@@sh4li8i6 It would most likely be a sarcastic response to toxic masculinity like "Hey friend I need you to explain to me like a 'weak emotional girl' why you're feeling so depressed this week, I want to help you out and I'm not going to tell you to just 'toughen up' like the other guys." This probably doesn't sound good but you're asking me to invent a clever comeback out of thin air.
Ishowspeed is such a problem. His whole fan group of 13 year old boys who don’t know how to act, or treat people with respect are the worst community ever. And if we talk about his sexist issues and voice our opinions, we are deemed as ‘snowflakes.’ They need to learn that being sexist is not funny, verbally abusing a woman over a game is not a joke, and even calling that other poor player a ‘monkey’ is not deemed as a light hearted joke.
womp womp, he literally acts like that with everyone lol, also when women are toxic to men y'all are saying "YeAH sLaY quEeN", but when the roles are reversed y'all cry.
Jesus, iShowSpeed went from a streamer who's known for playing 'Talking Ben', to people saying he needs to seek help because he's been streaming too much, to such an aggressive guy people need to avoid.
the ishowspeed video scared me.. he's so violently angry towards women, it's not because he's young or is experiencing racism, it's just pure hatred and sexism.
He doesn't actually have any hate towards women etc. It's like filthy frank. Ishowspeed is a character of which he uses to entertain his audience. Now him being misogynistic, etc isn't cool. And him playing a character is no excuse but the real issue here is the stress of being so young and so popular and feeling like u have to top every crazy thing u say with something crazier to keep the popularity around. The girl and her friends were also very racist in the game so I highly doubt she was upset by what he said. I Also find it weird how we just assume the girl was innocent without looking for further context other than the short clip we are shown. Gamers in general male or female are very toxic. This situation isn't one of the situations where speed lashed out on a woman just minding her business playing the game. She was racist he was misogynistic I'd say they are even this time around
No nigga, he is 17. You want him to be perfect when his audience ridicules him over everything he does, and mocks him for having a dead aunt. He's probably sad and now we doing this to him bro
Im sorry but the fact that you felt the need to be that beholden to pacify Dream stans in order to not get harassed says a lot about how he handles any responsibility regarding his fans. I don’t care how big the following is if so many people feel comfortable “destroying” people in their honor they are not doing a great job of conveying the idea that they don’t tolerate or endorse that behavior.
the thing is he tries to do this. He's said hundreds of times that he hates people who attack, harass, dox. There comes a time where you have to realize there is nothing more the man can do. His own fandom wont listen to him. He's literally just stuck in this position and it sucks.
I’m genuinely scared that 99% of the guys in my school watch and support ishowspeed and they feel like it’s normal to talk and behave that way, yet the moment a girl speaks they get so personally offended and go insane
Fr ! It's like they can't even think on their own. Haven't they asked themselves what speed is doing wrong ? Don't they have a mother , sister that they love ? It's scary how easily influenced they are.
This is why I, a woman who greatly enjoys video games, never play online games and why I'm also very particular about which videogame UA-camrs I follow. Toxic gamers are to be found everywhere, but some channels, especially smaller ones, have a relatively wholesome and welcoming community.
as someone who’s a dream fan you covered this really well and I completely agree with your opinion. even though i’m a fan of him i can admit when he does wrong or when things need to change and you remained very unbiased so thank you!
Exactly, I’m a fan of dream but I don’t agree with he’s actions at all and Im not a fan of dream stan but I don’t get mad at someone who addresses things that my favourite person did I won’t criticise them for doing that
I've been in many fandoms that I have to keep secret from my real life because I know if ppl knew I was "one of THOSE kids" then they'd never let me see the end of it. it sucks tbh :/
Exactly! I feel like nick did a really good job showing the unbiased perspective. Dream does stupid stuff for sure but there are his fans to keep him on check. The quiet few that hold him accountable are often pushed down but yk atleast we're here lol
I think this is the best Dream take I've heard so far, because it seems most unbiased. Mostly, I only see people having extreme hate toward him or extreme loyalty, so seeing this is refreshing.
womp womp, he literally acts like that with everyone lol, also when women are toxic to men y'all are saying "YeAH sLaY quEeN", but when the roles are reversed y'all cry.
that dream livestream just shows how disconnected he is, people wanting to feel safe in their own homes is perfectly normal and any risk is still a risk (also he shouldnt talk about how they shouldnt be worried and how low the chances are when he LITERALLY HIDES HIS FACE)
I love the compassion that nick approaches people. He understands the reality of being a human in the crazy situations that present themselves being a creator or 'influencer' in the hellscape that the internet can be today.
I love how Jason literally said, "I'm not a misogynist, so you shouldn't act like a girl (derogatory) by not backing me up on that." Like... you're not helping your case here, my guy.
Says he not sexist towards women but then immediately uses “girl” as an insult. As if a man being feminine or “acting like a girl” is wrong or weak. Hmm.....Definitely not a misogynist.
The fact that misogyny is so normalized, ESPECIALLY in the gaming community, is gross. Grown men are on twitch using “b*tch” as a synonym for woman, and displaying that sort of behavior to their young/teen audiences who will 9/10 do what they do. It’s disgusting.
christ, that jason r guy is really… insufferable??? "you were supposed to be a friend of mine" that doesnt mean he has to defend **every. single. thing** u do like.. 😭😭
Just a small shout out to tarik, literally never heard of him before but his reaction to this was amazing. 'i don't know why you dodge girls in queue but it's WEIRD' amen lmao
big ups to tarik to standing up to his “friend.” men calling other men on their misogynistic bullshit is vital, and he did a great job both explaining his stance and standing his ground.
Idk if JasonR is a misogynist but the reason he doesnt play with women is because of something with his wife. From what i've heard his wife doesnt like him talking to other women at all, this was a thing a few years back as well I think
@@hampusjohansson2497 considering he used girl as an insult and lost his shit instead of just explaining or leaving at least implies that he probably is a misogynist 🤨
Jason is so stupid he’s like “you’re an L friend because you didn’t tell people that I’m actually not a misogynist” then proceeds to do and say misogynistic things 🤦🏽♀️ anyway Tarik is a W person
There's even more clips of ishowspeed saying disgusting things to women. The one that sticks with me since I've seen it is where he's on stream video calling a female streamer, asks her if they were the last two people on earth would she have sex with him. When she says no (because obviously) he says "who's gonna stop me?" He kept repeating it, it was super gross, basically saying he would r*pe her if no one was around to stop him. I don't know how old the clips are, or if he has made some kind of response or apology for those in particular, but major red flags and just gross as hell.
omg thats video comes to mind whenever i think of ishspeed its less than a year old and the way his fans excuse his behaviour is unbelivabe I belive at a certain age everyinthing you say or do is a CHOICE.
@@agentminajatrois7840 right, his fans reactions make it so much worse, and thats saying a lot from all the messed up clips there are. Its a cesspool of broken and toxic behaviour and the fact they are all laughing and defending him is literally scary
@@Dr.E7HER back in the 360 days it was the same. I’d have guys threaten sexual assault and tell me to go make a sandwich/get in the kitchen on a daily basis. It’s not a new thing, it’s just continuing to be allowed in gaming spaces because those men on the platform back each other up and normalize it. I’ve had small children yell some of the most sexist remarks at me while a bunch of grow men cheered the child on. Not a new thing, you may just only notice it now.
"i had a bad day" IS NOT AN EXCUSE. it will NEVER be an excuse in any case. wether it's racism, misogyny, ableism, homophobia or whatever, even a crime, ITS NOT AN EXCUSE!
Honestly, seeing Jason's friend talk to him and being like "no, I'm not going to defend you, I don't know if you're sexist" made me happy and hopeful for the future. Idk, gamergate was not too long ago, and there are still so many online misogynists like Fresh and Fit, but to see a normal adult man just shut down someone who he considered his friend just made me so happy and hopeful.
Absolutely this. Some friend groups tend to be very toxic in the sense that you're all the best of friends as long as you let everyone say and behave however they want whenever they want with no backlash. If one of these people *does* speak up then it's just because they're too "sensitive", "can't take a joke" or they're "a simp". This tends to be most prevalent in men's circles. I was talking about this with my brother and he said it wasn't true because a group of men he knew "supportively" dog-piled on a woman (that only one of them had ever met) for "playing games" because she didn't think it was working out romantically with the guy she was dating. Like, dude, that's not a supportive friend group. It's easy to trash talk people you don't know. What's hard (but a sign of *genuine* friendship) is when genuine criticism can be given and received without ending said friendship.
@@stop-- reading this, they just sound so immature and tribalistic. I’ve been there actually. Like things my friends did sometimes just didn’t feel right with me but confronting people about it would never lead to nothing and I just stopped arguing. I ended up growing up and then moving, distancing from them. These days they actually seem better grown up. At least, I hoped so
Tarik is a great dude. He was a pro CSGO player for Cloud9 before whatever he does now. He was the tournament MVP for their huge Eleague Major win in 2018 and I still remember how crazy and exciting that was as a fan. Glad to see he's a stand-up guy outside the game too.
Yes! I’ve heard of Tarik before but I never really watched him or had an opinion on him but my respect for him really grew from this! I’m glad he stuck to it and didn’t just defend his friend because he was a friend.
When I was 14-15 i got doxxed for the first time. I wasn’t a huge creator, i was a little girl who rejected a man’s advances. I was swatted 4 times, pizza sent to my house, my grandmothers bank account was hacked, someone called my school and reported i was sh-ing in the bathroom, had inappropriate packages show up to my house, i was threatened with that same dox for years to come. It doesn’t matter your age or fanbase size, doxxing can harm anyone.
I think The Jason situation is a perfect example of how men can really help with the fight against the patriarchy and misogyny. Call out your male friends and take accountability. Men listen to men. I honestly think this is why so many people were against Jason is because men were against it and therefore other men followed which is great we need this more.
Agreed!! It's definitely frustrating that it takes MEN standing up against misogyny for other men to listen, but I truly appreciate the guys who called JasonR out, especially Tarik since they were friends. gives me a lot of hope.
@@masterpieceofsunset61 I’m gonna need you to read my comment again and tell me what made you feel you needed to say this. Right now you sound like you’d fall under the same category of men who’d support Jason, and if I were you I wouldn’t want that. Bit embarrassing please check yourself 😊 also misogyny comes from no basis, it’s hating women for their sex, it’s bias. Misandry is women’s response to generations of hate, discrimination and abuse at the hands of men. Bit different ♥️
Am I the only girl genuine scared by the speed guys actions. Like he was SO very mad and also comfortable talking to women like that, I can’t imagine him handling his emotions better in person when face to face with a woman he doesn’t think is respectful enough of him ???
@@jominil you can get successful off real behaviour too especially when your community validated and supports those disgusting ideals. And even if it is an act, you’re still loudly hating on and being violent towards women, as a woman I don’t care what the context is
@@jominil I wasn’t implying you weren’t simply stating why it affected me. As it does to the still going fight for equality, but it doesn’t HAVE to matter to you; it still matters to me??? Like people CAN have different opinions and yours is genuinely not the only one??? (Also for someone who doesn’t give a shit about what others do you’re sure using logical fallacies to argue a strangers opinion)
That Jason R argument with his friend was jaw dropping. It is a clear demonstration of how this unspoken "bro code" works and how sexism and misogyny keep being perpetuated and normalized. It's kinda scary tbh.
Cant speak for others and obviously for other countries, but where im from, if my friends see me being sexist towards a woman, racist towards a black dude or anything else that is highly disgusting behaviour, I would get my ass beat by them. So i dont think the bro code means always supporting ur friends no matter the fucked up shit they do, maybe in the US it does idk, but most dudes would get their ass beat id imagine
Yeah bro code is like “dewd dont SNITCH on me if i MURDER a [slur] bcus thats GAY and FEMALW behavior AUGH” Girl code is “protect and love eachother ❤”
@@Kenos444 I'm not from the US and I've seen this kind of thing happening over and over again throughout my life. Both in my personal life and in media. Maybe you just don't notice because it doesn't directly affect you, but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Misogyny is incredibly prevalent worldwide, women and girls die every single day because of it. I think it's kinda tone-deaf to say "most dudes would get their ass beat" for saying sexist shit. If that was true, then we wouldn't have systemic misogyny and sexism.. still
@@mariana9991 No im aware sexism happens all the time but simplifying it by saying the "bro code" is the same as not snitching on ur bois no matter the situation is totally wrong. That only applies to the trash of society and not the average person. Ik that a lot of dudes probably told you "you ugly anyway" after u rejected them, but thats not a problem only men have. Most girls will tell a dude who rejects them "i bet u gay as hell anyway" so lets not act like its an issue where solely men are to blame. We all are and we need to grow tf up out of that immature behaviour. Like, look at Moss boss's reply, it seems like they have never interacted with a man in their whole life and 30 people liked that comment. Both parties are to blame and need to do better. Not trying to excuse sexism or any other toxic behaviour and i hope i could brubg that across with english being my 3rd language.
@@Kenos444 can confirm that no girl I would ever associate myself with would say that. So maybe you shouldn't associate yourself with those types of dudes
I think it's cause his fanbase consists of a bunch 'edglord' teenagers who will defend him no matter what.. also many people only know him from the short memes like the ben ones & dont actually watch his streams so without knowing full context they would probably defend him since he's grown popular thanks to memes
Wait fr???? I thought he was like playing a persona type thing n found him funny during the ben and angela and tom stuff but I haven't seen anything outside of those streams.
right?? in fact the first clip of him i ever saw was that one rape joke where he was like “who gon stop me” and i remember being like “wtf is wrong with this guy??” and everyone just laughed it off as a joke and i was so pissed off
@@lolaishotasf I saw a clip like that. It really didn’t come across as a joke since the woman he was saying it to didn’t seem to be in on it or amused, and he just started repeating it more loudly and with a more aggressive tone. It creeped me out but I think making people feel uncomfortable and potentially even unsafe is the intent of such “jokes”.
I'm a female and I've experienced sexism in my life. It didn't make me racist. I've never been like, "I've been discriminated against, so I'm going to go discriminate against someone else." I'm not sure how people posting racist things makes someone turn to, "All women are bitches." But that's just me. 🤷♀
yeah its almost like women got their rights last. smh. really anyone can be any kind of -ist. hell even some women somehow manage to be sexist against their own sex
I'm sorry I don't know why but hearing 'im female and I've experienced sexism in my life' made me cackle 😭 i think its just because its something that usually goes unsaid (because every woman experiences it). Also ur comment is 100% !!!
And some of us are women and black so you can imagine how much of a stretch his argumentation is. We deal with racism and sexism. What he said hurts us as much or even more because his part of our community. It's a lame excuse from an emotionally stunted boy. A misogynistic one at that.
As a young girl and a past fan of Ishowspeed it’s scary seeing someone I watch and think is funny shout at a women for simply talking. I understand how being young and being watched by millions of viewers can put you under stress especially when there are thousands of haters along side it but saying all the women in the room should bow down to him is sickening.
@@lordzoro4568 He doesn't need to just tone it down, man needs THERAPY! Like how does he seriously say that stuff, especially as a man?? Nah thats a deep seeded issue rooted in misogyny both from him and society... therapy either way lmao
as a boy and also an ex-fan of speed, all of this stuff really isn’t funny. sexism is not funny. anyone who does should go to hell tbh. speed really needs help. i’m sorry for all of this.
@@bunniesbuns9931 in my opinion I think he’s blinded by all the clout and little kids watching and cheering him on. He’s gotten famous off that so he keeps going not seeing anything wrong with what he’s saying, I don’t actually think he’s misogynistic or a bad guy deep down, I think he just needs to reevaluate his character, but I could be totally wrong, just wanna give him the benefit of the doubt as I don’t wanna assume the worst of people, and yes I think therapy would do wonders for him.
ishowspeed has been enabled from the start. He's been live cussing out his mom, threatening girls who reject him, cussing out women, going on e-dates where he lies about his age(he was 16) and sending harrassment to his ex's. But the people I get most angry at are the adult men who go on these e-dates with him, see that he's a young, ignorant kid with extremely warped morals, and still give him the clout and push he needs to gain a larger fanbase.
I was a fan of speed for ages he was pretty funny, but with the rape jokes, mysoginy, the horrible fan base and being a bit homophobic I stopped supporting him. Also most of the guys in my year at school are fans of him and honestly I’ve noticed them being worse to women and about the LGBTQ+ community. I don’t think speed understands the influence he has on people.
@PATRICK "He's got a sister and a mother, therefore, he can't be mysoginistic." Everyone has a mother. If not, we wouldn't be biologically born. That argument is weaker than wet paper. As for when he's been mysoginistic. Just the clips put in this video are enough evidence. The way he reffers to women as "females" is a common convention in incel dialect. The use of the tired old joke of washing dishes and the comment of "If you're a female on this server, you should bow down" are comments that indicate an idea that women should be subservient and relegated to house-keeping activities, a belief held by incels.
The rage and hatred in ISHOWSPEED's eyes when he was yelling about 'females' is terrifying. I've never seen such vile hatred, genuinely made me uncomfortable and scared. Fuck that.
His fanbase is worse than him I see alot of clips of his fans purposefully trying to get him pissed off or sometimes try to make him cry by saying insensitive stuff, I lowkey think he needs to go to therapy. Hes funny sometimes, but most of the time he's really bad
The ishowspeed dude has an even worse moment where he asked a woman on a dating stream if they were the last two on earth - if she would bang him. She said no. He then went on a rampage of saying “who’s gonna stop me?” Over and over and over It was disturbing.
Yeah i watched it and he had made the joke and i was like "oh that's a little funny if the girl is in on the joke" but then he kept repeating it. Over. And over. And the girl looked really uncomfortable and then i realized it wasn't a joke 😐
It’s even worse that people try to defend it being like: “Guys. It’s just a character. It doesn’t reflect him as a person.” It doesn’t matter, if you’re hurting or making people uncomfortable “as a character” you’re still hurting or making people uncomfortable.
@@SNK_LRD "officer please, you're all just taking my bomb threat too seriously! i wasn't REALLY going to blow up all those kindergarteners! what do you mean that's a felony? I was just playing a character!"
@@gottablast2438 you're so funny haha, I bet your parents are proud of you and definitely don't wanna send you to the adoption centre and regret giving birth to you. 💞
There is absolutely NO WAY that that first thing wasn't him drawing blackface. That's so fucking stereotypical there's no way in hell it was an accident
i think he started it as blackface and did the lips and then in his mind realized, "shit i probably shouldn't do this" and went with the joker but was too stupid to realize that that makes it worse. Also i like to imagine him watching the clip multiple times over to see what he could say the guy resembles as a coverup. he's just sitting there like, "i could say i was trying to do the poop emoji, nope that's even worse, WAIT i got it, i could say i was doing mr potato head!!!!"
You may disagree with me but I don't think Soda drew the blackface out of blatant racism, but moreso out of being a complete idiot and not thinking about what he was doing. The mr. potato shit was obviously bull and a hilariously bad excuse. That being said, this does show his racist tendancies. Implicit or not.
The amount of misogyny in the gaming sphere is insane. And then gamers wonder why "normies" don't take them seriously and label them as women-hating basement dwellers. Dude... it's because you are.
and then they go off saying that women “have it easier” in game lobbies etc. or that “misogyny doesn’t exist” but they don’t see it because they are the ones being misogynistic and sh*t talking at women on a game for no apparent reason. it really sucks
And then when women talk about how so many men In the gaming community are misogynistic they go “not all men” it’s a hell lot of men that’s for sure id even say majority
dream, no matter his stance on doxxing, should NOT be directly tagging accs (especially smaller ones) knowing that his fan base has an issue with doxxing. he should know as a larger creator that not everyone is gonna like him, and if he acts like this every time someone tries to critique or speak against him i’m not so sure he should have that large of a platform
Whether or not Dream is malicious, it can’t be glossed over that he’s insanely irresponsible with his power. Kinda makes a huge part of his DSMP character where it’s “abuses/manipulate the child members in the server to get his way” feels like a very weird power fantasy when you see his tweets about how he feels satisfied when people private their accounts.
@@SNK_LRD This, & the superiority complex aspect of his character... Are uh... REALLY starting to seem like they're not just fictional character traits.
“Jason sees women as different people when he plays video games because he can’t disconnect the way he sees the entire gender romantically and sexually“ holy cow, well-stated
Ishowspeed does what i'm most scared of. I feel grossed out just hearing him scream. I love to play video games and i'm in a lot of sports team like baseball and football that are mostly dominated by men. I always play in mix teams as i find it fun to have a diverse team but when ever i hear a guy on the other team pass comments at me saying of course the girl is bad. For every little mess up i do, it stresses me out cause now what ever i do all they'll see me as the proof "woman are weak". Can't we women just be treated as humans. We aren't below men, we are humans like them. (Btw i know not every guy is like that)
Wait. Wasn’t IShowSpeed in this twitch dating game where he was incredibly sexist (and threatened r*pe) towards the woman who said she wouldn’t have sex with him if they were the only two people on earth?
Yeah.. that happened. Way before all of this stuff too, and while lots of people do care and try to call him out, I notice they're usually blocked out by Speed's fans
That question is so stupid cause ur kids would have to have kids with eachother. He should just say: U interested in me? And if she said no, he should’ve moved on.
As someone who used to be a dream stan, I think everyone knows that what he’s doing is irresponsible and simply not okay. Most of the fans defending him are only doing so because they think way too highly of the man
yeah same here, the worst part is that he’s not necessarily a terrible person, but it’s gotten to a point where he’s stupid with his fame and he knows the power he holds against anyone against him
i agree with you and the person who commented above me, i hope one day he takes at least a year break from the internet and start to realize and maybe manage his fanbase more maturely rather than letting them loose like a bunch of wild ass dogs attacking and barking at people
@@wisteriafleur3522 i wish they were 14 yr old children, at least we could hope they'll grow out of it. most of the people defending him are over 16/17 which is concerning
honestly, I've been a fan of ishowspeed for about a month, and I've been realizing the jokes he started making about rap*ng little girls and sexist "jokes" in his recent videos i just went over. then later (i just seen this,) he makes an apology for those things, brings up about 7 excuses, says he is making no excuses, then CONTINUES to talk, constantly, about rap*ng girls and sexist remarks towards women just because they are a woman. As a woman myself hearing this come from such a hugely loved creator makes me incredibly sad. This is disgusting behavior to show to people online, knowing that you have female fans, even if you don't. This is literally so fucked up and I HOPE the gaming community and society open their eyes and realizes this and stops supporting him. if I wouldn't have come across this ONE video talking about this, I would continue supporting him, thank you for making this video and making people and women fans of him pay attention to this.
"he makes an apology for those things, brings up about 7 excuses, says he is making no excuses, then CONTINUES to talk" he said he didnt WANT to make excuses never said he wasnt going to lol
To say the dude is loved is a real stretch. His community is unbelievably toxic, and they troll him as much as they troll people who attack him. When he said in his apology video that he was getting fucked up donations I had no trouble believing it. His entire channel is a negative feedback loop that causes him and his community to become more toxic people the longer they hang around each other. He arguably has one of the strangest relationships with his chat I've ever seen, it's truly bizarre and very disturbed.
Also, I'd like to point out that BEING doxed counts as "something happening." Sure, it's not the same as some stalker slashing your tires or whatever, but it's still not only 1) illegal (at least in the US) but also 2) incredibly harmful, mentally and physically, EVEN IF nothing else happens. Knowing that your personal information -- name, age, location, etc. -- is publicly available is _unbelievably_ traumatizing. I feel like a lot of people who haven't been on the receiving end of doxing underestimate how fucking soul-destroying it can be. And, to be honest, in many ways it's _worse_ when you only have "like seven followers," because then you also don't have a huge fanbase that's mostly supportive.
Unfortunately doxxing is technically not illegal if the information is publicly available. If the person’s social security number is posted, then yes, it is illegal. But full name, address, phone number-unfortunately completely legal to post. There are tons of background check sites and other types of directories that have people’s personal info publicly available. Definitely not saying I agree with any of this btw
This is going to sound really bad (only talking about the first point btw), but like someone else pointed out, it depends how you got doxxed. I recommend reading about OSINT, a really scary and creepy field that's 100% legal, and chances are most people get doxxed just from this, there is really no need for ilegal stuff. As for the last part (the worse one), and talking about real danger its true you don't get support but since you are not an "onlice figure" people don't care about you, they "scare you off" (traumatize you, as you said) and then move on. If you are a public figure (yes, even with a bunch of supporters) then your risk its like x1000, because there are people who actually hate you and want to hurt you and get obsessive with you, ex: that team of doxxers who harrassed Dream back in 2020/21 for months and keep on spreading his info on trending #'s, and till this day there are people who keep on trying to find more stuff on him bc of how much they hate him (obsessive / stalkerish). I don't think its worse for someone who can delete the acc and made another one (and chances are the doxxers don't care at this point) vs someone who has an online presence, just my opinion obviously. Psychologically i don't think its fair to compare tho so im not going to, everyone is different on the way they take this kind of stuff, some get hit really hard and others just take some days off and move on, regardless of their following/support.
the fact that doxxing exists is why i always try to avoid posting real info about myself as much as possible, cant get doxxed if they have no real info to find me with
Especially because non-millionares can't move, can't hire security etc. (Also as a queer person and a woman, I'd be so scared if all my info was just out there)
Speeds fanbase if fu**Ing insane! 💀 I don't gaf if he's "young" or "still learning", he's is still an influencer with an audience so he should take responsibility for the stuff that comes out of his mouth, and only if someone was rude to you doesn't give you a right to act like that Infront of millions of people who are mostly impressionable kids. He has anger issues that he needs to take care of privately and not rage Infront of millions. He overall sucks as an influencer and to be frank he isn't even funny either. He needs therapy and raging at people on random servers isn't the way to do it. He's fan base is quite toxic as well
I’m pretty sure I’m about a year younger than him and I’ve never been so embarrassed about someone being this aggressive and sexist so boldly. The fact that most people my age and even younger knows how to act and what to say , and the fact that he is using that as an excuse is beyond me , he knows what he’s saying is wrong and I’d like to see what his mother thinks about his nasty words😝
@Galactic Galaxy someone younger than 13-14 I would consider a kid, and for those who ppl say are “still young and learning” I’d say 14-19. But after that and even for 17-19 year olds it feels like they should right from wrong by then
“I am not a misogynist! You were supposed to defend me as a character witness because you know I’m not a misogynist!” uses girl as an insult 10 seconds later. Amazing comedic timing. That could not have been funnier.
Ya my grandpa uses a feminine name to insult our dogs. It's Trudy. I asked him the significance and he said it was because it's a girl's name. I don't get it.... I thought it was some sort of reference lol But not according to him 🫤
He was only doing it to be offensive, the crazier he acts the more his fans watch (they really do send him awful shit just to provoke him and he encourages it by giving them what they want, he really needs to get off the internet for his own sake)
“I was having a bad day” okay cool, when im having a bad day i dont go around saying misogynistic or racist or homophobic shit. If you say shit like that you are more than likely sexis/racist/homophonic. When im having a bad day i am irritable but id never ever say anything like that. It’s a bullshit excuse.
Fr, if I’m mad and feel like I’m gonna lash out at someone I just go to my room to cool off or if it’s really _that_ bad I take it out by hitting a pillow and jumping around or something. There are so many things to do when you’re having a bad day to get your emotions out in a healthy way that doesn’t hurt anyone. Being young isn’t an excuse either bc I’m younger than Speed and I don’t start spewing bigoted bullshit when I’ve had a bad day, never have, and neither does anyone I know that’s my age. It’s just bullshit
Maybe its just because im autistic and i hate screaming but when the ishowspeed guy started violently screaming at that women for talking it scared the absolute shit out of me. Like i felt a primal fear from that Also i think ballslover32 deserves an honorary mention for beefing with dream
I don't want this to come off as rude, but please stop labeling normal behavior as "autistic". It makes way for self-diagnosers to be like "Oh look, an autistic person gets scared by yelling, I get scared by yelling, therefore I'm autistic!" Be cautious of what you say online lol. For the record, nearly anyone gets scared by yelling (or at least uncomfortable). That's why people yell; it's to assert dominance over the "weak". When you get scared by yelling, that's normal. That's human instinct. Your nature is telling you that someone is trying to assert their dominance over you, and you react because you don't like it. I hope that explains it!
@@nomoretwitterhandles idk if im reading this right because im on 2 edibles rn but are you neurtypical? Because im just saying hearing screaming, even if its from far away and not directed at me, makes me get anxiety attacks. I wanted to know if it was a "normal" response to react to the way he behaved, even knowing i was in no way connected to his anger
@@snakesareprettycoolifyouas756 Then you should clarify as such. But no, I'm not a neurotypical, and it's kind of douchey for you to assume that (I'm not calling you a douche, but I am telling you to watch what you say because I am personally offended by that assumption). I am very noise sensitive AND I have an auditory processing disorder, not to mention I have MDD, nightly panic attacks, anxiety, and.. well I don't have to list them out like Pokemon, it's not that big of a deal and frankly it's unimportant. So just because I didn't like something you said doesn't mean I'm magically free of all disorders. Regardless, yes, it is normal to get anxious when you hear someone yell or scream, even from far away. That's actually an appropriate response. If you heard someone scream and you didn't worry, I'd be a little suspicious. However, if you're having anxiety ATTACKS from something like that, then you just have bad anxiety. It has nothing to do with autism. You may have some deeper trauma related to screaming/yelling, or you might be overly anxious (because anxiety does that sometimes lmao) which can lead to paranoia in such cases. Autism can increase your anxiety levels, but the fear of yelling is only directly linked to the anxiety, not the autism. If screaming/yelling is a noise trigger that causes you to behave irrationally and lash out (like those who are more affected by autism), then THAT would be an autistic trait. Some people with autism aren't able to function or mask the same way most neurotypical people do, and certain noises can cause them to react aggressively. As an example, I have an autistic cousin and he's mostly nonverbal, and hearing sirens can cause him to be very aggressive and hit people, which is a symptom of his autism. To put it simply, you are not exhibiting autistic behavior in this particular circumstance UNLESS you are specifically reacting in a way that is a genuine autistic trait. If that makes sense.
@@nomoretwitterhandles If you don't have autism, then why the hell are you explaining autism to somebody who is autistic. It's so fucking douchey and patronizing when people do this shit to us. Like honestly, it drives me fucking NUTS when non-autistic people think they know more about us than we do. Just because you have an autistic cousin and you're not neurotypical does not mean you know more about autism than ACTUAL AUTISTIC PEOPLE. How would you like it if a NT person explained all of your symptoms to you like a child, while making wild assumptions about their life. Also; nobody is self diagnosing off of a tiktok video or youtube comment. If you were actually part of the autistic community or knew anything about it, then you would know that self-diagnosis is widly accepted and valid (AFTER someone does years worth of research on it, and learning about themselves). You're also showing BLATANT ableism in your comment, saying "If screaming/yelling is a noise trigger that would cause you to behave irrationally or lash out, that would be an autistic symptom". This is incredibly insulting, and just untrue. Overstimulation and sound sensitivities can CAUSE panic attacks, and while some autistic people may lash out, not all of us are the same. Some of us might just cover our ears, or not react at all due to masking. Also, they are referred to as autistic TRAITS. Not SYMPTOMS. Also, it's a spectrum. Y'know, in the name. Not every autistic person is going to react the same way to certain stimulus. There is no rigid one way that autistic traits will present, it's different in everyone. STOP SPEAKING FOR AUTISTIC PEOPLE STOP ASSUMING YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT AUTISM THAN AUTSTIC PEOPLE This was INCREDIBLY offensive and ableist, and you were incorrect in multiple instances. Speaking as an autistic person who is studying autism in college.
@@nomoretwitterhandles i legit am diagnosed with autism. Idk why you feel the need to explain how my reaction is average when you have never seen what i do in the situation. I dont feel like writing a whole ass novel to make a comment about how i felt the need to run and hide from the dude screaming in the video. Also even if you say "not calling you a douche lol" youre still calling me a douche. Youre not being slick.
Jason mentioning he "was not a good person to his wife" reveals so much. He obviously cheated on her and blames the situation/the women instead of himself. He doesn't want to talk to women bc he thinks he would start inappropriately talking to other women again.
the fact that people are genuinely afraid of saying anything against dream or even something that might be inconvenient in some way, speaks for itself that dream's community is not as great as it could be. of course not everyone is bad, most of them are great, im sure. however they have the ability to dox people and had done so in the past. in every community you can find people who are simply toxic and this one isn't different. i don't believe dream meant any harm but he definitely should be more considerate of his stans. sure, he can't control them and if they do something bad, it's not directly his fault. yet, every content creator should be aware of their influence
absolutely. like you said every fandom is toxic to a certain extent and that's exacerbated by how big the fandom is as well. being that big of a content creator comes with at least some responsibility over your fanbase
Dream's approach to his fanbase's problems hasn't been done wholeheartedly. I'm not saying that he didn't try, but alot of his talks on stream about them have just been very passive. Like telling a kis,"oh know, don't do that."while not looking at your toddler jump off the roof. He may disavow the people who dox others on his behalf, but they still watch and worship him. I think the age of his fanbase is a part of this problem and it will get better as they grow older, but right now, he needs to step up and admit that he has control over what his audience does. Not his fans, his audience.
@@anothercub6958 absolutely, but there's not much he CAN do besides saying he does not condone that type of behavior. all he could start doing differently is probably adress these situations by talking about his personal experience getting doxxed? i don't know if it would work, but it's definitely an attempt
@@bellelelelelele4002 Maybe changing the way he approaches it. Actually taking the time to talk about it seriously, not trying to be apologetic about it could help
Speed is... Legit one year older than me.... Saying "Ya know, I'm young" is the MOST DISGUSTING EXCUSE I'M HEARING WITH PEOPLE MY AGE LIKE WHAT. Your age isn't an excuse, dude. You can be young and still be a decent human being, you can be young and be more cultured/mature than any adult out there. It's not about age, it's about YOU as a person. Cuz being sexist doesn't come with a tag that says "you can be this is if you're 10+ till 18 years old". It's about YOUR BEHAVIOUR and PERSONALITY. I actually thought this guy was chill until I saw this. Can't believe how a 16 year old can behave like this... It's disgusting.
@@lancestewart3327 Wow, I think I also might be famous now if a 10 yo is trying to insult me lol. First: Get a chick to pay you a glance, bc you clearly haven't gotten any female attention aside from your mum's. Second: Kiddo, go to school and learn some things. Life isn't about being an idiot on the internet bc you see another kid letting his anger issues take the best of him. Third: If I were your parents (speed and yours), I would be disappointed for raising THIS. Ashamed, at worst. Because how could I do such a bad job making people that later will be part of the society? Just to not do anything worth it, ig. So, don't be slacking. Work on yourself 👍
Jason not only refuses to play with women, but also bans them from his stream if he notices. And the whole thing about respecting his wife is bullshit, he was caught liking pictures of women in lingerie on twitter.
Fucking yikes, that Ishowspeed guy got problems. "That clip was from months ago, I'm different now" you don't change into a better person within two months lmao
@@Stargazelol5 You might be able to with therapy or something, but its definitely rare. I've dealt with people like this claiming theyve changed when only 1 month has passed and they were literally calling every single one of my friends slurs😭
You don't have to worry about rumors about you with other women if you're a trusted, faithful person in relationships. If these dudes see simply playing with another stranger, that happens to be a woman, as dangerous for their relationship... idk seems like a personal issue. But I would never wanna play games with the likes of ninja or jasonr.
@@peetahbread7921 So she is okay with the twitch chat shipping her husband with other dudes? Nothing stops the Internet from shipping whoever the want so it doesn’t make sense that she doesn’t want to play with other women because of shipping. It makes her sound insecure about her marriage and she cares about what people think.
Huge props to Tarik for standing up against Jason like that. Speaking from experience, it’s extremely difficult to separate yourself from a toxic friend, especially one that’s manipulated you into thinking you owe them your friendship. But Tarik did what he knew to be right, even if it meant betraying his “friend”, which I find very admirable 👏
the fact that dream said “nothing happens to you if you get doxxed you’ll be fine” is absolutely stupid and false. people get swatted which can lead to innocent people being shot, arrested etc. not only does the user gets put in danger but everyone in the household is in danger too. some people might go to the house themselves and do god knows what. that user from twitter was also a minor which is just messed up, and he shouldn’t blame them for fearing for their life
He meant it in a reassuring way. If anything he's trying to make the people with anxiety feel better. I can see how it seems like a dumb thing to say. It's a dumb statement and maybe he should've worded it better but he wasn't entirely wrong.
He never said that. He tried to calm down people who might have gotten threats. All people who DID get doxxed were DREAM FANS. Everyone privating after being qrted by Dream did it because they were "scared of getting doxxed", but never got doxxed, nevr even got harrased. After looking on the qrted tweet, it had like 30 comments and 35 qrts, telling them wrong, no attacks, nothing. LITERALLY ANYONE can private and say "I am scared of getting doxxed", it means nothing. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them later came out saying they never got doxxed. Not even mentioning Dream himself getting doxxed multiple times, along with his entire family including 13yo sister. Dreams doxx was literally TRENDING on Twitter, people were spamming all that stuff along with death threats. Should Dream not fear for his life having his doxxed info everywhere?
This behavior is very common in val. Many times I've been in a lobby with a guy that is angry, but gets violently angry as soon as a girl talks. It's concerning tbh.
Like Speed gets TONS of hate from even his own fanbase. Someone is always making fun of him. That mixed with being young and streaming must make him pretty stressed or feel the need to freak out in even more ridiculous ways to get attention. Because "any attention on the internet is good attention". It really does suck to see someone who probably had loads of potential turn out this way. (Btw him being sexist can absolutely also stem from him.. just being sexist lol, not just from wanting to grab attention)
@@fliqet3524 dawg why did you comment this everywhere? What's wrong with feeling comfy? Watching comforting stuff is nice after a long day, just to unwind and relax. And comfort streamers are different for each person-one's could be a noisy and goofy ass gamer who screams at every jumpscare. Another comfort streamer could be some random woman tapping the mic and going all "hey there shawty lemme whisper in your ear, tell you something you might like to hear", lol. let people be people ^v^
As a girl who has just started gaming recently, I’ve never experienced so much blatant sexism and verbal abuse related to my gender… also pretty much every other game I also get guys rage quitting if they literally miss one shot against me, or guys just quitting the game when they see they’re on a team with me…
I had a guy who is pfp on discord was of himself shirtless and he tried so hard to get me to compliment him. I've had dudes who during a raid in Destiny 2 ignore me when I try to explain to them how the game works, the worst is this dude flat out ignored me, and it took my friend who is a dude for him to actually listen to me. I think the worst was when a group of dudes told me my existence wasn't needed. Like my whole self was a waste. All because they didn't want to listen to me. That was definitely the run that broke me for a bit, now if a dude said that I'd kick them but man it always hurts the first time around.
I think the "I've never been so scared to talk about a creator as much as this guy" kinda speaks for itself. That's proof enough with just how you feel that the whole situation is fucked. The fact that anyone who speaks even close to what could be considered as "negitivly" about him are scared to do so because of his fanbase. Like. I enjoy the DSMP! I keep up with the other CCs in it! But *everyone* is scared of him and his fans because of how they act and the image they've made for themselves. It's honestly insane that there could be a group of *that* many people who are like that, and think acting like that is ok or "quirky" or "cute" or whatever they think they are by acting like that. I just cant wrap my head around it.
I think the main reason his fans tend to be so reactive to any criticism is because there have been so many time where stuff labeled as "criticism" was really just mindless hate and a ton of misinformation. It is really easy to be very defensive when that is what you're used to. The truth is, a ton of Dream stans are just as scared as everyone else, but for the reason of liking Dream, not criticizing him.
This is just speculation but I honestly think dream enjoys that power. He likes that he has an army of underlings that will harm other at his behest. Despite him never directly supporting their behaviour it’s obvious he doesn’t completely object, he seems to implicitly encourage it
@@Grace-uk9er That's no excuse to attack and harass someone, especially since Dream will always be far more influential than almost any person online that criticises him. Do people like to hate on Dream? Yes, because he did a lot of things to make himself hateable, such as his entire conduct during the cheating scandal which can be surmised as "shitty" to say the least. Dream stans are very aggressive, parasocial children, and although Dream can afford to have a smaller income than he does right now, which would be a consequence of taking serious action to pacify and perhaps even rectify his fanbase's behaviour, he chooses not to. What does that say about him as a streamer and person? Nothing flattering, that's for sure.
@@teethcoat4274 I never said it was an excuse. It was a reason. And for all the harassment that Dream antis face, there is just as much that Dream stans face. You seem to be under the impression that when it comes to Dream stans harassing people that Dream is just silent on the matter. News flash: that is the opposite of the truth, at any point it is relevant, Dream tells people not to harass other people, even ones who hate him. He is well aware of how volatile his fandom is, and he does his best to combat that. So what more do you want him to do? Lie down and play dead when thousands of accounts are harassing and threatening him? It’s really a very normal thing to do to defend yourself in that scenario. Plus, he does have adhd and part of that is being impulsive. Sure you can do stuff to combat that, but to some extent, as much as someone with adhd may try to stop it, they will still make impulsive decisions. He’s made tweets without thinking before that has set off his fandom. Nothing for the most part that was really out of line, but he recognized that his tweet did more harm than good and deleted it. That’s not to say that he can’t defend himself, cause he’s perfectly within his right to do so. The thing I wonder about is if Dream antis have ever had a lesson in internet safety. Do they know that if their account is public, anyone can respond to it? They should know that if their account is public that it is on them to if someone with a large following reply’s to them, for good or for ill. Not to say that those who have been harassed by Dream stans deserve it, cause no one deserves harassment, even those who started the harassment. But they know what they’re getting themselves into. And yeah, Dream has done some dumb things in the past and a lot of people hate him for it, but I’m not going to really get into that cause it’d take too long. But I think he’s a good person and so do lots of other people. And at the end of the day, he’s just a guy. Maybe have a little empathy for a change.
@@PissWarlock haha, they actually made a april fools joke together. i think dream sent them to his channel and said danny was his face. something like that.
@@PissWarlock I saw a post like that as well! It was more along the lines of "Danny Gonzales is Dream and he created dsmp and decided to see how far he could push the fandom to see what would happen" But it was still pretty funny
@@djayden4661 the guy was embarrassed by his performance in game, and then felt attacked when the others made fun of him. So he lashed out at the only person who (he thought) he was better than. And it happened in real time. Kinda a useless comment, really misses most of the point, but is true
@@beng.5067 he wasn't actually embarrassed by his performance in game. And nor was he actually upset by anything they said. Speed plays a character. Now that "character" is very cringe,toxic. He definitely needs to reevaluate how he caters to his fans entertainment because being sexist and everything else is still weird even when ur playing a "character".
the fact that you have to walk on eggshells about a single content creator goes to show how a few bad eggs (gonna roll with the egg puns) can spoil an omelet. like the odd almost infantilization (is that a word) of a lot of men online is such an odd thing to me. from content creators from twitch to unnamed foreign boybands
There was a time when Sykkuno fans bullied Valkirae (I think it was her) because he "looked sad when she yelled at him" during an among us game. Like y'all he's over 30. He can handle himself.
also the fact that you have to be afraid of making a video talking about someone because of how unpredictable the fans around them is, is a problem in itself and i think that creators need to do what you’re doing and let their fans know that there are boundaries that shouldn’t be crossed. i think you did a great job with the stories and explaining both sides, thank you nick :)
I'm just wondering, what do you think Dream can do to better prevent this from happening? He's already talked about how much he disapproves of harassing etc. People multiple times, and ultimately a CC only has a certain amount of control over their fanbase/ whoes in it (not to excuse his actions i just mean in general). What else do you think he could do?
@@S.mu8yz Genuinely? I feel like setting more boundaries for himself would be the best way to help control the fanbase. In my experience, people learn to respect boundaries from the people around them, and since many of his fans are pretty young and probably still learning how to act on the internet, that would help them realize that there ARE lines that cannot be crossed. Dream would probably do pretty well with an older/more experienced fanbase that knows what is and is not alright to do. A lot of the time he kinda reminds me of something I'm currently working on - learning to say no to people, or just outright tell them they are making me uncomfortable, but without letting my emotions control me (ADHD does not make that skill easier to learn).
@@lilia3944 can you clarify a bit what you mean by boundaries? I feel like he's pretty good at setting boundaries for himself. When he doesn't want to do something that may cross his boundaries/ he doesn't want to do (for example not wanting to join MCC one time etc) he doesn't. And I totally get that 😭 BP and ADHD can both make it difficult.
@@S.mu8yz Oh yeah I didn't really mean boundaries for what he does or doesn't want to do, but maybe for his fans? It sounds kind of strange because if he's okay with them making a large range of content about him then that should of course be fine, but a lot of those people seem to think that they can act like that in other fandoms or towards other fans, which of course isn't the case bc if someone hasn't said they're comfortable with something then it should be assumed they are not. That being said, of course he shouldn't have to, like, parent his fans, "how to not act like a moron on the internet" should honestly just be a school subject at this point.
@@S.mu8yz Dream might not actively be telling his fans to go harass people, but he needs to recognize that his audience is very VERY young and will act on any opinions he chooses to share. I know people go on and on about how he should be allow to express his opinion, but as such a huge creator, he needs to recognize that he can’t just go around doxing people and calling people out and ranting on twitter.
Idgaf if the Dream stans are terrifying: Dream is absolutely encouraging doxxing even if he dresses it up like noooo guys it’s so bad don’t do it, only to turn around and say it’s “satisfying” to see someone private their account because of the harassment they’re receiving and there’s something so gross about trying to downplay the effects of being doxxed. Even if he doesn’t explicitly say, yes I think doxxing is good, the things he does continue to encourage this behavior
@@astrowolvez well, the person who was worried about getting doxxed didn’t even get doxxed in the first place, they then proceeded to talk about how they got clout out of it and joined the # dreamout gang, which has a people trying to dox dream, which I personally find a little hypocritical.
@@ezra5514 i…don’t think it was. they specifically were talking about how “luckily I didn’t get doxxed but now I’ve got more followers” or something on those lines, it was the same person I believe.
Yeah it's absolutely disgusting. I was a fan of him when he was still growing while only having 1 million subscribers because I liked his coding and manhunt contents and also because I thought that It was impressive for someone to grow that fast in such short amount of time, but when he started to grow more and more I ended up unsubscribing to him since I didn't like how he acted anymore, but I am thankful though that through him he introduced me to tommy, ranboo, tubbo, etc... and that's all, now all he does is milk the manhunt videos now and it's getting boring
I fully agree with the dream situation. A lot of fans in the mcyt community actually listen to dream when he tells them to leave people alone on twitter leaving hate, but he needs to realise that not all the fans will listen, and yes, he cannot control his fans, but if some of his fans are causing mass amounts of stress and danger, then he needs to understand that, and learn from it.
I stopped playing val because of how common behavior like ISHOWSPEED showed in that clip is. Literally 50% chance as a girl I got a response like that from talking. Violent threats, harassment, etc all bc I'm a girl.
That’s horrible :0 It really goes to show how misogyny is pretty much normalized in the gaming community. It sucks that literally just trying to have fun could make you the target of so much hate. I hope you found games that aren’t like this
@@gabriellavillalpando6327 I do play lots of more casual games with friends where I don't have to worry about dealing with that behavior. It has really killed my love for val though. It's hard to have fun playing a game when just speaking as a girl you get that kind of response from men in the community.
@@brandyc9645 As a trans dude, I got really good at miming behaviors on games to help curb having to do mic stuff, even after I got a mic, just because, even in PvE and like generally nice settings, people would immediately go "OMG A GIRL GAMER OMG OMG" like I'm a goddamn unicorn, and it was doubly uncomfortable cause...I wasn't a girl, lmao. Really played a big part in me refusing to use my mic way back before I started HRT.
Holy shit the speed video was actually scary, idgaf if i sound like a baby, but it actually is so upsetting to hear and then to hear him use excuses instead of taking accountability, and actually apologize. Men yelling are so scary is2g
I feel you, I’ve had some particular problems with anyone yelling and him yelling made me feel fear, even when I’m not a woman, that must be so upsetting and crushing for that poor girl, i really hope she can recover from it.
im not usually freaked out by stuff like that but that scared me- i’m not used to the hatred being so obvious… so i get you, and i really hope you’re okay
He doesn't actually have any hate towards women etc. It's like filthy frank. Ishowspeed is a character of which he uses to entertain his audience. Now him being misogynistic, etc isn't cool. And him playing a character is no excuse but the real issue here is the stress of being so young and so popular and feeling like u have to top every crazy thing u say with something crazier to keep the popularity around. The girl and her friends were also very racist in the game so I highly doubt she was upset by what he said. I Also find it weird how we just assume the girl was innocent without looking for further context other than the short clip we are shown. Gamers in general male or female are very toxic. This situation isn't one of the situations where speed lashed out on a woman just minding her business playing the game. She was racist he was misogynistic I'd say they are even this time around.
@@peetahbread7921 I've never heard of speed before, how was the dead aunt related to him being misogynist and all the rape jokes? It would be AWFUL to have to put on a brave face while grieving and then have his audience shit on him and his aunt, but that feels disconnected to his misogyny to me. Was it primarily women being dicks to him or something? From where I sit, it seemed like he had pent up feelings (obviously) and then took them out on that poor chick in the stream because he already had shitty views on women
@@WyaSlay first off, being afraid of a guy doesn't automatically equate to radical feminism. second, just because he yells at everyone like that doesn't make it any less bad. that dude clearly hates women being anything but passive and the anger in his eyes just makes it 10X worse. (while we're chatting, maybe look into using punctuation in the future :) )
@@stanateezforgoodluck its youtube not a test i dont need punctuation and yk the girl in the clip was talking crap and calling him a monkey and the n word beforehand right?
@@WyaSlay I didn't know that but it doesn't change the fact he was also yelling at her and looked absolutely terrifying while doing it. There are better ways to deal with racism than just being louder
I feel like a big issue is that dream never ever takes accountability. Yes, he can’t control his fans, but he constantly enables them (by directly @ing and such). Dream’s sexuality is whatever, no body cares who he likes and nobody is genuinely upset with that. But when you have such a large platform and are constantly ambiguous about it, it definitely comes off as queer baiting. It feeds into the fandom hivemind that shipping two real people is okay and contributes to a bunch of fetishization of other queer people. Its just not cool when people use your sexuality as a tool to fuel their fans.
hes basically saying "i could be i could not be" for more views. I think he likes the fact it makes the fandom buzz. honestly i think he even enjoys the crazy fan art, fanfiction, and shipping bc it gives him more views and money.
Queerbaiting is a HUGE thing in the Minecraft streamer community. I don't even follow that community (at all) yet I still get news near weekly about a new (or old) one teasing about their sexuality. It feels so manipulative, especially since most of their fans are just little girls who have toxic yaoi obsessions.
@@oh-ohstinky5819 I uh.. I dont watch dream. Dont even like minecraft smps. Literally just saying that no one owes anyone an explanation of their sexuality
the gaming community has some serious sexism and it needs to be fixed, people should just play games and have fun without demeaning someone's entire existence
As a trans man who, even though I played PvE games with generally vaguely polite people, still got my fair share of being treated like a unicorn shitting a rainbow while riding a giant flying four-leaf clover, and now has been on HRT for a good year and my voice is p deep and I pass as a dude online/on voice-chats/mics, I do not tolerate people being a fucknugget with misogyny, and as I'm not personally going stealth, I just pass, I'm not afraid to point out that I'm trans/AFAB to call people out on shit. Men need to step up and call this shit out, it's not okay, and just because it's commonplace doesn't mean it should be ignored. Before I was on HRT, I literally would pretend to be a chick, even though I'm a dude, because I knew making a good impression of women in gaming was for the better for a lot of the folks who were more ignorant about women in gaming and were treating it like a spectacle. If I seemed serious and like I knew a lot about gaming, they'd get the idea that women aren't shit at gaming and that women do exist who like gaming. Like, lots of the time they were younger, like late teens, and polite about it, but just reacting in, er, unpleasant ways. Not outright hostile, but just, well, like I said, the unicorn thing. It's funny the first few times, but it gets old fast. Also I'm gay, so fuckers can call me simp all they want, but it ain't gonna be true, lmao. Like, it sucks that these sortsa people are mostly gonna listen to men, but at the end of the day, if that's all they're going to listen to, we need men to step the fuck up and call this shit out when they hear it. (Men definitely have like a whole guard down when they're talking to other men. I've only gamed a few times since being on HRT, and almost immediately I heard a possibly sexist (honestly I couldn't tell, so I didn't call it out, cause I was busy thinking about wtf it meant) joke from dudes who I hadn't outright said I was trans in front of, lmao. There's a level of caution that's not there when its just guys, so they put their guards down and their filters along with it, at times.)
One of my favourite gamer Spawntaneous made a whole series about it, it's called "OMG it's a girl" and it's 26 parts long, so yeah. She is pretty good but it's so irritating to see dudes being misogynistic for no reason (and the whole go back to kitchen thing) It's always a bit wholesome to watch some other dudes defend her though
Yes. Like he's so average in the laziest sense of the word it's painful. Not really a good person. Not really a bad person. With only the littlest bit of effort he could be better or at least an okay enough person. But he won't do that because he likes doing the bare minimum in almost everything. He's lukewarm and wishy-washy unless it interferes with his pride.
I don’t think dream did anything criminal, but there are times where it is annoying how he just kind of looks the other way sometimes. Though I still do think he’s pretty valid.
I had a mini panic when he said it was Monday cuz I've spent 3 days billing clients and was like "Did I just charge them on the weekend??" so thank for that, Nicki Snot Green.
I used to moderate for over a dozen twitch streamers and I’ve had to really back out of the community because of the straight cis men in it. The narcissism they have, the abuse they let their mods take, the toxic people they refuse to stand up to…it’s astounding.
@GreenMayoMan69_ no, I mean what I said. They were all arrogant and that’s fine, I can deal with that. What I couldn’t stand was the remorseless unempathetic manipulation, and exaggerated sense of entitlement. So narcissistic tendencies, not just arrogance.
I'm so sorry what does being cis mean? I don't know and I've never known what it has meant I just pretend to nod along. What does that mean. Also don't be harsh on men, most of the good ones aren't involved in twitch streams like that anyways. I'm a woman but you can find good people in places that aren't social media especially straight men or just people in general. If I search up "Roblox" and click on maybe a somewhat popular game that is goofy or lighthearted in content then the people tend to also be lighthearted. Gaming communities have cool people too!
@@Freshest_Water cis/cisgender: whatever gender you are now is the same as what was presumed for you at birth. (Google is free to use.) I do agree with you that a lot of the men involved with twitch streaming unfortunately tend to be iffy as people. I am also a women and it’s disheartening the amount of conversations I had to have with streamers that I worked for explaining that things they did or said were not okay. Men in their mid twenties that have never had anyone challenge them and they get so defensive 💀 it’s scary.
@@PanickinSkywalker Ah okay. I assume that just means straight people or something because at birth we are by default asexual because we aren't feeling sexual attraction but it's weird because then you wouldn't have to specify so it is still confusing tbh.
@@Freshest_Water (a)romantic sexuality and gender are different things. That’s why people clarify both. Myself as an example: I am a cisgender female. I identify as female and I was born a female. But that’s just a statement about myself, like saying my hair is brown or I’m wearing orange. Saying I’m female is a box on a form at the doctors office, and tells you nothing about who I like romantically/sexually.
i agree with your takes! imo saying Real Life People are “queerbaiting” by being vague about their sexuality is just incorrect. real people don’t owe anyone an explanation about their sexuality, and everyone has personal reasons for wanting or not wanting to come out. they also could have just not figured themselves out yet! i said a lot of rly gay shit back when i thought i was straight. i wasn’t “queerbaiting” anyone, I was just being a person trying to figure themself out.
yess I feel like people don't truly understand the word queerbaiting it's making the LGBT fans think they're going to get some representation whilst maintaining homophobic fans and like how often do you see a homophobic dream stan?
Here's a video that shows My point if you dont mind watching ua-cam.com/video/3umRD7SOUNw/v-deo.html As a queer person it just bothers me when people claim Real life people cant queerbait when thats not completely True.
i mean its not just about being vague about your sexuality its about making it part of your Brand™ and making money off of it. i think its pretty undeniable that a large part of dreams fans are his fans bc of his dynamic with his friends and part of that dynamic is the "will they wont they" thing with george. he encourages people to make fanart of them, explicit or otherwise, and there is pretty often an uproar about dream or george acknowledging dnf in some way. that gains him attention which means more fans which means more potential revenue in the form of views and merch purchases. regardless of whether or not hes actually gay is a business strategy first and foremost. theres nothing wrong with having jokes about being gay with your friends but its different when people being actively invested in you and your relationships is a form of revenue generation
forgive me if i'm making too bold of an assumption, but i don't think you had the platform and influence and power that dream currently has, back when you were figuring yourself out. talking to friends is one thing, that's human to human connection, that's friendship. talking to millions of people who look up to you is a different thing. if dream is genuinely trying to figure out his sexuality, he has the choice to do that privately. or at least not tweet about it. but by publicizing this vague concept of "maybe he's queer", he is making that into a performance for millions of people. he is deliberately trying to call attention to this vague concept because he knows that will garner more attention. imo whether or not that fits your personal definition of "queerbaiting" is semantics. he is profiting in the form of attention, likes, views, and money by being intentionally vague in an extremely public way. he is using queerness and the ever-present hope of representation in media that many LGBTQ+ people have, for personal gain. tbh all i know about dream is what was in this video and what i've read in the comments, and eli uwu here is furthering the point i'm trying to make. it is a business strategy. the purpose is not figuring himself out. the purpose is profit.
idk, bi myself, and I don't think using "ohhh maybe I'm bi though" as a shield when people are hurt by your words is okay. Like it doesn't matter what your sexuality is. If someone thinks you're being homophobic, maybe just apologize and try not to make comments that can be taken out of context and hurt people? Going "wow some men are kinda hot though" is not an appropriate response. And maybe you should care about that a little cuz it's kinda messed up. Especially since there are honestly a lot of people who pretend to be LGBT to bait LGBT people into doing certain things for them. Just because you are super gay doesn't mean you can't make a comment that is insensitive or harmful to another gay person.
the way dream emphasized how unlikely it is for a smaller account to get put in harms way from getting doxxed is so....Icky :/ like even if he's been doxxed in the past, wouldn't that make him *more* considerate about the situation and not dismissing it?
why did i literally start crying at the ishowspeed video. like it's SO scary for me to know that theres men out there that act like that, and that i could and will come across those men
also even if that newer tweet abt queerbaiting wasnt queerbaiting he already said in a tweet something like "me and george pretend to be gay but we arent" or something
If you don’t want to be called a misogynist maybe don’t use “girl” as an insult WTF
"you remind me of a gender, lmao ew 🤣" 😐
I do the opposite, I try to use "like a girl" as a compliment whenever it works
@@chaotickreg7024 wait how would that sound
@@sh4li8i6 It would most likely be a sarcastic response to toxic masculinity like "Hey friend I need you to explain to me like a 'weak emotional girl' why you're feeling so depressed this week, I want to help you out and I'm not going to tell you to just 'toughen up' like the other guys." This probably doesn't sound good but you're asking me to invent a clever comeback out of thin air.
@@chaotickreg7024 If it's a comeback, it isn't a compliment. This isn't, "Hey, you're pretty smart!" "No you uwu"
Ishowspeed is such a problem. His whole fan group of 13 year old boys who don’t know how to act, or treat people with respect are the worst community ever. And if we talk about his sexist issues and voice our opinions, we are deemed as ‘snowflakes.’ They need to learn that being sexist is not funny, verbally abusing a woman over a game is not a joke, and even calling that other poor player a ‘monkey’ is not deemed as a light hearted joke.
This! His fanbase really shows their colors too tbh. Really racist and sexist, with LGBTQ+ always being the butt end of their jokes.
That’s the sad world we live in, call out BS and you’ll get called a snowflake
@@ashhabimran239It is really painful to see when teens act like him
womp womp, he literally acts like that with everyone lol, also when women are toxic to men y'all are saying "YeAH sLaY quEeN", but when the roles are reversed y'all cry.
Jesus, iShowSpeed went from a streamer who's known for playing 'Talking Ben', to people saying he needs to seek help because he's been streaming too much, to such an aggressive guy people need to avoid.
you probably watch 'comfort streamers' unironically 💀
he actually scared tf out of me, hope he does get help bc that behavior isn’t okay in the slightest
@@TurkeyMash obviously just like how most streamer's/youtuber's behaviors arent normal they overreact and shit and there obviously playing a character
@@fliqet3524 You love to excuse everything
@@Hairclip722 true! Like, I sure HOPE it's a character, for his own sake, but that'd not a excuse, that "character" cannot be normalised.
the ishowspeed video scared me.. he's so violently angry towards women, it's not because he's young or is experiencing racism, it's just pure hatred and sexism.
He doesn't actually have any hate towards women etc. It's like filthy frank. Ishowspeed is a character of which he uses to entertain his audience. Now him being misogynistic, etc isn't cool. And him playing a character is no excuse but the real issue here is the stress of being so young and so popular and feeling like u have to top every crazy thing u say with something crazier to keep the popularity around. The girl and her friends were also very racist in the game so I highly doubt she was upset by what he said. I Also find it weird how we just assume the girl was innocent without looking for further context other than the short clip we are shown. Gamers in general male or female are very toxic. This situation isn't one of the situations where speed lashed out on a woman just minding her business playing the game. She was racist he was misogynistic I'd say they are even this time around
His other behavior online however is a different story
@@deluxorian 😀
@@cactus2570 yes? 🤨
No nigga, he is 17. You want him to be perfect when his audience ridicules him over everything he does, and mocks him for having a dead aunt. He's probably sad and now we doing this to him bro
Im sorry but the fact that you felt the need to be that beholden to pacify Dream stans in order to not get harassed says a lot about how he handles any responsibility regarding his fans. I don’t care how big the following is if so many people feel comfortable “destroying” people in their honor they are not doing a great job of conveying the idea that they don’t tolerate or endorse that behavior.
the thing is he tries to do this. He's said hundreds of times that he hates people who attack, harass, dox. There comes a time where you have to realize there is nothing more the man can do. His own fandom wont listen to him. He's literally just stuck in this position and it sucks.
@@bleep224 he could be more careful with his social media though. he needs to be responsible knowing what his fanbase is like.
I’m genuinely scared that 99% of the guys in my school watch and support ishowspeed and they feel like it’s normal to talk and behave that way, yet the moment a girl speaks they get so personally offended and go insane
Fr ! It's like they can't even think on their own.
Haven't they asked themselves what speed is doing wrong ?
Don't they have a mother , sister that they love ? It's scary how easily influenced they are.
This is why I, a woman who greatly enjoys video games, never play online games and why I'm also very particular about which videogame UA-camrs I follow. Toxic gamers are to be found everywhere, but some channels, especially smaller ones, have a relatively wholesome and welcoming community.
I don’t think you should let that prevent you from enjoying certain games. You could mute the lobby if they start saying some reckless shit.
@@bbpd5315 that doesnt solve the problem tho
bro probably watches comfort streamers unironically 💀
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as someone who’s a dream fan you covered this really well and I completely agree with your opinion. even though i’m a fan of him i can admit when he does wrong or when things need to change and you remained very unbiased so thank you!
Exactly, I’m a fan of dream but I don’t agree with he’s actions at all and Im not a fan of dream stan but I don’t get mad at someone who addresses things that my favourite person did I won’t criticise them for doing that
I've been in many fandoms that I have to keep secret from my real life because I know if ppl knew I was "one of THOSE kids" then they'd never let me see the end of it.
it sucks tbh :/
Exactly! I feel like nick did a really good job showing the unbiased perspective. Dream does stupid stuff for sure but there are his fans to keep him on check. The quiet few that hold him accountable are often pushed down but yk atleast we're here lol
Reconsider being a dream fan.
@@jijitters being a dream fan is fun though
I think this is the best Dream take I've heard so far, because it seems most unbiased. Mostly, I only see people having extreme hate toward him or extreme loyalty, so seeing this is refreshing.
ishowspeed said “I’ve had a bad day. I’ll cope with sexism and verbal harassment” 🤢
womp womp, he literally acts like that with everyone lol, also when women are toxic to men y'all are saying "YeAH sLaY quEeN", but when the roles are reversed y'all cry.
that dream livestream just shows how disconnected he is, people wanting to feel safe in their own homes is perfectly normal and any risk is still a risk (also he shouldnt talk about how they shouldnt be worried and how low the chances are when he LITERALLY HIDES HIS FACE)
I love the compassion that nick approaches people. He understands the reality of being a human in the crazy situations that present themselves being a creator or 'influencer' in the hellscape that the internet can be today.
I love how Jason literally said, "I'm not a misogynist, so you shouldn't act like a girl (derogatory) by not backing me up on that." Like... you're not helping your case here, my guy.
digging his own grave wtf
ngl it honestly brings me joy to watch misogynists show how dumb they are so clearly lmfaooo
"It was just a joke bro"
exactly smh from the first clip where he was mocking a woman complaining abt his misogyny i knew he wasn't gonna be helping his case
insane 😭😭
''im not a misogynist so stop acting like a girl'' - definitely not a misogynist
Says he not sexist towards women but then immediately uses “girl” as an insult. As if a man being feminine or “acting like a girl” is wrong or weak. Hmm.....Definitely not a misogynist.
Me not knowing the guy: "so did he?"
Him trying to devent himself: "stop acting like a girl!"
Me: "Ahhhaha so he did."
It's like saying ur vegan while eating a burger but the patty is like not vegan.
ok cry
The fact that misogyny is so normalized, ESPECIALLY in the gaming community, is gross. Grown men are on twitch using “b*tch” as a synonym for woman, and displaying that sort of behavior to their young/teen audiences who will 9/10 do what they do. It’s disgusting.
@@fliqet3524 wow, that’s such good commentary.
@@StrawberryFeildsforNever bro you literally get mad over the word "bitch" 💀
@@fliqet3524 u probably read Reddit posts about hating wom3n
@@katsu2014 and your probably an old lady hating on a teenager
@@fliqet3524 u probably watch "alpha male" podcasts on a daily basis
christ, that jason r guy is really… insufferable??? "you were supposed to be a friend of mine" that doesnt mean he has to defend **every. single. thing** u do like.. 😭😭
apparently ur a bad friend if u call out ur friend for their bs?? 💀
kanye logic
Just a small shout out to tarik, literally never heard of him before but his reaction to this was amazing.
'i don't know why you dodge girls in queue but it's WEIRD' amen lmao
The clip of him claiming to not be misogynistic and then using “girl” as an insult to his friend seconds later is absolutely hilarious
@@lemontonk that was absolutely comedic gold LMAO I couldn't believe that
big ups to tarik to standing up to his “friend.” men calling other men on their misogynistic bullshit is vital, and he did a great job both explaining his stance and standing his ground.
FR!!!! i was expecting him to just fold cuz majority of the time they just do that
It sucks we still need men to fight the fight but until the call comes from inside the house, we stand no chance against something so entrenched
fr, it's hard calling people out directly, especially when you've been friendly with them in the past.
Idk if JasonR is a misogynist but the reason he doesnt play with women is because of something with his wife. From what i've heard his wife doesnt like him talking to other women at all, this was a thing a few years back as well I think
@@hampusjohansson2497 considering he used girl as an insult and lost his shit instead of just explaining or leaving at least implies that he probably is a misogynist 🤨
"I have a wife, so I'm not sexist" its giving "i have black friends so I'm not racist"
I think many sexists got -female slaves- wives.
“I have women friends, I’m not sexist!”
"I have lgbtq+ flag so i'm not homophobic"
“i have autistic friends so im not ableist”
"I have a mom, so I'm not sexist!!"
Jason is so stupid he’s like “you’re an L friend because you didn’t tell people that I’m actually not a misogynist” then proceeds to do and say misogynistic things 🤦🏽♀️ anyway Tarik is a W person
May I ask what's an L friend?
@@kimmeallay5043 it's when a friend sits down at a 90° angle so they look like an L
@@kimmeallay5043 it means like bad or loser Jason is basically calling Tarik a bad friend for not defending his misogynistic actions
Real friends hold you accountable, only the weak can’t handle it
@@ashikjaman1940 thank you!!
There's even more clips of ishowspeed saying disgusting things to women. The one that sticks with me since I've seen it is where he's on stream video calling a female streamer, asks her if they were the last two people on earth would she have sex with him. When she says no (because obviously) he says "who's gonna stop me?" He kept repeating it, it was super gross, basically saying he would r*pe her if no one was around to stop him. I don't know how old the clips are, or if he has made some kind of response or apology for those in particular, but major red flags and just gross as hell.
That’s terrifying😰 if I was that girl, I’d probably never be able sleep again.
omg thats video comes to mind whenever i think of ishspeed its less than a year old and the way his fans excuse his behaviour is unbelivabe I belive at a certain age everyinthing you say or do is a CHOICE.
that video was genuinely terrifying
They need to permanently ban him wth
@@agentminajatrois7840 right, his fans reactions make it so much worse, and thats saying a lot from all the messed up clips there are. Its a cesspool of broken and toxic behaviour and the fact they are all laughing and defending him is literally scary
The sheer disappointment I felt when ispeed’s fans kept laughing when he was being verbally abusive online is immeasurable.
@@cityinsect my guy should just stop streaming. It’s doing more harm than good
His fans are the fuel for his rages
Go cry.
@@MAGAMAN cringe 😬
@@MAGAMAN omg u made me cry 😭😭😭😭 we are so affected by your very powerful words that matter so much to us 😭😭😭😭😭😭 your opinion is so valid 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
its disgusting how often you come across misogyny and sexism in the gaming community.
And ableism
It's honestly insane the number of men who refuse to game with women on their team. I come across this problem ALL THE TIME. It's so sad....
@@Cove_Blue also racisim and lgbt+ phobia.
@@Samantha-wd2wg back in the 360 days we used to have the opposite issue of men (kids) being TOO excited that a woman was on their team
@@Dr.E7HER back in the 360 days it was the same. I’d have guys threaten sexual assault and tell me to go make a sandwich/get in the kitchen on a daily basis. It’s not a new thing, it’s just continuing to be allowed in gaming spaces because those men on the platform back each other up and normalize it. I’ve had small children yell some of the most sexist remarks at me while a bunch of grow men cheered the child on.
Not a new thing, you may just only notice it now.
"i had a bad day" IS NOT AN EXCUSE. it will NEVER be an excuse in any case. wether it's racism, misogyny, ableism, homophobia or whatever, even a crime, ITS NOT AN EXCUSE!
Cope😹
@@gottablast2438 You need a cat to help you cope?
the girl was calling him racial slurs before the clip tho
@@gottablast2438 Bro's defending his boyfriend hardcore
@@bantaras1739 hes done it on multiple different occasions
Honestly, seeing Jason's friend talk to him and being like "no, I'm not going to defend you, I don't know if you're sexist" made me happy and hopeful for the future. Idk, gamergate was not too long ago, and there are still so many online misogynists like Fresh and Fit, but to see a normal adult man just shut down someone who he considered his friend just made me so happy and hopeful.
Absolutely this. Some friend groups tend to be very toxic in the sense that you're all the best of friends as long as you let everyone say and behave however they want whenever they want with no backlash. If one of these people *does* speak up then it's just because they're too "sensitive", "can't take a joke" or they're "a simp". This tends to be most prevalent in men's circles.
I was talking about this with my brother and he said it wasn't true because a group of men he knew "supportively" dog-piled on a woman (that only one of them had ever met) for "playing games" because she didn't think it was working out romantically with the guy she was dating.
Like, dude, that's not a supportive friend group. It's easy to trash talk people you don't know. What's hard (but a sign of *genuine* friendship) is when genuine criticism can be given and received without ending said friendship.
@@stop-- reading this, they just sound so immature and tribalistic. I’ve been there actually. Like things my friends did sometimes just didn’t feel right with me but confronting people about it would never lead to nothing and I just stopped arguing. I ended up growing up and then moving, distancing from them. These days they actually seem better grown up. At least, I hoped so
wait... fit? as in fitmc?
Tarik is a great dude. He was a pro CSGO player for Cloud9 before whatever he does now. He was the tournament MVP for their huge Eleague Major win in 2018 and I still remember how crazy and exciting that was as a fan. Glad to see he's a stand-up guy outside the game too.
Yes! I’ve heard of Tarik before but I never really watched him or had an opinion on him but my respect for him really grew from this! I’m glad he stuck to it and didn’t just defend his friend because he was a friend.
When I was 14-15 i got doxxed for the first time. I wasn’t a huge creator, i was a little girl who rejected a man’s advances. I was swatted 4 times, pizza sent to my house, my grandmothers bank account was hacked, someone called my school and reported i was sh-ing in the bathroom, had inappropriate packages show up to my house, i was threatened with that same dox for years to come. It doesn’t matter your age or fanbase size, doxxing can harm anyone.
I'm really sorry you had to go through that. That's so messed up
im so sorry that happened i hope you're alright
thats so horrible, im so incredibly sorry, that must have been hell
Jeez that sucks! I’m sorry you had to go through that
I'm so terrible sorry you had to go through that, that's awful. People are the worst.
I think The Jason situation is a perfect example of how men can really help with the fight against the patriarchy and misogyny. Call out your male friends and take accountability. Men listen to men. I honestly think this is why so many people were against Jason is because men were against it and therefore other men followed which is great we need this more.
Agreed!! It's definitely frustrating that it takes MEN standing up against misogyny for other men to listen, but I truly appreciate the guys who called JasonR out, especially Tarik since they were friends. gives me a lot of hope.
And the same goes for all of your friends, who are spewing nonsense. Misandry is a thing, you know.
@@masterpieceofsunset61 I’m gonna need you to read my comment again and tell me what made you feel you needed to say this. Right now you sound like you’d fall under the same category of men who’d support Jason, and if I were you I wouldn’t want that. Bit embarrassing please check yourself 😊 also misogyny comes from no basis, it’s hating women for their sex, it’s bias. Misandry is women’s response to generations of hate, discrimination and abuse at the hands of men. Bit different ♥️
@@masterpieceofsunset61 I bet you think KAM is actually serious.
@@fascinatedblueberry9072 I love you you said this so perfectly and calmly I love you and you are 100% right
Am I the only girl genuine scared by the speed guys actions. Like he was SO very mad and also comfortable talking to women like that, I can’t imagine him handling his emotions better in person when face to face with a woman he doesn’t think is respectful enough of him ???
Same here. It was intense I was definitely not ready to witness those clips
Its an act, he gets successful off it
@@jominil you can get successful off real behaviour too especially when your community validated and supports those disgusting ideals. And even if it is an act, you’re still loudly hating on and being violent towards women, as a woman I don’t care what the context is
@@callahardy8639 I am also a woman and frankly I don’t give a shit what other people do so it doesn’t affect me 🤷🏻
@@jominil I wasn’t implying you weren’t simply stating why it affected me. As it does to the still going fight for equality, but it doesn’t HAVE to matter to you; it still matters to me??? Like people CAN have different opinions and yours is genuinely not the only one???
(Also for someone who doesn’t give a shit about what others do you’re sure using logical fallacies to argue a strangers opinion)
That Jason R argument with his friend was jaw dropping. It is a clear demonstration of how this unspoken "bro code" works and how sexism and misogyny keep being perpetuated and normalized. It's kinda scary tbh.
Cant speak for others and obviously for other countries, but where im from, if my friends see me being sexist towards a woman, racist towards a black dude or anything else that is highly disgusting behaviour, I would get my ass beat by them. So i dont think the bro code means always supporting ur friends no matter the fucked up shit they do, maybe in the US it does idk, but most dudes would get their ass beat id imagine
Yeah bro code is like “dewd dont SNITCH on me if i MURDER a [slur] bcus thats GAY and FEMALW behavior AUGH”
Girl code is “protect and love eachother ❤”
@@Kenos444 I'm not from the US and I've seen this kind of thing happening over and over again throughout my life. Both in my personal life and in media. Maybe you just don't notice because it doesn't directly affect you, but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Misogyny is incredibly prevalent worldwide, women and girls die every single day because of it. I think it's kinda tone-deaf to say "most dudes would get their ass beat" for saying sexist shit. If that was true, then we wouldn't have systemic misogyny and sexism.. still
@@mariana9991 No im aware sexism happens all the time but simplifying it by saying the "bro code" is the same as not snitching on ur bois no matter the situation is totally wrong. That only applies to the trash of society and not the average person. Ik that a lot of dudes probably told you "you ugly anyway" after u rejected them, but thats not a problem only men have. Most girls will tell a dude who rejects them "i bet u gay as hell anyway" so lets not act like its an issue where solely men are to blame. We all are and we need to grow tf up out of that immature behaviour. Like, look at Moss boss's reply, it seems like they have never interacted with a man in their whole life and 30 people liked that comment. Both parties are to blame and need to do better. Not trying to excuse sexism or any other toxic behaviour and i hope i could brubg that across with english being my 3rd language.
@@Kenos444 can confirm that no girl I would ever associate myself with would say that. So maybe you shouldn't associate yourself with those types of dudes
"is a female talking to me?!?!?!" clearly that has never happened before
any guy that refers to women as “females” doesn’t spend time around women
@@CreatureVision "oh hello there, fellow female 🤓. Would you like to see my used gum collection?"
@@pointless.videos1 can i see?
@@teddi8432 no 😨
@@pointless.videos1 hand over the gum collection 🔫🤠
Ishowspeed is so fucking insane omg. Seriously would not want to be around him irl, he seems like someone who would act out in violence
No literally those clips scare me, i hate yelling so much omfg
He’s short-tempered, yells constantly, and makes an absurd amount of r*p3 jokes
@@user-vy2hz6fl6x ew 🙁his fanbase must be so toxic...
He's acting though he only does it when he's streaming for persona character
@@buggoproductionstv7244 that doesnt look like acting mate...
ISHOWSPEED smiling after he literally JUST CURSED OUT A WOMAN AND TOLD HER TO DO HER HUSBANDS DISHES hurts.
So its ok if he cusses out a male Yeah ok thats fair
@@WyaSlay no one said that
@@thatweirdbwah_ yk the whole clip right?
@@WyaSlay okay but their initial statement said nothing abt the guy. Stop jumping to conclusions that don’t make sense.
@@AmritaSodaa did u watch the full clip?
one thing about IShowSpeed that i’ve never really seen people talk about is how many rape jokes he makes
I think it's cause his fanbase consists of a bunch 'edglord' teenagers who will defend him no matter what.. also many people only know him from the short memes like the ben ones & dont actually watch his streams so without knowing full context they would probably defend him since he's grown popular thanks to memes
Wait fr???? I thought he was like playing a persona type thing n found him funny during the ben and angela and tom stuff but I haven't seen anything outside of those streams.
right?? in fact the first clip of him i ever saw was that one rape joke where he was like “who gon stop me” and i remember being like “wtf is wrong with this guy??” and everyone just laughed it off as a joke and i was so pissed off
i think he can be funny at times, but he goes overboard to appeal to his middle schooler audience with really offensive shit
@@lolaishotasf I saw a clip like that. It really didn’t come across as a joke since the woman he was saying it to didn’t seem to be in on it or amused, and he just started repeating it more loudly and with a more aggressive tone. It creeped me out but I think making people feel uncomfortable and potentially even unsafe is the intent of such “jokes”.
I'm a female and I've experienced sexism in my life. It didn't make me racist. I've never been like, "I've been discriminated against, so I'm going to go discriminate against someone else." I'm not sure how people posting racist things makes someone turn to, "All women are bitches." But that's just me. 🤷♀
i think it’s just frustration + it being normalised to be vile in the worst way possible, his platform just seems very toxic in general
yeah its almost like women got their rights last. smh. really anyone can be any kind of -ist. hell even some women somehow manage to be sexist against their own sex
@@boots1622fan that my gabby is called internalized misogyny
I'm sorry I don't know why but hearing 'im female and I've experienced sexism in my life' made me cackle 😭 i think its just because its something that usually goes unsaid (because every woman experiences it). Also ur comment is 100% !!!
And some of us are women and black so you can imagine how much of a stretch his argumentation is. We deal with racism and sexism. What he said hurts us as much or even more because his part of our community. It's a lame excuse from an emotionally stunted boy. A misogynistic one at that.
As a young girl and a past fan of Ishowspeed it’s scary seeing someone I watch and think is funny shout at a women for simply talking. I understand how being young and being watched by millions of viewers can put you under stress especially when there are thousands of haters along side it but saying all the women in the room should bow down to him is sickening.
Agreed, he kinda does need to tone it down and watch himself more
cultural division
@@lordzoro4568 He doesn't need to just tone it down, man needs THERAPY! Like how does he seriously say that stuff, especially as a man?? Nah thats a deep seeded issue rooted in misogyny both from him and society... therapy either way lmao
as a boy and also an ex-fan of speed, all of this stuff really isn’t funny. sexism is not funny. anyone who does should go to hell tbh. speed really needs help. i’m sorry for all of this.
@@bunniesbuns9931 in my opinion I think he’s blinded by all the clout and little kids watching and cheering him on. He’s gotten famous off that so he keeps going not seeing anything wrong with what he’s saying, I don’t actually think he’s misogynistic or a bad guy deep down, I think he just needs to reevaluate his character, but I could be totally wrong, just wanna give him the benefit of the doubt as I don’t wanna assume the worst of people, and yes I think therapy would do wonders for him.
ishowspeed has been enabled from the start. He's been live cussing out his mom, threatening girls who reject him, cussing out women, going on e-dates where he lies about his age(he was 16) and sending harrassment to his ex's. But the people I get most angry at are the adult men who go on these e-dates with him, see that he's a young, ignorant kid with extremely warped morals, and still give him the clout and push he needs to gain a larger fanbase.
Im getting tired of you white people
It’s hilarious sybau
@@IchorIsSweet whats hilarious is how edgy ur mf profile pic is 😭
@@idespisethisapp of course the anime pic is taking shit
@@IchorIsSweet anime > edginess also you literally like anime so stop talkin shit LMAOO
I was a fan of speed for ages he was pretty funny, but with the rape jokes, mysoginy, the horrible fan base and being a bit homophobic I stopped supporting him. Also most of the guys in my year at school are fans of him and honestly I’ve noticed them being worse to women and about the LGBTQ+ community. I don’t think speed understands the influence he has on people.
You where never a fan of ishowspeed if you didn’t know he did any of that 💀 you watched him yea but you wasn’t a fan
@@Stargazelol5 I mean I always knew but I just ignored it ig
Me too, i'm not a fan i just watched his videos and thought that he was kinda funny but i just found out about this and it's quite depressing.
@PATRICK did u not hear what he said
@PATRICK "He's got a sister and a mother, therefore, he can't be mysoginistic."
Everyone has a mother. If not, we wouldn't be biologically born. That argument is weaker than wet paper.
As for when he's been mysoginistic. Just the clips put in this video are enough evidence. The way he reffers to women as "females" is a common convention in incel dialect. The use of the tired old joke of washing dishes and the comment of "If you're a female on this server, you should bow down" are comments that indicate an idea that women should be subservient and relegated to house-keeping activities, a belief held by incels.
The rage and hatred in ISHOWSPEED's eyes when he was yelling about 'females' is terrifying. I've never seen such vile hatred, genuinely made me uncomfortable and scared. Fuck that.
it’s funny
@@lilfellavids 😐
@@lilfellavids it really ain’t funny dawg the shits a genuine issue.
@@BabyBlue1.1 that guy is just a racist and sexist bit. Block and report them.
You can hate women because you're young?
the ishowspeed kid was genuinely scary, like keep all women away from him
His fanbase is worse than him
I see alot of clips of his fans purposefully trying to get him pissed off or sometimes try to make him cry
by saying insensitive stuff, I lowkey think he needs to go to therapy.
Hes funny sometimes, but most of the time he's really bad
Lol you weird
@@FreakyOverhaul sounds like he needs to stop streaming forever lol
His fanbase is worst bruh way worst
nah he wouldn’t actually hurt a woman
as a person who had anger issues as a kid I can recognize ishowspeed needs some SERIOUS therapy regarding that
Youre white
@@Ok-vs7fj wtf
I feel like he’s acting for content honestly
@@morganjean9056 yea but you can see right thru the act sometimes that he needs hell
@@Ok-vs7fj nthn wrong w bein white
The ishowspeed dude has an even worse moment where he asked a woman on a dating stream if they were the last two on earth - if she would bang him. She said no. He then went on a rampage of saying “who’s gonna stop me?” Over and over and over
It was disturbing.
damn; what a psycho -- anybody got the clip?
Yeah i watched it and he had made the joke and i was like "oh that's a little funny if the girl is in on the joke" but then he kept repeating it. Over. And over. And the girl looked really uncomfortable and then i realized it wasn't a joke 😐
It’s even worse that people try to defend it being like:
“Guys. It’s just a character. It doesn’t reflect him as a person.”
It doesn’t matter, if you’re hurting or making people uncomfortable “as a character” you’re still hurting or making people uncomfortable.
It isn’t lol
@@SNK_LRD "officer please, you're all just taking my bomb threat too seriously! i wasn't REALLY going to blow up all those kindergarteners! what do you mean that's a felony? I was just playing a character!"
ishowspeed makes me so uncomfortable. he’s made rape “jokes” towards women. it’s so disgusting. he’s so outrageous.
@Gotta Blast24
Guys look I found a misinformed 12 year old that was accidently let on the Internet!
@@abdoonyt9049 uve ever seen a woman?
@@gottablast2438 you're so funny haha, I bet your parents are proud of you and definitely don't wanna send you to the adoption centre and regret giving birth to you. 💞
@@abdoonyt9049 you've clearly never even made eye contact with a woman, so maybe you should cry about that :'(((((((
@@little_stinker_ cry more
There is absolutely NO WAY that that first thing wasn't him drawing blackface. That's so fucking stereotypical there's no way in hell it was an accident
i think he started it as blackface and did the lips and then in his mind realized, "shit i probably shouldn't do this" and went with the joker but was too stupid to realize that that makes it worse.
Also i like to imagine him watching the clip multiple times over to see what he could say the guy resembles as a coverup. he's just sitting there like, "i could say i was trying to do the poop emoji, nope that's even worse, WAIT i got it, i could say i was doing mr potato head!!!!"
@@salemisjuucy LMAO yeah that thought process must have been wild
He literally said blackface as he was doing it
You may disagree with me but I don't think Soda drew the blackface out of blatant racism, but moreso out of being a complete idiot and not thinking about what he was doing. The mr. potato shit was obviously bull and a hilariously bad excuse. That being said, this does show his racist tendancies. Implicit or not.
@@smellycat57 I mean...that's the nature of implicit biases
The amount of misogyny in the gaming sphere is insane. And then gamers wonder why "normies" don't take them seriously and label them as women-hating basement dwellers. Dude... it's because you are.
and then they go off saying that women “have it easier” in game lobbies etc. or that “misogyny doesn’t exist” but they don’t see it because they are the ones being misogynistic and sh*t talking at women on a game for no apparent reason. it really sucks
The ableism that goes with it too...
And then when women talk about how so many men In the gaming community are misogynistic they go “not all men” it’s a hell lot of men that’s for sure id even say majority
@@Moomoo000 And the only ones saying it "isn't" all men...are referring to the men who don't play 99% of the time.
There's a reason game companies have troubles hiring women 😥 the ratio is bad
dream, no matter his stance on doxxing, should NOT be directly tagging accs (especially smaller ones) knowing that his fan base has an issue with doxxing. he should know as a larger creator that not everyone is gonna like him, and if he acts like this every time someone tries to critique or speak against him i’m not so sure he should have that large of a platform
Whether or not Dream is malicious, it can’t be glossed over that he’s insanely irresponsible with his power.
Kinda makes a huge part of his DSMP character where it’s “abuses/manipulate the child members in the server to get his way” feels like a very weird power fantasy when you see his tweets about how he feels satisfied when people private their accounts.
@@SNK_LRD This, & the superiority complex aspect of his character... Are uh... REALLY starting to seem like they're not just fictional character traits.
@@SNK_LRD this is a really dangerous thing to say, you really need to be careful saying things like this.
@@trulyc bru
@@SNK_LRD hes acting in a literal minecraft roleplay… how idiotic are you to think this character and his actual personality are the same?
“Jason sees women as different people when he plays video games because he can’t disconnect the way he sees the entire gender romantically and sexually“ holy cow, well-stated
This is why I will never date or Marry a man. All of them seem gross.
He earned my sub the moment he said that
Ishowspeed does what i'm most scared of. I feel grossed out just hearing him scream. I love to play video games and i'm in a lot of sports team like baseball and football that are mostly dominated by men. I always play in mix teams as i find it fun to have a diverse team but when ever i hear a guy on the other team pass comments at me saying of course the girl is bad. For every little mess up i do, it stresses me out cause now what ever i do all they'll see me as the proof "woman are weak". Can't we women just be treated as humans. We aren't below men, we are humans like them. (Btw i know not every guy is like that)
you probably watch 'comfort streamers' unironically 💀
@@fliqet3524 this guy keeps replying to others cause he has to defend speed 😂 just ignore him
Bro using the exact same response too. Like, at least spice it up..
@@fliqet3524 you radiate fatherless energy
@@mermadi_ you’re white
Wait. Wasn’t IShowSpeed in this twitch dating game where he was incredibly sexist (and threatened r*pe) towards the woman who said she wouldn’t have sex with him if they were the only two people on earth?
Yeah.. that happened. Way before all of this stuff too, and while lots of people do care and try to call him out, I notice they're usually blocked out by Speed's fans
That question is so stupid cause ur kids would have to have kids with eachother. He should just say: U interested in me? And if she said no, he should’ve moved on.
@@thatrandomchick4004 that’s literally what she said, she said she wouldn’t because their kids would have to procreate with eachother and he blew up
He repeatedly said “who’s gonna stop me?” It was really gross
@@tleigh4583 he was being an edgy troll on the internet. Yall take that kid too seriously.
he really said “I’m not a misogynist” immediately followed by “you’re being such a **girl** about it” 🥴
ya like how are you going to say you're not misogynistic/sexists and then your insult is "girl" 💀
@@hinamatsuro1908 because it’s stereotyping women as weak and annoying, which is inherently misogynistic.
@@gentlesandladymen I mean they are but you didn't hear that from me.
"I'm NOT homophobic. Calling me homophobic is *gay*."
@@Ixe2077 haha get it because incel is = funny right? Hhaahahhaahhahah🤣
As someone who used to be a dream stan, I think everyone knows that what he’s doing is irresponsible and simply not okay. Most of the fans defending him are only doing so because they think way too highly of the man
yeah same here, the worst part is that he’s not necessarily a terrible person, but it’s gotten to a point where he’s stupid with his fame and he knows the power he holds against anyone against him
i agree with you and the person who commented above me, i hope one day he takes at least a year break from the internet and start to realize and maybe manage his fanbase more maturely rather than letting them loose like a bunch of wild ass dogs attacking and barking at people
Also because they are 14 year old children
@@wisteriafleur3522 i wish they were 14 yr old children, at least we could hope they'll grow out of it. most of the people defending him are over 16/17 which is concerning
@@Sam-be8qy Jesus christ, ok wait hold on give me a moment to let that sink in
honestly, I've been a fan of ishowspeed for about a month, and I've been realizing the jokes he started making about rap*ng little girls and sexist "jokes" in his recent videos i just went over. then later (i just seen this,) he makes an apology for those things, brings up about 7 excuses, says he is making no excuses, then CONTINUES to talk, constantly, about rap*ng girls and sexist remarks towards women just because they are a woman. As a woman myself hearing this come from such a hugely loved creator makes me incredibly sad. This is disgusting behavior to show to people online, knowing that you have female fans, even if you don't. This is literally so fucked up and I HOPE the gaming community and society open their eyes and realizes this and stops supporting him. if I wouldn't have come across this ONE video talking about this, I would continue supporting him, thank you for making this video and making people and women fans of him pay attention to this.
@Galactic Galaxy yeah you're right, but like he's funny too
"he makes an apology for those things, brings up about 7 excuses, says he is making no excuses, then CONTINUES to talk" he said he didnt WANT to make excuses never said he wasnt going to lol
@@largemouthman6806 people who hate women to that extent dont get the right to be called "funny"
@@fliqet3524 is it getting tiring replying this same thing to multiple comments?
To say the dude is loved is a real stretch. His community is unbelievably toxic, and they troll him as much as they troll people who attack him. When he said in his apology video that he was getting fucked up donations I had no trouble believing it. His entire channel is a negative feedback loop that causes him and his community to become more toxic people the longer they hang around each other. He arguably has one of the strangest relationships with his chat I've ever seen, it's truly bizarre and very disturbed.
"is a female talking to me right now?" ... Yeah probably the only who ever will.
you probably watch 'comfort streamers' unironically 💀
@@fliqet3524 you've probably never had a father figure
@@Lameashellcosplay I got one unlike you 💀
@@fliqet3524 Why you keep putting the same reply under comments?
@@fantasticworlds9257 am I wrong?
Also, I'd like to point out that BEING doxed counts as "something happening." Sure, it's not the same as some stalker slashing your tires or whatever, but it's still not only 1) illegal (at least in the US) but also 2) incredibly harmful, mentally and physically, EVEN IF nothing else happens. Knowing that your personal information -- name, age, location, etc. -- is publicly available is _unbelievably_ traumatizing. I feel like a lot of people who haven't been on the receiving end of doxing underestimate how fucking soul-destroying it can be. And, to be honest, in many ways it's _worse_ when you only have "like seven followers," because then you also don't have a huge fanbase that's mostly supportive.
Unfortunately doxxing is technically not illegal if the information is publicly available. If the person’s social security number is posted, then yes, it is illegal. But full name, address, phone number-unfortunately completely legal to post. There are tons of background check sites and other types of directories that have people’s personal info publicly available. Definitely not saying I agree with any of this btw
This is going to sound really bad (only talking about the first point btw), but like someone else pointed out, it depends how you got doxxed. I recommend reading about OSINT, a really scary and creepy field that's 100% legal, and chances are most people get doxxed just from this, there is really no need for ilegal stuff.
As for the last part (the worse one), and talking about real danger its true you don't get support but since you are not an "onlice figure" people don't care about you, they "scare you off" (traumatize you, as you said) and then move on. If you are a public figure (yes, even with a bunch of supporters) then your risk its like x1000, because there are people who actually hate you and want to hurt you and get obsessive with you, ex: that team of doxxers who harrassed Dream back in 2020/21 for months and keep on spreading his info on trending #'s, and till this day there are people who keep on trying to find more stuff on him bc of how much they hate him (obsessive / stalkerish).
I don't think its worse for someone who can delete the acc and made another one (and chances are the doxxers don't care at this point) vs someone who has an online presence, just my opinion obviously. Psychologically i don't think its fair to compare tho so im not going to, everyone is different on the way they take this kind of stuff, some get hit really hard and others just take some days off and move on, regardless of their following/support.
the fact that doxxing exists is why i always try to avoid posting real info about myself as much as possible, cant get doxxed if they have no real info to find me with
exactly !! if i’m someone with SEVEN followers i’d be extremely fucking freaked out compared to if i had ( however many dream has )
Especially because non-millionares can't move, can't hire security etc. (Also as a queer person and a woman, I'd be so scared if all my info was just out there)
Speeds fanbase if fu**Ing insane! 💀 I don't gaf if he's "young" or "still learning", he's is still an influencer with an audience so he should take responsibility for the stuff that comes out of his mouth, and only if someone was rude to you doesn't give you a right to act like that Infront of millions of people who are mostly impressionable kids. He has anger issues that he needs to take care of privately and not rage Infront of millions. He overall sucks as an influencer and to be frank he isn't even funny either. He needs therapy and raging at people on random servers isn't the way to do it. He's fan base is quite toxic as well
I’m pretty sure I’m about a year younger than him and I’ve never been so embarrassed about someone being this aggressive and sexist so boldly. The fact that most people my age and even younger knows how to act and what to say , and the fact that he is using that as an excuse is beyond me , he knows what he’s saying is wrong and I’d like to see what his mother thinks about his nasty words😝
Cope
Honestly, he's not too far off in age to where I am. Scary to think he's just less than a year older than me...
I hate when ppl say “they’re just a kid” and that “kid” would be 16 or 17 years old 🤦♀️
@Galactic Galaxy someone younger than 13-14 I would consider a kid, and for those who ppl say are “still young and learning” I’d say 14-19. But after that and even for 17-19 year olds it feels like they should right from wrong by then
ishowspeed is literally terrifying in these clips
How
calm down
no idea how that bellend has fans over the age of 13
@@WyaSlay idk he low key acts like a psychopath prob 🗿
@@olive4093 you should tell that to ishowspeed, who is screaming at a woman who didn't speak to him at all and was just playing a game.
“I am not a misogynist! You were supposed to defend me as a character witness because you know I’m not a misogynist!” uses girl as an insult 10 seconds later. Amazing comedic timing. That could not have been funnier.
How you gonna say female as an insult? How childish you have to be to call someone a girl and think you did something. Not funny.
Ya my grandpa uses a feminine name to insult our dogs. It's Trudy. I asked him the significance and he said it was because it's a girl's name. I don't get it....
I thought it was some sort of reference lol
But not according to him 🫤
He was only doing it to be offensive, the crazier he acts the more his fans watch (they really do send him awful shit just to provoke him and he encourages it by giving them what they want, he really needs to get off the internet for his own sake)
And then he complains that people call him misogynist lol
@@MayvaAva And then he complains it makes the mask slip lol
bUt WoMeN hAvE tHeIr OwN sTrEnGtHs--It'S tOtAlLy NoT aN iNsUlT
“I was having a bad day” okay cool, when im having a bad day i dont go around saying misogynistic or racist or homophobic shit. If you say shit like that you are more than likely sexis/racist/homophonic. When im having a bad day i am irritable but id never ever say anything like that. It’s a bullshit excuse.
fr. i mean i understand if someone is mad? but people dont just randomly make offensive things up THAT BAD to say to other people on a game
@@_eIIa_I’m sorry that happened to you, may she rest in peace :(
@@ImInYourHouse777 THANK YOU.
@@shea9632 thank you
Fr, if I’m mad and feel like I’m gonna lash out at someone I just go to my room to cool off or if it’s really _that_ bad I take it out by hitting a pillow and jumping around or something. There are so many things to do when you’re having a bad day to get your emotions out in a healthy way that doesn’t hurt anyone. Being young isn’t an excuse either bc I’m younger than Speed and I don’t start spewing bigoted bullshit when I’ve had a bad day, never have, and neither does anyone I know that’s my age. It’s just bullshit
Maybe its just because im autistic and i hate screaming but when the ishowspeed guy started violently screaming at that women for talking it scared the absolute shit out of me. Like i felt a primal fear from that
Also i think ballslover32 deserves an honorary mention for beefing with dream
I don't want this to come off as rude, but please stop labeling normal behavior as "autistic". It makes way for self-diagnosers to be like "Oh look, an autistic person gets scared by yelling, I get scared by yelling, therefore I'm autistic!"
Be cautious of what you say online lol.
For the record, nearly anyone gets scared by yelling (or at least uncomfortable). That's why people yell; it's to assert dominance over the "weak". When you get scared by yelling, that's normal. That's human instinct. Your nature is telling you that someone is trying to assert their dominance over you, and you react because you don't like it.
I hope that explains it!
@@nomoretwitterhandles idk if im reading this right because im on 2 edibles rn but are you neurtypical? Because im just saying hearing screaming, even if its from far away and not directed at me, makes me get anxiety attacks. I wanted to know if it was a "normal" response to react to the way he behaved, even knowing i was in no way connected to his anger
@@snakesareprettycoolifyouas756 Then you should clarify as such.
But no, I'm not a neurotypical, and it's kind of douchey for you to assume that (I'm not calling you a douche, but I am telling you to watch what you say because I am personally offended by that assumption).
I am very noise sensitive AND I have an auditory processing disorder, not to mention I have MDD, nightly panic attacks, anxiety, and.. well I don't have to list them out like Pokemon, it's not that big of a deal and frankly it's unimportant. So just because I didn't like something you said doesn't mean I'm magically free of all disorders.
Regardless, yes, it is normal to get anxious when you hear someone yell or scream, even from far away. That's actually an appropriate response. If you heard someone scream and you didn't worry, I'd be a little suspicious.
However, if you're having anxiety ATTACKS from something like that, then you just have bad anxiety. It has nothing to do with autism. You may have some deeper trauma related to screaming/yelling, or you might be overly anxious (because anxiety does that sometimes lmao) which can lead to paranoia in such cases.
Autism can increase your anxiety levels, but the fear of yelling is only directly linked to the anxiety, not the autism.
If screaming/yelling is a noise trigger that causes you to behave irrationally and lash out (like those who are more affected by autism), then THAT would be an autistic trait.
Some people with autism aren't able to function or mask the same way most neurotypical people do, and certain noises can cause them to react aggressively.
As an example, I have an autistic cousin and he's mostly nonverbal, and hearing sirens can cause him to be very aggressive and hit people, which is a symptom of his autism.
To put it simply, you are not exhibiting autistic behavior in this particular circumstance UNLESS you are specifically reacting in a way that is a genuine autistic trait. If that makes sense.
@@nomoretwitterhandles If you don't have autism, then why the hell are you explaining autism to somebody who is autistic. It's so fucking douchey and patronizing when people do this shit to us. Like honestly, it drives me fucking NUTS when non-autistic people think they know more about us than we do.
Just because you have an autistic cousin and you're not neurotypical does not mean you know more about autism than ACTUAL AUTISTIC PEOPLE. How would you like it if a NT person explained all of your symptoms to you like a child, while making wild assumptions about their life.
Also; nobody is self diagnosing off of a tiktok video or youtube comment. If you were actually part of the autistic community or knew anything about it, then you would know that self-diagnosis is widly accepted and valid (AFTER someone does years worth of research on it, and learning about themselves).
You're also showing BLATANT ableism in your comment, saying "If screaming/yelling is a noise trigger that would cause you to behave irrationally or lash out, that would be an autistic symptom". This is incredibly insulting, and just untrue. Overstimulation and sound sensitivities can CAUSE panic attacks, and while some autistic people may lash out, not all of us are the same. Some of us might just cover our ears, or not react at all due to masking. Also, they are referred to as autistic TRAITS. Not SYMPTOMS. Also, it's a spectrum. Y'know, in the name. Not every autistic person is going to react the same way to certain stimulus. There is no rigid one way that autistic traits will present, it's different in everyone.
STOP SPEAKING FOR AUTISTIC PEOPLE STOP ASSUMING YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT AUTISM THAN AUTSTIC PEOPLE
This was INCREDIBLY offensive and ableist, and you were incorrect in multiple instances. Speaking as an autistic person who is studying autism in college.
@@nomoretwitterhandles i legit am diagnosed with autism. Idk why you feel the need to explain how my reaction is average when you have never seen what i do in the situation. I dont feel like writing a whole ass novel to make a comment about how i felt the need to run and hide from the dude screaming in the video.
Also even if you say "not calling you a douche lol" youre still calling me a douche. Youre not being slick.
Jason mentioning he "was not a good person to his wife" reveals so much. He obviously cheated on her and blames the situation/the women instead of himself. He doesn't want to talk to women bc he thinks he would start inappropriately talking to other women again.
And yet he's been caught to be liking lewd pics from female cosplayers on his main twitter account 🥴
Yikes, I didn't catch that part. I think you probably described the situation perfectly. Which is unfortunate for his wife.
Just screams “I can’t see women as multi-faceted conscious human being outside of viewing them as a thing for sexual pleasure”
OH SHET TELL EM
the fact that people are genuinely afraid of saying anything against dream or even something that might be inconvenient in some way, speaks for itself that dream's community is not as great as it could be. of course not everyone is bad, most of them are great, im sure. however they have the ability to dox people and had done so in the past. in every community you can find people who are simply toxic and this one isn't different. i don't believe dream meant any harm but he definitely should be more considerate of his stans.
sure, he can't control them and if they do something bad, it's not directly his fault. yet, every content creator should be aware of their influence
absolutely. like you said every fandom is toxic to a certain extent and that's exacerbated by how big the fandom is as well. being that big of a content creator comes with at least some responsibility over your fanbase
Dream's approach to his fanbase's problems hasn't been done wholeheartedly. I'm not saying that he didn't try, but alot of his talks on stream about them have just been very passive. Like telling a kis,"oh know, don't do that."while not looking at your toddler jump off the roof. He may disavow the people who dox others on his behalf, but they still watch and worship him. I think the age of his fanbase is a part of this problem and it will get better as they grow older, but right now, he needs to step up and admit that he has control over what his audience does. Not his fans, his audience.
@@anothercub6958 absolutely, but there's not much he CAN do besides saying he does not condone that type of behavior. all he could start doing differently is probably adress these situations by talking about his personal experience getting doxxed? i don't know if it would work, but it's definitely an attempt
@@bellelelelelele4002 Maybe changing the way he approaches it. Actually taking the time to talk about it seriously, not trying to be apologetic about it could help
@@bellelelelelele4002 He could stop starting drama on twitter. It’s incredibly easy to avoid replying to people
Speed is... Legit one year older than me.... Saying "Ya know, I'm young" is the MOST DISGUSTING EXCUSE I'M HEARING WITH PEOPLE MY AGE LIKE WHAT. Your age isn't an excuse, dude. You can be young and still be a decent human being, you can be young and be more cultured/mature than any adult out there. It's not about age, it's about YOU as a person. Cuz being sexist doesn't come with a tag that says "you can be this is if you're 10+ till 18 years old". It's about YOUR BEHAVIOUR and PERSONALITY. I actually thought this guy was chill until I saw this. Can't believe how a 16 year old can behave like this... It's disgusting.
He just hit 10 mil subs he up fr
Idgaf he's pretty funny ngl
@@hasspass8751 Idc 👍
@@sewirut6423 you just mad a young black king is killing it in the game lol now go wash the dishes
@@lancestewart3327 Wow, I think I also might be famous now if a 10 yo is trying to insult me lol. First: Get a chick to pay you a glance, bc you clearly haven't gotten any female attention aside from your mum's. Second: Kiddo, go to school and learn some things. Life isn't about being an idiot on the internet bc you see another kid letting his anger issues take the best of him. Third: If I were your parents (speed and yours), I would be disappointed for raising THIS. Ashamed, at worst. Because how could I do such a bad job making people that later will be part of the society? Just to not do anything worth it, ig. So, don't be slacking. Work on yourself 👍
Jason R: “I’m not a misogynist”
Also Jason R: *uses the word girl as a pejorative*
@@Himanshi.Y i think they meant derogative
@@Himanshi.Y it’s basically using a word with a negative connotation, so him saying girl as a negative thing :(
"You chose to be a fucking girl about it" dug his own grave 💀
You guys love making a big deal outta nothing
@@IchorIsSweet huh
@@daichisawamura20yearsago64 you guys are seriously shitting yourselves over him calling somebody a girl?
@@IchorIsSweet wtf
@@aurora_sleeping_beauty_ cry
Jason not only refuses to play with women, but also bans them from his stream if he notices. And the whole thing about respecting his wife is bullshit, he was caught liking pictures of women in lingerie on twitter.
That last part 😬😬😬
What in the fuck
he only uses his wife as an excuse because he sees her as his scapegoat since shes "his property"
yikes, he and his wife really need a divorce
are you telling me this dude has a wife? jesus
the gaming community is so riddled with misogyny, it makes me sick
Honestly, If you call yourself a "gamer", i consider that a red flag.
Like i play videogames sometimes, but i dont base my identity around that...
@@peltimies2469 it makes me ashamed to like games as much as i do
@@peltimies2469 tell that to the trans community whos whole life is about their sexuality.
Exactly! I play games a lot, I have friends that play games too, but I would rather not consider myself a gamer because of the community 💀
it's not just gaming, its in Hollywood, it's in the law, it's in our music. It's an ancient global problem.
That ishowspeed guy is actually the worst, everything that's come out of his mouth has been so disgusting
his brainless stans are way worse but yes he is the worst
Facts
For real whenever I watch him I just see a guy raging and being genuinely sexist disturbing and weird af
i had to pause the video to recover from that. i expected bad but nothing like that
@@dr.mritunjaykumar5373 speed isn’t sexist everytime you watch him 💀 watch speed last ten streams he changed
Fucking yikes, that Ishowspeed guy got problems. "That clip was from months ago, I'm different now" you don't change into a better person within two months lmao
n word he black do dishes racism LMAO hahah! 🤣 😜
You can definitely change in 2 months 💀
@@Stargazelol5 you can't and he still hasn't even though he claims he has changed 💀
@@Stargazelol5 You might be able to with therapy or something, but its definitely rare.
I've dealt with people like this claiming theyve changed when only 1 month has passed and they were literally calling every single one of my friends slurs😭
"you don't change into a better person within two months" but there's so many possibilities and ways to do that
You don't have to worry about rumors about you with other women if you're a trusted, faithful person in relationships. If these dudes see simply playing with another stranger, that happens to be a woman, as dangerous for their relationship... idk seems like a personal issue. But I would never wanna play games with the likes of ninja or jasonr.
He could also just have his community on check for shipping behavior and/or hate instead of not playing with women.
@@peetahbread7921 that...is a trust issue.
@@peetahbread7921 Because it's a ridiculous fear and isn't something to be blatantly misogynistic over.
@@peetahbread7921 So you're saying misogyny is okay?
@@peetahbread7921 So she is okay with the twitch chat shipping her husband with other dudes?
Nothing stops the Internet from shipping whoever the want so it doesn’t make sense that she doesn’t want to play with other women because of shipping.
It makes her sound insecure about her marriage and she cares about what people think.
Imagine you kill somebody and in your defense you say “well judge, you see, I was having a bad day, and I’m still young” 😢
I'm very disappointed,HAHAHAHAHA
“Judge, I didnt mean to gut grandpa sam in his own front yard, but people online were being mean to me :’(“
Huge props to Tarik for standing up against Jason like that. Speaking from experience, it’s extremely difficult to separate yourself from a toxic friend, especially one that’s manipulated you into thinking you owe them your friendship. But Tarik did what he knew to be right, even if it meant betraying his “friend”, which I find very admirable 👏
the fact that dream said “nothing happens to you if you get doxxed you’ll be fine” is absolutely stupid and false. people get swatted which can lead to innocent people being shot, arrested etc. not only does the user gets put in danger but everyone in the household is in danger too. some people might go to the house themselves and do god knows what. that user from twitter was also a minor which is just messed up, and he shouldn’t blame them for fearing for their life
the minor never got doxxed, just privated their acc
He meant it in a reassuring way. If anything he's trying to make the people with anxiety feel better. I can see how it seems like a dumb thing to say. It's a dumb statement and maybe he should've worded it better but he wasn't entirely wrong.
People that DOX people should be executed. Seriously.
He never said that. He tried to calm down people who might have gotten threats. All people who DID get doxxed were DREAM FANS. Everyone privating after being qrted by Dream did it because they were "scared of getting doxxed", but never got doxxed, nevr even got harrased. After looking on the qrted tweet, it had like 30 comments and 35 qrts, telling them wrong, no attacks, nothing. LITERALLY ANYONE can private and say "I am scared of getting doxxed", it means nothing. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them later came out saying they never got doxxed. Not even mentioning Dream himself getting doxxed multiple times, along with his entire family including 13yo sister. Dreams doxx was literally TRENDING on Twitter, people were spamming all that stuff along with death threats. Should Dream not fear for his life having his doxxed info everywhere?
I think he meant if you had a small following you wouldn't harmed it was just poorly worded
ISHOWSPEED needs to take some time off for some anger management issues Jesus Christ
This behavior is very common in val. Many times I've been in a lobby with a guy that is angry, but gets violently angry as soon as a girl talks. It's concerning tbh.
IKR ToT
It's sad because I genuinely thought some of his clips were funny when I first saw them. Then I learned about how he treats women
Like Speed gets TONS of hate from even his own fanbase. Someone is always making fun of him. That mixed with being young and streaming must make him pretty stressed or feel the need to freak out in even more ridiculous ways to get attention. Because "any attention on the internet is good attention".
It really does suck to see someone who probably had loads of potential turn out this way.
(Btw him being sexist can absolutely also stem from him.. just being sexist lol, not just from wanting to grab attention)
@@brandyc9645 what the hell? Why is almost the gaming community hate women..? Tf what we do💀
The WAY my heart rate spiked when ishowspeed started yelling-
you probably watch 'comfort streamers' unironically 💀
I swear if u hear hum in a shooting incident u wouldnt be shocked...
@@imthatgirlagain or something like orlando brown who hit his girl in a police station parking lot
@@fliqet3524 dawg why did you comment this everywhere? What's wrong with feeling comfy? Watching comforting stuff is nice after a long day, just to unwind and relax. And comfort streamers are different for each person-one's could be a noisy and goofy ass gamer who screams at every jumpscare. Another comfort streamer could be some random woman tapping the mic and going all "hey there shawty lemme whisper in your ear, tell you something you might like to hear", lol.
let people be people ^v^
@@bbaugher2419 u got no friends
As a girl who has just started gaming recently, I’ve never experienced so much blatant sexism and verbal abuse related to my gender… also pretty much every other game I also get guys rage quitting if they literally miss one shot against me, or guys just quitting the game when they see they’re on a team with me…
I had a guy who is pfp on discord was of himself shirtless and he tried so hard to get me to compliment him. I've had dudes who during a raid in Destiny 2 ignore me when I try to explain to them how the game works, the worst is this dude flat out ignored me, and it took my friend who is a dude for him to actually listen to me. I think the worst was when a group of dudes told me my existence wasn't needed. Like my whole self was a waste. All because they didn't want to listen to me. That was definitely the run that broke me for a bit, now if a dude said that I'd kick them but man it always hurts the first time around.
@@Olivia-dg4fb Both you and the original commenter don't deserve what you're getting, but know that people with a level head have your back.
And that’s why I keep my gender unknown in games. I just don’t bring it up.
And if people ask? “I’m a grown up person thank you.”
@Miriam Svenson I know right? I mean, it’s 2022 and we’re still fighting for equality. Absolutely amazing of mankind
Cope
I think the "I've never been so scared to talk about a creator as much as this guy" kinda speaks for itself. That's proof enough with just how you feel that the whole situation is fucked. The fact that anyone who speaks even close to what could be considered as "negitivly" about him are scared to do so because of his fanbase. Like. I enjoy the DSMP! I keep up with the other CCs in it! But *everyone* is scared of him and his fans because of how they act and the image they've made for themselves. It's honestly insane that there could be a group of *that* many people who are like that, and think acting like that is ok or "quirky" or "cute" or whatever they think they are by acting like that. I just cant wrap my head around it.
I think the main reason his fans tend to be so reactive to any criticism is because there have been so many time where stuff labeled as "criticism" was really just mindless hate and a ton of misinformation. It is really easy to be very defensive when that is what you're used to. The truth is, a ton of Dream stans are just as scared as everyone else, but for the reason of liking Dream, not criticizing him.
This is just speculation but I honestly think dream enjoys that power. He likes that he has an army of underlings that will harm other at his behest. Despite him never directly supporting their behaviour it’s obvious he doesn’t completely object, he seems to implicitly encourage it
@@gm6393 this comment is complete bs. He has said so many times to not leave hate and he doesn't
Claim the people that do.
@@Grace-uk9er That's no excuse to attack and harass someone, especially since Dream will always be far more influential than almost any person online that criticises him. Do people like to hate on Dream? Yes, because he did a lot of things to make himself hateable, such as his entire conduct during the cheating scandal which can be surmised as "shitty" to say the least. Dream stans are very aggressive, parasocial children, and although Dream can afford to have a smaller income than he does right now, which would be a consequence of taking serious action to pacify and perhaps even rectify his fanbase's behaviour, he chooses not to. What does that say about him as a streamer and person? Nothing flattering, that's for sure.
@@teethcoat4274 I never said it was an excuse. It was a reason. And for all the harassment that Dream antis face, there is just as much that Dream stans face. You seem to be under the impression that when it comes to Dream stans harassing people that Dream is just silent on the matter. News flash: that is the opposite of the truth, at any point it is relevant, Dream tells people not to harass other people, even ones who hate him. He is well aware of how volatile his fandom is, and he does his best to combat that. So what more do you want him to do? Lie down and play dead when thousands of accounts are harassing and threatening him? It’s really a very normal thing to do to defend yourself in that scenario. Plus, he does have adhd and part of that is being impulsive. Sure you can do stuff to combat that, but to some extent, as much as someone with adhd may try to stop it, they will still make impulsive decisions. He’s made tweets without thinking before that has set off his fandom. Nothing for the most part that was really out of line, but he recognized that his tweet did more harm than good and deleted it. That’s not to say that he can’t defend himself, cause he’s perfectly within his right to do so. The thing I wonder about is if Dream antis have ever had a lesson in internet safety. Do they know that if their account is public, anyone can respond to it? They should know that if their account is public that it is on them to if someone with a large following reply’s to them, for good or for ill. Not to say that those who have been harassed by Dream stans deserve it, cause no one deserves harassment, even those who started the harassment. But they know what they’re getting themselves into. And yeah, Dream has done some dumb things in the past and a lot of people hate him for it, but I’m not going to really get into that cause it’d take too long. But I think he’s a good person and so do lots of other people. And at the end of the day, he’s just a guy. Maybe have a little empathy for a change.
it's great to see men calling other men out on misogyny, because while i (a Female™) would love to, i also don't want to get murdered
omg i'm gonna use "because i, a Female™," from now on, thanks x 🥰
HAH GOT 'EM YOU JUST GOT FIFTY FIFTY'D
dream as a whole feels like a social experiment ☠️
I saw a Tumblr post saying that Dream’s content and the Dream SMP were a social experiment created by Danny Gonzalez.
@@PissWarlock haha, they actually made a april fools joke together. i think dream sent them to his channel and said danny was his face. something like that.
@@PissWarlock I saw a post like that as well! It was more along the lines of "Danny Gonzales is Dream and he created dsmp and decided to see how far he could push the fandom to see what would happen"
But it was still pretty funny
And they have failed it
exactly and especially cause of the new un-face reveal stuff cause ain't no way this dude is real or smth
damn the ishowspeed clip is such a clear example of someone who's embarrassed lashing out by overcompensating, in real time
what?
@@djayden4661 can you read?
@@djayden4661 the guy was embarrassed by his performance in game, and then felt attacked when the others made fun of him. So he lashed out at the only person who (he thought) he was better than.
And it happened in real time.
Kinda a useless comment, really misses most of the point, but is true
@@beng.5067 A better explanation
@@beng.5067 he wasn't actually embarrassed by his performance in game. And nor was he actually upset by anything they said. Speed plays a character. Now that "character" is very cringe,toxic. He definitely needs to reevaluate how he caters to his fans entertainment because being sexist and everything else is still weird even when ur playing a "character".
hey Nick just a heads up wanted to make you aware in case you didn't realise that you didn't upload this on a monday 😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕
yeah i did! you’re just misled and wrong! i’m right! you’re wrong!
@@nickisnotgreen yeah, exactly, it is monday if only nick says so! do you not trust him
I’m so disappointed, I can’t believe you Nick.
britbonger detected, opinion discarded
Hi Tara
For the love of god Dream needs to hire a PR manager. Legit like 90% of his controversies wouldn’t exist if someone just proofread his tweets
this is the truest thing I’ve seen all day
so fucking true omg
the fact that you have to walk on eggshells about a single content creator goes to show how a few bad eggs (gonna roll with the egg puns) can spoil an omelet. like the odd almost infantilization (is that a word) of a lot of men online is such an odd thing to me. from content creators from twitch to unnamed foreign boybands
There was a time when Sykkuno fans bullied Valkirae (I think it was her) because he "looked sad when she yelled at him" during an among us game. Like y'all he's over 30. He can handle himself.
also the fact that you have to be afraid of making a video talking about someone because of how unpredictable the fans around them is, is a problem in itself and i think that creators need to do what you’re doing and let their fans know that there are boundaries that shouldn’t be crossed. i think you did a great job with the stories and explaining both sides, thank you nick :)
I'm just wondering, what do you think Dream can do to better prevent this from happening? He's already talked about how much he disapproves of harassing etc. People multiple times, and ultimately a CC only has a certain amount of control over their fanbase/ whoes in it (not to excuse his actions i just mean in general). What else do you think he could do?
@@S.mu8yz Genuinely? I feel like setting more boundaries for himself would be the best way to help control the fanbase.
In my experience, people learn to respect boundaries from the people around them, and since many of his fans are pretty young and probably still learning how to act on the internet, that would help them realize that there ARE lines that cannot be crossed.
Dream would probably do pretty well with an older/more experienced fanbase that knows what is and is not alright to do.
A lot of the time he kinda reminds me of something I'm currently working on - learning to say no to people, or just outright tell them they are making me uncomfortable, but without letting my emotions control me (ADHD does not make that skill easier to learn).
@@lilia3944 can you clarify a bit what you mean by boundaries? I feel like he's pretty good at setting boundaries for himself. When he doesn't want to do something that may cross his boundaries/ he doesn't want to do (for example not wanting to join MCC one time etc) he doesn't. And I totally get that 😭 BP and ADHD can both make it difficult.
@@S.mu8yz Oh yeah I didn't really mean boundaries for what he does or doesn't want to do, but maybe for his fans?
It sounds kind of strange because if he's okay with them making a large range of content about him then that should of course be fine, but a lot of those people seem to think that they can act like that in other fandoms or towards other fans, which of course isn't the case bc if someone hasn't said they're comfortable with something then it should be assumed they are not.
That being said, of course he shouldn't have to, like, parent his fans, "how to not act like a moron on the internet" should honestly just be a school subject at this point.
@@S.mu8yz Dream might not actively be telling his fans to go harass people, but he needs to recognize that his audience is very VERY young and will act on any opinions he chooses to share.
I know people go on and on about how he should be allow to express his opinion, but as such a huge creator, he needs to recognize that he can’t just go around doxing people and calling people out and ranting on twitter.
Idgaf if the Dream stans are terrifying: Dream is absolutely encouraging doxxing even if he dresses it up like noooo guys it’s so bad don’t do it, only to turn around and say it’s “satisfying” to see someone private their account because of the harassment they’re receiving and there’s something so gross about trying to downplay the effects of being doxxed. Even if he doesn’t explicitly say, yes I think doxxing is good, the things he does continue to encourage this behavior
@@danicareithaug3300 did you miss him harassing and mocking someone who was doxxed?
@@astrowolvez well, the person who was worried about getting doxxed didn’t even get doxxed in the first place, they then proceeded to talk about how they got clout out of it and joined the # dreamout gang, which has a people trying to dox dream, which I personally find a little hypocritical.
@@wormk28 it was a different person that bragged
@@ezra5514 i…don’t think it was. they specifically were talking about how “luckily I didn’t get doxxed but now I’ve got more followers” or something on those lines, it was the same person I believe.
Yeah it's absolutely disgusting. I was a fan of him when he was still growing while only having 1 million subscribers because I liked his coding and manhunt contents and also because I thought that It was impressive for someone to grow that fast in such short amount of time, but when he started to grow more and more I ended up unsubscribing to him since I didn't like how he acted anymore, but I am thankful though that through him he introduced me to tommy, ranboo, tubbo, etc... and that's all, now all he does is milk the manhunt videos now and it's getting boring
I fully agree with the dream situation. A lot of fans in the mcyt community actually listen to dream when he tells them to leave people alone on twitter leaving hate, but he needs to realise that not all the fans will listen, and yes, he cannot control his fans, but if some of his fans are causing mass amounts of stress and danger, then he needs to understand that, and learn from it.
I stopped playing val because of how common behavior like ISHOWSPEED showed in that clip is. Literally 50% chance as a girl I got a response like that from talking. Violent threats, harassment, etc all bc I'm a girl.
That’s horrible :0 It really goes to show how misogyny is pretty much normalized in the gaming community. It sucks that literally just trying to have fun could make you the target of so much hate. I hope you found games that aren’t like this
@@gabriellavillalpando6327 I do play lots of more casual games with friends where I don't have to worry about dealing with that behavior. It has really killed my love for val though. It's hard to have fun playing a game when just speaking as a girl you get that kind of response from men in the community.
@@brandyc9645 As a trans dude, I got really good at miming behaviors on games to help curb having to do mic stuff, even after I got a mic, just because, even in PvE and like generally nice settings, people would immediately go "OMG A GIRL GAMER OMG OMG" like I'm a goddamn unicorn, and it was doubly uncomfortable cause...I wasn't a girl, lmao. Really played a big part in me refusing to use my mic way back before I started HRT.
EXACTLY it's so generic and people are acting like he just started it lol
@@brandyc9645 btw you could just mute everyone in val lol
Holy shit the speed video was actually scary, idgaf if i sound like a baby, but it actually is so upsetting to hear and then to hear him use excuses instead of taking accountability, and actually apologize. Men yelling are so scary is2g
The video was a couple months ago. He apologized in a later video
@@swishy_bluez that apology sucked he just made excuses
I feel you, I’ve had some particular problems with anyone yelling and him yelling made me feel fear, even when I’m not a woman, that must be so upsetting and crushing for that poor girl, i really hope she can recover from it.
@@swishy_bluez they said “take accountability and actually apologize “ , not spit baby excuses at the camera
Idk it kinda gives me the opposite effect. This dude is screaming at a screen, it’s hilarious, he’s like a baby that hasn’t gotten their milk yet
That first Speed clip honestly just made me so sad. He clearly has so much hatred for women. Kinda feel like crying. Lol
im not usually freaked out by stuff like that but that scared me- i’m not used to the hatred being so obvious… so i get you, and i really hope you’re okay
@@emmaforeverago same I feel so bad for the girl he yelled at she’s probably never going to forget that and feel sad every time she remembers it
that really scared me too 😟
He doesn't actually have any hate towards women etc. It's like filthy frank. Ishowspeed is a character of which he uses to entertain his audience. Now him being misogynistic, etc isn't cool. And him playing a character is no excuse but the real issue here is the stress of being so young and so popular and feeling like u have to top every crazy thing u say with something crazier to keep the popularity around. The girl and her friends were also very racist in the game so I highly doubt she was upset by what he said. I Also find it weird how we just assume the girl was innocent without looking for further context other than the short clip we are shown. Gamers in general male or female are very toxic. This situation isn't one of the situations where speed lashed out on a woman just minding her business playing the game. She was racist he was misogynistic I'd say they are even this time around.
@@peetahbread7921 I've never heard of speed before, how was the dead aunt related to him being misogynist and all the rape jokes? It would be AWFUL to have to put on a brave face while grieving and then have his audience shit on him and his aunt, but that feels disconnected to his misogyny to me. Was it primarily women being dicks to him or something? From where I sit, it seemed like he had pent up feelings (obviously) and then took them out on that poor chick in the stream because he already had shitty views on women
I'm sorry but the ISHOWSPEED dude is terrifying. The anger in his eyes while he's yelling at the women is frightening
How is he terrifying and yall feminist cringe ash watch any of his vids he yells at everyone not jus females
@@WyaSlay first off, being afraid of a guy doesn't automatically equate to radical feminism. second, just because he yells at everyone like that doesn't make it any less bad. that dude clearly hates women being anything but passive and the anger in his eyes just makes it 10X worse.
(while we're chatting, maybe look into using punctuation in the future :) )
@@stanateezforgoodluck its youtube not a test i dont need punctuation and yk the girl in the clip was talking crap and calling him a monkey and the n word beforehand right?
@@WyaSlay I didn't know that but it doesn't change the fact he was also yelling at her and looked absolutely terrifying while doing it. There are better ways to deal with racism than just being louder
@@stanateezforgoodluck She was doing the same thing and yes i agree with u but i dont think he terrifying
I feel like a big issue is that dream never ever takes accountability. Yes, he can’t control his fans, but he constantly enables them (by directly @ing and such).
Dream’s sexuality is whatever, no body cares who he likes and nobody is genuinely upset with that. But when you have such a large platform and are constantly ambiguous about it, it definitely comes off as queer baiting. It feeds into the fandom hivemind that shipping two real people is okay and contributes to a bunch of fetishization of other queer people. Its just not cool when people use your sexuality as a tool to fuel their fans.
hes basically saying "i could be i could not be" for more views. I think he likes the fact it makes the fandom buzz. honestly i think he even enjoys the crazy fan art, fanfiction, and shipping bc it gives him more views and money.
literallyyy
Queerbaiting is a HUGE thing in the Minecraft streamer community. I don't even follow that community (at all) yet I still get news near weekly about a new (or old) one teasing about their sexuality.
It feels so manipulative, especially since most of their fans are just little girls who have toxic yaoi obsessions.
@@angerykorbypancake1613 another dream fan 💀💀
@@oh-ohstinky5819 I uh.. I dont watch dream. Dont even like minecraft smps. Literally just saying that no one owes anyone an explanation of their sexuality
the gaming community has some serious sexism and it needs to be fixed, people should just play games and have fun without demeaning someone's entire existence
As a trans man who, even though I played PvE games with generally vaguely polite people, still got my fair share of being treated like a unicorn shitting a rainbow while riding a giant flying four-leaf clover, and now has been on HRT for a good year and my voice is p deep and I pass as a dude online/on voice-chats/mics, I do not tolerate people being a fucknugget with misogyny, and as I'm not personally going stealth, I just pass, I'm not afraid to point out that I'm trans/AFAB to call people out on shit.
Men need to step up and call this shit out, it's not okay, and just because it's commonplace doesn't mean it should be ignored. Before I was on HRT, I literally would pretend to be a chick, even though I'm a dude, because I knew making a good impression of women in gaming was for the better for a lot of the folks who were more ignorant about women in gaming and were treating it like a spectacle. If I seemed serious and like I knew a lot about gaming, they'd get the idea that women aren't shit at gaming and that women do exist who like gaming. Like, lots of the time they were younger, like late teens, and polite about it, but just reacting in, er, unpleasant ways. Not outright hostile, but just, well, like I said, the unicorn thing. It's funny the first few times, but it gets old fast.
Also I'm gay, so fuckers can call me simp all they want, but it ain't gonna be true, lmao.
Like, it sucks that these sortsa people are mostly gonna listen to men, but at the end of the day, if that's all they're going to listen to, we need men to step the fuck up and call this shit out when they hear it.
(Men definitely have like a whole guard down when they're talking to other men. I've only gamed a few times since being on HRT, and almost immediately I heard a possibly sexist (honestly I couldn't tell, so I didn't call it out, cause I was busy thinking about wtf it meant) joke from dudes who I hadn't outright said I was trans in front of, lmao. There's a level of caution that's not there when its just guys, so they put their guards down and their filters along with it, at times.)
One of my favourite gamer Spawntaneous made a whole series about it, it's called "OMG it's a girl" and it's 26 parts long, so yeah. She is pretty good but it's so irritating to see dudes being misogynistic for no reason (and the whole go back to kitchen thing) It's always a bit wholesome to watch some other dudes defend her though
@@c0tt0n78 it's probably not the best course of action but if a dude says that to me I ask if that's all they got...
@bruh well he should get attacked if he hates women because he's being prejudiced lmfao
@bruh bro im literally 15, if you're shitty and say shitty things don't expect for people to not be mad
honestly dream isn’t doing anything insanely WRONG, but it’s just so annoying that he never puts effort towards stopping it from happening
I agree.
wasting swat team time and money is pretty bad idk
Yes. Like he's so average in the laziest sense of the word it's painful. Not really a good person. Not really a bad person. With only the littlest bit of effort he could be better or at least an okay enough person. But he won't do that because he likes doing the bare minimum in almost everything. He's lukewarm and wishy-washy unless it interferes with his pride.
I don’t think dream did anything criminal, but there are times where it is annoying how he just kind of looks the other way sometimes. Though I still do think he’s pretty valid.
nick be safe... dream and ishowspeeds fanbase is crazy and would do anything for their favorite streamers
I had a mini panic when he said it was Monday cuz I've spent 3 days billing clients and was like "Did I just charge them on the weekend??" so thank for that, Nicki Snot Green.
Omg, “Nicki Snot Green” took me out😭
nah nicki snot green is bringing me geniune flashbacks lmao
I used to moderate for over a dozen twitch streamers and I’ve had to really back out of the community because of the straight cis men in it. The narcissism they have, the abuse they let their mods take, the toxic people they refuse to stand up to…it’s astounding.
@GreenMayoMan69_ no, I mean what I said. They were all arrogant and that’s fine, I can deal with that. What I couldn’t stand was the remorseless unempathetic manipulation, and exaggerated sense of entitlement. So narcissistic tendencies, not just arrogance.
I'm so sorry what does being cis mean? I don't know and I've never known what it has meant I just pretend to nod along. What does that mean. Also don't be harsh on men, most of the good ones aren't involved in twitch streams like that anyways. I'm a woman but you can find good people in places that aren't social media especially straight men or just people in general. If I search up "Roblox" and click on maybe a somewhat popular game that is goofy or lighthearted in content then the people tend to also be lighthearted. Gaming communities have cool people too!
@@Freshest_Water cis/cisgender: whatever gender you are now is the same as what was presumed for you at birth. (Google is free to use.) I do agree with you that a lot of the men involved with twitch streaming unfortunately tend to be iffy as people. I am also a women and it’s disheartening the amount of conversations I had to have with streamers that I worked for explaining that things they did or said were not okay. Men in their mid twenties that have never had anyone challenge them and they get so defensive 💀 it’s scary.
@@PanickinSkywalker Ah okay. I assume that just means straight people or something because at birth we are by default asexual because we aren't feeling sexual attraction but it's weird because then you wouldn't have to specify so it is still confusing tbh.
@@Freshest_Water (a)romantic sexuality and gender are different things. That’s why people clarify both.
Myself as an example: I am a cisgender female. I identify as female and I was born a female. But that’s just a statement about myself, like saying my hair is brown or I’m wearing orange. Saying I’m female is a box on a form at the doctors office, and tells you nothing about who I like romantically/sexually.
i agree with your takes! imo saying Real Life People are “queerbaiting” by being vague about their sexuality is just incorrect. real people don’t owe anyone an explanation about their sexuality, and everyone has personal reasons for wanting or not wanting to come out. they also could have just not figured themselves out yet! i said a lot of rly gay shit back when i thought i was straight. i wasn’t “queerbaiting” anyone, I was just being a person trying to figure themself out.
yess I feel like people don't truly understand the word queerbaiting
it's making the LGBT fans think they're going to get some representation whilst maintaining homophobic fans
and like how often do you see a homophobic dream stan?
I Totally get Your Point But real Life people can queerbait Example Music Artist have Used Preformative Bisexuality To push their Careers Foward.
Here's a video that shows My point if you dont mind watching ua-cam.com/video/3umRD7SOUNw/v-deo.html
As a queer person it just bothers me when people claim Real life people cant queerbait when thats not completely True.
i mean its not just about being vague about your sexuality its about making it part of your Brand™ and making money off of it. i think its pretty undeniable that a large part of dreams fans are his fans bc of his dynamic with his friends and part of that dynamic is the "will they wont they" thing with george. he encourages people to make fanart of them, explicit or otherwise, and there is pretty often an uproar about dream or george acknowledging dnf in some way. that gains him attention which means more fans which means more potential revenue in the form of views and merch purchases. regardless of whether or not hes actually gay is a business strategy first and foremost. theres nothing wrong with having jokes about being gay with your friends but its different when people being actively invested in you and your relationships is a form of revenue generation
forgive me if i'm making too bold of an assumption, but i don't think you had the platform and influence and power that dream currently has, back when you were figuring yourself out. talking to friends is one thing, that's human to human connection, that's friendship. talking to millions of people who look up to you is a different thing. if dream is genuinely trying to figure out his sexuality, he has the choice to do that privately. or at least not tweet about it. but by publicizing this vague concept of "maybe he's queer", he is making that into a performance for millions of people. he is deliberately trying to call attention to this vague concept because he knows that will garner more attention. imo whether or not that fits your personal definition of "queerbaiting" is semantics. he is profiting in the form of attention, likes, views, and money by being intentionally vague in an extremely public way. he is using queerness and the ever-present hope of representation in media that many LGBTQ+ people have, for personal gain.
tbh all i know about dream is what was in this video and what i've read in the comments, and eli uwu here is furthering the point i'm trying to make. it is a business strategy. the purpose is not figuring himself out. the purpose is profit.
idk, bi myself, and I don't think using "ohhh maybe I'm bi though" as a shield when people are hurt by your words is okay. Like it doesn't matter what your sexuality is. If someone thinks you're being homophobic, maybe just apologize and try not to make comments that can be taken out of context and hurt people? Going "wow some men are kinda hot though" is not an appropriate response. And maybe you should care about that a little cuz it's kinda messed up. Especially since there are honestly a lot of people who pretend to be LGBT to bait LGBT people into doing certain things for them. Just because you are super gay doesn't mean you can't make a comment that is insensitive or harmful to another gay person.
the way dream emphasized how unlikely it is for a smaller account to get put in harms way from getting doxxed is so....Icky :/ like even if he's been doxxed in the past, wouldn't that make him *more* considerate about the situation and not dismissing it?
why did i literally start crying at the ishowspeed video. like it's SO scary for me to know that theres men out there that act like that, and that i could and will come across those men
aww, don’t worry bb :( be safe out there
@@evelyn38927 awe tysm you're so sweet :((((( ilysm and I will!!
@@threeuglies
@@evelyn38927 :)))
LMAOOOOO you gonna cry cuz a guy thru a screen made a joke LOL you is definitely a white female 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"i wasnt having a good day" i didnt have a good day today either and i didnt turn into a racist did i?
also even if that newer tweet abt queerbaiting wasnt queerbaiting he already said in a tweet something like "me and george pretend to be gay but we arent" or something
If mfs slip out terrible shit cuz they're mad, maybe they shouldn't be streaming games that get them mad. Ugh