before opening the comments i closed my eyes and imagined the most generic comment that could possibly be here. the astounding and divine entropy of the universe delivered
I just redownloaded 4d toys yesterday to show a friend (we're both math grad students, and he said you "can't visualize" 4d - I wanted to show him this because it is the best tool I've used to help me understand 4d intuitively). So excited for these updates!
Not to promote drug use, but the overwhelming amount of anecdotal evidence that DMT allows people to perceive higher spatial dimensions is uncanny. The qualia research institute and the subjective effects index are just two examples of people trying to map these subjective experiences. It's easy to say that it's all just sensory distortion, but I think there's far more than meets the eye.
@@mega_micro it doesn't, and yet a cursory glance at the qualia research institutes work implies otherwise. Maybe consciousness and perception are not anything close to what we think they are. Maybe our consensus reality is just as much of a hallucination as any other subjective phenomena.
@@Kaishidow you are not 'owed' anything by this developer. You are not entitled to receive any sort of update on the games progression (unless you've donated money). If you don't want to pay to be a patron, then don't.
One thing I'd like to see is an expansion of the "2D slices of 3D shapes" examples. For example, if we take an octahedron in 3D and take sequential 2D slices of it vertex-first, we have a square that grows from a point to its maximum size and shrinks back to a point again, but a face-first slicing reveals a triangle that morphs into its own dual through a hexagonal path. Both of these "types" of octahedra can be seen in the 24-cell. I think that providing more 3D shapes to slice up in 2D would invite people to better understand why certain 3D slices of 4D shapes look the way they do.
I just wanted you to know that I care a lot about stuff like this. I loved getting an intuition for a dimension I'll never visit, but also actually being able to visit it. Know that if I can, and if I know I can, me and countless other math lovers will support you.
I remember seeing your booth at PAX East 2013. Are you ever going to release the Miegakure demo? It was really fun. I would gladly contribute to the patreon if I could get the demo.
@@mtbdesignworks *_utter_* unsurprising, believe me... Keep at it, M8. 👍🏾👍🏾 Actually, If you're still there I'm wondering... Gravity. It's still only going _one_ way, right?
This will be legit the first patreon I'll subscribe too. I've been looking forward to miegakure for so so long, glad to see it's still being worked on This 4D Stuff is truely inspiring for me thank you very much!
every year or so he does an update on it. it likely is not real nor ever going to be. he had a working demo 9 years ago, and even made several completely new and finished 4D games since then. its just not going to happen
@@mtbdesignworks but what exactly IS it that's taking so long? have you started over a few times or something? i apologize if i was rude but ive seen you post multiple updates like this over the years with vague descriptions like "development is going great". i think thats what you said last time i checked on your website in 2019 or 2020 or something. i must be silly or something but i really don't get it, unless you have a really busy job or procrastinate a lot
@@HueHanaejistla It is just a big game. There are over 200 levels and 8 or 9 main mechanics. All the mechanics required code that was very hard to write because of the 4D, way beyond what I've talked about. And even once you make the basic tech, to actually make it look good and not just shitty programmer art is a whole other story. Then there's this thing with games that even if they look done there are always tons of issues to make sure it actually works well and feels good.
I remember reading miegakure is coming up in a few months. It's been more than a few years. It would be nice to hear about what's going on once in a while
Awesome!!! :) I'm eagerly waiting for miegakure :D keep it up! Plus all the extra features you have added to 4D Toys are really nice :) I once wrote you a mail about having multiple slice views at once but switching is also not bad, however seeing two perspectives at once while playing with the objects could also be fun :D Anyways I hope you have fun building all that stuff and seeing the interactions from the community :D When Miegakure comes out I will insta buy it! :D Cheers!
As a Math and Art lover and curios being I thank you for creating this cool program and video from the bottom of my heart - it is very stimulating to the brain in a wonderful way I can not describe in words! almost like magic... THANK YOU!
Seeing it duplicated and in the same position whilst being rotated by the slice @ once may show it more Simultaneous Cross Section (Meaning it's somehow more see-thru) Example: The ball showing all's of it's resizing spikes eventually passes through the 3 dimensional physical wall, and left
Can the 3D slice be rotated in a way that you can see the X, Z and W all at the same time, but the slider become Y? So that you don't see the vertical dimension, effectively the same as laying the 2D plane flat on the ground in a 3D world.
Please please please can we have the miegakure release soon? I've been clamoring over it since I was still a kid and I'm almost 30 now lol. Regular life stuff sucks when it gets in the way of pure genius. ❤ - an impatient fan
Is it possible to set up the VR so that, say, one eye is looking at X and Y, with Z being the flattened depth, and the other is looking at Z and Y, with W being the flattened depth? I'm sure it would be headache inducing, but it'd be so cool
Very cool. Now, I have a question. In 2D seen from the side, a 1-wheeled vehicle must lean in order to accelerate. A 2-wheeled vehicle like a bike must not. But in 3D the bike has to lean in order to turn, which is a form of acceleration. Does that mean that a 3- or 4-wheeled vehicle, like a car, will have to lean in order to accelerate or turn in a 4D world? A 1-wheeled vehicle has a wheel base that is a point. A bike has a wheel base that is a line. A car has a wheel base that is a plane. And it doesn’t have to lean in 3D to move. So it seems you would need a volumetric wheel base (like a cube) in 4D to avoid having to lean to turn. Edit2: I guess what I’m saying is that we need 3D and 4D cars with wheel physics to experiment with these things. Does the 4D car need 4D wheels or is it fine with regular 3D wheels? Kinda like how a bike has 2D wheels in a 3D world. Kind of…
The new update appears to cause significant lag on my iPad (Air 4th gen, running 16.3.1) when I tap on a given scene's preview and it starts to animate. This was not present in the previous version. I haven't found any other issues with the newest update so far, though. (I should ask, though: is the fact that you can't rotate the screen 180 degrees intended? It worked a few updates ago, but the orientation now seems to be locked in place such that the charge port is to the right.)
Ah ok, I will look into the slowdown, sorry! Rotating the screen 180 degrees was hurting my head trying to make the accelerometer work in both case, and I think it's a pain to always have to lock orientation anyway. But yeah, it's a tradeoff...
@@mtbdesignworks A couple of other things I should probably point out as well: for the 2D figure eight intersection demonstration, face projection always displays the intersection as offset even if the offset is turned off. This doesn't happen for wireframe projection. Also, the great icosahedral 120-cell looks like it might be missing a few faces (this will take a bit of close inspection but you might eventually see some isolated pentagrams or incomplete star polyhedra as vertex figures).
Hey, I was just going to try this update on mobile, I updated the game and saw all of the new 4D toys, but I couldn’t rotate the plane or enable the 2D face projection. I’m pretty sure there were a couple other buttons missing too.
Any chance your company may do a collaboration with the company behind the atomontage engine to create a 4D video game using their graphics rendering technology?
just downloaded 4D Toys... the launch experience needs some love, scrolling the cartoons is a bit annoying. also, the screen disappears if I click anywhere outside of it - not an ideal interaction. It would be cool to be able to see a different projection on different monitors
@@mtbdesignworks I'm pretty sure they're asking for borderless full screen mode. When in full screen, the window minimizes when you click outside of it. (Unless, of course, you willingly live through the pain of having only one monitor.) Actually, I just confirmed the window also disappears in windowed mode when you click outside it.
@@mtbdesignworks No. The window minimizes when you click outside it. It has nothing to do with other open windows. This occurs in fullscreen mode, and I just figured out that it only occurs in windowed mode when the resolution is set to Auto.
Did stuff get removed in this update? I distinctly remember there being a level that featured a spherinder in the section with all the cylinder variations, but it doesn't seem to be there anymore.
I think this is the first time I heard you say Miegakure out loud. I thought it was pronounced mi-ga-cure, but if I understood you correctly it was more like mi-ga-cue-ré.
the game is cool i bought it about a month ago cant play it again since the first time i played it because when i played it again the next day it just crashed no warnings it just silently quit do you know anything about this bug? i payed for this please fix
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And when the universe needed him the most, he returned
Same
before opening the comments i closed my eyes and imagined the most generic comment that could possibly be here. the astounding and divine entropy of the universe delivered
@@MookalH lol fr bro truly a comment moment of all time ong
😂😂 word!
overused commend, get more originality
I just redownloaded 4d toys yesterday to show a friend (we're both math grad students, and he said you "can't visualize" 4d - I wanted to show him this because it is the best tool I've used to help me understand 4d intuitively). So excited for these updates!
The most natural way of displaying 4D is using time as 3rd camera dimension but it may be very confusing.
We can visualize 4D with this 3D slice, but we cannot see the same things the 4D beings would see, as our retinas send only a 2D image to the brain.
Not to promote drug use, but the overwhelming amount of anecdotal evidence that DMT allows people to perceive higher spatial dimensions is uncanny.
The qualia research institute and the subjective effects index are just two examples of people trying to map these subjective experiences.
It's easy to say that it's all just sensory distortion, but I think there's far more than meets the eye.
@@nellkellino-miller7673 A thing that changes how the organism works lets it detect other dimensions? How does that make any sense?
@@mega_micro it doesn't, and yet a cursory glance at the qualia research institutes work implies otherwise. Maybe consciousness and perception are not anything close to what we think they are. Maybe our consensus reality is just as much of a hallucination as any other subjective phenomena.
Miegakure development is progressing nicely! I’ve been giving updates and previews on Patreon: www.patreon.com/marctenbosch
@@Kaishidowcalm down dude these guys can ask for money if they want, they're doing something cool
The MERE mention of Miegakure makes me very, very happy
@@Kaishidow i would like to see you working for how many years and NOT expect any form of payment
@@Kaishidow you are not 'owed' anything by this developer. You are not entitled to receive any sort of update on the games progression (unless you've donated money).
If you don't want to pay to be a patron, then don't.
Will be plot?
One thing I'd like to see is an expansion of the "2D slices of 3D shapes" examples. For example, if we take an octahedron in 3D and take sequential 2D slices of it vertex-first, we have a square that grows from a point to its maximum size and shrinks back to a point again, but a face-first slicing reveals a triangle that morphs into its own dual through a hexagonal path. Both of these "types" of octahedra can be seen in the 24-cell. I think that providing more 3D shapes to slice up in 2D would invite people to better understand why certain 3D slices of 4D shapes look the way they do.
That's a good idea!
Wasn't expecting to see this in my notifications. What a pleasant surprise! I'm glad you're still doing your thing!
Exactly
0:48 I almost expected that thing to warp when you rolled it.
I just wanted you to know that I care a lot about stuff like this. I loved getting an intuition for a dimension I'll never visit, but also actually being able to visit it.
Know that if I can, and if I know I can, me and countless other math lovers will support you.
I remember seeing your booth at PAX East 2013. Are you ever going to release the Miegakure demo? It was really fun. I would gladly contribute to the patreon if I could get the demo.
Seconded
Coding 4d collisions and physics must be painful but it gives really cool results
It is indeed very painful
@@mtbdesignworks
*_utter_* unsurprising, believe me...
Keep at it, M8. 👍🏾👍🏾
Actually, If you're still there I'm wondering...
Gravity. It's still only going _one_ way, right?
This will be legit the first patreon I'll subscribe too.
I've been looking forward to miegakure for so so long, glad to see it's still being worked on
This 4D Stuff is truely inspiring for me thank you very much!
every year or so he does an update on it. it likely is not real nor ever going to be. he had a working demo 9 years ago, and even made several completely new and finished 4D games since then. its just not going to happen
@@HueHanaejistla Honestly it would be insane *not* to finish it at this point.
@@mtbdesignworks but what exactly IS it that's taking so long? have you started over a few times or something? i apologize if i was rude but ive seen you post multiple updates like this over the years with vague descriptions like "development is going great". i think thats what you said last time i checked on your website in 2019 or 2020 or something. i must be silly or something but i really don't get it, unless you have a really busy job or procrastinate a lot
@@HueHanaejistla It is just a big game. There are over 200 levels and 8 or 9 main mechanics. All the mechanics required code that was very hard to write because of the 4D, way beyond what I've talked about. And even once you make the basic tech, to actually make it look good and not just shitty programmer art is a whole other story. Then there's this thing with games that even if they look done there are always tons of issues to make sure it actually works well and feels good.
@@marctenbosch oh that explains it better, thanks
HE'S BAAAAAACK! I believe you are the one who got me into 4D, and now you are at it again!
hey look minecraft diverge guy hello
Well that came out of nowhere
Great additions
One thing i could suggest is: Big empty sandbox square, with a menu to summon anything you want
Yes, probably next update or something
@@mtbdesignworkstake your time, it will be worth the wait!
I remember reading miegakure is coming up in a few months. It's been more than a few years. It would be nice to hear about what's going on once in a while
Suggestion: add the Clifford torus, the 4 dimensional isometric embedding of the 2-torus with zero Gaussian curvature at every point.
Yes I got 4D toys. I may not spend a ton of time on it but I love it sooo much. Thank you for making it exist!
Glad you enjoy it!
I just bought the app, thank you for finally fulfilling my dream of visualising the spatial transitions between 3D and 4d. 🎉
that was your dream?
E3 is looking great this year!
0:00 Intro
0:10 Star Polychora
0:26 Gyrochora
0:48 Ability to Export for 3D Printing
0:51 Anti-Gravity
1:03 Line Projections
1:23 Face Projections
1:40 Wireframe "Davinci" Shapes
2:01 New Klein bottle scenes
2:17 120 cell and sphere
2:20 Constant Torque Tesseract
2:34 Double Rotations
2:47 Marble Paths
3:17 Auto-Follow
3:28 Rotating 3d slice in 4d
4:47 4D toys/Miegakure
5:05 Patreon
Protect this man at all costs
I'm always happy to see news on the 4D stuff you're working on. Even after all these years, I'm still excited to one day play Miegakure.
nice that you're still working on it. I really liked the toy box but it was lacking some features which you have now added
After all these years I'm following you and your projects you still amaze me. Keep up the good work!
He's BACK
Awesome!!! :) I'm eagerly waiting for miegakure :D keep it up! Plus all the extra features you have added to 4D Toys are really nice :) I once wrote you a mail about having multiple slice views at once but switching is also not bad, however seeing two perspectives at once while playing with the objects could also be fun :D Anyways I hope you have fun building all that stuff and seeing the interactions from the community :D When Miegakure comes out I will insta buy it! :D Cheers!
That's one of of the only things left, yeah.
As a Math and Art lover and curios being I thank you for creating this cool program and video from the bottom of my heart - it is very stimulating to the brain in a wonderful way I can not describe in words! almost like magic... THANK YOU!
We want Miegakure 😁
It's coming! Working hard on it every day!
@@mtbdesignworks That's nice 😊 Thank you 🤩
This has to have solved some unknown math problem somewhere
yes, sort of: ua-cam.com/video/JpxZQxXxMWY/v-deo.html
Amazing! What a good occasion to reinstall 4D Toys and play with them once more!
thank you for continuing to update 4d toys. i’ll be buying it for my iphone xr later this year. :)
The most surprising this from this video is that Miegakure is still alive! :D
Seeing it duplicated and in the same position whilst being rotated by the slice @ once may show it more
Simultaneous Cross Section
(Meaning it's somehow more see-thru)
Example: The ball showing all's of it's resizing spikes eventually passes through the 3 dimensional physical wall, and left
o thank goodness i wasn't sure if the project had died, so glad too see stuff happening, been eyeing this game for soo long.
Not me rewinding the video every two sentences thinking I could understand
I really hope for 4d adventure video games
Check out Miegakure (in development) on this channel.
This is so magical
Funny how out of the blue i decided to look Miegakure up, and find you uploaded 3 days ago
The best update 10 of the 10
Oh, could you maybe add a 3D anaglyph shader, for folks who happen to have old-school 3D glasses?
Dunno, seems like it might be interesting.
This game would be nice in VR
It is on Steam VR!
I didn’t know it was still being updated at all so when I saw on steam there was an update I pleasantly surprised
I want that app because that's so satisfying
Although I haven't played this myself, I love these videos and have advertised it for you.
Looking cool as always! 😊
This is Soooooo Coooool!😮😮😮😮
I think it would be interesting to allow the user to switch the vertical dimension as well, but then again that might mess with the interface
Can the 3D slice be rotated in a way that you can see the X, Z and W all at the same time, but the slider become Y? So that you don't see the vertical dimension, effectively the same as laying the 2D plane flat on the ground in a 3D world.
My friend went on a hunger strike waiting for Miegakure. He broke the hunger strike but still died of old age
Please please please can we have the miegakure release soon? I've been clamoring over it since I was still a kid and I'm almost 30 now lol. Regular life stuff sucks when it gets in the way of pure genius.
❤ - an impatient fan
I feel cooler to be inside the comments of this video
Idea:add the Johnson solids.I know there’s many of them.but it might take a few minutes silence they are all 3d
Is it possible to set up the VR so that, say, one eye is looking at X and Y, with Z being the flattened depth, and the other is looking at Z and Y, with W being the flattened depth?
I'm sure it would be headache inducing, but it'd be so cool
Lots of cool stuff. Very impressive
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Really good video as always.
Did you also consider doing a projection method (same way 3d is rendered to your computer screen) too?
Very cool. Now, I have a question. In 2D seen from the side, a 1-wheeled vehicle must lean in order to accelerate. A 2-wheeled vehicle like a bike must not. But in 3D the bike has to lean in order to turn, which is a form of acceleration.
Does that mean that a 3- or 4-wheeled vehicle, like a car, will have to lean in order to accelerate or turn in a 4D world?
A 1-wheeled vehicle has a wheel base that is a point. A bike has a wheel base that is a line. A car has a wheel base that is a plane. And it doesn’t have to lean in 3D to move. So it seems you would need a volumetric wheel base (like a cube) in 4D to avoid having to lean to turn.
Edit2: I guess what I’m saying is that we need 3D and 4D cars with wheel physics to experiment with these things. Does the 4D car need 4D wheels or is it fine with regular 3D wheels? Kinda like how a bike has 2D wheels in a 3D world. Kind of…
Mate, I, my mind mate, I don’t understand the next level
Do you intend adding 4D Toys to Play Store? I really wanted to download it but I don't have app store
I love this channel so much!
now this explains the glitches in cyberpunk 2077, the NPCs were living in the 4th dimensions
can we force keeping a certain face or point in the reference frame?
Oh wow, you mean instead of the center of each object... that's interesting. What made you think of that?
I literally turned notifications for this channel on yesterday. So weird.
Very cool update! Love the plane rotation feature! Also, hasn't anti-gravity been in the game for a while?
When I get a vr setup, this will be the first app that I buy for it.
He is back!
You showed us a clip from Miegakure about how to lock two rings together without breaking them. Why didn't you have that video?
Finishing some other video first... Sorry
very cool 🤩
HES BACK !!
Mind bending
The new update appears to cause significant lag on my iPad (Air 4th gen, running 16.3.1) when I tap on a given scene's preview and it starts to animate. This was not present in the previous version. I haven't found any other issues with the newest update so far, though.
(I should ask, though: is the fact that you can't rotate the screen 180 degrees intended? It worked a few updates ago, but the orientation now seems to be locked in place such that the charge port is to the right.)
Ah ok, I will look into the slowdown, sorry!
Rotating the screen 180 degrees was hurting my head trying to make the accelerometer work in both case, and I think it's a pain to always have to lock orientation anyway. But yeah, it's a tradeoff...
@@mtbdesignworks A couple of other things I should probably point out as well: for the 2D figure eight intersection demonstration, face projection always displays the intersection as offset even if the offset is turned off. This doesn't happen for wireframe projection.
Also, the great icosahedral 120-cell looks like it might be missing a few faces (this will take a bit of close inspection but you might eventually see some isolated pentagrams or incomplete star polyhedra as vertex figures).
Hey, I was just going to try this update on mobile, I updated the game and saw all of the new 4D toys, but I couldn’t rotate the plane or enable the 2D face projection. I’m pretty sure there were a couple other buttons missing too.
There's a page where each scene unlocks a new button
@@mtbdesignworks oh, thanks
This man would be a 4D chess grandmaster
I know probably a lot of people asked this before but do you intend on adding the game for android anytime in the future?
How do you unlock the new buttons on iOS? I see the new levels but not the new buttons
Oh, I figured it out. Near the end, there are some levels that each unlock a new button. Just playing those will get you the new buttons.
Human cannot see 4d, meanwhile some gut made a 4d minecraft and kids started sending him 4d dragon concept that could work...
Are some of these features only available on the Steam version? I can't seem to find a way to move the camera on the iOS app.
Ah, yeah. It just felt very crowded already in terms of gestures, and I almost never feel the need to move the camera, so I didn't include it.
What would the 4th dimensoin look like to 1 and 2 dimensonial creatures?
Any chance your company may do a collaboration with the company behind the atomontage engine to create a 4D video game using their graphics rendering technology?
I think you can do crazy stuff if you make this work on the oculus
lol 2 seconds after I commented I heard the bit about being available in VR. I'll see if that works from steam!
What happens if you keep changing really fast where the camera is facing, the 3d axie and then 4d axie and then 3d axie........?
Let's goooooooooo
just downloaded 4D Toys... the launch experience needs some love, scrolling the cartoons is a bit annoying.
also, the screen disappears if I click anywhere outside of it - not an ideal interaction.
It would be cool to be able to see a different projection on different monitors
What do you mean by "the screen disappears if I click anywhere outside of it "?
@@mtbdesignworks I'm pretty sure they're asking for borderless full screen mode. When in full screen, the window minimizes when you click outside of it.
(Unless, of course, you willingly live through the pain of having only one monitor.)
Actually, I just confirmed the window also disappears in windowed mode when you click outside it.
@@HaphazardDisastard I assume by disappears you mean the window goes below the other windows? Like it's not always on top?
@@mtbdesignworks No. The window minimizes when you click outside it. It has nothing to do with other open windows. This occurs in fullscreen mode, and I just figured out that it only occurs in windowed mode when the resolution is set to Auto.
@@HaphazardDisastard thank you for taking the time to help!
Dope.
Did stuff get removed in this update? I distinctly remember there being a level that featured a spherinder in the section with all the cylinder variations, but it doesn't seem to be there anymore.
It is still there, I think it is called extruded sphere or something
@@mtbdesignworks Oh, I suppose the "geodesicprism" one is kinda meant to be that. Makes sense.
I think this is the first time I heard you say Miegakure out loud. I thought it was pronounced mi-ga-cure, but if I understood you correctly it was more like mi-ga-cue-ré.
4:50
Mee-Eh, Gah-Koo-Ré
When 2d slice of a 3d slice of a 4d object?
Will me buying 4D Toys on steam get you to work on Miegakure a bit faster?
I'm getting old and I would like to still be alive if it ever comes out.
Yes! It helps pay more people to help.
omg italy 0:29
Will you add one or two more dimensions?
bro wont do that, its like too hard
also i would like to see a 1D cross-section of a 2D world!1!!111!
LETS GOOOOOO
2:18 Can a sphere leaves a cell?
Yes
Can you add slicing like you do in ur videos?
If you mean the 2D mode, it's all the way on the left side of the hub world.
i just got the game but i don't have the ability to do any of these new things except play with the new things
nevermind it turns out you have to play a certain level to unlock the mechanics
❤❤❤
Hi is this game available in VR? That would be so cool
Yes it is
It'd be nice if the game told you how to rotate your 2d slice. I've been looking for a way to do that for 4 fucking hours now and still have no clue
When is there gonna be mobile support or a mobile app?
There's an iPhone app but not android yet.
Will there be an android app?
the game is cool i bought it about a month ago cant play it again since the first time i played it because when i played it again the next day it just crashed no warnings it just silently quit do you know anything about this bug? i payed for this please fix
its been a month since the comment do he read this?
Try holding shift when starting the game and changing the display settings?
Could you also make this for Android or PC? I feel like I'm missing out on a gem.
It is on PC! Sorry about no android
If a 2d person in a 4d world or a 1d person in a 3D word or 0d person in a 2d world