FX Airguns DRS Classic Deep Dive Testing and Tuning Techniques
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- Опубліковано 23 бер 2024
- The FX Airguns DRS platform including the DRS Classic and Pro is revolutionizing the airgun shooting experience. From the traditional firearm-like form factor of the FX DRS to the world-renowned precision FX is known for, the DRS design approach to airgun architecture has many airgunners (including myself) wondering what makes this thing tick? I was lucky enough to get one of the very first DRS platforms in the United States this past week. Needless to say I really and I mean REALLY dug into this airgun.
A lot of the buzz has been around the over-the-barrel air reservoir, but there is so much more going on the inside of this airgun. After a week of tearing this thing apart and shooting a ton of different projectiles, the efficiency of this DRS valve has blown me away. Getting a ton of shots off a mere 220 bar fill, could this thing be the ULTIMATE prepper/survivalist PCP Airgun combo?
When was the last time you measured the torque specs on your Airgun? You should! The FX DRS action is very similar to a Remington 700 clone. I’ve seen a huge difference it playing with exact torque changes on action screws ranging from my 6.5 CM to .22LRs. This same technique can now be used with the FX DRS platform!
The FX DRS Classic paired with the Lil’ Foot Mobile Compressor from DonnyFL just I was able to fill the 220cc-ish reservoir and the plenum is sooooo fast to get 30-40 shots per fill depending on ammo. If I had to hand pump this Airgun it would totally be doable.
I have been shooting slugs with ramped-up FX PCP airguns for so long I forgot the pure enjoyment of shooting pellets. The level of pellet precision I have been able to get out of this thing so far has been quite impressive. Follow my journey as I take this entry-level FX Airguns DRS from pellet plinker to slug slinger. This is what airgunning should feel like. Pure. Pellet. Precision. Period. - Спорт
Great video and words of wisdom buddy, thanks for continuing to improve our passion! Still having dreams of the DRS Pro showing up at my door 😁
As a student of antique arms, I liked the history you added to some of the DRS's features. "There is no new thing under the Sun." In the last 15 years, I have owned over half a dozen FX rifles, I haven't had one I did not like. It's nice to see a PCP without that cylinder under the barrel or a bottle. I think your review was professional and thorough. I don't watch most UA-cam reviews to the end, I did this one.
Thanks for watching! Ya I love firearm history!
One of the best videos I’ve seen on this guns tuning, I have so many questions, maybe for a later time.
Thanks for watching! As I ramp this thing up and mod it, I’ll share what I learn along the way.
@@UpNorthAirGunner very interested in what it takes to upgrade the .22 500mm
Been looking to,get this gun ..but was on,the fense,,,,.now I'm ready ❤
Me preordered the .25/600 classic from UA
A few weeks back, patiently waiting.
Great video
Great info
Thanks
Right on!
Very nice video.
Awsum video my friend always positive in sharing ur experiences 🤙
Thanks bud and thanks for following my adventurers!
@@UpNorthAirGunner ain’t nothing like it ma man 🤙
Nice gun and great review.
Thanks for watching!
Very nice clip.. 👍
Very Nice ❤
My DRS Classic .22 500mm made it here today so far I am impressed.
Great information and video as usual Chris. I have been looking for the last 5 years for a true mountain stalker/hunter for ranges out to 75 yds, and this DRS looks like something that can fit the bill. Again, something we discussed before the one limiting thing I see, is the lack of sling mounting studs.
I will have to wait on this though, purchased way to many FX rifles the past 2 years, got to let my financials cool off for a little bit.
Right on! Thanks for watching!
The DRS will fit you your wish for the perfect woods walker. The stock is made to be able to install swivel studs for a sling as well. The gun is super lightweight and it fits in most scoped rifle cases and gun racks for your atv or side by sides.
@justinjacobson9569 thanks Justin it looks like it will fit the bill for sure, I have a dreamline classic in the soft touch Synthetic stock and it sees alot of mountain hunting time. The more compact 500 mm barrel and simplicity of the DRS rifle would definitely limit snags when pressing through brush compared to the dreamline with the barrel over tube configuration. I will just have to wait a little while. Purchasing 5 FX rifles the last 2 years has put a huge dent in my bank account.
Just tested DRS 22 600 and 700 yesterday in the wind. The 600 with 18.13 was stellar around 900fps. Second one was slower so went with 15.89. Stellar 50 yard groups. Had to watch wind close. Next came the 700 22cal with large plenum. 15.89 were 1185fps factory settings. 18.13 we're still 1038. Ended up shooting JSB KO slugs 25.39 @ 985 for great group@ 50 yards. I did have to back off hammer tension by a full turn. Tuesday will be the other 700 22 cal and the 500 22 cal. For a factory set trigger, I am impressed. I am thinking that the other 700mm will shoot the KOs as it feels like the same hammer tension I ended up with from 1st one. Hate the mini magazine! Have to use a pen to rotate for loading. Big fingers don't work well. Even other guy that shot it said mini mag sucks! Not impressed with dovetail rail. First set of rings clamped to front portion. Not back part. Had to get a different set. Measured the rail with calipers. Front rail was wider by about .020. They should've just went with Pic rail. I know they are available. Dovetail is so outdated at this point.
Awesome you have yours! I feel like this trigger is already a match trigger. Maybe its how Utah Airguns set it up. It is a single stage set and it is crazy crisp and light. Did you notice the same on yours?
I just did chronograph report and test targets for HPP. Don't own one. I doubt Utah did anything to the triggers. Since the 3 I shot so far are all the same. If these are stock triggers. Would like to try their match options.
@@kevintravis2154 Good to know. The ones you tested were they 2 stage with a very light wall or single stage triggers?
They were very short first stage to nice wall. Then crisp let off. Impressive to say the least.
@@kevintravis2154good feedback. The trigger is standard in those although there is going to be a match trigger upgrade, I have the match trigger in my prototype rifle and it’s hands down the best trigger I own! The dovetail is outdated I agree but I believe they did that to simplify machining the receiver to keep cost down for the standard models and also to keep scope over barrel distance as low as possible.
FX got the shnobel!! Just a fun word. Great vid man
It’s so fun to say! Thanks for watching!
Schnabel is german and means beak.
In the owners manual it shows temporarily installing a pressure gauge on the plenum so you can see the reg pressure. But does not show how to safely degas the rifle.
Do you have any idea how to ?
Chris I am filling to 230 bar on the FX tube rifles and taking the reading off my Joe Brancoto air tank gauge from Top Airguns which he says is all US made. I will say the small FX gauges are like yours and are probably off 10 to fifteen bar off. I was hoping that the newer DRS valve design would get close to what I get from my Dream Pup for shots. I hope to see some other people doing reviews and see how their rifles preform. If I get the DRS I might just tune it down for shooting in and around barns and out buildings. That should net me some more shots and I would be near my air source for top offs.
Not a inovacion the first is Snowpeak M30 , sorry for this...
You must have missed that part in the video. Go back a few hundred years. The Edward Bate barrel reservoir airgun and others have used this over the barrel reservoir approach and the Snowpeak M30 didn't use a box magazine plenum which is actually where most of this magic is happening for precision shooting. Not the over the barrel plenum.
I’m looking forward to ordering a 25cal 600mm from Justin at Utah. Nice review!
Good choice! The UA crew is the best to work with and that .25 call 600 will have a bit more umph!
Thank you for the video! So if i want full power version but in walnut stock i should by 6.35 drs walnut becouse it has bigger valve. And i should by biggest plenium thats it ? İf i want 22cal its not posible in walnut stock becouse valve will be small. Do i understand right ? İf i düdint can you tell me pls what should i do. İ want high power version 22cal but in walnut stok not mdt. How i should order ?
Stay tuned as that request has been frequent one that I am hearing. As more information comes out I’ll give updates in the UpNorth Airgunner UA-cam Community Group and other social media channels. Make sure to subscribe and turn on notifications.
Awesome looking pcp but I don't need another pellet gun. Have a dreamline. Waiting for the slug reviews.👍
Chris thanks for the up front response. It seems the South Africans and other tuners with 500mm barrels set their regulators at 140 to 150 bar which require a harder hammer strike to get that short high burst of air. I was hoping that would be the route to go with this rifle otherwise for me 35 shots for pesting does not go far enough. Don't know why the reply function wasn't working on your response. I hope you can try this tune or find out what FX recommends.
I too set my guns up with 140-150 bar with my 500mm guns normally, but this is a bit different for a few reasons. The DRS isn't meant for a super high shot count at high power with the 500mm barrel kit. With the 700mm kit for PRS / NRL22 competition at high power we are getting enough shots to get through a single stage.
The tuning technique is going to be a bit different with this one. The valve is already a short impulse valve and I will see what upping the reg does, but you have to remember this is only 200cc of air. That is a TINY amount of onboard air. If you are looking for a pesting airgun, the FX Impact or Dynamic double bottle is a much better fit for tons of shots.
If you can harmonically tune the rifle by adjusting the stock screw, it means there is some degree of slop in the way it fits. I’m a huge fan of Minnelli stocks but even with my Dreamline laminated stock I needed a few pieces of quality electrical tape strategically placed to remedy that issue.
Nope. This is true of every firearm I own. It doesn’t matter if it’s a Manners, Boyds, GRS, any OEM stock that has an action screw, the torque will effect the harmonic signature of the rifle. I actually bought this FixIt Stick kit after Oscar from GRS rifle stocks demonstrated for me how Bergera 6.5 CM went from 1 inch groups at 100 yards to 1/2 inch because the action screw needed 10 more in pounds of torque. It isn’t slop, it’s a preferred torque setting. Thanks for watching!
@@UpNorthAirGunner I have to respectfully disagree. There is no such thing as an action screw. The flaw in the design is that there is only one screw. Not enough to secure the stock. There should be two screws with a fair bit of distance between them. No doubt your idea works, but it’s because you have to over tourque to compensate for poor engineering. No disrespect. I will experiment with your theory on my Dreamline. If it can reduce my groups by half, I’ll take it.
@@williamczupryn2642 It’s not my idea. It’s basic rifle gunsmithing. But here… go watch a few thousand hours on the subject. www.google.com/search?q=youtube+action+screw+torque&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
Dreaming of a 700mm .22 with synthetic stock. Wondering when and for how much we will get them here in Argentina :)
Can’t wait till the pro comes out, wish they would make it so you can have a massive plenum so you can shoot 100grain+ 25cal slugs at 940fps. That would be impressive
It was counterintuitive because of the low volume airtube. Shot count would be extremely low. I would love to see a really high powered 6mm-7mm slug shooter that can make 350 ft lbs with 125 grain ammo and still be a regulated 8 full power shots. Just for that pig/coyote medium sized game animals.
@@justinjacobson9569 exactly what I’m saying 10-15shots a full is fine
Early FX Tarantula and Rapier had the same fore end with ultra beautiful turkish walnut stocks
Ya a lot of those OG FX airguns had some really nice stocks. I am looking forward to seeing the Minelli wood stock for this FX DRS.
My worn out shoulders love the weight of this gun, Chris…my pick is the 600mm 25cal 👍
Ya the 600 25 is pretty sick! I just got the 22 / 600 barrel swap kit and larger plenum to upgrade this one.
We need a 120cc plenum for sure, and a magazine that can take longer slugs like 100grains. 800mm barrel
Excellent video thank you and great timing as I have been trying to decide between this rifle and a Dreamline in .22 for Silhouette comps but this looks to be the way to go. Would you go 500mm or 600mm barrel for 100% offhand shooting? Moderators are illegal here. Unfortunately I cannot view or try the rifle in Aussie and have to pre-order sight unseen if I want one as none in the county yet. Shot count is not an issue as have a small bottle to fill from and I will use a single shot loader rather than the mag. Cheers.
Hi Kerryrice. Like you I’m a silhouette shooter in Australia. And I am seriously considering a DRS in .22. Did you get any answer to the 500 vs 600mm barrel question? Also, if I should purchase a DRS, then I want the optional match trigger, an absolutely necessity for me. Also, an issue of concern to me is the shot count - I would want a shot count of at least 55, being 15 for practice and 40 for the competition and I would purchase the optional carbon fibre air tank/barrel. My other question is this: all things being equal, does a 600mm barrel get a higher shot count than the 500? At the moment I use a 177 Crown for silhouette. Cheers. Mattt
I did choose dreamline becouse u can switch calibers and swap tho tactical if u wishes
If that had a big shiny bolt at the back, instead of the side lever action, it would be perfect.
Are you managing to get a good ES even though it has a regulator made by fx?
All my FX airguns get tight velocity spreads when set up correctly with a good velocity tune.
All my FX guns regulators suck. Matt and Gerhard have Huma regs on their Impacts as they have realized this
@@Ayjay12345 Hmmmm… I’ve competed the last 3 years with bone stock Amp regs with zero issue with reg creep. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Trust me if it was broken I’d be switching to something that was better.
Good video Chris. I was disappointed to hear you were only getting 35 shots per fill. On FX's website they say the 500mm barrel in .22 cal. with the 15's going at 915 fps that you get 60 shots per fill. If I bought the rifle I was thinking to get the Hades going at about 840 fps to up the shot count. It looked on the video that they tank gauge read about 125 bar when you said it came off the regulator. It would seem if FX says 60 shots per 230 bar fill that your rifles tune is not efficient. Maybe a higher regulator setting for a shorter high burst of air. The DRS Classic is what I have been looking for is a light weight compact pesting rifle particularly if you got the 60 shots FX says. Maybe try to do some tuning to up that shot count.
Ya I saw that too. Thats gotta be a typo. At 125 bar regulated and this tune was 9 rotations out on the hammer spring for a pretty light hammer strike. I’ll increase reg pressure and try but to go from 35 to 60 seems quite a jump. I’ll check with FX but that’s gotta be a typo.
Can you reach out accurate enough to 100 yards for nrl.22 competition?
Yes absolutely.
@@justinjacobson9569 okay that a game changer for me, thank you👍
@@justinjacobson9569 I would really like to see the accuracy pushed out to 100 yards, if possible
Reply function still not working and if I try to go back to this video and not from my email notification no comments to posts will show up. What's Up UA-cam. Anyway Chris I am an FX man I have three FX Impacts a couple of Dreamlines and other models too. I just went out and did a confirmation shot string with my Dreampup .22 220cc tube version at 885 fps with the Hades and got 60 shots before coming off the regulator. That is pretty close to the DRS tube size and stated fps. If the DRS cannot get what FX states on their website they need to correct that to not mislead potential buyers. Thanks Again
Good to know. What was your fill pressure? Are you filling to 230 or 250 bar? I know that additional 20 bar off a 250 bar Dreamline would give more shots for sure. When you made this comment it made me wonder if my gauge is off.
I actually should redo this test as I just used a digital pressure gauge to compare the read out on the compressor to the gauge on the gun and it is 15 bar off. So there's some additional shots there to be had, but I don't think I would get to 60 from 35.
What type valve or valve block does it have?
Totally new design for the DRS that is a short impulse valve similar to the FX Dynamic. Super efficient.
@@UpNorthAirGunner Kool 👍🏻
Ok is just an expensive Air Venturi Avenger
I would love one of these guns but I am in England
Snow peak did it before Fx in recent times☺️
Correct there have been a handful of airguns in the past with an air tube around the barrel . FX just did it better than everyone else with a brilliant valve system, excellent triggers and barrels and on top of that a buttery smooth side lever action. That is what sets it apart from the rest.
@@justinjacobson9569 Bold statement. My DRS dumped all its air after 30 shots.
@@Jayt750sorry to here that where did it dump air from?
Well I kept thinking about that darn Crosman 2362, looked all the mod parts I wanted, hmm, is this really one of the top contenders in PCP for 2024 ???
I scanned Pyramyds list of the ones that had my attention, this year, not much that I do not have something very similar to or made one of my own.
Lets see what Utah Airguns has from 150 = 1000 $ hmm BINGO Checks in the mail ;) Have a .22 500 mm on the way !
Would prefer a 250 bar fill over 230!
My 2012 Cyclone also have the Schnabel,,,,,, jch verstehe alles als ich ein Däne sind, and German is just one of many #2 languages for me.
Hey i said understand it,,,, i did not say i was good at writing it, i had other more important stuff to do in German class in school,,, if i was there at all.
LOL! That is awesome! Thanks for watching.... Ich verstehe kein Deutsch, weiß aber, wie man Google Translate verwendet.
Can we bullpup this 😂
I will not buy another FX rifle until they get the barrel kits out for the last gen rifle
The all black Yokozuna from Donnfly, is that coming soon? Haven't seen that before.
Ya it’s the non-quick detach threaded base. It’s all black and looks bad ass!
35 shots?!?!..fx did step back. To dreamline.....
Barell with air tube its something nothi g new..altaros and artemis did it many years ago.....
Yes like I mentioned in this video it’s been done since the 1700s. Edit on the shot count, my pressure showed 220 bar on the compressor but only 200 on the gauge so I was leaving quite a few shots on the table. It gets similar shot count now to my tube Dreamline.
Cool looking airgun, but its typical FX. They sell you a base gun that barley shoots through paper, but then wait for additional pricing you can turn this into a paper shredder.. lol Next thing you know your 3k into something that looks cool and shoots meh. lol
...or you run a bone stock FX King with zero upgrades and make the finals at the North East Airguns Classic running against some of the most modified and upgraded rigs in the industry. Ya that happened just last month. So ya.... that is all noise you just shared.
@@UpNorthAirGunner Congratulations on making finals. Im sure your skills had more to do with the results than the rifle. It might be noise to you but its my opinion and we are entitled to our opinions. Im not a FX fan buy by any means. Ive shot some of them before and yes they are really nice but not my jam and for the price they are definitely not my jam.
@@AlbeeSoaring Understood. We will agree to disagree. Regardless, it’s awesome when Airgunners can find a platform they like and is in their price point budget. That’s what matters most.
at 50 yards the result should be one single hole....something is wrong in your setup i'm afraid
Thinking that a single hole at 50 yards shooting outdoors in the wind and anything else is a flawed setup is statistically impossible over a full magazine dump or more.
I have been able to tune airguns to accomplish that in 5 shots, but when you start getting into a more statistically significant shot group sample, being able to get a .3 or .4 inch group is in the realm of great. Shooting pellets outdoors in any kind of wind isn't going to be able to accomplish a single hole.
Funny, could only find you shooting in videogames on your channel. Do you have link where we can watch you on some of that sweet single-hole action youre talking about ?