Classical Composer Reacts to NO QUARTER: Led Zeppelin & Tool | The Daily Doug (featuring DJ Dan)
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- Опубліковано 14 гру 2023
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In this edition of #thedailydoug, I'm joined by my brother DJ Dan on his birthday to listen to No Quarter, the classic song from Led Zeppelin. First, I'm releasing my original reaction to Led Zeppelin's recording from Houses of the Holy that I recorded in February of 2022. Then, I'm chatting with Dan about Tool's cover before listening to it for the first time with him. It's an epic song! Come along for the ride!
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Zeppelin's albums were flawless. I've smoked an entire forest listening to this record over the years.
I swear this song is in reference to the fellowship of the ring. They go to the misty mountains the snow falls hard so they take the steps into moria where the dogs of hell.
Wouldn't be surprised, they have a few other LotR themed songs too
Over the hills and far away. Great song.
All great, but I would plump for the live version off The Song Remains The Same. It’s astounding.
the guitar solo played by jimmy is unreal.
yeah the song remains the same is THE VERISON
Much deeper.
Agreed
YES! YES! YES!
The Madison Square Garden concert version of this, by Zeppelin, is incredible.
It blows the studio version out of the water
Yup
The version of No Quarter on The Song Remains The Same by Zep just crawls into your head and is hypnotic and Tool's version is a tribute to the classics. Love it Doug!
yes. it must
be heard live.
tsrts.
John Paul Jones solo on The Song Remains The Same movie is just gorgeous. Not to mention Jimmy's guitar solo. (Paradoxically, I just mentioned it.) The visuals are pretty trippy too. There are several live versions of this over the years and some of them are quite jazzy by comparison.
The LZ live version has one of the greatest guitar solos ever.
JPJ is just so talented.
Drove home from work one night, it was late and dark and foggy, and no cars were on the highway. This song came on as I drove through the spots of light on the highway. No song has ever felt more right for a moment to me.
zeppelin were all ways more than the sum of their parts. beautiful.
JPJ just kills it on this track.
You must listen to this live Doug on The Song Remains the Same - one of the greatest guitar solos in rock music history - it is quite a bit different to the studio version and much longer
This is a philosophical song really, and one of my all time favs by LZ.
The end of the song with some of the final lyrics tends to tell the story because the people who must get through at all costs are bringing the future for us. In this case "No Quarter" is the old usage. No quarter means no safe passage if caught. It's either succeed or die. What death is depends on what the song is being applied to.
On a personal level this is about anyone when you take risk. You see your path, you take it regardless of the challenges because it will better your life, and in so doing the betterment of your offspring.
Or you could look at it from the point of a country, kingdom, etc..... The mission the people are on is critical, it must succeed.
No quarter, no surrender. It's all or nothing. To have have no quarter means a bad outcome if you don't succeed. To ASK no quarter is a much bolder statement. It means you accepted you win or die before you ever started and you will not ask for another outcome. This is more of a statement of "I will succeed".
Space, you nailed it. Modern music is compressed and has no space
Very little modern music has any soul... it no longer hits the heart. Sad.
Nobody can be Zeppelin!! No Quarter live 1973 full version is unbelievable!! JPJ was brilliant! I think this is about vikings
Both knebworth concerts contain a great version as does earls court 75
One of my favorite Led Zep tunes. And they always do it well live too!
Another shout out to John Paul Jones here.
Its the definite highlight of the hoth album and really takes on a life of its own on the various live records , superb
OH YES My favorite Led Zeppelin song AND one of my Favorite Bands doing one of the best covers Ever! LOVE THIS SONG
This is your favorite Led zeppelin song ???.. its definitely not mine.
As it's your favorite can you confirm it seems like this song is depicting the felloship on their way to Moria. It wouldn't be their first to reference LOTR
Perfect tripping song.
This track was iconic on the album which I rate as the best . To hear Tool put a different approach on it was brilliantly done .
You MUST do the led zep live at msg 1973....unrivalled
The traditional usage that you may hear, relating to a battle, would have been "No Quarter was asked... and none was given".
The origin, from what I've read previously, comes from the usual "code of conduct" in "civilized" European warfare, in which combatants would be allowed to surrender, would be taken prisoner, and would be fed and sheltered (referred to as "quarter").
This practice allowed prisoner exchanges at some point, and you wouldn't lose half the population...
So "Give no quarter" meant it was a battle to the death.
If you "asked no quarter", it would infer that you wouldn't be giving any either. 🧐
Quarter equates to mercy in this usage. If quarter was granted, the defeated would be captured rather than killed. To ask No Quarter is to expect to die at the hands of your enemy if you fail.
“No quarter asked, none given.“ is something you would say before you met your mortal enemy with whom there could be no compromise.
I think specifically this song's about the Battle of Edington where King Alfred won a decisive victory against the Vikings with no quarter asked or given
Oh, LedZep...I always come back to you❤❤
The Page & Plant track in the album of the same name is also amazing.
Great reaction fellas. IMO the version live from Led Zeppelin 73’ is above both here. Jimmy’s solo with Bonzo and Jones fulfills your soul fo sho.
It’s Vikings dude! You should really check out Led Zeppelin’s live version- this is tame compared to MSG 73 and O2 2007! Can’t be surprised since it’s four master musicians creating and improvising outstanding music.
That’s what I would think it is, talking about before & or after a battle.
Exactly, Viking explorers going out to find a better land.
The lyrics fit that.
@@user-ld3lq3bu7w Vikings didn’t fear dying in battle either, they didn’t give, nor did they expect mercy.
Fun fact about the keyboard sound John Paul Jones made here. Most people think it’s just a Fender Rhodes he’s running through some effects, but that was what he did to play it live. For the studio recording, he played a Hohner Electra upright electric piano and ran its signal through the filter of his VCS3 synthesizer and modulated the filter with a sine wave, which gives it the wobbly effect. And the fat synth bass are Moog Taurus pedals if anyone wondered.
JPJ is an amazing musician. He doesn't get enough credit for Zeppelin's sound.
oof
talked all the way through the most beautiful piano interlude. Feels bad man
Hi Dr. H. The “They” referenced in the song is a metaphor for the band. Led Zeppelin toured the U.S. extensively during the 70’s and went on some massive touring campaigns, spending months at a time away from home. They were giving No Quarter to other bands of the time, who got more favorable press coverage, but who couldn’t hold a candle to Led Zeppelin’s power and performance.
Also, the spacing you hear in your headphones is a testament to Jimmy Page’s studio production techniques and use of microphone spacing to achieve the effects you hear. He’s a master producer, for sure.
Lastly, I recommend you listen to No Quarter as part of a Trilogy, beginning with The Immigrant Song (LZ III), No Quarter (Houses of the Holy), & Achilles Last Stand (Presence).
never noticed this line between immigrant, no quarter and achilles. Yes , very clear
And those happen to be my top 3 favorite LZ songs ❤💥
i really recommend you to check out the live version on this song by Zeppelin. They heavily improvised in the bridge and outro of this song on their concertes, beeing one of their setlist big boys. My favorite one is the one Live at Knebworth 08.04.1979
John Paul Jones kills it on The Song Remains The Same
Yep TSRTS is the one that blew my mind and will always be the definitive version for me@@johnb2427
It was great to watch this double reaction to a song composed and played by two of my favorite bands, I am from Honduras, Central America, it is great to find out how universal music is a legacy, a jewel that can be heard for centuries and more, and no matter where you were born, the way you were raised, they manage to wake up the same feelings over people
Perhaps one day before 2030 Doug will finally discover that Hawkwind exists (especially their whole amazing back catalogue from 1970 to mid 80's)
I love Tool and Led Zeppelin, but No Quarter without JPJ keys is missing something.
The main keyboard line is an electric piano through an auto-wah. There's also acoustic piano in the solo section. And Page's mega-fuzz guitar is one of my all-time favorite guitar tones. Plant's vocal is slowed down and and flanged.
I had an ARP Synthesizer and one of the sounds you could use was called "Telstar" which sounded alot like the keyboard in "No Quarter."
No Quarter live from The Song Remains the Same is my favorite musical composition by Led Zeppelin with Jimmy's solo taking on a more jazzy feel for what I consider his most unique genre bending composition launching from arguably a Baroque style keyboards entry.
I wished you reacted to Zeppelins live version at MSG NY 1973 Vs Tool's live
I actually understood that according to Robert, it is a metaphor for the band on the road. The band is "They". The news? The music. They are talking about themselves. Watch "The Song Remains The Same" and Jonesy's vignette is about how they're 2 different people: The Rock Star and The family man.
I do absolutely love TOOL and this TOOL tribute but, to me, Led Zeppelin just has that little extra flavour that makes it stand on its own as one of the greatest songs ever!
Such a phenomenal cover of an already phenomenal song. Faithful, but tastefully adjusted in both emotive quality and these small sonic emergences of each of Tool's individuals members bringing in the Tool sound. Then making a few major additions towards the end of the song in such a respectful hybrid of both their styles. Wish Tool could release a few more covers of songs that are near and dear to them.
Please listen to the live version from The Song Remains the Same. SO much better!
I have always wanted to know what you thought of this song which I consider it a Masterpiece. No Quarter and The Rain Song are my absolutely favorite songs from Led Zeppelin.
This is my fav LZ album and that's because I listen to the entire thing minus a song or two. That's also true of LZ1 and 2 but I like a couple songs off this album the best including the opening song.
Doug reacted to the entire Houses of the Holy album on Patreon.
I love Doug. Coolest guy! A classical nerd who appreciates genius from everyone.
Great episode!
Have y'all done Green Manalishi?
The band Train did a full cover of Zep 2. It's worth a listen.
I’m seeing tool On January 3 at Oklahoma City
"They" are the Kindred spirit of of Knights, Soldiers, Warrior's, Trauma Nurses, Parents Love....Name it any way you wish.... Timeless Bravery
Not familiar with Tool, so will need to investigate. Very impressive cover to a great piece of music. Tony from Australia
I would like you to review music by Ryuichi Sakamoto. For example, Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence.
33:00 YES !!!
Still think it is imperative that you do a Led Zeppelin/Ann Bredon/Janet Smith multiversion analysis of "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You." In the immortal words of Hans & Franz, "Hear me now and believe me later, etc..."
Salival is pronounced like "saliva", which also allows it to have "live" said within it (it's mostly a live album).
Yup!!
The album packaging for Salival was a black cardboard box with a tiny gray square in the center, the approximate size, shape, and color of a standard tab of acid. Of course, one administers LSD by placing the paper tab on one's tongue and dissolving it in saliva. To quote the song Merkabah, "it's some kind of... psychedelic experience."
Mail Carriers...? 🤨🤣
Warriors of some sort, being pursued relentlessly, but pushing through harsh weather (snow) and many perils (dogs of doom), in order to alert their people to the danger, so that together they can fight valiantly to vanquish this fearsome foe...
Some wonderful dissonant chords in there.
the live zep version from msg73 is incredible
Y'all should really do Tool's cover of Peach's 'You Lied' , It's better than great! Peach is Justin Chancellor's former band, Tool's bassist.
Great Zep tune... Surprising cover I haven't heard before... Awesome... Good pick bro Dan... Oh yeah... Happy b-day too.
No Quarter? Good luck getting a shopping cart at Aldi.
My thoughts exactly. LOL
19:38 The live version by Led Zep is much "rockier". It's my favourite live track by them.
The Tool version sits in between the two in terms of "stadium rock" sound.
This song reminds me of a dog sledding explore'rs in the Artic circle, or somewhere far North.
Happy Bday DJ Dan 🎉🎂🥳🎈🎊🎁
Happy Birthday, D.J. Dan! 🎂
have you listened to or experimented with plini at all? steve vai has given him praise and i absolutely adore the atmosphere he creates. selenium forest is probably my favorite track, but its hard to pick anything over the rest. every piece matters is super stripped down but still fantastic. pan has a lovely sax solo. kind has an incredible riff/melody. handmade cities / electric sunrise are just a masterclass as well
3:10 You are the Professor !!
Pretty good cover
No matter the song you can always pick out Tools sound
I’d like to hear you talk about how beautiful and unique the drums sound… it’s the bands identity almost as much as Robert Plant!
Also: maybe you’d consider doing an ‘Indy’ episode once a month?
You should add Crowbar No Quarter as well, as a note on minimalism. Crowbars version is darker and more meaty than Tool's version while Tool's is more dynamic. Both are loyal to the original, but I note that contrasts in vocals also play a part as much as the instrumentation.
"... this could be a Tool song", Mystic Doug strikes again,
Of all the songs in their vast catalog, this song played live had the broadest range of variation from night to night....even more than Dazed and Confused. Jones would solo with piano concertos, funk, R+B, anything....and every night was completely different.
As a Led Zepp fan I was worried, then I heard it then I heard it😊
The live version of No Quarter on The Song Remains The Same album is much better than the original on Houses of the Holy, which has some howlers it has to be said. The band peaked with the fourth album.
Waiting for a full KID A reaction!!!
Page used a vari-speed pitch control device on the tape to slow it down a half step to C#m. Live they played it in the recorded key of Dm. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Quarter_(song)
Thank you for posting this information!
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This one is the Dm version.
I second/third/whatever the SRtheS version, though I did see it performed live at Knebworth...sigh. Quarter in this case I think is meant in the old battlefield sense - no mercy. The Tool cover is absolutely mindblowing (*whispers very quietly*) I think I might like the Tool version even more.
Doug didn't know the sounds of the Mellotron as well back then. The keyboard, I explained, is most likely the Hohner Electra Piano (not to be confused with the RMI Electra-piano).
At 23:40 and for about 45 seconds,reminds me of Dave Navarro of Jane's Addiction on Three days,,,
Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones, Robert Plant, Approve this message! Only Tool would have the balls to do this song justice. I think they nailed it...
I was just hearing No Quarter right now and saw this 😂
It's the double Doug!
Yayyyy
I would advise the TSRTS for the best rendition of this song (uncut please). If you dig the JPJ's piano, the live at knebworth is the deal.
I consider Tool to be like Trance Grunge. They take the time to delve into their hypnotic rhythms and explore. I'll never put them in the upper echelons of Rock but will admit that what they do, they do very well. No Quarter is perfect for them as it injects song writing flare that is otherwise often a little lacking in their music. Great cover. Saying Tool is the modern day Pink Floyd is like saying Oasis was the modern day Beatles. Yah not quite 🤣
I was in college and was introduced to the Tool cover as "this is the best cover you will ever hear".
They weren't far off.
I saw Tool play this in about 1995
Unless you have already listened to it, you should do a back-to-back with Peach - You Lied and Tool's cover also off of Salival. Peach is Justin's first band. It's already a really awesome tune, but then of course Tool makes it their own. Totally worth a listen, again if you haven't already heard You Lied from Salival.
Loved this reaction, great work!
In the quiet sections, there's a breathy frailty and vulnerability in Robert Plants voice that gives space and sense of foreboding between the grinding riff and the howling moaning wolf cries. He makes the character so believable. JPJ gives so much air on piano that adds a false sense of security to the mood, where normally a guitar solo might fill. Jimmy does do a nice surf guitar thing though, to texture up the flying piano bit.
The layers are simply worked but devastatingly powerful by the discreet separation of space and appropriate claustrophobia. Led Zep created a totally original sound on this song for which there is no equal, in its time or since.
For me, Tools version, though a worthy cover, is a little bit of compressed overkill. I can even hear Soundgarden echoed in this version.
This is my favorite Led Zeppelin song.... and Tool still did it better🤷🏻♂️🤘🏼
I wish once upon a time Doug would make a reaction video to Swans or Death in the forthcoming Daily Doug episode
I love pretty much all Led Zeppeling songs but this one always sounded off to me.. it sounded like the song written by them but not "for them", can't explain it really well.. but then I started listening to Tool and heard their version and everything made sense.. the song was just perfect for their style and in my humble opinion they performed the song to it's full potential.
If you do side by side comparisons again I might suggest Achilles Last stand Led Zep/ Temple of the Dog (Chris Cornell/Pearl Jam). Yes it might need to wait so you don't do the same thing twice but it was a regular part of their set when they toured in 2017. There's multiple shaky cell phone videos of that song but I think they did a faithful cover from a bunch of guys who truly love Led Zep.
I read in Hammer of the Gods, a book about Led Zeppelin, that the "they" in "No Quarter" refers to Led Zeppelin themselves.
The origin of the phrase ‘give no quarter’ comes from the ancient practice of sparing the lives of enemy combatants who have come into one’s power. In a war, sometimes one army would take prisoners from the other side. They would give or “grant quarter” to these prisoners. In other words, they’d have to find somewhere for the prisoners to live while imprisoned. If army leaders commanded their soldiers to give no quarter, this meant to take no prisoners. In other words, kill all the opponents, even if they surrendered. Pirates usually used a Black Flag the jolly roger to symbolize No quarter in an attempt to frighten the other ship into surrender instead of battle. No quarter was used during the middle ages.
Lyrics
They hold no quarter (They don't show mercy) They ask no quarter (They don't ask for mercy) Without quarter (Without mercy) Taking no quarter (Not giving any mercy) so the song states they are not going to take prisoners and they are not going to surrender but fight to the death to get the message through. Led Zeppelin quite often were inspired by Norse mythology and Lord of the rings.
Now you need to hear the ultimate version of this song: Dread Zeppelin's No Quarter Pounder.
Thankyouverymuch.....
Although I preferred Heartbreaker Hotel...
"Classical Composer Reacts to DOOM: BFG DIVISION | The Daily Doug (Episode 656)" made me think about "Animals as leaders" ....i highly suggest them 😎😉
I thought there was some reference to Lord if the Rings. The path where nowhere goes would be Aragorn's way through the path of the rhe dead. The message thatust get through could be the call to the Rohorrim, or many other messages rhat must get throufg in LOTR. Anyhow, lotsorw could be said. True fama will get it.
You should react to Amadeus, composing confutatis
You have some good air drumming skills Dr. Doug! 🥁
i like the fact that TOOL gets the same vibe but with no keys. that’s a credit to Justin Chancellor who fills all those nuances like a keyboard
Phish has played this song quite a few times over the last few years. Worth checking out.