Squeezing a lot of railroading variety into a tricky space
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2020
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This layout design was particularly challenging because the space was so awkward. Not only was there a forest of support columns inhabiting the room, but the floor was not all at the same level, restricting the footprint of the layout. In addition, the customer's want-list vastly exceeded the space available, and multi-decking was not an option.
Follow along as I tackle this interesting challenge. - Розваги
how much do u charge for design service?
Every situation is different. If you are in the market for a custom layout design, please contact me through my web-site and tell me a little about what you are looking for. www.superiormodelrailroads.com
Z scale would solve all. 👍 😉
@@frankhellman6879 The trouble with Z scale is one sneeze and you have to spend the next hour putting the trains back on the track.
Depend on the available space. If you have a 24 square meter studio apartment, making a scale Z layout is probably like making a scale 0 layout for the space in this video (except that you can reach longer into the layout).
@@frankhellman6879 I have trouble working on N's already at 68 years old mate.
As someone with a chronic habit of trying to shoehorn too much layout into too little space, I applaud the job you have done on this plan. Places that should be crowded and busy (like the steel mill) are, but at the same time, other areas of the layout have some very nice scenic possibilities and the potential is there for interesting operation. Very nice plan.
Masterful - you’ve done it again Peter. I can’t wait to see your revised design for my basement 👍👍👍
A nice moderate space until the unexpected kicks in, staircase, posts and differing floor heights. I just love the thought process like no wont fit and then 10 steps later - oh if do this and move that and then the before NO item becomes a can fit item. Great planning as always Peter, cheers ken
As usual you made it work. You sure know how to get the most out of such a bad situation, this one looks to be a real challenge but you came up wit a good plan to work with.....thanks for sharing....Jack 👍👍👍👍
Thank you for this delightful channel! I have binged watched all the layout-plan videos over the weekend. My late father was a huge model railroad enthusiast and loved making plans (so much that he kept perfecting them over the years instead of building his layout). It's lovely to once more hear someone talk about the importance of large radius transition curves, and I've gotten an idea or two for my own little layout.
Glad you are enjoying my channel. Thanks for watching.
I liked the cunning way you incorporated the turntable! That is an option that had not occurred to me. Thank you for the insight.
You've finessed the step problem into a two level asset here Peter. Well done.
Good, I'm glad someone noticed that! I meant to mention it during the narrative, but forgot.
That steel mill area is fantastic!
I have seen many of these that you do and you sure have the knack for it!
Thanks, I have many more in the pipeline as well.
These videos always make my week. Please keep them coming.
I intend to keep doing that... Every Monday night, same time, same place.
I hope that you’ll still be doing layout design in like 10 years! Maybe by then I’ll be in my forever home. Currently active duty military, so not settled anywhere lol
Another excellent layout :)
Very well done as usual..
Great design ideas. Thanks for sharing.
wow brilliant work!
Nice job. Surprising what you were able to turn this into. I would have suggested the customer switch to N scale and join a club to run his big boy!! ;-)
Well done.....
THANK YOU FOR DETAIL VIDEO ON PLAN IN SMALL AREA
Cant wait to see this project get built..
The client has already started building it. Maybe he will share some pictures with us.
I wonder why his didn't let you use the space to the "south" and "west" sides of the room.
I did not see what the scale is (HO, N, other)?
I'm building a layout in a room with 3 doors and a closet. I am working on a couple of lift outs and a module.
Let me start with AWESOME JOB! I love how the plan came together, excellent use of the space. OK, armchair QB moment, more of a "what if" question. What if you extended the end of the backdrop in a curve around the coal mine? The mine side curve interior becomes a cliff face and on the opposite side you drop in a curved turnout for the much needed yard lead?
There's already a yard lead at that end of the yard; it's just a little short. If I extend it, it visually interferes with the mine area. Curving the backdrop only gains a foot or so on the yard lead and the mine tracks end up too short to be useful. Building the mine structure into the curved backdrop is a possibility, with the tracks heading under the backdrop and being hidden in the scenery on the other side, but this leads to other compromises and complications.
Believe me when I say that with every design I spend hours experimenting with different arrangements.
Your idea is a good one. It's something I had already considered but ultimately rejected.
@@mpeterll Thanks! I figured you looked at it but I know it's hard to describe every iteration in a video of reasonable length. I really enjoy your stuff! Keep up the cool work and thanks for sharing.
One of the things that I tell people is that a large part of my job is adjusting and readjusting expectations.
I see that you are only 20 subs away from 10k. Getting really close!!
I already have the 10k special uploaded. I wanted to release it last night but I was still 16 short of the target when I went to bed, so it will have to be next week now.
@@mpeterll I am looking forward to it!!
Human[c]ity Junction i am very impressed with video, I. Have emailed Peter , I need his help
Btw, I'd love to do some 5th wall breaking with the columns, like a figure spraying graffiti on one of them or a mountain climber climbing one.
Good idea!
If it was a logging railroad, then he could have a group of lumberjacks trying to cutting one down with scale-sized chain-saws.
Even with no logging industry that detail would be great! Could be construction workers with hard hats and orange reflective vests, and one of them being the manager holding a large drawing in both his hands while looking confused.
@@christinaeneroth675 If doing that, paint the column concrete grey and have the workers using jack-hammers. Maybe even gouge out a few chips with rusty rebar visible inside.
How much for a design roof space area size 12' x 8' feet ... thanks David
Every situation is different. If you are in the market for a custom layout design, please contact me through my web-site and tell me a little about what you are looking for. www.superiormodelrailroads.com
Do you recommend designing a layout that goes around the walls or one that is free standing in the middle of the room?
I would always recommend going around the walls wherever possible. You will always get significantly more railroad and better use of the room this way. The smaller the layout, the more difference it will make.
To take a common example: Some people are still under the misconception that a 4x8 sheet of plywood is an appropriate size for a model railroad. It is not!! You cannot reach across it so both long sides need to be accessible, meaning that it will completely overwhelm a 10'x11' room. It also has no useful railroad real-estate, is restricted to 18" radius curves, and has a maximum straight of around 4'. If you instead build a 2' wide shelf around the room, there will be a 6'x7' space in the middle of the room, the layout can have broader curves and straights almost twice as long. Lastly, your total layout space and main-line run length are both more than double. All this is a fine trade-off for the constructional complexity of having to cross a doorway.
@@mpeterll thanks for the detailed response!
i have been told a friend of mine is looking for you to design his layout. that is kind of exciting for me, I have seen the work you have been doing, and remember Your layout. and all I can think is.. DAM he is going to have a better layout than mine. lol
this layout you are planning, is looking good.
but the one part that just sticks in my mind is, a big boy and 15" curves.. IS THERE such a loco?
i already know that answer. so ya can see now that you educate as well as design.
I believe most N-scale locomotives will negotiate 15" curves.
Might have been able to do exactly what he wanted if he would have his z scale but that's expensive
How do I get ahold of you to design a layout 24x 10
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when are you going to put your layout back up?
The first section went up a few weeks ago: ua-cam.com/video/-P093HP34fg/v-deo.html
I would love to have my own rail layout but i don't know the first thing about how to start, i'm a complete novice not even having a trains as a child.
I can also do full railroad builds, from design to final details. If you are in the market for a custom build, please contact me through my web-site: www.superiormodelrailroads.com
Oh you can easily platform up that walkway so it’s level.
Yes we could have done it that way, but instead we turned it into an advantage.
Peter what are them columns doing, they don't look very structural to me. I don't think they are all caring weight . P Kinseyg
I'm just working with what I was given. If I were to suggest removing them and he were to have any problems with his home any time in the future, guess who would be getting sued. Besides, without making a trip to inspect the home in person, I have no way of knowing what is above them.
Peter Kinsey those columns look structural to me. If you look at the construction of the foundation at the bottom of the stairs it appears to be a very old home. Also the fact that the floor is two different levels indicates a former crawl space that has been dug out to make the basement larger. At one point those columns may have been 3’ or so tall.
Your customer should consider changing the lower end of the stairwell from straight into a quarter left hand turn. That would significantly diminish the access needed on right hand side of the layout.
Nope, it's not that easy. It would take up a lot more space that way and destroy the layout space completely. Sorry.
Hi Peter , I am very impressed with this layout plan you have created, going to contact you via web site, I could really use your help, also Sparky 107107 is a good friend of mine, thanks
Sparky's a really good guy. Although I've never met him in person, I count him among my friends as well.
Peter I just send you a enquire about track planning , could use your help
if he did z scale or maybe n any larger he would need a larger building or build modular layouts
John Allen - Gorre and Daphetid. Guess you've heard of that???
John who? Gory & what?
Yes, I have the book, read it many times as a teen and spent many hours drooling over the pictures. No I wasn't trying to make the north side of this layout look like French Gulch.
@@mpeterll Looks pretty similar. Not a criticism, a compliment. Harbor upper right. twisting around those columns.
@@Par3pio2 I never took is as a criticism. I wouldn't compare myself to one of the greatest builders of all time, but if someone else does, then that is high praise indeed. Thank-you.
As usual - too many tracks within limited space.
I mentioned that during the video. As usual, I have to design what the customer wants.