The REAL Origin of Spider-Man's J. Jonah Jameson
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Throughout the history of Spider-Man, his most relentless villain is unquestionably J. Jonah Jameson, editor-in-chief of the Daily Bugle and all around very loud man. If you as Marvel legend Stan Lee, he'll explain that Jameson is meant to be a parody of himself, but I think the REAL origin goes much deeper. I have a theory that J. Jonah Jameson was inspired by a real-life superhero critic...
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Thanks for having me!
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Interesting parallel. But IMO it's one of those big coincidences in comics.
Having J. K. Simmons to play J Jonah Jameson was like capturing lightning in a bottle
Nice
And then having that bottle DETONATE on them and KILL them!!!
He made an awesome J. Jonah Jameson
He IS J Jonah Jameson!
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J. Jonah Jameson is secretly Spider-Man wearing a human suit.
You've cracked the case!
W H E E Z E
@@NerdSyncProductions but but that scene in the movie
*gasp* Of course it makes so much sense now!
To be fair, I'd kill for some real life photos of Spider-Man too.
you would...?
"Here's a headline: Food Poisoning Scare Sweeps City!"
"Some food was poisoned?"
"I'm feeling a bit nauseous, so yeah."
He is one of the reasons new spiderman movies cant top the raimi movies.
Fake news
J.J Jameson Wanna tell you a secret, your freelance photographer is a man of many masks...
Hey JJJ Jr. what's up?
JJJ you want to fight
@@ArjonRahman The Chameleon?
Y u haaate spider maaaaaaaaaan?!!
Would you ever make a video about the ethics of Peter taking pictures of himself as Spider-Man for profit? I remember reading about how something like that was journalistically underhanded; what would your take be on that?
That's interesting... I'll have to think on that. Great suggestion!
Sprinkles Sundae Kinda sounds like something that would constitute as a crime in the real world, though I’m not a professional on law.
interesting concept
Sprinkles Sundae isn't he just getting paid to take selfies
I've wondered about this as well. There's certainly potential for corruption i.e. "this super villain is falling pretty easy, I should let him run amok a bit to get better pictures." That said, there's bound to be better ways to cash in on it. (Though Peter has also published a since-forgotten book collecting his photos, which seemed to be rather popular in-world. It was a plot excuse to set every issue in another city for a bit while he toured.)
I've also always wondered how any of his pictures are remotely useable. I don't particularly buy the "set it to automatic" excuse. Any professional photographer would flip at the idea of setting a camera to automatic.
I remember a few years back, my parents got me the Marvel Comics: The Complete Visual Guide, and in that book, the description of Jamesson's first appearance is accompanied by the panel of him declaring Spider-Man as a "bad influence on our youngsters," which made me suspect the character may have at been at least partially inspired by Wertham, especially since it wouldn't have been the first time Stan had done that.
No really, back in the fifties when Wertham's crusade was still going strong, Stan wrote a story for one of Marvel's horror anthologies (I'd have to check the book again to remember the exact title and issue) featuring Fredrick Wertham as a mental patient who barges into Marvel's offices to accuse them of all the shit he lambasted the comic industry for IRL, only for the orderlies of his asylum to haul him back before he can finish his rant.
Maple Samurai lol
I think it can be both... They can't directly port a sociologist into comics as a newspaper editor, so the editor part comes from Stan... BUT I absolutely agree the parallels in the narrative line up too well for the reader to NOT make that comparison! I hadn't thought of it before specifically but upon seeing the title (and having seen your other videos on the CCA) I knew exactly where this was going and it totally clicked!
OH man... you missed a chance to just fill the screen with pop ups of every video you have in reference to Stan telling some sort of a lie... SELF PROMO!
Yeah, I was lazy. Haha
Ha, the rest of your video says otherwise! Keep it up.
This is an awesome video - however like you said - Stan Lee was a story teller and “I based JJ on this con man who almost destroyed our industry” makes a far better and more compelling story than “I based him on myself,” so if it were true I think Stan would tell the true story because that would be the most interesting one.
Never has that specific type of mustache been so apropriate.
Fun fact: Hitler only used that style of mustache instead of a more normal one because he was ordered to trim his normal one down, so that the gas masks would make a good seal during any mustard gas attacks
Something wrong with Charlie Chaplin?
Fact Chanel news?, sounds trust worthy
Haha, right?! It sounds suspiciously defensive right out of the gate, haha.
Very trustworthy. Now I know how much of a menace Spider-Man really is.
I gave you your 100th like
I think it was a combination of the two, he self inserted himself in the form of JJJ, but also his experiences. If he wanted JJJ to be a villain it makes sense for him to reflect whomever Stan saw as a villain in his own life
I knew you were gonna pull the astronaut line! I was waiting for that callback to your video with J all video. Not disappointed lol. Awesome video Scott
I had to! Haha
Just as far as the official answer goes, I wonder if Stan didn't necessarily base Jameson on himself, but rather Steve Ditko sought some retribution and created a character to mock Stan, or at least make himself feel better about the "Marvel Comics Method."
I think there's definitely a little of that in there.
Guy Incognito ,you hit the nail on the head bro,knowing the shady dealings Stan has with his co-creators at the time that sometimes leaves his legacy questionable.
I thought he was also based on an anti-comic book activist. I forget his name, but he was obsessed with proving comic books were the cause of so many societal problems.
@@nooneinparticular5256 I guess Fredric Wertham and Jameson have that in common.
@@officialgoogleyoutube Yeah, that was my mistake. I forgot this vid actually went into detail on that activist, and posted this comment...before he got to that subject.
Spider man JJJ are friends right now.
*SPOILERS FOR THE CURRENT SPECTACULAR SPIDER MAN COMIC*
He even knows spider man's true identity.
Oh, for sure. But I think most people recognize him as an adversary still.
Either way, made sense to mention it.
The Sanctified Documents is the series any good?
The first few aren't that good, issue 6 is a good place to start, then the legacy issues are pretty good.
And how do the two feel about that from each others' perspective?
9:33 “you know, the astronaut” is now my favorite cameo 10/10
When you get older and you actually start agreeing with J. Jonah Jameson
Average Person True, lol
Spider-Man is indeed a menace. Let's all agree on that.
Peter Parker is a whirling pool of despair and misery that destroys anything he so much as looks as for to long, but that has nothing to do with spiderman.
You die a hero or live long enough to become a villian
In which regard? Didn't the character spread lies and was closed minded to any contrary evidence to his belief? Or is that what you're saying, that once we get older we become more closed minded?
I would say that him being an editor was based on Stan like how he treated Parker but his position against spidey was Wertham. A combination.
His son is a werewolf! Excelsior true believers!... Spoilers!
Y'know, the astronaut.
Paul Lehman ,I still have the comic ,it wasn't a bad story though.
Paul Lehman The astronaut?
Brione before he was a lycanthrope he was an astronaut. Comics are weird.
Mark Molino I had the tell tale. It was a little story book with a 45 vinyl
What are you waiting for, Chinese New Year?
Endlessly entertaining!
Don't forget to catch him with his hand inside the cookie jar
Awesome video, especially the 'a fact im very proud of' part, love your real origin vids
Thanks! I like making them! Glad people like watching them!
Fredric Wertham?!
He's history's greatest monster!
William Bussey the worst Nazi sympathizer and true Nazi in History
#werthamthenazi
Quack Friedrich Vertam would have made a WONDERFUL anti-Semite were it not for the fact that HE was Jewish HIMSELF!!!
CHIGGS 58TH I understood that reference.
basically the first SJW garbage.
Honestly, I can see how it could be Both a self portrait And a shot at the mental midgets attacking comics. Though I think Stan Lee putting it all on himself was less a full blown "lie" as it was a way to make sure nobody got sued for defamation of character or some such nonsense. As well as making sure that nobody would jump in and make it so "JJ" couldn't continue to be used.
More animated comics please! That last moment where the panels had the voice over was brilliant!!!!
RIP. Stan lee 1922-2018
Scott, your Jameson impression is great! I love any time you do fun voices and impersonations like that, you're definitely an above-average actor and super entertaining to watch!
A great, fun, informative video, as always!
Sal did a good voice for Parker, I'm exited to see his next few
I mean... arguably J3 could be based on ANY journalist/the journalism industry.
But I loved this video :)
For sure. I think in general you can read the relationship between Jameson and Spidey as critics vs the industry.
NerdSync yeah, not just that though - but a general reflection on the way journalism manipulates information for their own gain whether that be political or financial.
Thank you for making these videos! They're always super interesting and compelling please keep going! I'm been watching for many years now think I watched almost all your comic misconception videos hahaha
Very interesting. I never thought of comparing JJJ to Wertham. I just assumed he was a generic, blustery, bully-type character.
One of my favorite issues is Spider-Man #192, in which Spidey is quite literally stuck with J. Jonah while trying to disarm the bomb they are both attached to. It provides some very revealing insights into both characters and their relationship to each other.
I'm thinking it's probably a combination of the two. The parallels are too strong for a lack of influence. Odds are Mercer was more of a subconscious inspiration and the Stan Lee inspiration was more overt.
Hey, Scott! I just wanted to let you know that I just wrote an article (yes, a scientific article) about superhero origins and psychoanalysis, and your videos are listed as a source (a very important source, I might add). I presented a preliminary version of it last week in a congress here in Brazil, and I hope to get it published later this year. Keep up the good work!
Excellent video, Scott!
I appreciate it, man!
Always
JJJ is definitely one of my favorite characters in all of comics. Great tribute to him, Scott! Also oddly a sequel to one of my favorite videos on your channel, excited for the trilogy to be completed ❤
While it is true that J Jonah Jameson's first appearance seems to based on Wertham, it should be noted that his debut lacks the traditional sitcom dynamic of the Daily Bugle that best characterized Jameson at his finest.
There's no Peter Parker selling pictures of Spider-Man to Jameson in that issue, no Jameson brainstorming on how to maximize his profits (which tends to be giving Parker a minimum paycheck for the photos), no Robbie Robertson to temper Jameson's wild temper, no high schoolers like Betty Brant to do all the hard work behind the scenes while their boss gets the majority of the credits.
I believe when Stan Lee says that Jameson was based on himself, he was comparing the working environment of the Daily Bugle to the working environment of Marvel Comics. And there, you can see why he sees Jameson as an exaggerated version of himself.
Hey! Great video! This reminded me of the video you did awhile back explaining why Jameson hates Spider-Man. You guys gave alot of great examples and basically covered it all, but I think The Amazing Spider-Man #192 will provide more insight.
Cool! That was a Super Carlin video.
I've literally been refreshing the page for the past 3 hours to watch this video!
You're a trooper.
It's been a while since I've watched your videos, and your production value has skyrocketed since then! Great video!
Just started the video, scott you are still my favorite youtuber. A nerdsync video is always an amazing gift.
This is now part of my official headcannon.
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You have been hearted.
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I wrote my senior dissertation on Spider-Man, and I never thought to make this connection. Simple yet elegant, it makes perfect sense and illuminates the early issues in an entirely new way. Bravo!
I want to see a sitcom about J.Jonah Jameson set in the mcu. Tom Holland could lend his voice as spider-man while a different actor plays him under the suit.
I would like to see a small budget mcu sitcom. Limited sets and laugh tracks. Okay, maybe not the laugh track.
No laugh tracks! However, a 3J sitcom would entertain an audience.
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I still need that senate hearing video. I always love when you do long rants on comic book history
I think both stories are probably true. I think the initial story was probably based on Wertham. But then Stan just thought it would be too funny to keep the character around and have Peter working for the guy. Which is why he goes from being a writer to an editor in between stories. Then as Stan started writing the character sillier and sillier Someone probably made a joke about Stan being JJJ. Which he then adopted as his own. Even though in the beginning I really think Stan's self insert character was actually Peter himself.
Awsome video! I did not notice any glithes in the end.
You should probably talk about Frank Miller's incredibly intentional parody of Werthem in The Dark Knight Returns.
Sal makes an awesome Spider-Man.
He crushed it!
Are you sure that Stan Lee wasn't looking into the future, and basing J. Jonah Jameson on the owner of Nerdsync, Scott? I think it's likely as we saw in Guardians of the Galaxy, and Nerdsync's video, he can travel through space and time. Assuming that everything I see on UA-cam and Cinemas are automatically factual. Wait, does that mean that Nerdsync kitchen will be returning?
That was great! I really liked the Patreon bit too!!
I believe Stan actually wanted JJJ to be a self-parody, but you can't take the author apart from his context.
He wanted to portray JJJ as a mean guy. Someone who doesn't care about the good that someone does, or the livehood of others. The man that best fitted that description, in Stan's mind, was Wertham.
He didn't lie. He wasn't fully aware of the truth behind his own actions.
I love how you do your videos it has a lot of emotion behind it. Keep it up✊🏿
Very impressed, i don’t know if you edit your own videos but either way the production value on this and a lot of recent videos are amazing. Great job, and good luck. Can t wait till the next video
Man I haven't watched a NerdSync video in such a long time.
If you think about it, Jameson has a point. Its kinda common for heros to become villans in comics so of couse he dosent trust spidey. It makes total sense
Stan Lee used to have a UA-cam series called “Stan’s Rants.” The way he talked and his attitude always made me draw similarities to JJJ. It is sad the show was discontinued.
He also had a "SoapBox" in the Marvel titles, published in the "Bullpen Bulletins."
Dr. Wertham sounds like Dr. Zola, too.
IncanTV in other word wertham is a member of American Nazi party to be more precise the German American bund
#werthamthenazi
Real Origin, Spider-man, 10+ minutes, and Sal from comic-pop. This video feels tailor-made for everything I love
Great video! Love the channel!
You convinced me, Scott! 😅
Btw., since you were asking on Twitter: You really shouldn‘t worry about mentioning the CCA or Fredric Wertham a lot, since those are important topics in comicbook history.
Forget Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Mysterio, Vulture, Black Cat, or even HYDRA. Spidey’s Moriarty is J. Jonah Jameson and his press machine!
*I used to think he is a menace... but now I realize I want pictures of Spider-Man!*
It's strange, as A kid I thought J. Jonah Jamison's personality was too over the top but now for the past 3 years, I've seen people that make him look tamed.
I personally always saw a bit of Jack Kirby in JJ, with the similar hair, New York roots and signatures cigars
Wouldn't be ironic if Stan Lee actually worked for Fredric Wertham as an intern or something?
great video, keep it up broski
Stuff like this is why I love this channel.
Love the cameo by super Carlin brothers
Shhh, don't tell them. Haha
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It's strange, as A kid I thought J. Jonah Jamison was too over the top but now for the past 3 years, I've met people who are like this.
So great to have some NerdSync & Comic POP crossover hope to see more
Another fantastic video. Keep it up Scott!
Listen here, any casual spider-man fan can tell you Jameson’s format was originally Now magazine not the DB. They made him the editor of the DB later on even though the DB did exist before Jameson in Fantastic Four #2
Great video as usual.👍😎
When my mom was a kid, she though J. Johan Jameson was the Green Goblin! I don’t blame her for thinking that!
GET ME PICTURES OF SPIDER-MAN!!!
I love how j Jonah Jameson is just an old man trying to get rid of a spider with his newspaper
The opening of this video was a nice touch
Okay so i've just been bingewatching these videos, and your sheer humour and energy just works so well with this whole format! I known next to nothing about comic books (most of my knowledge comes from wikipedia wormholes and movies) so this is really cool to hear everything people who actually know what theyre talking about have to say!! subscribed, naturally. keep up the good work!
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I'm pretty sure that's not JJJ.
I believe that's a detective trying to sort out who Spider-Man really is. He later goes to JJJ claiming that he's Spider-Man. I remember reading the comic when I was a kid and that image was the cover.
Also the window says "Private Eye".
Great video, though! Always love me some more Spider-Man info!
Great video also super Carlin cameo
So tbh your videos haven't shown up in my sub box for so long that I thought you stopped making videos like mid last year
Very good video. Very interesting topic. I enjoyed learning about the origin of JJ Jamison and it would make sense that the character could be based on Dr. Wortham
I also remember Stan Lee wanting to play the role on JJ or triple J on the Sam Ramey Spiderman, but he said he was too old and just did a cameo.
For your next video just make a smash cut of all the times Stan said something and then everyone else says something different
NS! You mentioned in a video that your comic collection is migrating almost exclusively to digital...was wondering, has this changed since you mentioned it? Has it been reinforced ? Could you do a video on this and why?
Stan's record for truthiness is definitely slippery. That said, JJJ's intro may well have been a reflection of Wortham, but you have years of that character where I wouldn't be at all surprised if Lee's office crackdowns might not have played a role as well.
The Jameson-Wertham connection is something that is obvious in the "Why didn't I think of that" kind of way.
But something much less relevant to the video. Despite Jackman, Evans, and even Holland's connections to their characters, J.K. Simmons is the only actor in superhero media who is truly synonymous with their character. I can't hear his voice without busting out my best "Bring me pictures of Spider-Man!" Zootopia, Whiplash, the last season of Gravity Falls, even Farmer's Insurance commercials are effected.
Levi Phipps you can add Kung fu panda to that list as kai
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the "Super Carlin Brothers" cameo took me by surprise
Your Jameson impression is amazing
This is a really dramatic video. Amazing.
Great intro, already diggin' this video.
I think Ditko wrote the original plot with Lee in mind and Lee wrote the actual narrative as an allegory for the CCA
As soon as Scott mentioned John Jameson, I knew that SCB "You know, the astronaut" reference was coming 😆
fredric wertham's arguments on comics sound like some modern peoples arguments on video games.
I think Jameson was likely a fusion of both stories, inspired mostly by Wortham but the angle of editor-in-chief seems pretty reasonable for Stan to parody himself and how people thought of him in that position.
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Another amazing video