Some answers to some questions that have been asked in the comments: -Some people have wondered if you'll get assassinated since everyone in your land has -100 opinion of you. This was never an issue for me. I'm 99% certain that barons can't start plots against you, and they're the only ones who'll be left in your realm. -Some people have asked about succession. You'll definitely want to avoid getting partitioned, but that's really not difficult in CK3. I used the "Disinherit" option on surplus male heirs since renown was so easy to come by, but there are tons of other options if you prefer other succession strategies. There's nothing stopping you from imprisoning + executing your sons. -When I mentioned "war exhaustion" in the video, I was referring to the "offensive war" popular opinion penalty. -For stress management, you'll definitely want to avoid some traits. Being "Just" or "Generous" is pretty much a death sentence with this strategy. Otherwise, you should be in the clear. You'll get lots of rivals in your dungeons as you revoke their land, and pleasure houses increase stress loss. I reckon I was getting around -100 stress per year from rivals dying in my dungeons. -If you want an easy way to see how many counties are in your realm, this number is listed in the realm tab at the top ("realm size"). -Using this strategy, I was able to conquer the world by 1038 AD. You can see the result of my game here: www.reddit.com/r/CrusaderKings/comments/ipwmei/world_conquest_in_1038ad_maximum_exploits_edition/
@@richdob They are fairly weak, to be honest. Like everyone (except the Byzantine), they are in partition, so they have a hard time consolidating their power.
No Reman there is a better strategy. Go down the torturer line down the the last two before the Torturer trait. 100% imprison chance and Dread never decays so your vassals never do anything against you and if they do form a faction, just imprison the ones at the top because that 50% imprison chance is nice to have and gets you 100% imprison chance all the time once you get it. Now throw in the fear tax with 100 dread and all your vassals will be terrified giving you 30% tax and levies from your vassals. Unlike any other lifestyle, you will never, ever, have problems with vassals under the torture strategy.
Finally a nice strategy. I have been playing as Seldjuk and almoravid and when their son get the throne all of vassal have - 50 - 100 opinion of him and its difficult to continue the game past 2 generation.
To be fair, even in arguably the most absolutist country in Europe, 18th century Prussia, the king only held about 30-40% of the land directly, so I guess this is more like just a modern unitary state
@@caiawlodarski5339 Louis XIV may have said his famous line, but it was in Frederick William and Frederick the Great that it found its full embodiment. French absolutism didn't go beyond Ile-de-France
@@DivinityOfBLaze i mean...you're technically right, but a second decimal patch indicates tiny bug fixes i'd expect it in a point release maybe, so 1.1. or maybe a little further down the line, this has other consequences after all, not a value they might want to chance on the fly
@@lethalnl A patch is a path there is no technically there. We wont be seeing any this month and the next is supposedly 1.0.4 plus you say second decmial but paradox does have stuff for bug fixes even beyond that. That being x.x.x.x format. Used pretty recently too in other games. In fact they've had x.x.x patches that were MASSIVE so your theory doesn't really fit in with what paradox does.
@@cromusician6153 more severe punishment. so basically not nearly as much tax and troops. And just FYI, having a genius ruler inbreed like crazy and boost stats(and get more traits) you can get INSANELY strong with relatively little territory. I had hundreds of thousands of troops at my disposal and hundreds of gold per month, let alone being head of my own faith and pretty much having every layer of my realm be my own family
@@cromusician6153 it's really just as simple as that. get the good traits, focus on the bloodline legacy and keep inbreeding your family. Keep an eye on getting fresh blood every once in a while and not marrying too close too much or you might get screwed later with sudden LOADS of inbred characters. Besides that make sure to be your culture head so you decide what the fascination is and get high learning (genius boosts experience so you could choose it after your main focus) And go ham. Marry Smart and have her do patronage constantly. You'll be so insanely developed no one in your realm can touch you. Throw in a bit of high steward for the insane cash flow to sustain constant building.
Mid-game Stellaris? I remember trapping the AI in the first year then building a galaxy wide empire before it blew up my PC finally declaring war after a 1000 years of building ships. Too long ago to remember numbers but had over a million ships go into the fight lol was like the videos setting off nuke mines in fallout.
In the very recent 1.1 Patch, this was nerfed to complete unviability. Might want to let any future viewers know. - The maximum penalty for being over your domain limit is now -100% taxes/levies, increased from -90%. - If you vastly exceed your Domain Limit for more than one year (the grace period for new inheritances/conquests), all buildings will deactivate until your domain limit is lowered. So no taxes, no levies, and all the buildings that give bonuses and boosts are flat-out disabled.
Funny enough North Korea has been trying to improve their global opinion in recent years through "blogger like vlogging" on youtube, in the style of casey neistat. Its like watching a baby county try to improve its propaganda from the 19th century to the 21 century, maybe one day it will achieve the US's level of subterfuge.
Reman Came Back After 2 Years said "Is this me or has this series gone on for a long time" in an unfinished EU4 Series, stuck around for a while then went for a year again.
Note: titles can only be revoked from the vassal you granted them to after 1 year. Thats why the revoke title list shows empty when you do this exploit
I think they also patched out the great purge to I wanted to keep the king titles for my self and unland non dynasty members how ever he didnt take a new country when I revoked it
I'd be tempted to try this. But currently my strategy has been almost complete opposite. I give every holding I conquer to dynasty members. Currently about 2,000 members with 200ish houses. Also generate about 50ish renown a month.
@@ProjectEkerTest33 claims die out after a single generation, but for the rest of the game that vassal will give a bonus for being a member of your dynasty. So it's a good long term investment.
@@ProjectEkerTest33 I actually just dis-inherit all my children expect my choosen heir. Which is easy, because of the renown generation. So none of the king level vassals in my realm have claims to the empire.
@@aspielm759 its when you optimize it to such an extent that the game tell you 'you are now the most powerful man in the world, please you must have mercy on my poor family'
@@aspielm759 Refers to Character creation in D&D or other Table top role play games, where you can put a minimum number in a stat so you can Maximize another Stat, ie. Charisma is a 3 (min) so you can put an 18(max) in Strength, giving you an ugly, muscle ridden fighter, but who needs to talk to people anyway :P
There's one more thing that is often overlooked that this fixes: "de jure penalty". A little explained fact is that vassals have a not particularly well explained penalty of -25% or -50% tax/levy penalty if you do not hold specific De Jure titles above theirs. For a large empire, this means you don't even get the 10% tax default, but rather 5%, and that's on top of any reductions due to multi-tiers of vassals. The worst part is that these penalties were worse in CK2 (up to -75%). Always thought it was a stupid penalty.
But doesn't it make sense? I mean ruling over land that is not within any of your titles would basically be seen as foreign occupation by the local leaders, and therefore even loyal subjects within this territory wouldn't see you as legally deserving of local tax burdens.
@@Nikolaj11 Makes perfect sense when you hold kingdom of bavaria for 200 years as russia then give it to random guy and hes sunddenly:WAIT YOU ARE NOT MY DEJURE LIEGE.Dude...
@Raizen Cruer Not necessarily. Only Duchies can shift to a new Kingdom, and only Kingdoms can shift to a new empire. If you own London as the King of France, but you ALSO own the Kingdom of England, the county of London will permanently stay inside the Kingdom of England since it exists. If 2000 years later you become the Emperor of France and give the Kingdom of England to someone, then suddenly they'll say "hey wait a second, you're not my de jure liege!". Stupidly, if you become the Emperor of France, keep the Kingdom if England, but give the Kingdom of France away, then everyone in England will be perfectly happy since you are their de jure liege, and of course the Emperor of France is the de jure liege of the Kingdom of France. Frankly, Paradox needs to stop with the "expansion penalties beyond certain limits" concept in Crusader Kings. Unlike other games (even Stellaris, the game that basically got rid of expansion penalties), Crusader Kings actually does NOT end the game if your entire realm gets "conquered", now you play within another country's borders. There's really no need for tiny nations to be able to stand up to empires in this game, the exception being holy wars but you can always convert to the attackers religion.
a counter balance in a future patch to this is adding severe control penalties (either a negative control modifier or a control cap penalty) as you go over your domain limit. It makes sense too since it's hard to assert control directly over a large amount of land
yeah, it surprises me how they didnt think of that, when they literally put in the county control mechanic not present in CK2, the one thing that even provides a historical reasoning behind the domain/demesne limit, and why you'd need/want to have vassals in the first place - because they didn't have the level and range of control modern states have due to bureaucratic, technological, cultural, military, etc. innovations. i hate to write 'literally' more than necessary but this is literally the reason feudalism existed in the first place.
@@hussnainsamee2603 Not even the max, just a scaling monthly control loss. So if you somehow got a good source of monthly control gain, you could go above your normal demesne limit without a problem. But I guess they'd need to tweak the system so that you can't go on a massive purge and raise a massive levy before the control penalties kick in... Okay, maybe max control level is the way to go.
@@naphackDT yeah thats a great idea. Just remove domain limit completely. You get a base amount of control gain e.g. +0.5. Every county has -0.1 base monthly control gain. So if you have two counties your 0.5 is divided into 2 and each county get +0.15 monthly control. So you can hold 5 cpunties max before you start losing control over all your counties. Then you get cultural inovations, skill tree perks and your stewardship skill that add monthly control. So e.g. if have 10 stewardship you get a +0.2 control, so now you can hold 7 counties before losing control in all of them. The numbers can be balanced as i was just giving an example
The main issue really is that having vassals at the moment only gives you disadvantages without all the advantages. So they should buff your income and levies and increase the over demesne limit penalty to over 100 % but also allow you to be a little bit over desmesne like 10%...
Tbh i always give land to vassal and afk watching them expand. Microing (by needing to declare war on every single one since there is no one else to expand for you) is too intense.
To be fair, the various Chinese empires of the time had almost all the power centralized under state control, so, if one were playing Zoroastrian Persia, a Muslim Qalifate or an Indian Maharaja it wouldn't really be impossible for them to want to implement a similar model to the Imperial administration of the Tang/Song Empire and be rid of fragmentary feudalism, especially as they'll have had historic trade routes with China and could be familiar with the Imperial system - if one does this in Christian Europe though it's like time travelling to the 18th century lol!
A bit of a stretch.The provinces (further divided into commanderies and counties) in the various chinese dynasties were still managed by goverrnors and not the Emperor.
@@wijse Governors who were selected meritocratically based on their results at the Imperial examination, who were appointed by the emperor and who usually managed provinces far away from their birthplace so that they would not have local connections and power bases which would allow them to rebel. That certainly wasn't feudalism, and nominally the state controlled all those provinces even though (obviously!) the emperor did not manage them directly - it is as close to this system as it gets in the middle ages... In truth, the Chinese imperial system was far more efficient than this and you would get more than 10% of the land's proceeds under it, (except for years when the emperor abolished taxes to appease the people) and obviously it had many unique elements of its own (the national Imperial examination, non-local vassal governors that could even be educated commoners etc), but what I'm saying is that it was closer to this strategy than classical feudalism and you could roleplay that you are a powerful emperor who is importing a Chinese-inspired model of governance and becoming the "son of heaven of the west" if you're doing this kind of playthrough...
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Sure, for Europe. I mean, given Persia's centuries-long rivalry and many wars with Eastern Rome, a Persian Shah would never publicly announce that he is copying anything Roman, let alone declare himself Roman Emperor, whereas an Indian Maharaja would've barely heard anything about the Roman Empire... For a Muslim ruler I guess it could work given Mehmed II's ambition to become Caesar and conquer Rome itself after he took Constantinople in 1453. I think my main aversion to this idea comes from too many historical fake Romes we already had - HRE, then Russia declaring itself the 3rd Rome after the fall of Byzantium simply because they were the last orthodox empire standing and one of their czars married a Byzantine princess in the early 1500s, and even Mehmed II and his Ottoman empire! There's only that many fake Roman empires I can tolerate... 😂😂😂
@@Vict0r1984 Rome to this very day serves as the touchstone of the empire that unites the known world in European culture, so of course every ambitious conqueror worth their salt will claim its heritige.
For everyone that can't revoke any titles: just wait a year or so and the titles will show up. Once u revoke the vassals primary titles he will take one of his vassals titles :)
Will this is just a way of breaking the game... It's a clever strategy, but it doesn't show any skills in the game itself, and wasn't even intended to exist... They already patched it so you can't use it anymore :P
This auto-purge strategy reminds me of a line from the G&S musical "Ruddigore" where a nice man is trying to convince a devil that he's been doing evil deeds: "Well if I can't disinherit my own unborn son, then whose unborn son CAN I disinherit?"
It wasn't mentioned in this video but you can fix inheritance very easily with this strategy too. As soon as you have 2 emperor titles, put both of them on elective and elect whoever you want to play next for both those titles (you hold all votes so no problem). For some reason as soon as you have a second title of the same rank as your primary title your domain won't split anymore when both titles go to the same heir via election, even when on partition
I was thinking about trying this strategy, tough it is sort of against the spirit of things, and if you are not the Byzantines you would have to always make sure to only have 1 heir
Kudos to you mate for bringing this to the masses! I am baffled however, as to why anyone would want to cheese out of a historical simulation open ended game that doesn’t have strict goals to aim for. Oh well...I guess it’s there for anyone who wants to...
Hey, I know this isn't related to the video topic, but we need an update on the Hoi4 Naval mechanics! I can't seem to find any comprehensive summary or explanation anywhere and it's been well over a year. If you make one, I'll turn off Ad-Blockers to watch!
this is mthe best video on CK3 i found! thus a shame that youtube is full of useless spam video giving useless advice.. took me a while to find this one! Props to you man, thanks alot! And honestly having vassals is stupid game mechanic to begin with, they shouldve focussed way more on combat then on this bs
Amusingly I discovered this while trying to go for the norman yoke achievement, which I'm like 80% is bugged, but I ended up revoking basically everything because everybody was either Anglo-Saxon or Norman, and discovered I had more levies and gold than before.
I will say just having predomenantly dukes and counts, will make you stronger for about 90% of the game, as you will be getting more than double the levies you are getting when going absolute
This game is awesome. First time player here. Played as Asturias. Slowly taking land from Ummayad's and then took some lands in England, my daughter married into Italian royal family where her children is born into my family, daughter becomes Queen of Italy and they had A LOT of land. France had a lot of land too and lost 75% of it to Aquitane, then helped my Vassal get Aquitane because he had a claim on it. Also married into Wessex and my song was King also. I had a daughter in Byzantine royal family but she didnt become queen or anything. I'm on year 920 and i finished kicking out the Ummayad's and on my way to creating Hispania. Loving this game. LOL
Wow we solved CK3 nice and quick. Not going to try this strat myself, just revoking all that land would make me braindead. Tho part of me hopes Paradox leaves features as is so that when I do pick up this game one day, I could pull this off.
I wish there's a DLC that expands the map into China, Korea and Japan. I wanna go full North Korea mode. Hopefully by then we will also have the Character Editor to create the Kim Dynasty.
Wait, so the hard cap for the personal domain size is only 10? Ow, how disappointing. I was setting up my ruler with high stewardship bonuses, and bee lining towards domain increase perk. :(
I always played like that in both CK games, I didn't even know people gave it a name. I never understood why you would play in any other way. This video still taught me how to revoke titles easy mode though.
”Better than a late game stellaris map” hit me hard as a stellaris fan cause its true though it can be midigated by turning of xeno compadability its still a nightmare.
The part about duchy buildings give me an idea for a hybrid strategy. What if you just stayed a duke to keep the better tax rates from having counts as your direct de jure vassals? Im not sure how going over the vassal limit works though and it probably wouldn't be better but it be interesting to try
" - The maximum penalty for being over your domain limit is now -100% taxes/levies, increased from -90%. - If you vastly exceed your Domain Limit for more than one year (the grace period for new inheritances/conquests), all buildings will deactivate until your domain limit is lowered. " rom latest patch 1.1.1 notes 9/29/2020
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Some answers to some questions that have been asked in the comments:
-Some people have wondered if you'll get assassinated since everyone in your land has -100 opinion of you. This was never an issue for me. I'm 99% certain that barons can't start plots against you, and they're the only ones who'll be left in your realm.
-Some people have asked about succession. You'll definitely want to avoid getting partitioned, but that's really not difficult in CK3. I used the "Disinherit" option on surplus male heirs since renown was so easy to come by, but there are tons of other options if you prefer other succession strategies. There's nothing stopping you from imprisoning + executing your sons.
-When I mentioned "war exhaustion" in the video, I was referring to the "offensive war" popular opinion penalty.
-For stress management, you'll definitely want to avoid some traits. Being "Just" or "Generous" is pretty much a death sentence with this strategy. Otherwise, you should be in the clear. You'll get lots of rivals in your dungeons as you revoke their land, and pleasure houses increase stress loss. I reckon I was getting around -100 stress per year from rivals dying in my dungeons.
-If you want an easy way to see how many counties are in your realm, this number is listed in the realm tab at the top ("realm size").
-Using this strategy, I was able to conquer the world by 1038 AD. You can see the result of my game here: www.reddit.com/r/CrusaderKings/comments/ipwmei/world_conquest_in_1038ad_maximum_exploits_edition/
@@richdob They are fairly weak, to be honest. Like everyone (except the Byzantine), they are in partition, so they have a hard time consolidating their power.
No Reman there is a better strategy. Go down the torturer line down the the last two before the Torturer trait. 100% imprison chance and Dread never decays so your vassals never do anything against you and if they do form a faction, just imprison the ones at the top because that 50% imprison chance is nice to have and gets you 100% imprison chance all the time once you get it. Now throw in the fear tax with 100 dread and all your vassals will be terrified giving you 30% tax and levies from your vassals. Unlike any other lifestyle, you will never, ever, have problems with vassals under the torture strategy.
It won't work in PVP as people can murder you XD and will likely do so.
Finally a nice strategy. I have been playing as Seldjuk and almoravid and when their son get the throne all of vassal have - 50 - 100 opinion of him and its difficult to continue the game past 2 generation.
Why do you have missing textures?
Soooo... absolutism in CK3?
Imperialism
I am the SENATE
Hi pravus
How the horde
@@redpanda5389 he doesn't wanna talk about it :D
So basically everyone is playing the feudalism game and you the player goes about 900 years into the future and straight into absolutism? Nice.
even better since in real despotism, there is still a bureaucracy to manage
To be fair, even in arguably the most absolutist country in Europe, 18th century Prussia, the king only held about 30-40% of the land directly, so I guess this is more like just a modern unitary state
@@spanish.inquisition France says hello
@@caiawlodarski5339 Louis XIV may have said his famous line, but it was in Frederick William and Frederick the Great that it found its full embodiment. French absolutism didn't go beyond Ile-de-France
@@spanish.inquisition That's completely false.
Sounds more like a guide for what the first patch will be.
And instead of fixing it by simply changing tax/levy penatly cap to 99%. They will figure out that best way to fix playstyle is to remove it :D
First patch? CK3 already has patch 1.0.3 so fourth patch maybe.
@@DivinityOfBLaze i mean...you're technically right, but a second decimal patch indicates tiny bug fixes i'd expect it in a point release maybe, so 1.1. or maybe a little further down the line, this has other consequences after all, not a value they might want to chance on the fly
@@lethalnl A patch is a path there is no technically there. We wont be seeing any this month and the next is supposedly 1.0.4 plus you say second decmial but paradox does have stuff for bug fixes even beyond that. That being x.x.x.x format. Used pretty recently too in other games.
In fact they've had x.x.x patches that were MASSIVE so your theory doesn't really fit in with what paradox does.
@@DivinityOfBLaze Klugscheißer
Mach dich ab !
Throws some guy in the dungeon
"You will be king and won't refuse it!!!"
Guy- "huhhhh ok"
Brings all the lords from around the country to the jail=> ''YOU SEE THIS MAN HERE.HE IS YOUR KING NOW"
“CK3 is shockingly well optimized” yeah took me by surprise too mate
A first for paradox, really.
Maybe they will finally fix the wrongs of eu4
@@spacecat4689 emperor updated eu4 LAGS
tfw CK3 runs better than CK2.
Just wait till there's 59384 DLCs to mix and match, then it'll bog back down to its spot.
These has been patched, please up vote to let other knows
how?
@@cromusician6153 more severe punishment. so basically not nearly as much tax and troops.
And just FYI, having a genius ruler inbreed like crazy and boost stats(and get more traits) you can get INSANELY strong with relatively little territory.
I had hundreds of thousands of troops at my disposal and hundreds of gold per month, let alone being head of my own faith and pretty much having every layer of my realm be my own family
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@@cromusician6153 it's really just as simple as that.
get the good traits, focus on the bloodline legacy and keep inbreeding your family.
Keep an eye on getting fresh blood every once in a while and not marrying too close too much or you might get screwed later with sudden LOADS of inbred characters.
Besides that make sure to be your culture head so you decide what the fascination is and get high learning (genius boosts experience so you could choose it after your main focus)
And go ham.
Marry Smart and have her do patronage constantly.
You'll be so insanely developed no one in your realm can touch you.
Throw in a bit of high steward for the insane cash flow to sustain constant building.
I remember attempting it the penalties if im not mistaken reaches 100 percent or smth
*The king has returned*
you should really learn from Reman for how to gain absolute control of China
with absolutly no vassals
Says the guy who can't get rid of "surrendered" warlords.
Timothy Cook We don’t talk about that
Correction: Better than a mid-game Stellaris map
Oof
How about Endless space 2?
@Hey Bye Alpha century
Aaaa my paaaiin
Mid-game Stellaris? I remember trapping the AI in the first year then building a galaxy wide empire before it blew up my PC finally declaring war after a 1000 years of building ships. Too long ago to remember numbers but had over a million ships go into the fight lol was like the videos setting off nuke mines in fallout.
I do wish that "getting rid of vassals" was called the "Louis XIV" strategy rather than the "North Korea" strategy.
I thought the "disowning everyone that isn´t the state and profiting from throwing someone random into jail" would be the Stalin-Strat
@@wombataldebaran9686 You don't know what you're talking about
@@WastedEfforts Ever heard of what is called 'a joke'?
You should try it sometimes.
@@wombataldebaran9686 Jokes have to be funny my dude.
Calling the sky green isn't funny. It's just wrong.
@@wombataldebaran9686 Don't engage the combots.
In the very recent 1.1 Patch, this was nerfed to complete unviability. Might want to let any future viewers know.
- The maximum penalty for being over your domain limit is now -100% taxes/levies, increased from -90%.
- If you vastly exceed your Domain Limit for more than one year (the grace period for new inheritances/conquests), all buildings will deactivate until your domain limit is lowered.
So no taxes, no levies, and all the buildings that give bonuses and boosts are flat-out disabled.
Better performance than a late game stellaris map. Not a very high standard.
Lol. Months fly so fast that the only thing stopping me from finishing an entire year in like 15 seconds is all the events that pause it.
Someone’s pc can’t handle a 4 year old game lmao
@@Kylepf13 You underestimate unoptimised games.
@@Kylepf13 Stellaris runs like ass even on monster PC's. It's got shit optimization. Some people get lucky and then think it runs well for everyone.
I have never won stellaris game, when I get 200 years into the game each day takes around 5-7 seconds and it's so incredibly boring
When you realize a government official from north korea will watch or has watched this video because it has 'North Korea' in the title.
"Great Leader, the UA-camrs of the West are beginning to see the advantages to our way of governing things!"
This game will be brimming with North Koreans, that is, if they unban the internet.
@@pierreproudhon9008 They could probably pirate the game
Funny enough North Korea has been trying to improve their global opinion in recent years through "blogger like vlogging" on youtube, in the style of casey neistat.
Its like watching a baby county try to improve its propaganda from the 19th century to the 21 century, maybe one day it will achieve the US's level of subterfuge.
@@dongster529 Would probably work better if they just get some people to get used to internet and start streaming on twitch to the South Koreans
Pros: You can definitely smash everyone with this strategy
Cons: It will be pretty boring
Yep
Yeah, it ruins the role play element in the game
you went out for cigarettes, came back, realized you forgot to buy a lighter and left again. lmao
Reman Came Back After 2 Years said "Is this me or has this series gone on for a long time" in an unfinished EU4 Series, stuck around for a while then went for a year again.
Note: titles can only be revoked from the vassal you granted them to after 1 year. Thats why the revoke title list shows empty when you do this exploit
Thanks 👍
Thank you!
just got patched out with the max penalty for being over limit now being fully deactivating all buildings if you get the 100 percent domain penalty
Yeah I noticed this strategy doesn't work in the game at this point in time, they patched it :D
@@Yourebeautyfull Good. Why have game breaking tactics. Its such a nice game without it
Thank goodness I have a buddy who did this to me while playing ck2. Way to overpowered. Rebellious vassals are fun
I think they also patched out the great purge to I wanted to keep the king titles for my self and unland non dynasty members how ever he didnt take a new country when I revoked it
I'd be tempted to try this. But currently my strategy has been almost complete opposite. I give every holding I conquer to dynasty members. Currently about 2,000 members with 200ish houses. Also generate about 50ish renown a month.
Sounds like it'd lead to a lot civil wars as people try to claim the throne
@@ProjectEkerTest33 Absolute crown authority ftw
@@ProjectEkerTest33 claims die out after a single generation, but for the rest of the game that vassal will give a bonus for being a member of your dynasty. So it's a good long term investment.
@@ProjectEkerTest33 I actually just dis-inherit all my children expect my choosen heir. Which is easy, because of the renown generation. So none of the king level vassals in my realm have claims to the empire.
@@mileswhite9211 Also thanks to the bloodlines dynasty tree most my vassals are developing great congenial traits to make them more useful.
The game is barely out yet and you've already broken it!?!? Amazing!
1 week is enough, give it a year and you can break the game in hundreds of ways
its been 1 week
When paradox games are just out it is easy to break them because the devs haven't had time to patch out exploits yet.
Discover? this was a strat in ck2 like... 6 years ago. The problem was the engine not being to do shit past 50ish holdings and crashing all the time.
Spiff broke it one day before its release, welcome to the world of cheese and perfectly balanced game mechanics^^
Good ol "people min maxing paradox games for absolutely no reason" never gets old.
Sorry, I’ve never heard that term before.
What does min maxing mean?
@@aspielm759 Optimizing something to an insane degree.
@@aspielm759 its when you optimize it to such an extent that the game tell you 'you are now the most powerful man in the world, please you must have mercy on my poor family'
@@aspielm759 Refers to Character creation in D&D or other Table top role play games, where you can put a minimum number in a stat so you can Maximize another Stat, ie. Charisma is a 3 (min) so you can put an 18(max) in Strength, giving you an ugly, muscle ridden fighter, but who needs to talk to people anyway :P
@@aspielm759 Minimizing your weaknesses, maximizing your strengths.
I clicked this in my sub box thinking it was alzabo or radio res or something and then I learn that the KING has returned.
All hail Reman!
Neat! I mean i'm probably never gonna do this but man, you really took a bat to this game.
There's one more thing that is often overlooked that this fixes: "de jure penalty".
A little explained fact is that vassals have a not particularly well explained penalty of -25% or -50% tax/levy penalty if you do not hold specific De Jure titles above theirs. For a large empire, this means you don't even get the 10% tax default, but rather 5%, and that's on top of any reductions due to multi-tiers of vassals. The worst part is that these penalties were worse in CK2 (up to -75%). Always thought it was a stupid penalty.
But doesn't it make sense? I mean ruling over land that is not within any of your titles would basically be seen as foreign occupation by the local leaders, and therefore even loyal subjects within this territory wouldn't see you as legally deserving of local tax burdens.
@@Nikolaj11 Makes perfect sense when you hold kingdom of bavaria for 200 years as russia then give it to random guy and hes sunddenly:WAIT YOU ARE NOT MY DEJURE LIEGE.Dude...
@Raizen Cruer no you have to completely hold control the de jure title of that County
you can slowly integrated those titles
@Raizen Cruer Not necessarily. Only Duchies can shift to a new Kingdom, and only Kingdoms can shift to a new empire. If you own London as the King of France, but you ALSO own the Kingdom of England, the county of London will permanently stay inside the Kingdom of England since it exists. If 2000 years later you become the Emperor of France and give the Kingdom of England to someone, then suddenly they'll say "hey wait a second, you're not my de jure liege!". Stupidly, if you become the Emperor of France, keep the Kingdom if England, but give the Kingdom of France away, then everyone in England will be perfectly happy since you are their de jure liege, and of course the Emperor of France is the de jure liege of the Kingdom of France.
Frankly, Paradox needs to stop with the "expansion penalties beyond certain limits" concept in Crusader Kings. Unlike other games (even Stellaris, the game that basically got rid of expansion penalties), Crusader Kings actually does NOT end the game if your entire realm gets "conquered", now you play within another country's borders. There's really no need for tiny nations to be able to stand up to empires in this game, the exception being holy wars but you can always convert to the attackers religion.
Every time Reman uploads a video, my day gets 100% better.
a counter balance in a future patch to this is adding severe control penalties (either a negative control modifier or a control cap penalty) as you go over your domain limit. It makes sense too since it's hard to assert control directly over a large amount of land
yeah, it surprises me how they didnt think of that, when they literally put in the county control mechanic not present in CK2, the one thing that even provides a historical reasoning behind the domain/demesne limit, and why you'd need/want to have vassals in the first place - because they didn't have the level and range of control modern states have due to bureaucratic, technological, cultural, military, etc. innovations. i hate to write 'literally' more than necessary but this is literally the reason feudalism existed in the first place.
Yeah i think instead of direct hit to levies and taxes. Going over the domain limit should reduce the max amount of control in your counties.
@@hussnainsamee2603 Not even the max, just a scaling monthly control loss. So if you somehow got a good source of monthly control gain, you could go above your normal demesne limit without a problem.
But I guess they'd need to tweak the system so that you can't go on a massive purge and raise a massive levy before the control penalties kick in...
Okay, maybe max control level is the way to go.
@@naphackDT yeah thats a great idea. Just remove domain limit completely. You get a base amount of control gain e.g. +0.5. Every county has -0.1 base monthly control gain. So if you have two counties your 0.5 is divided into 2 and each county get +0.15 monthly control. So you can hold 5 cpunties max before you start losing control over all your counties. Then you get cultural inovations, skill tree perks and your stewardship skill that add monthly control. So e.g. if have 10 stewardship you get a +0.2 control, so now you can hold 7 counties before losing control in all of them. The numbers can be balanced as i was just giving an example
It wouldn't matter once you have free men-at-arms from stacking global buffs, you have to make the penalties affect said buffs somehow.
The main issue really is that having vassals at the moment only gives you disadvantages without all the advantages. So they should buff your income and levies and increase the over demesne limit penalty to over 100 % but also allow you to be a little bit over desmesne like 10%...
the strat with the count in prison and giving him Kingdoms is so simple im surprised i never spotted it in game myself. good shit my man
Two types of crusader king players. One that treats it like a role playing game and another that treats just like a game
And then there's LoversLab.
Can't wait to watch it! your stuff is always top quality.
I'm so glad I stumbled across your video, it's been years.
Nice to hear that Xenoblade Chronicles 2 music in the video.
took me by surprise tbh
Me too, I’m pretty sure it’s the Garfont mercenaries day theme
I love that soundtrack, had to watch the first part twice lol
I named my religion "The party" my ruler "Big Brother" and went full 1984
Underrated
Looking forward to more CK3 videos from you mate!
Missed the opportunity to name religion "Jucheism"
Thank you for showing me this! Now I can finaly re manage my vassals. As they seem to be constantly fighting each other... ooof...
Tbh i always give land to vassal and afk watching them expand. Microing (by needing to declare war on every single one since there is no one else to expand for you) is too intense.
Any Paradox game:
Remans Paradox: oops i broke the game
Damn, this cheese has layers
It's good to see that some of the classic strats from CK2 are back with a vengeance.
The game's barely out and you've broken it! Bravo sir!
Oh this strategy was what I used in CK1! Ahh... The classics never die!
To be fair, the various Chinese empires of the time had almost all the power centralized under state control, so, if one were playing Zoroastrian Persia, a Muslim Qalifate or an Indian Maharaja it wouldn't really be impossible for them to want to implement a similar model to the Imperial administration of the Tang/Song Empire and be rid of fragmentary feudalism, especially as they'll have had historic trade routes with China and could be familiar with the Imperial system - if one does this in Christian Europe though it's like time travelling to the 18th century lol!
A bit of a stretch.The provinces (further divided into commanderies and counties) in the various chinese dynasties were still managed by goverrnors and not the Emperor.
@@wijse Governors who were selected meritocratically based on their results at the Imperial examination, who were appointed by the emperor and who usually managed provinces far away from their birthplace so that they would not have local connections and power bases which would allow them to rebel. That certainly wasn't feudalism, and nominally the state controlled all those provinces even though (obviously!) the emperor did not manage them directly - it is as close to this system as it gets in the middle ages...
In truth, the Chinese imperial system was far more efficient than this and you would get more than 10% of the land's proceeds under it, (except for years when the emperor abolished taxes to appease the people) and obviously it had many unique elements of its own (the national Imperial examination, non-local vassal governors that could even be educated commoners etc), but what I'm saying is that it was closer to this strategy than classical feudalism and you could roleplay that you are a powerful emperor who is importing a Chinese-inspired model of governance and becoming the "son of heaven of the west" if you're doing this kind of playthrough...
@@Vict0r1984 Or you can just go with the obvious roman empire angle.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Sure, for Europe. I mean, given Persia's centuries-long rivalry and many wars with Eastern Rome, a Persian Shah would never publicly announce that he is copying anything Roman, let alone declare himself Roman Emperor, whereas an Indian Maharaja would've barely heard anything about the Roman Empire... For a Muslim ruler I guess it could work given Mehmed II's ambition to become Caesar and conquer Rome itself after he took Constantinople in 1453.
I think my main aversion to this idea comes from too many historical fake Romes we already had - HRE, then Russia declaring itself the 3rd Rome after the fall of Byzantium simply because they were the last orthodox empire standing and one of their czars married a Byzantine princess in the early 1500s, and even Mehmed II and his Ottoman empire! There's only that many fake Roman empires I can tolerate... 😂😂😂
@@Vict0r1984 Rome to this very day serves as the touchstone of the empire that unites the known world in European culture, so of course every ambitious conqueror worth their salt will claim its heritige.
For everyone that can't revoke any titles: just wait a year or so and the titles will show up. Once u revoke the vassals primary titles he will take one of his vassals titles :)
Was looking for this, have a like.
Wow, and I thought I was good at this game. Very good video!
Will this is just a way of breaking the game... It's a clever strategy, but it doesn't show any skills in the game itself, and wasn't even intended to exist... They already patched it so you can't use it anymore :P
Can't wait to see how Paradox will patch this particular exploit out.
The could make it so every domain over the limit makes the max control of the counties lower, starting one or two months after You get them
Just make the max over limit penalty max out at 100% or higher.
Have 34 holdings with a limit of 6?
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I love the music in this video!
This auto-purge strategy reminds me of a line from the G&S musical "Ruddigore" where a nice man is trying to convince a devil that he's been doing evil deeds: "Well if I can't disinherit my own unborn son, then whose unborn son CAN I disinherit?"
It wasn't mentioned in this video but you can fix inheritance very easily with this strategy too. As soon as you have 2 emperor titles, put both of them on elective and elect whoever you want to play next for both those titles (you hold all votes so no problem).
For some reason as soon as you have a second title of the same rank as your primary title your domain won't split anymore when both titles go to the same heir via election, even when on partition
I was thinking about trying this strategy, tough it is sort of against the spirit of things, and if you are not the Byzantines you would have to always make sure to only have 1 heir
Niccceeeee. Hooked and subbed! Thanks for this mate
Kudos to you mate for bringing this to the masses! I am baffled however, as to why anyone would want to cheese out of a historical simulation open ended game that doesn’t have strict goals to aim for.
Oh well...I guess it’s there for anyone who wants to...
I hear the XC2 music, nice
Hey, I know this isn't related to the video topic, but we need an update on the Hoi4 Naval mechanics! I can't seem to find any comprehensive summary or explanation anywhere and it's been well over a year. If you make one, I'll turn off Ad-Blockers to watch!
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this is mthe best video on CK3 i found! thus a shame that youtube is full of useless spam video giving useless advice.. took me a while to find this one! Props to you man, thanks alot! And honestly having vassals is stupid game mechanic to begin with, they shouldve focussed way more on combat then on this bs
my god reman you've done it again
Thank you for existing Reman
Amusingly I discovered this while trying to go for the norman yoke achievement, which I'm like 80% is bugged, but I ended up revoking basically everything because everybody was either Anglo-Saxon or Norman, and discovered I had more levies and gold than before.
Why is the Reman always gone?
I will say just having predomenantly dukes and counts, will make you stronger for about 90% of the game, as you will be getting more than double the levies you are getting when going absolute
Oh hoh hoh I am about to troll my friends. Thanks, Reman.
well if they are smart they go with kidnap assasination war
and you are dead.
@@marczhu7473 well thats a big OOF right there.
Welcome back Reeman!
5:16 Guy must be thinking "WTF man?!"
This game is awesome. First time player here. Played as Asturias. Slowly taking land from Ummayad's and then took some lands in England, my daughter married into Italian royal family where her children is born into my family, daughter becomes Queen of Italy and they had A LOT of land. France had a lot of land too and lost 75% of it to Aquitane, then helped my Vassal get Aquitane because he had a claim on it. Also married into Wessex and my song was King also. I had a daughter in Byzantine royal family but she didnt become queen or anything. I'm on year 920 and i finished kicking out the Ummayad's and on my way to creating Hispania. Loving this game. LOL
That’s like that one EU4 strat where you give all your Ming’s land to a horde, seize it back, kill the vassal and then release and play it
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That's incorrect. In CK2 you can trasfer vassals to a imprisoned people at least in the latest patch.
Return of the king!
Welcome back. It's been a while
*Sept Game Patch*
“........Annnnnnnnnd it’s gone!”
Welcome back roman 🙂👍
Good to see him back
Wow we solved CK3 nice and quick. Not going to try this strat myself, just revoking all that land would make me braindead. Tho part of me hopes Paradox leaves features as is so that when I do pick up this game one day, I could pull this off.
Keep uploading this game!
ok, so I guess a lot of the "Roman Empire" achievements got cheesed before this gets fixed :c
Here Reman is talking about CK3, but all I can hear is Xenoblade Chronicles 2 music in the background.
its not working for me, probalby i´m doing it wrong. i cant take any titels from the prisoned King. do i miss smething ?
so nice game and gameplay! very good gameplay bro
I wish there's a DLC that expands the map into China, Korea and Japan. I wanna go full North Korea mode. Hopefully by then we will also have the Character Editor to create the Kim Dynasty.
Wait, so the hard cap for the personal domain size is only 10? Ow, how disappointing. I was setting up my ruler with high stewardship bonuses, and bee lining towards domain increase perk. :(
I always played like that in both CK games, I didn't even know people gave it a name. I never understood why you would play in any other way. This video still taught me how to revoke titles easy mode though.
You were king of the world, Prince Musa.
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holy shit he's back
I have never played ck2 too much so seeing "North Korea" in ck3 is something new
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Awesome! UA-cam recommending me to gamble for some extra cash. Gotta love that!
OP strat! Will have to try once ;D
”Better than a late game stellaris map” hit me hard as a stellaris fan cause its true though it can be midigated by turning of xeno compadability its still a nightmare.
11 months of big sad :(
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The return of the king!
There's a few other comments with this too but for me nothing appears on revoke title screen. Waiting monthly tick(s) doesn't help either.
Wait a year after granting the county
It's a big meme that the buildings that say they affect your entire realm only work if you're personally holding them.
The part about duchy buildings give me an idea for a hybrid strategy. What if you just stayed a duke to keep the better tax rates from having counts as your direct de jure vassals? Im not sure how going over the vassal limit works though and it probably wouldn't be better but it be interesting to try
This video is like the modern day version of that book or letter that machiavelli wrote
" - The maximum penalty for being over your domain limit is now -100% taxes/levies, increased from -90%.
- If you vastly exceed your Domain Limit for more than one year (the grace period for new inheritances/conquests), all buildings will deactivate until your domain limit is lowered. "
rom latest patch 1.1.1 notes 9/29/2020
What happened to our boy 😔
NICE! I was wondering why my military academies didn't provide any additional knights.
i feel like new update is coming because of this video