Cheap Fuel Cell Problem With E85 Plugging Filters

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  • Опубліковано 24 гру 2024

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  • @MTNBLUERACE
    @MTNBLUERACE Місяць тому

    THANK YOU.
    I’m 90% done on my drag & drive build (18 months in) and haven’t put fuel in the ol Ebay fuel cell yet.
    I will be addressing this immediately.

  • @cFukus
    @cFukus Рік тому +1

    I never ever like any UA-cam videos but man you are badass I appreciate it! Building my foxbody and now you saved me some time and most importantly money!

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  Рік тому +1

      UA-cam is great. Its hard to find good content but its on here. You just have to look. Glad to help!

  • @SloppyMechanics
    @SloppyMechanics 2 роки тому +2

    thank you

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому

      I don’t know for what but you got it bro! Haha

  • @opngarage8777
    @opngarage8777 2 роки тому +2

    I also bought a cheap fuel cell once, my issue was the foam insert for some reason was dissolving and blocking off my filters and the fuel pump, fuel pressure was dropping like crazy. I really advise to get a baffled good quality fuel cell for the long run, good luck always and great catch!!!

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому +1

      It’s just a tank man. I’m gonna swap it out before race week next year because I want more Fuel capacity. I’ll buy another cheap one or I’ll just have a friend make one. I may do a stainless tank if I make one but we’ll see.

  • @rizzoid
    @rizzoid 2 роки тому +2

    Damn, I've been having some issues and I just took a peek inside my fuel cell (which looks just like yours) and I have the same problem with my float. Must be really, really common. Thanks for the tip, chief!

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому +3

      This is gonna save so many people from having issues I bet or at least figuring out the problem.

  • @nitomeanboyGBODY
    @nitomeanboyGBODY Рік тому +1

    I only ran my car a hand full of times for a few minutes (still working out bugs) I’m glad I seen this video.. I too have a ebay cell.. gonna drain the lil but lit of fuel I have left and pull the foam from it and check that float!!! I appreciate u sharing ur discovery and info

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  Рік тому +1

      Mine was black and I thought it was a hard plastic but it was made of foam the E85 was eating. Drove me crazy for a long time haha.

  • @cobaltsslsj5891
    @cobaltsslsj5891 Рік тому +1

    i just bought one on feebay - thanks for this info

  • @vrg69
    @vrg69 2 роки тому +1

    Who would have ever expected that would have been the problem

    • @newtonfirefly3584
      @newtonfirefly3584 2 роки тому

      @Voodoo Race Garage; Sure those that follow the ignorance and 'Trial and Error' process most everyone does, lack the basics with ideas, concepts and principles.
      @Brundown;
      Dane Paul ws following good ideas, concepts, and principles about the fuel cleanliness, fine particulate removal with the 10 um - micron filters, also the replaceable and cleanable type too. Then using the multiple fuel flow meters is good thinking to determine which filter is clogged.
      These are especially necessary with Fuel Injection and can affect carburetor jets too. - Please see Bill Haskinson about their methanol particulate and sediment contamination issues - SRC
      However, the concept and principle to be aware of is the necessity that every part, component within the fuel system from the tank, pump, lines, hoses, connectors, fittings, valves, filters, sensors, injectors, carburetor, floats, etc. must be appropriate for the fuel type. Ethanol [E] and Methanol [much more so] have significantly different requirements of materials because of chemical reactions.
      Dane Paul, proper metal floats are still better than plastic ones - more stable and durable.
      All parts should be proper and appropriate for Ethanol at least.
      Is this tank also appropriate for Ethanol too ? Metals, especially alloys can also be affected by ethanol, thus those specifically for ethanol should also be used. The results can also have corrosion and fine metal particulate into the fuel.
      Also, if available, perhaps a finer than 10 um-micron for the first stage filter would be useful, helpful and beneficial.
      Now that the particulate contamination into the fuel from the tank float is discovered, perhaps only the first filter nearest the tank [perhaps better placed inside the trunk by the tank output], and one near the engine are necessary ? Also, then many of the fuel meters will also become unnecessary, and thus reduce possible fuel leak potentials too.
      As another noted, most 'standard' fuel has some ethanol content also. Thus over time, the ethanol content can result in deterioration of many fuel system parts and components. Modern vehicles should have parts and components within them which are appropriate to handle ethanol content, any many be fully prepared for full ethanol, depending upon the designed intention and use. 🤓
      The information an details about these fuel system parts, components for each and every vehicle are easily available, attainable and accessible.
      Just the proper search within proper information sites [often not blogs - except if actual experts reply or available] and the manufactures certainly have the necessary information and detail. 🤓
      Many good, proper, reliable, honest performance shops, suppliers, and manufactures also have the proper, correct and accurate information and knowledge too. 🤓 Especially those that are involved in actual racing. [you know which ones are😏]
      If there still remains doubt, then upgrades with ethanol appropriate parts and components are usually worthwhile, especially within fuel systems. 😏
      All The Best 😊
      Sincerely ☺

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому +1

      Well I didn’t obviously 🤣

  • @montecarlo6.0turbo
    @montecarlo6.0turbo 2 роки тому +2

    Good looking out like all your videos

  • @funfun8095
    @funfun8095 2 роки тому +2

    Good catch! I bet you could use a brass carb float for that sender, but please get a good aeromotive 12346 fuel filter, bigger than you need, still 10 micron, though. ;)

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому

      No way that's bigger then the boi I just got. The tractor filter flows 25gpm and filters at 10 micron. Surface area on this bad boy has to be magnitudes greater than that filter. My fuel issue days should be behind me till I need more fuel for more HP but we have a ways to go. The turbo should run out before my fuel system I believe. I think my power glide may not like my turbo at max effort either but well figure that out too.

  • @philbetthauser9547
    @philbetthauser9547 2 роки тому +1

    Glad you found the issue.

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому +1

      Me too Phil. Now we have a car we can work with I think.

  • @WhiteTrashMotorsports
    @WhiteTrashMotorsports 2 роки тому +1

    I ran into the same problem, removed the foam and it went away, on another note I also have a classic Winnebago that we still use.

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому +1

      I didn’t have foam in the tank. It was the sending unit float that got me.

  • @snaildit2377
    @snaildit2377 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the heads up, about to start plumbing soon!

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому +1

      Check it bro

    • @snaildit2377
      @snaildit2377 2 роки тому

      @@Burndown funny my hand fit in my filler hole this time lol, none the less, the sending unit in my jegs cell is plastic and aluminum.

  • @fuzzymoto896
    @fuzzymoto896 2 роки тому +4

    Dude, I think you may have stumbled on to something bigger then you realized. I think that may be an issue on a lot of Chevy factory trucks. Look into 03 to 05 gm trucks having clogged pumps and messed up fuel gauge reading. Super common problem in areas with a lot of E in the fuel like .CA happening on non flex GM vehicles. I wonder if the floats are falling apart just like you showed. I'll look further into this and let you know. We need to talk in person at some point Dane. Thanks for the info.

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому

      Wouldn't that be something

  • @frysr6
    @frysr6 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you!

  • @adrianmunoz2636
    @adrianmunoz2636 Рік тому +1

    Thank you 6:33

  • @kittykitty643
    @kittykitty643 Рік тому +1

    Any thoughts of a fuel surge tank to keep from running lean because of aeration.. I'm trying to figure out my fuel setup on a twin turbo set up thanks for the info provided.

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  Рік тому +1

      No. The fuel pumps are in the little sump portion of the tank. No problem with fuel starve unless its real low you can hear it under braking but im talking like running out of fuel low.

  • @lsxtmt4910
    @lsxtmt4910 2 роки тому +2

    Always remove the foam from a new cell.You can get a brass float at NAPA.

    • @MrLittletorres9
      @MrLittletorres9 2 роки тому

      Do you know the part number?!

    • @lsxtmt4910
      @lsxtmt4910 2 роки тому +2

      @@MrLittletorres9 stewart warner 411290

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому

      If I knew the float was foam I would have removed it from day one. The cell came with slosh foam in the bottom of it and I ripped that out right away. Never thought the float was anything other than plastic.

  • @FunBitesTV
    @FunBitesTV Рік тому +1

    thanks for sharing. cant believe it was the float !
    isnt it crazy that they dont just use fuel safe stuff, a lot of the cells will end up with e85 or similar in ! have you just ran it the whole time without the anti slosh foam then?

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  Рік тому

      Yeah I took the foam out right away thinking it would break down and never thought about the float haha

  • @DannyR2681
    @DannyR2681 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you after seeing this video I instantly removed mine on my cheap even fuel cell.
    Does anyone know of a good quality that can be used on these cheap tanks?

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому +1

      I bought a plastic one off amazon and it seems to be holding up fine. I have a video on that as well. This gave me all kinds of trouble for quite a while haha.

    • @DannyR2681
      @DannyR2681 2 роки тому

      @@Burndown thank you I’m glad you figured out. I see you local also by the local junkyards you go to.
      Also thank you so much for the fan advice I picked up Chevy volt fans from the junkyard today.
      This is going into a 240sx drift car with lq9 bottom end with ls3 top end on e85

  • @salvatorehayes2753
    @salvatorehayes2753 2 роки тому

    Nice. Good To Keep In Mind. I Also Was A Turbo Guy Plagued With Fuel Delivery Issues. Thought It Was Scavenging, Fuel Pump Over Heating, Fuel Pump Wiring etc For 2 Years. It Would Run Lean One Pass And Rich Another. On Hot Days In Traffic Or Up Hills It Would Die Out And Loose Fuel Pressure And Not Start For 15-20Mins. It Would Also Go Away When You filled The Tank With Gas. I Went As Far As Wrapping My Take In Heat Shielding haha. Turns Out My Stock Fuel Pressure Regulator Was The Issue haha I Spent Like $1,000s On Different Pumps, Ventuti Jet Pumps, Holly Hydra Mats, Surge Tanks etc hahaha Kind Stupid Of Me To Think A Stock Regulator Used On 180hp Vehicles Would Be Ok At 500hp XD

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому +1

      This is how we learn. I’m not a fan of the corvette filters either. You can over run those pretty easy as well. Not designed for all the fuel 😁

  • @xozindustries7451
    @xozindustries7451 2 роки тому +1

    Where did you get the spin in filter set up? My Ajax fuel cell says on it that it’s ethanol safe, not all of them are.

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому +2

      My fuel cell is fine. The spin on filter is from tractor supply

    • @xozindustries7451
      @xozindustries7451 2 роки тому

      @@Burndown what I meant is that the foam inside the Jaz cell is Ethanol Safe. I’ll need to look at those filters, thanx

  • @tdog1035
    @tdog1035 7 місяців тому +1

    Did you open up the float or was it that badly deteriorated?

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  7 місяців тому

      That’s what it looked like when I pulled it out of the tank

  • @danhall5218
    @danhall5218 2 роки тому +1

    What spin on filter is that?

  • @mikeday852
    @mikeday852 2 роки тому

    you da MAN .........

  • @staseghrrhgesats1946
    @staseghrrhgesats1946 2 роки тому +2

    Corn whiskey was never meant for car conumption!😄

  • @Oscar_Danger
    @Oscar_Danger 2 роки тому

    That canister filter is only rated for a 25% ethanol blend.

  • @chappyboylsx2596
    @chappyboylsx2596 2 роки тому +1

    👍

  • @HBRacing123
    @HBRacing123 Рік тому

    I made the mistake of leaving the foam in and even pump 98 will deteriorate the foam…. I’m not sure but even the little amount of ethanol will cause the foam to fall apart and clog things

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  Рік тому

      Yes foam will ruin your fuel systems day

  • @TurboDub1991
    @TurboDub1991 11 місяців тому

    Aw man was it the foam???

    • @TurboDub1991
      @TurboDub1991 11 місяців тому

      Omg it was the float 😮

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  11 місяців тому +1

      I took took the phone out and it ended up being the foam float that got me.

  • @funfun8095
    @funfun8095 2 роки тому +1

    🤙🤙

  • @racingruth9470
    @racingruth9470 2 роки тому

    😂❤

  • @2000freefuel
    @2000freefuel 2 роки тому

    Bro I'm watching #3:47 I am gonna predict your experiencing a materials compatibility problem. tl;dr the ethanol is acting as an incompatible solvent causing you nothing but drama/chaos!
    also tl;dr you race folks seems to love dry sump oiling, perhaps it's time you look into forward sump fueling! AKA a tiny fuel cell under hood that relays the GO GO Juice into your motor/engine!

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому

      Well you didn’t say fuel sender float but you were technically correct.

  • @16v15
    @16v15 2 роки тому +1

    Do you even know what E85 is? Running it in a fuel system not specifically designed for it, let alone through a chineseum fuel cell? 2 years to figure this 'big mystery' out, not 2 seconds?
    Wow. Just wow...

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому +1

      Without looking in your tank and cheating….. tell me what material the float in your fuel tank is made out of material wise?

    • @16v15
      @16v15 2 роки тому

      @@Burndown As someone who knows what E85 is, I know any chineseum fuel cell is going to have (at least) one part that's going to dissolve under E85 exposure. Guaranteed. Probably a good idea to learn how corrosive alcohol is, and then validate the rest of your fuel system is actually up to the task of E85. Oh, and I put 700+ to the wheels, just requires setup,tuning, and VP gas. My floats are never a question. Neither is using E85.

    • @Burndown
      @Burndown  2 роки тому

      @@16v15 but what is your fuel sending unit float material specifically? If it is safe for E and race gas what is it made out of? Is a specific question.

    • @16v15
      @16v15 2 роки тому +1

      @@Burndown As with any float, it's completely fine with race gas . My sender is VDO, 100% made in der Fatherland, solid plastic float, factory sealed tube enclosure. I would consult with VDO engineers, if for some unknown reason I wanted to run E85. But the rest of my fuel system is not set up for alcohol beyond 10%, and there is no reason to ever run that corrosive garbage in a car short wanting to be in some tiny drag race category or something.