The KGB Mosin Nagant
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In this video we showcase a very unique Mosin-Nagant that has a bit of mystery behind it. Rumored as the "KGB Mosin," the 1891/59 rifle may have been produced for clandestine missions or perhaps simply for commercial export. No one really knows for certain...very cool rifle nonetheless and a definite collector's item for Mosin buffs.
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The original story is these were arsenal-stored 1891/30s that were converted by Ighevsk factory to M1938 length to be issued to police and civilian organizations usage, also to free up the arsenal storage for SKS carbines that were coming into storage at that time. It was indeed not intended for any military purpose. Would not be surprising if they were also sent to satellite states.
Funny story is that we had Mosins in the school (soviet schools had guns and gun range in the basement sometimes), and these were most likely the models. I remember there was no bayonet on it.
+RuBear USA Чего только не выдумают. В 1959г. винтовки со сладов укоротили для охраны гражданских организаций, в итоге 1891/59. КГБ делать не хер, как старые винтовки на вооружение брать :)
Когда я учился, Мосинок уже не было.
КАРЛОС Я именно это и написал - у меня в школе они еще были, но это был Питер...
MortifiedDumplin That used the be the case before 1990s - we had civil defense as part of school education, tactics, firearm shooting and grenade throwing. They removed all of those classes in early 90s so younger generations don't have that knowledge.
+MortifiedDumplin It's not completely that way + things are a bit different now. Even back in the days it was more like "just give them the basics in case of ground war". Teenagers were taught to shoot rifles (mosins, SKS, I think some had deactivated AKs) also, sometimes, through grenades and use gasmasks+ basic physical training, so it was basically an enhanced PT lesson. Apart from this if you wanted a gun for personal use ("hunting")- you had to get a license and register it. And the number of gun owners today compared to Soviet times increased (though the number of ppl who know at least the basics decreased, cause there are no Civil defence lessons mentioned above now)
OTOH, in US the kids used to bring their own guns to school for shooting practice. If this happened today it would be alike a national disaster (pun intended).
Hickok45 and IraqVeteran need to do a collab video.
Yes that would be amazing
Agreed!
For reals!
I never cared much about the carbine versions before, but actually seeing one makes me want one now. That one in particular does have a nice look to it.
Most WW2 standard rifles were bolt-action carbines! The Germans conquered Europe with these rifles and the Japanese used two types of full length rifles, not carbines, to conquer Asia. Do not lose sight of this fact.
Great video. I love the Mosin and have had many over the years. The 91/59 has always been my favorite due to accuracy and quality. No one I've ever talked to knew much about them. This is the most interesting information i've heard of about the 59. Thanks for the video I really enjoyed it and your interest in it as well. Thanks
I'm from the UK and really enjoy your videos. Educational and fun what's not to like! If I ever find myself in Georgia I will have to pop in and say hello. After seeing the 3 guns video I am quite jealous that we don't have the options you guys have for sporting competition over here it would make a very satisfying hobby.
This has nothing to do with KGB. it's a version made by Izhevsk in 1959 for security guard services and sport organisations. By that time this rifle was out of government service.
A survivor It was probably stripped and sent out to other countries and pro Soviet groups by the Goverment
+A survivor it wasn't doctored, just made in no rush, long after ww2 in a better production culture.
Bulgaria cut these, maybe 100k units. Izhevsk had nothing to do with the 91/59 in 1959.
I love the Mosin videos, man. My 91/30 was my first firearm and it's still the one I go to when I'm dreaming at night.
Love the videos guys! Keep up the great work! I find myself just watching you guys, Hickock45, Sootch00, and NuttinFancy.You guys rock, keep up the good work. God bless!!!
Years ago in the 80's Mosin Nagant Rifles were $80.00 and a 440 tin was $90.00 dollars out the door !!! You could shoot all day long and share it with your friends and never care about running out of ammo :D Today everyone's choice for a great time :))) Thumbs up !!!!
+wackattack180 Those were the prices back in the early 2000s. I remember my dad looking at mosins at BIg5 for $80. Cans are about $150 today.
+wackattack180 A spam can of 7.62R has doubled in price since last year anyway.
ThatXoneXguy Lucky
+The Exile I was buying spam for $95 each or a crate for $180 just 1 year ago. Now the spam is gone! At a show last month I could only find 2 spam for $180 each. So that is 2X. Is that what ya'll are seeing? (hard to find and $180 pre spam when you can find it)
wackattack180 I remember being in middle school, just before Sandy Hook, seeing Mosin 91/30s for $79 all the time in Big 5 catalogues. Asked my parents to get me one numerous times when they were cheap because I knew the price would rise. They didn’t and I ended up getting one at age 18 for $275 and now they’re going for even more.
Cool video. I went to the range today and they had 2 of these. I bought one immediately. I have been collecting Mosins for years and this was the first time I saw the M91/59 rifle. Mine in a 1942 in really nice condition. Im going back to the range next week to fire it. One thing I noticed and checked it has a 4 lb trigger pull. A huge difference from the 91/30's
Love the vids,man cans,info vids , and grips. Big fan of the Mosin. keep up the great work,been watching for years
What's with all the mosin videos lately nutn, hickok, and now eric all in 24 hours. I can't be the only one who noticed this
+Ilir L. Because reasons.
+Ilir L. Everyone needs a nugget in their life, that's why.
It's a conspiracy.
+Ilir L. I am guessing because TFB put out a video bashing the Mosin basically. pretty much saying its only good thing about is that its cheap.
+Ilir L. Fulfilling the Russian agenda.
Very smooth action on this example's bolt. Much less notchy and ratchety than I've seen on most other Mosins. Well done, Eric!
Been awhile since I've viewed the channel, but I really enjoyed this video. I'll have to be on the lookout for one of these Mosin's. it's been a couple years since I've added one to the collection.
I would love to get my hands on one of them eventually. Awesome video Eric.
I refinished my 91/30 with Lindseed and smoothed the bolt and the rifle "Rocks".
Very pleased with it. Great rifle for the price. And a shoulder buster too!
Loved the video Eric! I didnt realize it was a sawed downed 30! I think I actuallt saw one in a pawn shop and giving the price he didnt know what he had either. But I was in the middle of my 30 rebuild and I had my 44 for awhile and didnt need just another plain mosin. Kicking my self in the ass now!!!!!!!!!!!!
ERIC thanks for giving your rear sight settings. would like to see more of this info included in your great videos
Really enjoy your MilSurp video's.... glad you built this one.
8 years later. Still a great vid, and a great rifle. Thank's for posting
i always injoy your mosin videos. very informative. thanks!
I have several k98s cut up into some awesome deer rifle . The last one I chambered to 65/55 . Now Eric has got me wanting to mod one of these Ruskies machines .
I got a m9130 for my 16th birthday after watching all your vidoes of these awesome rifles, still watching years later!
Man, I wish I could go back 15 years ago when the C&R market was good. They had these for $99.00 at a local shop. Damn Obama.
you mean Bush ? mosin's increased by almost 150%under his administration.
Nick Graham I meant Obama. He severely restricted and banned some imports.
+Nick Graham To be fair Obama put the sanctions on Russia. Not bush.
+GratefulSledHead He didn't ban the import of mosins they are just running out. The price on each unit is based on Russia charges. They charge as much as we are willing to pay.
+GratefulSledHead I used to think the same until I looked it up for myself. What he banned was the import of Saiga and Kalashnikov products, as well as 5.45 ammunition. The law didnt explicitly ban Mosins, unless I missed something. Although in 2008 you could still find them on sale at Big 5 for $100. I have an old ad to prove it.
I think the sad fact is they havent been made in 70 years, demand has gone up while supply is the same. There just arent many more to import. Same thing happened to Nagant revolvers. You used to be able to get them for $99. Good luck finding one under 250 bucks now!
I have a new england westinghouse mosin from 1915,still shoots accurately with a questionable bore,but is a tack driver with mil surp silver tip,love it😊
this would be a great addition to my carbine Mosin collection. great video
Impressive shooting with a shorty Mosin. Really enjoy the channel brother
Kudos for the video on the 91/59 I've had mine for 15 years and never seen a video on it .
Love the mil surplus vids. I love the Mosins myself.
That was a really fun video to watch Eric. I love watching these old guns and going back into time with you. Part of shooting will always be fantasy, especially for the civilian shooter, and it's cool to see these weapons and think about the different stories it would tell. Hickock does the same thing. He says that weapons shouldn't be given personalities because it helps the "anti-gunners" (which I don't like to use as a term because it creates division, and we have too much of that as it is). I don't really wade into the politics of the gun stuff in this country, I just buy my shit, shoot my shit, and keep to myself. Personally, I love to give inanimate objects personalty and to respect and admire an objects life and purpose. We all have a beginning, a middle, and an end and guns are just another thing that (like us and other organic creatures) follows that circle of life. Thanks for your videos and knowledge, Eric!
This was a very interesting one; thanks IV888
Love your video. My M44 is very fun to shoot. I've always wanted to cut a 91/30 down to 16"
Love the Mosins!! Great viddeo!
Most believe these were border guard and police rifles. People who didn't need an SKS or AK47s. Also the idea of the Soviet Union being a 'Worker's Paradise' wouldn't hold any water if people didn't have some work to do. This was part of the reason of keeping the refurb programs on the Mosins going into the 70's.
That would be like a 1990's era Navy SEAL using an M1 Garand. By 1959 the AK47 and SKS was already around in significant enough number and this way out dated rifle would NOT have been used by any special ops besides the 91/30 PU. Those guys would get the fancy stuff.
The "lack" of markings was just because the Soviets refinished them. So many of the markings were sanded or ground off simply because the guys doing it either didn't care or didn't know any better. I've seen 91/59s with so many markings it would make a beginning collector's head spin.
I have a 91/30 that was "scrubbed" and it is BLANK. Only thing is a new serial they stamped on. When Ivan didn't want you to know something he didn't half ass it.
THESE ARE NOT KGB MOSIN NAGANTS.
+Targetpopper I agree. These were kept as backup firearms for our equivalent of National Guard/reserve units.
Another possibility of scrubbed markings is actually a bit more nefarious. During the Cold War, both the USA and USSR were engaged in proxy wars. Many conflicts they were arming a certain side but didnt want the weapons to be traced back if they were captured. The Russians sent many of these 'clean' Mosins to Vietnam for example.
+sergeantbigmac oh like the US buying chinese aks for the mujahadeen in Afghanistan and m16s from iran. but i dont think US was fooling anyone with the stinger missiles.
they probably intended for this rifle to be give to allied countries that share the soviet common interest. they would airdrop supplies and weapons to help them fight if need be. this rifle seems like that was its intent and not for a "black ops" guy to use. those guys get the best and newest rifles or any gun they desire to get the job done.
and keep in mind that the KGB secretly did do supply drops to allied commies. they did so in Vietnam. the KGB helped get Russian guns into the hands of the North Vietnamese to fight against Americans. these supply and weapon drops were done in secrecy to uphold the whole idea of plausible deniability. The KGB is an excellent group to have do things in secret because secrecy is their specialty.
Targetpopper What the fuck are you even talking about "workers paradise wouldn't hold any water if people didn't have to work for it" What the fuck are you saying?
This is my dream mosin, if I could ever find one for a good price..which I haven't been able to do lately. Action of the '91, punch of the 54R, handling of a carbine. Just seems like such a fun gun to shoot for fun. I like these over the 44s. Just better fit and finish all around.
Great vid. Always love your vids. I started watching you when i bought my first 91/30; i was searching for a how to remove cosmoline vid.
I'd like to recommend a vid on how to use the iron sights on those old Russian rifles. I have a basic idea but would like a "how to" vid if you fellas could.
God Bless You daily.
Enjoyed seeing this particular Mosin.
Great Video! Thanks Much!
You are the best advocate for this hobby.
Great video. Keep posting more military surplus videos.
This vid makes me miss my Romanian 55. another very interesting part of the m44s history, and Mosin in general. only made them for two years.
AMAZING camera work Chad. Mind if i ask what you camera& lens combo you used to shoot Eric at the bench?
Gotta love the Mosin man!!!
Dammit Eric!!!..You & NuttinFancy Have Made Me Really Want To Have 1 of These!..
I'll Call IT My Bucket List!. Thanks For The Video!.. God Bless.
@5:40 the fire finally went out,awesome bro.
great review man
Eric, Great video. I had to stop and pull out my Mosin to check it out, it's been so long since I bought it couldn't remember the model. What I found is I have the M44 with the bayonet, I know some of the bayonet's were removed depending on the state regulations. Perhaps you can do a video detailing the different models.
Another beautiful Mosin!
Really enjoying the channel lately…
I had one, good shooter too, they are 91/30 cut down. Different from a Carbine in that a 44 carbine has a barrel that is made short, these are the long barrel cut short. Makes a good shooter
I can imagine this thing grouping nicely with a scope. Sweet little Mosin.
I was getting a Mosin itch then everybody started to upload Mosin vids! it's a dream come true! :D
Cool rifle, I just bought a 1891/59 similar to this one a little over a week ago :)
Love the videos keep up the amazing work! also quick question for Moss Pawn, do you guys ship firearms to FFL dealers? And do you ship to Delaware by any chance? Third question is do you guys have or have you ever had any Lee Enfield rifles in the store ?
Great Video...never seen this model. Never met a Mosin I didn't like!
Nice episode thanks.
thanks for making this video :)
Mosin's are such awesome little rifles. Good price too.
Iraqveteran8888 likes the mosin so much, they even used the PU sniper version as their logo!
Impressive. I love my gun fix before I go to work.
man, that 7.62x51r is screaming toward that 450 yard gong, pretty cool!
I just this past weekend purchased a rifle nearly identical to this one. My stock is very close to this one, barrel is the same length, however mine has the USSR stamp on it on two locations. There’s a date of 1943 stamped on it, serial numbers all match, original sling is dated 1959 with the USSR stamp next to the date. My sights don’t look like the ones on this rifle, it’s not been milled down. Just stops at 10. Action is remarkably smooth and it’s a heavy sucker. Not cheap either!
Where can we find your shirt in this video?! Love it! And loved the video! Great shooting at 450 yds. Thanks!
Love your channel! Can you please do videos on the svt 40.
I would love to see you guys this with an Eddystone M1917 30.06 ... I have one and it really is a excellent shooter, a soldier with one of those would've been someone to be fearfull of, that's for sure !
thanks for making this video
I got a 44 and love it. They look about the same size.
that was pretty informative...didnt know all that and for a carbine its pretty accurate.
I’m glad someone else shares a liking in these rifles
Lots of mosin videos recently
91/59 is the best . Very good shooter and much nicer to handle. Kicks a lil' bit more, but so what, it screams cool. Trigger spring broke one day out shooting. Thank's to Eric's video, I was able to replace the trigger spring and get it nice and crisp.
GPH not better than the Finnish M28-30.
91/59 compared to m44?
Nearly same kick and accurate?
Cool video.
Talking about old rifles, can you guys do a video talking the about the FN FAL?
Thanks for taking the time to make the video! Does your PUOLUSTUSLIATOS marked rifle have the 'straight' (no pistol grip) stock. My 1941 date does. Also have a 'stock disc' M-39 and all three years of SKY's (with matching date stock cartouche).
I've accumulated Finn military rifles since you could have bought a "pick up load" of Finn M-91's for $35/ea. and $75 was the "going" price for a clean M-39. Don't really care to own so called military rifles that never could have seen battle! So no 'sneaks', but I did wind up with a 'B' barrel.
Do have a triangle-1 marked 91-30 and the other standard Rusky M-N's for 'type". It's my understanding that the Russian M-N's have been a "drug on the market" since the end of WW!! You're welcome to your opinion -- but I've been accumulating milsurps' for 50+ years.
that's a damn smooth bolt i tell ya
I love my Mosin. I shoot in the UK. Great fun to shoot and versatile calibre.
Hi Bro, I have a 91/30 and an M44 , I noticed when I first shot my M44 it shot to the left quite noticeably. I did some research on the web and some say that they were adjusted to shoot off to the left to compensate for the bayonet. I would be inclined to believe you rather than some of the bs on the web. Can you advise if this is true or not, I bet some of the other guys are wondering as well, thank you for your Service, your Information, you Great Videos and I wish you well. Many Thanks,
My first rifle pick it up a year ago for $260.00 out the door at a local gun shop. Battle sights 0/300 yards right on, 400 yards hold a little higher, 550 yards a little tricky but can be done buy the fifth round. I do my shooting open handed and standing just fun that way. It's true about the screws, I've tried thread tape and blue thread lock with no luck, after about 20 rounds their starting to back out.
91/59 was the first rifle I ever bought. I ended up selling it to a friend because I had no local ranges where I could shoot it. I really miss it.
Can you do an updated vid on smoothing up the bolt on these please thanks brother.
You near Griffin?
I've got one of these rifles, it's a great little rifle with a big muzzle flash
I just picked up a 91/59.... such a cool rifle
An old guy at my local range had one of these. Good God was that thing loud and it shot a nice fireball. He even took it to Quantico abd shot it.
Great quality vid.
I have a m55 mosin wit a ATI stock and i love it.
That is the best looking nugget I have ever seen!
Hicock45's most recent Mosin video had similar results on cinder blocks as yours on watermelons, ironically!. It would initially just punch thru the cinder block, rather than bust it up like the 7.62x39 round would.
Never knew that there was a 91/59... thanks for sharing, now where do I get one?
I went to a gun show today in Georgia(supposedly the largest in the state) looking for a 9130. There were literally 3 full length ones there and I got mine for 200. There were probably 5 carbines there all for 330 and up. It seems the supply is drying up. I also got a can of surplus ammo and had a hell of a time trying to open it without the can opener.
Was it at the Civic Center? I'm disappointed that my doc didn't tell me when the next gun show was. Lol.
Just realized you keep both eyes open when shooting long range...I was never taught the technique growing up and really need to look into it
its the best way to shoot, with two eyes your sight picture is twice as good.
love the sound of a mosin
IMHO...What you have there is a weapon that was "Cleaned". Meaning that the numbers were ground off by the "Purchasing Country . This was a pretty common practice with countries wishing not to be identified with the USSR.
After WWII, the same thing was done to Nazi marked Mausers. I have a pair of K98's, one still retaining the Nazi War Eagles, Etc., and one that has been cleaned of all offensive markings. Both are excellent weapons.
not bad as for shorty im live in belarus and here this short mosin cost 300 usd and sniper version is about 500 usd for 1942 but im think that Molot factory now producing mosin new bild and in my view its better for accuracy than gun that was in battle and then spend a half of century in storage Крутой канал респект
That looks like it would be a fantastic truck rifle. Lightweight, compact, and accurate. Id have a heavy leather scabbard made for it. Thats a great, go anywhere rifle. Robust and reliable.
Nice rifle, and shooting. :)
One reason why they're going through the watermelon is that rounds can actually slow down if the barrel is to long. Perhaps the shorter version is a better length for velocity? That would be interesting to see.
M-1 Garand qualification course went out to 500 yards on irons. Target was pretty big, though.
Did this thing come that clean or did you guys have to clean it up? Looks like great action on that bolt!
Hey, IV8888 My belief is it was use for a covert sniper rifle. Bolt action rifle is one of the most accurate action, and it is small enough to go unnoticed used by the KGB:-).
I always thought the square with the line through on the rear stock meant that the rifle was refurbished with mixed parts and put in to storage.
I love how 5mins in the fire is still burning