How To Get Started With Muzzleloading Black Powder Revolvers
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Capper Nipple wrench powder box .44 .36 .31Remmington 1858 colt 1862 1851 rogers and spencer cap and ball pyrodex Pedersoli Pietta Uberti
That a Midlands, UK accent I detect - ex-Brit 'Brummie' here - been an American a while now - FULLY enjoying the 2nd Amendment here in the USA especially here in Nashville Tenneesee. Great video - having AR's, Pistols like the 1911 - all cartidge - haven't actually got round to black powder but developing an interest - its great you can enjoy them in the UK - bout time you guys had a 2nd equivalent like here in the states!
Unlikely but would be nice
Great video im a beginner and at first it looks complicated and im still learning about these classic guns im looking to purchase me one soon one day
Today I bought my first American made Remington 44 model 1861 made in 1862. Can’t hardly wait to get it in my mail. So much to think and learn about so it will be right. Right powder, bullets and so on.
Thanks
I discovered your channel this evening, Cool! Indeed, black powder is Lovely! I have a Navy 36 and Army 44 both Pietta and a 50 cal. Hawken replica. But perhaps my favorite is my 1829 N. Starr Army issue that was originally flintlock and converted to cap and ball by the military. It is 69 cal. and I restored the smooth bore gun about 10 years ago. It’s fun to shoot and I did have a gunsmith check everything and clean the bore before I fired it. One needs to be careful firing a nearly two century old musket. Thanks Kindly and I have subscribed. Good Shootin and I’ll be watching and checking out your other videos. DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Thanks for the comment, glad you’re enjoying the channel
The gun laws in the UK are extemely strange to me. For instance, pistols are Okay as long as they are 15cm(not sure how long) so they end up with a piece of metal out the butt and a long muzzle. And you are a member of a gunclub. Now say I'm a criminal, whats stopping me from just sawing that off and calling it a day. Would a member of a registered hobby gun club abuse a weapon? I dont get it.
I agree, it’s a bit strange
I wasn’t aware these were legal in the UK. Here in the US I have a license to carry any modern handgun concealed (under strict regulations and only in certain states!), but I still carry a percussion revolver. They still work as well as any modern gun when you successfully manage their idiosyncrasies. Great for ranch and range use.
yes just about the only handgun we are allowed, and even then we need an explosives licence for the black powder. totally agree they are great guns, what model do you carry?
@@IRateGuns Uberti 1851 London and 1860. Much more engaging than modern guns. I never had much fun plinking with 9 mm.
Licenses are on the way for us too unfortunately. Every assembly session a new firearms regulation is proposed at either the state or federal level.
Please explain any situation at all to me, that you would rather have a cap and ball gun rather than a self loading handgun?... it just makes no sense, you can get more than 10 rounds in a compact semi auto handgun nowadays and you can mout rds on them pretty regularly. The 365xl is in a way the perfect carry gun.
@@PyroMite0213 Because I have carried plastic 9 mm’s for years and got sick of them. They all have as much soul as electric screwdrivers. Each of my cap and ball guns have their own personalities. They have unique combinations of powder, cap, and projectile they like, and ones they don’t. To get mine to 99% reliability has been an adventure that taught me gunsmithing, engineering, reloading, and marksmanship all in one hobby. Further, I am intimately connected to every aspect of firing each of my guns and could even manufacture for myself every element of the firearm that makes it function if ammo becomes unobtainable. I can cast the lead balls or bullets, mill the powder from charcoal, saltpeter, and sulphur, make the caps out of pop cans and priming compound, and hand file replacement parts if necessary. While ammo availability has declined, I’ve kept shooting so often that I actually shoot a percussion revolver just as well or BETTER than a subcompact 9 mm. And the pride I’ve earned by making 170 year old technology WORK is much greater than I ever felt lobbing overpriced factory hollowpoints out of a polymer gun at paper. While the person with 15 rounds in their magazine hoards their ammo or goes broke staying proficient at an indoor range, I shoot 200 shots a month in the great outdoors at used soda bottles for cheap and clean up with plain soap, water, and vegetable oil. I also find that percussion guns don’t make nonshooters as nervous, because they look traditional and people who know guns understand the hard work and discipline it takes to make one function and dare to rely on it. It’s the most fun martial art I’ve ever trained and it has made me a better shooter with any type of gun, old or new. I would challenge serious shooters to a simple goal: learn to make an 1851 Navy replica shoot 6 times without a malfunction out to 21 feet with at least 200 foot pounds (271 joules) energy per shot. Figuring out how to do that will only make a good shooter better. And since that’s the gun I shoot best and most often, that’s the one I have on hand when needed.
@Rez Logan whatever works best for you I guess lol, I'll pass tho.
Many thanks for this video! Nice to see one on this subject from our side of the Atlantic. I'm an Englishman living in France. You can buy a Black Powder Revolver straight off the shelf here, all that is required is a peice of ID such as a passport or Drivers License. Howevcer, you do need a 'Category C' License to buy powder or made up paper cartridges. I have a Remington 1858 pattern by Pietta, and am enjoying it so much that I am not going to bother getting the 'Category B' license to obtain more modern firearms. Making up the cartridges, experimenting with different loads of powder etc is all part of the fun you dont get with a more modern 'Point n' Squeeze' firearm.
Thanks for the insight
Do you need French passport or any passport?
@@yannikoloff7659 No, my UK one works fine as ID for club membership and BP gun purchases.
In the days of single shot, flintlocks, this gun must have been a luxury.
Indeed
I'm surprised England lets you guys have these. Keep it on the down low and don't give politicians any ideas lol.
Everyone is really surprised, but we have lots of guns over here.
@@IRateGuns Bad ass
Over here in Northern Ireland we can have almost any hand gun you want provided you have the firearms certificate, however Black Powder is illegal we have to use pyrodex.
lucky. pyrodex isn't that bad, i use it 50% of the time
What's the criteria for a licence tho? Politician's and millionaires?
@@aaronsmith4940 you just have to be a member at a club
Great video thanks a lot. Just getting in to cap and ball looks like a blast. Not sure how many guns I have or have built but seems to me cap and ball might be more rewarding and therapeutic.
"looks like a blast"...uh yeah!
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Those are some quite beautiful revolver! Also, never under-estimate the section 7.3 license!
Wouldn’t a section 7.3 be much more hassle than a section 1?
@@IRateGuns But, the only handgun types permitted by the section 1 license is muzzle-loader, I think.
Correct, these are all muzzleloading revolvers
I make my own black powder I can shoot all day put my rifle away after 1 week 0 rust In the barrel I use the Chinese tallow tree to make my charcoal don't know if that has anything to do with it. When I use pyrodex it will have rust the next day. So all I ever use anymore is my homemade BP
interesting stuff
Maybe I've been watching too much capandball but I'm hooked on black powder now haha Would love to get into it but don't even know where to start!
Hope this video helped
If your lead ball is a tight fit the chances of having a chain fire is very very minimal.
Chainfires can also come in through the nipple so make sure the caps are on their tight as well.
Indeed
That Spencer’s & rogers ❤ where can I get one ?? Any reproductions being made or in the near future that your aware of ? Seems this is about the only one there not reproducing.
best of luck finding one, ive only ever seen two up for sale, both used
I never knew you could own a firearm like this in the UK. I love muzzleloaders and I never thought I could experience one in Britain.
Love blackpowder revolvers. I have an 1851 Navy (in 44 cal), an 1860 Army, and a Colt Walker. But now, I'm looking at getting an 1858 Remington. My Walker is from Uberti, and my other two Colts are both Pietta.
awesome, I'm looking out for a walker myself.
@@IRateGuns I’m a fac holder, do I have to be part of a club to own a BP revolver? also do you have to go to the club certain amount of times a year? Can I take the gun home to clean and store, thanks
Not sure we're you are sounds like England my little girl was born in upper Oxford but anyway here in the USA just walk in and get BP no problem same with ammo I have had probably 25 or more BP revolver everything from Colt to Ruger old army I'm old now and don't have anything anymore but it was lot of fun but may I say go to a safety course learn how to use it I have seen results of chain reaction and people over loading a chamber not using the correct size Ball please get a safety course it's a fun activity. But may I also say My best advice get saved now before it's too late watch Dr Gene kim UC Berkeley youtube or robert breaker youtube get saved now.
Absolute dedication absolute loyalty+++
Saved 😂
You saw my Reddit post about the Rogers and Spencer! That's an incredible gun. I thought you were some kind of gun genie, because I thought "did this guy take a Remington frame, put a Lemat Revolver Cylender in it, and a Colt style loading lever? He must either have an incredibly rare gun or I would have to figure out that voodoo that you do xD
if only i was that good
@@IRateGuns I believe in you buddy! 😂 You're the man, thank you for exposing me to a new gun.
When I was a 17 year old kid.. in Australia a licence cost $2 for 5 years.. any capacity by Guns anywhere that's all that what's your had a licence.. I discovered black powder thanks to my cousin open my mind to the idea.. what a wonderful way of shooting a gun.. especially with round shot with is an art to herself compared to Minneapolis.. I'm thinking about getting back into it I had a44 Calibre Springfield rifles arms Italian reproduction.. good gun percussion cap operators not flintlock Springfield arms.. copy
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cool, I just got to fire my 1858 Uberti Remington (shorty) in 44, for the first time recently, really under estimated how hard it is to seat a ball with the ram while keeping it pointed down range and being safe with it
I've been looking at a short 1858, are they ok to load with the short arm? yes it can be tricky to keep it pointed down range, I've seen a few people using stands while they load.
@@IRateGuns I could not get it loaded more than twice with the short arm, going to get a ball press for it
You could use a metal pipe as an extended lever arm.
@@JacobthePoshPotato actually thinking a piece of hard wood with a hold drilled in the middle so i do not scratch up the finish
@@boozeandbullets2084 or just get a rammer extender pipe for a bit more leverage.
1. Wait three months to obtain revolver. 2. Discover it's flaws and send off for SlixShot nipples. 3. Send off for materials(lamb's lard and bees wax for gun lube). 4. Send off for cappers(your choice). 5. Obtain caps and black powder, Pyrodex or Triple 7. 6. Send off for the balls. 5-6 months later, one can finally fire it.......
About right, worth it though
Does the UK allow the use of paper cart ? Homemade or bought?we make them out of rolling paper,soaked in nitrate. And dried.
its a little grey
Here in the US if you want black powder get on the internet order it and it shows up at your same for modern ammo. Same for black powder muzzle loaders and percussion caps. Our left wing politicians would like to turn the US into Europe when it comes to firearms but they can't because we're all armed. Cheers
I own 2 short barrel 45 colt peacemakers a Dragoon Colt two Navy colts but sadly they're replicas. I didn't know I could actually own the actual firing ones.
Glad you learned something
What is the gun in the middle of your thumbnail. It give a classic and modern look at the same time and i like it. Is it just it has a matt finish insted of being blueed?
its a roger and spencer, you don't see many of them. yes its a matt
But then the ball isnt a ball anymore, wouldn't that reduse stability?!
When is it not a ball anymore?
@@IRateGuns it's got a flat on it at that point, so not completely round
@@aaronsmith4940 well yes, that’s why balls were replaced with bullets
I hear theres a club probation period? How does it work ? Do you train with a club gun for a few months? Or just turn up? It would be great if you did a video to help people from start to finish with these sort of details👍🏻
depends on the club, best ask them
most clubs will require a 6 month probation period that has a minimum number of visits, and you'll often find that your firearms certificate in the UK is dependent on continued membership
Black powder actually isnt corrosive. At best they are hydrophilic help rust guns but it in and of itself is not corrosive.
Hygrophiliic fouling + potassium oxide + sulfides = Rust City.
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Interesting 🤔
Arrrgggg! Don't beat on the mold blocks!!!!!
Just did
Great video! Can't wait to see more!
Glad you liked it
Can you legally defend yourself in the uk?
Technically, they aren't muzzle loaders. The muzzle is the last part that the bullet (projectile) touches before it leaves the barrel.
Fair point
Where do you find those little vials ? I need a few to carry in my pocket. That would be handy for loading
got mine here www.henrykrank.com/muzzle-loading/powder-shot-measuring/powder-phials-phial-kits/pedersoli-abs-cased-pistol-match-set.html
@@IRateGuns ebay, search small vials for powder. I load at range from flask to plastic vial to revolver, but have filled 50 or so befor going to range, a little faster but not much
Look for eppendorf tubes ;-)
Great video. Thanks.
I just bought an Uberti 1851 navy London in .36 and an Uberti 1873 .44 black powder. Would like to find .36 cal black powder pellets but I don’t think they make them.
Thanks
How much does it cost to shoot a 45?
Ie- powder, greased wad, bal and primer?
Thanks 👍
about 20p
Dumb question, but do you need an FAC licence?
yes and an explosives licence as well.
what an awesome video i am about to go and start in the black powder stuff and this has helped me greatly cheers
Glad to help, how did you get on?
that Rogers and Spencer is awesome looking. Dont see them in the states.
dont see them anywhere very often.
Could you do a video on how to apply for the licence to fire black powder as its something I've wanted to do for a few years I've been given permission to shoot at my local range but dont know the procedure from start to finish I.e. at what point do you buy pistol ?. Thanks
ill assume you living in the UK. you first need to have you firearms licence, then apply to you local police using form ER4A. you will need an approved wooden storage box but the licence is free.
Do you have to shoot at a club ? Do you have to keep the gun at the club?
Thanks
@@lgdy5703 shooting at a club is a good way to get "good reason" for an FAC. You don't need to keep them at the range as long as you have a wall safe for the guns and a separate safe for the ammunition. (a lot of gun safes have a built-in ammunition safe.
My word chap. I'd love for you to come to the states and see how we blow smoke rings my 1860 sits in a box felt lined with all the goods in the bottom powder balls caps unlocked on display in my dining room. Be a cold day anyone steps in my place to check my storage
We have very different cultures in relation to guns, but I would love to come over there at some point.
Hi, in UK do you need a special permission for buy the muzzleloader guns or you can buy "free" amd only declare that you have at home?
we need a full licence to buy and keep them
Great video mate, good to hear a British voice
Glad you enjoyed it
Hi mate do they have to be antique black powder muzzle loaders? I’m from the Uk aswell. I’m up in Scotland working with firearms every day, the police up here are just a little more strict on the whole on licensing. Only just really started looking in to this. And a ruger old army .45 caught my eye. Can you have modern pistols?
You can
Do you need to go to the police and get licence for these powder guns??
You need to join a club first
Indeed
Can a44 got on a shotgun ticket
No, firearms
What is the revolver in the picture with the mat finish
that's a Pedrasoli Rogers and spencer
@@IRateGuns
The Rogers and Spenser by pedersoli must be hard to find
Wow. And i was thinking that only Poland is do restrictive.
What are the restrictions over there?
@@IRateGuns well. To own new type not BP guns we need training and license, yet we may buy freely every replika of front loaded BP gun if it is a replica of a weapon created Before 1885. We can just go pick it up pay and go. To buy BP we need to pay for European blackpowder weapon card where we need to have at least one gun typed in. But, there are no restrictions to receive a gift on BP and storing it do if you do not want authorities to know that you have it, you do not need to register. But owning EBpWC is far more convinient than to find someone to "give in present" some BP. Yet we cannot legally posses the new BP guns that are usually more safe than replicas of old guns. That is of course without a special permission like for normal new guns....
Sorry if my english is poor ;-)
@@dandragon1st no, your English is fine. thanks for that I like to know about gun laws in other countries
Excellent video!
I'd like to know about your experience with the Rogers and Spencer. I acquired one years ago and it sometimes misfires. It has been a wonder if the cause is the angled nipples. The flash hole size in the nipples has also been a suspected cause and there may be larger sizes available. Pyrodex RS is the propellant being used, not really recommended, but works well in everything else including Colt and other repros.
Many thanks!
never had a problem with it
I have a 45 caliber revolver but can only find .44 round balls. Can I use those safely? Or how about a jacketed 45 caliber bullet made for no fern guns?
no to both, very bad things will happen. best to cast your own, all the equipment is relatively cheap.
Great video!!!
Thanks
So then you just need a conversion kit and some cartridges and you’re good.
In the uk it’s not that easy
Nice job on the intro
Thanks
@@IRateGuns 1. Wait three months to obtain revolver. 2. Discover it's flaws and send off for SlixShot nipples. 3. Send off for materials(lamb's lard and bees wax for gun lube). 4. Send off for cappers(your choice). 5. Obtain caps and black powder, Pyrodex or Triple 7(Pyrodex is more powerful than black powder. Triple 7 is more powerful than Pyrodex).I do have Pyrodex that is 4 years old, both P and RS(the rifle I reloaded 410 shells with) and it continues to go bang. 6. Send off for the balls. 5-6 months later, one can finally fire it.......
Black powder revolvers are not muzzle loaders.
Ok Ron..... thanks for your input. we can all sleep sounder knowing that.
Sure ain't a breechloader, either.
Stop calling them muzzle loaders. Their not.
Make me
It must be just so comforting to know only criminals carry and shoot guns over there... smdh people need to turn their tvs OFF, maybe they'll one day be able to think for themselves and have their own ideas again.
@William Tell brainwashed much? Turn your TV off its programming you! Your government, its politicians, and the corporations who own them DON'T LOVE YOU! THEY DESPISE YOU!
We have very different cultures