You didn't see it because you are unworthy. Only if you were worthy enough because I saw the whole thing in its full glory in this video . But godspeed to you ig
@@BlazingBlakesGaming I actually release garbage on my channel once every decade as a hobby-unless you're joking or being sarcastic, I fail to see why my content is "amazing."
Just a question: Is the gravity in Canada somehow much stronger than everywhere else? Because you guys seem to (almost) drop expensive tech quite frequently
Intel NUCs have always been a weird fixation for me. They have a value proposition that just never makes sense, but that makes it even more tantalizing
Space / quiet (at least for a typical NUC), if you value SPACE they are very good.. There are AMD alternatives and generics out there but I broke down and purchased one at the slight premium and I am very happy it sits on a small shelf and runs server stuff for my home.. Tin
@@ArchusKanzaki the justification is the Form factor. If you don't need small Form factor no matter what a SFF build is not going to be cost/feature effective
"Reusing thermal paste is the exact same thing as piracy. Literally the exact same thing. Ppl will still do it and I've been guilty of it at times, but we just need to be aware of the impact- LS"
4:03 my old Thermaltake Tsunami case had a 90mm side fan. The stock black fan replaced with a cool UV blue 92mm fan was close, but not quite an exact fit. The screws were never flat, they had to be angled.
I'm confused, what's the "doing it wrong" part? I don't see anything in this video to convince me that there's something wrong with this system. Even the price proposition doesn't appear to be too bad, which is typically the weakest point for most mini-pc's.
Linus is an intel shill wouldn't be surprised if Intel actually sponsored this video...it's click bait he wants you to think he's questioning intel but it's actually an ad for intel the whole video is linus advertising the nuc as a super dooper amazing great absolutely packing top tier tech inside lmao i gotta stop watching linus this guy just too much at this point.
@@destinacecilia4422 Don't know how he would be an Intel shill. He has seemed quite positive about AMD while criticising Intel a lot during the heights of Ryzen's dominance.
Yeah, you kinda missed an important point. The wohole point of the modular design is that you can reuse the backplane/case and pop a new compute element in it to upgrade. So, are those compute elements sold separately? Or can you even use the 12. gen module on the backplane of the 11. gen? You literally had them side by side and not tried it. If it is not possible why bother to make this design at all? Would be nice if you could make a follow up where this question gets answered.
So, I don't understand the title of the video. This is an awesome machine and i hear almost nothing but praise in the video. The video did lack some gaming performance stats, how are the fps on this thing?
If I am not mistaken, the joke is that every other company that offers some mini-workstation like PC is both overpriced and has poor specs. So compared to the competition; they are doing it wrong. It is basically a dig at everyone else.
Mainly a clickbait, but also a shade thrown at Apple for popularizing unrepairable design where everything is soldered on (Mac mini & Mac Studio), while Intel is offering a fully modular PC this size, hence “doing it wrong”
Unfortunately they missed the most important part: Upgrading a previous model with the newer compute element. Is it financially competitive when comparing it against a normal PC upgrade? Is the older power supply powerful enough? Can you reuse all previous M.2 SSDs (except for one). Can you sell or make REAL use of the old compute element (I highly doubt that!).
@SOUL SEEKER Yeah, but in what new case, if you bought this unit as your first? The form factor and special cables are still proprietary, aren't they? After all I think this is just fancy marketing and you'll never actually upgrade that compute unit..
When you take account the size of the machine the price proposition of these NUCs is actually really good. Most mini itx rigs require cases in the hundreds of dollars. Really if space is at a premium there is no better solution, especially if you need 10 gig networking.
The Intel NUCS design coupled with it's specs always caught my eye and always wanted them but cannot due to price. The NUCs is one of Intel's best creations. Kudos to them.
Cheaper ones on special work well instead of under powered ARM SBCs. Pi or equiv cluster is great for tinkering, find the NUC for not much more, simpler ;)
0:50 considering how much excitement there was i hoped to see the original box the first nuc came in to be shown and to be opened... for those that don't know, go look it up :D
I thought last year it was pretty cool that you can change and upgrade the compute unit but I'm kind of disappointed they made a whole new enclosure. It feels like a loss since I figured Intel was taking a step in making some kind of waste reduction with swappable parts. I'm even more disappointed that Linus didn't swap the compute units and see if they would work in the other enclosure. Last year I felt like the whole point was you'll be able to buy newer computer units separately and just upgrade what you need.
It turns out that most people don't upgrade their computers at all; some may add a little RAM or an extra drive, and just about nobody will swap out the GPU or CPU. I mean, _we_ do, but we're real enthusiasts. Pretty much the same 30 years ago.
@@UncleKennysPlace really? I never felt the need to swap out my CPU. I want to swap out just about everything else when Lovelace and RDNA 3 comes out, so i will be building a whole new computer, but swapping out anything regularly seems strange, you either have enough performance or to little. and if you have to little, it'll rarely be just one part, and once you upgraded you should be good for at least 4 years.
@@Ocastia depends how long your upgrade cycle is and what your use case is. i have a 4690k and sure it's nowhere near any of the 12th gen stuff or ryzen 5000-series, but my gtx970 is what's holding me back the most. a gpu upgrade would make sense while saving for the rest of the pc. i also added an nvme drive last year to improve game load times and texture streaming in cyberpunk imo cpu upgrades are more for when you have a longlasting platform (eg ryzen's 450 motherboards) and want a performance uplift, or if you need to save a buck and can grab a lower tier cpu for your new build with the intention of upgrading in a few months
I bought a complete NUC12 Extreme + Graphic Card = $3,750. It is pricy but works real well with heavy software such as Solidworks and Mastercam. This unit can handle 200+ files working at the same assembly. Very amazing unit. I get what I paid for. I use this system to do some other side jobs and it paid off itself just within 1 month of work.
@Photo Bunny What is the difference? Something like..one of them is a refrigerator and another one is an oven? No..both of them are pc. Can't you use that gaming pc as your so called workstation? Yes you can and you can do it as much as you want.But i am sure that you can't use that "workstation" for gaming..if you ever want to🙂 and another thing..Mac Studio costs way more than that NUC for no reason.
@@nahidsarker69 you are subscribed to this channel. You know the difference between gaming CPUs, storage and GPUs vs workstation variants of those components.
Didn’t know there’s were small windows pcs like these, all I kept seeing is Mac mini and now the Mac studio. Glad these windows pcs exists and hope to see more videos. I use windows for specific app use cases so can’t go for MacOS.
But they aren't small enough compared to mac studio (the smallest one that linus showed is quite weak for a good ride). I think Intel still needs to work on power efficiency.
@@kartikeypandey8957 If Intel went with all integrated they could probably get down to a similarish form factor but these devices are still designed with some modularity in mind as demonstrated here. Apple is able to get away with it because they're forcing everyone into their ecosystem whereas the rest of the pc market is mostly able to swap back and forth/use off shelf parts.
@@matthewd9356 there are smaller PCs about the same size as a Mac Mini, but have mostly soldered in components and can’t match the performance of Apples.
12:15 No joke, I was just virtually building a PC with the same CPU and similar specs just yesterday to get a feel for modern desktop pricing. Price came to ~$2,000. A good chunk of that was a $500 graphics card, so with everything else added together (form factor, warranty, etc.) I totally believe this would be worth getting instead of building my own from scratch.
The NUCs are extremly attractive to me in the Design-Performance-Price Combo, even though I don't need any of it. My Uncle may like these, though a DGPU probably be more his fit.
OK, one thing LTT has got to change, is the abrupt changing of the titles on the videos, and also what is Intel doing wrong? I didn't see anything wrong with it in the video, so why change the title?
That's certainly very impressive tech, but according the web site it's 14.1 x 7.4 x 4.7", while Velka-7 (where you can fit the same CPU or many others which Mini-ITX supports) is 11.9 x 7.0 x 4.4", smaller in literally EVERY dimension. And it support SFX PSU, etc.
i honestly have no idea why Intel didn't just invert the compute element, this isn't something they need to stick to PCIe conformity on you should have the back of the compute element against the back of the GPU pulling in cool air from either side
I wonder how the subtitles are made. This video had "feature parity" captioned as "feature parody"; another video of LTT had "illuminate" as "eliminate"; and these 2 are not the only ones I've seen, just the freshest in my memory
Note about the small FF NUCs like the little one he showed us about a minute in: I work for an MSP and for a few years, those were our default everyday PCs. If the user didn't need a GPU, they got a NUC. We stopped selling them about a year ago, though; we found that the life expectancy was far less than four years and lots of them actually failed in less than two years. They also have a minimal "depot" warranty (one year exchange or refund for factory defects). We switched to Dell OptiPlex Micros because they are more robust, more flexible, and have a vastly better warranty option with Pro Support Plus (three years of next-day repair or fast replacement for literally anything if you chose the accidental damage option). Our sales are all to managed customers, so I have no financial incentive to plug Dell here; their stuff is pretty good and the prices are reasonable. These small NUCs are probably find for a home user who only requires an hour or two a day, but for business users who use them eight hours a day and never shut them off, they are not a good choice.
My research institute used NUCs as office PCs. They just set up one central server with remote desktops and you can work from any PC in the building just by logging into your account. Pretty neat.
I so would've got one of these but the phantom canyon nuc is small enough to Vesa mount onto the back of your monitor so it looks like nothing is on the desk! That combined with nice cable routing/hiding makes for a ridiculously clean look. It's just my backup pc so it has more than enough performance for that.
Maxing out Elden Ring on my Phantom Canyon... I had to wait a LOT longer than expected for it (arrived last year about 3 months too late), but I love the form factor. Ridiculously small, quiet, and cool for its output.
Really weird comparison, but okay: Yes, the M1 is awesome... it's not a replacement for an RTX 3080, though, which is what makes this box so "big": The full size GPU.
@@MR-vg7yn That's exactly what I meant actually, with the only exception of gamers, the M1 ultra/max will most probably outshine anything a PC can do, be it with a 3080. Especially for creative professionals. The idea that they achieved that in such small footprint is insane to me.
@@yashonagori Looking at benchmarks of a 32 GPU core M1 Max that put it somewhere in the neighborhood of a mobile 1660 for general use, I _really_ doubt the 64 GPU core version in the M1 Ultra will be anywhere close to a full-sized RTX 3080 in general. Yes, there will probably be some native Mac applications where the M1 will be around that level of performance, but in general? No, it won't be, sorry. And that's not an issue really: The M1 is really power-efficient and, therefore, really fast for a small package. It's a great piece of silicon... but just like every other great piece of silicon before it, it's not the next Messiah and it's not a miracle. Just realistically compare the Mac Studio to the NUC shown here: The Mac Studio is around 3.7 litres in volume, the NUC here is around 7.6 litres. Yes, the NUC is roughly double the volume. But just swap out the full size GPU used here for a smaller, less powerful one and you could realistically bring that thing down significantly in size. You probably won't reach 3.7 litres, but as a trade-off, you're still using exchangeable, standard parts. As I said: The M1 is awesome, but it's not a miracle. These claims that the next Mac will render "normal" PCs obsolete are nothing new, either... and like every other time before, they're just unrealistic, sorry. The Mac Studio will realistically set you back around five grand without peripherals. Do you have any idea what kind of PC you can buy for that, even with the currently insane prices? Best of all, that PC is actually upgradable in a meaningful way. And even ignoring price: To actually get the most out of that expensive hardware, you will have to move into Apple's own walled garden. That means, no matter how miraculous the M1 Ultra ends up being, it will not "outshine anything a PC can do". That's just not realistic.
I like how there is no comparison to a test bench setup to determine how much performance is locked behind the tdp limit. And not even some game benchmark to see and compare.
I never understood why didn't intel flip the card that holds the cpu-ram combo the other way so that it could use both sides of the case for cooling (1 for gpu and the other for the cpu)
You okay there, LTT? This video seems unusually... Incoherent? You didn't even put your video intro in it. The transition from the Linus segment to the Alex segment just felt weird. Title doesn't match the content?
would be cool if there were different front panels. i'd love to own a compact PC without a cringy edgelord RGB skull so prominently placed on the front
The best part of regular Intel NUCs is that you can VESA-mount them to the back of your screen, either hanging off to the side or mounted directly (depends on your aims). This makes you get that iMac experience without the Mac, and as a bonus you don't need to throw out the iMac every five years, just keep the screen and update the NUC. Screen can be good for 10-15 years.
Recently bought a NUC to use as a 24/7 home server. Slapped a VPN, Remote desktop and source control for me and my friend to work on projects. It's very quiet.
I wish I could throw one of those compute elements into a PCIe slot in my PC to run game servers, but I'd imagine it'd push power out of the connector instead of vice-versa and break stuff.
You didn't mention the very best feature of this thing: it's socketed. You can literally swap in every alder lake CPU you want and even overclock. Der8auer got a 12900k overclocked and even hat a little thermal headroom
very usefull with a janky motherboard that probably will never have update for raptor lake ... you could build an itx system with around the same volume cheaper with an itx motherboard ...
Would love to see Intel making a custom CPU+GPU SoC, sound like a perfect use case for this. They might be able to shrink the system a lot more when both the CPU and GPU share the same board and the same cooling solution. Also surpringly, price isn't crazy at all. I think I've spent just about that much on the spec alone - without factoring in case, fans and PSU
I wonder if the 12 compute unit would work in the 11 gen case? and would the 4th nvme slot work? wasn one of the points of the "compute unit" for upgradability?
I can confirm yes. It does work as that's Intel's plan to make the case future proof and the commute units to be as well. - I've asked Intel about this very question and a guy called Norman from Intel confirmed it does work.
intel are going to be so marketing the Alchemist Xe GPUs as their official ultimate addon for these later larger NUCs with the extra PCIe slot although, missed the form factor of their Hades Canyon days...
It's a shame that you can't plug those compute modules into a regular PC and have additional processing power (maybe not to access the hardware directly but having fast communication with it throug the PCI instead of a network card).. it would be so useful for software development to run docker or VMs..
If this NUC had an integrated carry handle, chonky rubber feet, and reinforced corners to handle bumps and scrapes, it would be the perfect form factor for no-compromise performance on the go. I really like the concept of Lian-Li's PC-TU150 portable case, but it just isn't rugged enough.
Intel NUCs have always been a great innovation with a lot of appeal, but their top-spec pricing never seems to make sense, even within the ultra compact ITX niche.
So if you can put a 12900K in, can you now put a 13900 also running at 65w? I heard the 13900k vs the 12900k is only a 5% heat difference. With the extra e-cores I think it would be a crazy good option for the size.
Does the "You're doing it wrong" title actually have anything to do with the video or is it just shameless clickbait? Doesn't seem to reflect the video at all...
2:50 I guess this was recorded before the studio Mac was showcased in the Apple event. Yes obviously the Mac doesn’t support discrete graphics but the M1 ultra is surely competitive or better even then a 3070 class card
Speaking of NUCs as HTPCs, I'm still using an original Skull Canyon NUC (i7-6770) as a HTPC playing live cable TV streams off a HDHomeRun Prime with a cablecard. It's a much older machine, but it gets the job done. These NUCs are beastly boxes for their size.
I’d say most all traveling editors would prefer a new MacBook Pro so they don’t have to lug around a desktop , monitor and peripherals. The MacBook Pro offers outstanding performance and maintains it all on battery. Much better for travel
was a tossup between this NUC and one of the 12 Gen laptops such as the Legion 7 or the MSI Raider or one of the Alienwares. I was taking an older MSI with the 6800HQ CPU and the GTX1060 and connecting a corded RGB keyboard and a 27” monitor. I never intended to run gaming off the battery so I bring the monitor to the motel. In the end I bought the MSI Raider GE77 and it runs really well and I can use the monitor and keyboard. Too many gaming laptop reviews focus on the battery where the framerate drops to 1fps if I forget to turn on the brick. Still I’m tempted to port my old gaming PC to the NUC but that’s like having 6 scoops of ice cream in one bowl.
These things have such potential. Everyone usually gets atleast a new motherboard CPU and heatsink with an upgrade, so everything being part of this tight single unit package is really cool. The issue is that when it comes time to upgrade in 4 or 5 years they will probably completely change the form factor or not even offer these anymore.
These seem like great alternatives for things like the NZXT H1 and Corsair One for something of a prebuilt SFF rig. Granted this is an apples to bananas to oranges comparison, but when it comes to SFF machines we need more options and this seems like an awesome addition for the consumer to pick from.
I still like that old form factor. I’m always buying those things off of Amazon. They’re about 300 bucks or whatever for a little i3 something or other with 16 gigs of RAM etc. Totally enough for little office computers
The thermal engineering in this NUC thingy is awesome! We should learn from this. Maybe there is a way to improve cooling in standard desktop PCs too using PCI slots!
You know what this can result into or become? A hybrid pc/console A pc in a size of a console With the modular design and the ease of plug and play nature of consoles This could be unstoppable
might not be able to put an active m.2 drive in that bottom bay, but you COULD use it as cold storage, like a usb key or SD card etc as a backup for boot/restore... maybe keep something like a backup ubikey in there too or a HW crypto waller if you're into that stuff.
I remember how big and bulky office computers were here between the late 90's and early 2000's, and they were beige coloured, too. From 2007 onwards they all started to look that tiny computer you showed.
Glass panels and shiny leds are awesome, but i am all mesh all the time now. Don't even have to worry about thermals any more. It makes such a huge difference. I can see why they went that route.
Next time you do something with a small system like this, could you report the weight? Like, if I have to send a high performance computer around via UPS / FedEx how much bang for my buck am I getting in terms of weight over a big bulky gaming laptop? I *think* the laptop is a better choice in terms of performance / weight and performance / size, but I might be wrong. And something like this has the benefit that I can check it and/or not pay extra to ship something with lithium batteries.
You'd be surprised where the cost difference lies between weight and size. Size of package actually has more to due with shipping cost now than weight alone.
Doesn't the gpu exhaust some hot air right next to where the air intake is for the cpu side? I wonder if 3d printing an extended external shroud would decrease thermals?... Unrelated note im looking forward to tomorrows wan show, im sure Linus is gonna talk about the m1 ultra. I'm not a mac guy but im stoked for this chip. (prob wont buy one i just think its awesome they exist/will exist).
Mmm, that GPU on the shelf in the background the whole time until Mr. Tech Tips gets it. It's like finding out you did see Antonio in the general store in a previous episode of Schitt's Creek. I love me some continuity.
I’ve got an 11th gen NUC. It has this weird sleep/wake issue where the fans will ramp to 100% and the display will just stay off. So frustrating. Have taken the entire thing apart to check for anything loose/unseated. Have reinstalled Windows twice, have updated everything I can think of, have tried multiple displays/cables/display out ports… Just keeps happening.
Something like that might be great for video game streaming. Some streamers use dual PCs, and if the game PC is separate, you can install its own version of Windows and it won't show your main PC's notifications
Had me at the stealth Alchemist GPU-hopefully that would be uncloaked soon.
Everyone should subscribe to the commenter haha. Blow up their channel for no reason!
Edit: Actually their content is amazing
You didn't see it because you are unworthy. Only if you were worthy enough because I saw the whole thing in its full glory in this video . But godspeed to you ig
@@BlazingBlakesGaming I actually release garbage on my channel once every decade as a hobby-unless you're joking or being sarcastic, I fail to see why my content is "amazing."
@@vedaryan334 no biggie, us low-level peasants will be able to bask in its glory in due time.
Honestly I am so excited to see the new gpus from intel
Just a question:
Is the gravity in Canada somehow much stronger than everywhere else? Because you guys seem to (almost) drop expensive tech quite frequently
Naaa that's just Linus
@@39zack Wow, Linus isn't that heavy...
Ironically enough the place with thr least gravity on the surface of Earth is located in Canada.
It’s part of the joke
easy to be careless when you have the money to replace any of it
Intel NUCs have always been a weird fixation for me. They have a value proposition that just never makes sense, but that makes it even more tantalizing
Space / quiet (at least for a typical NUC), if you value SPACE they are very good.. There are AMD alternatives and generics out there but I broke down and purchased one at the slight premium and I am very happy it sits on a small shelf and runs server stuff for my home.. Tin
The engineering is so creative that I kinda want to pick one.... but its reaaaally difficult to justify the price
@@ArchusKanzaki the justification is the Form factor. If you don't need small Form factor no matter what a SFF build is not going to be cost/feature effective
They are kinda like vaio or alienware
@@verqu3450 Except with a product that while seeming unreasonably expensive, is of an impressive standard of quality and innovation.
I'm so dissappointed that they put "Paste Piracy" instead of "Paste Privateer"
Sadly, not many got the history joke... Time to drown my sadness in Captain Kidd's Punch
@@resentfulsoulofthetoilet589 Written History made an adaptation of Wing Commander?
"Reusing thermal paste is the exact same thing as piracy. Literally the exact same thing. Ppl will still do it and I've been guilty of it at times, but we just need to be aware of the impact- LS"
@@resentfulsoulofthetoilet589 while it is a history joke, it's more specifically a reference to WAN Show from a few weeks back
4:03 my old Thermaltake Tsunami case had a 90mm side fan. The stock black fan replaced with a cool UV blue 92mm fan was close, but not quite an exact fit. The screws were never flat, they had to be angled.
@Amanda Diaz ad
I think 90mil fans are like 200 mil fans where everybody has a slightly different interpretation. only 120 and 14 are really standardized
Its really good to see that intel is embracing the right to repair in these compact pc's unlike apple who glue's everything together
@Telegram only👉@LinusTechTips0 omg omg omg SHUT UP BRUV STUPID BOT
Uh do u know if the nuc 12 comes with a dedicated gpu or not
@@PZ-VH why would it be able to comfortably game at 4K without a dgpu and what kind of igpu would be able to do that
@@user-rh7pk7ys6m For real like what was his point? 😭
@@PZ-VH it’s right there wthin the first 30 seconds wtf do u mean
I'm confused, what's the "doing it wrong" part? I don't see anything in this video to convince me that there's something wrong with this system. Even the price proposition doesn't appear to be too bad, which is typically the weakest point for most mini-pc's.
Click bait.
Welcome to UA-cam !
Linus is an intel shill wouldn't be surprised if Intel actually sponsored this video...it's click bait he wants you to think he's questioning intel but it's actually an ad for intel the whole video is linus advertising the nuc as a super dooper amazing great absolutely packing top tier tech inside lmao i gotta stop watching linus this guy just too much at this point.
Yeup. Why I disliked the video.
@@destinacecilia4422 Don't know how he would be an Intel shill. He has seemed quite positive about AMD while criticising Intel a lot during the heights of Ryzen's dominance.
I'm starting to really enjoy the new thing you're doing with extra people contributing to the videos. It really shows how y'all work a team.
Yeah, you kinda missed an important point. The wohole point of the modular design is that you can reuse the backplane/case and pop a new compute element in it to upgrade. So, are those compute elements sold separately? Or can you even use the 12. gen module on the backplane of the 11. gen? You literally had them side by side and not tried it. If it is not possible why bother to make this design at all? Would be nice if you could make a follow up where this question gets answered.
So, I don't understand the title of the video. This is an awesome machine and i hear almost nothing but praise in the video. The video did lack some gaming performance stats, how are the fps on this thing?
If I am not mistaken, the joke is that every other company that offers some mini-workstation like PC is both overpriced and has poor specs.
So compared to the competition; they are doing it wrong.
It is basically a dig at everyone else.
I feel like I'm missing a joke here. How is Intel doing it wrong?
Mainly a clickbait, but also a shade thrown at Apple for popularizing unrepairable design where everything is soldered on (Mac mini & Mac Studio), while Intel is offering a fully modular PC this size, hence “doing it wrong”
This should be pinned lol
I think its mostly cause they're using a "compute unit" isntead of just a normal motherboard
2:22 was chilling and then almost had a heart attack 😅
The engireering looks amazing! I have an older gen NUC and I am very impressed by Intel's continuing commitment to this line!
Unfortunately they missed the most important part: Upgrading a previous model with the newer compute element. Is it financially competitive when comparing it against a normal PC upgrade? Is the older power supply powerful enough? Can you reuse all previous M.2 SSDs (except for one). Can you sell or make REAL use of the old compute element (I highly doubt that!).
@SOUL SEEKER Yeah, but in what new case, if you bought this unit as your first? The form factor and special cables are still proprietary, aren't they? After all I think this is just fancy marketing and you'll never actually upgrade that compute unit..
When you take account the size of the machine the price proposition of these NUCs is actually really good. Most mini itx rigs require cases in the hundreds of dollars. Really if space is at a premium there is no better solution, especially if you need 10 gig networking.
Mac studio is better than cheaper (when configured as M1 MAX)
The Intel NUCS design coupled with it's specs always caught my eye and always wanted them but cannot due to price. The NUCs is one of Intel's best creations. Kudos to them.
Cheaper ones on special work well instead of under powered ARM SBCs. Pi or equiv cluster is great for tinkering, find the NUC for not much more, simpler ;)
@@NicholasOrr I understand your suggestion. But you can't exactly play Elden Ring or triple A games on a PI or ARM equivalent.
@@ze-ph9774 ha - totally - yeah as a primary device NUC doesn't do well for budget/value builds ;)
0:50 considering how much excitement there was i hoped to see the original box the first nuc came in to be shown and to be opened...
for those that don't know, go look it up :D
Here a cideo of Linus unboxing the first NUC for those who wanna look it up- ua-cam.com/video/xL4MX-0V8l4/v-deo.html
I thought last year it was pretty cool that you can change and upgrade the compute unit but I'm kind of disappointed they made a whole new enclosure. It feels like a loss since I figured Intel was taking a step in making some kind of waste reduction with swappable parts. I'm even more disappointed that Linus didn't swap the compute units and see if they would work in the other enclosure. Last year I felt like the whole point was you'll be able to buy newer computer units separately and just upgrade what you need.
It turns out that most people don't upgrade their computers at all; some may add a little RAM or an extra drive, and just about nobody will swap out the GPU or CPU. I mean, _we_ do, but we're real enthusiasts. Pretty much the same 30 years ago.
The new enclosure have some upgrade, but I don't think its mandatory to upgrade the enclosure. Pretty weird that they do not try to confirm it though
@@UncleKennysPlace really? I never felt the need to swap out my CPU.
I want to swap out just about everything else when Lovelace and RDNA 3 comes out, so i will be building a whole new computer, but swapping out anything regularly seems strange, you either have enough performance or to little. and if you have to little, it'll rarely be just one part, and once you upgraded you should be good for at least 4 years.
I doubt that you will ever be able to actually buy compute elements seperately
@@Ocastia depends how long your upgrade cycle is and what your use case is. i have a 4690k and sure it's nowhere near any of the 12th gen stuff or ryzen 5000-series, but my gtx970 is what's holding me back the most. a gpu upgrade would make sense while saving for the rest of the pc. i also added an nvme drive last year to improve game load times and texture streaming in cyberpunk
imo cpu upgrades are more for when you have a longlasting platform (eg ryzen's 450 motherboards) and want a performance uplift, or if you need to save a buck and can grab a lower tier cpu for your new build with the intention of upgrading in a few months
I'm really interested in the i7 version. The product page on Intel's website says it's launched, but neither Amazon nor Newegg has it even listed.
I bought a complete NUC12 Extreme + Graphic Card = $3,750. It is pricy but works real well with heavy software such as Solidworks and Mastercam. This unit can handle 200+ files working at the same assembly.
Very amazing unit. I get what I paid for.
I use this system to do some other side jobs and it paid off itself just within 1 month of work.
Just in time, with the Mac Studio. A head to head comparison video would be really interesting to see
You read my mind bro
@Photo Bunny What is the difference? Something like..one of them is a refrigerator and another one is an oven? No..both of them are pc. Can't you use that gaming pc as your so called workstation? Yes you can and you can do it as much as you want.But i am sure that you can't use that "workstation" for gaming..if you ever want to🙂 and another thing..Mac Studio costs way more than that NUC for no reason.
@@nahidsarker69 you are subscribed to this channel. You know the difference between gaming CPUs, storage and GPUs vs workstation variants of those components.
@Photo Bunny hardly a, workstation more like a nettop it has no dedicated gpu
@Photo Bunny?
9:48 are we just going to brush over the 670 point single core reduction from your overclock?
Didn’t know there’s were small windows pcs like these, all I kept seeing is Mac mini and now the Mac studio. Glad these windows pcs exists and hope to see more videos. I use windows for specific app use cases so can’t go for MacOS.
But they aren't small enough compared to mac studio (the smallest one that linus showed is quite weak for a good ride).
I think Intel still needs to work on power efficiency.
@@kartikeypandey8957 If Intel went with all integrated they could probably get down to a similarish form factor but these devices are still designed with some modularity in mind as demonstrated here. Apple is able to get away with it because they're forcing everyone into their ecosystem whereas the rest of the pc market is mostly able to swap back and forth/use off shelf parts.
Just google mini pcs. There are many small PCs is different price classes.
@@matthewd9356 I am actually pointing out intel's power to performance ratio , nothing else. Amd is doing better in this department.
@@matthewd9356 there are smaller PCs about the same size as a Mac Mini, but have mostly soldered in components and can’t match the performance of Apples.
Intel: *gives each LMG employee 5k to spend*
Also LMG: "Intel, you're doing it wrong!"
Don't forget to compare the new Mac Studio and these lol
It’s been a while since the last no compromises PC on LTT, although this one is a pre-built one.
12:15 No joke, I was just virtually building a PC with the same CPU and similar specs just yesterday to get a feel for modern desktop pricing. Price came to ~$2,000. A good chunk of that was a $500 graphics card, so with everything else added together (form factor, warranty, etc.) I totally believe this would be worth getting instead of building my own from scratch.
@@arbiya4346 LMAO
I love the compute module idea, so compact, reminds me of the old pentium 2
It's funny we have one of those literally sitting in a kitchen drawer from one of my Dad's old machines.
The NUCs are extremly attractive to me in the Design-Performance-Price Combo, even though I don't need any of it.
My Uncle may like these, though a DGPU probably be more his fit.
Looks exciting over the old NUC being able to tune the CPU. Shame the cooler for the processor isn't a little larger.
It actually is larger in size - the removal of one of the M.2 slots was needed for the larger IHS of a socketed CPU. -CW
OK, one thing LTT has got to change, is the abrupt changing of the titles on the videos, and also what is Intel doing wrong? I didn't see anything wrong with it in the video, so why change the title?
That's certainly very impressive tech, but according the web site it's 14.1 x 7.4 x 4.7", while Velka-7 (where you can fit the same CPU or many others which Mini-ITX supports) is 11.9 x 7.0 x 4.4", smaller in literally EVERY dimension. And it support SFX PSU, etc.
but this can fit a slightly longer gpu
i honestly have no idea why Intel didn't just invert the compute element, this isn't something they need to stick to PCIe conformity on you should have the back of the compute element against the back of the GPU pulling in cool air from either side
Ye it is kinda strange
drives me crazy every time i see these things shown off lol, intel engineers cant figure out how to flip a pcb
At that point it's basically a Dan AT but locked to Intel
im soo glad to see 10g becoming more common. hopefully soon we will find it on the avarage motherboard and not just the enthusiast tier.
I wonder how the subtitles are made. This video had "feature parity" captioned as "feature parody"; another video of LTT had "illuminate" as "eliminate"; and these 2 are not the only ones I've seen, just the freshest in my memory
Note about the small FF NUCs like the little one he showed us about a minute in: I work for an MSP and for a few years, those were our default everyday PCs. If the user didn't need a GPU, they got a NUC. We stopped selling them about a year ago, though; we found that the life expectancy was far less than four years and lots of them actually failed in less than two years. They also have a minimal "depot" warranty (one year exchange or refund for factory defects). We switched to Dell OptiPlex Micros because they are more robust, more flexible, and have a vastly better warranty option with Pro Support Plus (three years of next-day repair or fast replacement for literally anything if you chose the accidental damage option). Our sales are all to managed customers, so I have no financial incentive to plug Dell here; their stuff is pretty good and the prices are reasonable.
These small NUCs are probably find for a home user who only requires an hour or two a day, but for business users who use them eight hours a day and never shut them off, they are not a good choice.
"No Compromises"
Proceeds to have a massive compromise by only having 65W max. But I guess when Intel is paying y'all, you'll say anything.
"no compromises" *$* exists.
If Apple’s claims on their M1 Ultra are true, this will be a large Gaming PC!
Apple doesn't care about gaming. Lol.
every apple claim is based on cherry picked scenarios for productivity
@@allan_archie what does that have to do with anything? He’s saying that M1 is insanely powerful and small. Smaller than this
MacOS barely supports a game library. Don't try and force them into our space please.
Apple claims have never been true, unless you count the features that they remove.
I love the BUY IT HERE links in the description, which link to a unavailable PC, and a sold out Graphics card.
My research institute used NUCs as office PCs. They just set up one central server with remote desktops and you can work from any PC in the building just by logging into your account. Pretty neat.
I so would've got one of these but the phantom canyon nuc is small enough to Vesa mount onto the back of your monitor so it looks like nothing is on the desk! That combined with nice cable routing/hiding makes for a ridiculously clean look. It's just my backup pc so it has more than enough performance for that.
Maxing out Elden Ring on my Phantom Canyon... I had to wait a LOT longer than expected for it (arrived last year about 3 months too late), but I love the form factor. Ridiculously small, quiet, and cool for its output.
@@kevinhadap6463 hah, same here. I literally got mine at the very end of last year.
Too look at these “small” boxes and then to realise what apple has done with Mac studio is just insane.
Really weird comparison, but okay: Yes, the M1 is awesome... it's not a replacement for an RTX 3080, though, which is what makes this box so "big": The full size GPU.
@@MR-vg7yn That's exactly what I meant actually, with the only exception of gamers, the M1 ultra/max will most probably outshine anything a PC can do, be it with a 3080. Especially for creative professionals.
The idea that they achieved that in such small footprint is insane to me.
@@yashonagori Looking at benchmarks of a 32 GPU core M1 Max that put it somewhere in the neighborhood of a mobile 1660 for general use, I _really_ doubt the 64 GPU core version in the M1 Ultra will be anywhere close to a full-sized RTX 3080 in general. Yes, there will probably be some native Mac applications where the M1 will be around that level of performance, but in general? No, it won't be, sorry.
And that's not an issue really: The M1 is really power-efficient and, therefore, really fast for a small package.
It's a great piece of silicon... but just like every other great piece of silicon before it, it's not the next Messiah and it's not a miracle.
Just realistically compare the Mac Studio to the NUC shown here: The Mac Studio is around 3.7 litres in volume, the NUC here is around 7.6 litres. Yes, the NUC is roughly double the volume. But just swap out the full size GPU used here for a smaller, less powerful one and you could realistically bring that thing down significantly in size. You probably won't reach 3.7 litres, but as a trade-off, you're still using exchangeable, standard parts.
As I said: The M1 is awesome, but it's not a miracle.
These claims that the next Mac will render "normal" PCs obsolete are nothing new, either... and like every other time before, they're just unrealistic, sorry.
The Mac Studio will realistically set you back around five grand without peripherals. Do you have any idea what kind of PC you can buy for that, even with the currently insane prices? Best of all, that PC is actually upgradable in a meaningful way.
And even ignoring price: To actually get the most out of that expensive hardware, you will have to move into Apple's own walled garden. That means, no matter how miraculous the M1 Ultra ends up being, it will not "outshine anything a PC can do".
That's just not realistic.
@@MR-vg7yn silicon*
@@andreewert6576 All these people putting random pieces of rubber in their pcs...
I like how there is no comparison to a test bench setup to determine how much performance is locked behind the tdp limit.
And not even some game benchmark to see and compare.
I never understood why didn't intel flip the card that holds the cpu-ram combo the other way so that it could use both sides of the case for cooling (1 for gpu and the other for the cpu)
You okay there, LTT? This video seems unusually... Incoherent? You didn't even put your video intro in it. The transition from the Linus segment to the Alex segment just felt weird. Title doesn't match the content?
would be cool if there were different front panels. i'd love to own a compact PC without a cringy edgelord RGB skull so prominently placed on the front
The best part of regular Intel NUCs is that you can VESA-mount them to the back of your screen, either hanging off to the side or mounted directly (depends on your aims). This makes you get that iMac experience without the Mac, and as a bonus you don't need to throw out the iMac every five years, just keep the screen and update the NUC. Screen can be good for 10-15 years.
Recently bought a NUC to use as a 24/7 home server. Slapped a VPN, Remote desktop and source control for me and my friend to work on projects. It's very quiet.
I wish I could throw one of those compute elements into a PCIe slot in my PC to run game servers, but I'd imagine it'd push power out of the connector instead of vice-versa and break stuff.
Or a arm based system in pcie to function like server
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You didn't mention the very best feature of this thing: it's socketed. You can literally swap in every alder lake CPU you want and even overclock. Der8auer got a 12900k overclocked and even hat a little thermal headroom
They did mention it, half the video was about that
@@OsamaRana oh... I was probably to distracted by Alex. Just kidding I was expecting a disassembly and didn't see it so mb...
very usefull with a janky motherboard that probably will never have update for raptor lake ... you could build an itx system with around the same volume cheaper with an itx motherboard ...
Would love to see Intel making a custom CPU+GPU SoC, sound like a perfect use case for this. They might be able to shrink the system a lot more when both the CPU and GPU share the same board and the same cooling solution.
Also surpringly, price isn't crazy at all. I think I've spent just about that much on the spec alone - without factoring in case, fans and PSU
dont say that!
Would love to see this vs the mac studio when yall get it c:
I wonder if the 12 compute unit would work in the 11 gen case? and would the 4th nvme slot work?
wasn one of the points of the "compute unit" for upgradability?
I can confirm yes. It does work as that's Intel's plan to make the case future proof and the commute units to be as well. - I've asked Intel about this very question and a guy called Norman from Intel confirmed it does work.
intel are going to be so marketing the Alchemist Xe GPUs as their official ultimate addon for these later larger NUCs with the extra PCIe slot
although, missed the form factor of their Hades Canyon days...
I love how different editors leave a different feel in the videos.
its smol for sure
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“No compromises”
Except the one that has existed since the NUC line’s introduction, you can’t upgrade the thing without shelling out another 1k
It's a shame that you can't plug those compute modules into a regular PC and have additional processing power (maybe not to access the hardware directly but having fast communication with it throug the PCI instead of a network card).. it would be so useful for software development to run docker or VMs..
If this NUC had an integrated carry handle, chonky rubber feet, and reinforced corners to handle bumps and scrapes, it would be the perfect form factor for no-compromise performance on the go. I really like the concept of Lian-Li's PC-TU150 portable case, but it just isn't rugged enough.
This is what happens when engineers are allowed to go crazy
Intel NUCs have always been a great innovation with a lot of appeal, but their top-spec pricing never seems to make sense, even within the ultra compact ITX niche.
They miss one important thing… the socket for the power cable was flipped, turned upside down.
So if you can put a 12900K in, can you now put a 13900 also running at 65w? I heard the 13900k vs the 12900k is only a 5% heat difference. With the extra e-cores I think it would be a crazy good option for the size.
Does the "You're doing it wrong" title actually have anything to do with the video or is it just shameless clickbait? Doesn't seem to reflect the video at all...
2:50 I guess this was recorded before the studio Mac was showcased in the Apple event. Yes obviously the Mac doesn’t support discrete graphics but the M1 ultra is surely competitive or better even then a 3070 class card
Ahahha no M1 sucks it can't game bruh it's no where near power 9f rtx 3070
it's 1 Tb4 ctrl with 2 port. So it's half bandwidth if you plug something requesting full power tb.
Speaking of NUCs as HTPCs, I'm still using an original Skull Canyon NUC (i7-6770) as a HTPC playing live cable TV streams off a HDHomeRun Prime with a cablecard. It's a much older machine, but it gets the job done. These NUCs are beastly boxes for their size.
I’d say most all traveling editors would prefer a new MacBook Pro so they don’t have to lug around a desktop , monitor and peripherals. The MacBook Pro offers outstanding performance and maintains it all on battery. Much better for travel
I guess we’ll see if mac studio with m1 ultra can do any gaming, that’d be great competition in the SFF space (and a veeerrrryyy interesting video)
was a tossup between this NUC and one of the 12 Gen laptops such as the Legion 7 or the MSI Raider or one of the Alienwares. I was taking an older MSI with the 6800HQ CPU and the GTX1060 and connecting a corded RGB keyboard and a 27” monitor. I never intended to run gaming off the battery so I bring the monitor to the motel.
In the end I bought the MSI Raider GE77 and it runs really well and I can use the monitor and keyboard.
Too many gaming laptop reviews focus on the battery where the framerate drops to 1fps if I forget to turn on the brick.
Still I’m tempted to port my old gaming PC to the NUC but that’s like having 6 scoops of ice cream in one bowl.
These things have such potential. Everyone usually gets atleast a new motherboard CPU and heatsink with an upgrade, so everything being part of this tight single unit package is really cool. The issue is that when it comes time to upgrade in 4 or 5 years they will probably completely change the form factor or not even offer these anymore.
They're really interesting devices, but I wish they replaced that ugly skull with something else
Nucs? Wow maybe my new engineering rig...
These seem like great alternatives for things like the NZXT H1 and Corsair One for something of a prebuilt SFF rig. Granted this is an apples to bananas to oranges comparison, but when it comes to SFF machines we need more options and this seems like an awesome addition for the consumer to pick from.
4:05 Certified ‘Linus Knock Tips’ Moment
well, you can say it's a no K-ompromise
(get it no i9-12900k)
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@@LetsGetPolitical_69 Cheers my dude, I had never opened a LTT video with no comments.
I still like that old form factor. I’m always buying those things off of Amazon. They’re about 300 bucks or whatever for a little i3 something or other with 16 gigs of RAM etc. Totally enough for little office computers
The thermal engineering in this NUC thingy is awesome! We should learn from this. Maybe there is a way to improve cooling in standard desktop PCs too using PCI slots!
You know what this can result into or become? A hybrid pc/console
A pc in a size of a console
With the modular design and the ease of plug and play nature of consoles
This could be unstoppable
Micro PCs can't compete on price tho
@@DelphinusMAch1
True tho
But it can work if someone like microsoft think it through
4:03 I'm saving this clip
might not be able to put an active m.2 drive in that bottom bay, but you COULD use it as cold storage, like a usb key or SD card etc as a backup for boot/restore... maybe keep something like a backup ubikey in there too or a HW crypto waller if you're into that stuff.
I remember how big and bulky office computers were here between the late 90's and early 2000's, and they were beige coloured, too. From 2007 onwards they all started to look that tiny computer you showed.
Glass panels and shiny leds are awesome, but i am all mesh all the time now. Don't even have to worry about thermals any more. It makes such a huge difference. I can see why they went that route.
2:22 the madman catches the PC without taking his eyes off the camera!
Damn, those ad transitions are still soooo good!
Next time you do something with a small system like this, could you report the weight?
Like, if I have to send a high performance computer around via UPS / FedEx how much bang for my buck am I getting in terms of weight over a big bulky gaming laptop?
I *think* the laptop is a better choice in terms of performance / weight and performance / size, but I might be wrong. And something like this has the benefit that I can check it and/or not pay extra to ship something with lithium batteries.
You'd be surprised where the cost difference lies between weight and size. Size of package actually has more to due with shipping cost now than weight alone.
Doesn't the gpu exhaust some hot air right next to where the air intake is for the cpu side? I wonder if 3d printing an extended external shroud would decrease thermals?...
Unrelated note im looking forward to tomorrows wan show, im sure Linus is gonna talk about the m1 ultra. I'm not a mac guy but im stoked for this chip. (prob wont buy one i just think its awesome they exist/will exist).
Mmm, that GPU on the shelf in the background the whole time until Mr. Tech Tips gets it. It's like finding out you did see Antonio in the general store in a previous episode of Schitt's Creek. I love me some continuity.
The cooling for that small of a case is pretty amazing. It’s surprising that they can do that but still have poor heat sinks that come with the CPU.
I’ve got an 11th gen NUC. It has this weird sleep/wake issue where the fans will ramp to 100% and the display will just stay off. So frustrating.
Have taken the entire thing apart to check for anything loose/unseated. Have reinstalled Windows twice, have updated everything I can think of, have tried multiple displays/cables/display out ports… Just keeps happening.
Huh. Didn't answer my question: does the 12th gen compute unit work in the 11th gen chassis? That's theoretically the whole point, right?
i was genuinely surprised they fit a full desktop socket in there, frikin awesome
Linus really had me at 8:07 with the sudden BLYAT
New graphs are looking amazing! The old ones now look it is from 20 years ago
Something like that might be great for video game streaming. Some streamers use dual PCs, and if the game PC is separate, you can install its own version of Windows and it won't show your main PC's notifications
wasn't the whole point of the compute element that you just needed to buy the compute element?
The other title was “The no compromises small form factor pc”
I don’t get why they moved the third NVMe slot to the back… instead of reusing the bottom port
You really should've kept with the bit and mosaiced the spot on the counter for the entire time.