****CLICK READ MORE**** Links to what I used in my video thanks for watching Kill-A-Watt EZ meter amzn.to/3pUqVOO MR Cool heat pump amzn.to/3le0DVe Good extension cord 9 ft amzn.to/2J5klEs Smart strip 7 outlets amzn.to/2Kspffe Thank you very much for watching and God bless *Full transparency. I am a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for me to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
Thanks for all your help with the Harman pellet stoves Jim. I was able to solve the constant shutting down problem (the back was so dirty it covered up fan openings with dust) and I even replaced the combustion motor, not a fun job but I got it! After 15 years it seized up so it owed me nothing. Seeing you do things I did them too, without that I'd be lost so thank you so much, I'm toasty warm again. 👍🏻
Im so glad I found this vid. I never gave these heaters a thought, until lately. This answers so many of the questions I had and you make it very clear. Takes the mystery away. Thank you for making this and all the effort you put into it. We appreciate more than you may think. God Bless 😊
Subscribed!! Great vid. I’ve used a kilowatt meter for years. I know what my bell receiver runs right down to my 6.0l Powerstroke block heaters. I just purchased used Kozi 100. Tag reads 1992. Sat for many many years in guys garage. I took home. Blew it all out. Used the pellets that were still in it and test ran it. Ran flawlessly, we exhaust motor abit squeaky, but other than that old school electronics in it. No igniter. So I’ll run a kilowatt test on it to compare to the modern ones. Probably be very close imo. Interesting thing, and I’ve burned wood in my “Wood Chief” stove in the YamaCave for 22years, is that when I went to a pellet stove dealer here in Winnipeg MB To get some advice and piping ect. Turned out it was the actual manufacturer. Was an amazing experience. All parts are in stock (always) even for my old beast because they haven’t changed since the begging. Some tweaks. So I got my parts. Great advice AND a tour of the place. Ill burn off the old pellets (guy said it sat for 10years) then based on the advice of manufacturer get different bags of pellets to see what suits my needs best. She said hardwood vs soft wood makes big difference. Box store pellets have lots of bonding crap in it they stoves don’t like. Anyways thanks for the vid. I’ll post here my results once the weather cools down see what I use.
Helpful video, it was good to see your 24-h kWh numbers match up to my calculations. It'd be cool to see a video on battery + inverter back-ups for your Harman!
I thought about making a inverter and battery backup video but my electricity never goes out. I have a couple solar generators that is really just a big battery with a inverter. Thanks for watching
I have an American Harvest 6039 pellet stove and always wondered how much i'm actually saving by running it. I usually have it on a lower setting so a 40lb bag of wood pellets lasts 26 hours +/-. Do most of the pellet stoves use about the same amount of Watts?
I did everything that u did and on startup I was reading 350 to 380 watts then after the start up it was around 60 to 110 watts. I do run my stove on manual after its lit because I have it in my basement and as soon as the fire goes out its lighting again so i just leave it run and i only use 3 ton a year. Harman P61
That's good maybe I should have bought the P61 sounds like I would use less electricity and burn less Pellets. Thanks for the info and thanks for watching.
@@DIYJIM Im not sure if the p61 to p68 uses different fans Im pretty sure that they have the same cfm blowers 135 I believe. the fan for the burn pot Im not sure about but I do know that the p68 has a wider burn pot and I think that is the only difference. I run mine at feed rate of 4, temp is at 3.5 and in manual mode with fan set in the middle. 2017 model year. I kept my kill a watt meter in it for the past week and still the same. Im wondering if a fan on urs is wearing out causing it to use more power maybe the auger Im not sure could be anything Im guessing..
Another great video! I've been an electrician for almost 30 years and I've never done this, but was just thinking about doing it! BTW, my P68 has been running constantly for a week with no issues. 🤫
My P-68 has been running continuously since October with no issues. It has been colder than -15 the past few days and the highs have been below zero and it is the sole source of heat in my house with only a 4 degree temperature variation throughout the entire house . I have a Surefire 512 pure sine wave inverter/charger and a 200 amp deep cycle battery for power backup in case of a power outage. Love my P-68.
How long will your stove run on the battery back up ? I have a harmen P38 and i was lookig at a 200 watt solar panel kit anda 100ah lithium battery with a 2000 watt inverter. @captainkangaroo4301
Good video Jim! I've always wondered how bad the electrical use was. Its not as bad as i would think and my KH hour price is about the same as yours. Thanks for video and this is a great idea for something for pellet stove owners to use.
That seems like a lot of power. My eco-choice 35000 btu stove only uses 130 watts while running. It does use 3.1 amps to start but only stays on for about 5 minutes.
That took considerably more power than I thought it would, Jim. Until today, I didn't realize that the ghastly expensive pellet stoves used AC fans. That must be what your constant 350-400W draw is. I was looking at a Castle pellet stove and it was only 69.8% efficient. (My Carrier Infinity nat gas furnace is 97.5% efficient and I'm looking for backups in case the power goes and stays out. It won't be the Castle Serenity.)
Thank you for your videos Jim! The moment the Harmon stove switch is placed in ROOM/STOVE TEMP in the AUTO igniter mode, the igniter draws full current 350W. As you saw, the distribution fans and hopper cycling pellets draws current depending on where you set ROOM/STOVE temp of about 60 additional watts. I've seen suggestions in forums to put the Igniter switch in MANUAL as soon as you get a steady flame so that the igniter will turn off and stay off. You can leave it in MANUAL until you run out of pellets to save the igniter lifespan and electricity. I think if you were to do this test again over 24hrs you will have a different result and cost savings. Take care.
I bought a P61A that I haven't used yet. I was considering it for a small house 192 s.f. with loft barn shed basically. Anyway was thinking of making that off grid but these do pull a lot of juice for a battery system I would think. Bottom line I am just going to put in the Heatilator WS18 that's sitting around along with so much darn firewood now I don't want to buy pellets either. Your analysis (pun intended) was spot on basically it seems the auger turns faster to use more electricity in the short run in the long run the margin might narrow as your temp upstairs control makes the downstairs up and down moreso on high fire. If that all made sense you are a better man than I.
Thanks for watching I think you’re right burning wood for off grid is the only way to go. Did you see my Titan solar system generator it would work awesome for what you’re doing ua-cam.com/video/iuNVYSNSYW4/v-deo.html
375 watts is the same as 0.375 kilowatts. So, if it stays there for an hour, you use 0.375 KwH. If you do that during 24 hours, your total of Kw used will be around 9 Kw. Exactly what your meter indicated. Multiply 9 Kw X 0.04$ = 0.36$ a day... really not expensive isn't it? 😁 By the way, thank for your videos, they are helpfull! I have the exact same stove. And I have a John Deere D140 and I learned a lot from your tractor serie! 😁 Have a nivce day, and thanks again! 😄
I fired my new stove up the other day for an outside burn-in and on high, the stove top gets well over 200F. Closer to 300F on some spots if I remember correctly. Not sure what low through high stove burner temps are though.
Have you ever had a power outage while your stove was running? If so do you have backup power? Is your stove plugged in to a wall surge protector or maybe do you have whole house surge protection.?? A month ago during a cool wet rain storm I lost power for 4 hrs while the stove was on what was going to be the last use for the season..Then the power came on and it blew the circuit board.I since replaced it and my Harman p43 runs again.I had the stove plugged in to a wall surge protector and it failed.I am looking for backup battery power now that would run the stove for 4 hours or so and a good wall surge protector.Your help appreciated....
I'm jealous of your 4 cents/kwh. Long Island NY our rate is at least 24 cents/kwh aka six times as much. My pellet stove is still cheaper than heating oil though.
This uses more electricity than I expected, kind of bummed to find out that at around .04 per kW hr this costs around $30 to run per month. I just got a P68 that I need to finish connecting the vent pipe on. I had done a rough guesstimate that I'd still come out ahead burning pellets vs just running heat pumps. Now I'm not sure. Last month was my first full month in my new house running with a 59k BTU woodstove, w/ a blower and two fans, plus central air fan running on low for air circulation almost 24/7. My electric bill was just over $170. I think it was around $220 in January with running only heat pumps for the first week and a half. I need to collect data and crunch numbers. I'm guessing I'll still probably come out ahead, not sure how much though. Pellet/wood heat as primary definitely provides more warmth/comfort than just heat pumps alone though. I live in the DC metro area of VA.
I have 3 ductless heat pumps and i still run them when it is not to cold i think is is still cheeper than my pellet stove, plus i do not have to buy as much pellets. Thanks for watching
My house is in VA near NC and been thinking of a pellet stove for my basement but not sure now . I had my modular house overbuilt for VA with 2 x6 walls with roxul rockwool and attic and floors insulated but my hobby shop is in the basement and not heated , so far electric bill for my house is less than 100 dollars a month . The house is 2440 sq ft and we are seniors and like t warm in our house . summer air is the same as winter set it for 76 on wifi thermostat and keep it there . But the basement is not heated outside walls are insulated but it gets chilly down there . I thought insulating the floors an the walls in the basement would help keep the temperature even but nope . Slab is insulated but with no heat it gets chilly
@@sissymurphy9620 The insulation in your basement helps slow heat loss, not prevent it completely. So if you have no heat directed to the basement, it will naturally cool over time. The amount of heat reaching the basement through the main floor is just less that the heat loss through the basement walls and slab even though they are insulated. Seems odd that your basement has not HVAC ducts, I've not seen that, even in unfinished basements. A pellet stove might still be worth it for your comfort. Depending on efficiency and model, it may not need to run that much if your basement is as well insulated as you say. At this point, I have my Harmon set on temp mode to maintain a set temperature. When the temps are above 40 degrees, I set the pellet stove to approx. 71 degrees to prevent the basement from getting too cool. When temps drop below 40, I set the pellet stove temp to maintain around 75 degrees and leave the basement door open and turn the first floor HVAC circulation fan on that draws heated return air from the pellet stove. This greatly reduces the amount of time that the heat pump has to run when it does rarely kick on in increasingly inefficient outside temps.
@@chris2790 In VA with a heat pump they never put the heat pumps in the basements of modular homes . The heat and air units come installed in a closet which I hate . The basement is 2440 sq. ft and I did try to solve the heat loss by insulating the basement walls inside and outside , But no heat means the chill in the basement can get worse by the end of Feb. . But stays cool most of the summer and finally said I want either a wood stove or a pellet stove since pellet stoves can be direct vent with no long ugli chimney . My fireplace does pull in fresh air from the basement . The fireplace is a unit called vexar and seems to be standard in modular home . My floors are insulated with what is called a belly pan ,which is normal for double wides , singe wides and modular homes . The belly pan insulates the ductwork from crawl spaces and for the shipping of the home . I had a full basement put under my modular home . Cost and time were not on my side when I retired from NJ as my house sold there in 1 day and my modular house was only 89 thousand delivered and set up included with all appliances and heat pump included . I have been looking at brands of pellet stoves and which is better . reviews on them and people on youtube that have them pro's and con's on each brand . What brand pellet stove and how many bags of pellets do you use . I figure pellets would be way easier fr me to move and store THANK YOU FOR INFO SO FAR
@@sissymurphy9620 Glad to help, sorry so late replying. I don't pay close attention to notifications. So, I have a Harman P68C. I chose this model because when I moved into this house a year ago, it had a Buck Model 81 wood stove that I believe is rated at 58k BTUs. I was able to use it to keep the air at the basement air handler return (it services the basement and first floor) at 80 degrees Fahrenheit and that was doing a good job at reducing the amount of time that my heat pump ran. I don't have time to mess with a woodstove, so I wanted a pellet stove that was at least the same BTU output as the woodstove. The only thing I found currently on the market for the highest BTU is the Harman P68C. They used to say it put out 68k BTU based on some calculation that they no long use, and actual output is just over 53k BTU. If I cranked it to the max, I have no doubt I could get the air return temps at least 80 deg. I need to modify my basement air return to be closer to the stove and get better efficiency upstairs, but even as is, it helps keep the heat pump run time to around 50% on the coldest days in the 20s, and even lower runtimes when outside temps are in the 30s. My house is just under 22k square foot, two finished levels, plus a partial basement. No insulation in the basement with cinderblock walls, built in 1988. The insulation in the upstairs finished area seems adequate. I use approximately one 40lb bag of pellets when the stove runs up to 15 hours a day (overnight) and temps during that time don't get much below 30. When it gets down to upper teens over night and the stove runs 24 hours as it has in the past week or so, I can use up to 2 bags in that 24 hour time. I expect to use between 2 and 2.5 tons of pellets this heating season. It sounds like you just need heat in your basement, so you wouldn't need as big a stove as the P68C. I have nothing bad to say about the Harman P series of stove, I would recommend them, or Harman in general based on my experience so far. You would probably want a pellet stove that has a room temperature mode like the Harman P-series has. I'm not sure if other harmans feature room temperature modes or if other brands do for that matter. From what you're saying, I'd expect a smaller (Harman) stove running in room temp mode would not use a lot of pellets at all. If you do decide to get a pellet stove, I'd recommend considering have the direct vent installed with an outside air kit. But try find a reputable dealer near your place and tell them what you're trying to accomplish. Wish you the best!
I have this argument at work at least once a year been burning pellets since 06 when it was hard to get wood because they were selling chip to power plants and lumber was going nuts.lately I hear the most"I burn oil now it's cost the same as pellets" wrong everyone says 68' oil 70-75' pellets. If your cold with pellets turn it up and burn pretty much the same amount of pellets you bump that oil furnace up to 75' and you'll be screaming each time they fill up the tank. I've always bought green wood and have a air tight stove 6-8 cords a year. They dump it I stack it....bring it in house re stack it. Clean the floor put into stove 3 times a day, sweep the floor 3 times a day. I burn 4-5tons on a bad winter at 249 ton delivered in my shed pre buy in March. I go outside grab a bag dump it in stove once a day throw bag away no mess. Once a week quick vacuum stove harman XXV. With Wood stove would clean at least twice a week and chimney a few times a year. I haven't burnt wood since 06 and don't miss it.
Agree burning pellets is much easier and cleaner and if I am going to go away I can turn it down and it will burn two days. I do not know any wood stove that do that. Thank you for your comment.
The only thing you are controlling with that knob is the distribution blower speed. With it on low it will stay on low until the stove temperature goes up. The blower speed goes up proportionally. With the knob on high the blower speed is always high no matter what the stove temperature is. At least thats how it works on my P61 Harman.
Great video! I have same P68. How do you keep your glass clean? Technician recommended to clean with newspaper only. It works fine, but mine gets dusty when stove heats up. Thanks for your input!
Wet paper towel with a drop of dish soap scrubs and wipe dry. If it’s really dirty a utility blade will take off anything that does not easily come off with the blade
using the same meter on my Harman P68 with all motors running,combustion,distribution,auger, not igniter,120watts hr 2.9 kw/24hr if using 350-400 watts one of the motors in drawing excessive energy ,should be isolated replaced
Far cheaper than an LP Fired furnace. Even FAR cheaper than and oil fired furnace, and that includes the pellets. Just installed a Comfort Bilt and 6 days later with temps in the teens at night, used a bag and a half to keep the place warm. I don't know about the Harmon, but mine will completely shut off when not needed, cycles like the furnace does. The temp is taken at floor level, and have it set to 63, at chest level the temp is 68-70, very comfortable.
100% agree I looked into LP Gas because it would be very easy but would cost a lot more. My Harman also shuts itself down when it reaches the set temp. Wish it could just burn slower. Thanks for watching
When my stove is up and running on low setting it draws roughly .143 watts per hour. Multiply that by 31 days 106.4 kw at .095 cents per kilowatt hour. Costs me (with having to re-light after cleaning) around $15 a month. $6.50 per bag of pellets (maximum 1 bag per day) $201. So roughly $216 per month to heat my house. Yep not going to complain with that! Lol
Seems to use less then I would have thought. Iam try to convince the wife to put one in our basement. we have heat pumps up stairs. And a dumb oil furnace in basement which I hate and it's only there for back up heat if needed. But I think a pellet stove would be nice and maybe even keep floors warm. Any way great video
Did you see my other 15 other videos on my pellet stove I have a couple that I think you would watch. ua-cam.com/play/PLZEGsnRsdHN5OBGSj2h0bNAqFjsPyroG9.html
If you can put the pellet stove in your living space- much nicer. We like the ambiance of the flames and the direct warmth of the radiant heat. The blower noise isn't too bad after you get used to it. 😀
No I have not maybe only run a couple hours and turn off an hour. Do not just unplug to turn off because the Stove Has to go through a shut down procedure so your room does not fill up with smoke. That’s what I am going to do if I ever have to run it off my solar generator. Let me know if you figure something else out. Thanks for watching
I'm back ... I ran on kill-a-watt meter ... older model. Ran on high slightly over 25hrs ... just under 2.9kw/h ... I think having a high chimney for a stronger air draw will reduce power consumption.
GET ECO FANS THEY USE THE HEAT FROM THE STOVE TO BLOW THE WARM AIR AROUND . The major problem is if your power goes out so does your pellet stove . The epic ice storm left us without power for over 5 days . I wonder if other brands of pellet stoves use less energy to run them . I am going to research this because I am considering a pellet stove for my basement
On your stove 1.The high/low setting is pointless. The T’stat controls the stove which not only controls the temp but the high/low as well and even the auger feed rate since heat is generated by fuel consumption. 2. As for the igniter the second you turned the stove on the igniter is on. You’re burning a dry pellet not a gas vapor so constant heat is needed to achieve combustion temperature. 3. If I’m not mistaken pellet stoves have either 2 separate fans or a dual function fan ( one is exhaust/air wash this gets the stove burning and up to temperature. The other is heat distribution which expels heat from the heat tubes into the room. ) so as the igniter turns off because combustion temp has been achieved the distribution fan kicks on, the exhaust/air wash is also regulated by the stoves demands. Pellet stoves are complex machines and do very many things simultaneously for you as the centuries old wood stove require human interaction to do many of the functions. Ohms law total watts divided by voltage equals amperage or amperage multiplied by voltage equals total wattage. However the figures are speculative since not all homes have the actual voltage this can vary greatly between 110VAC to as high as 130VAC in the same house. Depending on distribution voltage from the meter to breaker then from breaker to outlet. As the distance increases and the AWG of the load carrying conductor you can get 15% drop in voltage. To further complicate matters depending on when the house was wired you can have an imbalance to have an additional 5% drop. This is why extension cords aren’t made over 100’
Wow long comment thanks you for trying to explain that so everyone could understand. I just tried to make a simple video so everyone could understand. Thanks for watching hope you thought it was OK
My Drolet 45 is drawing about 100watts on regular fan, with fan at High about 130watts, during the ignit phase it goes up to 318watts. January i did average 3kWh per day for total 76.854 kWh Here is weekly mrda.ca/images/pellet-wk.jpg and the Monthly average mrda.ca/images/pellet-jan.jpg
@@CentralNH depends a lot where you are, way less than 200 a cord in michigan, by me, and the more you buy the cheaper the price is. And it gets really cheap if you buy a semi of 8 foot logs, you cut and split.
ON THE LOW SETTING. if it uses 8.69kw in 24 hours that = 260.7 kw per 30 days. thats CRAZY to electric charges. depends on what your paying per kw. say 22 cents a kw (now a days "Biden prices") = $57.2 a month in power consumption??? now if it was BEFORE " BIDEN PRICES " it WAS 4 cents a KW = $10.40 a month????? Ya go figure????? just saying.. also i was (key word WAS) paying $4.50 a 40lbs bag of pellets.. WOW ITS NOW $7. a bag... WTF......
****CLICK READ MORE****
Links to what I used in my video thanks for watching
Kill-A-Watt EZ meter amzn.to/3pUqVOO
MR Cool heat pump amzn.to/3le0DVe
Good extension cord 9 ft amzn.to/2J5klEs
Smart strip 7 outlets amzn.to/2Kspffe
Thank you very much for watching and God bless
*Full transparency. I am a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for me to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
We run our pellet stove until we go to bed and only run it when we are home during the day. Nice heat and we love a nice fire.
Thanks for watching
Thanks for all your help with the Harman pellet stoves Jim. I was able to solve the constant shutting down problem (the back was so dirty it covered up fan openings with dust) and I even replaced the combustion motor, not a fun job but I got it! After 15 years it seized up so it owed me nothing. Seeing you do things I did them too, without that I'd be lost so thank you so much, I'm toasty warm again. 👍🏻
Glad to help, thanks for watching
Im so glad I found this vid. I never gave these heaters a thought, until lately. This answers so many of the questions I had and you make it very clear. Takes the mystery away. Thank you for making this and all the effort you put into it. We appreciate more than you may think. God Bless 😊
Glad I could help thanks for watching
Subscribed!! Great vid. I’ve used a kilowatt meter for years. I know what my bell receiver runs right down to my 6.0l Powerstroke block heaters.
I just purchased used Kozi 100. Tag reads 1992. Sat for many many years in guys garage. I took home. Blew it all out. Used the pellets that were still in it and test ran it. Ran flawlessly, we exhaust motor abit squeaky, but other than that old school electronics in it. No igniter. So I’ll run a kilowatt test on it to compare to the modern ones. Probably be very close imo.
Interesting thing, and I’ve burned wood in my “Wood Chief” stove in the YamaCave for 22years, is that when I went to a pellet stove dealer here in Winnipeg MB To get some advice and piping ect. Turned out it was the actual manufacturer. Was an amazing experience. All parts are in stock (always) even for my old beast because they haven’t changed since the begging. Some tweaks.
So I got my parts. Great advice AND a tour of the place. Ill burn off the old pellets (guy said it sat for 10years) then based on the advice of manufacturer get different bags of pellets to see what suits my needs best. She said hardwood vs soft wood makes big difference. Box store pellets have lots of bonding crap in it they stoves don’t like.
Anyways thanks for the vid. I’ll post here my results once the weather cools down see what I use.
Cool like to see the results Thanks for watching and thanks for subscribing
Helpful video, it was good to see your 24-h kWh numbers match up to my calculations. It'd be cool to see a video on battery + inverter back-ups for your Harman!
I thought about making a inverter and battery backup video but my electricity never goes out. I have a couple solar generators that is really just a big battery with a inverter. Thanks for watching
My kill wat meter is lower ...
ua-cam.com/video/fbb91A0bWpU/v-deo.html
Always great information that we can and have used. Many thanks!
Thanks again
I have an American Harvest 6039 pellet stove and always wondered how much i'm actually saving by running it. I usually have it on a lower setting so a 40lb bag of wood pellets lasts 26 hours +/-. Do most of the pellet stoves use about the same amount of Watts?
Sorry I have never owned any other pellet stove. Really do not know. Thanks for watching
I did everything that u did and on startup I was reading 350 to 380 watts then after the start up it was around 60 to 110 watts. I do run my stove on manual after its lit because I have it in my basement and as soon as the fire goes out its lighting again so i just leave it run and i only use 3 ton a year. Harman P61
That's good maybe I should have bought the P61 sounds like I would use less electricity and burn less Pellets. Thanks for the info and thanks for watching.
@@DIYJIM Im not sure if the p61 to p68 uses different fans Im pretty sure that they have the same cfm blowers 135 I believe. the fan for the burn pot Im not sure about but I do know that the p68 has a wider burn pot and I think that is the only difference. I run mine at feed rate of 4, temp is at 3.5 and in manual mode with fan set in the middle. 2017 model year. I kept my kill a watt meter in it for the past week and still the same. Im wondering if a fan on urs is wearing out causing it to use more power maybe the auger Im not sure could be anything Im guessing..
Another great video! I've been an electrician for almost 30 years and I've never done this, but was just thinking about doing it! BTW, my P68 has been running constantly for a week with no issues. 🤫
Thanks Tim
glad your stove has been running good
My P-68 has been running continuously since October with no issues. It has been colder than -15 the past few days and the highs have been below zero and it is the sole source of heat in my house with only a 4 degree temperature variation throughout the entire house . I have a Surefire 512 pure sine wave inverter/charger and a 200 amp deep cycle battery for power backup in case of a power outage. Love my P-68.
How long will your stove run on the battery back up ? I have a harmen P38 and i was lookig at a 200 watt solar panel kit anda 100ah lithium battery with a 2000 watt inverter. @captainkangaroo4301
Good video Jim! I've always wondered how bad the electrical use was. Its not as bad as i would think and my KH hour price is about the same as yours. Thanks for video and this is a great idea for something for pellet stove owners to use.
Canada we get carbon, tax provincial tax, service tax and federal tax. $150 electric usage is about $350 total. Bill.
thank you
holy smokes, my electric bill every month is around $120 sometimes lower. I thought we were bad here with Taxes lol
@@DIYJIM Latest bill. 1316KWH @ 0.0629$/KWH - $88.68 USE - Distributiion charge $54, transmisison charge $52.30, rate rider $8.65, access fee. $19.28. TOTAL, $234.89.
Wow
Your video was a get help. I was just wondering what that expense would be. Thnx
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching
That seems like a lot of power. My eco-choice 35000 btu stove only uses 130 watts while running. It does use 3.1 amps to start but only stays on for about 5 minutes.
I kind of thought the same thing but that is the stove i have
That took considerably more power than I thought it would, Jim. Until today, I didn't realize that the ghastly expensive pellet stoves used AC fans. That must be what your constant 350-400W draw is. I was looking at a Castle pellet stove and it was only 69.8% efficient. (My Carrier Infinity nat gas furnace is 97.5% efficient and I'm looking for backups in case the power goes and stays out. It won't be the Castle Serenity.)
I thought the same thing uses more power than I would have guessed
Yep. Always check out a backup method for heating.
Don’t really want to know what my maxim m250 pellet boiler use’s along with all the circulation pumps and furnace fan 😬
sure it is more, thanks for watching
Thank you for your videos Jim! The moment the Harmon stove switch is placed in ROOM/STOVE TEMP in the AUTO igniter mode, the igniter draws full current 350W. As you saw, the distribution fans and hopper cycling pellets draws current depending on where you set ROOM/STOVE temp of about 60 additional watts. I've seen suggestions in forums to put the Igniter switch in MANUAL as soon as you get a steady flame so that the igniter will turn off and stay off. You can leave it in MANUAL until you run out of pellets to save the igniter lifespan and electricity. I think if you were to do this test again over 24hrs you will have a different result and cost savings. Take care.
I have tried that but then I burn a lot more pellets. Thanks for watching
Hi can pellet stoves work in a total area blackout? Or do they always need electric power to work?
Always need electricity
I bought a P61A that I haven't used yet. I was considering it for a small house 192 s.f. with loft barn shed basically. Anyway was thinking of making that off grid but these do pull a lot of juice for a battery system I would think. Bottom line I am just going to put in the Heatilator WS18 that's sitting around along with so much darn firewood now I don't want to buy pellets either. Your analysis (pun intended) was spot on basically it seems the auger turns faster to use more electricity in the short run in the long run the margin might narrow as your temp upstairs control makes the downstairs up and down moreso on high fire. If that all made sense you are a better man than I.
Thanks for watching I think you’re right burning wood for off grid is the only way to go. Did you see my Titan solar system generator it would work awesome for what you’re doing ua-cam.com/video/iuNVYSNSYW4/v-deo.html
375 watts is the same as 0.375 kilowatts. So, if it stays there for an hour, you use 0.375 KwH. If you do that during 24 hours, your total of Kw used will be around 9 Kw. Exactly what your meter indicated. Multiply 9 Kw X 0.04$ = 0.36$ a day... really not expensive isn't it? 😁 By the way, thank for your videos, they are helpfull! I have the exact same stove. And I have a John Deere D140 and I learned a lot from your tractor serie! 😁
Have a nivce day, and thanks again! 😄
Your good with numbers Frank thanks for watching and glad you like my videos. Have a good day Sir. Stay safe
Jim, how did you program your Kil-a-watt meter? You need to program the cost of a kilowatt hour into the meter.
I show more in this video. Hope this helps
ua-cam.com/video/u-46Xy53bJo/v-deo.html
Thanks for all the info
No problem 👍
Hello. I have an Amaizablaze 7100 corn stove. It has two motors, and I've never noticed much extra energy consumption, over the winter months.
Sounds like you have a good stove
@@DIYJIM Keep up your wonderful, and interesting videos please!
Can you cook on the top of the stove or make tea?
I do put water on top to help put humidity back in the air but not sure if you could make tea definitely can not cook. Thanks for watching
I fired my new stove up the other day for an outside burn-in and on high, the stove top gets well over 200F. Closer to 300F on some spots if I remember correctly. Not sure what low through high stove burner temps are though.
@@chris2790 just checked my stove top the highest i was getting was 340F the sides were over 500F thanks for commenting Chris
Have you ever had a power outage while your stove was running? If so do you have backup power? Is your stove plugged in to a wall surge protector or maybe do you have whole house surge protection.?? A month ago during a cool wet rain storm I lost power for 4 hrs while the stove was on what was going to be the last use for the season..Then the power came on and it blew the circuit board.I since replaced it and my Harman p43 runs again.I had the stove plugged in to a wall surge protector and it failed.I am looking for backup battery power now that would run the stove for 4 hours or so and a good wall surge protector.Your help appreciated....
My electricity has only went out once since I lived here. I am plugged into a surge protector.
I'm jealous of your 4 cents/kwh.
Long Island NY our rate is at least 24 cents/kwh aka six times as much.
My pellet stove is still cheaper than heating oil though.
Thanks for watching stay warm
Nice job
Thanks and thanks for watching
This uses more electricity than I expected, kind of bummed to find out that at around .04 per kW hr this costs around $30 to run per month. I just got a P68 that I need to finish connecting the vent pipe on. I had done a rough guesstimate that I'd still come out ahead burning pellets vs just running heat pumps. Now I'm not sure. Last month was my first full month in my new house running with a 59k BTU woodstove, w/ a blower and two fans, plus central air fan running on low for air circulation almost 24/7. My electric bill was just over $170. I think it was around $220 in January with running only heat pumps for the first week and a half. I need to collect data and crunch numbers. I'm guessing I'll still probably come out ahead, not sure how much though. Pellet/wood heat as primary definitely provides more warmth/comfort than just heat pumps alone though. I live in the DC metro area of VA.
I have 3 ductless heat pumps and i still run them when it is not to cold i think is is still cheeper than my pellet stove, plus i do not have to buy as much pellets. Thanks for watching
My house is in VA near NC and been thinking of a pellet stove for my basement but not sure now . I had my modular house overbuilt for VA with 2 x6 walls with roxul rockwool and attic and floors insulated but my hobby shop is in the basement and not heated , so far electric bill for my house is less than 100 dollars a month . The house is 2440 sq ft and we are seniors and like t warm in our house . summer air is the same as winter set it for 76 on wifi thermostat and keep it there . But the basement is not heated outside walls are insulated but it gets chilly down there . I thought insulating the floors an the walls in the basement would help keep the temperature even but nope . Slab is insulated but with no heat it gets chilly
@@sissymurphy9620 The insulation in your basement helps slow heat loss, not prevent it completely. So if you have no heat directed to the basement, it will naturally cool over time. The amount of heat reaching the basement through the main floor is just less that the heat loss through the basement walls and slab even though they are insulated.
Seems odd that your basement has not HVAC ducts, I've not seen that, even in unfinished basements.
A pellet stove might still be worth it for your comfort. Depending on efficiency and model, it may not need to run that much if your basement is as well insulated as you say.
At this point, I have my Harmon set on temp mode to maintain a set temperature. When the temps are above 40 degrees, I set the pellet stove to approx. 71 degrees to prevent the basement from getting too cool. When temps drop below 40, I set the pellet stove temp to maintain around 75 degrees and leave the basement door open and turn the first floor HVAC circulation fan on that draws heated return air from the pellet stove. This greatly reduces the amount of time that the heat pump has to run when it does rarely kick on in increasingly inefficient outside temps.
@@chris2790 In VA with a heat pump they never put the heat pumps in the basements of modular homes . The heat and air units come installed in a closet which I hate . The basement is 2440 sq. ft and I did try to solve the heat loss by insulating the basement walls inside and outside , But no heat means the chill in the basement can get worse by the end of Feb. . But stays cool most of the summer and finally said I want either a wood stove or a pellet stove since pellet stoves can be direct vent with no long ugli chimney . My fireplace does pull in fresh air from the basement . The fireplace is a unit called vexar and seems to be standard in modular home . My floors are insulated with what is called a belly pan ,which is normal for double wides , singe wides and modular homes . The belly pan insulates the ductwork from crawl spaces and for the shipping of the home . I had a full basement put under my modular home . Cost and time were not on my side when I retired from NJ as my house sold there in 1 day and my modular house was only 89 thousand delivered and set up included with all appliances and heat pump included . I have been looking at brands of pellet stoves and which is better . reviews on them and people on youtube that have them pro's and con's on each brand . What brand pellet stove and how many bags of pellets do you use . I figure pellets would be way easier fr me to move and store THANK YOU FOR INFO SO FAR
@@sissymurphy9620 Glad to help, sorry so late replying. I don't pay close attention to notifications.
So, I have a Harman P68C. I chose this model because when I moved into this house a year ago, it had a Buck Model 81 wood stove that I believe is rated at 58k BTUs. I was able to use it to keep the air at the basement air handler return (it services the basement and first floor) at 80 degrees Fahrenheit and that was doing a good job at reducing the amount of time that my heat pump ran. I don't have time to mess with a woodstove, so I wanted a pellet stove that was at least the same BTU output as the woodstove. The only thing I found currently on the market for the highest BTU is the Harman P68C. They used to say it put out 68k BTU based on some calculation that they no long use, and actual output is just over 53k BTU. If I cranked it to the max, I have no doubt I could get the air return temps at least 80 deg. I need to modify my basement air return to be closer to the stove and get better efficiency upstairs, but even as is, it helps keep the heat pump run time to around 50% on the coldest days in the 20s, and even lower runtimes when outside temps are in the 30s.
My house is just under 22k square foot, two finished levels, plus a partial basement. No insulation in the basement with cinderblock walls, built in 1988. The insulation in the upstairs finished area seems adequate.
I use approximately one 40lb bag of pellets when the stove runs up to 15 hours a day (overnight) and temps during that time don't get much below 30. When it gets down to upper teens over night and the stove runs 24 hours as it has in the past week or so, I can use up to 2 bags in that 24 hour time. I expect to use between 2 and 2.5 tons of pellets this heating season.
It sounds like you just need heat in your basement, so you wouldn't need as big a stove as the P68C. I have nothing bad to say about the Harman P series of stove, I would recommend them, or Harman in general based on my experience so far. You would probably want a pellet stove that has a room temperature mode like the Harman P-series has. I'm not sure if other harmans feature room temperature modes or if other brands do for that matter.
From what you're saying, I'd expect a smaller (Harman) stove running in room temp mode would not use a lot of pellets at all. If you do decide to get a pellet stove, I'd recommend considering have the direct vent installed with an outside air kit. But try find a reputable dealer near your place and tell them what you're trying to accomplish. Wish you the best!
So is that a smoke stack or is there one that doesn't have a smoke stack
All pellet stoves exhaust outside
I have this argument at work at least once a year been burning pellets since 06 when it was hard to get wood because they were selling chip to power plants and lumber was going nuts.lately I hear the most"I burn oil now it's cost the same as pellets" wrong everyone says 68' oil 70-75' pellets. If your cold with pellets turn it up and burn pretty much the same amount of pellets you bump that oil furnace up to 75' and you'll be screaming each time they fill up the tank. I've always bought green wood and have a air tight stove 6-8 cords a year. They dump it I stack it....bring it in house re stack it. Clean the floor put into stove 3 times a day, sweep the floor 3 times a day. I burn 4-5tons on a bad winter at 249 ton delivered in my shed pre buy in March. I go outside grab a bag dump it in stove once a day throw bag away no mess. Once a week quick vacuum stove harman XXV. With Wood stove would clean at least twice a week and chimney a few times a year. I haven't burnt wood since 06 and don't miss it.
Agree burning pellets is much easier and cleaner and if I am going to go away I can turn it down and it will burn two days. I do not know any wood stove that do that. Thank you for your comment.
l have the same stove, l use about the same amount of pellets. l vacuum about every other week, l don't think that hurts it a bit.
Good to know, now I can kinda have what my bill pet month is going to be
Glad I could help. I never notice a change, because normally I turn one thing off and turn another on. Thanks for watching
What's the model #. We're do you purchase the pellets at best price
I have a Harman P68 and I have bought my pellets in bloomsburg Stoltz stoves and montoursville Elery Nau and Coles in Muncy
Great video, I'm scrathing my head for this, is it safe to leave the house for the day with it burning
Sure is I have been using my Harman for about 9 years. I always leave my house with it burning.
The only thing you are controlling with that knob is the distribution blower speed. With it on low it will stay on low until the stove temperature goes up. The blower speed goes up proportionally. With the knob on high the blower speed is always high no matter what the stove temperature is. At least thats how it works on my P61 Harman.
Agree, thanks for watching
Great video! I have same P68. How do you keep your glass clean? Technician recommended to clean with newspaper only. It works fine, but mine gets dusty when stove heats up. Thanks for your input!
I don’t my glass seems to get dusty in a day or two. I cleaned it right before the video
Wet paper towel with a drop of dish soap scrubs and wipe dry. If it’s really dirty a utility blade will take off anything that does not easily come off with the blade
Take a wet paper towel and dip it in the ash and wipe it with that.
using the same meter on my Harman P68
with all motors running,combustion,distribution,auger, not igniter,120watts hr 2.9 kw/24hr if using 350-400 watts one of the motors in drawing excessive energy ,should be isolated replaced
Thanks for watching
Semper Fi 🇺🇸
Hooah thanks for watching
Far cheaper than an LP Fired furnace. Even FAR cheaper than and oil fired furnace, and that includes the pellets. Just installed a Comfort Bilt and 6 days later with temps in the teens at night, used a bag and a half to keep the place warm. I don't know about the Harmon, but mine will completely shut off when not needed, cycles like the furnace does. The temp is taken at floor level, and have it set to 63, at chest level the temp is 68-70, very comfortable.
100% agree I looked into LP Gas because it would be very easy but would cost a lot more. My Harman also shuts itself down when it reaches the set temp. Wish it could just burn slower. Thanks for watching
Here are all my Harmon videos thanks again for watching. Hope you have a Merry Christmas. ua-cam.com/play/PLZEGsnRsdHN5OBGSj2h0bNAqFjsPyroG9.html
When my stove is up and running on low setting it draws roughly .143 watts per hour. Multiply that by 31 days 106.4 kw at .095 cents per kilowatt hour. Costs me (with having to re-light after cleaning) around $15 a month. $6.50 per bag of pellets (maximum 1 bag per day) $201. So roughly $216 per month to heat my house. Yep not going to complain with that! Lol
That’s good thanks for watching
Divide watts by volts to get amps. So, 450watts divided by 120volts equals 3.75 Amps
Thanks Ben
He is great looking man
Thanks for watching
Seems to use less then I would have thought. Iam try to convince the wife to put one in our basement. we have heat pumps up stairs. And a dumb oil furnace in basement which I hate and it's only there for back up heat if needed. But I think a pellet stove would be nice and maybe even keep floors warm. Any way great video
Did you see my other 15 other videos on my pellet stove I have a couple that I think you would watch. ua-cam.com/play/PLZEGsnRsdHN5OBGSj2h0bNAqFjsPyroG9.html
Thanks my floors are warm and I also have ductless heat pumps
@@DIYJIM I will check your videos out thanks
If you can put the pellet stove in your living space- much nicer. We like the ambiance of the flames and the direct warmth of the radiant heat. The blower noise isn't too bad after you get used to it. 😀
Ever figure how to reduce power consumption? 9kwh would practically drain a 9.8kwh lifepo4 battery bank with 16@250Ah batteries.
No I have not maybe only run a couple hours and turn off an hour. Do not just unplug to turn off because the Stove Has to go through a shut down procedure so your room does not fill up with smoke. That’s what I am going to do if I ever have to run it off my solar generator. Let me know if you figure something else out. Thanks for watching
I'm back ... I ran on kill-a-watt meter ... older model. Ran on high slightly over 25hrs ... just under 2.9kw/h ... I think having a high chimney for a stronger air draw will reduce power consumption.
ua-cam.com/video/oIOKCwjWBJ0/v-deo.html
GET ECO FANS THEY USE THE HEAT FROM THE STOVE TO BLOW THE WARM AIR AROUND . The major problem is if your power goes out so does your pellet stove . The epic ice storm left us without power for over 5 days . I wonder if other brands of pellet stoves use less energy to run them . I am going to research this because I am considering a pellet stove for my basement
I think there are others that use less energy. If you remember try to let me know what you find out. Thanks for watching
On your stove
1.The high/low setting is pointless. The T’stat controls the stove which not only controls the temp but the high/low as well and even the auger feed rate since heat is generated by fuel consumption.
2. As for the igniter the second you turned the stove on the igniter is on. You’re burning a dry pellet not a gas vapor so constant heat is needed to achieve combustion temperature.
3. If I’m not mistaken pellet stoves have either 2 separate fans or a dual function fan ( one is exhaust/air wash this gets the stove burning and up to temperature. The other is heat distribution which expels heat from the heat tubes into the room. ) so as the igniter turns off because combustion temp has been achieved the distribution fan kicks on, the exhaust/air wash is also regulated by the stoves demands. Pellet stoves are complex machines and do very many things simultaneously for you as the centuries old wood stove require human interaction to do many of the functions.
Ohms law total watts divided by voltage equals amperage or amperage multiplied by voltage equals total wattage.
However the figures are speculative since not all homes have the actual voltage this can vary greatly between 110VAC to as high as 130VAC in the same house. Depending on distribution voltage from the meter to breaker then from breaker to outlet. As the distance increases and the AWG of the load carrying conductor you can get 15% drop in voltage. To further complicate matters depending on when the house was wired you can have an imbalance to have an additional 5% drop. This is why extension cords aren’t made over 100’
Wow long comment thanks you for trying to explain that so everyone could understand. I just tried to make a simple video so everyone could understand. Thanks for watching hope you thought it was OK
You said 9.3 Kwh per HR
Thanks for watching
Where are you located at only 8 cents a kwh? Im in Oregon, land of hydro power and we are now at 19 cents a kwh
Did you see how old that video was? My electricity is much more now Biden is building back better LOL.
All the waste heat from the distribution fans will be captured in the home environment.
thanks for leaving a comment hope you winter is going good
your stove will pull the most amps at start up then the load will drop down after the pot is going.
Thanks for the tip and thanks for watching
My Drolet 45 is drawing about 100watts on regular fan, with fan at High about 130watts, during the ignit phase it goes up to 318watts. January i did average 3kWh per day for total 76.854 kWh
Here is weekly mrda.ca/images/pellet-wk.jpg and the Monthly average mrda.ca/images/pellet-jan.jpg
Wow wish my harman was that Low, thanks for watching
8k watts a day kinda rules out putting pellet stove with off grid system.
I think only thing for off grid system would be a wood stove
@@DIYJIM Been bustin wood for almost 50 years. Spits gettin old.
@@DIYJIM they do make a pellet stove that doesn't require electric. It is gravity fed. No fans.
That's Jason Statham, lol
They are all different
So it’s about 8$ a day. A bag of pellets and electricity
Thanks for watching.
Looks like a conventional wood stove would be a better deal
More work but less money thanks for watching
Cost of wood is way more than pellets.
@@CentralNH depends a lot where you are, way less than 200 a cord in michigan, by me, and the more you buy the cheaper the price is. And it gets really cheap if you buy a semi of 8 foot logs, you cut and split.
ON THE LOW SETTING. if it uses 8.69kw in 24 hours that = 260.7 kw per 30 days. thats CRAZY to electric charges. depends on what your paying per kw. say 22 cents a kw (now a days "Biden prices") = $57.2 a month in power consumption??? now if it was BEFORE " BIDEN PRICES " it WAS 4 cents a KW = $10.40 a month????? Ya go figure????? just saying.. also i was (key word WAS) paying $4.50 a 40lbs bag of pellets.. WOW ITS NOW $7. a bag... WTF......
I hope we vote him out. I agree with you
Uses less than my PC
Well I guess that is good, your PC uses a lot of power thanks for watching
Short Answer Is The Best , What A Waste Of Time. Another Person Looking For UA-cam Hits.
Thanks for watching