Since there are pieces that bolt to hold the inner race,THAT is the hub,albeit a large one.A wheel cannot be hubless or it would roll away on its own.it APPEARS hubless.I'm not saying it doesn't look cool as hell,I'm just saying the inner race,and the system that clamps it is in effect,a hub,it is just so large you don't notice it..You don't need sopkes to make it an axle hub.One piece spun aluminum wheels have no spokes,but still have a central hub.In this case the inner race is used as a hub.
You really think you're watching him put it together, it's a TV show, they set up the lights and camera's and tell him to put some screws in some holes, they film him for a couple minutes, then they say cut, turn off the camera and he takes it back apart.
It is NOT HUBLESS.The HUB happens to be hollow and about 18" diameter,but no matter HOW you look at it,the inner bearing race holder is a HUB,just with a big ass hole as stated by others.The old 3-speed bicycle hubs were hollow for the shift rod,guess they were hubless too,just with a smaller hole.It just APPEARS hubless because the inner race is exaggerated out of proportion.The inner pieces in the video that bolt to the inside of the wheel are bolting to the wheels very short AXLE/bearing race
I recall a cycle world article written by the fantastic Kevin Cameron on Billy Lanes shop, "Choppers Inc." its bikes, and in particular the hubless chopper. Billy took inspiration from helicopter propeller shaft bearing set ups amd materials and using his engineering education and creativity adapted them to his bike. It was ridable, reliable and durable. A watershed design in the chopperworld wasteland of the time.
It IS a hubless wheel... A "HUB" is a bearing setup that has an axle going through it.. this has a bearing on both side of the wheel that bolts to it.... there is no axle therefore it is "hubless" Noun The central part of a wheel, rotating on or with the axle, and from which the spokes radiate.
Yes, the people on earth know a hub as a bearing setup but what about aliens, I do hope they are so far advanced they'll have so much to teach us. Yep, I know most will say, aliens, they've likely done this so long ago, just a thought.
By having the bearings close to the outside diameter of the wheel, they are spinning furiously at road speed. They travel several feet compared to having them close to the center of the wheel where they would travel inches at the same speed. These expensive bearings would have to be constantly bathed in very low friction lube to last even a short time. They would also need dirt and water protection they don't seem to have closer to the pavement. Having to change a $10k bearing every 500 miles verses 200k miles makes this a trailer queen to shows. Mag Lev wheels would be the only thing to make this configuration practical. Call me in 100 years.
My math is probably terrible, but that large of a wheel is turning 800 or 900 RPM, MAX, at highway speeds. Such a massive bearing has probably 5-6x the number of individual balls per row that a conventional hub bearing would have, meaning more bearings at any given time handling the radial load, and is going to be exponentially better at distributing lateral load since it's placed so far near the circumference of the tire. That all seems like it would be well within the abilities of such a large industrial cartridge bearing; if anything I'd expect it to last tens of thousands of miles unless continuously ridden in dry, dusty or sandy conditions with no maintenance.
Looks amazing, however this isn't hubless, the commentator said it best, it's a giant sprocket. Essentially it's a big ass hub. If it were truly hubless it would be levitating. Looks sick though, kudos to this mad builder genius!
@IgorGiganskiANtiatom It was the way he hit it. When you fit a bearing into a housing, by all means use a hammer, but be sure to hit only the outer bearing race - the part that touches the housing. If you just blindly whack the whole assembly, like he did, you will hit the inner race as well and the shock will make the balls leave small pits in the races. The result is a ruined bearing - did you hear it chattering when he spun it? I think he used an already bad bearing for the demonstration.
There is no hub here. The hub is the centre portion of the wheel to which an axle is attached. It is also where spokes are attached at the center of the wheel, if spokes are being used. (Hence "hub and spoke",) You're thinking of a hub cap on a car and assuming that whole area is the hub. The hub cap is actually meant to cover that centre portion that's attached to an axle. The rest of a hub cap is purely for decoration.
That was before he greased the bearings. I know, when I heard it I thought, whoa, it ain't supposed to sound like that. Then I realized he hadn't greased them.
@BikeTrial1995 No because if you kno from bicycles and motorcycles, you HUB is the center of the wheel were the spokes atach and the axle goes through it has no hub or axle either
@ChristinaBellyDancer i believe that the italian engineer and guru Franco Sbarro did it before the french and they took from his design....Franco did some way cool shit...the steering alone on his bikes using a hubless wheel was very good....also he used a different drive. I think elctro magnets ??? he felt that the idea was ahead of materials and machine ability at his time back when he did it.......
Does this have an advantage or purpose beyond the cool factor...or is this like spinners was to wheels just a few years ago. What is the practicality of this beyond bling? Just curious if there is an advantage with torque,speed or whatever?
10k bearing and hes hitting it witha deadblow hammer from Harbor Freight!!! hahahaha, awesome design. people like you are the future of mechanical design. we need more labor based people in this country, not all lawyers and computer geeks
Please show me the advanced Mechanical Engineering equation you derived to ensure every bolt was the correct thickness and made of the proper material to withstand the forces required to keep the sum of the forces at zero......ill wait!
I used to know some one who could look at the pre-assembled wheel and give you a correct equation for the work, my Dad, he had a doctorate in physics, invented a lot of stuff for the oil field, he was an petroleum engineer, I wish he was around as I'd show him the pics. He passed years ago.
I think you're onto something. I've been riding for most of my life and always wondered about a wheel and hub set up like this. I think it's about as Trick as you can get. At 10 large nobodys gonna be able to afford one unless they're an oil Sheik or a drug dealer
*good drug dealer and you forgot to mention a high tier lawyer, doctor, broker, accountant..entrepreneur..etc lol . On a side note pretty much every drug dealer I've ever met has mainly been poor as fuck, and the ones that aren't usually have a good run for a few years before ultimately getting busted with pretty much all the money they've ever saved up, (which often includes all their dealing profits) seized by the cops.
it makes me think of the real early 20th century drives,I applaude your engineering, but other than flash its seems impractical and understanbly its a lotta dough.
@@jalloor man Ive gone to college for engineering, became a computer and software engineer, and got married since I wrote this comment. Ive learned what interpolation is in the last 10 years. But uh.. thanks?
The logic of the bearing being destroyed depends on the function of the bearing itself. We can be sure that he used a high load, high speed rated bearing for this application.
since this IS your design I thought I'd type out the youtube clip of my flat out favorite all time motorcycle. the coolest bike I've ever seen. sorry I haven't seen one of yours 1st. here it is : Hubless Chopper, (The Hubless Monster) A Wicked Bike Without Rims that Rides!! - copy paste into the search.
@the26thhour "custom-bike builder Billy Lane holds an Associate of Science degree in Mechanical Engineering from Florida State University and a Bachelor of Science degree in Mechanical Engineering from Florida International University."
if you go thru all the cost and trouble to do the "hubless" wheel, it's kind of a FAIL to then do a chain drive, use a friction drive, makes it even cooler.
I know this isn’t efficient yet, but it’s a step to the future. The next goal is to figure out how can we make it fly (hover), without the need of a strong magnetic field.
I saw him ask a question you have this huge ass piece of material that sticks out on the left-hand side of the tire how in the hell do you even turn. I mean when I ride my BMW I scrub that tire all the way out to the edge I’m gonna take and grind that chain into the asphalt. What a stupid design
Indeed. This style of wheel has no advantage, it has only downsides to it. Sometimes it's neat to make something different, but don't go pretending you've advanced anything. 100% of what is done here is nothing new, only applied in a way that is normally not done. This is key, "because it is worse than other methods".
how do you get power to the rear wheel if its hubless thats the question i cant get my hands on. ppl say there is a chain on the outer rim but that doesnt make any sense...
Comparing this kind of wheel and the standard type with spokes and hub, looks like the standard is more revolutionary than hubless. Simple, less maintenance, cheaper bearing, movable parts fully covered from dust, water, etc. Is more efficient.
Lived right by your shop in Melbourne, Good ole Billy, prolly one of if not thee best builder's out there!!
Billy lane! What a builder. Love his stuff.
This is Billy Lane! I knew it!
Since there are pieces that bolt to hold the inner race,THAT is the hub,albeit a large one.A wheel cannot be hubless or it would roll away on its own.it APPEARS hubless.I'm not saying it doesn't look cool as hell,I'm just saying the inner race,and the system that clamps it is in effect,a hub,it is just so large you don't notice it..You don't need sopkes to make it an axle hub.One piece spun aluminum wheels have no spokes,but still have a central hub.In this case the inner race is used as a hub.
10k$ bearing eh?.....”appearance “ of hubless maybe but I’ll bet Billy had never seen an excavator swing bearing.
Exactly!
I was thinking final drive myself
Seeing as how they’re one offs for him price goes up.
No loc-tite? No torque wrench?
YOU ride it!
Loctite and torque wrenches are not required by real engineers. No engine built before WW2 used them.
You really think you're watching him put it together, it's a TV show, they set up the lights and camera's and tell him to put some screws in some holes, they film him for a couple minutes, then they say cut, turn off the camera and he takes it back apart.
@@arburo1 wow...yep you are definitely an engineer.
The TRUE inventor of the Hubless Wheel: Franco Sbarro. He did it in the '70's
Do a Wikipedia search for Hubless Wheel...
The hubless wheel was invented in Switzerland by Franko Sbarro in the 80's. Its good to see it in use.
But why?!?
That’s not common knowledge. You googled it...
Why? Just to sound smart? 🙄
Ghost in the Shell made in reality! That looks tight!!!
It is NOT HUBLESS.The HUB happens to be hollow and about 18" diameter,but no matter HOW you look at it,the inner bearing race holder is a HUB,just with a big ass hole as stated by others.The old 3-speed bicycle hubs were hollow for the shift rod,guess they were hubless too,just with a smaller hole.It just APPEARS hubless because the inner race is exaggerated out of proportion.The inner pieces in the video that bolt to the inside of the wheel are bolting to the wheels very short AXLE/bearing race
I bet you're the life of the party?
@@Chopper650 sometimes
I recall a cycle world article written by the fantastic Kevin Cameron on Billy Lanes shop, "Choppers Inc." its bikes, and in particular the hubless chopper. Billy took inspiration from helicopter propeller shaft bearing set ups amd materials and using his engineering education and creativity adapted them to his bike. It was ridable, reliable and durable. A watershed design in the chopperworld wasteland of the time.
It IS a hubless wheel... A "HUB" is a bearing setup that has an axle going through it.. this has a bearing on both side of the wheel that bolts to it.... there is no axle therefore it is "hubless"
Noun
The central part of a wheel, rotating on or with the axle, and from which the spokes radiate.
Yes, the people on earth know a hub as a bearing setup but what about aliens, I do hope they are so far advanced they'll have so much to teach us. Yep, I know most will say, aliens, they've likely done this so long ago, just a thought.
I really wanna see you making a left turn on that thing.
I came here for ideas on how to make my Tron Light-cycle for a Halloween costume. lol
By having the bearings close to the outside diameter of the wheel, they are spinning furiously at road speed. They travel several feet compared to having them close to the center of the wheel where they would travel inches at the same speed. These expensive bearings would have to be constantly bathed in very low friction lube to last even a short time. They would also need dirt and water protection they don't seem to have closer to the pavement. Having to change a $10k bearing every 500 miles verses 200k miles makes this a trailer queen to shows.
Mag Lev wheels would be the only thing to make this configuration practical. Call me in 100 years.
Exactly, finally someone who gets it, and not just looking at the "cool" factor. ;)
My math is probably terrible, but that large of a wheel is turning 800 or 900 RPM, MAX, at highway speeds. Such a massive bearing has probably 5-6x the number of individual balls per row that a conventional hub bearing would have, meaning more bearings at any given time handling the radial load, and is going to be exponentially better at distributing lateral load since it's placed so far near the circumference of the tire. That all seems like it would be well within the abilities of such a large industrial cartridge bearing; if anything I'd expect it to last tens of thousands of miles unless continuously ridden in dry, dusty or sandy conditions with no maintenance.
would it not be better to have the bearings on both sides
@BikeTrial1995 the hub is the part in the middle on most wheels that the spokes connect to and where the axle fits through
awesome!!! never heard in real life could imagine NOISY??? but very cool and id drive one of those myself!
"you had to like, make an equation to like, interpolate it" I am sure he did the math himself
Well he does have an engineering degree.
The two points for hubless wheels that I can think of are style and reducing air resistance by a tiny bit.
Looks amazing, however this isn't hubless, the commentator said it best, it's a giant sprocket. Essentially it's a big ass hub. If it were truly hubless it would be levitating. Looks sick though, kudos to this mad builder genius!
@BikeTrial1995 Regular hubs have a center point where the axle is mounted. These wheels have no axle.
@IgorGiganskiANtiatom It was the way he hit it. When you fit a bearing into a housing, by all means use a hammer, but be sure to hit only the outer bearing race - the part that touches the housing. If you just blindly whack the whole assembly, like he did, you will hit the inner race as well and the shock will make the balls leave small pits in the races. The result is a ruined bearing - did you hear it chattering when he spun it?
I think he used an already bad bearing for the demonstration.
There is no hub here. The hub is the centre portion of the wheel to which an axle is attached. It is also where spokes are attached at the center of the wheel, if spokes are being used. (Hence "hub and spoke",)
You're thinking of a hub cap on a car and assuming that whole area is the hub. The hub cap is actually meant to cover that centre portion that's attached to an axle. The rest of a hub cap is purely for decoration.
lol. So glad we have UA-cam now.
Abang demak bring me here
Klw nak buat kat mr1 boleh ker ni erk?
Well, skrg aq nak main scrambler
Okay so is there any real practical advantage to a hubless wheel or is it all just about the cool factor?
That was before he greased the bearings. I know, when I heard it I thought, whoa, it ain't supposed to sound like that. Then I realized he hadn't greased them.
@MarsFKA Rubber covered hammer! Tell me an alternative way to put bearing inside things, please...
Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking... where's the grease? Probably did behind the scenes to keep it clean?
Is there a suspension for hubless wheel travel, back or front?
@BikeTrial1995 No because if you kno from bicycles and motorcycles, you HUB is the center of the wheel were the spokes atach and the axle goes through it has no hub or axle either
Looks sweet. Just curious what would happen if you lean the bike over
Amazing...I believe ill still use my wired wheel though...
@zrili if you gear it up from the gear box to the jack shaft you could make it have the same top speed as a normal set up
Creative engineering is perfection
Pretty cool idea. Have you ever considered using a pinch roller on the rear tire where you have the jack shaft?
That's awesome. I thought of this samething when I was 17 but I couldn't figure out how to make it.
andre1dre i am literally doing that right now for a school project...
@ChristinaBellyDancer
i believe that the italian engineer and guru Franco Sbarro did it before the french and they took from his design....Franco did some way cool shit...the steering alone on his bikes using a hubless wheel was very good....also he used a different drive. I think elctro magnets ??? he felt that the idea was ahead of materials and machine ability at his time back when he did it.......
10 years ago? What The Fuck! 😭😂
We just had this in Malaysia this year 😅
Does this have an advantage or purpose beyond the cool factor...or is this like spinners was to wheels just a few years ago. What is the practicality of this beyond bling? Just curious if there is an advantage with torque,speed or whatever?
10k bearing and hes hitting it witha deadblow hammer from Harbor Freight!!! hahahaha, awesome design. people like you are the future of mechanical design. we need more labor based people in this country, not all lawyers and computer geeks
Please show me the advanced Mechanical Engineering equation you derived to ensure every bolt was the correct thickness and made of the proper material to withstand the forces required to keep the sum of the forces at zero......ill wait!
well someone's ego got hurt... i'll pour the salt :)
I used to know some one who could look at the pre-assembled wheel and give you a correct equation for the work, my Dad, he had a doctorate in physics, invented a lot of stuff for the oil field, he was an petroleum engineer, I wish he was around as I'd show him the pics. He passed years ago.
He has done pretty good math in them, Also to avoid getting copied.
It’s like a double skate bearing (bones) That’s fucking brilliant!
e interesant ceea ce ati facut si frumos.
Nice job. It's good or I mean great to be a innovator and putting your ideas to paper then reality. Keep on doing what your doing
That's wicked bro!
@DlbDareDevil his design isnt the same as those and is effective in its own right, so that means people can still try to copy his particular design
What is keeping the wheel actually attached though? I assume pressure fit with the bearings+center
A Crazy thing about billy is that when he is fabricating body work he uses no rulers or tape measures LOL. Definatly a Bad Ass guy!
Im curious about the gyroscopic effect issues on a sportbike. Wich is essential for cornering and for stability.?
@speedblazer94 Just different gears, or increase the output sprocket size of the jack shaft.
I think you're onto something. I've been riding for most of my life and always wondered about a wheel and hub set up like this. I think it's about as Trick as you can get. At 10 large nobodys gonna be able to afford one unless they're an oil Sheik or a drug dealer
*good drug dealer and you forgot to mention a high tier lawyer, doctor, broker, accountant..entrepreneur..etc lol .
On a side note pretty much every drug dealer I've ever met has mainly been poor as fuck, and the ones that aren't usually have a good run for a few years before ultimately getting busted with pretty much all the money they've ever saved up, (which often includes all their dealing profits) seized by the cops.
Hubless wheel LOOKS FUCKING RIDICULOUS
it makes me think of the real early 20th century drives,I applaude your engineering, but other than flash its seems impractical and understanbly its a lotta dough.
I really love the way this looks but the suspension must be a fail. No bumps or holes in the road and i guess your ok!
Just found out he's in prison, that sucks!! What a great bike builder!! just 5 more years....
the purpose of this is to be unique and nothing else cause its expensive, impractical and not reliable or safe in the long run.
They said the same thing to the Wright brothers.
no shit sherlock, looking cool outweighs every aspect of "practicality"
did he just say inter-pa-late it? As in interpret?
Interpolate
@@jalloor man Ive gone to college for engineering, became a computer and software engineer, and got married since I wrote this comment.
Ive learned what interpolation is in the last 10 years.
But uh.. thanks?
@@ataraxic89 you have accomplished a lot in that time frame. Congratulations.
@@jalloor thanks!
How often does that giant bering need to be lubricated?
how do you lubricate it does it last done lots of wheel bearings
The logic of the bearing being destroyed depends on the function of the bearing itself. We can be sure that he used a high load, high speed rated bearing for this application.
it looks cool but whats the range of useablity it doesn't look like its gonna take some rough use
since this IS your design I thought I'd type out the youtube clip of my flat out favorite all time motorcycle. the coolest bike I've ever seen.
sorry I haven't seen one of yours 1st. here it is : Hubless Chopper, (The Hubless Monster) A Wicked Bike Without Rims that Rides!! - copy paste into the search.
@the26thhour "custom-bike builder Billy Lane holds an Associate of Science degree in Mechanical Engineering from Florida State University and a Bachelor of Science degree in Mechanical Engineering from Florida International University."
Looks awesome but how does the brakes work?
For those haters, I'm sure this mock up was for this film. He's got to have his own little secrets to correct final assembly.
how long does it take to dismount that wheel so you can change a tire?
two words ... BAD ASS!!!!!
if you go thru all the cost and trouble to do the "hubless" wheel, it's kind of a FAIL to then do a chain drive, use a friction drive, makes it even cooler.
just like magic, giant bearing
love it
Now guys... let's not try to re-invent the wheel...
Holy “ 10k bearing remarkable!
This makes me wish i had devoted more of myself to math back in school... lol
10 thousand dollar bearing and continues to whack it lol
i have a question plz! did u can find the replace items (sprocket chain.v.v...) when it become to weak??
I know this isn’t efficient yet, but it’s a step to the future.
The next goal is to figure out how can we make it fly (hover), without the need of a strong magnetic field.
Title and Episode please... ^_^
Did that's cool....but what is the life span on the bearings?
Good point! didn't think of that...
very very very good job
I know, people always label "gearheads" stupid right off the bat. When in truth it takes allot of skill and knowledge to do what they do.
I saw him ask a question you have this huge ass piece of material that sticks out on the left-hand side of the tire how in the hell do you even turn. I mean when I ride my BMW I scrub that tire all the way out to the edge I’m gonna take and grind that chain into the asphalt. What a stupid design
Thats one tall sprocket .. top speed cant be much but boy it will climb hills ?
its very interesting to see how for example, bike builders, are deceptively smart.
Indeed.
This style of wheel has no advantage, it has only downsides to it.
Sometimes it's neat to make something different, but don't go pretending you've advanced anything. 100% of what is done here is nothing new, only applied in a way that is normally not done. This is key, "because it is worse than other methods".
Motorcycle genius
The only flaw i could think of is the noise it makes. Regular wheels are silent compared to this.
Franco Sbarro invented the hubless wheel in 1989
how do you get power to the rear wheel if its hubless thats the question i cant get my hands on. ppl say there is a chain on the outer rim but that doesnt make any sense...
Comparing this kind of wheel and the standard type with spokes and hub, looks like the standard is more revolutionary than hubless.
Simple, less maintenance, cheaper bearing, movable parts fully covered from dust, water, etc. Is more efficient.
The 1/2 inch tube supports on the jack shaft are going to break.
Nice work 👍
My question bearing noisy while spinning on the road...?
Looks good, that bearing mechanism sounded as rough as fuck when just turned !
Where's the lubrication for the bearing ?
Brakes ?
மழை தண்ணி ல போலாமா பெரிய மெக்கானிசம் Hub wheel ல விட ரொம்ப. விலை கம்மி
amazing
''excellent''
Tron Bike isn't a dream anymore!!!!
So that's how you install bearings, just beat the fuck out of them!!