24 YEARS LATER - LINE6 POD with modern IRs
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- Опубліковано 3 кві 2024
- 24 years later... do we just REMEMBER the Pod being bad or can it keep up with modern gear?
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I worked as a stagehand for about ten years. I saw more of these than people would probably want to admit in racks and under the stage. They could have been for practice but most of the time the stacks of cabs were all dummies and there would be a little 50-watt tube combo stashed in a box where all the sound was actually coming from. In the hands of pros these sound just fine and no one knew the difference.
Some of the most amazing music was recorded with inexpensive gear and high end gear together so the only rule is, no rules. Great video perhaps you should make more like these.
I used to gig with a Pod 1.0 that I upgraded to 2.0 with an Eprom. That, a floorboard and the original Variax. Built all my own patches. I eventually got such an ear for the Line6 sound that I can still tell when I hear one. I HATE the certain fizzyness that imbues the sound, especially with any gain. I could hear it in your initial sounds. When you changed the IRs, I could only tell on certain IRs. But there were several that sounded great to me. I never considered doing this. What an eye-opener! Thanks for a great video.
That "fizziness" is at 3130 hz
Scoop it out with say fabfilter eq..
Q 6
Gain - 6
There you go.. a much better sounding pod.
I used to use the"Soldano" setting all the time!
I'm still using my line 6 flextone 2 amp, love it, use it for gigging, have done for 20 years
I had all the PODs loved em so much fun to play with all the sounds
It was amazing when I added a Mooer Radar IR loader to the effects loop of my Line 6 Firehawk FX. Like a modern modeler. Also shows how good the preamps were back then.
I just bought a Pod Pro a couple weeks ago and started running it through my Tube Amp Expander’s IRs the other day. The sound is great and helps reduce my screen time. I’m happy I bought the unit when I did prior to this brilliant video’s release
I knew this would work because back in the day if you ran any one of these guys through a power amp into a cab with the cab sims turned off into good speakers it sounded good. The issue has ALWAYS been the cab/mic simulation, which is totally solved by IRs. I actually used to run my Flextone II Plus (same exact modeling as the POD HD/2.0) into a stereo 4x12" with the cab sims turned off and I loved it (didn't love lugging it, but it was kind of worth it). Sure, the models could be a little more dynamic, but damn they get you some good sounds if you know what you're doing. Love your stuff, man!
My ex-bandmate and childhood BF has been one of the biggest jingle writers in Hollywood/New York since the early 2000's, and now does Television scoring...
Still uses a Rack mount POD XT Pro to this day.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I freakin' love you Henning!!😘
POD all versions were always good enough to make hit records in Live Mode. Good video thanks.
It really puts things in perspective. Especially when something new and shiny comes out with more numbers and everyone starts rehashing the same old phrases about how much better it sounds and how last years shiny thing all of a sudden sounds/feels bad. Many UA-cam influencers are insufferable about this(present company excluded).
Anyways I'm going to get back to listening to A perfect Circle, which had all the guitars recorded through POD farm. :)
So this great video teaches us 3 things. Know your gear, listen with your ears not your eyes, sound comes from the fingers, meaning if you play well it sounds well. Danke Henning
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I, too, hate haters! 😅
Hate is actually real and not a joke. In America there’s sports fans that create an imaginary enemy of other cities
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I'm still using Guitar Rig 5 for effects and that piece of software is 13 years old I think. Still gets the job done for a good amount of occasions.
same, big monster preset sounds so good!
I love that "crazy train" preset they have. Good times!
Haven't watched an EP vid in a long time. Good to see that he's sped up the presentation. A lot more watchable than he used to be.
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I just bought pod 2.0 brand new from line 6 last year just for the nostalgia.
Very informative video, I have an old photo of me with the same POD you reviewed handling a Jackson strat style after a gig.
I still have a POD X3 and have tried IRs, these IRs bring a new life. The X3 has a stompbox's tube screamer feature which is good enough for modern chug-chug
Me too! 👍🏼
I previously used a Behringer Vamp2 (red bean clone) with 3rd party IRs and nearly pooped muh pants it sounded so good!
The preamp can be outdated as long as the cabinet is all good IMO.
Fantastic content Henning!
P.S.
Oscar says "bork!"😘
Still using y POD Pro 2.0 with IR's and can get some pretty decent sounds that fit in a mix well...seen many live sets where these are use into a power amp and cab. For the age they have held up well!! cool vid!!!
Cool stuff! A few weeks ago I ran my old Zoom 505 through a BluBOX and was surprised how usable the result was.
I just pulled mine out of the cupboard a few weeks ago and I was pleasantly impressed with it ! 😎
I gigged a POD 2 running into the fx return of various amps cabs....usually a half-stack....for several years and people were constantly blown away with how I was able to get such great tones. I ran is a preamp, without any cab/mic stuff, and to use the delay, reverb, mod effects. I always hated the “modeling” aspect when used direct, so I just took advantage of the variety of tones as a preamp/fx unit with a live amp. Having the floorboard for it was all I needed on the floor to change patches, turn fx on/off, and wah/volume. It was such a simple setup that NEVER gave me any issues.........I kind of miss it. 😢
I spent many years gigging with a Line 6 Flextone II head, which was a POD 2.0 with a stereo 200 watt stereo power amp. I played it though a 2x12 loaded with eminence Texas Heats, always sounded great to me.
Oh no, you've killed GAS!
I still have it, now I want a POD Pro.
I still have my POD Pro worn the Floor Board controller... time to dust it off! 😎🤘
No. He just had Vintage GAS! ( image how that must be 🤢)
I´m still using my Line 6 POD HD Desktop.
I still use that too. It's better than many modern modelers
I still have my original POD and Johnston J-Station. I like their cleans sounds and effects.
Yeah my j-station died many years ago. It def made me sad. I still have my jm250 and 412 cab.
i used to tour with a boss gt-100 and a mooer IR loader in the send/return. Worked like a charm
Amazing experiment Henning! Don't tell the forum people 😂😂😂😂
Brother. That hum is unreal. I don't get anywhere near that much hum with my 2.0 Bean through an 18W Atomic Reactor 112 slave amp. BTW - that tone at 14:00 kicks butt.
I picked up the metal pack from Forward Audio after your guitar recording tips video. I think you were using them for that one. Anyway, I really like how they work with my plugins. The IRs I landed on bring nice top end with punchy bass without the mud (through my monitors) but cleaned up some of the fizz. I've played with the virtual mic placement, and mics, never really landing on a combination that I bonded with. Thanks for sharing them with us! Their website is pretty basic but their product is giving me results I'm happy with 👍
Had a POD XT bean, loved it, sold it only because getting the foot controller locally was quite cumbersome ( the whole musical instrument distribution was not the same back then)
I own a Pod Go and I can't get it to sound as good as this.
I remember when Lance/Mike did something similar with the old pod express go
He got some pretty good sounds
That man was a gem 😢
He was the freaking best!
I own a hx stomp xl and two pod gos (I share them with my band), even today I still pull out my Pod 2.0 to play and I love the sounds. The plexi channel with everything at noon, maybe back off the bass a bit. Sounds great and responds to the volume knob extremely well. It liberates me from tunnel vision of always looking at my footswitches and I just play. Also the onboard effects are fantastic.
I toured w the POD Pro XT for years back in the day. Still have it and the PODX3. Tried to sell them some years back and nobody wanted them. Might have to plug them back in and have a jam for giggles. Honestly one of the cleans was better than what I’m getting currently out of my FM9 but it’s probably option paralysis
Put those tones in a full band mix and nobody would know the difference. Take a cover picture with an expensive boutique amp and $999 Gibson pickups in the background and tone snobs will praise the warmth and beautiful overtones. :)
Henning P helping kill myths without yelling at me (see that Glenn). LOL
Sounds awesome!! I think we tend to put too much emphasis on the gear being played, vs the player playing the instrument, along with the person dialing in the sound.
I tried running my Pod 2.0 (in amp mode) into the original Simplifier. Got some great sounds, after some tweaking.
POD 2.0 was my first modeler. I used the Brit high gain model a lot.
this sounds really good, Im gonna get one
The new POD 2.0 soundz amazing! Are you using gold-tipped cables?
Ich habe gefühlt 200 Jahre lang die Demos von Songs mit dem POD 2.0 aufgenommen. Für mich klingt das immer noch super. Bis ich dann einen richtigen Amp anmache.... 😁
I still have xt Pro in my rack. Still find it useful.
I had a few models on those (and my old Flextone II XL) that actually sounded decent. A lot of it was ass, and didn't take drive pedals well, but some of it was actually useable if you dialed it in right. It was mostly about finding the right gain sound and cab combo (in the flextone I turned the cabs off entirely), then adjusting your effects from there. The delays and reverbs were glorious!
Nice video!! I own the original Bean 2.0 good for practice.
I have a Roland GT-8 and I remember the sounds out of it were amazing! I could sound exactly like Slash … when he was tuning his guitar!
😂
Ich habe das Gerät auch und es ist inkl. dem großen Floorboard quasi noch im Neuzustand. Wir haben damit 2000/2001 unsere Aufnahmen eingespielt und fanden es damals Klasse. 😅 Ich kann mich noch dran erinnern, dass sich der Sound verändert hat, wenn man einen Klinkenadapter in die Headphone Buchse gesteckt hat. Das Ding klang dann irgendwie besser., 🎸😎
If you run a pod into the return loop of a valve amp its excellent.
I've been using both my POD 2.0 and Flextone II XL amp for over 20 years. I don't think Line 6 expected this life span since they both have soldered watch type batteries, I assume to be able to save the presets. I have had both batteries replaced. Wonder if Line 6 still solders batteries in the Helix and other related newer products.
So... I was just looking at my old POD Pro wondering ... should I install it into my studio rack? So timely, you are... my friend! I even have the Floor Board it came with as an optional controller!!! I bought them for $300 back in 2007 ... so... I guess you just made up my mind for me... not to mention this video is giving me serious Lance Vibes (we miss you buddy). ❤ BTW... Don't ever... drop that guitar! 😮 I so love that thing! I'm loving the HP42 Smith, don't get me wrong... but I'm feeling somewhat incomplete without its Whammy Twin! Now I'll have to put that POD into the Friedman IR-X... and see what it sounds like... I have a feeling it won't totally suck! Few digital devices that are almost "vintage" can say that! 😎🤘🎸🐦
I still use my 25 years old POD 1.0 and FlexTone II XL… they both sound great if you spend enough time tweaking them! Used the POD 1.0 with a Tube Screamer for live gigs for years, no one knew!
I love seeing that ENGL Special Edition Founder's Edition in there!
DT50 212 and Pod HD 500 here and a broken spine.
My current setup is a POD X3 Pro through a Mooer Cab X2, which loads separate IRs for the left and right channel. I put two Mesa Cab IRs, one center speaker and one edge of speaker, so the sound guy can blend both as needed. Similar to moving the mic in front of the speaker. Also, the Mooer Cab X2 is in the FX-loop of the Pod X3 Pro, so I can dial it on and off as needed.
Fun video! Thanks HP.
Since Line 6 is continuing to make modelers, do you think that their products have evolved beyond the POD? In other words, is the Helix "different" or "better", or is it just a repackaged POD?
I have an old Zoom 1010 and consider the Pod to be a significant cutting-edge upgrade 😁
Seriously though - the Pod sounds great! Can't understand guitarists looking down their noses at it...
I had bought a Spider IV amp head with the corresponding 4x12 cabinet, in order to be able to play in a band cost-effectively to start with. The sound wasn't good, but through the 4x12 box it was somewhat acceptable. Today I play the big Helix and definitely notice a significant difference. No idea if the "amp" would sound better with modern IRs; however, the sound had always been sufficient for smaller gigs. Nobody complained about a "bad" sound. Except for the musician police, who suspiciously analyzed every piece of equipment with their arms crossed. But in the end, the audience applauded, which is why the know-it-alls sat at the bar in pairs, getting worked up about the bad taste of the masses. I don't want to take this hobby away from them. It's often all they have.
I got the Pod Pro a couple months ago used for 60€ and I was surprised how well it actually sounds considered it’s 24yrs old already.
I’m shocked at how good it sounds compared to its reputation. On its own it’s not utterly fantastic (fine for noodling) but in a mix it wouldn’t be noticeable to a normal person. It seems like it would take a bit more work to get a good tone compared to a modern modeller, but it definitely seems very doable.
Rocking a Behringer V amp 3 here after trying a few modern modellers
I still have my V-amp 2, which I "replaced" with the Valeton GP-100 thinking I just want something newer and with more effects that sounds decent, and frankly in some ways, it was a bit of a downgrade sound-wise. (But on the other hand, I don't have to choose from a few preselected effect combinations and I can also use stomp mode instead of just switching patches, so...)
I know Bjorn Gelotte used a PodXT Pro for his clean sound for a really long time. Haven't kept up with his rig in recent years. I never really dug the crunchy tones of it, but I think it handles cleans and multi effects really well.
Superb as ever, some good sounds, even more than 'only half sh*t!' 😎
Still sounds good
Not too shabby!
Love the hoodie.
i have the pod xt pro in my rack, using a 300 watt rocktron velocity and a diamond amplification 4x12, i also have a digitech tsr 12 in the loop for eq and some detune
I use an old Line 6 Toneport UX 2 as my guitar audio interface with Pod Farm software, sounds amazing.
I used my Line6 Pocket Pod plenty of times live & NOBODY noticed. I went to the “JUMP” settings & turned off all of the effects. Then I turned the volume & all of the knobs up to the maximum. It sounds like a Marshall & I have guitar volume control to drop it & get really decent cleans.
I actually bought one of these around 5 years ago; I was in a band that had ideas about everyone going direct but I didn't want to spend too much in case the band didn't work out (it didn't). While some of the DI sounds weren't great, IRs I'd think, but it can work pretty well as a preamp. I'd been running it into a Crate power block and 2 Marshall1x12 and it sounded fine - I could tell the difference but the audience were none the wiser. Also it was a godsend when lockdown happened as I found myself playing through headphones a lot during that period.
I really think some up to date IRs would make it a great bit of kit (I'm 7 minutes in, so I don't know what your conclusion is yet).
The thing is, there's a BIG difference between hearing someone else play something and playing it yourself. Plugging direct into a desk can sound good on a record. People don't dislike these things because they don't sound good in a mix, they dislike them because they feel horrible to play.
Same with the eleven rack and the behringer V-amp pro
I actually wanted to test this with Guitar Rig4, because that was what I started out with. Now I know that some of those sounds dont sound "great", some of them worked in the context back then and probably would now. But I dont go back to that software because I know that modern IRs can pull out so much more than old cabsims.
But still I wouldn't hate on the songs I wrote just because "the ampsounds sucked" - the tones didn't write the song, and they didn't break it either. I'd argue a great song will carry the idea no matter the tone. Sure there are genres that will suffer more from that, but that's for people with far more technical abilities on the guitar than I will ever have.
Great to see this theory confirmed by you!
I still have my POD XT Live and use it for gigging. Sure, not all sounds are great, but with a bit of patience and tweaking, theres some good sounds in there. I had a gig where I was using the POD emulating a Plexi, and the band after had a real Marshall Tube Half Stack. On site, the sound FELT better from the Marshall, but videos captured for social media had my guitar sounding better.
Thanks Henning for this!
I try the same running my pod x3 through the strymon iridium irs... Sounds not bad but with the ir I had really low volume than using the pod cabs.... Do you know which could be the reason?
no clue, that's weird
People started hating on Line6, because of the later POD XT and the Spider combos especially. I love the POD 2.0 and I like it a lot more than the XT, which I do not like. The XT had this harshness which was difficult to remove. And they should've never released those spiders in my opinion. :D I'd love to see the same type of video about the XT and maybe it proves my memory wrong?
I got a POD 2.0 years later for cheap, but I still keep it, because it's cool! :)
I went to one of the rare Shadow Gallery concert and saw Gary Wehrkamp playing the whole gig thru the Pod 2 kidney. If it's Wehrkamp playing thru a potato, it will sound good and you won't care. Arjen Lucassen (Ayreon) recorded Human Equation on the newer version of Pod Pro... This was a killer tool back in the day (as was the Behringer V-Amp Pro clone). And NOBODY would be able to tell the diff between this and Kemper in a mix. Or a blind test.
The software was key, you could also change the cabinets with a 2 button press during the power on, they really should have made all the functions available on the front. The use of presence really made a difference in the mud tone.
Hail the POD! 🤘🔥
Nice video. I would say that modern modeling has def gotten better, but not as much as we might think. It's like 20% better than 2000, and a big part of that improvement is the development of more dynamic/reactive speaker filtering. Just as a speaker/cab, in the analog world, has a significant weight in determening how an amp sounds, so does it have an major significance on the quality of a digital signal chain. Also, those emissions on the rack POD are def not coffee stains. I think you may have gotten a wee bit excited upon striking your first boomer bend playing through it, lol 😁
LOVE Your Line 6, Henning....Take it to dinner, and then a nice dancing club and then take it home for a "night-cap".
Grab your guitar. Plug it in, You know you want to... plug it in. Feel the good vibes tingling in your body.
LOVE Your Line 6 :) The world needs more L - O - V - E.
Tried this many years ago.. Yes.. It can work! :D
I liked the lower gain sounds without the IRs. As soon as you got to the Brit channel that wasn't the case! The IRs made a difference, but not an amazing one -- those IRs sound very nasal. I did a similar thing with a Pod HD and Ownhammer/Redwirez IRs and got better sounds than stock cabs for sure.
I performed with a HD500x and an IR loader, sounded awesome.
How do you connected it to the pod , in the effects loops? Thanks
@cybersixx output to a Mooer Radar.
The presets (a,b,c,d) where meant to be:
A was clean, B was crunch, C was rythem and D was Lead.
All had the exact same blocks, but each preset was simple On or Off on certaind pedals.
Clean amp, meaning OD was a pedal, sounded great and saved on DSP.
No cab block, meaning the Mooer Radar IR loader had to be last in the chain (so I output into it).
i still have a pod xt kidney still kicking around. havent touched it in years. used it right up till about 8 or 9 years ago. But i have an fm3 now so....
I'm still using a POD X3 Live for my bass rig. The dual amp thing it does is amazing for bass, the effects are decent and I got it for dirt cheap.
The Pod with the modern IRs sounds great.
The dual amp is also amazing for guitar 😅
@@Gueli Not a guitar player so I haven't tried that. But I love it for bass. One clean amp and one amp with drive is so much fun.
I did a lot of studio work with the Pod Rack and XT Rack. Today the recordings still sound great. I miss pre modeling. On a recording or live for that matter it just matters that it is dialed in. No one in the audience knows what amp model you are using so who cares. Just make it sound great.
Some of the best players I have played with and or met have used some of the cheapest, “worst”, low end gear. You do the best with what you got.
Inspiration is the name of the game. We have too many options. I get a kick out of all the guitarists that try to flex with their chinese gear. Who cares, write something I want to listen to. I don’t care that you have 6 EVH 50 watt heads. Get the gear you want to use every day. Whether a Harley Benton or a Mayones.l or whatever makes you want to use it everyday.
I think a lot of the issue with the OG Pod was people would run it into the front end of their amp, cab sim and all. Of course it sounded like shit.
The POD is the sound of old-school guitar youtube to me (~2006 to 2010 or so). I must have watched so many videos of "Canon Rock" recorded with Ibanez RG -> POD (Marshall or Mesa simulation) that it's just a familiar and nostalgic tone at this point.
Doesn't Marshall Harrison use one of this? I can't remember. Some years ago, I used my Zoom 606 on my tube amp clean channel. Man... that things sound really nice! It's just, something is broken there and the thing goes off on certain patch =S that's why I didn't sell it. But when it works, it's really fun! I wonder why that one was dynamic but the next version wasn't...
I have one of these still in the box
It's not bad at all. You'd get away with it live or on an album for sure
First off: Like any of this matters while listening on my crappy laptop speakers....
I still use Amplitube 3 at times because they made the StompIO abandonware after that version
I just recently purchased the Old Spider Valve MKII HD100 amd the HD147 300 watt head and along with the FBV footboard and a midi controller and an ABY switch I have more tones than I coukd imagine and all in less than 500 dollars for just the heads.
This sounds quite good. And it proofs my point that it´s sometimes better to just use a modeller as a hobby guitarist. They all sound fantastic, even the Kemper, which is also more than decade old without any hardware improvements and wasn´t even intended to be used as a standalone. That´s also the point why the effects weren´t as good in the beginning. They were just an addon. The thing that improves the most in the last few years is the "feeling under the hands" which isn´t that important to players that play a lot in studios or in big productions. And i can´t explain what it is, but the newer units sometimes just get it right. Loved the Torpedo, love the UA stuff, now love my Boss GT1000. But it only works because i never tried to emulate a specific amp which is not what the GT1000 is good at. I just build my own sound. And the feeling is now there which has led me to just use a modeller and for fun connecting it to my Fender FR-10 at home.
I was so used to play with the pod 2.0 that everything else seemed to me crap, without enough bass and gain for chugga. I used mostly the soldano x33? preamp model, similar to the rectified but more alive to me. Its funny to think you have to learn what a good tone is. then I had a vetta 2 and it was difficult time because with the matching cab it was bad. then I had the oporunity to try some tube amps and some were also bad with a wrong cab like a Krank rev1, valveking..with horrible matching cabinets. but then finally I experienced normal good head-cab combinations and it was like ..oh wow ok, this is the real thing.
long way..years of crap to experience the thing some players had the luck to have almost the first time playing.
Pod was spectacular for the time, the only thing is the lack of high end and the extra bass because of the IR cabinets of the time. but some amps are still spectacular like the black panel , the badcat emu, the bayou model was so crisp that my crappy emg seemed single coils, something never replicated again.
Put the Engl Cabloader in the send return of the Pod and use the Cabloader with the Pod cab Line 6 4x12
IR‘s are the secret sauce fir every modeler. I only use third party IR‘s with the Kemper. A different world. Also a cheap nux mg 30 sounds cool with good IR‘s. Coll vid Henning, only the guitar is not my cup of tea because of the pickups. I would like to hear the sounds with an ibanez jem or a piano or an rg or a jp6. I think that would be very nice. Maybe use Carstens old yellow jem 😉😉
Hi Henning, maybe its a good idea to teach what is good sound, and how to get it. Im willing to pay for lessons.
The Pod has always sounded great-people say it doesn’t because the internet has told them to