I think for me. It's not that drake lost because he wasn't a part of the "culture"(i guess black culture in this case because I do believe drake is apart of hiphop culture.), its the fact that he's not being authentic to who he is as a person. for example, I've only lived in the hood for 2 years out of my life. I can't claim that life compared to some of my older siblings, but I'm still accepted because I don't pretend to be more than I am. yes some of those experiences are engrained in me but, I'm also self aware of my upbringing. Drake's mistake imo is not following lil Wayne's advice when he told him to "keep it Canadian" I know you're not a fan of drake's earlier work lol but we accepted him even when we knew he wasn't really from our culture. we would clown on him every now and then but people had love for him. I remember joking about the black berry incident with my cousins at the park lol. I was disappointed but it was what it was. I think weaponizing culture against people isn't right. But that gets lost in the mix when you're calling someone out for being a poser. I think we can address someone pretending to be something else while still accepting them for who they are.
@@Top5Troy For someone who doesnt understand the word culture, I find it hilarious how you continue to make vids about it 🤭 Take Drake and Hiphop/rap out of this. Can you define Religious culture, or conservative culture? What about West Coast culture? Can you define those terms without using the word "urban" 🤔 Because you say you aren't a Drake fan but these "culture" convos seem to only come up when someone is talking about him not being of the culture. So how about we start simple with any culture that doesnt involve Drake, and go from there 🤷🏾♀️
@@Top5Troy 4:57 if you were black and lived in the suburbs and went to public school or something YES, they would not be considered part of the culture of thise who didn't that has always been a thing. Especially if the black kid from the suburbs tries to act like he from something else
You literally got it wrong in the first five minutes. You should actually listen to the whole thing before deciding it’s about Black and white. Because it’s not. That’s something people who aren’t older do not understand. And that’s a shame. Culture is so much and has so much in it. Drake dips in, cozies up, gets some lingo and beats, and reimagines himself. Y’all want to accept it, that’s fine. But he’s a fraud. And Glasses Malone schooled everyone in the best way possible. I also hope this shows how worthless and ignorant Ak is and he can be disregarded in the “culture.”
Hip hop is a black American art form like jazz blues. You can make the music and participate in hip hop without being black sure. Drake isn’t American. He’s a Canadian biracial adopting American culture to sell records also out of genuine love. Kendrick and pusha t are hip hop purists and apart of black American culture.
@@Top5Troy Right, because jewish people protect and groom their culture so diligently for no reason at all. Culture has no meaning. You got it Troy, very astute take.
Drake beat Meek Mill because Meek tried to battle Drake on Drake's turf. Meeks angle was GHOSTWRITERS, but Drake's fans and the INDUSTRY he works in dont care about that. But they know Nicki Minaj and the fact she clearly made more money than her man at the time. THATS how Drake won.
Meek Mill may have lost the battle with Drake but he WON THE WAR. He's the one who planted the seed that Drake has ghost writers which haunts Drake til this day. He's the reason Drake will never be labeled the greatest rapper only the biggest. Meek Mill actually did more damage to Drake than Pusha T.
Bro, culture takes time and effort. They said Eminem IS part of the culture. What they are saying is that Drake is only HIPHOP in the booth. Everything else about him is a white Jewish man. He doesn't experience the things black people experience or care about them Why don't you understand that?
not sure you understood either. bc they later went on to say that Drake is black (not White) also said race or religion doesnt matter (hence the Beastie Boys). But I dont blame u for not comprehending all that bc, like i said in the video, the "culture" conversation is often unnecessarily convoluted
This man seems to smart to not understand. Seems to be playing obtuse for a reason! I can’t figure it out but he seems to be one of the people who saying kumbaya for the yts! He really wants them in even though they would never accept him in their culture
Hip-hop culture is a way of life encompassing street graffiti, DJing, breakdancing, knowledge, activism, and language. That’s the essence of what hip-hop culture represents. With Drake, while he is undeniably a fan of the culture, he didn’t grow up immersed in it. Yes, he’s a Black man who was introduced to hip-hop, but his upbringing didn’t fully embody the elements that define the culture. For example, as an African, I might be a fan of Japanese culture. I’ve studied the language and appreciate its richness, but I could never truly compete with someone who grew up in Japan, fully immersed in the culture. The depth of lived experience matters, and that’s a key difference.
based on your definition would you say that Drake is or isn't apart of Hip-Hop culture? And to G.Malone's point - is Drake a Hip-Hop artist? I answer yes to both
The “depth of lived experience” is also subjective. Who is the judge of that? Must be immersed in all or some aspects of the hip hop? Do Africans have the same depth as Black Americans or Japanese? In such matters one states what one believes and tries to support it with whatever that person feels supports their case. And I still have a right to disagree. It’s not an exact science and it’s subject to interpretation, biases, etc.
@@Top5Troy Drake does hip hop music yes therefore he automatically has to be called a hip hop artist, but that music doesn't actually embody his experience which is why he is called a culture vulture and comes off as inauthentic. Rap is just a form of expression of the culture that hip hop represents no different than a negro spiritual being birthed of the experience of being a slave. You can perform something that aligns with that music while not actually being from that culture. Eminem is a whole white man but his lived experience is of the culture that birthed hip hop therefore he's from that culture. A lot of thus stuff borders on "you should just get it" without having to go so in depth to break it down.
Culture-the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group. Yea black people are not a monolith but there is a common culture amongst black people in America. That dosent mean every person believes the same thing. You think every Muslim has the same interpretation of the Quran or that every person in Jamaica has the same beliefs? But Jamaica definitely has a culture right ? Muslims have a culture right? Why is it whenever it comes to black Americans we get questioned and even question ourselves on what “culture” is.
agree with that definition of culture. To G Malone's point I dont think "street" or "urban" is a necessary prerequisite to being apart of Hip-Hop or Black culture in 2025.
@@Top5Troy But you constantly assert that culture doesnt matter or have any relevance to these discussions about the art and the quality of artists interactions with the culture. You just say it means nothing and doesnt matter over and over again every time the topic comes up. Stop moving the goalposts dude. Have some integrity. You looking like Ak in these conversations.
@@dreadboy5314imo who is considered “apart of the culture” doesn’t matter. Is the music good? Is their content in good faith? That’s what matters to me
@@Top5Troy post Malone made good music but then turned around disrespected hip hop and tried to blame the “culture” for his alcoholism….a did his entire thing wasn’t being a culture vulture by definition
Im casper white but from over the years if i had to define "the culture " as i understand it when i hear others use the term: Culture- growing up as a black American. Hip hop culture- music/art form related /describing the experience growing up as a black American(the culture) Again im white and could be completely blind to something but when i hear it used in any fashion it makes sense for vast majority of ways i hear/read it used. Edit: For an example 3:50 area. Yes drake is part of the hip hop culture as in making music that is considered hip hop but he didnt grow up as a black American so he will never "be part of the culture" Edit 2: just heard the definition given by somebody who most definitely knows better than i would 🤷♂️.
Drake is the antithesis of hiphop, a corporate manufactured child actor that doesnt write his own music. if u think thats hip-hop u have no clue about what hip-hop is about, what it stands for or its roots
You can be a part of hip hop culture and blk culture without being black but you have to appreciate it and never think you can dictate or speak for it…. Higher infinite power healing our people if you don’t know oppression ur not hip hop culture your a fan which is still ok… and no matter how many albums you buy that talk about murder you don’t know the experiences… you could be conscious back pack rapper tho… n if you stay true to that it makes you part of the culture and nobody could take it from you… example you used Mac miller he never tried to be super street he just rapped his life….. he was part of the culture and was respected for what he was.. vanilla ice flirted with the streets and got exposed for being a vulture on the other hand.. Eminem literally said don’t be a fan of rap because of me if you don’t listen to the black rappers…. Hip hop started as street urban culture and grew to become mainstream most of the original rappers were from the ghetto conscious or gangster. Idk get why people don’t just look up definitions and history of things they speak on lol we need to stop defining words on feelings and deal in facts gang.. Drake is part of the culture but he is not from the culture if he wasn’t insecure of that it wouldn’t matter… black folk love Bruno mars I rest my case
The suing issues were TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS: Drake sued UMG because they wouldn't take down K Dots diss records. But he put out diss records too. Lord Finesse sued Mack Miller because he was using a "mixtape record" in the same fashion as an official single. He made a big budget video, toured the country and made tens of thousands of dollars off Lord Finese's music. Thats just business.
Culture definition: the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group. HIP HOP IS BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE. It did not exist until WE created. Rap is a verb. Hip Hop is a noun.
I'm really tired of people acting like they do NOT understand. Why is everyone else allowed to have their culture and we can not have ours. I'm tired of people jumping on our shit when its convenient.
@Top5Troy respectfully, you flip flop like you don't know what culture is fr and it pisses me off. And to complete Lord Finesse case to Drake is oranges and pears. Its disappointing
@@Top5Troy Paul Wall is for sure. But I tend to place Drake alongside the MGKs and Post Malones of the world. They all rap, but I think they are distinct from someone like Eminem.
Because that's the roots of it. That's why, let's just blow the doors. Open hip-hop is black. Urban culture , but its been dumb. watered down to the point everybody.thay wants to walk through the door, but the roots of hip-hop is black urban culture full stop.
This conversation has so many avenues cause everyone has their own separate definitions and that’s why it always ends up going in circles trying to prove a point.
Culture is being authentic to your life experience, since black urban people created it, they are trying to hold on to it before it turn into something else: aka Rock, Country Music. That’s how it seems to me.
I didn't grow up in an urban area but I grew up in the black experience because I'm from small-town Mississippi. Em is most certainly from the culture. I don't see Drake as being 'from' the culture and the way he switched up, tells me he's not. I do agree that there's different definitions though
@Top5Troy Anyone can indulge and take part in the culture, but that doesn't mean you are from it. Hiphop's inception was from the streets of NYC. It's what was going on in the streets that caught on and became popular enough to be the driving force of the culture today. Hip-hop is welcoming as long as the person is being authentic, no matter what the walk of life. This is a driving force in why it's so ubiquitous. Drakes problem is authenticity.
G Malone gives good examples on his own podcast - to at least understand his take - since that clip didn’t explain it well: 1) Carlton from Fresh Prince is still Street Urban Culture, even though raised in suburb, since Uncle Phil was raised in the streets and Carlton was raised by him to get those lessons [i.e. passed along generational if raised in it]. 2) Someone from say the streets of Philippines, will be street urban culture, and they will have their own version of HH telling their culture. It will be HH just not “American” HH culture. 3) Taco Bell is not Mexican culture, even though it is Mexican food. Taco Bell = Drake [i.e. he is a rapper who makes rap music, but not a HH artist since not from the culture]. That helped me at least understand his definition better.
Given the Carlton example couildnt someone say Drake is "apart of the culture" since his dad was in the streets and taught him those lessons? The whole "street" definition to be considered apart of Hip-Hop culture in 2025 is so bad
Exactly - I think Glasses point is that Drake has talked about not seeing his dad much growing up - and being mostly raised by his mom. I think he didn’t get a relationship with his dad until he was much older / getting into rap. I don’t know his music, but I think people pointed out some old songs of Drakes saying that - how he didn’t see his dad much as a kid. But you are right - if he had grown up with both his dad and mom raising him, then yes - he would be. And I try not to give an opinion on what HH should be defined as, since I am very suburban and very white - just a fan of the culture and music and try to learn and appreciate it / support it. That’s just what G Malone described on his No Ceilings Lives he does over lunch time - interesting topic I’m trying to understand - and I like differing perspectives. :)
@@BethGaming i think what you're describing fits perfectly into deciding if someone is from a certain ethnic/national/religious culture. But I, personally, dont have the prerequisite of someone learning street lessons at a young age as being apart of Hip-Hop culture specifically
@@Top5Troy agree - definitely sounds similar. And yeah, it is interesting with HH being 50 yrs old to see how it evolves and what “rules” stay vs phase out. I remember when mumble rap was a huge thing, and seems less of an issue. [not my cup of tea, but less push back in HH conversations nowadays]
@BethGaming “Taco Bell is not Mexican Culture, even though it is Mexican food”. Taco Bell is not Mexican food, it is American. No Mexican would agree with you.
what if Drake was cosplaying from the start? you say Drake is hip hop because of the old him. well, the old aubry isn't the Drake that first started. The videos of him as a teenager and young adult didn't match who is was back then
Drake dropped his case vs UMG and Spotify. His cultural stripes restored? Wonder who’s advising him? Not doing a great job are they? They are terrible. Just like his ghosts. Sometimes….
At this point, we gotta stop using the term "the culture". All they're doing is moving the goal post. It's starting to become a purity contest. @8:33 Drake didn't lose the battle because he's "uncultured", he lost the battle because he doesn't love himself and is deeply insecure and vapid.
This isnt that hard to grasp, Glasses just sucks at explaining it (it's like everyone that argues AK is just not very articulate). The "Culture" is essentially the environment that gave rise to hip hop, you can be a black suburbanite who loves hip hop and knows it like the back of your hand but you are not from or of the culture, you are a FAN of hip hop culture which is just a segment of the larger black culture that you're apart of. Kendrick can call upon that because he, while not being a gang banger, lived within an environment that gives birth to and represents that culture. Drake on the otherhand, attempts to mimic the culture and is a code switching chameleon but when you put him under enough pressure he makes plenty of moves that violate what most whom are actually from that environment would stand on. This isn't much different than an anime weeb flying to Japan and thinking they're of that culture. Drake lost because he got out strategized and because Kendrick made a song that not only was catchy but was able to isolate Drake and unify the audience against him.
I’m an African-American man 24 years old and the best way I can describe culture is a shared group of experiences that shaped you usually but not exclusively coming from an urban area now, let me elaborate here of why Drake to me is a student of hip-hop, but not hip-hop it’s quite simple. What do you know about Drake? Be honest name me something that isn’t just I had a bunch of crushes. I have a somewhat weird relationship with my dad that was in a song take for example Eminem, which some people would say isn’t a part of the culture directly because of where he comes from, one guy said the best em grew up in a trailer park that was his hood and he told us about his struggles and how they affected him and changed that makes him hip-hop and I would have to agree knowing this artist and getting to know them on some level is important to be a part of a culture because it’s supposed to be about the ups and downs in your life. 2Pac had a lot of Bragg raps and hard-core thug stuff mixed in there you learn a lot about him. Actually you learned about his relationship with his mother and how she basically had to work super hard trying to raise two kids by herself what he was thinking when he was in jail and she had to see him behind bars how happy and glad he is the wrap came into his life and allowed him to do the basic things that made him feel special like paying rent but then you also learn things like his profound fear of death for the actions and crimes he’s committed on songs like bloody Mary where have you listen to specifically his lines? He just talks about this haunting thought that he will someday die because of all the stuff he’s done you can learn all this in three different songs and you learn this much from this guy. I can’t think of a song where I know anything about this dude I didn’t even know his name was Aubrey until I ran across of Interview on Saturday Night Live
we need to have a serious talk about what hip hop is. How can you not agree that hip hop is street urban culture. When it was literally created to be a representation of NY Street culture ?....imo thats what is wrong with hip hop now. we have so many people trying to change what hip hop really is. You can have a love and appreciation for hip hop. But there is definitely a difference between someone who grew up in hip hop and someone who is just a Fan. When we started referring to the BS the south was doing as hip hop is when hip hop died.
@Top5Troy So what do you think hip hop culture is? You can have a love for it but unless you have a lived experience of what that life really is you can't say you're apart of hip hop culture. Thats like you learing Spanish, then start calling yourself Hispanic. People are going to look at you crazy
@@Top5Troy it’s both but there is a culture and Drake not part of it cause I don’t care what anyone says if you start talking about slaves in your raps but ain’t talking about how trash the slaveowners were then I’m sorry you not the culture. How he gone say Kendrick rap like he trying to set slaves free! What slaves is he referring to? Is he saying we still slaves to his people and Kendrick trying to wake us up? What he mean?
@ then said it has nothing to do with race. then said Beastie Boys are Jewish but apart of Hip-Hop. then said etc etc yea whats so hard to understand 😵💫
@@Top5Troy i look at it like this hiphop culture is a sub genre of black culture if that makes sense, so by someone being black i feel like you are of hiphop culture just off dna/experience alone. So lets say a nigga is black but he from the burbs if he still is living as a black man (akanot disowning his culture and not ignorant of his culture) he is hiphop culture if he chooses. I feel like a white from the burb doesnt have a choice you have to be accepted (meaning that loosely obviously you can do what you want). Also a white person from urban environments or lets say any non black from urban areas who live in places where they witness the black experience first hand is closer to the culture but ultimately is still going to be seeking some sort of acceptance if they want to be a part of a culture that is a sub genre of black culture you get what im tryna say? Idk if i explained it well enough but pretty much black people are inherently part of hiphop culture because its their culture that makes it a thing in general. Now if you black and you not a hiphop fan ok that goes without saying you not a fan so ofc you not the culture and non blacks have to be accepted whether some people think its weird or not its just how it is. Its like if im trying to create a manga im not just gonna assume im part of japanese culture but i will make art that honors thr core of what they do respectfully in hopes that they accept me as a guest in their culture not just saying im their culture cause i like attck on titan
I'm sorry brother but I agree with you on most things but on this you're wrong hip Hop culture was born from an urban environment we go all the way back from the the late 70s into the early 80s when hip Hop was birthed from Urban experience therefore it's Urban culture you cannot take that out of the conversation I think why people don't understand culture and the word culture it's because most people do not understand the history of hip Hop in the same interview he mentions Beastie boys and Eminem who are not black but are from the culture and the Beastie boys are Jewish but they come from an urban environment they understand the culture even with having a white Jewish background. What they're talking about here is being from that elk understanding the urban environment I'm pretty sure you've met people and then like yeah he's Urban it's in the dialect the way they carry themselves it's their essence when Drake does this it comes off not authentic but forced almost as if he's playing a character that's why they say he's not from the culture
so because Hip Hop comes from an "urban environment", one has to be from an "urban" environment to be apart of it in 2025? if thats your definition fine but be prepared to cancel a bunch of Black artists who are from the suburbs lol
I completely get what you're saying. Drake never went through an urban experience one day in his life. The fact that he's been in"black" face, used the hard "er" on numerous occasions when he was interviewed back in the day, stated that Dot was rapping like he was trying to "free the slaves", has intentionally tried to disrupt and dismantle black families during the course of his past 15yr career. He also went from being an R&B and Pop artist, to wanting to be a "Mobties" gangsta with goons and the ability to apply pressure, speaks to his cultural appropriation and exploitation of our CULTURE!
@@divineeternally2502this is a bad take. To believe Drake hasn’t been exposed to the urban culture in Toronto and in Memphis is crazy. And while he is the hottest in the game from 2013-2023, he has done more for hip hop than any other artist during that time. His success was what helped hip hop culture thrive. Remove your hate for Drake aside and see the bigger picture, DRAKE WAS THE CULTURE.
i think drake became apart of the music culture once we started listing to his music and other artist started collabing with him. Its just that people love to hate this nigga i did too at one point, but that's how you get a convo like this, i feel like this was a topic before drake lost battle to kendrick
The community or the people decide a culture. For instance, in hip hop, to engage in a rap battle and then (essentially) sue because of one of the songs is NOT a part of the hip-hop culture. Every one in the culture knows this. That is why we have never seen this type of behavior before.
I swear it be mainly the consumers of hip hop who have these goofy ass conversations. Folks who never studied the craft and or created in the medium want to be gatekeepers so bad.
Drake makes rap songs. Somebody of the "culture" wouldnt have been upset at Control. Hence Cole Wale Meek etc reactions. What did they all say when asked how they felt about it? They said "i didnt take offence thats the CULTURE"
Drake is Pop Culture,, in my opinion Aubrey is not Hip Hop culture….. There wouldn’t be a law suit if Aubrey stood on Hip Hop culture and principles…. Respectfully
The culture of hip-hop is established by those that come before. Race doesn't have anything to do with hip-hop culture. To know it you have to talk to people engulfed in it. But I don't think culture is the "sole" reason Drake lost the battle. Kendrick just made the better disrespectful songs, mainly because he gave a foundation to every angle Kendrick was dissing him on. The allegations = already on the internet, Baka weird case = already on the internet, Masculinity issues = Duck face photos and jealous actions = already on the internet. I could go on but I feel it's that simple.
It's interesting that you jumped on this topic as a man that clearly speaks with articulation and intelligence. You clearly don't sound "urban" by his definition. 😂
17:15 I think it’s over complicated and oversimplified simultaneously. It’s not that he’s from a nice city and middle class upbringing alone. It’s that everything he does from a hip hop perspective is quite literally an act… hopping from wave to wave… mimicking different rap styles… having never truly established his own. He was bar mitzvah’d and in early videos you see the boy who would become “the boy”. There’s NOTHING REMOTELY hip hop about him. That ain’t the case for EMINEM N Nem or the Beastie Boys if you see footage of them away from the raps (you feel me?). That juxtaposition is what I believe G Malone’s pointing out. And you’re right… it is a moving target (at best) It’s really one of those iykyk scenarios. Also… look back… his earliest rap style was lifted from Phontae (Lil Brother) almost exactly. Drake even credits the aforementioned as one of his inspirations early on. Then mix in all the lifted lyrics. Then the ghost writers. The picture should be clear for most interested in seeing it. Drake has mimicked/ acted the rapper role to the top of hip hop cultural relevance… but without any true substance… he’s helpless in the face of a challenge that only substantive passion can overcome. Even in the wake of loss.
Lord finesse suing was corny. But one he wasn’t suing over a rap battle and two just because what he did was corny he’s still part of the culture lol not to mention Mac wasn’t none at the time and Finesse could have just not liked a white dude jumping on his beat. Drake is suing over a rap battle he participated in compounded on top of everything else
IMHO, the culture talk is actually a moot point and a small part of Kendrick’s criticism of Drake. It was never about hip hop culture. People just running with that line from Euphoria. It was about Drake the person and his character.
He’s right nas didn’t win that battle with jay z cause of lyrics..he won because Street urban culture rather hear you insult someone then be a lyrical genius. Witch nas is but he’s first song was Stillmatic that was the response to take over, but it didn’t go nowhere so he dropped the second song six months later Ether..and because Jay z was so commercial Street urban culture chose to cancel Jay z..go back and listen to ether carefully. All he doing is saying Jay got big lips and he’s gay. Nothing else.😂 and called him a camel like 6 times and the beat was fire the way it drop
This dude's basically saying Black Americans don't have a culture, that's why he acts obtuse. Remember, he doesn't just act this way about hip hop, he acts this way about black conversations as well. If this was any other culture or subculture he wouldn't act this way.
Lol you really like to lean into this pseudo-intellectual contrarian vibe, which is why I feel that you don’t really come into these sociopolitical discussions in good faith. Language is an abstraction to communicate ideas and qualia between distinct conscious experiences. Culture is obviously a complex phenomenon to define/explain, but it’s still real and relevant. Skeptically nitpicking edge cases is technically valid, but unproductive causes no definition will be perfect; by discussing and defining examples of what is and isn’t culture, we can approximate a definition (like fitting a curve to discrete points to eventually get a more precise function).
Kendrick makes much deeper music than Drake, but it’s so obvious at this point that the Drake fan base is generally more intelligent than the average Kendrick fan. I’m sorry 😂
I feel black culture is black culture hip hop culture is a part of some black culture, also hip hop culture by the original representation the pillars of hip hop has been dead since the 90s except the mc and djing so really is anyone in rap right now actually hip hop🤷🏾
Great video, Troy. I think culture needs a clear cut definition in this discussion because they were changing it to fit their argument whenever they needed to rather than sticking to one definition. Glasses Malone is weaponizing and trying to monetize off of the term culture. If Glasses Malone was actually having a conversation with someone who was live streaming, and was able to sit and think (like you) then he’d be called out on his hypocrisy multiple times.
Culture is an extremely complex sociological phenomenon, there is no clear cut definition of any culture. Troy is obfuscating by leveraging the most tricky edge cases, but ultimately most folks have an intuitive understanding of culture based on experience. In Drake’s case, he lacks the linguistic, socioeconomic, racial, and interpersonal elements of BOTH black American and hip hop culture.
Lord finesse suing was corny. But one he wasn’t suing over a rap battle and two just because what he did was corny he’s still part of the culture lol not to mention Mac wasn’t none at the time and Finesse could have just not liked a white dude jumping on his beat. Drake is suing over a rap battle he participated in compounded on top of everything else
I think for me. It's not that drake lost because he wasn't a part of the "culture"(i guess black culture in this case because I do believe drake is apart of hiphop culture.), its the fact that he's not being authentic to who he is as a person. for example, I've only lived in the hood for 2 years out of my life. I can't claim that life compared to some of my older siblings, but I'm still accepted because I don't pretend to be more than I am. yes some of those experiences are engrained in me but, I'm also self aware of my upbringing.
Drake's mistake imo is not following lil Wayne's advice when he told him to "keep it Canadian" I know you're not a fan of drake's earlier work lol but we accepted him even when we knew he wasn't really from our culture. we would clown on him every now and then but people had love for him. I remember joking about the black berry incident with my cousins at the park lol. I was disappointed but it was what it was.
I think weaponizing culture against people isn't right. But that gets lost in the mix when you're calling someone out for being a poser. I think we can address someone pretending to be something else while still accepting them for who they are.
very well said!
@@Top5Troy For someone who doesnt understand the word culture, I find it hilarious how you continue to make vids about it 🤭
Take Drake and Hiphop/rap out of this. Can you define Religious culture, or conservative culture? What about West Coast culture? Can you define those terms without using the word "urban" 🤔
Because you say you aren't a Drake fan but these "culture" convos seem to only come up when someone is talking about him not being of the culture. So how about we start simple with any culture that doesnt involve Drake, and go from there 🤷🏾♀️
@@iluvdissheet FACTS
@@iluvdissheetatp😂 like something gotta give
@@Top5Troy 4:57 if you were black and lived in the suburbs and went to public school or something YES, they would not be considered part of the culture of thise who didn't that has always been a thing. Especially if the black kid from the suburbs tries to act like he from something else
Drake is not Hip Hop. Drake WORKS in the Hip Hop Music Industry, he is not of the culture.
Drake is an actor playing a pop star/rapper, which is fine. The issue is him not staying in his lane.
He is hip hop but he isn’t a mc
@@Virtualcritic111 He’s neither
@@marlock6573 correct!
@AriesGirl7719 nadda!
You literally got it wrong in the first five minutes. You should actually listen to the whole thing before deciding it’s about Black and white. Because it’s not. That’s something people who aren’t older do not understand. And that’s a shame. Culture is so much and has so much in it. Drake dips in, cozies up, gets some lingo and beats, and reimagines himself. Y’all want to accept it, that’s fine. But he’s a fraud. And Glasses Malone schooled everyone in the best way possible. I also hope this shows how worthless and ignorant Ak is and he can be disregarded in the “culture.”
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Perfectly said ….. Aubrey is a Pop star who uses and abused Hip Hop ….
And just because you can use something doesn’t mean you’re apart of it ,,,, I used my phone , that doesn’t make me a computer or a machine …. 💯💯💯
Hip hop is a black American art form like jazz blues. You can make the music and participate in hip hop without being black sure. Drake isn’t American. He’s a Canadian biracial adopting American culture to sell records also out of genuine love. Kendrick and pusha t are hip hop purists and apart of black American culture.
drake is rnb or pop at best, not HIP HOP
Pop. Just pop 😂
He can't sing, so not r&b
Hip Pop is what drake does....
Being FROM the culture & a PART of the culture is not synonymous
We need a Hip-hop Culture Supreme Court
we need people to worry about things that matter😂
@Top5Troy they voted Trump back into office. It's going to be a unserious clown show for 4+ years. So let's focus on the simple pleasures for now.
@@Top5Troyif it don’t matter why react to it?
@ to tell u it dont matter
@@Top5Troy Right, because jewish people protect and groom their culture so diligently for no reason at all. Culture has no meaning. You got it Troy, very astute take.
Drake beat Meek Mill because Meek tried to battle Drake on Drake's turf. Meeks angle was GHOSTWRITERS, but Drake's fans and the INDUSTRY he works in dont care about that. But they know Nicki Minaj and the fact she clearly made more money than her man at the time. THATS how Drake won.
Meek Mill may have lost the battle with Drake but he WON THE WAR. He's the one who planted the seed that Drake has ghost writers which haunts Drake til this day. He's the reason Drake will never be labeled the greatest rapper only the biggest. Meek Mill actually did more damage to Drake than Pusha T.
Bro, culture takes time and effort. They said Eminem IS part of the culture.
What they are saying is that Drake is only HIPHOP in the booth. Everything else about him is a white Jewish man.
He doesn't experience the things black people experience or care about them
Why don't you understand that?
not sure you understood either. bc they later went on to say that Drake is black (not White) also said race or religion doesnt matter (hence the Beastie Boys). But I dont blame u for not comprehending all that bc, like i said in the video, the "culture" conversation is often unnecessarily convoluted
This man seems to smart to not understand. Seems to be playing obtuse for a reason! I can’t figure it out but he seems to be one of the people who saying kumbaya for the yts! He really wants them in even though they would never accept him in their culture
@@warrengee4006He’s waiting for Happy Dad to sponsor him.
2:01 that guy DID NOT SAY its because Drake is "Not Black". Drake is not of Hip Hop culture, Drake is not even culturally sensitive.
You can be a part of hip hop as a guest
Hip-hop culture is a way of life encompassing street graffiti, DJing, breakdancing, knowledge, activism, and language. That’s the essence of what hip-hop culture represents. With Drake, while he is undeniably a fan of the culture, he didn’t grow up immersed in it. Yes, he’s a Black man who was introduced to hip-hop, but his upbringing didn’t fully embody the elements that define the culture.
For example, as an African, I might be a fan of Japanese culture. I’ve studied the language and appreciate its richness, but I could never truly compete with someone who grew up in Japan, fully immersed in the culture. The depth of lived experience matters, and that’s a key difference.
VERY well said
based on your definition would you say that Drake is or isn't apart of Hip-Hop culture? And to G.Malone's point - is Drake a Hip-Hop artist? I answer yes to both
The “depth of lived experience” is also subjective. Who is the judge of that? Must be immersed in all or some aspects of the hip hop? Do Africans have the same depth as Black Americans or Japanese? In such matters one states what one believes and tries to support it with whatever that person feels supports their case. And I still have a right to disagree. It’s not an exact science and it’s subject to interpretation, biases, etc.
@@Top5Troy Drake does hip hop music yes therefore he automatically has to be called a hip hop artist, but that music doesn't actually embody his experience which is why he is called a culture vulture and comes off as inauthentic. Rap is just a form of expression of the culture that hip hop represents no different than a negro spiritual being birthed of the experience of being a slave. You can perform something that aligns with that music while not actually being from that culture.
Eminem is a whole white man but his lived experience is of the culture that birthed hip hop therefore he's from that culture. A lot of thus stuff borders on "you should just get it" without having to go so in depth to break it down.
@@Top5TroyDrake is pop, not hip hop. And that’s okay!
Culture-the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group.
Yea black people are not a monolith but there is a common culture amongst black people in America. That dosent mean every person believes the same thing. You think every Muslim has the same interpretation of the Quran or that every person in Jamaica has the same beliefs? But Jamaica definitely has a culture right ? Muslims have a culture right? Why is it whenever it comes to black Americans we get questioned and even question ourselves on what “culture” is.
agree with that definition of culture. To G Malone's point I dont think "street" or "urban" is a necessary prerequisite to being apart of Hip-Hop or Black culture in 2025.
@@Top5Troy But you constantly assert that culture doesnt matter or have any relevance to these discussions about the art and the quality of artists interactions with the culture. You just say it means nothing and doesnt matter over and over again every time the topic comes up.
Stop moving the goalposts dude. Have some integrity. You looking like Ak in these conversations.
@@dreadboy5314imo who is considered “apart of the culture” doesn’t matter. Is the music good? Is their content in good faith? That’s what matters to me
@@Top5Troy And that’s the problem right there. Ugh.
@@Top5Troy post Malone made good music but then turned around disrespected hip hop and tried to blame the “culture” for his alcoholism….a did his entire thing wasn’t being a culture vulture by definition
Im casper white but from over the years if i had to define "the culture " as i understand it when i hear others use the term:
Culture- growing up as a black American.
Hip hop culture- music/art form related /describing the experience growing up as a black American(the culture)
Again im white and could be completely blind to something but when i hear it used in any fashion it makes sense for vast majority of ways i hear/read it used.
Edit:
For an example 3:50 area. Yes drake is part of the hip hop culture as in making music that is considered hip hop but he didnt grow up as a black American so he will never "be part of the culture"
Edit 2: just heard the definition given by somebody who most definitely knows better than i would 🤷♂️.
He said "Street Urban Culture" not "Black Culture"
Drake is the antithesis of hiphop, a corporate manufactured child actor that doesnt write his own music. if u think thats hip-hop u have no clue about what hip-hop is about, what it stands for or its roots
the "first" Hip-Hop song Rapper's Delight.. Sugarhill Gang's Big Bank Hank verse was ghostwritten by Grandmaster Caz. how's that for roots
@@Top5Troy didnt know sugar hill gang were suburban jewish kids
You can be a part of hip hop culture and blk culture without being black but you have to appreciate it and never think you can dictate or speak for it…. Higher infinite power healing our people if you don’t know oppression ur not hip hop culture your a fan which is still ok… and no matter how many albums you buy that talk about murder you don’t know the experiences… you could be conscious back pack rapper tho… n if you stay true to that it makes you part of the culture and nobody could take it from you… example you used Mac miller he never tried to be super street he just rapped his life….. he was part of the culture and was respected for what he was.. vanilla ice flirted with the streets and got exposed for being a vulture on the other hand.. Eminem literally said don’t be a fan of rap because of me if you don’t listen to the black rappers…. Hip hop started as street urban culture and grew to become mainstream most of the original rappers were from the ghetto conscious or gangster. Idk get why people don’t just look up definitions and history of things they speak on lol we need to stop defining words on feelings and deal in facts gang.. Drake is part of the culture but he is not from the culture if he wasn’t insecure of that it wouldn’t matter… black folk love Bruno mars I rest my case
Drake tries to benefit from and relate to a 'culture' that he does not belong to! That is the difference with drake and other hip hop artists
Em is from the States. Yes he closer to the culture than Drake. He also spent more time in it.
And I don’t listen to Em but has he made any music about trying to set slaves free? If so he can kick rocks too!
The suing issues were TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS:
Drake sued UMG because they wouldn't take down K Dots diss records. But he put out diss records too.
Lord Finesse sued Mack Miller because he was using a "mixtape record" in the same fashion as an official single. He made a big budget video, toured the country and made tens of thousands of dollars off Lord Finese's music. Thats just business.
Culture definition: the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group.
HIP HOP IS BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE. It did not exist until WE created. Rap is a verb. Hip Hop is a noun.
I'm really tired of people acting like they do NOT understand. Why is everyone else allowed to have their culture and we can not have ours. I'm tired of people jumping on our shit when its convenient.
I'm unfollowing this channel. This mf being remiss on purpose. To compare the Lord Finesse case to Drake is tomfoolery.
i addressed this in the video
@Top5Troy respectfully, you flip flop like you don't know what culture is fr and it pisses me off. And to complete Lord Finesse case to Drake is oranges and pears. Its disappointing
@@woman0113I agree with you…
Its not about being black. Paul Wall aint black and he is HIP HOP. He understands our CULTURE. Drake is a gentrifier.
I think both Paul Wall and Drake are apart of Hip-Hop culture
@Top5Troy and i think Drak was never hip hop. He was handed raps and played a role. Big difference champ.
@@Top5Troy
Paul Wall is for sure. But I tend to place Drake alongside the MGKs and Post Malones of the world. They all rap, but I think they are distinct from someone like Eminem.
@@darrellspencer1809 EXACTLY. MGK AND Post Malone are NOT hip hop. They just rap. THANK YOU. Somebody understands me!!
Because that's the roots of it. That's why, let's just blow the doors. Open hip-hop is black. Urban culture , but its been dumb. watered down to the point everybody.thay wants to walk through the door, but the roots of hip-hop is black urban culture full stop.
This conversation has so many avenues cause everyone has their own separate definitions and that’s why it always ends up going in circles trying to prove a point.
Culture is being authentic to your life experience, since black urban people created it, they are trying to hold on to it before it turn into something else: aka Rock, Country Music. That’s how it seems to me.
I didn't grow up in an urban area but I grew up in the black experience because I'm from small-town Mississippi. Em is most certainly from the culture. I don't see Drake as being 'from' the culture and the way he switched up, tells me he's not. I do agree that there's different definitions though
definitely different definitions. Thank you for watching
@Top5Troy Anyone can indulge and take part in the culture, but that doesn't mean you are from it. Hiphop's inception was from the streets of NYC. It's what was going on in the streets that caught on and became popular enough to be the driving force of the culture today. Hip-hop is welcoming as long as the person is being authentic, no matter what the walk of life. This is a driving force in why it's so ubiquitous. Drakes problem is authenticity.
Meek mill did not drop a song. Kendrick took the angle culture and still had better rap songs
Kendrick Lamar has done dozens of pop features and RnB songs but suddenly DRAKE isn’t culture
G Malone gives good examples on his own podcast - to at least understand his take - since that clip didn’t explain it well: 1) Carlton from Fresh Prince is still Street Urban Culture, even though raised in suburb, since Uncle Phil was raised in the streets and Carlton was raised by him to get those lessons [i.e. passed along generational if raised in it]. 2) Someone from say the streets of Philippines, will be street urban culture, and they will have their own version of HH telling their culture. It will be HH just not “American” HH culture. 3) Taco Bell is not Mexican culture, even though it is Mexican food. Taco Bell = Drake [i.e. he is a rapper who makes rap music, but not a HH artist since not from the culture]. That helped me at least understand his definition better.
Given the Carlton example couildnt someone say Drake is "apart of the culture" since his dad was in the streets and taught him those lessons? The whole "street" definition to be considered apart of Hip-Hop culture in 2025 is so bad
Exactly - I think Glasses point is that Drake has talked about not seeing his dad much growing up - and being mostly raised by his mom. I think he didn’t get a relationship with his dad until he was much older / getting into rap. I don’t know his music, but I think people pointed out some old songs of Drakes saying that - how he didn’t see his dad much as a kid. But you are right - if he had grown up with both his dad and mom raising him, then yes - he would be. And I try not to give an opinion on what HH should be defined as, since I am very suburban and very white - just a fan of the culture and music and try to learn and appreciate it / support it. That’s just what G Malone described on his No Ceilings Lives he does over lunch time - interesting topic I’m trying to understand - and I like differing perspectives. :)
@@BethGaming i think what you're describing fits perfectly into deciding if someone is from a certain ethnic/national/religious culture. But I, personally, dont have the prerequisite of someone learning street lessons at a young age as being apart of Hip-Hop culture specifically
@@Top5Troy agree - definitely sounds similar. And yeah, it is interesting with HH being 50 yrs old to see how it evolves and what “rules” stay vs phase out. I remember when mumble rap was a huge thing, and seems less of an issue. [not my cup of tea, but less push back in HH conversations nowadays]
@BethGaming “Taco Bell is not Mexican Culture, even though it is Mexican food”.
Taco Bell is not Mexican food, it is American. No Mexican would agree with you.
Racism and prejudice are two very different things that people use interchangeably.
agreed. and it should not be used interchangeably. Words have meaning
@ and given the whole culture conversation, knowing meaning of words are important for context.
Racism is a form of prejudice. Prejudice is all encompassing whilst racism is specific. Like Africans and Nigerians as an analogy.
Are you looking for that happy dad check
Yes
Culture is shared experience. I wouldn’t expect someone who doesn’t see daylight to understand that.
My theory is no one speaks on lord finesse because a lot of people who claim this culture speak aren't part of the culture they claim to be from
what if Drake was cosplaying from the start? you say Drake is hip hop because of the old him. well, the old aubry isn't the Drake that first started. The videos of him as a teenager and young adult didn't match who is was back then
What if he like making music?
Drake dropped his case vs UMG and Spotify. His cultural stripes restored? Wonder who’s advising him? Not doing a great job are they? They are terrible. Just like his ghosts. Sometimes….
…. And less than 12 hours later filed a defamation suit against UMG. I can’t keep up with him anymore. I give up.
At this point, we gotta stop using the term "the culture". All they're doing is moving the goal post. It's starting to become a purity contest.
@8:33 Drake didn't lose the battle because he's "uncultured", he lost the battle because he doesn't love himself and is deeply insecure and vapid.
totally agree. Purity contest and virtue signaling
@@Top5Troy Exactly! Virtue signaling is the perfect way to describe it.
This is all Kendrick's fault man, said that stupid line about he's what the cultures feeling and now they can't shut the h*ll up about #daculllcha
No, he lost because he doesn't understand black culture in the u.S
@@Antifrustrated facts! Now they wont shut up about it.
This isnt that hard to grasp, Glasses just sucks at explaining it (it's like everyone that argues AK is just not very articulate). The "Culture" is essentially the environment that gave rise to hip hop, you can be a black suburbanite who loves hip hop and knows it like the back of your hand but you are not from or of the culture, you are a FAN of hip hop culture which is just a segment of the larger black culture that you're apart of.
Kendrick can call upon that because he, while not being a gang banger, lived within an environment that gives birth to and represents that culture. Drake on the otherhand, attempts to mimic the culture and is a code switching chameleon but when you put him under enough pressure he makes plenty of moves that violate what most whom are actually from that environment would stand on.
This isn't much different than an anime weeb flying to Japan and thinking they're of that culture.
Drake lost because he got out strategized and because Kendrick made a song that not only was catchy but was able to isolate Drake and unify the audience against him.
I understand what you’re saying. Like me, you differentiate hip-hop culture and black culture. Others do not do that
I’m an African-American man 24 years old and the best way I can describe culture is a shared group of experiences that shaped you usually but not exclusively coming from an urban area now, let me elaborate here of why Drake to me is a student of hip-hop, but not hip-hop it’s quite simple. What do you know about Drake? Be honest name me something that isn’t just I had a bunch of crushes. I have a somewhat weird relationship with my dad that was in a song take for example Eminem, which some people would say isn’t a part of the culture directly because of where he comes from, one guy said the best em grew up in a trailer park that was his hood and he told us about his struggles and how they affected him and changed that makes him hip-hop and I would have to agree knowing this artist and getting to know them on some level is important to be a part of a culture because it’s supposed to be about the ups and downs in your life. 2Pac had a lot of Bragg raps and hard-core thug stuff mixed in there you learn a lot about him. Actually you learned about his relationship with his mother and how she basically had to work super hard trying to raise two kids by herself what he was thinking when he was in jail and she had to see him behind bars how happy and glad he is the wrap came into his life and allowed him to do the basic things that made him feel special like paying rent but then you also learn things like his profound fear of death for the actions and crimes he’s committed on songs like bloody Mary where have you listen to specifically his lines? He just talks about this haunting thought that he will someday die because of all the stuff he’s done you can learn all this in three different songs and you learn this much from this guy. I can’t think of a song where I know anything about this dude I didn’t even know his name was Aubrey until I ran across of Interview on Saturday Night Live
we need to have a serious talk about what hip hop is. How can you not agree that hip hop is street urban culture. When it was literally created to be a representation of NY Street culture ?....imo thats what is wrong with hip hop now. we have so many people trying to change what hip hop really is. You can have a love and appreciation for hip hop. But there is definitely a difference between someone who grew up in hip hop and someone who is just a Fan. When we started referring to the BS the south was doing as hip hop is when hip hop died.
i dont think someone has to be from the streets or urban area to be apart of hip-hop culture
@@Top5Troyyou don’t have to be but Drake isn’t part of the culture period!
@Top5Troy So what do you think hip hop culture is? You can have a love for it but unless you have a lived experience of what that life really is you can't say you're apart of hip hop culture. Thats like you learing Spanish, then start calling yourself Hispanic. People are going to look at you crazy
Culture is fluid and evolves with time.
that i agree with.. but does culture evolve and change or does the definition of culture evolve and change? Or both?
@@Top5Troy it’s both but there is a culture and Drake not part of it cause I don’t care what anyone says if you start talking about slaves in your raps but ain’t talking about how trash the slaveowners were then I’m sorry you not the culture. How he gone say Kendrick rap like he trying to set slaves free! What slaves is he referring to? Is he saying we still slaves to his people and Kendrick trying to wake us up? What he mean?
We all know what people mean by culture yall need to cut it out
i think people THINK they know what others mean. then they define it and everyone has a different definition lol
No, he said he's of Jewish culture. How hard is that to understand?
@ then said it has nothing to do with race. then said Beastie Boys are Jewish but apart of Hip-Hop. then said etc etc yea whats so hard to understand 😵💫
@@Top5TroyIf you’re too slow to get it then you are NOT and NEVER will be part of it.
@@Top5Troy i look at it like this hiphop culture is a sub genre of black culture if that makes sense, so by someone being black i feel like you are of hiphop culture just off dna/experience alone. So lets say a nigga is black but he from the burbs if he still is living as a black man (akanot disowning his culture and not ignorant of his culture) he is hiphop culture if he chooses. I feel like a white from the burb doesnt have a choice you have to be accepted (meaning that loosely obviously you can do what you want). Also a white person from urban environments or lets say any non black from urban areas who live in places where they witness the black experience first hand is closer to the culture but ultimately is still going to be seeking some sort of acceptance if they want to be a part of a culture that is a sub genre of black culture you get what im tryna say? Idk if i explained it well enough but pretty much black people are inherently part of hiphop culture because its their culture that makes it a thing in general. Now if you black and you not a hiphop fan ok that goes without saying you not a fan so ofc you not the culture and non blacks have to be accepted whether some people think its weird or not its just how it is. Its like if im trying to create a manga im not just gonna assume im part of japanese culture but i will make art that honors thr core of what they do respectfully in hopes that they accept me as a guest in their culture not just saying im their culture cause i like attck on titan
I'm sorry brother but I agree with you on most things but on this you're wrong hip Hop culture was born from an urban environment we go all the way back from the the late 70s into the early 80s when hip Hop was birthed from Urban experience therefore it's Urban culture you cannot take that out of the conversation I think why people don't understand culture and the word culture it's because most people do not understand the history of hip Hop in the same interview he mentions Beastie boys and Eminem who are not black but are from the culture and the Beastie boys are Jewish but they come from an urban environment they understand the culture even with having a white Jewish background. What they're talking about here is being from that elk understanding the urban environment I'm pretty sure you've met people and then like yeah he's Urban it's in the dialect the way they carry themselves it's their essence when Drake does this it comes off not authentic but forced almost as if he's playing a character that's why they say he's not from the culture
so because Hip Hop comes from an "urban environment", one has to be from an "urban" environment to be apart of it in 2025? if thats your definition fine but be prepared to cancel a bunch of Black artists who are from the suburbs lol
I completely get what you're saying. Drake never went through an urban experience one day in his life. The fact that he's been in"black" face, used the hard "er" on numerous occasions when he was interviewed back in the day, stated that Dot was rapping like he was trying to "free the slaves", has intentionally tried to disrupt and dismantle black families during the course of his past 15yr career. He also went from being an R&B and Pop artist, to wanting to be a "Mobties" gangsta with goons and the ability to apply pressure, speaks to his cultural appropriation and exploitation of our CULTURE!
@@divineeternally2502this is a bad take. To believe Drake hasn’t been exposed to the urban culture in Toronto and in Memphis is crazy. And while he is the hottest in the game from 2013-2023, he has done more for hip hop than any other artist during that time. His success was what helped hip hop culture thrive. Remove your hate for Drake aside and see the bigger picture, DRAKE WAS THE CULTURE.
@jayfromdalower3795 I stand by what I said. But I appreciate your feedback. ✌🏾
i think drake became apart of the music culture once we started listing to his music and other artist started collabing with him. Its just that people love to hate this nigga i did too at one point, but that's how you get a convo like this, i feel like this was a topic before drake lost battle to kendrick
My guy doing the soft shoe around the culture topic 😂😂😂. I get it though.
Ey Troy, how you doing man?
im doing well. How are you? 🫡
The community or the people decide a culture. For instance, in hip hop, to engage in a rap battle and then (essentially) sue because of one of the songs is NOT a part of the hip-hop culture. Every one in the culture knows this. That is why we have never seen this type of behavior before.
He is not describing culture that way! He knows that Drake is black
He's is black, but he never act black until it was profitable
@@mrworkowt5419he’s been black his whole life he played the only black character on a all white show
@NileRoss answered your question of Black American Culrture
I think they are trying to say Drake is soft without actually saying he's soft that's it
He dropped the law suit
yea i just saw that
U just another grifter .... akademicks is a lame with a mic, but u
I swear it be mainly the consumers of hip hop who have these goofy ass conversations. Folks who never studied the craft and or created in the medium want to be gatekeepers so bad.
Drake makes rap songs. Somebody of the "culture" wouldnt have been upset at Control. Hence Cole Wale Meek etc reactions. What did they all say when asked how they felt about it? They said "i didnt take offence thats the CULTURE"
Drake is Pop Culture,, in my opinion Aubrey is not Hip Hop culture….. There wouldn’t be a law suit if Aubrey stood on Hip Hop culture and principles…. Respectfully
The culture of hip-hop is established by those that come before. Race doesn't have anything to do with hip-hop culture. To know it you have to talk to people engulfed in it. But I don't think culture is the "sole" reason Drake lost the battle. Kendrick just made the better disrespectful songs, mainly because he gave a foundation to every angle Kendrick was dissing him on. The allegations = already on the internet, Baka weird case = already on the internet, Masculinity issues = Duck face photos and jealous actions = already on the internet. I could go on but I feel it's that simple.
Says the guy that thinks WTD belongs in hip-hop, will never forget u saying dat goofy sh*t.
It's interesting that you jumped on this topic as a man that clearly speaks with articulation and intelligence. You clearly don't sound "urban" by his definition. 😂
guess im not from "the culture" lol oh well🤣
@@Top5Troyyou’re right!
Top5 talking about culture 😂😂 when it was said about Just The Dirt you didn’t like the word culture then😂
17:15 I think it’s over complicated and oversimplified simultaneously.
It’s not that he’s from a nice city and middle class upbringing alone. It’s that everything he does from a hip hop perspective is quite literally an act… hopping from wave to wave… mimicking different rap styles… having never truly established his own.
He was bar mitzvah’d and in early videos you see the boy who would become “the boy”. There’s NOTHING REMOTELY hip hop about him.
That ain’t the case for EMINEM N Nem or the Beastie Boys if you see footage of them away from the raps (you feel me?). That juxtaposition is what I believe G Malone’s pointing out. And you’re right… it is a moving target (at best)
It’s really one of those iykyk scenarios.
Also… look back… his earliest rap style was lifted from Phontae (Lil Brother) almost exactly. Drake even credits the aforementioned as one of his inspirations early on.
Then mix in all the lifted lyrics. Then the ghost writers. The picture should be clear for most interested in seeing it.
Drake has mimicked/ acted the rapper role to the top of hip hop cultural relevance… but without any true substance… he’s helpless in the face of a challenge that only substantive passion can overcome. Even in the wake of loss.
Aubrey is a Pop Star who can rap …. Respectfully; he is NOT Hip Hop …
The whole thing was agonizing...AK IQ gotta be low...🤦🏽♂️😂🤣
Lord finesse suing was corny. But one he wasn’t suing over a rap battle and two just because what he did was corny he’s still part of the culture lol not to mention Mac wasn’t none at the time and Finesse could have just not liked a white dude jumping on his beat.
Drake is suing over a rap battle he participated in compounded on top of everything else
He is not you sound just like academics not getting it it's culture like he said
This man understand culture! It’s just somebody who isn’t in it who he caping for just like Akademics caping for Drake!
This must be A TETHER channel 😂
To me Top5 not listening well enough
He just want to be on every point he says even though they saying the same thing smh
IMHO, the culture talk is actually a moot point and a small part of Kendrick’s criticism of Drake.
It was never about hip hop culture. People just running with that line from Euphoria. It was about Drake the person and his character.
100% agree
He’s right nas didn’t win that battle with jay z cause of lyrics..he won because Street urban culture rather hear you insult someone then be a lyrical genius. Witch nas is but he’s first song was Stillmatic that was the response to take over, but it didn’t go nowhere so he dropped the second song six months later Ether..and because Jay z was so commercial Street urban culture chose to cancel Jay z..go back and listen to ether carefully. All he doing is saying Jay got big lips and he’s gay. Nothing else.😂 and called him a camel like 6 times and the beat was fire the way it drop
This dude's basically saying Black Americans don't have a culture, that's why he acts obtuse. Remember, he doesn't just act this way about hip hop, he acts this way about black conversations as well.
If this was any other culture or subculture he wouldn't act this way.
That’s exactly right!
Please man! Stop reporting dj wackademicks
Lol you really like to lean into this pseudo-intellectual contrarian vibe, which is why I feel that you don’t really come into these sociopolitical discussions in good faith. Language is an abstraction to communicate ideas and qualia between distinct conscious experiences.
Culture is obviously a complex phenomenon to define/explain, but it’s still real and relevant. Skeptically nitpicking edge cases is technically valid, but unproductive causes no definition will be perfect; by discussing and defining examples of what is and isn’t culture, we can approximate a definition (like fitting a curve to discrete points to eventually get a more precise function).
Shout out to top5 great content bro🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯
You’re overthinking it.
He’s not, he’s being rational and logical.
they not thinking enough
Kendrick makes much deeper music than Drake, but it’s so obvious at this point that the Drake fan base is generally more intelligent than the average Kendrick fan. I’m sorry 😂
He never did bro
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Love the content but your opinion on culture will be thrown in your face. First with whats the dirt now u giving ak bail
I’m used to the mudslinging idc. Thank you for watching 🙏🏿
@ no doubt keep up the good content bro
I feel black culture is black culture hip hop culture is a part of some black culture, also hip hop culture by the original representation the pillars of hip hop has been dead since the 90s except the mc and djing so really is anyone in rap right now actually hip hop🤷🏾
u got philosophical right there
Great video, Troy.
I think culture needs a clear cut definition in this discussion because they were changing it to fit their argument whenever they needed to rather than sticking to one definition. Glasses Malone is weaponizing and trying to monetize off of the term culture. If Glasses Malone was actually having a conversation with someone who was live streaming, and was able to sit and think (like you) then he’d be called out on his hypocrisy multiple times.
They didn’t change shit. They were very clear. Get your ears cleaned out.
@ so aggressive lol
Culture is an extremely complex sociological phenomenon, there is no clear cut definition of any culture. Troy is obfuscating by leveraging the most tricky edge cases, but ultimately most folks have an intuitive understanding of culture based on experience. In Drake’s case, he lacks the linguistic, socioeconomic, racial, and interpersonal elements of BOTH black American and hip hop culture.
@@ChaseTDS Well, when people say stupid shit they deserve the most warranted response.
@@mannymengs Say that!! That’s how we know when people are of the culture and when they aren’t! Dumb takes like Troy and the OP.
Are you always purposely obtuse? Now you're trying to used right wing maga talking points from a grifter to prove your point... yikes
By G Malone's logic Tyler The Creator is not a part of hip hop culture either lol
DA CULLLLLCHA!
Tyler is from Hawthorne. That’s not the middle class suburbs. What are you talking about?
Hawthorne is middle class and Tyler is very much hip hop and the culture
Lord finesse suing was corny. But one he wasn’t suing over a rap battle and two just because what he did was corny he’s still part of the culture lol not to mention Mac wasn’t none at the time and Finesse could have just not liked a white dude jumping on his beat.
Drake is suing over a rap battle he participated in compounded on top of everything else