State says we CAN'T live here...a STOP to our homestead tiny cabin.
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- We have run into a blocker with the state of Tennessee in building out our off-grid tiny cabin. Today we talk through what this blocker is, why it exists and what we plan to do. This is an unfortunate blow to the progression of our homestead but as always, thank you all for your support!
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I’m an Architect and lived in TN and got my degree there. It will become permanent doing 2 things. Fill your masonry piers with concrete and strap anchor the building to the piers. You can use Anchor Bolts too. Having permanent power is also another means of making it permanent. Finally if the county doesn’t have building inspections the code is unenforceable. The state doesn’t have code inspectors except for Electrical. They won’t illegally trespass either.
Trespassers get lead and brass in Tennessee
does that address the source of the lumber not being approved? Otherwise, good advice.
Exactly. The key is to make it NOT readily moveable. My father in law did this when he started with a mobile home. He modified it, added to it and built a foundation for it making it no longer "mobile". The state and the bank consider it a single family residence and no longer a "mobile home".
I worked in planning for a decade with government and left because of nonsense like this. The State may send county code enforcement. The county could chose to not enforce it, but highly likely would not go against the state. But I agree about getting a foundation. That seems like a reasonable approach.
Yea your.fine just make it permanent
As a shed builder and dealer. It amazes me how the government being so hard on these buildings for living units tells me they would rather have people homeless.
I've never seen this law enforced here. We actually had someone donate land here and set multiple of these sheds on them for homeless people to stay in.
“You will own nothing and be happy” comes to mind.
@@DJTruth_1970This ^^^
They can't tax movable non permanent structures like they can permanent ones. It's all about the moolah.
They want people homeless are have to rent. It’s disgusting. They do not want anyone to be independent at all.
I can easily understand your anger and frustration when dealing with state or county issues. When I had a 30' x 80' workshop built I was told to stop and that I needed permission to build on my own land. They tried to use the same ploy of public safety in order to say I needed a permit. I looked up the building code and saw where public safety was the main issue, except for the fact that my land was not public in any way but was PRIVATE and that they had no lawful authority over me or my property. When I asked for proof that the code applied to me and my private property they went silent and I never heard from them again. Good luck in the future.
You are correct, the best way to be classified as private property you must have a gate and no trespassing signs at the access of your property, otherwise the public and officials do have Rights to come to your front door!
You already deconstructed the building and now you have it back together. Nice job ;)
Fantastic job you did. 🕺💃🕺💃👌👌🎉🎉🎉
This is exactly why I chose not to youtube about many of the interesting things I'm doing on my Tennessee homestead. It's a little too late for you guys but the best advice for others is simply don't ask, don't tell, do your own thing and keep yourself off the radar. You could write your congressman and try and get the law changed but that is unlikely to work since Clayton Homes is probably a large political donor and the one that pushed the regulations through in the first place. This is a classic example of the corrupt merger of corporate and government power that surrounds us everywhere in society today.
The first line of this reply is what everyone needs to pay attention to. As much as one finds it necessary to document their life for likes and views, essentially what one does isn't anyone else's business...until you make it so.
Not all companies are courpt
Yup folks don't realize UA-cam paints a bullseye on their backs, off grid should be quiet as possible and don't advertise about your lifestyle! Access to the Internet can be far worse than tied to the grid!
@@tropicaltorpedoes3573 just most of them ?
Yep. I lived in Lincoln county and I chose not to ask anyone anything. Then I moved to chapel hill tn. (Big mistake!). Run from anything for sale there! I then made the decision to move to southern ky. Much cheaper and no drama. I’m on unrestricted land and I got my electric and water and told them I was building a barn and needed water and power for livestock. Haven’t told anyone anything else. Easier to ask for forgiveness rather than permission. Haha
The best "loophole".....Don't Ask, Don't tell. When you try to do the right thing, you always get screwed.
Yup
That’s hard to do when you have a UA-cam channel documenting everything you do.
For sure. Definitely reconstructed each and every board of that beautiful home.
@@CodyCha don't give away your location then lol. Nobody is going to find you in the middle of nowhere
@@CodyCha don’t call the state. The county told them yes.
It sure is easy for someone who has a house to deny somebody else a place to live. 💙 T.E.N.
I live in Texas. We live outside the city limits. We have no building restrictions. We love it! Building a Barndo right now.
Barndo lol. I always found the word funny.
@@someguyfromtheinternet5102 It is a funny word! Makes me Happy when I say it.
There is a YTer where they showed up and took a persons shed in TX.
@@jamesscherping2461 I'd reference how to find that for it to be of value and believable. Not that you aren't believable, but this is the internet, where anyone can claim anything.
Unbelievable! @@jamesscherping2461
Moral of the story is keep the state and government out of your life as much as possible. They're scammers.
They are animal abusers. Like how child protective services doesnt protect sny children from puberty blockers
Biggest thugs on planet earth and about as useless as tits on a bull. The fact there are losers willing to get paid to enforce this bullshit is kinda why Nazis were able to get away with what they did for as long as they did. Humans will tolerate a lot if they don’t have any hope.
That’s why we shouldn’t support Democrats in 2023. They wanna expand the government and allow them to govern over every aspect of our lives! Not to mention the entire party has been corrupted and would rather send billions to Ukraine instead of take care of Americans in Hawaii!
They are also the biggest
gang around!! Armed to boot!!
@@michaelhurley3333 Our gang (We The People) is bigger and has more guns.
A friend of mine grew up on a farm. During WW2, his father was not allowed to put an addition to his house for his expanding family. The rules of war did allow him to build a chicken coop. So he did. Got his permits and everything. After the finished chicken coop was done and approved, he dragged it over to the house, attached, and moved in.
Great story!
That’s exactly what my grandpa and dad would have done too 😂
😂
You can tear down one parcel wall and add on or make a 2nd story or more than 100 square feet like say, "a bathroom." on part of the "cabin", which will constitute building it on site. Been there done that.
Born and raised just around the corner from you. North and west, Near your previous home. Over 300 years of heritage in these hills. Cherokee Scots Irish. Near fall creek falls.
He was lucky he didn't get fined and had to demolish it. Every state has a law that states coops must be a certain distance from any human residence.
If we can’t make any piece of land a livable habitation we should then be waived a property tax fee and pay no taxes whatsoever
People need to vote for freedom instead of tyranny !
I think this is good example of how state and local politics is far more likely to actually impact your freedom than anything that happens at the national level. People get railroaded by the unchecked power of county sheriffs, judges and local building codes, etc every single day yet people are fixated on absurd national level nightmare scenarios that will never actually happen. People too busy screaming FJB meanwhile getting screwed over by local officials from their own political party because they aren't paying attention.
That would require repealing the 19th amendment.
@@_JimmyBeGood The 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote. Why would you want to repeal that?
@@storbokki371 It’s pretty simple. Men value freedom over security and women value security over freedom. Thats human nature. Remember your dad said run and jump and play and mom said be careful you will get hurt? Women will naturally vote for more and more security and safety until we are all enslaved. Corrupt men that want to control the population and force their will on us will manipulate women to vote for them by promising security. Women outvote men in western societies and that’s why you see more and more socialism and less and less freedom. I’m shocked more men haven’t noticed why. In the U.S. democrats have been getting about 65% of their votes from women. Men are not voting for these lifetime politician tyrants. Ever since the Reagan era every year more and more men vote Republican and more and more women vote democrat.
@@storbokki371 On top of that add in the fact that many cultures through history have practiced feminism and allowed women into governance. They all collapsed soon after that. In fact one a society allows women to vote and participate in governance they all collapsed within 50-100 years. This is historical. We just passed 100 years of women voting and about 75 years of women holding office. You can already see our society coming apart.
if you were to build a foundation, pick the building up and anchor it to the foundation, would that not constitute a a new build ? once the building is anchored to the foundation it is no longer a transportable building. Greetings from Australia
Unfortunately, if the building begins as a "ready removable", you have to follow the entire process to give it the government stamp of "safe" which includes a permit and inspection. It's bs but we are going to weigh our options, Appreciate the support for across the world! Cheers!
I think this would be a good option 🤔 but check with them the 💩💩 gov and see if this would be sufficient in satisfying for their greed. 👍✨
Definitely would help..make it permanent foundation
A mobile home is not a mobile home when you anchor it to a foundation and can be sold as a home I think the Ausie is on to something check it out.
So basically you blew the whistle on yourself? Not sure what your gonna do cuz I live in Maine and people live in structures like this ALL the time so I believe this is a BS law really!!! I think lawyer is correct take it apart and reconstruct it and put it on a cinder block crawl space. Used it for everything but sleeping for ti e being and figure out what to do in future. Sell it at small loss and start from scratch?
It’s amazing that we have people living in tents all over the country but these people can’t live there.
Living in tents? They are living in 5 star hotels! And your helping pay for them!
They could live there just fine, if they quit calling and asking all these questions.
I think these type of petty laws makes the people living in tents useful for the government n states so they can say they have a reason why those people have to live in tents. if it's to easy to own a place then everybody has a place to live n the police don't have a job but with homeless people living in tents the states can generate money its sick n disgraceful for the human spieces
Not sure how you mean the states can generate money. But the only way would be for the government to pay for it. And when we say government, that means you and I! Cause the only way the government generates money is to tax/levy the American people! The government can print more money. But that just devalues the U.S. dollar!
That's because even tho they claim the land is supposed to be for Americans it's not that is to cover for the fact they confiscated the land for themselves
I was a framing carpenter before I became an electrician. From what I'm able to see in your background I would put a concrete foundation under that "readily" moveable structure.
My pic, my undeveloped property. Moved a modular here. First thing you do it pit set it. Then in Washington state. Instead of using metal siding for pit. You use concrete blocks. Even tho they are not supporting the structure in anyway, it makes it a perminate structure.
Trust me, everything i did here i had a problem with. My carport was almost finished when they changed my land to a class D seismic zone do to my ridge. So now my carport has been reinforced to the point, you could drive a tank over the top of it. Over 6 foot snow load plus earthquake proof. Cost $ 1600 for just the updated blueprints. But its all done now. They even tried to say my property was on wetlands,, its not, and powerlines were so low i couldnt get equipment in here. The DOT are who saved me. They came in here and set frontier communications and PGE straight. Said they have one week to correct powerlines or they will owe me $1200 a week untill they correct their mistake. Then i made them move a guideline that was two feet on my property just because they caused me such a headache. Everything is completed now. Now i wanna build a greenhouse. So ive been looking into portable ones instead of perminate. Getting to old to deal with the county.
You are responsible for the maintenance of your vehicle, don't blame anyone else.
What's funny is that they would allow you to live out of you car or in a tent on your property, but not a "movable structure". How messed up is that?
Never expect the government to use common sense.
@@mikepalmer2219 also never expect the government to ACTUALLY do it's job of protecting and serving it's citizens, or tell the truth, or pretty much do anything that's not totally evil 🤷
@@jordazmo19 yep. You get it.
Whats even more messed up is that Amazon is allowed to build and sell those little foldable and movable houses, but this is considered unacceptable 🤔
now some of these states with homeless problems are also making it illegal to sleep in your car....
My husband was our towns building inspector here in Tennessee for a little while and he says to pour concrete into the blocks and use tie downs or lag bolt the structure to the columns, plus putting a skirting or covering around the bottom whill make it a permanent structure and no longer mobile
Exactly. Just like a trailer park setup
Do that
This youtuber is completely mangling issue this to sound like a victim, the state isn't "over reaching" county authority, the county has to operate within state guidelines. He's just a moron LOL
You miss the point. They are adults and can make their own decisions. Why should they be forced against their will to spend money to do something they already decided they dont want to do.
@@tedbastwock3810this isn't coconut island genius
I like what the architect says. I wonder if they will not allow the wood in the building being not commercially milled.
Appalachian is correct, my brother lives in Chattanoga and I drove out to help him build a 25 x 65 shop on his property. We had built the building in two parts and were about to setup the forms for the slab foundation ( I had to do it that way because of time crunch on my part) when we were surrounded by state inspectors backed up by troopers. They seemed to think we were building a meth lab or an off the books child day care, when they realized that we were going to put in on a slab they calmed down and finally left after we promised to use a licensed electrician when the time came. Moral of the story is put down piers to strap to and all is good, and it always easier to ask forgiveness than permission.
After a very frustrating experience involving a greenhouse on my property, I learned to never actively involve authorities in my activities.
Thankyou. I have learnt the hard way too. It's no different here in Australia. If more people thought your way, people could go back to minding their own business and living in peace.
Absolutely. Never tell anyone, show anyone. Ask yourself if they actually have the authority! They don't. Study constitutional law.
Until that court notice shows up
Ignore the system.
Same here in nz.built a two story lovely home for me and my two kids…20sq m x2( top and bottom.) milled trees on my land etc.a nasty neighbour told on me to the council ( couldn’t be seen from the road…) they made me cut the top floor off,or risk of a 100k fine…they said to ring them when I had finished taking the top story off and re roofing it.I never rang them ,they never came back …5 years later I sold the property.should have just kept the top floor….bugger small minded people who stick there noses in others business
Pour concrete posts under it to support it and bolt the building to the posts so it is no longer a ready removal building. :You may have to have the poured concrete posts inspected. This transformation will 1. Make the building safer in strong winds 2. Disqualify the building from falling under the ready removal code. 3. NOT REQUIRE any dismantling of the building. 4. Should allow you to legally live in it again. Alternatively, there are ready made piers in about 3 pieces of concrete that are a couple hundred bucks each and can be pushed down into the ground with a house jack (there are UA-cam videos about it). All stick-built houses are bolted to their foundations to comply with codes (except maybe for some really old homes). S that is all you need-a permanent type foundation and some bolts.
What it is, and I disagree with the law, this building is not made to code with the shed builder. None of these sheds to houses are up to code, because it's a shed. There are a few states that don't allow these sheds to be made into homes. Basically the state didn't get their cut so they make this BS law.
But you could stick build the exact building and it would not violate code since no code is applicable.
@@dah61789dahjust the sound of that..legally live in it...just a crazy world we live in
This was exactly my thought as I was watching this.
Once it is on a permanent foundation it is no longer "ready removable". It may however, fall into a factory home category at that point
Wow. Good ideas. You sound like you know what you are talking about.... making me think your job is a building inspector or something.
disassemble the existing structure board by board. Rebuilt it by hand, as suggested by the laws that it is legal, as that seems to be the logical way to save and recoup your costs on materials. Would take longer, but your labour is free. You can make small changes to the original design at this point as you can make new cuts to the existing wood.
Dude you are 100% a home builder. You know what I do when I want to know information about anything. I go to the page and view every single tab about anything I might even think has to do with me. Then I get it done.
It's all about making sure people don't live freely. They want you controlled, strapped with a mortgage, paying high taxes and forced to use corporate ran utilities, etc. Don't give up. Don't give in. We have a right to use our property as we please and live freely
and to own nothing
The laws have always been formed by certain group of people to enslave certain group of people and generate tax revenue for the government ( law ). I am planning to buy some land at some point and build a similar structure. If the county interferes in my personal matters, I'll take that as a threat to my freedom and get ready for civil war. I might eliminate all those people who form the zoning committee. if at least 10 of us take up this fight as soldiers and sacrifice our temporary lives, the next generation will reap the benefits of freedom. As for my soul that exits from this body will take rebirth into another body and have much better next life at the least if not be with Jesus Christ for eternity.
The only thing I can say about that as a property owner is I am glad that there are some codes and restrictions for property. I am glad that people can't run raw sewage on the ground. I'm glad that people can't move a bunch of run down campers on their property and have water and sewage running into the creeks and streams. Believe it or not people have done that, the very reason we have these codes.
Bingo!!!!!
YOU are part of the PROBLEM.
You're more concerned about SAFETY than FREEDOM!
So it's people who think like You that literally take all of our FREEDOMS!!
We can't do ANYTHING anymore without Asking Permission from 'Authorities', Following a million Codes, Applying for Licenses, Paying Fees, Fines, Tickets, basically asking Big Daddy if he'll LET us!!
Why don't you Move to Russia or Norway or a million other places if you are too scared of FREEDOM?!
ALL of those permissions are actually ILLEGAL, according to the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!
P.S. Can Anyone name even ONE FREEDOM we have that's actually 'FREE'?!
Imagine if all the cabins of early settlers had been subject to 'codes'!
Yes...America could have never been founded.
Why? Maybe we should just tell the government to F off, and start doing their only job that is protecting the rights, and interests of it's people.@@YTusercomment
Early settlers cabins would have been built on site which is allowed. This is just some scam to make it hard for people who dont have the time or expertise to build. But I agree in principle that we have so many rules that are anti-american for the sake of safety. I like my country home where I discovered at least one of my trusses was built with a log that clearly came from the property :)
They were if not they died just a different code. It’s exactly the same
"safety"-------@@SetitesTechAdventures
Thank goodness we have the government telling us how to live. They don’t want you living in your shelter but have no problem with a homeless person living out in the open.
Thanks for this video! What a bummer! I'm so sorry. It just goes to show that you can do your "due diligence" and still have complications come up 😥 I hope you get this issue resolved ASAP.
I own two "removable structures" here in Blount County Tennessee. They are no longer "Removable", they are listed as permanent structures as they now have permanent foundations. They both have a solid poured footer and are blocked up to the bottom of the home with steel access doors to get under the home for repair access. The state and county now shows them as married to the lot. You can come look at mine. They are properly tied down. You may possibly complete your build as a permanent structure using what you already have for a start. I do not know. I do know that mine are now permitted as permanent structures with the tax collectors office. If you can copy what was done to mine, you may be good to go. FYI the foundation was installed AFTER the homes were located on the property.
Good suggestion! Encourage them . Usually you can find one employee at the government office who isn’t double jointed at the waist and doesn’t have their head up their . . . That’s the one person who can see things clearly.
It is not just a suggestion. It is a fact. That is how all the manufactured homes get permitted. All they should need to do is contact the county and tell them they want to make it "a permanent structure" on a permanent foundation. They even put manufactured homes on basements, it just cost the $$ for the crane to put it over the basement. They could also call the local Clayton dealer and see how they do it .@@johnwadmaniii
In the presence of polite company , I'llsay F ' Em ...
Them dirty birds need to Get A Job and quit sukkin on the teat of the workin man
As many have already mentioned, and this is just my opinion, but I would think that if you blocked or bricked under it, it would be considered on a " permanent foundation" . I enjoy your videos and wish you guys the best!
Sink a one or two 4x6 posts in the ground and bolt the shed to it. Tied to the ground and you can’t move it without cut a post. It is now permanent. I did this for a few steel sheds so they would not blow over. The tax accessor saw that a did this and considered it a permanent structure that I now pay taxes on.
Like the architect said, just anchor it in the ground. It makes it a permanent structure. That’s what me and wife did and got approval.
THIS☝🏻
Yeah I think the problem is that a shed or mobile structure like a tiny home for example is not taxable in the same fashion as an actual land improvement (foundation/home). That should keep everyone happy $$$$
It is if it's a permanent structure.@@frankstetka7206
The next time order the same building as a kit. The kit is delivered to your property and you assemble it yourself from scratch using a provided template. This is the same deal that Sears did in the late 1890s to the early 1910s. Your entire house was shipped to you on flatcars and you put it together yourself piece by piece. If the county or state asks who built it just say we did.
Every day i hear about state involvement in things they have no right to be involved in, and every day im amazed at the restraint weve all shown in not burning everything down to start over in a free society.
As a fellow Tennesseean and engineer...consult a professional engineer in your area. Often the PE stamp circumvents a lot of red tape and for a small fee, you can move forward.
Is this something that you'd be able to help with if you happen to be in our area? Our email is runawayladymay@gmail.com
To help an engineer with stamping your plans, go to the original house makers and get their schematic drawings of the house. Then the engineer can identify the structural timbers and spec them out. Also, if you decide to float a foundation or dig and place piers and posts, then the engineer can tell you the specs for the foundation. Now, an engineer's stamp is only for the schematics or plans, therefore; this may not save you from inspections. If necessary, you can get a lumber grader to grade those timbers for the state inspectors. Of course, by doing this, you might still be subject to and involuntarily invoke any required state inspections and rules (electrical, plumbing, etc.) because you would be playing their game and they make the rules. But, maybe not, since there are no local codes. Moreover, getting an engineer's stamp may not save you from dismantling the house. This is because to avoid your dismantling of the house, the state of Tenn. would have to recognize the out-of-state built house (and by extension, potentially any house built out of state) as compliant with state codes. I doubt if the state is ready to do that because it diminishes their authority, increases their liability, and makes more work for them. Consequently, they may refuse, and dismantling the house could be an option. However, dismantling and rebuilding a house is no small feat, every timber has to be labeled, and if a timber is damaged then it must be replaced. On the other hand, putting it on a trailer made to DMV codes seems less of a hassle and apparently gives you a legal place to live.
Fuck Tennessee keeps yalls nasty ass out on Arkansas and Texas, and Oklahoma and Louisiana and Mississippi
@@landesnorm If it was built out of state, the lumber could harbor invasive species. This is one possible reason.
So its extortion.
The fault for a lot of homesteaders and off-grid people is they announce to the public what they're doing, such as social media.
Social media is the best thing that has happened to tyranny.
a living breathing man or woman is required to make a legal or lawful claim. a 'title' 'corporation' or 'entity' are NOT able to make LAWFUL claims. They can try, but if you object, the courts must oblige. a "code enforcer" is not a man or woman. that is the title that defines how the Man or Woman is ACTING with their 'Agency'. EVERY Man and Woman is 1005 responsible for their actions, 100% of the time. If a Man or Woman makes a claim, they have the burden of proof to support that claim, and also assume liability for any harm, injury or loss that results from their claim. this is ancient stuff that not many people take the time to learn, understand and implement these days.
It works both ways...it's a means to also advertise the tyranny of the state to the world.
I disagree @@danbhakta it's not tyranny. It's unbalanced because WE THE PEOPLE forgot how to be good masters with our Public Servants. Simple. 1 Man was responsible for over 20 states dropping their man dates when he chose to hold the governor in his state accountable. within 24 hours over 20 states dropped it from a man date to a recommendation.. another example, ONE man in my town was responsible for taking a 2 lane road and making it 1 land and a bike lane, because he rides into work everyday. now there is an obscene amount of traffic. the point isn't "look at this dumb decision" the point is to demonstrate the power that a single person has when they interact with the gov appropriately.
@@JeezusChrist : What is your solution?
Thanks for the info.
Women are so supportive... I want to see her take charge of a project.
Deconstruct one wall and add a room, while also permanently anchoring the whole structure. No longer removeable and you deconstructed it too. Hope it works out for y'all. 😊 ❤
lol yeah I was thinking along these lines...
Absolutely! It sure looks like a nicely stacked load of lumber to me.
The problem is the material was delivered by a manufacturer that isn't registered.
Yup
Build house next to it...add it on later. Keep it on down low
The easy option is to move it aside, put in footers and a block foundation. Then move it onto the foundation and remove the "skids" that make it moveable. While you are doing that you could install anchor bolts for wind issues like tornadoes, which will have you better than now. You could just trim the skids making them into support beams for tie down as well. Lots of final building options but bolting to a foundation removes your prime issue. Even if you do not know how, That area is fairly cheap to install footers and block. Lots of folks do it. However look at vapor barrier and drainage while doing all of this. I bet the Amish know someone.
I think the even easier solution is to "live" in your van. And that's just a storage shed.
The skids are what helps to keep the building from twisting and becoming "Not Squared" so removing skids is just defeating the purpose. Place a foundation and tie it down like a manufactured home. Like you previously stated... it is just a shell and by placing insulation and other building items inside to make it liveable then they have actually built into it...
Once they tie it down for one and then build the inside and insulate and build accessories inside, then all they have to do is say it was built.... The landowners did build into it to make it liveable because right now it's just a "Shell" but after more work, the county nor the State doesn't have grounds to stand on ..
@@johnsullivan799 If placed on a foundation wall on the two long sides, like a home, you don't need the skids.
@@markpashia7067if the floor boards are not sized for weight bearing and the span without supports they will have a sagging issue.
Chatt native here 26 yrs. Was definitely shocked to hear that mentioned lmao.
Cut an access hole on the side of it and build an addition onto it. That makes it an addition to a structure.
As long as you're not hurting anyone you should be able to do what you want on YOUR LAND!
There are basic restrictions that impact neighbors within 5 acres or so and downstream that should exist:
Commandments: 1) Don't contaminate my
well.
2) Don't poison my animals.
3) Don't throw parties > 500 people unless previously agreed upon.
4) Don't store/build/ detonate large amounts of chemicals/gases/weapons ( natural or otherwise) that could impact my structures, my air, my life, or my FBI/ATF exposure.
Personal home or farm-use amounts ok.
5) Communicate about Air bnb type rentals.
Just because you don't realize or understand how you're hurting people, places, or creatures does not mean you aren't.
Some states won’t even let you collect rain water! That’s insane!
@@coffeyncis a tiny house hurting you?
@@coffeyncit’s a fkn tiny house not Area 51
Just remember as nice as your community/ followers are there are always going to be someone that feels the need to involve themselves in your personal business and try to mess up what you're doing
Exactly. I'm a reseller and watch all the reseller youtubers and it's crazy how many people's stores get hurt from people that watch their shows. People are evil and jealous
It reminds me of the person who was watching a veterenarian reality show, and got upset because the vet wasnt wearing gloves while doing something to an animal, and filed a lawsuit against the doctor!! It was thrown out of court. So, whenever there is something good going on, there will always be a turd in the punchbowl!
Exactly, which is why I stay as private as possible. Move in silence my friends
15:19 dig basement. On one side or the other I would use nee wall making. That level usable, maybe
Walk out to the back
Secure house to foundation in national
Code method
Just a suggestion
RD 2E. good luck!
Oh, roll on to new
Fondation
Its a good idea not to show everything you do. Its like finding gold, if you don't tell, nobody knows, if you tell 1 person, then everyone tries to take it from you!!
I just happened upon one of your videos and I am now a new subscriber😃 You both seem to be a lot of fun and I’m looking forward to binge watching your videos from the very beginning😊
I think I’d use it as temporary housing while you construct a replacement.
That way you “stick build” on-site. And later use the shed as something else
Everyone needs to get together and fight for the right for these affordable houses.
The people in power are never going to allow affordable housing again. Banks are buying whole subdivisions of new construction homes just to rent them out. Yes I know that for a fact and cannot tell you on here how.😢
absolutely. i am single and i don't need a 1200 sq ft house.
@@kadinzaofelune I know about black rock.
@Drawingtheplanet only if you're willing to use force to enforce your rights.
You are not.
Nature abhors a vacuum especially a power vacuum.
About to go into my 40s and this has become my ultimate dream and goal to live in a house like this away from everyone except my family. I will make this possible no matter how long it takes ❤
This is America! Its hard to become free from the system that wants us to work for the rich. Keep fighting because nature is freedom.
I’ve never worked for the poor that’s for sure😂
It's called capitalism
@@ihave35cents95 unoriginal. and you completely missed his point. the distinction is in how u both use the word rich. why dont you actually support real freedom.
@@tedbastwock3810 I worked for my freedom
I hope you all are successful as you move forward. I'm am embarking on my own adventure in Oklahoma, currently building the 256 square foot shop in a county with very few restrictions before I build the little house, and your video made me think I need to look into my own state's stupidity when it comes to overreach. If Oklahoma and Tennessee were closer, I offer to come by and help deconstruct with you all! I'll be a subscriber going forward! Keep on Keeping On!
This is good stuff. You will be fine. Tough choice.
Move it off the blocks to a different place on your property close to your location where you want to have your house. Then dig a basement with a bulldozer concrete floor and put in the concrete walls then put the house back on top of it. Now you have a permanent structure with extra space and a tornado shelter. or you could even put a bomb shelter underneath it and attach it to the house. Once you put it in the ground you make it a permanent foundation and a permanent house.
They can't do that on their welfare checks.😢
Where I live, even just posts that are in the ground make it a legal permanent structure
@@LimoLife23 Which video did they said they receive welfare check?
leave now wait till 6/26 ,guatamala is good, shit fixen to get crazy. 😢
And then you would loose 1/3 of the floor space when putting steps in.
It's your fault for asking the criminal class's permission. I just built my small home without asking criminals if I could.
exactly that's what im going to do fuck the criminal government and council this is a good idea especially with how the prices of living crisis is now
Amen amen amen
Hi, Im wondering if you can add a room to it?, Hope it helps
It's upsetting all that money for the tinyhome and the state wouldn't allow you to keep it on the property.... i would probably deconstruct and rebuild as well as adding more to it--- but that's just me. :)
living downtown on the streets really gives them something to bish and moan about while feeling a little better about themselves and position in the process.
I agree with the other comments. Have the lumber inspected and stamped. Then pour footings and block up to the house. Don't give up on your dream 😊
Another avenue:
Since the county and state have no inspectors, you can hire your own certified home inspector to give you legal documentation that your residence is safe.
Shouldn't be too difficult to find one of those guys for a couple hundred bucks. Your real estate company can direct you to a reputable business (they use this service all the time)
Best advice. FHA also has a ton of approved inspectors. They are a worthy couple hundred bucks indeed. Same as surveyors that will squash any chances of claiming "stolen/commandeered land", like my neighbors just tried pulling.
If you want to play by the rules. Or just live in it.
Build a addition on the and attach it to it. Build it just like the other one.
I used to deliver similar buildings. If you remove the skids, they are no longer movable without considerable effort. Pour footings and add tie-down straps. Done
When it comes to the lumber you can't use non-certified lumber for any of the load bearing construction, however non loading bearing is fine. Go to a lumber mill and speak with their inspector, some of them to make extra money will come out and run test on your lumber and if it passes they will put the cert. stamp on each piece of lumber. Its all based on the moisture in the lumber. Worth a try.
As a recently retired Tennessee General Contractor (CIR), the permanent foundation is the first thing to do. Also, the state requires an Electrical Inspection and a State Septic Permit.
In law, if the state requires it, the state must pay for it. If you pay for it to be done professionally, then provided you are satisfied that's needed. To not know something is your fault.
Lol, win that in court...
@@greghayes9118yea right lol that's delusional
@@greghayes9118That is a false statement you are required to pay for and have a perk test done Before the soil is even disturbed And you will also need to have An electrical Inspection done on the building And the homeowner is required to pay for all of this But if you have a foundation put under it then it will be considered a permanent structure, Even if you put a house trailer in there and you put a foundation under the outside perimeter it is considered a permanent structure and your insurance will even be cheaper on it Because it is considered a permanent structure
There is such things as composting and incinerator toilets. The other water is considered grey water and can be handled by a simple pit filled with gravel. Grey water does not have to be excused through a septic system. If they do an off grid solar/wind power generation system there is no need for an electrical permit. If they are not connected to the system it is no one’s business.
This is a perfect example of looking for drama. They said you could build a house out of toothpicks. I would have left it at that and never thought about it again
Yes. Why did they inform the state?
They should've just stayed quite and focused on getting a place ready that is allowed
I think the fact that they are on UA-cam means some Karen would've eventually reported them, and it would've been a huge disaster if they had already invested an enormous amount in it
Thanks for sharing
Do NOT GIVE UP or let them win!
Go to the local news to ask for reconstruction help you’ll get it asap if you tell this story.
Or, go offline for a few weeks, research or ask the county what accounts for rebuilding it.
Or you can just get off social media, let things blow over and rebuild anyway. I learned how to handle difficult situations with tyrants from a man named Randy Weaver.
❤ The first comment seems plausible!!! Hang in there guys!
@@ryanward8039
As I recall it didnt end well for Mr Weaver. Dammed if you do Dammed if you don't.
I had a similar situation but the county gave me 2 weeks to move it or they were coming to take it away. I moved it thank goodness 😅
Bummer!
As a builder in KY and TN, the way we always got around this was to attach it to a solid foundation with footers. Same as mobile homes, it makes it a permanent structure instead of a mobile. I have completed 2 in scott Co. Tn. This was how we were able to classify them as permanent structure
Thats what I was thinking plus I am in WV we have Amish made buildings they was talking about stamp lumber well I guarantee you curl up under that thing all of that stuff going to be stamped because it's pressure treated the ones we have here are made with pressure treated lumber when the Amish is selling to the consumer why does as a commercial they got the following the code the tens of the code Windows doors they didn't make them
Hell get up under it reblock it remove them 6x6s they use for a guide to load and unload them things relocate them further apart in the building considered not movable because it can't be one reason they're there yeah they used to block building up but it's the insurance for them to remove the building if they need to it a guide to slide it up on the trailer
I live in scott co Tn, I'm glad you know how to help these nice ppl. Thank you
Awsome advice! Also buying land with a permanent structure (doesn't need utilities connected). Could be a small shed on a slab.
In Minnesota and North Dakota all one has to do is put skirting around a mobile home, camper, or whatever to be considered permanent dwelling
From now on keep your mouth shut, don't go looking for trouble, and keep it to yourselves. RIGHT! You know that now, but that put the hound dogs on the scent and could get some other people in trouble. I sure hope this blows over after you make that thing undragible/permanently founded.
Also' like the achitect mentioned' if it is secure to the land' they cannot enforce this by law
I’m for you guys… hopefully, everything’s goes your ways. 🙏🙏🙏
That was real fun disassembling that just to put it all back together. Thanks to everyone that came out to help make this building a "building"
perfect !
@Tibbs_Farm and @kdlittlehawk yes, again it was good to meet the 28 people who all chipped in and I am proud to be 1 of the crew who disassembled the structure and put it all back together. Thanks for the BBQ Chicken and Ribs and you left a bucket of wood putty onsite. I have it in the back of my truck. You can barely tell we were even there. Nice work everyone.
Lmao I just said tear it down reuse the same holes and rebuild it. Wasn't built off site anymore. Man this shit isn't as free as people think.
This is a prime example of laws made to protect us from ourselves, (like a non vehicle inspection). We have to stop, or repeal these laws in the USA 🇺🇸 NOW.
No wonder the world's laffin at us. It's like Joe Biteme in a picket line w striking UAW workers nat same time he's doing his best to put them out of jobs as he's main advocate for electric cars to b built n Mexico.absolutely ridiculous n ill bet uaw pres is for the right to work law n pres uaw doesn't mention the exorbitant salary he's getting just the ceos. N im son of union pres
As someone who inspects foundations I would lean towards placing the building on what is required for a "permanent foundation" so the building is no longer "readily removeable".
It's only "ready removable" because it has runners under it but it doesn't really need runners if it's not being moved so just remove the runner boards under the structure
Nice house! Your adding to community & State!❤😊
Remember, back in the day when the taxman charged for closets, people started building wardrobe (stand alone closets). You can still buy a wardrobe to this day and it does not count as a closet. There is always a way around stuff if you think outside the closet…er, um box. ❤
I owe the irs 250 theyre going to have to pry it out of my cold dead hands
"Hi everybody, here's a timelapse video of us completely deconstructing and reconstructing our home!" Remove one board, video cuts to black. Next scene: "Well dangit, our battery gave out, but here's the finished product all back together again! What do you think? Don't forget to like and subscribe!" 😂
@@MrToyGnome haha that's a good one!
Maybe think outside the box? I wanted to build a shop the gov said I couldn't because I was zoned agriculture. So I redid the plans and added door on the back. Went back up and they said no you can't build said yes I can cause that is a door for the goats. Goats are agriculture and you can't stop me. Real nice shop.
When you buy a ready built shed it's marked shed,,have they mark and sell as a cabin...
Awesome video, guys
Guys I’m so sorry. Starting to read your headline, I honestly was thinking…”that’s why you should move to Tennessee.” Then to see that’s where your story begins, well shocked me immensely. My suggestion would be to build onto your building. To me that is a loophole that is very realistic. Again many people in the south love to live by the the don’t tell if they don’t ask. Why don’t you say that you built it to begin with giving the warning of the individual questioning how you was able to slide by that regulation. Anyway I love your attitutudes and proud to have you in Tennessee. Try the addition to what you have, it then will be custom built. Then don’t ask just tell we built it. It will be true without lying. I live over in Paris Tn, it’s 5 and half to 6 hrs west. We have couple cabins in Sevierville Tn. One is for sale everything is brand new. EVERYTHING! roof, all interior, central h/air, all appliances, lighting and furniture. Can even finish basement to add one or two more bedrooms. 1080 Shell mountain rd. Never stayed one night in it since purchased or finished it. Woods and creek on property. So your second choice could be leave Chattanooga! Lol. I am about to put a Mennonite cabin converted to cabin on this recently purchased property. And as we say they can go straight 🔥before telling me what I do on my property. It’s only 7 acres. No water or electricity available. Get this closest electricity less than 1/4 mi away. They honestly tell 3 property owners, me and 2 others. It will be 65 thousand dollars to run it to your property. Hello generator and solar panels. If this stipulation has been put in by lobbyist on behalf of Clayton or Champion homes, shame on them and get out of our state. Enough babble. Thank you for choosing TN. I love and wife myself and our kids have driven to experience 49 of our 50 states in the US. We lack Hawaii. One day. Favorite trip drove up to Canada, across the providences to British Columbia , thru the Yukon into Skagway Alaska. It was awesome! And the wildlife traveling thru British Columbia cannot be beat.good luck and keep fighting.
If you own the land you should be able to do what you wish as long as it’s not a hazard or safety issue for others. It’s a great looking cabin and you’re not hurting anyone.
I tend to agree, right up until you sell the property and "home" to some unsuspecting person. It all goes back to "don't make me, make a rule".
@@EthosAtheos I get that but as long as you disclose what it is and be honest it should be fine or you sell for a reduced price.
@@cliftonmcmullen7167 I would tend to agree. But it assumes way to much about a buyers ability to understand. My mom knows nothing about construction. When she bought a house she bought it because it was cute and where she wanted to live. The knob and tube that was powering the lights in the garage was not a consideration. Yes it still had working nearly 100 year old light fixtures. Complete with exposed wire terminals on the switches.
I hate building codes, but they exist because of history. Buildings falling apart killing people or leaving them homeless. With unscrupulous businesses declaring bankruptcy and reincorporating under a different name to do it all again.
What I'd like to see are safety driven codes that are as minimal as possible. The NEC is an example of a code that is for the most part there to keep you safe. It does have some stupid stuff, but mostly it exists because someone needed to be told NO.
The general building codes unfortunately are not. They are filled with the agenda of the private corporation that creates it. That agenda is to make money for themselves and their customers. Their customers are mostly industrial scale manufactures.
Well, I agree that if you own the land you should, within reason, of course, be able to do whatever you want with it, I have found as someone also in Tennessee, specifically, East, Tennessee, that this is not the case. For any parcel of land you have, there are county codes to follow and even property codes to follow. Additionally, if you are in a county that is considered unrestricted land, which it sounds like they probably are, it’s not completely unrestricted. There are still certain things you have to do and code. You have to follow and rules. Basically they’ve made it so it’s almost impossible to truly get out from under the states thumb.
For reference, I have been looking at the possibility of doing a tiny home while also exploring what it looks like to have a small traditionally built home. There are stupid rules for those too. It really makes me not want to buy land at all, and just rent and call it a day.
@EthosAtheos as a buyer, shouldn't you be getting an inspection done prior to purchasing anyways? I get what you're saying but this is why you have it inspected before buying.
There's too many rules, regulations, permits needed, laws, etc. It has gotten ridiculous.
I think a lot of homesteaders get themselves in trouble by starting a channel based on their lives. While it’s a great help to those wanting to get started, it also puts your build out there for everyone to see. There are some people I swear that have absolutely nothing better to do than watch these videos and turn people in for anything and everything. I had thought about starting a channel on rehabbing our 100 year old house into an offgrid home, but ultimately decided to keep it private for these very reasons. Well, that and all the UA-cam professionals out there.
Not to mention all of the UA-cam "armchair" lawyers and other "experts". I fully agree that there are people with nothing better to do than tear down others for their successes. Good luck with your restoration.
Literally had the green light from the people that would have initially given a dam and then proceeded to educate them on why they shouldn’t be allowed to build .🤦♂️
I would never show my structure as a homesteader. Never ever ever.
Too many Karen’s out there who hate it when folks are living a great life.
You are exactly right. The government is trying hard to stop homesteaders. They don't want people to be self sustaining. They want their thumb on your head. 😢
I feel for you. I’m sorry you’re going through this. It will work out.
Yeah I was going to say to put it on a stem wall foundation and bolt it down, at that point it is considered a permanent structure I would believe. Which means that they need to jack it up pour the stem walls, then lower it back down and bolt it down.
The lumber is far superior to what you get at stores. Bureaucracy B.S. at it's finest.🤬 Best of luck to you guys. 🐾🙏🏻✌🏻
It literally is - and they are actual 2x4's vs 1.75x3.5's. But because they don't have the systems "stamp of approval" they're not code. It's ridiculous. Thank you so much for the support!
@@RunawayMattCass is it possible to have someone come grade the lumber?
Call the lawyer and the codes guy and ask whether the shed is a permanant structure if you build a foundation under it? Also ask for whether they would then at that time consider Grandfathering their laws for those who are either building that foundation and or were not made aware by the builders that living in such buildings in Tennessee is prohibited.
@@scottensley9964 BEST ADVICE IS QUIT CALLING PEOPLE AND MAKING VIDEOS AND THE STATE WILL FORGET ABOUT YOU.MOST LIKELY. THIS COUPLE OWNS THE LAND I ASSUME - SLEEP IN THE VAN FOR AWHILE - THE LAZY GOV EMPLOYEES WILL FORGET YOU EVER CALLED - WHICH WAS NOT SMART TO BEGIN WITH IMO
@@RunawayMattCass - Yes EXACTLY...you have a structure using ACTUAL 2" x 4" lumber! There was a time in America, many years ago, THIS was the normal. Now, the "approved" lumber they want you to use is 3-1/2" x 1-1/2"....crooked, etc.
That being said, had I intended to live in it I would have the Amish builder increase those roof rafters to at least 2" x 6".
This has much less to do with "public safety" and everything to do with large lumber companies, modular housing industry, real estate agencies lobbying (paying off) state and local government to enact these restrictions...Inspectors also wanting their cut of the money. Add to that the government concern that their property tax extortion scheme misses a few dollars somewhere...like it not currently being on a permanent foundation.
However you proceed, you now have to have ACCURATE guidance and proper checklist...not rely solely on Internet comments.
The difference between a mobile home and manufacturer housing is that manufactured housing sets on a permanent foundation and a mobile home does not. By changing the Movable title status and make it a permanent it is no longer a movable or removable.
Correct...Not sure if it's titled for transporting but if so...eliminating the title will take care of the problem.🎉
Houses are movable structures too! House movers 😱🤣 exist to move homes! They move permanent structures all the time! So in reality they are deliverables also, if you want to get technical about it!
Just live in it, what can they do to you if you just live in it ???.
Live in it while they build a "real" more permanent home. Log home perhaps? Or from the trees on their property. @@truth_farmer
What does the state of Tennessee do and or say about Mobile home parks?
Make it permanent. Concrete piers and bolt it to it. Call it a work shed and sleep in it? There isnt inspections. One problem? You put yourself on their radar and hopefully they are not watching you. Good luck to you both. Very cool what you all are doing.
We are late to the game and hope all is going much better. We wanted to add that you can hire a lumber inspector to stamp your wood to show it meets building code.
Cheers!
One option you could try is to have the wood inspected. There are inspectors for sawmills that inspect the dryness of the wood and stamp it. That seems to be what is holding you up from meeting the codes. I also agree that if it were to be permanently attached to some kind of foundation, it wouldn't be "removable." Keep your heads up and keep fighting! We are all rooting for you! ❤
The state is worried about wood boring beetles being transplanted from one location to another within the state. It's the same reason you can't bring in your own wood to state parks. Not sure they really have the authority they are claiming on private property though. What's the difference between buying the raw lumber from the Mennonites and simply buying one of their buildings?
Best solution : ignore all the BS and be like any other FREE rural country folk that do what they want and don't involve the government Tyrants ✅🤓
Put a gate with no trespassing signs! Never let anyone on your property!
Don't forget to get a shotgun
I said the same thing, ever heard of a helicopter?
Yea that will work for the county inspector lol
They use Google Earth and drones to check on rural properties. Not to mention law enforcement and other government agencies are allowed to access your property.
@@SheriffofUA-camif they have or get a composting or incinerator toilet there is no need for a septic system. Gray water which is all water not coming from the toilets is not regulated, it’s just water.
I would build a TINY shed big enough for a bed and maybe a table right next to it to “live” in. And claim that your gonna “live” in it. Then I’d build a breezeway connecting the two. And then I’d close the breezeway in. All the while definitely tell them your not living in the “shed” it’s just for storage. I might be crazy but it seems like it might work. Either way.. good luck and many blessing😊
Good luck 💯
They just passed a similar law here in my county in Florida and I think it's absolutely ridiculous. The government should not have the authority to tell you what you can and can't have on property you own. We need to start filling lawsuits against these absurd, overreaching laws.
Problem is you don’t really own land. You have to pay taxes on land to have said land. So the government really owns the land in the end.
I would recommend looking into land patterns
Stop voting for these people...
You never own land. The governments own the planet if you haven't noticed. Property taxes are for life for a reason.
It's not the government, it's your neighbors
After reading the actual code, if you pour footings under the structure and secure it to the footings, it is no longer easily relocated. Just a thought.
Always a loophole when dealing with parasitic government
Yeah so I would just go to a structural engineer in the city or around the area you know in the county would have you and have them certified stamp it'll probably cost you $750 bucks
I am so sorry you guys. I wish I could help you. I lived off grid for years and recently moved back on grid. I’m working on getting back off grid because I hate the on grid lifestyle. I totally feel for you.
Oh, remember last week when you took the entire thing apart and put it back together exactly the same? Yeah I remember that.
You may be able to hire a lumber grader to put his stamp on your lumber, to pass inspection. I run a home owner saw mill and hire a lumber grader to stamp my lumber when necessary.
I just mentioned that in another reply. I agree with you, they may be able to do that seeing how all the lumber is able to be looked at it.
That seems like an outstanding idea.
Your state doesnt have class K buiding variations?
Lesson #1, Never say where you are! When you do, you are setting yourself up to have some jack ass do their utmost to destroy your dreams!😢
Okay so I don't specifically know TN code, but I've been offgrid for 12yrs. Here's what I'd do & what we did. Stay in the camper as your living space. The shed is just that. A shed. I'd start on building an actual cabin following code. Here's where a ton of offgrid folks get themselves in trouble. Septic!! Put in a legit to code septic system on the cabin, footers on the cabin. I know in sc you have to have 2 doors for the firecode. Front door & a back door. Electrical is very important to follow. Please do not use a compost toilet it's just asking for trouble. Plus dumping your own poop gets really old after a while😅. Good luck y'all. It sucks y'all put all that money into that shed. You could eventually convert it to a vacation stay and bring in extra cash, or just convert it to a work shed.
Just keep going and if anything comes up tell them you built it in place. Add a few pieces to the exterior and basically you did.
I really wish people could get together and come to help these people. I am a contractor and could probably get some people to pitch in. But seriously people need to get together and let's help this couple. This is the life I dream of myself someday.
Before the depression of 1930 all the neighbors use to help new neighbors build their home. If we still help one another as back then, no one would be homeless now. We would have found a way together. I love your idea and your dream.
This is happening all over the country. This is not the 1st couple. In California you can’t build anything on your own land unless your neighbors, the city and the county approve of it first. $$$
Make a concrete foundation and attach the home so that it is no longer readily removable whenever you re construct it 😊
Aren't trailers removable? Put wheels on it?
Yeh, thinking the same thing, but because they transported onto the property is the issue, should have just kept their mouth shut about it.
ppl like matt and cass are the spoiled brats of society, they're not the victim
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 ??I didn't get that at all, what is it about them that you consider "spoiled"? I sense envy resentment in you.
@@pharmerdavid1432 cute projected envy kid LOL i'm good thanks.
I'm not sure about your local code but in New Mexico. If you pour a slab under it and anchor it to the slab, it becomes a permanent structure and Movable structure
Wish you both all the best as I’m doing the same thing in Oregon
As i was just in the Philippines, living in a houseade half of tree branches with a half steel, half nipa roof, with no code, with a kitchen they use open flame wood to cook with. I realize how "free" we are not in the USA
Build a first story structure with a concrete pad and concrete block walls. Use it as a foundation for your removable structure. Pick the removable structure up and put it on top of your new foundation. It’s no longer removable structure. And you have lots of storage underneath.
Tell the local office EXACTLY what you intend to do before you do it
That is what they do with modular homes to become permanent.
We lived in 2 so called cabin/sheds. You can pour a slab & use quick bolts to fasten. Or All thread rods in slab for anchors
Don’t tell on yourself!
I just don’t know HOW they can enforce this code if so many with the state are not even aware of that code?!
They don't. But since these 2 are on YT, they understand trolls would mess with them by specifically reporting them to the state WITH video evidence.
They dont. But when you publicize what you're up to you draw the attention to yourself.
Fuck the government... Public policy does not apply on private land it's not rocket science stand up for yourself.
exactly. If you are really remote, nobody even knows you're there. You can put down your own well, use solar and wind generators + battery bank for power. Build whatever kind of structure you want. If you don't have public utilities and a mailbox, i don't see how anyone can know you're even there. It's not like Township Halls are going to fly a drone over every square mile of property to find that one person who put up a hunting cabin. It's really not worth their money and time.
But yea, you broadcast it on youtube and you get the attention of people in that area.@@BitterrootRambler
That is how you make lawyers rich😂