For those of us who has watched the SLS program since it's conception, it's always been basically a jobs program, not a serious program. Scrap the program and take that money and invest it into private contractors.
The annual budget for India's space program is about the cost of one SLS/Orion launch, and look what they've been able to accomplish! But the blame goes to congress, they're the ones who tell NASA what to do.
The military uses inflight refueling to allow aircraft to takeoff with full weapons payload and then filling it with fuel to complete the mission to a far greater range than possible because of the maximum takeoff weight limitation. The Air Force has been doing this for more than seventy years with the B-52 bomber and the KC-135 tanker aircraft for more than seventy years, proving the viability and usefulness of this concept.
They've been touring and actively supporting Commercial Development allowing the SLS Program to deteriorate to nothing. So, now, pretty much, the only true most popular company is Space X. The safest, most cost effective and professionally super managed. The whole program has been honed to a safe, powerful, reusable launch and recovery systems for both automa nous and live crewed delivery of everything required for LEO, HEO, and Interplanetary travel.
Clif High pointed out to us, there is a relevant difference between mission oriented goals vs for profit oriented goals. Often the difference expresses itself counter productively. Often it’s a benefit while other times it’s crippling. 👍🖖😊
SLS made every decision they could to cut costs and accelerate schedule, Shuttle Engines, Shuttle SRBs extended by a segment or two, A Shuttle Fuel Tank with a second stage on top and engines on the bottom. Then they went INSANELY over budget and beyond schedule with the usual B.S> optics management and "failure is not an option". It's the single most disgraceful boondoggle in the history of Aerospace and that's saying something. Over $4.1B per launch despite the design reuse and borrowing Shuttle engines from old stock. The entire executive management team should be prosecuted. The entire industry needs a major attitude readjustment but they're incapable of it even with signposts and a map from SpaceX, it's amazing to see how incompetent some groups of people can be,
You would think that would be the case. However, those decisions were not made to save money. They were made to gain the political backing they needed in congress in order for NASA to secure the budget they needed to build the SLS. This is why they used forty year old engine technology (the RS-25) from the space shuttle. This is also why they used the same SRB technology from the shuttle aera (with some modifications such as adding a fifth segment). This is why assembly and testing of the SLS is spread across the country. It is inefficient and expensive, but it allows politicians to claim they brought the jobs to their state. NASA is as much an employment agency these days as a research organization. Lori Garver, the former deputy administrator of NASA wrote a great book about this.
@@aaronwarner4987 The problem with this excuse is that eliminating the R&D costs of building a new engine and using engines already built doesn't result in additional expense relative to building a new engine. It doesn't excuse $4.1B per launch and 10 year delays. Yea the lack of vertical integration and unified accountability is a huge deal. It still takes spectacular malfeasance to get to $4.1B per launch. I wouldn't trust any of them to manage a lemonade stand. They're the reason Space Launch went nowhere in half a century. Even when they had a working vehicle they never improved it without congressionally / NASA funded cost+ boondoggle.
@@aaronwarner4987 P.S. even now ULA's big plan at some future time is to parachute back a couple of engines. Engines that cost 7x what SpaceX engines cost. They could hover a 1st stage anywhere in the ocean on some suitable launch just by leaving a few dreggs in the 1st stage tanks. They just can't envision doing that with their org. Even as they stare the onrushing train. It is astonishing to watch their moribund myopia. They have done IMMENSE damage to America. Damage we can't even comprehend but are beginning to glimpse by seeing what is actually possible through the execution by others.
@@dorbie I believe we are in agreement that the costs are ridiculous. A report from the NASA office of the inspector general found that efforts to refurbish RS-25 engines, manufacture new ones, and produce solid rocket boosters for the initial Artemis missions have resulted in about $6 billion in cost increases and more than six years in schedule delays compared to NASA's original projections. NASA paid Aerojet Rocketdyne $125 million each just to refurbish the old SR-25 engines. New engines are costing $100 million each. What this means is that a new engine design could have been designed for far less than they have spent using the old ones. That being said, this is NASA so they probably would have spent $10 billion designing new engines. I would also agree with you on the lemonade stand. :)
@@aaronwarner4987 Yea you might hope you could have had new engines for less, but not with these folks. Although Rocketdyne's AR-1 is $25M. Really makes you question them sticking with RS-25 + Hydrogen. The real embarrassment with these slippages now though is you have BE-4 for
It's downright frightening that NASA allows those solid rocket motors and segments inside the VAB not to mentions with personnel in close proximity. One spark or lightening strike or other unintended ignition source would destroy the VAB not to mention those aforementioned personnel. Solution, scrap the SRB's and replace with liquid boosters which have a number of very important advantages over solids. Follow the money.
I see more Space Shuttle technology than the Saturn 5. I think the lunar lander is going to be something like Starship. The blueprints are still there but the companies and skilled employees are gone.
SLS has always been a jobs program, or welfare for aerospace companies. It has also been a political football for so-called politicians who have approved and cancelled a number of versions of this programming for decades.
Don't worry. NASA will spare no taxpayer expense to make this stupid idea work. It's always important to remember that no one on the team is being misgendered, which is the real mark of technological progress.
SLS has exceeded all expectations. It is the best jobs program for house districts that make the parts. Those jobs would have been lost after the shuttle program ended. but using old out dated technology prevented that
Wonder where StarShip would be indeed SpaceX without NASA contracts? Starship a waste of money for Luna landing, Dynetics would be the better inital option. @alphatech4966
@@boatymcboatface666 Also, Tesla has a profit margin only from gov't grants and rebates to the public for buying electric cars. Who pays for the gov't grants and rebates? Elon Musk rides the government money train. I think he wants to be an engineer on the gov't. money train. Woooo wooo wooo!
When something is the most costly item ever built, but fails as many times in a row as how this program and all of it's pieces and parts do, maybe nature herself is trying to tell you something? SLS = "SINGLE" Launch Scenario. PERIOD! A space program designed to produce as many jobs possible, cost more than starting up a war, and now it's seriously redefining the terms "Delay" and "Over-run". Throughout this performance, never shall it be said that this blivit was beneficial towards any manor of human progression, unless one is researching for the most ingenious way to achieve nothing, all the while costing more, wasting time, and mucking up the works for other USEFUL, AFFORDABLE, and PRODUCTIVE projects that actually DO HAVE positively reflective results by actually Doing Something Intended. Honestly, from the beginning of this monster.? Yeah, it's time they put our money, time, and their effort into something else other than trying to prove Elon at his own damn game by re-creating the same ancient, stupid, failed crap time after time, after time. . . A Single Use Booster, costing in the multiples of a completely reusable Starship STACK, taking YEARS longer to build and Decades longer to repair, and even it's own damn Tower isn't capable enough to deal with it ether!! ? No. Oh Hell NO!! Absolutely NOT! That path went off a cliff since before the first constructional contract was printed! NASA = Not Always Space Approved, Not A Sentient Astronaut, Not A Stable Aircraft, Not Always a Serious Answer . . .whatever. (The first word of NASA's acronym will always be "NOT", OK? You'll catch on soon if not already there.) SLS IS Obsolete, pre-dating it's self back to before the Shuttle. SLS is only an expanded Redstone sort of blivit. (A NASA SLS comparison: Ford just came out with it's Brand New and Improved, "1962 FALCON" for 2025!! (Not true, but that's how NASA went about this damn project. Intentional failure points and designed in over-runs at ever level with substandard Chinese material. . . What could Possibly go wrong??)) Intentional waste and failure from the very beginning, never expecting the SLS to EVER reach it's BASE Level operational status... Just more "NEEDEDFUL Repairs" forever! Their only progress is in how many Permanent Jobs they can hold onto. Stop beating that horse. It's DEAD Already! And Stop Building things designed only to be constantly repaired! Fine Point Note: The Ultimate Loosers Battle Cry: "But We've ALWAYS done it that way!", has always been a self acclaimed death sentence. One must WORK in order to return to the moon. Sitting on your ass and wishing it would happen, never does.
You guys really need to work on the grammar, the spelling and the message in your headliners here. I see it every other video. Today the video headlines something about a "Starhip". Your still doing great work here. Keep it up!
I understand why you would consider that, but remember that at the time we DID go to the moon, the country was in tight competition with Russia to get there. The full resources of the most powerful nation in the world was behind it. Today NASA is funded like a reality TV show it feels like. They will receive funding, but how much and when is subject to change and full cancelation is always hanging over their head. General lack of interest in science and NASA from the public and government has lead to rise of SpaceX etc. I'm not defending the SLS project at all, but lets not start editing history books just yet.
I'd consider it expensive training to keep rocket and space tech alive thru the dark ages of post shuttle disaster era. I think we are in a Paradigm shift now, Caused by that Elon guy, and that although there will be major disruption, that the future is very bright for the industry... My guess is Elon joining up with the Trump Monster will juice the Space business... Trump likes Military stuff, and Space is the ultimate high ground and ultimate tech. And also the best possible business venture. Translation: gonna need even more Rocket Enginerds than ever before, And tradesmen in mega quantities. Just Space Force, if seriously gotten rolling, would need a budget bigger than all the other forces combined, to get even close to necessary potential. The good news is the Javier Milei example. That the worst fat is in offices... And as I have suggested Elon is in the AI business, and Bureaucracy replacement therapy would be exceedingly beneficial. I suspect things could be chaotic around the Election, a Seldon Crisis for sure, but good things likely to follow for us Space enthusiasts. Theres no better way to fix an economy than growth, and no better growth area than Space. its a twofer! Now would be a good time to start looking forward... Start thinking creatively about more in the way of Space projects than Robotic probes, getting a woman on the moon, and more telescopes to look at pin points of light. We need serious infrastructure. And to get there we need resolve. We also need endless concepts and ideas, myriad designs, and alot of guys getting tuned up for the jobs required. Its why I suggest things like the orbital Milspec Truck... To get past the tube rocket and plunge re-entry model with something practical that can be fabricated and powered by Raptor 3 level tech. We really need to start getting into the longitudinal gore style fabrication, so we can get stealth aircraft like designs. get some practicality. Get the Space version of C-130's and have it be an upgrade, not just another tube with wings cobbled on. Why be Primatives about space hull designs? Why not get thousands of guys working on computers with triangles, hexes, 12 sided structures? Guys who maybe experiment with shoe box type cardboard and super glue, and figure out what you can do with curved hard chines... And once they get the fundamentals, start designing on computer graphics actual real things we are gonna need. With an eye towards practicality. I see too much focus on looking fancy with the capsules, Vanity designs, fancy shapes, elegant interiors... And yet, we have one stuck on the ISS for want of a more practical engineering creed.... Better Spartan and functional, with dissimilar redundency, and less dependence on micro processors. The Space industry really does need some Milspec creativity parameters. Get away from decadence... things arent gonna be the Hilton in Space any time soon. Anyway, best vote like Space depends on it, because it does. Back Elon's buddy.... The only Space we'll get from Kamala will be between lucid thoughts... Just sayin'
Nasa just went to the moon and back, Elon will never leave Low Earth Orbit, you are just being to sold to produce rockets. He has nothing to launch to the moon, mars or anywhere.
This suggestion would make the most sense Boing ULA and NASA have no plans to look into the future for space flight and no modern idea on how to get to the moon or mars.
@@pattoft6356 shows how much you know, they actually are developing hardware for the moon. 10 million companies already have all the rockets 🚀/taxis the people circulating the moon and developing the hardware is where it’s at. Go back to 10 more years of engine iterations 😂!
Well I think if Elon Musk could be the next director of NASA he could get things done and do it at a fraction of what has been done. I know wouldn't take the job due to all the other things he has to on a daily basis. But it would be cool as to what he could come up with it would just blow everyone minds for sure.
Just need better leadership and get the politics out. That's the problem. To much corporate lawyers involved. Let Elon do the engineering and then bid the job out.
I wouldn't bet that they reach the moon before 2030 They need a) orbit b) 10 mission for refilling c) fly to the moon d) orbit the moon e) descent f) land (and not tip over) g) estart h) reorbit They blow up one prototype at every stage.
@@benjaminmeusburger4254 Bingo, Low Earth Orbit Elon isn't going anywhere anytime soon or maybe forever. At least nasa just went to the moon. Elon has nothing to launch anywhere, he thinks if he makes a bunch of taxis, hardware will magically appear?
Alpha Click acts like the SLS has never flown!!!😂 It ALREADY completed its first mission to the moon and back, completely successfully!! Farthest flight from earth in human-rated flight history! 100% successful on its first flight!! Starship, after more than 10 years, has BARELY made it into Low Earth Orbit!!! Proven technology is now a BAD THING??? 🤡🤡
It was not 100% successful. For example they have problems with the heat shield. The speed from lunar orbit is faster than from LEO. The heat shield took a beating and they need to fix it. There are other things too which did not get tested fully because they kept delaying the launch which affected negatively the time spent in space So NOT fully tested technology. It will be FULLY tested when actual astronauts are inside and make the same trip Orion did unmanned. Aka Artemis 2.
Nope, you’re wrong. Every projects cost is available. The only projects with the costs not available are top secret military projects - hence, not funded through NASA. This applies to EVERY contractor. Nice try at disparaging SpaceX but you are wrong that somehow, someway, SpaceX is getting preferential treatment.
Low Earth Orbit Elon has the same problem, they all have always had this problem. They always make rockets to no where and then a bigger rocket to no where.
🤣😂 10 years and counting!! Starship hasn’t left Low Earth Orbit!!! At least SLS has completed a COMPLETE, and fully successful trip to the moon AND BACK!! 🤡🤡
And it is based upon the actual rocket that sent men to the moon 6 times. -Did the N-1 with 30 engines even reach orbit? -How do we know the Starship won't someday have the same problem with one of the super-heavy boosters with 33 engines? Re-usable rockets to the moon need a lot of more research, it is better that for now, we stick to using rockets with less engines and based on the Saturn-V.
🤣😂 10 years and counting!! Starship hasn’t left Low Earth Orbit!!! At least SLS has completed a COMPLETE, and fully successful trip to the moon AND BACK!! 🤡🤡
I dint understand how people keep defending the frankensteins monster of 40 year old tech put together with hopes dreams and a shattered budget that is sls
SLS: New Engines Developed: None New Solid Rocket Booster: None New Propellant Tanks Technologies: None Project Duration: 14 years Project Cost: $20 billion Compare this with SpaceX.
@@flipz8632 nasa just circled the moon 🌙, Elon will never never do anything close to this. I see all your believing that he’s magically going to have products to install on the moon or somewhere but it’s never going to happen. The facts remain, nasa just circled the moon and blue origin will manufacture and carry packages to the moon and beyond.
For those of us who has watched the SLS program since it's conception, it's always been basically a jobs program, not a serious program. Scrap the program and take that money and invest it into private contractors.
Honestly this looks like Government Sanctioned Grift, and nothing else.
Just cancel this thing, it’s costing too much money 💰. Old technology from the shuttle days. 👎👎👎
@@stephensfarms7165 would you fly on a Boeing 737-max with cargo door coming loose at 30,000 feet ?
@@samm928
No I would not.
I don’t fly anymore period.
Just for the MONEY 💰!!!!
for money and power
@@billmcwilliams6805 I can't even afford an e-bike
Just imagine if they gave Elon all that money to develop spaceships.
As long as he didn't apply that money to his politics.
@@Tommi-C they already did .. it's all taxpayers money ..
@@Tommi-C we'd be on Titan by now.
The annual budget for India's space program is about the cost of one SLS/Orion launch, and look what they've been able to accomplish! But the blame goes to congress, they're the ones who tell NASA what to do.
The military uses inflight refueling to allow aircraft to takeoff with full weapons payload and then filling it with fuel to complete the mission to a far greater range than possible because of the maximum takeoff weight limitation. The Air Force has been doing this for more than seventy years with the B-52 bomber and the KC-135 tanker aircraft for more than seventy years, proving the viability and usefulness of this concept.
They're still using that orange foam crap that took out the Columbia??
New Glen is not an option either, constant delays and not easily turned around for subsequent launches.
They've been touring and actively supporting Commercial Development allowing the SLS Program to deteriorate to nothing. So, now, pretty much, the only true most popular company is Space X. The safest, most cost effective and professionally super managed. The whole program has been honed to a safe, powerful, reusable launch and recovery systems for both automa nous and live crewed delivery of everything required for LEO, HEO, and Interplanetary travel.
SLS = slow launching system
Great! You gave me a very interesting suggestion.
Unions, pocket money, huge bonuses, 20 dollars for a donut and coffee, vendor price gouging............zero oversight
SINGLE USE SH!T SHOULD BE LIMITED TO PICNIC SUPPLIES!!
New Glen might not be available for a while, a long while.
Clif High pointed out to us, there is a relevant difference between mission oriented goals vs for profit oriented goals. Often the difference expresses itself counter productively. Often it’s a benefit while other times it’s crippling. 👍🖖😊
SLS made every decision they could to cut costs and accelerate schedule, Shuttle Engines, Shuttle SRBs extended by a segment or two, A Shuttle Fuel Tank with a second stage on top and engines on the bottom. Then they went INSANELY over budget and beyond schedule with the usual B.S> optics management and "failure is not an option". It's the single most disgraceful boondoggle in the history of Aerospace and that's saying something. Over $4.1B per launch despite the design reuse and borrowing Shuttle engines from old stock. The entire executive management team should be prosecuted. The entire industry needs a major attitude readjustment but they're incapable of it even with signposts and a map from SpaceX, it's amazing to see how incompetent some groups of people can be,
You would think that would be the case. However, those decisions were not made to save money. They were made to gain the political backing they needed in congress in order for NASA to secure the budget they needed to build the SLS. This is why they used forty year old engine technology (the RS-25) from the space shuttle. This is also why they used the same SRB technology from the shuttle aera (with some modifications such as adding a fifth segment). This is why assembly and testing of the SLS is spread across the country. It is inefficient and expensive, but it allows politicians to claim they brought the jobs to their state. NASA is as much an employment agency these days as a research organization. Lori Garver, the former deputy administrator of NASA wrote a great book about this.
@@aaronwarner4987 The problem with this excuse is that eliminating the R&D costs of building a new engine and using engines already built doesn't result in additional expense relative to building a new engine. It doesn't excuse $4.1B per launch and 10 year delays. Yea the lack of vertical integration and unified accountability is a huge deal. It still takes spectacular malfeasance to get to $4.1B per launch. I wouldn't trust any of them to manage a lemonade stand. They're the reason Space Launch went nowhere in half a century. Even when they had a working vehicle they never improved it without congressionally / NASA funded cost+ boondoggle.
@@aaronwarner4987 P.S. even now ULA's big plan at some future time is to parachute back a couple of engines. Engines that cost 7x what SpaceX engines cost. They could hover a 1st stage anywhere in the ocean on some suitable launch just by leaving a few dreggs in the 1st stage tanks. They just can't envision doing that with their org. Even as they stare the onrushing train. It is astonishing to watch their moribund myopia. They have done IMMENSE damage to America. Damage we can't even comprehend but are beginning to glimpse by seeing what is actually possible through the execution by others.
@@dorbie I believe we are in agreement that the costs are ridiculous. A report from the NASA office of the inspector general found that efforts to refurbish RS-25 engines, manufacture new ones, and produce solid rocket boosters for the initial Artemis missions have resulted in about $6 billion in cost increases and more than six years in schedule delays compared to NASA's original projections. NASA paid Aerojet Rocketdyne $125 million each just to refurbish the old SR-25 engines. New engines are costing $100 million each. What this means is that a new engine design could have been designed for far less than they have spent using the old ones. That being said, this is NASA so they probably would have spent $10 billion designing new engines. I would also agree with you on the lemonade stand. :)
@@aaronwarner4987 Yea you might hope you could have had new engines for less, but not with these folks. Although Rocketdyne's AR-1 is $25M. Really makes you question them sticking with RS-25 + Hydrogen. The real embarrassment with these slippages now though is you have BE-4 for
Cancel the sls! Old technology and way to expensive. JUNK IT!
I totally understand where you’re coming from! It’s definitely time for an upgrade if the technology feels outdated and costly.
@@alphatech4966 I agree with you, but it does put a lot of reliance on Space X, and you know what problem I have with that.
I've always said, if there is to be a permanent human presence in space, it'll be because someone figured out how to make a buck off it.
Excessive costs and reduced capabilities. I'd there a better way to hinder the exploration of space?
What does this say about the government?
It's downright frightening that NASA allows those solid rocket motors and segments inside the VAB not to mentions with personnel in close proximity. One spark or lightening strike or other unintended ignition source would destroy the VAB not to mention those aforementioned personnel. Solution, scrap the SRB's and replace with liquid boosters which have a number of very important advantages over solids. Follow the money.
Good Video again. 👍
Thank you so much! Have a good day!
All government programs eventually become job programs.
The rocket is pointy, should be fine
sls only copy of apollo 18 ( where is lunar lander ? ) ( where is technology to go to the moon ? )
I see more Space Shuttle technology than the Saturn 5.
I think the lunar lander is going to be something like Starship.
The blueprints are still there but the companies and skilled employees are gone.
I was really disappointed to see a lego set for this. I was like..... why?
SLS has always been a jobs program, or welfare for aerospace companies. It has also been a political football for so-called politicians who have approved and cancelled a number of versions of this programming for decades.
Don't worry. NASA will spare no taxpayer expense to make this stupid idea work. It's always important to remember that no one on the team is being misgendered, which is the real mark of technological progress.
Just stop with the SLS nonsense
Follow the money now .
NASA is very successful at what it does...waste money.
Put the blame on congress, they're the ones who tell NASA what to do.
Yep SLS has Boeing parts,,,Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Maybe they should stick a Starliner on top of the SLS ..now that will be a huge pile of expensive shit.
branded but fake
SLS was great to fly in Kerbal Space Program and it is the only place it flies.
Will be capable of LEO refueling? Yrs away!
Why do I have to pay taxes on incompetent NASA's CEOs
the new DEI NASA put harris on a rocket
NASA's SLS is a top priority and must be continued at all costs, the crews are expendable.
Is it possible to use , while building New technology space travel system?😮
Since we've already seen SLS fly I guess there's not much left for Boeing to put its curse on.
SLS has exceeded all expectations. It is the best jobs program for house districts that make the parts. Those jobs would have been lost after the shuttle program ended. but using old out dated technology prevented that
a loop is both boring and expensive
Wonder where StarShip would be indeed SpaceX without NASA contracts? Starship a waste of money for Luna landing, Dynetics would be the better inital option. @alphatech4966
@@boatymcboatface666 Also, Tesla has a profit margin only from gov't grants and rebates to the public for buying electric cars. Who pays for the gov't grants and rebates? Elon Musk rides the government money train. I think he wants to be an engineer on the gov't. money train. Woooo wooo wooo!
When something is the most costly item ever built, but fails as many times in a row as how this program and all of it's pieces and parts do, maybe nature herself is trying to tell you something? SLS = "SINGLE" Launch Scenario. PERIOD! A space program designed to produce as many jobs possible, cost more than starting up a war, and now it's seriously redefining the terms "Delay" and "Over-run". Throughout this performance, never shall it be said that this blivit was beneficial towards any manor of human progression, unless one is researching for the most ingenious way to achieve nothing, all the while costing more, wasting time, and mucking up the works for other USEFUL, AFFORDABLE, and PRODUCTIVE projects that actually DO HAVE positively reflective results by actually Doing Something Intended.
Honestly, from the beginning of this monster.? Yeah, it's time they put our money, time, and their effort into something else other than trying to prove Elon at his own damn game by re-creating the same ancient, stupid, failed crap time after time, after time. . . A Single Use Booster, costing in the multiples of a completely reusable Starship STACK, taking YEARS longer to build and Decades longer to repair, and even it's own damn Tower isn't capable enough to deal with it ether!! ? No. Oh Hell NO!! Absolutely NOT! That path went off a cliff since before the first constructional contract was printed! NASA = Not Always Space Approved, Not A Sentient Astronaut, Not A Stable Aircraft, Not Always a Serious Answer . . .whatever. (The first word of NASA's acronym will always be "NOT", OK? You'll catch on soon if not already there.)
SLS IS Obsolete, pre-dating it's self back to before the Shuttle. SLS is only an expanded Redstone sort of blivit. (A NASA SLS comparison: Ford just came out with it's Brand New and Improved, "1962 FALCON" for 2025!! (Not true, but that's how NASA went about this damn project. Intentional failure points and designed in over-runs at ever level with substandard Chinese material. . . What could Possibly go wrong??)) Intentional waste and failure from the very beginning, never expecting the SLS to EVER reach it's BASE Level operational status... Just more "NEEDEDFUL Repairs" forever! Their only progress is in how many Permanent Jobs they can hold onto.
Stop beating that horse. It's DEAD Already! And Stop Building things designed only to be constantly repaired!
Fine Point Note: The Ultimate Loosers Battle Cry: "But We've ALWAYS done it that way!", has always been a self acclaimed death sentence.
One must WORK in order to return to the moon. Sitting on your ass and wishing it would happen, never does.
Massive government support for Boeing isn't that against the rules of commercial competition?
SLS ..money pit ...to late, over budget , not reuseable, 100x more in cost than space x....ridiculous....
Not to mention it actually works...
What a waste of cash when you have musks rockets at a fraction of the cost.
You guys really need to work on the grammar, the spelling and the message in your headliners here. I see it every other video. Today the video headlines something about a "Starhip". Your still doing great work here. Keep it up!
I used to believe we had been to the moon, starting to second guess that now....
I understand why you would consider that, but remember that at the time we DID go to the moon, the country was in tight competition with Russia to get there. The full resources of the most powerful nation in the world was behind it. Today NASA is funded like a reality TV show it feels like. They will receive funding, but how much and when is subject to change and full cancelation is always hanging over their head. General lack of interest in science and NASA from the public and government has lead to rise of SpaceX etc. I'm not defending the SLS project at all, but lets not start editing history books just yet.
SLS would have been way cooler back in 2011. Its now Obsolete
We're not going to the moon in this decade
SLS is not as bad a joke as New Glenn.
And Starship so far.
@@jsmariani4180 Starship has had many more flights then SLS and New Glenn combined and is doing great! Every flight is going better, so far...
Perhaps Super Heavy can carry the Orion crew capsule to the moon
and Boeing and NASA fat cats laugh all the way to the bank 😅
Can Orion be launched on another rocket
Title say's (Starhip), can you correct please. thanks.
I'd consider it expensive training to keep rocket and space tech alive thru the dark ages of post shuttle disaster era.
I think we are in a Paradigm shift now, Caused by that Elon guy, and that although there will be major disruption, that the future is very bright for the industry...
My guess is Elon joining up with the Trump Monster will juice the Space business...
Trump likes Military stuff, and Space is the ultimate high ground and ultimate tech.
And also the best possible business venture.
Translation: gonna need even more Rocket Enginerds than ever before, And tradesmen in mega quantities.
Just Space Force, if seriously gotten rolling, would need a budget bigger than all the other forces combined, to get even close to necessary potential.
The good news is the Javier Milei example.
That the worst fat is in offices...
And as I have suggested Elon is in the AI business, and Bureaucracy replacement therapy would be exceedingly beneficial.
I suspect things could be chaotic around the Election, a Seldon Crisis for sure, but good things likely to follow for us Space enthusiasts.
Theres no better way to fix an economy than growth, and no better growth area than Space.
its a twofer!
Now would be a good time to start looking forward... Start thinking creatively about more in the way of Space projects than Robotic probes, getting a woman on the moon, and more telescopes to look at pin points of light.
We need serious infrastructure. And to get there we need resolve. We also need endless concepts and ideas, myriad designs, and alot of guys getting tuned up for the jobs required.
Its why I suggest things like the orbital Milspec Truck... To get past the tube rocket and plunge re-entry model with something practical that can be fabricated and powered by Raptor 3 level tech.
We really need to start getting into the longitudinal gore style fabrication, so we can get stealth aircraft like designs. get some practicality. Get the Space version of C-130's and have it be an upgrade, not just another tube with wings cobbled on.
Why be Primatives about space hull designs?
Why not get thousands of guys working on computers with triangles, hexes, 12 sided structures?
Guys who maybe experiment with shoe box type cardboard and super glue, and figure out what you can do with curved hard chines... And once they get the fundamentals, start designing on computer graphics actual real things we are gonna need. With an eye towards practicality.
I see too much focus on looking fancy with the capsules, Vanity designs, fancy shapes, elegant interiors...
And yet, we have one stuck on the ISS for want of a more practical engineering creed....
Better Spartan and functional, with dissimilar redundency, and less dependence on micro processors.
The Space industry really does need some Milspec creativity parameters.
Get away from decadence... things arent gonna be the Hilton in Space any time soon.
Anyway, best vote like Space depends on it, because it does. Back Elon's buddy....
The only Space we'll get from Kamala will be between lucid thoughts...
Just sayin'
Maybe SpaceX should think of going their own way, and NASA could come along if they want to.
Nasa just went to the moon and back, Elon will never leave Low Earth Orbit, you are just being to sold to produce rockets. He has nothing to launch to the moon, mars or anywhere.
This suggestion would make the most sense Boing ULA and NASA have no plans to look into the future for space flight and no modern idea on how to get to the moon or mars.
@@pattoft6356 shows how much you know, they actually are developing hardware for the moon. 10 million companies already have all the rockets 🚀/taxis the people circulating the moon and developing the hardware is where it’s at. Go back to 10 more years of engine iterations 😂!
SLS will have no other customers other than NASA
I believe NASA is the client and SLS is the product of various contractors.
Well I think if Elon Musk could be the next director of NASA he could get things done and do it at a fraction of what has been done. I know wouldn't take the job due to all the other things he has to on a daily basis. But it would be cool as to what he could come up with it would just blow everyone minds for sure.
I prefer Musk in SpaceX, and Nasa closure.
SLS may not be the best way to get back to the moon
Just keep saying the same thing for 2 weeks
money funneling, just keep allowing it folks
congress, nasa and boeing. sls never had a chance,
Just need better leadership and get the politics out. That's the problem. To much corporate lawyers involved. Let Elon do the engineering and then bid the job out.
I wouldn't bet that they reach the moon before 2030
They need a) orbit b) 10 mission for refilling c) fly to the moon d) orbit the moon e) descent f) land (and not tip over) g) estart h) reorbit
They blow up one prototype at every stage.
@@benjaminmeusburger4254 Bingo, Low Earth Orbit Elon isn't going anywhere anytime soon or maybe forever. At least nasa just went to the moon. Elon has nothing to launch anywhere, he thinks if he makes a bunch of taxis, hardware will magically appear?
SMH!!!
Scrap it
Repetitive information. You can do better.
Alpha Click acts like the SLS has never flown!!!😂
It ALREADY completed its first mission to the moon and back, completely successfully!! Farthest flight from earth in human-rated flight history! 100% successful on its first flight!!
Starship, after more than 10 years, has BARELY made it into Low Earth Orbit!!!
Proven technology is now a BAD THING???
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It was not 100% successful. For example they have problems with the heat shield. The speed from lunar orbit is faster than from LEO. The heat shield took a beating and they need to fix it. There are other things too which did not get tested fully because they kept delaying the launch which affected negatively the time spent in space
So NOT fully tested technology. It will be FULLY tested when actual astronauts are inside and make the same trip Orion did unmanned. Aka Artemis 2.
SLS is expensive garbage.
NASA won't tell you how much tax payer money they fork over to SpaceX
Nope, you’re wrong. Every projects cost is available. The only projects with the costs not available are top secret military projects - hence, not funded through NASA. This applies to EVERY contractor. Nice try at disparaging SpaceX but you are wrong that somehow, someway, SpaceX is getting preferential treatment.
yes ! you are wrong
@@alphatech4966 go ahead SpaceX .. save our astronauts .. here are a bunch of billions ..
@@alphatech4966 you think Elon is going to do it for free out of the goodness of his heart ?… Please
@@alphatech4966 Kathyrn Lueders former NASA, now is the so called queen of space .. General director
NOT STUCK!
Oh it's STUCK
@@michaelpodolak6815haha! That's right!
What do you think it is?
If it look's like poop and it smells like poop it's poop, its stuck/broke/never finished /dont work/money pit / etc etc etc.
As reported, it is waiting final verification of being safe. I believe that.
Low Earth Orbit Elon has the same problem, they all have always had this problem. They always make rockets to no where and then a bigger rocket to no where.
Saturn 5, Am I a joke to you?
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10 years and counting!! Starship hasn’t left Low Earth Orbit!!!
At least SLS has completed a COMPLETE, and fully successful trip to the moon AND BACK!!
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Starship hasn't even made it to low Earth orbit, even with _zero_ payload.
Everyone knows there's going to be delay after delay after delay and will not make these date.
Jeffy from blue origin bankrupt ULA
Yeah, a real joke, considering it's actually put a flight around the Moon,no 8/12 refueling flights needed. So again, how is it a joke?
And it is based upon the actual rocket that sent men to the moon 6 times.
-Did the N-1 with 30 engines even reach orbit?
-How do we know the Starship won't someday have the same problem with one of the super-heavy boosters with 33 engines?
Re-usable rockets to the moon need a lot of more research, it is better that for now, we stick to using rockets with less engines and based on the Saturn-V.
1 fligth 2 years ago. Space X has done 3 launches in the past 7 days and recovred the 1st stage sections. SX has had 79 lauches this year alone.
@@Hotspur37 Falcons can't go to the moon.
So sad that some UA-camr's fall for everything Elon says, hook, line, and sinker.
Haha, you're ignoring Gwynne Shotwell and the over 10,000 other employees of SpaceX. It ain't all about Elon.
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10 years and counting!! Starship hasn’t left Low Earth Orbit!!!
At least SLS has completed a COMPLETE, and fully successful trip to the moon AND BACK!!
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Bingo, sell all that Space X stuff you want but the facts are Elon is forever stuck in low earth orbit.
I dint understand how people keep defending the frankensteins monster of 40 year old tech put together with hopes dreams and a shattered budget that is sls
Oh nvm youre a bot
SLS:
New Engines Developed: None
New Solid Rocket Booster: None
New Propellant Tanks Technologies: None
Project Duration: 14 years
Project Cost: $20 billion
Compare this with SpaceX.
@@flipz8632 nasa just circled the moon 🌙, Elon will never never do anything close to this. I see all your believing that he’s magically going to have products to install on the moon or somewhere but it’s never going to happen. The facts remain, nasa just circled the moon and blue origin will manufacture and carry packages to the moon and beyond.