I tried towing 11,000 pounds in freezing weather... My EV Truck Lied!
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- Опубліковано 2 січ 2023
- Today we tow my electric Hummer, with my electric Rivian Pickup Truck. Electric trucks aren't known for their towing ability - so today we try throwing two hurdles at once. Lots of weight in the freezing cold. I forgot to add the 1000lbs of Tongue weight to the overall weight of the trailer. We were actually towing 11,000lbs not 10,000lbs. oops.
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Rivian has now released an over the air software update that *FIXES* the range calculation error I was having while Towing. Thank you Rivian! I also forgot to add the 1000lbs of tongue weight to the total trailer weight. Which means we were actually towing 11,000lbs in this video.
My only question is WTF would anyone spend nearly $100k for an electric truck with such low mileage, when you can get a brand new fossil fuel one for less than half the cost, and has over 3 times the range? Your truck costs more than my house, which also runs on electric at a cost of over $1,000.00 per month. You do know that you aren't saving the environment right? That electricity isn't coming from the sun. And when it's time to change the batteries, you're going to pay half the cost of he vehicle again, and load the waste into a non-recyclable environment known as a waste field. The same place out dated solar panels go, that can never be re-used, and never deteriorate, or biodegrade much like the plastics in your composter.
@@HalfAssHomestead I do charge directly from the sun, and lithium batteries *are* 95% recyclable. You need to update your talking points. Yeah the price is high - but the rest of that you said is false. To each their own - just don't lie about stuff.
@@HalfAssHomestead I don't care about the environment much, but I find the rivian to be a very interesting offroader because of its electric motors. You can get really precise yet powerful torque control for each wheel that any fossil fuel car simply can't match.
As for mileage, it might be lower, but because you can charge it at home you can always have a full charge, so it doesn't really matter. For long road trips, you'd most likely need to take a 30 minute break either way (for bathroom, food, stretching legs), might as well do it in a fast charger station.
@@JerryRigEverything I agree to each their own, as economical as it is to charge, we can’t afford one, unless it’s legal and someone can make my avenger an ev but also I wanna wait until electric vehicles are more practical and built better, I’ve known people who have had issues with different electric vehicles, but I’m waiting for most issues to be resolved before I get one,
And I meant we as my fiancé and I lol
Based on 40 years of experience watching Microsoft file transfer estimated times, I'm convinced Rivian purchased the towing algorithm from Microsoft.
lol. so true :D the creator of that file transfer window btw is on youtube and talked about it in a video why its so hard to make a qualified calculation of the transfter timers :) daves garage
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Thank you for also using km and kg
Hi
It's sad that youtube channels have to do that just to please everyone because they are lazy to look up the conversion.
@@ugetridofit way too true, they don't do it overseas to help us. Double standards
Wow
Sofa
I'm sure glad there are people like you to buy these ev's for me and demonstrate how much I shouldn't buy one. Thanks.
Exactly !…….. My F 150 with a 36 gallon tank goes 700 miles then 4 minutes to fill up and go another 700 miles ! He said he had to charge for 45 minutes to get to a more powerful charger then charge again ??? Are you kidding me ?…….
@@thomasdaum1927for real!! Like this dude is still trying to charge his truck to get home.. 🤣🤣🤣
I'm with you on that, they can have their EVs . Just leave me out of it. Not interested.
@@thomasdaum1927EV’s are garbage. I appreciate videos like this that solidify my antipathy for them.
@@muskiefishing9219don’t worry grandpa, you won’t need to buy an EV in 2040.
I had to tow 15,000 lbs of hay last winter in my 3/4 ton ICE truck. The temperature was below zero and much of the trip was on hilly roads. To be fair to EV owners. I definitely lost some range. It was about a 20 mile loss over 100 miles. And to make things worse, I had to stand outside in sub zero temperatures for at least 3-4 minutes to fill the tank up. Oh the humanity!
Lol yep, a whole lot better than EVs. Glad a lot of us were smart enough to stick with good o' faithful ICE.
So you spend 6 hours a year filling up your ICE truck....outside.
And you had to fill up the tank after only 100 miles.
How much time do you spend doing brake jobs? EVs don't wear out brakes or rotors.
How much time do you spend doing oil changes?
EVs don't need oil changes, or transmission fluid changes, or engine air filters, spark plugs, catalytic converters, mufflers, particulate filters, DEF or stops at gas stations twice a week, every week for your entire life.
You can charge up your EV a few times a week all year long in a garage. It takes 3 seconds to plug it in with no going outside in the cold.
Do you make 200 mile round trips every day of the year? That's 73,000 miles per year.
Most people who own trucks don't tow most of the time.
Oh, the humanity.
@@dvader3263 I get almost 400 miles to the tank with my diesel truck pulling more than 10000 lbs. I don't have spark plugs. I know how to drive so the maintenance on the brakes and transmission aren't an issue. The oil changes are about 200 a year. I can go twice as far as your precious electric truck and when I stop to fuel up it takes 5 minutes and then I'm back on the road again going twice as far again as you can go all while you are still waiting for your truck to charge. I'm also sure you wasted time looking for a charging station. How much is your time worth there snowflake? Not much it would seem. Lastly, my truck has almost 700k miles on it. I guarantee you your little ev won't even come close especially if it has to work like my truck has. Even if yours did I guarantee your little batteries wouldn't and how much do they cost to replace genius?
@@dvader3263 you left out the part of the cost to replace the batteries !..lol.
@@dvader3263they can use their EV truck to pick up tampons
This guy is even cooler in person. Saw him today at CES while he was on the phone, I call out Zach! Not only he looks and waves, he hung up the phone and came over to chat, offered to take a picture and we parted ways. What a human 🎉
Great meeting Zach!
Wisam
Wow.
Yeah, they don't make 'em any better than this young man. Doesn't hurt that he's got that radio announcer voice either. Salt of the earth kinda guy. World needs about a billion more dudes like him if we're gonna keep on keepin' on.
You should've waited until he got done with his phone call. That was pretty rude
Love Zach he's good people
He's really like that! No matter how much he has on his plate, he takes time for anyone!
On the way back after picking up the Hummer maybe you can try displaying the battery percentage instead of mile estimations? I imagine that's more accurate and it would be interesting to see how it compares to the mile estimations.
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Or maybe MJ remaining rather than a percentage. MJ is the standard unit and equal to megawatt-seconds. So 1 kWh = 3600 kWs= 3.6 MJ.
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@@johndododoe1411 MJ is Mega Joules.
So true... I've switched over to paying a lot more attention to my battery SOC meter - instead of the range GoM (BMW i3 BEV)
These EV towing videos prove over and over that we are not ready for real world, realistic towing.
And yet they made EV transportation trucks....
Btw, it's not just a bad idea for towing, it's a bad idea period. Friend's daughter took 2 hours to charge her car, waiting in line in the middle of the night.
yep, and that must account for like .00001 % of the trips driven.
@mikeb1039 And its politicians that think like you that just won't give it up is why we are in the mess that we are in. Ya, I know, you're willing to sit in freezing temperatures to charge your car for 2 hrs.
@@mikeb1039It accounts for the vast majority of idiots buying these EVs.
@@joshmonus what accounts for the vast majority of idiots buying ice vehicles?
As an EV owner it's refreshing to see some straight up honest testing like this.
The lithium ion also a nightmare to put out. Sometimes EV catch fire due to hot temp. So it doesn't make sense for hot climate. EV carbon footprint also higher than normal gasoline cars. If the energy source is fossil fuel, then EV doesn't make sense, carbon emission. Countries in EU energy mostly renewable source.
@@fynkozari9271EVs do just fine in hot climates. Most decent modern EVs have liquid cooled battery packs. They also catch on fire drastically less frequently than gas cars. Of course with a greener grid the EV is more carbon neutral, but even with a dirty grid the EV is cleaner than the gas car, it just takes an extra year or so of driving. Unfortunately you’re wrong across the board
@@fynkozari9271 gas cars catch on fire about a 1000 times more offent than EVs based on reports from the US insurance industry. So you're fear is misplaced.
@@AdventuresonTour well if you have done your homework, EV accounting 1.4% of total cars on earth. Sources say 16.5 million EV. Now I'm not a genius, but if u sample 1.4% against the rest of that percentage, then cherry pick 100k, the higher percentage will always win. This is basic math. Pretty dumb comparison for sure.
@Fyn Kozari well if Gas is 1000x more flammable and EV are 1.4% (which is slightly more than 1/100) then if we adjust at the same size we get that gas is still 10x more flammable
I like this video on so many levels. A New EV Rivian Truck towing a old body new EV system Hummer!!! Who in the world would have thought this would happen. What a time to be alive.
Ikr? The other day I was thinking that these days one charges their phone, car and cigarettes (Iqos). What's next? And who thought that we would be living in a world like this lol
😂
Who would have thought this would happen could be said about every day of every person's life. Always something new.
You know when cancer and old age is cured that's when its a good time to be alive. Having a truck take a charge is not so much.
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Bungee cords!! Not going anywhere 😅😂
Only Zack would think, two achilles' heels, cold weather and towing, and think I know I'll do both. It's why we love him!
*bungee cord* "That's not going anywhere" 🤣 I really enjoy and appreciate your sense of humor Zack. Always a good time
holy shit that is an amazing hitch. It's so high tech. FINALLY WE HAVE INNOVATION IN HITCHES!
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😂😂😂😆😂 I'm picking up on your sarcasm. Well done 😆😆
@@weighsafe Don't pay any attention to this dude above me, it's always cool when someone adds much-needed functionality to everyday objects. Great job with the hitch.
@@Baronnax second this
ok
Crazy that he is better at calculating the distance left in the battery, then the car itself lol
About isn't a calculation it's a guess
@@houseofdiesel Vehicle range estimates done by the computer are a guess as well, even in petrol fueled vehicles.
@@houseofdiesel He can guess better than the vehicle and calculate
This is why I bought an ICE pickup to tow my 6000lb boat. I assume the batteries are relatively new. The biggest issue is finding a charging station where you can maneuver the long truck and trailer. I like the hitch. Thanks for the video
I would be SUPER curious for a follow up video if you can talk to anyone at Rivian about what happened with the range showing 600+ miles
Ever had a fresh charge on your cell phone at 100% and you use it for a 20 minute phone call? The battery barely moves off 100% charge when you know that’s not accurate 😂. How about when your cell phone is at 20% battery so you stop using it. Then an hour later it’s at 10% or 5% and you didn’t even touch it.
@R.K.L not sure what magical battery technology you’ve been using ThE LaSt TeN YeArS oR So 🤡. Anyway, my analogy stands regardless, thanks.
@@michaell1603 Phone BMS modules operate very differently than EV range estimates. Phone battery percentages go by voltage and/or wattage, while almost always having 5 - 10% headroom at either end of the scale to adjust for situational tolerances.
Let's say the battery is "rated" for 13.5W, but can actually go up to 14W when fully charged. That extra 0.5W is why your phone stays at 100%. The same thing happens at 0%, and that's usually to safely shut down the phone and keep the clock running when off.
And again, this is to accommodate manufacturing tolerances. Some batteries might have a defect that only allows them to charge to 13.7W, for example. But by keeping that 13.5W rating, it guarantees that all batteries will function at least as well as expected.
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 I've never heard of a battery capacity rated in watts. That just doesn't make any sense.
@@fitybux4664 I used it as an example. The most common rating for batteries are in mAh, but they also need to follow the correct wattage as well. Watts and milliamp hours are independent of each other.
I think you proved a point about the charging infrastructure and that's not ready for people who tow trailers
It’s a very valid point that I haven’t seen brought up yet anywhere else
@@lkracker7 well I don't think anyone that's really giving it much thought.
I more just hate that EV chargers tend to require logging into an account and app to use instead of simply swiping a card or slapping an NFC chip. Likely many of their software issues would disappear instantly.
The cars that don't charge on EV spots are so annoying though, like EVs don't park in gas stations... I always call a towtruck for the fuckere
It's not ready for 10% of the population.
Nice video - this one (and many others too) convinced me that I am not ready for an EV - just bought another ICE F150. Honestly, I could not handle the range anxiety and the current lack of charging infrastructure (and the complete lack of respect for it too).
I towed 16 thousand pounds of 5th wheel from Washington state to Florida and back with my diesel GMC. Through snow at the border of Oregon and CA, and in Arizona. I could go 1000 miles without a fill (50 gallon aux tank in bed by transfer flo). I always filled at cheapest point on the route, never worried about range, and fill ups took 15 minutes.
I have over 100k miles on it and it's over 12 years old and still going strong.
You crack me up in every video! Hooks up the bungee chord. “That’s not going anywhere.” Your timing and flat deadpan delivery just enhances the humor of it all. You make me laugh out loud. Thanks!
Talking about cracks... y'll noticed the one on the windshield?
10:25 Just leave it behind them to block everyone and use some extra long cable :D
"That's not going anywhere!" with the Bungee Cord was CLASSIC!
Wow I just wanted to say thank you for being such a nice person Zach. You are kind to yourself and others. God bless
I was educated & entertained from start to finish! And I'm sure Rivian will be checking your logs for that milage increase while under tow load. Get back to us on the outcome, please. Great video. 👍🏽
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Yep - Jerry found a significant bug, and I expect they will be very interested in understanding how cold conditions plus tow mode are causing the incorrect range values.
@@chriscross3924 lol, why post something that embarrasses you? Realty is not controversial. Grow up and quit pretending fiction is real.
Oh man that remaining mileage estimator was hilarious 😂 I'm actually impressed that you got that far! That is some serious towing. Oh man, non Tesla chargers are the worse. Love the video as always.
Wasn't there something in the news six months or so ago about Tesla opening up their chargers for non tesla EV? Or was that something that was going on in Europe? Don't have an EV and haven't really kept track of what's happening with Tesla or charging stations in general. But I have a feeling I heard something about this...
@@blahorgaslisk7763 It was in the news, but with Q-Elon, you never know what's going to happen. One day he decides he's going to open his chargers to everyone, the next day he decides to offer $8 verifications on Twitter, the day after that he takes $8 verification away, the day after that he takes his chargers away too... Never know with that guy.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 yeah only in Europe as a test run
They said they will, but only new stations. But it also sounds like that may not be entirely true anymore. With their new NACS port it sounds like they'll just claim it's openly accessible and say it's open, but not unless you actually use them.
LoL that's some epic level fastening of the hummer on that trailer. :D
Bungee cord.... "That's not going anywhere."
Had me laughing.
Zack eating that steamy burrito locked in his car with all the snow outside is the coziest moment I've seen in a UA-cam video.
on fuckign god
Reminds me of the “vlog” scenes from “the martian”
Maybe cozy for him, the chewing sounds gave me a migraine
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In relation to your fluctuating mileage remaining, is there any possibility that it is including your current rate of regenerative braking in the calculations? If you're carrying that much weight downhill, and the calculations are based on your usage over the past 5 or 10 minutes, you may actually have that sort of a mileage if your entire trip continued downhill.
That is probably what is happening but it is bad design as it should differentiate between potential energy you have because your start is at a higher elevation then your destination and potential energy you just payed dearly for pulling your trailer up a hill.
There has to be a software bug component as well. I repeatedly showed 635 miles specifically.
I would asido think it could looks at maps and see there is not that much downhill available and cut it off at a certain point
@@Minemac2 that’s how A Better Route Planer calculates your expected consumption. Pretty sure Tesla is doing it as well.
@@stopgabsolution5457 I could see it being hard to implement if you are not using the GPS route planner and just driving as it would not be sure where you are driving and would still have to make guesses. Still seems to be a lot of room for improvement.
Thanks For Sharing This Adventure.
thanks for the metric conversions
Rivian comms and software teams are sweating watching this video.
😅
No, they don't care. They know ev is a scam, and it is popular.
Marketing yeah, engineers probably got instructions to do it that way from some exec with an MBA.
@@starguy9 you must be fun at parties
I legit got angry with the a holes parked in the charging spots. You're a much calmer person than me.
that take was the 15th attempt without swear-word the charger driver
It'll become one of those things that people can be fined for. There's no way that local state or federal governments will pass up a way to monetize that. My bet is you'll need a window sticker of some sort.
@@rmo9808 a window sticker? How about just charging your car...
@@larsvaneynde4281 Governments love monetizing things just having your car plugged in won't be good enough at some point. It'll probably be to cover costs for enforcement or strain on the grid.
Will get worse as normal parking spots are taken up by EV charging points.. Will EVing (parking an EV in a normal parking spot, or on a charger without plugging in because you don't need to?) become a problem too?
Utah and cracked windshields...LoL. Try Weber County. Rock central.
He explained the trailer weight. He explained the towing capacity of the Rivian. He showed us the tongue weight of the trailer. He talked about making sure the load is balanced. What he neglected was the Rivian's "payload". The tongue weight of any given trailer as it sits on the hitch of the tow vehicle counts AGAINST the tow vehicles available payload. Many people neglect this factor when towing trailers (especially RVs). The mistake is thinking, as long as the trailers weight is less than the tow vehicles towing capacity, all is well. It is very common to load the tow vehicle over its payload and still be under the tow capacity.
Hopefully Rivian come back to you with some explanation or software update to resolve that extremely annoying issue! It's definitely a calculation you want working in an EV!
I did a similar tow last winter, but I towed a 26k trailer with a 2016 Ram 3500 truck. Went 1100+ miles to Texas with 2 stops.
Who?
Zach: let's add some more weight to get that 10k for the zeroes in the title!
Rivian: More weight!!! = More range!!!!
The cold weather is another huge factor to the low range estimates. I commute with my e-bike and I have about 3/4 of my original range in the winter
This was not cold temps. 30F is not cold
@@w8stral it's still below ideal operating range.
Due to the pulled load and all that huge aero drag increase, not the temperatures. @@aeskellion
@@w8stral never said it was the only factor, but one of them. the load and drag affect range, but cold weather also does. It always has. You can't deny that
Everything has a learning curve. I've been driving an EV for three years and the first few months were ropy with chargers. But I learned how they worked, what my car was telling me and how to plan. Just like I did with petrol cars. Last summer I drove from Galway, Ireland to Stockholm, Sweden and it was easy. Obviously not while towing, but I suspect after a few more goes you'll have worked out how to do it all way better.
Always good to learn new things!
Gas is a lot simpler though, You have gas or diesel, then you have ordinary to supreme gas, and that's it. With EV you have mulitple charging standards, multiple charging rates, and wildly different prices for those charging rates.
Thank you for also using km and kg!✨️🙌
3:07 "permanently borrow it without permission" 😂😂😂
That's still impressive. Back when I watch TFL truck, their towing tests were about 10k lbs and they usually got between 3-7 mpg. So worst case a 30 gallon tank at ~3.3 mpg would get 100 mile range but for over $100 of fuel.
He got free electricity. When all us suckers are forced into this abomination electricity will be throuhh the roof. With no green benefits
Those test were up the Ike gauntlet. 8 miles of uphill climbing. My diesel ram get about 12 pulling a camp trailer. So that's 360 miles of range and I don't have to wait hours to charge a battery!
Whenever you secure a vehicle to a trailer, you should try and tie to an unsprung point, ie something that doesn't move when the suspension compresses. Usually an axle tube is a good spot. That way your straps don't loosen up or fall off when you hit a bump and the body moves on the suspension. Definitely do it that way if you're using chains and binders since they don't have any stretch in them to take up that slack.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed.
Didn't he tie directly to the wheels as well as to the tow hooks? Pretty sure I saw some straps going through the wheels. Hummers have 4 wheel independent suspension so tying to the axles isn't really an option
@TheLangstons DHNH yup, wheels/tires are good for straps. I go by what I heard from an old timer, soft stuff gets straps, metal gets chains
I counted 15/16 straps. He'd be fine. It'd be purely because of the chassis of the hummer having alot of its weight cut out so its dampening levels change
Weird.. I was taught the opposite. You want to tie down the vehicle from the body, and you strap it down until the suspension compresses so you don't get body roll on the vehicle that's being towed. ESPECIALLY if you are towing a truck.
Honestly since you flicked and said that aint going nowhere im pretty sure that bungie had it! 😆👌
HaHaHaHa!! That was hilarious! I wouldn't have believed it, if it had been anybody else! Zach can do anything and make it work! LOL!!
Ok good sir, when you put the bungee on I said out loud "that's not going anywhere" only to hear it echo'd in my ear. Earned yourself a sub. Enjoyed the video as well Well done.
Are you going to repair your windshield or have a professional do it? Love Campingworld's setup. A dodge charger...blocking a charger...classic.
I wonder if there was a sign there that said "For Charger Use Only"...
@@r3pwn-dev lol
He's doing it at rivian of course, but seems like they're still having major issues on the service front. he talked about the windshield months ago.
Need safelite to sponsor a video for him.
I wonder if the mileage was spiking up because the extra weight was putting a lot of amps into the battery when regenerating. The high amperage would cause the voltage to spike upwards leading it to have a higher voltage and possibly think it was at a high state of charge. Then it compared how many miles it had already traveled with little voltage drop and figured the remaining range to be high.
They can only regen what the inverter can handle. The rest of the energy gets wasted.
Rivian would know what it can do
pulling lots of current out of a battery does the opposite, it drops the voltage...
@@kimjong-un9738 That is correct. I was referring to the extra regeneration that's happening when he takes his foot off the pedal and the extra weight slows down, putting a lot of amps back into the batteries while slowing down.
@@Robert-cu9bm it was just a hypothesis. The Rivian obviously wasn't too sure what was going on since it was saying he had 600 miles of range.
@@Robert-cu9bm "Rivian would know what it can do " - Obviously they don't, because the range estimate was off by hundreds of percent.
Minus 30 in northern Canada today, hook a plow to one and test
I would have walked into the Camping World store and talked to customer service. I bet they would ask (via intercom) for all non EV vehicles to be moved immediately out of EV spots.
I'm sure they would all be running to move there cars NOT!! LOL
@@Roocketboy can you not just call the cops and remove the car? at least where I live that can be done (depends a bit if the police is nice at that moment)
@@MHWGamer doubtful in Utah
@@MHWGamer how can a citizen call the cops on a vehicle parked in a private business parking lot? The owner of the business has to be that person
@@MHWGamer here in Montreal, the cops might show up, but they will just fine the car, not remove it...
I'm just now realizing I might have seen you on the road last week! lol. Happy New Year!
semi's are on that concept. tractor weight ,18-20K LBS
TRAILER 18K LBS leagal max load limit for semi trailer- 40k pounds
for DOT max weight(total vehichle) of 80K Lbs
I love it when you say that the Rivian "Only" weighs 7000.... LOL
It Would be interesting to see the difference that towing an aerodynamic trailer does, since towing the hummer is like having a sail working against you
I can get 130-135 miles towing our 26ft 6k pound camper with our R1T
Good question, its not about the weight, 80% is about aerodynamics...
This is my question too. Electrics are far more sensitive to total energy consumption than pure weight.
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What's the use though? In real life situations you'll probably never have anything aerodynic to tow around.
That hitch is a marvelous idea!
Your results are right in line with TFL trucking tow test with the Rivian. Same weight trailer they got right around 100 miles
All kinds of Utah going on with the Weigh Safe hitch and Big Bubba's trailers. Looks like Utah County. Cool video.
I'd like to see how it performs at -20°C or below. 1°C is a very warm winter day where I live lol
I would assume it would take an hour minimum to just heat the battery, and then give up in 50 or so miles, towing, that is.
We had a week of -30F here in Wyoming. My old Suzuki fired up every day, no block heater, no garage. I can't imagine an electric car handling this weather.
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Drive a 2020 e-Golf in the arctic of Norway and we had -40 degrees at one point and my car drove just fine, obviously when you have a 70% reduction in range the best you can hope for is city driving and the charge network up here is pitiful.
Considering charging electric cars is now same price as fuelling a diesel car in Europe and Norway, the only advice I have is to get a small electric car for city, but an used Diesel Volkswagen Passat for long range, had a 2014 Passat, got 1200km out of it on one tank during winter long range driving, good luck doing that in an electric car.
Same here. -30C here in Canada is a normal thing
@@SMGJohn Did you have it in a heated garage or sitting outside?
Absolutely Excellent Video! Thank you for taking the time to make it and share it with us! Your Rivian is pretty cool, but I think I will like your HMMWV WAY better; Once you get that completed! Chop-chop; we don't have all day! 🙂
Just laughed so hard to the “That’s not going anywhere” bit. Well done.
I don't even use only 1 bungee cord on my bicycle.
You see, according to the package, they are only secondary tie-downs. So you always need to use at least 3 of them.
@@jamesphillips2285 Ok but Zach was joking and then secured the Hummer properly after the bungee cord joke.
Increased mass helps charging the batteries when braking as much as it helps draining them while accelerating so the two things (ignoring losses) cancel out, that's the whole point of regenerative braking
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I actually had a Rivian reservation but ended up cancelling recently. I need to be able to tow my 3000lb boat/trailer 150 miles to the coast of NC. While I'm pretty confident I could make it driving slow in the summer, the tech just isn't quite there for me. Looking forward to going full EV in another 5ish years when the range and charging tech catches up.
Agreed! Hopefully Tesla Truck has better range than the rivian.. At least there is a better charing network that actually works when it is cold out..
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@1.23 I said it out lout just before you did 😂
I don't have one of those fancy hitches with a built in scale, so my poor man's solution is I keep a tape measure in the truck and measure the rear bumper height before and after hooking up the trailer. I want about 1/2" to 3/4" of drop at the bumper. Any more will make the headlights aim high and any less might make the trailer pull the back end of the truck around. I can get the desired bumper height by shifting the load in the trailer, or adjusting a weight distributing hitch, or inflating air bags in the rear coils of the truck. I get good results like this. My truck is a half ton payload so I can't tow 10,000 lbs, but my max rated tow weight from the MFR is 7100 lbs, I think the max tongue weight is 500 lbs and the truck weighs 6000 lbs empty.
Very interesting!! Thanks for sharing your study on range and towing! Hopefully Rivian patches their range algorithm in response to your video.
One note about the weigh safe locks, they laser etch the key code on the face of the lock. There's a clear enough shot in the video of yours to be able to make out the code and order a replacement key. I e-mailed them and they wouldn't replace it with one without the code engraved. I ended up just replacing the lock with a Cobra 7 vending machine lock that had matching keys to my toolbox and locking hitch pin. I did have to JBweld the new lock in as it didn't stay as well as the original.
Really like that hitch!
Thanks for showing it all unbiased Jerry. I wonder how much more the range is reduced when its -35 out
I don't even think it'd show a range at that point lol Living in Canada, I know many people who say their Tesla's range goes to crap in the winter. I can only imagine how extreme cold (not just temps around freezing, but temps in a REAL Canadian winter) with 10,000lbs hitched up would cause the range to drop by a HUGE amount.
Relatively little I'd guess. AFAIK the main range reduction in the cold is from running the heater. This will be insignificant compared to the range loss from pulling the non-aerodynamic trailer.
I loved that Zack always includes the Unit Convertion in his videos like Miles to Km and F to Celcius etc etc etc 💯👍🏻
His name is Zack
@@spyrosbellos2522 My bad 😬
I'll surely remember that Thank you so much 😊✌🏻
Ya, its actually sad that he has to do the labor for the conversion because the viewers are yo lazy to do it themselves.
@@ugetridofit What are you so upset about? One person does it so that thousands don't have to
I heard in the winter and others only got between a range 85 to 100 mi.
I appreciate that you do this even though it may poorly reflect on EV’s. Respect.
I love the fact you didn't pull any punches. This is showing us exactly what it's like living with an EV and I'm happy about it.
I mean, not exactly?... do most people normally tow 10k lbs hundreds of miles in freezing weather? I have had an EV for 7 years now, we finally got rid of our last gas machine two weeks ago, one Tesla and one Rivian. The Tesla is the road trip car, until the charging infrastructure for non-Teslas improves...
@@thetacomaboy this is an truck though
@@thetacomaboy you are assuming every single user is like you,m. That’s never how you are supposed to look at things. You already forced yourself to believe your narrative but you fail to see any other outside viewpoints.
And with no power here again with this storm worthless evs
1:23 You almost got me :D
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very very informative video and I am so glad to see you did a real world towing use-case. I was considering a R1T for towing our travel trailer that is around 7,000lbs. This video tells me that the infrastructure is just not ready for serious towers. Electric vehicles and trucks are nice but they are not useful for main use-cases that people buy trucks for, which is rather unfortunate.
Long distances+ high load is not and never will be a use-case for EVs. Just like planes or cargo ships. It just makes no sense and it will never work because physics are not magic.
So that´s why you can‘t be dissapointed. Or some other assholes acting arrogant that they can fuel up and keep going with 150 mile increments.
Yes but with a city EV you can go without charging somewhere for weeks or months.
Dont know why anyone would use an EV for RV trips.
Because charging stations are all in parking spots you have to detach your trailer to get into the charging spot unlike gas vehicles you pull through even though you have a trailer you can still get fuel
Jerry thanks for testing it!
people love your honestly with range and towing and of course the sick builds you do keep up the great work man we need more people like you
I love your videos. You are always addressing doubt that comes to my mind about EV and even go a step further. The next video should be about with your rivian went crazy with the battery range. Btw, i still think your eHummer is the coolest car ever!
Love that fancy trailer hitch.
The scale said 9,300 pounds, was that while it was connected to the tow vehicle? If so then you should have added the tongue weight in as well bringing you to 10,050 ish guessing from the 750 weigh safe scale measurement. Then you added 1,000 lbs of sheet metal, bringing your total trailer weight to about 11,000ish lbs. Fun test!
I assumed since it was double axle most weight would be on the scale. But you're right. Some weight would have been on my hitch. Nice catch.
@@JerryRigEverything no worries, just makes your test even heavier! I make towing equipment for a living so I'm a little picky about this stuff. Great content as always!
You forgot that like all tow rating you can only tow the maximum amount with a weight distribution hitch.
@@ECEV I don't know the specifics on a Rivian, but for half ton trucks/SUVs and smaller this is true. For 3/4-ton and up, most manufacturers say it's recommended but not required, and to only do a max of 50% weight distribution.
Evs are perfect for stay at home moms. Or people with nothing to do. The acceleration part was very impressive.
Why's that?
I just pulled 2200 miles with 7000 pounds across the country. I didn't have the range est problem and I had no problem finding fast chargers (150kw +) every 100 miles that worked. Yes. It sucked to disconnect the trailer about 80% of the charges and yes it sucked that it took about an 1.5 hrs to charge. I didn't have any issues at all, but one charger that needed to be rebooted. The truck handled perfectly. One trick I used was to keep the efficiency to 1kw to 1mile of range. That meant that at moments I had to go 55mph.
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"That's not going anywhere" Sanest tower spotted 🤣
Driving out a load on motor which makes heat and warm the lithium ion cells and bringing up the standing voltage but your batteries management may vary 😊
9:36 Jerry's humor is so perfectly dry I love it
His name is Zack, not Jerry, make your own mind up on the origins of Jerry rigged.
I think it was awesome. Because you can, doesn't mean you always will. Such a neat learning experience. My 46+ y.o. daughter drives an EV car, and loves it. Her very environmental and ecologically are daughters drive the most efficient vehicles they can afford- both college seniors. But would love to have a vehicle like hers. Well, me too.
32 degrees is a warm winter day in Minnesota where I live. Not for me.
That hitch is AWESOME! Never heard of them before. Its going on my truck immediately!
I've never seen anyone go into a sketchy driving situation with such curiosity and so nonchalantly, that was a thrilling video Zack!
Cool report (literally). Impressive.
In norway we have lots of 350kw chargers from ionity so this suprised me with only having a 50kw in an urban area
I'm so glad you did this! This is a huge deal for probably most truck owners. I want an EV but I have to be able to tow my RV that I live in, and so far I'm not comfortable doing so.
I sell EV's and I recommend picking out a nice diesel truck of your choice and having some green "EV" door magnets printed up to give you the warm earthly fuzzies you are looking for.
@@kevinsellsit5584 I don't understand why we can get a diesel hybrid.. Small 3-4 banger diesel generator charging up batteries and all the EV power.. That would be a real game changer...
@@FJB2020 Weight and cost mostly. There is always a "point of deminishing returns" and it comes into play very early with hybird EV's.
A small diesel can of course charge the batteries, but only enough to extend the range. It would do well if you stopped at every rest stop for a half hour with the diesel at wide open throttle charging the batteries.
A diesel locomotive is an EV without a battery. It uses a V16 2-stroke diesel with 4 turbochargers and 2 blowers to generate *ALL* of the power to run the electric motors which move the train. But it might take 3 V16's to get it up to speed. Not to mention the X number of tons of fuel it carries.
To make your truck keep going for say 600 miles (while towing a brick shaped RV) would require a diesel big enough to have done the job without the motors and batteries.
That being said, your 3 or 4 cyl hybrid might make it non-stop across a state or two if it had steel wheels on steel track.
Batteries are getting better every day. I can't wait till the battery fits in the glove box and provides cross country range. If aliens would bring us a few more goodies for the periotic table it would sure help.
I'm guessing 75 miles? I have a Nissan leaf in Arizona... So two things I haven't had to deal with :)
There are a few Electrify America chargers at the Sam’s Clubs in the area (SLC for sure and Spanish Fork I think) that’ll do 200kw+.
Been watching your reviews and durability tests and somehow you're the best than the others.
13:31 yes, but how much did the Burrito cost?
Don’t ever talk about how many miles you have left in the battery, alway talk about percentage. When you know how big the battery are, it’s way easier to calculate range you’re self , do to the car tells how much wh it consumes per mile/km
Exactly! It’s no different than with gasoline vehicles. The miles to empty is a rough estimate. But the actual fuel gauge is the most informative because we can see how fast it’s moving in any given situation.
Thats pretty good! imagine what the tech will be like in 5 years. That is not very far from now. I think EV and ET are advancing faster each year or so.