The best HEMA equipment (Quality/Price) - Entry Level

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  • @BernasLL
    @BernasLL Рік тому +198

    The best HEMA equipment is the friends we made along the way.

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +22

      Awwwwwww

    • @BernasLL
      @BernasLL Рік тому +21

      @@FedericoMalagutti But the stuff we use to give those friends a beating is also pretty nice, generally.

    • @KoenvanGorpAstronomy
      @KoenvanGorpAstronomy Рік тому

      Nothing like a friend to take a few thrusts and cuts for you!

    • @Naki728
      @Naki728 Рік тому +3

      This is the most underrated comment

    • @patricksviola
      @patricksviola Рік тому

      Same

  • @Tanstaaflitis
    @Tanstaaflitis Рік тому +58

    In the US, baseball catcher's legs are popular. They cover the shins better than motocross or the Red Dragons you show. Most sports stores will carry them and they can be found in second hand sports stores.

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +12

      Sounds good! I like thin protectors I have to admit, so I would always go for my separate protectors while possible, but is a good choice to take in consideration!

    • @BernasLL
      @BernasLL Рік тому

      Looks good! But those retail for around 70 euros in Europe, and not many places sell them. Still, good tip.

    • @Tanstaaflitis
      @Tanstaaflitis Рік тому +9

      @@BernasLL I assumed baseball was less popular in most European locations compared to the US. But a useful note for Federico's US audience (I know we exist 😁).

    • @BalticTaavi
      @BalticTaavi Рік тому +1

      ​@@BernasLL where do you live? I got mine for around 40€

    • @BalticTaavi
      @BalticTaavi Рік тому +1

      ​@@Tanstaaflitis baseball protection in Germany is also very often used in the reenactment scene but I don't know how it is in HEMA

  • @MartinGreywolf
    @MartinGreywolf Рік тому +27

    I was a decidedly money-challenged student when I got into this sword thing, and if there are any among you like I once was, and are now spooked by the massive investment necessary, welcome to the comments section! Also, don't make any purchases before you talk to which ever club you want to join, because they can and often do lend some of the stuff you need. A lot of them may even not let you anywhere near sparring for a few weeks, and you can always make some sort of a deal - you can run a lot of drills with just a sword to see if this hobby is for you and something to invest into.

  • @sergireig
    @sergireig 6 місяців тому +5

    FACT: I bought a “special” knee and shin protection for longsword sparring some years ago for a tournament. A couple of months later I went to my father’s farm and he was using exactly the same for working. They were simple lumberjack protections for the legs XD

  • @badrequest5596
    @badrequest5596 Рік тому +30

    make sure to always check and patch any damage you see to on the soft parts of your gloves. some time ago my fedder went through my opponents glove during a thrust. i think he had a small hole or the material was too worn out, and the tip just punched through between the thumb and index and just above the hand. luckily nothing happened, he wasn't hurt, the sword went straight through and came out the other side. so patch and re-enforce where you notice the glove getting weaker. goes for other equipment as well, like jackets.

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +5

      Amen

    • @heirihunziker
      @heirihunziker Рік тому +1

      Friend of mine got his hand stabbed straight through right between the thumb and index finger (with a pair of SG mittens, but it could have happened with Spes too). The HF Black Knight gloves protect that area best so on my right hand, I'm using the HF gloves and feel very protected.

    • @badrequest5596
      @badrequest5596 Рік тому

      @@heirihunziker ouch... were they not using rubber tips?

    • @heirihunziker
      @heirihunziker Рік тому +1

      @@badrequest5596 It was a Regenyei feder with an intact rolled tip, just blasted through the glove and the hand - very luckily, no lasting damage. He wasn't wearing an underglove so that might have prevented the injury, and ever since that incident he's now wearing an underglove with the SG mittens.

  • @smokerxluffy
    @smokerxluffy Рік тому +9

    I've found it convenient to cruise through garage and clearance sales for old hockey/lacross gear for cheap. Go shin protectors and a nice set of elbow cups for less than 10e altogether.

  • @heirihunziker
    @heirihunziker Рік тому +9

    12:24 about gloves: The finger tips are much more covered inside the HF Armory Black Knight gloves compared to the Spes Lobsters or Kvetun Xiphosura and overall the HF offer a lot more protection than the SG gloves. Can really recommend the HF gloves for longsword, only problem is the thumb mobility which needs quite a bit of time for breaking in, especially for lateral movement.

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +6

      Looking forward to try a pair.

    • @Anodai
      @Anodai Рік тому

      @@FedericoMalagutti Have you had an opportunity to do so?

    • @NL-Chaos
      @NL-Chaos Рік тому

      ​@@FedericoMalagutti and did you try it yet or should we ignore it 😅

  • @Imdippinout
    @Imdippinout 4 місяці тому +1

    I only ever use the spes lobster gloves. Im a piano teacher and I can trust them fully to protect my fingers even during extremely heavy sparring.

  • @tristanr320
    @tristanr320 Рік тому +3

    Had a standard regenyei when I first got into HEMA, definitely too stiff but it was what was available in the US. switched to Sigi after hurting two of my club mates from the thrust.

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому

      Yeah, this is pretty common. When people start getting good at thrusting at some point what felt ok before gets a problem after

    • @christowers7307
      @christowers7307 Рік тому

      Thanks for mentioning it! I'm looking into all of these options, and appreciate the input.
      How does the customized regenyei compare to the sigi in terms of injury prevention? I want to avoid hurting friends if possible lol

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +1

      @@christowers7307 sigi is better imho

  • @salgarellius7434
    @salgarellius7434 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this amazing video

  • @IlBarbafluff
    @IlBarbafluff Рік тому

    About the black fencer sword: at around 20 euro extra price they can make it customized length

  • @onnimannimaki8846
    @onnimannimaki8846 Рік тому +3

    What do you think of superior fencing's protective gear?

  • @madkappa4428
    @madkappa4428 Рік тому +1

    In my opinion the pro set forearm protector from spes tends to not provide the appropriate protection for the radius bone in certain actions

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +1

      Forearm protectors are, in general, not an easy thing to find around (that's why I like gloves with integrated protection), anyway, I would say that it greatly depends from the shape of the arm. It may be that for some people the protection on "the inside" of the arm is not enough, but who has them in my club/among my student didn't had problems by now.

    • @madkappa4428
      @madkappa4428 Рік тому

      @@FedericoMalagutti you might be right, it could be just a me problem

  • @Vyrian89
    @Vyrian89 Рік тому +5

    In terms of combined knee/shin protection I've been using Kvetuns for a while now and they are great. They fit perfectly because they are custom measurements and they also wrap around the leg and have a little bit of ankle protection.

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +4

      It’s the only one I took in consideration but then I omitted it because I knew many people having problems with measures, but maybe now they fixed them! Anyway at some point I’ll consider trying them out.

  • @badrequest5596
    @badrequest5596 Рік тому +1

    Question about gorgets: how is that mini gorget? between that one and the light gorget from black armory which one would you say is more flexible while providing good protection?

  • @queltipobizzarro
    @queltipobizzarro Рік тому +1

    Very helpful video, thanks!
    In the past you recommended syntethic swords to begin, blackfencer's in particular, but here you mention only steel models, have you changed your mind or do you still regard them as a good beginner's choice?

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +1

      It’s good for clubs, but for the personal equipment it’s not worth wasting money in synthetic if possible

  • @johngilbert974
    @johngilbert974 Рік тому +2

    I see you recommend the Spes standard jacket, but use the Spes light personally. Do you recommend the light for beginners if it’s within their budget ? If not - would you recommend it for intermediate fencers or only for experts ?

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +5

      The light exchanges protection for mobility and lesser weight. It is fin when the experience increases, but it greatly depends also from the environment of training. The AP light can receive almost as much punishment as the AP in the parts where there is the foam inside of the pockets, but there are certain weak spots on the shoulders, upper arm close to the elbow etc where the protection is lesser.
      So it greatly depends, the factors are: Average club training intensity, club style (not historically speaking, but where people tend to hit in that club) and also experience of the fencer that uses it.
      So it may be “the best jacket ever” or it may be not enough at random. That’s why I advise the AP plus

    • @ultimomos5918
      @ultimomos5918 Рік тому +1

      I've had my Light for nearly two years and I've never had an issue with it. That said, you will feel hits in it. As Federico mentioned, there's no padding in the forearms, elbows, biceps, shoulders or clavicle. Aside from the clavicle those are generally more muscled areas of the body that can take a hit or thrust with little more than a bruise (unless your club mates just swing for the fences in which case you should tell them to stop lol). The body is padded and enough to take most thrusts/cuts (with the same force caveat I mentioned). You WILL need hard forearms and elbows though as there is no padding.
      I'd personally recommend the Light over the standard but then again, I don't mind superficial bumps and bruises. If the occassional bruise isn't something that will bother you I'd say go for it, you get much less heat buildup and much more range of movement for a minimal level of extra protection. If anything the feedback from less padding will improve your fencing over time but thats just my opinion. It's not the most beginner friendly jacket but hey, was serht das lehrt.
      Whatever you do just don't pay extra for the Pro version. The plates are completely useless and will fall off the second they're touched.

  • @SirKanti1
    @SirKanti1 Рік тому +3

    Given that there are the HF armoury and Kvetun gloves it's har dot recommend the Spes heavies imo these days.

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +1

      I never seen a HF glove around for now, so I can't advice it! But it looked bulky as the SPES so i left it out of the list, but if I find someone with them and I'll be able to try them out I'll definitely make a video about them.
      Kvetun are really good, better than SPES imho.

    • @SirKanti1
      @SirKanti1 Рік тому

      @@FedericoMalagutti That's fair. They are on par with the Kvetun in terms of bulkyness. I really like the thumb and the small cuff.

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +2

      @@SirKanti1 interesting, I'll consider them as I'm interested in buying a pair of plastic gloves for teaching purposes.

    • @heirihunziker
      @heirihunziker Рік тому +1

      I can compare all 3 gloves (Spes, Kvetun and HF) from personal experience and the HF are the best of the 3, followed by the Kvetun. Can't recommend the Spes lobsters anymore, poor durability and bulkiest of the 3.

  • @brennenderopa
    @brennenderopa Рік тому

    So browsing through the available options, why would you prefer a 350N jacket over a 800N jacket?

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +1

      800N is stiffer, harder to move into it. And if a blade of a Longsword breaks, it doesn't matter if you wear 350 or 800N, it will never re-establish the flex anyway and it will stab you. So Newton resistant fabric in our environment nowadays is not that important for the majority of weapons.

  • @Kais_14
    @Kais_14 Рік тому

    I’m confused why you didn’t compare the blackfencer steel feder to the other feders? Is there a particular reason?

  • @kg30004
    @kg30004 2 місяці тому

    Yeesh can’t even afford to start

  • @bjornhvidberg1479
    @bjornhvidberg1479 11 місяців тому

    I have one question about mask and overlay.
    Can I use the allstar mask with UNITY MASK OVERLAY NG 800N?

    • @bjornhvidberg1479
      @bjornhvidberg1479 11 місяців тому

      I mean of course UNITY LEATHER MASK OVERLAY

  • @francoisdauzon3107
    @francoisdauzon3107 Рік тому

    If you didn't mind saying, what size LP mask did you use, and what size overlay did you get for it?
    Just ordered a replacement mask and decided to try that one out after your video. My last overlay didn't fit my mask the way the SPES site indicated it should though, and I had to cut it up a bunch to make it work. Would be great to know what had worked for you.
    Anyways, thanks for the videos/info. Good stuff.

    • @tinteex9130
      @tinteex9130 Рік тому

      what backhead protector did you end up using with the lp mask?

    • @francoisdauzon3107
      @francoisdauzon3107 Рік тому

      @@tinteex9130 I got the PBT Knock-off of the SPES unity in the end (I think - that’s the uni-size one with an elastic band over the chin.)
      It fits fine, but is /so/ hot. I vastly prefer my old SPES Trinity, except for the fact that it didn’t fit as initially advertised and I had to cut it up.
      I’d suggest the Trinity. But can’t give any advice on sizing it for masks :(.

  • @skreek.o7
    @skreek.o7 4 місяці тому +1

    Get into hema for 2000 dollars kings

  • @marialinde344
    @marialinde344 Рік тому

    4:14 - the shipping costs are not higher "because of the war", but because of Russian aggression against Ukraine. That's what it is, according to the European Parliament (and reality). There are some Ukrainians who would love your channel and HEMA, but "unluckily" they can't buy a training sword, or anything else, because russians killed them.

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +6

      I honestly don’t understand the motivation behind this comment. I can’t influence reality as much as you can so, well, sorry for not wording a sentence as you wanted, I suppose.

    • @marialinde344
      @marialinde344 Рік тому

      @@FedericoMalagutti
      Words do matter, as people are being killed for them, for just calling Ukraine their home. If in this case you do not understand “the motivation”, then I will not be able to explain it to you. Generalizing or remaining “neutral” in a situation of genocide is also quite a statement itself. What I read out of your reply, is “I don't care” (good to know, though). Ignorance is not bliss, it's ignorance, however, it is all a matter of personal choice, of course.

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +1

      @@marialinde344 ok

    • @ProfessorShnacktime
      @ProfessorShnacktime Місяць тому

      @@marialinde344Ukraine is a proxy war that’s been set up by NATO and western powers since the early 2000s.

  • @dawnbreakerii204
    @dawnbreakerii204 Рік тому +3

    I don't understand why HEMA longsword has geared people towards finding swords that flex. The sword flexes so you don't hurt your partner, you say? This is quite odd bc I feel like you should train to always keep out of reach of a thrust, and this equipment will develop terrible habits in people as it will give them false confidence. "I don't need to be careful if the weapon literally cannot hurt me". If there is no incentive to be cautious of the weapons you are training to use, then you might as well be using toy lightsabres and roleplaying star wars while training, as you will likely see the same results. I myself am not wealthy enough to afford most of this gear, so for years I have used wooden swords and little to no protection. I find my training to be far different and much more cautious then what I see people doing in their fully decked out padding. When I train, I realize that one false slip and I'm getting thwacked with hardwood or getting the breathe taken out of me from a well timed thrust. It really does show perspective the difference that your gear can make and how you train. Also, Love the videos, keep up the good work, I have nothing against modern HEMA as a sport I just feel like it lacks intensity and also fails to translate to any real life situations, due to the gear.

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +17

      I trained for 5 years with stiff replicas and mask only or no pratections at all safe for a pair of leather gloves.
      I personally advice using protective gear.

    • @timhema5343
      @timhema5343 Рік тому +9

      Sorry, this is a biased approach. If you have unsafe training swords (and are not an asshole), you won't want to hurt your partners, so you'll end up training how to NOT hit them, or how to ALMOST hit them.
      It will develop bah habits and bad interpretations, as a lot of techniques need a bit of intensity to work properly.

    • @dawnbreakerii204
      @dawnbreakerii204 Рік тому

      If you train on how "not" to hit someone, you are a fool and a coward. The goal of training weapons is to learn to use real weapons, not to "score points". As for bad habits, the fear of getting hurt is what will develop good habits, as you won't do stupid and unnecessary maneuvers in combat, and if you do you run the risk of getting hardwood whopped across your head. What else is the point of training, other than to learn to defend yourself, and to use what you trained in real situations. If not for this, your just wasting your time. Well, unless you're specifically training to go to comp and score points ig. To each their own.

    • @timhema5343
      @timhema5343 Рік тому +7

      @@dawnbreakerii204 I train to hit my opponent, AND I don't want to hurt them, so I use safe training tools.
      I don't like the argument "if the weapons are dangerous, you'll learn how to defend better."
      If the weapons are dangerous, either you train seriously with intent and end up getting hurt, or you'll work at slow speed without intent.

    • @dawnbreakerii204
      @dawnbreakerii204 Рік тому

      @@timhema5343 okay first of all, I never said I wanted to hurt my opponent so you can drop that idea right there, second, I don't really care if you like my arguments or not? I'm not commenting so you'll like me dude i'm just giving an opinion. It's okay to disagree, but don't try to twist my words. You have your ways, I have mine.

  • @desdicadodog8452
    @desdicadodog8452 Рік тому

    HF armoury from Ukraine is top quality stuff. Look at their black Knight hema longsword gauntlets

  • @badrequest5596
    @badrequest5596 Рік тому +4

    for shell protections there are also the ones from MAC Armor which look quite nice with an medieval armor like design, and seem to get good reviews. Don't have any yet but plan on getting a couple just to check how they are. their site's prices are without taxes so keep in mind they will end up being more expensive than shown.

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +3

      Let us know how they perform if you get them.

    • @Steve-s.w
      @Steve-s.w Рік тому

      I can vouch for Mac Armour. Tried shoulders, elbows, shins and chest plates and you don't feel a thing in full contact.

  • @timhema5343
    @timhema5343 Рік тому +2

    I pretty much agree with your list.
    One caveat though : for gorgets, you had your mouse cursor over the Vytis gorget and you didn't mention it, it is criminal ! They are excellent in my opinion and much better than all the others I've tried (BA "Dmz", PBT, red dragon,...)

  • @rshaart4810
    @rshaart4810 Рік тому +1

    I can vouch for the SPES Vector vambraces under a tunic for early medieval re-enactment combat for those also considering them

  • @demingzhang7204
    @demingzhang7204 Рік тому +1

    made my own leg protection with 10-12 layer of linen and glue to start with,padded with some foam, more than capable of stopping a fede. Cost only time and well, glue and linen. The rest I dare not mess about.

  • @mattfick5502
    @mattfick5502 Рік тому +2

    This is a great list. I live in South Africa, so any purchase needs to be essential and highly researched.
    I'm interested in your take: what would you recommend buying for starting a club or a training group? I'd enjoy seeing a video on that

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +3

      Complex topic, I did a video years ago about starting an HEMA club but now is a bit outdated. I'll do one more focused on equipment and up to date soon.

    • @mattfick5502
      @mattfick5502 Рік тому

      @@FedericoMalagutti Thank you, that will be great to see.
      My approach has been based on 2 things: make it as easy as possible for anyone to come train, and buy 2 of everything

  • @Davlavi
    @Davlavi Рік тому +2

    Very cool.

  • @alinvid6098
    @alinvid6098 Рік тому +2

    What would be the best shop to buy synthetic training swords ?

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +5

      Probably Black Fencer ;-)

    • @alinvid6098
      @alinvid6098 Рік тому

      @@FedericoMalagutti ok thank you !

    • @christowers7307
      @christowers7307 Рік тому

      Hey! Looking for some advice. What's the main reason for choosing a synthetic over a steel sword?

    • @alinvid6098
      @alinvid6098 Рік тому

      @@christowers7307 I never sparred before and I have no more money to buy protective equipment so being hit with synthetic swords won't hurt so much as it would with steel ones... I already ordered 2 synthetic swords from Black Fencer ( I only had money for those )... they will arrive in a few days 🙂

  • @Rig0p
    @Rig0p Рік тому +1

    I hate being hit by black fencer swords. It hurts for a week when other sword you don't feel it a minute after.

    • @Rig0p
      @Rig0p Рік тому

      I use locust without the foam because it is less warm and I don't get hit on the thigh often.

  • @poja82
    @poja82 6 місяців тому

    I have a broken anvil gorget, its a southamerican brand, used to be based in Chile, now its in Argentina, incredibly good and very very comfy. I'm not in any wat payed to say this, just love the thing.

  • @cubirk
    @cubirk Рік тому

    i dont have money :c

  • @gianmarchioni
    @gianmarchioni Рік тому

    Hello Federico! Current prices for SIGIs are 330 for the standard and 350 for the concept. Do you think it is worth it to spend the extra 20 for the concept? Does the different shape offer better handling or thumb protection?

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +1

      The concept is slightly more nimble in exchange for some strength on blade contacts. That’s the most relevant difference technically. So it’s more about aesthetic and fighting style preferences

    • @gianmarchioni
      @gianmarchioni Рік тому

      @@FedericoMalagutti Alright, thanks for the quick reply!

  • @frankheninja1
    @frankheninja1 Рік тому +2

    Any good HEMA pants with elastic band/draw string? I’ve had no luck with the Velcro the most pants seem to use.

    • @FedericoMalagutti
      @FedericoMalagutti  Рік тому +2

      Unluckily I’m not aware of some with elastic bands, while I would probably like them too