Roses Gardening. Posting photos there would help.
The leaves do look a bit similar,might be a bit bigger, one is actually growing on the other side of a man hole,which happens to be built into flower bed,so it be very hard to trace it back to the rose bush,as the manhole is between the bush and the sucker,possibly impossible,I was watching another video of a guy that pulled those kind of suckers up that were far away from rose bush up,and cut the longer branch part off,and planted it with a little bit of root on it in a pot,to grow rosesIm gonna give that a go,the actual rose bush has not even got buds anymore,nor grows much leaves,I only found out about suckers yesterday,
I'm not on Facebook a the moment but Il keep it in mind,
👍
@@jackiewilliams810 Digging them up and potting them is a good idea. That way you can watch it bloom and see if it's one you want to keep.
@@Paulzimmermanroses Il give it a go,👍🙃🤞
Is it possible for mixed genes to happen on grafted roses or is it possibly a reverted stripe? My grandma neglected pruning her rose bush and it's turned into a Dr. Huey? (Looks very much like it, red old rose climber) with a few white canes (the rose she paid for or weird anomaly?) and some canes look to be a mix of the red and white (smaller pink-pinkish red or white with red blush)
Dr Huey would be a sucker. Roses do occasionally "sport" which is throw blooms of a different color.
@@Paulzimmermanroses it's possibly just a bunch of suckers with a white sport then with dead graft
Thank you, this was very helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you, you make it seem so easy to determine the difference between shooters and new stems on my rosebushes!
Glad to help!
Thank you 🙏
You’re welcome 😊
Fabulous and non-convoluted information!!
Thank you!
Finally! Thank you so much for a clear answer.
Glad it was helpful!
Are suckers a bad thing? Do they aid in building roots for a younger plant?
They suck energy from the rest of the plant. They are not good. Best to get rid of them.
@@Paulzimmermanroses Ahhh, good to know! Thanks
Clear and understandable, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I have some really old roses bushes 30+ year old I think. I can’t even tell where the Bud unions are anymore. Is there another way of telling what’s a sucker?
Then your best way would be to look at foliage and thorn patterns. If they are different from the rest of the plant it's likely a sucker. The problem is, as I mention in the video, if your root stock is Dr Huey that is hard to tell apart. Dr Huey only flowers in the spring so if you aren't sure you can wait till spring. It it flowers differently from the main plant it's a sucker.
@@Paulzimmermanroses thanks for the response. I thought that would be the way. I Never thought about looking at the thorns to see if they are different though.
@@karldias1415 Thorns are very overlooked way to ID and Compare roses. They have distinct shapes and patterns to them. Always worth looking at. Ditto for leaf shape
My rose had red bloches over all the canes and i cut them all back hard.buy a new rose? Or will this one ever bloom again?
@@donnalipari669 you will get new canes. Don’t worry.
When is the best time to cut off suckers or can you do this any time of the season?
You can do this anytime. And should!
@@Paulzimmermanroses Great! Thank you! I enjoy watching your videos and learn something new every time!