Let us know below what you thought of this concept! Lets work together to get Knott's Berry Farm to potentially take inspiration from the content in this video! This project was around a year in the making! We have a new website where you can read about all of the past attractions that we have designed. You can also get information about how much these projects cost if you have an idea for a concept that you want us to bring to life. This video was only made because of our clients vision. If enough people are interested, I may consider making a new updated POV with the extended layout in Unreal Engine 5 where you can interact with the space and ride the coaster in VR. We have two more exciting projects in the works that are of the same quality and scale as this. I would even say they are better. One is a clients vision of a coaster for King's Island and the other is for Universal Studios Hollywood, Atrocicoaster. Our own vision of what a Velocicoaster sequel could look like in California. When I say this project is big, I mean it. This project is planned to be fully rendered and playable in Unreal Engine 5. Check out our community page on UA-cam for updates. That's all I can share at the moment. We have all been super busy dreaming up places for all of you to escape to. You can access all of the released project files for this project here: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1z5lZ7zqWDwhX3xN6fmaHSwmcBeiYulR9?usp=sharing Hope you all have a great day! Until next time!
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STANDING OVATION WITH A THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE!!!!!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 KNOTTS BERRY FARM.......IT'S TIME TO STAND AND DELIVER!!!! THIS IS AN INSTANT SMASH!!! NOTHIIIIING SHORT OF PERFECT !!
This is so awesome…I think Knotts also need to build a parking garage on it’s current parking lot. Again great job and I hope Knotts is paying attention.
This needs to spread on social media because the GP will absolutely eat this up and think it's real 😅. Incredible concept that needs to be seen by Knotts and the city of Buena Park!
This is just as depressing as it is amazing. Your concept is flawless and exactly what this park needs. However, the fact that it most likely won't happen is damning and the saddest reality. That being said, the best possible outcome is what you created. Bravo!
Wow.. I am blown away by this! This is such an improvement of the Giga design that was supposedly leaked a year ago. Great concept and modeling skills !!
The coaster would probably never happen with sound issue complaints from neighbors. The redesigned main entrance and new guest service building you created is very nice and something that would be welcomed - and is actually something I could see them doing. I kinda don’t like overbearing coasters, though it looks fun and yours at least is on the perimeter. I hate what Silver Bullet did to the beauty of the lake.
KBF & CF need to see this. A gigacoaster of this scale would not only give the park a star attraction, it would also give the park a ton of positive media attention, especially in the event they decide to close Montezuma for good.
I think this is amazing! The execution of the ideas and it,s all laid out very understandably . You should contact Herschend family entertainment, who owns Dollywood (1/2) and Silver dollar city, as well as other theme parks. I don’t know how familiar you are with these parks, but they are very first class, and the creative work is outstanding. Lara McKay would be a good person to contact, who manages the creative studio, which handles all the theme park design for the company
That's a great idea! Funny you say this because I actually have a dream of building a theme park partnered with them! Some of it is already in Blender. Best project ever. I will reach out when the time is right.
Hey @intim305! Nice to see you here! Thanks a lot! You were one of the UA-cam channels I looked up to when I was just starting out! Glad you like it! You make great content!
I have no words… This by far the best video I’ve seen when it comes to Knott’s! Loving the entrance so much, keeping its rich history! If this fully happens, they’ll forsure give both Disney and Six Flags a run for its money! Very nicely done man 👏🏽👏🏽
A note to Knott's: Please build this before I am too old to ride! The area needs to be opened up to also allow for expansion of other flat rides. Mysrery Lodge is probably toast, so that space could be utilized.
Unbelievably cool! Very, berry, well done! I hope the city would allow this, and i can’t imagine it happening given the recent SF/CF merger, but if they somehow finance it properly, they could invest $50M to make this a reality. I mean, they’ve given Carowinds and Kings Island SO much investment lately, KBF is well overdue for this long rumored addition. Again, incredible job! Worth the wait!
It looks like the front gate expansion would also require the removal of Cable Car Kitchen, the small surf store and Starbucks. A new home for at least the Starbucks would have to be found. It’s really popular. I think some of the details need to be refined but this looks like a sound concept overall.
It could be attached next to the newly created, multi level guest services building. Plenty of possibilities. I think the greatest takeaway is how the grand Ave entrance needs to be replaced so that all of the available space infront of the main entrance can be utilized. You're landlocked, so you want to maximize and make sure what space that you have is being utilized to its ultimate potential.
💯 This was a combination of Dustin and Elite's FVD ++ track work! There were a lot of iterations going back and forth. Some parts of the final were hand built. The coaster forces are still realistic, however. Thanks for commenting!
Not necessarily, more would help, they could finally use some of that corporate events area near soak city they could get another 1000+ spaces over there. They have options.
Knott's had better take notice, anything less is going to be such a disappointment! These additions would bump Knott's up to a major destination park. Love the placement and quality of the attraction. The new entrance and themed areas are top notch. Couldn't be more impressed with your creativity!
Lots of great things happening here! I would love to see this constructed- though the total costs would exceed anything Cedar Fair has ever attempted. This would be Disney level money into the 9 figures (100+ million). Some suggestions- 1. I don't think an entry plaza for the park where people will be walking past 20 or so gates to get to theirs is going to work. Most people aren't going to get to "gate 25" if gate 3 is open to them, especially give the tight space your render shows. However, that could be remedied by placing barriers that lead to groups of 5 gates at a time, where team members could be waiting to direct them to individual gates across a few sections. 2. No sound system would be possible in competition with 100 mph speeds. The wind noise is simply too great to justify having onboard music. Hollywood Dream and Himalayan Eagle both get quite muffled at their ~60 top speed. But I doubt Knott's would spring such something that superflous. 3. Timed fastlane is great in theory, but to ensure a 5 minute wait time and meet the demands of fastlane, it would certainly need to be single use. Especially given Knott's severe struggles with acheiving throughput on most of their rides. 4. The MAJOR issue I see here is the placement and angle of the lift hill. Residents have already forced the "shed" onto Ghostrider, and have also caused the shed on Pony Express due to noise complaints. I simply don't see a possibility for that to get past the city as an open air drop toward that end of the park. NIMBYism will render several elements on this ride completely unattainable- sadly. Still, I love your proposal- excellent work!
Thanks for the feedback! I agree! Some adjustments may need to be made. It is good to just put everything out there and give it our all and subtract from there. I really hope that something similar can be made!
@@Escape_Designs excellent take, as for the lift hill orientation and placement, it's facing soak city and over 1000ft away from the closest nearby homes. Ghostriders drop directly faces homes. Pony Express is less than looft from a nearby home. What this tells me is that knott's has a form of imminent domain as they were there 1st. If complaints come in, they add sound insulation. Se thing happened at Canada's Wonderland with leviathan, where they complained about the classic B&M roar, sand was added in key areas. As for this ride, they can add a half-pipe sound shield on the right/east side of the drop, much like Silver Starr & Incredicoaster at California Adventure. I'm a huge advocate for when there's a will, there's a way Lastly, the lift hill placement, every giga has TONS of space underneath the lift hill structure. Leviathan has other rides underneath its hill. Orion has que line switchbacks, and the layout traverses underneath the drop a bit. Fury 325 is the worst... It's a junkyard basically, mixed with a returning track layout. Gold Rush would use its space, 80% for existing back of house structures, and the other 20% for a returning track layout around the drop.
The new entry area looks great! I'd be concerned about moving the traffic from in front of the entrance on Grand Ave to in front of the Marketplace on Grand Ave. I could foresee a big backup of cars trying to park/drop off along with guests trying to cross to get to either side of the market place.
Yeah, that circle for drop-off will be backed up for miles. The current setup could be improved but at least it has traffic moving in one direction. I love the entrance plaza idea.
Or... Remove the turnaround drop off. Since grand has 2 lanes, but only one is needed in the new setup to provide access to the existing Beach Blvd tunnel, the right lane could be drop off, much like the current setup, allowing one lane to flow freely.
We most definitely will! This is all part of phase 2 of Escape Designs! Phase 2 pushes us to make professional high quality products to prepare and train us for phase 3. Phase 3 is when we are actually doing work for the industry, and if we keep dreaming, phase 4 is when we design and build our own park! I have been working on this park for since childhood.
Alright! If I find time I might start posting techniques on how I make these projects! A lot of my friends at my college want me to do the same to help them with our architecture projects.
I have never been to Knotts, and know very little of the place. But as a presentation itself this was amazing! Lots of credits to all of you who worked on this video. The only thing that left me with questions was the routing for the turnstiles. I recognize the constant flow that you would have, but wouldnt you be afraid of a lot of congestion at the entrance for the queue? People would like to see I guess and that is not a handy place to make a show stopper in my opinion. Curious what your thoughts are! Great work and I would absolutely love to see more of these kinds of video's!
Thanks a lot! The new entrance is experimental. It should work just like the attraction of a ride so it shouldn't be too bad. It is only really busy during peak hours. We will definitely be making videos like this after each mega project!
@@Escape_Designs My favorite part, or the thing I like most was the fact of how much detail you guys put into the project itself. Making sure there was room to keep knott’s charm for example, by protecting the ghost town. I also quite enjoyed how you took in the small details, like providing angles for photo opportunities. Overall though a fantastic watch through and through every part was my favorite.
An AMAZING concept! I worked at KBF for 25yrs., sadly this will never be built. Cedar Fair owns KBF, Knott's Berry Farm is just a name for the park. So all decisions come from Cedar Fair and they will never put this must work/theming into a project. $$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!
We used lots of preliminary design layouts in No Limits 2 going back and forth with the client. The final track layout was made in FVD++. We exported the spline and animation data from No Limits 2 and rendered the animation with the scenery in Blender. Let me know if you have any other questions!
Wow!! This presentation is wild! Great job! We hope to get to Knotts Berry Farm one day. CF (Now Six Flags due to merger) need you on their concept team. I would love to see you do a concept of my home park, Kings Dominion. Oh yeah I subbed
Great effort ... there are several different aspects of this project can be comments on At the arrival scale, most will arrive from the north as few arrive from the south on Beach Blvd. This coaster will be visible from miles away including the Pixar Fun Wheel. This track can serve as a gateway arch ... would be possible to cross beach blvd to the east lot? Also express the landmark structure of Independence Hall and the Gateway Structures on both the north and southern ends. This will not only be a symbol of Knott's but a signature element for Buena Park and perhaps the catalyst for urban renewal along the south. What was the inspiration for the design of the Mining Structures? It is a challenge to lean into a more period accurate solution for the architectural and the landscape elements. Historic verse contemporary? This attraction definitely wavers between human scale and skyscrapers. So the low to the ground theming lead to some interesting and iconic presentations. It may also be helpful to model the hotel. And consider additional rides and attractions in this expanded land and relocate the back lot collection of haunted houses. The backlot currently has storage the should not be within view. This new frontier would connect the Ghostrider and either Calico Rapids or the Bird Cage Theater, which requires a coordination with back of house services also. Sometimes you have to stop going down the rabbit hole. This major addition could also help to celebrate the arrival from the Knott's Hotel and the southern lots. Exciting visualization. Looking forward to future work! This is definitely an elephant that can't be eaten in one sitting. Great job.
Theoretically, anything is really possible, it's just a matter of the local ordinance. The main inspiration was Mystery Mine at Dollywood. What's great about this coaster? Is that the functionality of hiding the existing structures with rock wall facades makes the illusion that you're sunken into the ground in a mine village. Thanks for the comment!
The only dampener to this idea that I could see, besides the financial cost, is that if the Six Flags and Cedar Fair merger goes through, the new company isn't going to want to build two gigas in the SoCal area. And that's assuming a giga is indeed what Magic Mountain is currently working on. That being said, that only refers to the roller coaster itself. The concept presented about the new front entrance could, and still should, absolutely happen, and if Magic Mountain does get a Giga, that still leaves Knotts with a few other options they could go for to make the park more unique. Like, say, a B&M Dive Machine, or any one of Vekoma's new models (especially the new Tilt Coaster). Or an S&S Axis coaster.
Agreed! Another thing to consider is that the park would possibly have to get shut down for an extensive period as the entrance and road will be replaced. Even the coaster will be traveling under Grand Ave. They could get around this by constructing parts at a time. Still, even if they find a way to keep the park open, it will be covered with construction walls all over the place. Maybe someone at Knott's has some other ideas to solve this.
The NIMBYs would never let a giga happen at Knott’s. Even Ghostrider pissed them off enough to cause expensive problems. And now SFMM is facing potential problems with NIMBYs dictating what coasters they can build since those houses started going in behind the park.
@@Escape_Designs I think they still have the entrance over by the Kingdom of the Dinosaurs/Voyage to the Iron Reef Dark Ride building (which I know is something else now but I forget the name), so they could use that as a temporary "main" entrance while renovating the front entrance.
I love it but the problem is marketplace has Some buildings that are historical And cannot be removed... Great concept and I absolutely love it but that's the reality
The buildings you're referring to is Virginia's Gift Shop, and the neighboring Mrs. Knott's Chicken Dinner Restaurant. This ride does not interfere or interact with those buildings at all. The building that was removed, currently houses Starbucks, Cable Car Funnel cakes, A volcom/California clothing store, Boba knott's drink store and the old annual pass processing center. These stores all utilize the same building, and it's NOT historical at all. In fact, the clothing store is currently being repurposed into a Wescom Credit Union Bank.... Strange huh.
@tahjo7 Actually all the buildings starting from the chicken dinner restaurant are historical too, leading to the Emporium that was once the farm Nursery. The plaque outside Chicken to Go and Farm Bakery explains that’s been open since 1934. Across Grand Ave the wooden building housing Snoopy Headquarters dates to the farm days too from the 1930s and was then a Basket Shop and Wood Shop. Then by Knott’s lagoon you have a barn that dates to those days as well (and oc the chapel that was relocated there when Silver Bullet was built). The Cable Car Kitchen building has been there since 1955. (Inside you’ll see a pictures of the cable cars that once whisked guests from the parking lot to the park entrance.) Whether that particular building is worth preserving or not I suppose is debatable. Certainly the Marketplace is loaded with history. (I still think it’s sad half of it closed in 1997 when Ghostrider was built on that land, but Ghostrider is a worthy replacement. And if you look down from the coaster you’ll see some wooden shacks still standing from that part down there).
What does the projected cost look like and how long would this undertaking take? It's a great concept with not much to view negatively, I foresee some minor issues with hyper crowds but nothing that would present any real snags under normal operation. I do think the coaster is a bit too long, but given the Park's competition withing a two hour drive, it would a powerful draw for tourism revenue. The aesthetics are gorgeous! It would pique Disney and Universals attention as it's on par with their presentation and remind them they arent the only dogs in the yard. I commend your team for their attention to detail and thoughtful presentation; this was beautifully executed. It would be a dream come true to see this come to fruition. Bravo!
Guests will not have to wait longer than 5 minutes to ride if they purchase fast lane... oh if only knott's operations would allow that dream to be a reality
We think this will be game changing if they can pull it off! It could be an introduction to the virtual queue system for the park which allows for less time standing in line.
Well that is something for the park to work out. We recommend virtual lines so you can enjoy the park and not stand in line. How do you feel about that system?
I haven’t been to Knott’s in over a decade since it doesn’t have the immersion of Disney/Universal nor does it have the quantity of thrill rides that Magic Mountain does, so I’ve had no reason to return. An addition of this magnitude would easily bring me back.
I know this was an unbelievable task , but could you possibly make a video like this for Universal Studios Hollywood? I feel like that Park could double in size if they use their land Intelligently
For sure! I am actually working on a project for Universal Hollywood where I will be doing a similar presentation like this project. It is for Atrocicoaster, a Velocicoaster inspired land and coaster in the plot of land behind the River Adventure.
They could go with a different design language, but the overall idea of opening up the space to allow for better operations and guest enjoyment is just a natural evolution of the property, as it grows so does its needs to accommodate a growing and advancing society.
@Escape_Designs I don't think it's necessary the marketplace and front Gate are perfect how they are they fit in perfectly maybe they could use a simple paint job in the next few years but they don't need a modern redesign in my opinion that would be as bad as modernizing ghost town
@@Mrfettt respectfully speaking, I've spoken with a few managers and heads of security, which is in charge and operates the main gate experience. They need space to operate safely, and efficiently, they've been desperately asking and looking for alternative designs in order to more efficiently operate and process the now 6 million+ guests that visits knott's on a yearly basis. Its evolution & necessity. So yes, perhaps keep the same design language, but opening up the space has been needed since they added the metal detectors over 10 years ago, and it's only gotten worse in terms of the need for more main entrance space.
Let us know below what you thought of this concept! Lets work together to get Knott's Berry Farm to potentially take inspiration from the content in this video! This project was around a year in the making!
We have a new website where you can read about all of the past attractions that we have designed. You can also get information about how much these projects cost if you have an idea for a concept that you want us to bring to life. This video was only made because of our clients vision.
If enough people are interested, I may consider making a new updated POV with the extended layout in Unreal Engine 5 where you can interact with the space and ride the coaster in VR.
We have two more exciting projects in the works that are of the same quality and scale as this. I would even say they are better. One is a clients vision of a coaster for King's Island and the other is for Universal Studios Hollywood, Atrocicoaster. Our own vision of what a Velocicoaster sequel could look like in California. When I say this project is big, I mean it. This project is planned to be fully rendered and playable in Unreal Engine 5. Check out our community page on UA-cam for updates. That's all I can share at the moment. We have all been super busy dreaming up places for all of you to escape to.
You can access all of the released project files for this project here: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1z5lZ7zqWDwhX3xN6fmaHSwmcBeiYulR9?usp=sharing
Hope you all have a great day! Until next time!
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This is phenomenal
Immaculate details awesome concept art and ideas. LOVE IT!
How many of you watched the whole video, just for curiosity? Would you like to see more videos like this?
Absolutely
Glued to the screen every second. Great script, content and VO!
Sounds good! I will plan on making a video like this for each large scale megaproject we do! @@restlessbohemian26
I watched every second! And yes more please!!
Awesome
STANDING OVATION WITH A THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE!!!!!!
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KNOTTS BERRY FARM.......IT'S TIME TO STAND AND DELIVER!!!!
THIS IS AN INSTANT SMASH!!!
NOTHIIIIING SHORT OF PERFECT !!
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This Project is absolutely insane! The coaster and the presentation is so incredibly amazing that it need to be seen by Knotts and constructed.
Thanks! For sure!
This is so awesome…I think Knotts also need to build a parking garage on it’s current parking lot. Again great job and I hope Knotts is paying attention.
I hope so too! A parking garage will free up even more land too!
You are the future of this industry.
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Hope that knott's Berry Farm will actually build that massive master piece.
Same here!
This needs to spread on social media because the GP will absolutely eat this up and think it's real 😅. Incredible concept that needs to be seen by Knotts and the city of Buena Park!
For sure! Can you help us out?
@@Escape_Designs Absolutely! Would love to share in my social media!.😁
Thanks a lot!
This is just as depressing as it is amazing. Your concept is flawless and exactly what this park needs. However, the fact that it most likely won't happen is damning and the saddest reality. That being said, the best possible outcome is what you created. Bravo!
I hope you are wrong 😔. This would be amazing for the park! What was your favorite part if Knott's could only do one thing?
Outstanding. Knott's definitely needs to take this for inspiration for sure. Well done.
Thanks! We really hope so! It would be a dream come true!
Such a great concept, needs to be on cedar fairs radar!!
Thanks a lot! 😁
Wow.. I am blown away by this! This is such an improvement of the Giga design that was supposedly leaked a year ago. Great concept and modeling skills !!
Glad you like it!
This is incredible! I don't see how Knotts could do anything nearly as good as this
Thanks a lot!
Absolutely blown away. You are indeed the future of the industry.
Comments like this are what keep us going!
AYO KNOTT'S
Hire this man immediately
and if not them somebody else
Cough cough Disney cough cough
That would be a dream come true! Thanks for the support!
The coaster would probably never happen with sound issue complaints from neighbors.
The redesigned main entrance and new guest service building you created is very nice and something that would be welcomed - and is actually something I could see them doing.
I kinda don’t like overbearing coasters, though it looks fun and yours at least is on the perimeter. I hate what Silver Bullet did to the beauty of the lake.
I'll definitely get a pass with the quickness if this goes through. Cali needs one.
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All I can say is woah! That theming is seamless! Just a fantastic presentation! 👏👏👏
Thanks a lot!
Fantastic video! I loved that every aspect had efficiency in mind - something Knott’s could really benefit from
Glad you enjoyed it! Expect more of these style videos in the future!
Yeah it probably won't be called Gold Rush with Gold Rusher like 60 miles up the coast.
True, it's just a place holder, meant to evoke inspiration.
It wouldn't be for too much longer tho.
KBF & CF need to see this. A gigacoaster of this scale would not only give the park a star attraction, it would also give the park a ton of positive media attention, especially in the event they decide to close Montezuma for good.
Exactly 💯
Love this video, you can definitely tell time and effort went into it! *cough Knotts berry Farm*
Glad you enjoyed it! 😉
I think this is amazing! The execution of the ideas and it,s all laid out very understandably .
You should contact Herschend family entertainment, who owns Dollywood (1/2) and Silver dollar city, as well as other theme parks. I don’t know how familiar you are with these parks, but they are very first class, and the creative work is outstanding. Lara McKay would be a good person to contact, who manages the creative studio, which handles all the theme park design for the company
That's a great idea! Funny you say this because I actually have a dream of building a theme park partnered with them! Some of it is already in Blender. Best project ever. I will reach out when the time is right.
this is a massive undertaking, incredibly impressive. huge fan of the inclined loop/helix around the drop
Hey @intim305! Nice to see you here! Thanks a lot! You were one of the UA-cam channels I looked up to when I was just starting out! Glad you like it! You make great content!
@@Escape_Designs that's so cool to hear thank you! I think you may have surpassed my abilities here, especially in blender
Thanks! Crazy to think that!
I have no words… This by far the best video I’ve seen when it comes to Knott’s! Loving the entrance so much, keeping its rich history! If this fully happens, they’ll forsure give both Disney and Six Flags a run for its money! Very nicely done man 👏🏽👏🏽
Glad you enjoyed it! Couldn't agree more!
A note to Knott's: Please build this before I am too old to ride!
The area needs to be opened up to also allow for expansion of other flat rides. Mysrery Lodge is probably toast, so that space could be utilized.
Take notes Knott's! Your guests want this!
Unbelievably cool! Very, berry, well done! I hope the city would allow this, and i can’t imagine it happening given the recent SF/CF merger, but if they somehow finance it properly, they could invest $50M to make this a reality. I mean, they’ve given Carowinds and Kings Island SO much investment lately, KBF is well overdue for this long rumored addition. Again, incredible job! Worth the wait!
Thank you berry much!
Great work with that, it looks so real and would be an great addition for Knotts. They really need to use smellpods in the mine scenes :)
For sure! Thanks a lot!
It looks like the front gate expansion would also require the removal of Cable Car Kitchen, the small surf store and Starbucks. A new home for at least the Starbucks would have to be found. It’s really popular.
I think some of the details need to be refined but this looks like a sound concept overall.
It could be attached next to the newly created, multi level guest services building. Plenty of possibilities.
I think the greatest takeaway is how the grand Ave entrance needs to be replaced so that all of the available space infront of the main entrance can be utilized.
You're landlocked, so you want to maximize and make sure what space that you have is being utilized to its ultimate potential.
This is absolutely insane and beautiful, if knotts doesn’t invest in this they’ll miss out fr, amazing work ❤
Couldn't agree more!
You had me at storage and haunt facilities.
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THIS IS ASTOUNDING o_o also elitecoaster's trackwork is so fricking good
💯 This was a combination of Dustin and Elite's FVD ++ track work! There were a lot of iterations going back and forth. Some parts of the final were hand built. The coaster forces are still realistic, however. Thanks for commenting!
@knottsberryfarm some of these concepts look pretty enticing.
Take notes Knott's!
This would absolutely require a parking garage to be built
And if they build one large enough, the park may be able to expand even more!
Not necessarily, more would help, they could finally use some of that corporate events area near soak city they could get another 1000+ spaces over there.
They have options.
Knott’s definitely needs to install this, especially after messing up with Zooma. Themeing and all
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Knott's had better take notice, anything less is going to be such a disappointment! These additions would bump Knott's up to a major destination park. Love the placement and quality of the attraction. The new entrance and themed areas are top notch. Couldn't be more impressed with your creativity!
Thanks a lot! We believe the same! This was over a year in the making!
Excellent all around
Glad you think so!
This is fantastic. Cedar Fair and Knotts should use this. This would also be one of the best themed B&M's.
Lots of great things happening here! I would love to see this constructed- though the total costs would exceed anything Cedar Fair has ever attempted. This would be Disney level money into the 9 figures (100+ million).
Some suggestions-
1. I don't think an entry plaza for the park where people will be walking past 20 or so gates to get to theirs is going to work. Most people aren't going to get to "gate 25" if gate 3 is open to them, especially give the tight space your render shows. However, that could be remedied by placing barriers that lead to groups of 5 gates at a time, where team members could be waiting to direct them to individual gates across a few sections.
2. No sound system would be possible in competition with 100 mph speeds. The wind noise is simply too great to justify having onboard music. Hollywood Dream and Himalayan Eagle both get quite muffled at their ~60 top speed. But I doubt Knott's would spring such something that superflous.
3. Timed fastlane is great in theory, but to ensure a 5 minute wait time and meet the demands of fastlane, it would certainly need to be single use. Especially given Knott's severe struggles with acheiving throughput on most of their rides.
4. The MAJOR issue I see here is the placement and angle of the lift hill. Residents have already forced the "shed" onto Ghostrider, and have also caused the shed on Pony Express due to noise complaints. I simply don't see a possibility for that to get past the city as an open air drop toward that end of the park. NIMBYism will render several elements on this ride completely unattainable- sadly.
Still, I love your proposal- excellent work!
Thanks for the feedback! I agree! Some adjustments may need to be made. It is good to just put everything out there and give it our all and subtract from there. I really hope that something similar can be made!
@@Escape_Designs excellent take, as for the lift hill orientation and placement, it's facing soak city and over 1000ft away from the closest nearby homes.
Ghostriders drop directly faces homes.
Pony Express is less than looft from a nearby home.
What this tells me is that knott's has a form of imminent domain as they were there 1st. If complaints come in, they add sound insulation.
Se thing happened at Canada's Wonderland with leviathan, where they complained about the classic B&M roar, sand was added in key areas.
As for this ride, they can add a half-pipe sound shield on the right/east side of the drop, much like Silver Starr & Incredicoaster at California Adventure.
I'm a huge advocate for when there's a will, there's a way
Lastly, the lift hill placement, every giga has TONS of space underneath the lift hill structure.
Leviathan has other rides underneath its hill.
Orion has que line switchbacks, and the layout traverses underneath the drop a bit.
Fury 325 is the worst... It's a junkyard basically, mixed with a returning track layout.
Gold Rush would use its space, 80% for existing back of house structures, and the other 20% for a returning track layout around the drop.
This is so good! Seeing all the progress you posted, its so nice to see it finally done!
Thank you so much! We are super happy with how it turned out! Hopefully this initiates something at Knott's!
The new entry area looks great! I'd be concerned about moving the traffic from in front of the entrance on Grand Ave to in front of the Marketplace on Grand Ave. I could foresee a big backup of cars trying to park/drop off along with guests trying to cross to get to either side of the market place.
Yeah, that circle for drop-off will be backed up for miles. The current setup could be improved but at least it has traffic moving in one direction.
I love the entrance plaza idea.
Or... Remove the turnaround drop off. Since grand has 2 lanes, but only one is needed in the new setup to provide access to the existing Beach Blvd tunnel, the right lane could be drop off, much like the current setup, allowing one lane to flow freely.
This video is absolutely incredible, please keep it up
We most definitely will! This is all part of phase 2 of Escape Designs! Phase 2 pushes us to make professional high quality products to prepare and train us for phase 3. Phase 3 is when we are actually doing work for the industry, and if we keep dreaming, phase 4 is when we design and build our own park! I have been working on this park for since childhood.
i wish you as much luck as i can
Thanks!
Amazing.
Thanks!
Wow this looks amazing i wish i had the skills to make my ideas for my home park in 3d
You can do it! Keep watching tutorials on UA-cam! That's how I learned! Should I start an Escape Tutorials channel?
@@Escape_Designs yes you should xD i would love to see my ideas become a "reality" in a 3d world
Alright! If I find time I might start posting techniques on how I make these projects! A lot of my friends at my college want me to do the same to help them with our architecture projects.
@@Escape_Designs i really hope you find time bc this is A MA ZING it looks like real life i can only get one block in blender xD
We all start somewhere!
I have never been to Knotts, and know very little of the place. But as a presentation itself this was amazing! Lots of credits to all of you who worked on this video. The only thing that left me with questions was the routing for the turnstiles. I recognize the constant flow that you would have, but wouldnt you be afraid of a lot of congestion at the entrance for the queue? People would like to see I guess and that is not a handy place to make a show stopper in my opinion. Curious what your thoughts are! Great work and I would absolutely love to see more of these kinds of video's!
Thanks a lot! The new entrance is experimental. It should work just like the attraction of a ride so it shouldn't be too bad. It is only really busy during peak hours. We will definitely be making videos like this after each mega project!
Cedar fair this is literally your blueprint make it happen.
Spread the word! Let's make it happen!
This is amazing, the concept is practically flawless
Thanks! What was your favorite part?
@@Escape_Designs My favorite part, or the thing I like most was the fact of how much detail you guys put into the project itself. Making sure there was room to keep knott’s charm for example, by protecting the ghost town. I also quite enjoyed how you took in the small details, like providing angles for photo opportunities. Overall though a fantastic watch through and through every part was my favorite.
Appreciate it! It's the small things that matter!
An AMAZING concept! I worked at KBF for 25yrs., sadly this will never be built. Cedar Fair owns KBF, Knott's Berry Farm is just a name for the park. So all decisions come from Cedar Fair and they will never put this must work/theming into a project. $$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!
Thanks! I thought Knott's does the themed design in house?
How did you develop that rollercoaster
We used lots of preliminary design layouts in No Limits 2 going back and forth with the client. The final track layout was made in FVD++. We exported the spline and animation data from No Limits 2 and rendered the animation with the scenery in Blender. Let me know if you have any other questions!
i don’t even wanna know how expensive this would be 🤣🤣
Very.
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Wow!! This presentation is wild! Great job! We hope to get to Knotts Berry Farm one day. CF (Now Six Flags due to merger) need you on their concept team. I would love to see you do a concept of my home park, Kings Dominion. Oh yeah I subbed
Thanks a lot! We have many more projects in the works! Appreciate the sub!
Great effort ... there are several different aspects of this project can be comments on
At the arrival scale, most will arrive from the north as few arrive from the south on Beach Blvd. This coaster will be visible from miles away including the Pixar Fun Wheel. This track can serve as a gateway arch ... would be possible to cross beach blvd to the east lot? Also express the landmark structure of Independence Hall and the Gateway Structures on both the north and southern ends. This will not only be a symbol of Knott's but a signature element for Buena Park and perhaps the catalyst for urban renewal along the south.
What was the inspiration for the design of the Mining Structures? It is a challenge to lean into a more period accurate solution for the architectural and the landscape elements. Historic verse contemporary? This attraction definitely wavers between human scale and skyscrapers. So the low to the ground theming lead to some interesting and iconic presentations. It may also be helpful to model the hotel. And consider additional rides and attractions in this expanded land and relocate the back lot collection of haunted houses. The backlot currently has storage the should not be within view. This new frontier would connect the Ghostrider and either Calico Rapids or the Bird Cage Theater, which requires a coordination with back of house services also. Sometimes you have to stop going down the rabbit hole.
This major addition could also help to celebrate the arrival from the Knott's Hotel and the southern lots.
Exciting visualization. Looking forward to future work!
This is definitely an elephant that can't be eaten in one sitting. Great job.
Theoretically, anything is really possible, it's just a matter of the local ordinance.
The main inspiration was Mystery Mine at Dollywood. What's great about this coaster? Is that the functionality of hiding the existing structures with rock wall facades makes the illusion that you're sunken into the ground in a mine village.
Thanks for the comment!
Need this to come to fruition ❤
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The only dampener to this idea that I could see, besides the financial cost, is that if the Six Flags and Cedar Fair merger goes through, the new company isn't going to want to build two gigas in the SoCal area. And that's assuming a giga is indeed what Magic Mountain is currently working on.
That being said, that only refers to the roller coaster itself. The concept presented about the new front entrance could, and still should, absolutely happen, and if Magic Mountain does get a Giga, that still leaves Knotts with a few other options they could go for to make the park more unique.
Like, say, a B&M Dive Machine, or any one of Vekoma's new models (especially the new Tilt Coaster). Or an S&S Axis coaster.
Agreed! Another thing to consider is that the park would possibly have to get shut down for an extensive period as the entrance and road will be replaced. Even the coaster will be traveling under Grand Ave. They could get around this by constructing parts at a time. Still, even if they find a way to keep the park open, it will be covered with construction walls all over the place. Maybe someone at Knott's has some other ideas to solve this.
The NIMBYs would never let a giga happen at Knott’s. Even Ghostrider pissed them off enough to cause expensive problems.
And now SFMM is facing potential problems with NIMBYs dictating what coasters they can build since those houses started going in behind the park.
It is a sad reality...
@@Escape_Designs I think they still have the entrance over by the Kingdom of the Dinosaurs/Voyage to the Iron Reef Dark Ride building (which I know is something else now but I forget the name), so they could use that as a temporary "main" entrance while renovating the front entrance.
That's an idea!
I love it but the problem is marketplace has Some buildings that are historical And cannot be removed... Great concept and I absolutely love it but that's the reality
Oh I didn't know that! Thanks for the info!
The buildings you're referring to is Virginia's Gift Shop, and the neighboring Mrs. Knott's Chicken Dinner Restaurant.
This ride does not interfere or interact with those buildings at all.
The building that was removed, currently houses Starbucks, Cable Car Funnel cakes, A volcom/California clothing store, Boba knott's drink store and the old annual pass processing center.
These stores all utilize the same building, and it's NOT historical at all.
In fact, the clothing store is currently being repurposed into a Wescom Credit Union Bank.... Strange huh.
@tahjo7 Actually all the buildings starting from the chicken dinner restaurant are historical too, leading to the Emporium that was once the farm Nursery. The plaque outside Chicken to Go and Farm Bakery explains that’s been open since 1934. Across Grand Ave the wooden building housing Snoopy Headquarters dates to the farm days too from the 1930s and was then a Basket Shop and Wood Shop. Then by Knott’s lagoon you have a barn that dates to those days as well (and oc the chapel that was relocated there when Silver Bullet was built). The Cable Car Kitchen building has been there since 1955. (Inside you’ll see a pictures of the cable cars that once whisked guests from the parking lot to the park entrance.) Whether that particular building is worth preserving or not I suppose is debatable. Certainly the Marketplace is loaded with history. (I still think it’s sad half of it closed in 1997 when Ghostrider was built on that land, but Ghostrider is a worthy replacement. And if you look down from the coaster you’ll see some wooden shacks still standing from that part down there).
@tahjo7 Seeing as that you ignored my message, I take it you’re one of those people who can never stand to be corrected about anything.
You did this in blender???? This is amazing!
Yup! All in Blender! Even the top down diagram view is Blender. Thanks!
Did you say 552ft drop by accident?
Yes. My mistake.
they could do all of this but they still wouldnt be able to fix the pink fairy projection on the calico candy mountain during halloween 💀 🧚
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A Bam Giga Coaster Coming to knotts berry farm in 2028 Opening date.
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What does the projected cost look like and how long would this undertaking take? It's a great concept with not much to view negatively, I foresee some minor issues with hyper crowds but nothing that would present any real snags under normal operation.
I do think the coaster is a bit too long, but given the Park's competition withing a two hour drive, it would a powerful draw for tourism revenue. The aesthetics are gorgeous! It would pique Disney and Universals attention as it's on par with their presentation and remind them they arent the only dogs in the yard.
I commend your team for their attention to detail and thoughtful presentation; this was beautifully executed. It would be a dream come true to see this come to fruition. Bravo!
Thanks for your comment! It is estimated to be over 100 million for everything. Not sure exactly. It is a massive project with a lot going on!
Guests will not have to wait longer than 5 minutes to ride if they purchase fast lane... oh if only knott's operations would allow that dream to be a reality
We think this will be game changing if they can pull it off! It could be an introduction to the virtual queue system for the park which allows for less time standing in line.
The operations at Knott’s are such garbage they couldn’t guarantee five-minute waits even if there were no lines at all.
Well that is something for the park to work out. We recommend virtual lines so you can enjoy the park and not stand in line. How do you feel about that system?
What about the existing calico
I haven’t been to Knott’s in over a decade since it doesn’t have the immersion of Disney/Universal nor does it have the quantity of thrill rides that Magic Mountain does, so I’ve had no reason to return.
An addition of this magnitude would easily bring me back.
It's the best of both worlds!
You are incorrect about Knott’s.
@@albertjimeno5315 Not really. Knott’s doesn’t have enough to keep me entertained for the full day.
@JGuy97 That’s fair but I refer to the immersion level
@@albertjimeno5315 I don’t think that’s that great, either. It just doesn’t have the budget of some of the other theme parks in the area.
I know this was an unbelievable task , but could you possibly make a video like this for Universal Studios Hollywood? I feel like that Park could double in size if they use their land Intelligently
For sure! I am actually working on a project for Universal Hollywood where I will be doing a similar presentation like this project. It is for Atrocicoaster, a Velocicoaster inspired land and coaster in the plot of land behind the River Adventure.
I really hope they don't modernize the front gate and market place like this
Why is that?
They could go with a different design language, but the overall idea of opening up the space to allow for better operations and guest enjoyment is just a natural evolution of the property, as it grows so does its needs to accommodate a growing and advancing society.
@Escape_Designs I don't think it's necessary the marketplace and front Gate are perfect how they are they fit in perfectly maybe they could use a simple paint job in the next few years but they don't need a modern redesign in my opinion that would be as bad as modernizing ghost town
@@Mrfettt respectfully speaking, I've spoken with a few managers and heads of security, which is in charge and operates the main gate experience.
They need space to operate safely, and efficiently, they've been desperately asking and looking for alternative designs in order to more efficiently operate and process the now 6 million+ guests that visits knott's on a yearly basis.
Its evolution & necessity.
So yes, perhaps keep the same design language, but opening up the space has been needed since they added the metal detectors over 10 years ago, and it's only gotten worse in terms of the need for more main entrance space.
Finished the video hoping this was all real 🥹❤️
😔 We can only hope!