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An SDA Pastor's PATHETIC Response to Answering Adventism (REACTION)
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- Recently, the pastor of Kenhorst SDA Church (@KenhorstSDAChurch) responded to the very first Answering Adventism video put up and evidenced he hadn't bothered to research before responding which resulted in low hanging fruit claims such as that I am angry, a hater, and "attack" the SDA Church. It provides us with yet another case study in the ignorance that permeates SDA leadership at varying levels and how quickly they are to assume all former Adventists are the same, they've "heard all the arguments," but then demonstrate very clearly that they haven't and struggle to actually listen and meaningfully engage.
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In Defense of the First Day Sabbath (Part 2): ua-cam.com/users/livei6QEd53sbUk
Blasphemous Adventists & The Ghost of Ellen White: ua-cam.com/users/liveEd6Mmrim5og
Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction
0:35 - Ellen White's Role in Adventism
06:29 - Misconceptions about Ellen White's Influence?
09:00 - Adventist Doctrinal Unity and Ellen White's Guidance
17:16 - Speculation on Former Adventists' Motivations
21:46 - The Adventist Jesus vs. Historical Jesus
22:44 - Core Issues with Adventism
27:48 - Familiarity with Adventist Arguments
32:18 - Misinterpretations of the Priestly Role of Christ
35:33 - Sabbath as the Seal of God
42:27 - Misunderstanding the New Birth
44:48 - Understanding Adventism's Doctrine
45:45 - Investigating Adventist Doctrine
47:23 - Understanding the SDA Church's Mission
49:31 - Rejecting False Teachings
51:23 - Warning Against Deception
01:00:53 - Debunking Adventist Claims
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Myles there is a channel called Advent Defense League. They constantly go live and want to converse with you.
We’re aware. They know why they are ignored but continue lying to make it appear like we are afraid of them. When no, they have the receipts just like I do. I share this with anyone who mentions them here. This is from an email responding to Edwin Cotto who emailed us in August 2023 referencing to December 2022.
“Hi Edwin -
I don't know what you and Chris discussed. What I do know is on December 12, 2022 I sent you an email that included the following:
"After seeing how much of a coward you are when you think people aren't watching, I have zero interest in debating you. You can't say things to people's face that you actually believe, but will when you think they aren't watching. Be a man. Stop being a coward."
To which, part of your reply included:
"Next time don't invite me to debate and then bail out because you don't like my 'attitude.'"
I'm not sure why you think this has changed...? You also claimed that I couldn't be trusted to be a respectful interlocutor and your "precious time" was too valuable. But then when Answering Adventism starts to grow, you demanded in the comments that I debate you. Now here you are again. You are more than welcome to show up to an open stream to discuss the sabbath simply because I won't bar you. But outside of that, I have zero interest in debating you.
The irony of your reply is that you initially didn't want to debate me because of my "attitude" with Keith ("emotional," can't be trusted to be a respectful interlocutor, etc.).
So you have known this was my reasoning for almost a year now yet you continue to run your mouth to your echo chamber trying to make it seem like I'm afraid to debate you. As if it isn't on principle having told you 9 months ago why (you're pretentious, disingenuous, rude, etc.). No one is scared of you, my man. But I get it, it makes you feel good to your base that calls you, so do your thing.
You have lied about me publicly numerous times (of which I have the receipts). You have openly stated that you want to see, not just my ideology destroyed, but me personally. When you have made it clear that your purpose and mission is one rooted in hate, seeing people destroyed, etc. the decision to dust my feet off from you almost a year ago has proven to be the right decision.
We are praying for you all. And Happy Lord's Day! It was an excellent time of covenant renewal today, feasting on Christ, His benefits, and His Word. Hopefully one day you'll become a Christian and join us! That's the prayer anyway.”
We purposely ignore them. They are not serious representatives of Adventism. We aren’t wasting time playing games like that and they simply want to try and get pats on the back, not see people come to (what they believe to be) the truth.
We dusted our feet off from them over a year and a half ago at this point and on principle will continue ignoring them. Engaging them lowers this platforms credibility.
Edwin and Jason both had opportunities, they turned it down. Answering Adventism starts to grow and then they demand I go on their silly channel and engage them. Yeah, no, that’s not how this works. I initially offered, they didn’t want to. I moved along and because the platform grew, now they demand I answer to their beck and call. Nope. Kick rocks, goobers.
@@answeringadventismYet Ed Cotto won’t debate Sam Shamoun.
Nobody mentions that.
@@answeringadventismwonderfully put. Those guys are totally pointless and clowns. They can't even get official endorsement from their church leadership to represent the church. They are so desperate for attention and clout.
The disciples of EGW instead of following the instructions given in the Bible to test their prophet, they defend their false prophet /system
Edwin is a coward, a l'air and a hypocrite. He blocked me when i challenge his prooftext, hopscotch interprétation of scriptures. He ferls good on his Platform bécause his indoctrinated mignions applaud his ignorance. Sad
I am embarrassed to know I was once an adventist. I am embarrassed for this pastor to not knowy that EGW writings influence SDA.
The spirit of prophecy is not Ellen White , but the power of the Holy Spirit that moves Believers to preach the Gospel of Christ .
I think this guy is angry with someone who is Adventist. And now he makes it his point to attack SDA. I feel sorry for him.
I'm not surprised. Even paul was fighting Jesus.
@@linomario258
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Good SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day !
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
@@linomario258
5 - 26 - 24
Thank you for confirming that you are UNABLE and UNWILLING to explain POINT by POINT EXACTLY how the gentleman in this video said that was incorrect about Adventism
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Good SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day!
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
I'm a former Adventist, but my family still SDA'S. I went to Oakland College in the 80's. I'm new to You're videos but I use to watch Pastor Ratzinger and his wife. . I learned about how false the investigative judgment is; that used to scare me! I was afraid all the all of the time! Now I 'm a true follower of Jesus saved by Grace❤ keep up the good work!
Thanks for doing this reaction vid Myles. I was screaming at my screen when I watched the original vid. He has the great controvercy world view but no idea what adventism really is.
Which is the sad part. Like the frog in boiling water but totally unaware.
Yes Myles stay faithful to God’s clear word. You can’t go wrong. Psalms 111 : 7, 8, 10. Do what Jesus told us to do. Matthew 24: 20.
Take to heart the word of God, Hebrews 4 : 3 - 11. And then we could all meet together when the prophecy of Isaiah 66: 22, 23 comes to pass. See you then.
@@fournierro1
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The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S, praying and worshipping are interchangeable
1st Thessalonians 5 : 16 - 18
Are you going to suggest that ALL Seventh day Adventists should NOT WORSHIP on SUNDAY'S or SEVEN days out of the WEEK ?
SIMPLE Yes.....or.....no
@@fournierro1
5 - 26 - 24
Going to an SDA church on Saturday's and telling like minded people "" Happy Sabbath ! "" doesn't mean by default you are NOW all of a sudden part of the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church which KEEPS and OBEYS ALL the LAW of ALL the Commandments of God
What about the other NINE Commandments ?
So all the pastors, theologians, and theology nerds who get passionate about theology are… spiritually hurt? 😂
Come on Bro Miles.
Keep on presenting the Bible truth as always...
Praise The Lord
They will need to learn it first.
@@fournierro1
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He just QOUTED your OWN
Seventh day Adventist literature
Seventh day Adventist authorities
Seventh day Adventist Theologians using your OWN Websites about
Ellen G White being the INFALLIBLE INTERPRETER of the Holy Bible of God's Word of Holy writ
@@fournierro1
5 - 26 - 24
Going to an SDA church on Saturday's and telling like minded people "" Happy Sabbath ! "" doesn't mean by default you are NOW all of a sudden part of the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church which KEEPS and OBEYS ALL the LAW of ALL the Commandments of God
What about the other NINE Commandments ?
This is part of the reason why I left SDA, because they are so judgemental and they think they're the only righteous people. Lol ok.
Rather be a doer nd listen really who Jesus is
Ya just do what Jesus asked us to do. Matthew 24 20.
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Good SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day!
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
And the Sunday Churches are not?
If a group can’t identify distinctive differences between the true Christ and false Christs of different religions, believing that they worship Jesus on the basis of the statement “we worship Jesus”, that should be a strong indicator that they themselves are more than likely following a false Christ. Everyone makes the claim that they believe in Jesus within every counterfeit Christian group. If they don’t know how to identify the false then how can they know the True Christ? To know the true Jesus simultaneously exposes the counterfeit. The same problem is exposed when people can’t make a distinction between the true and false gospel. If they don’t know which points, If deducted from the true gospel formula, equals a false gospel, then they prove that they are accustomed to lacking a sufficient understanding of the topic as a result of living within a system that embraces a formula which is missing the qualifying points of the True gospel. I have a friend who is SDA and he says “we believe the true gospel” but doesn’t know what a false gospel is and what makes the True gospel, True. That means his belief that his church embraces and teaches the true gospel is based on the statement “we embrace and teach the true gospel” alone.
Goodd
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Good point
BIBLICAL GOSPEL
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
Awesome point.
Ad homonym isn’t a defence
💯
Blame the victim, ty Sda. That is so cruel.
The assumption, if you weren't abused, you would believe the doctrine.
Some of them are so beyond tone deaf.
That's absolutely true, SDAs are commanded to understand the Bible in the same way Ellen g white understood it, no one is allowed to interpret Bible differently from Ellen g white
Wrong
@@warlyfreshReally? Show us an éminent sunday Law in scriptures ?
Show us Where in scriptures thé Sabbath is thé eschatological seal? Dont run
lol people nowadays just talk without checking fax 🤣🤣 we claim the bible as the source of all knowledge Ellen white has nothing to do with my believes or salvation to come she’s just like you and me who have the will and approval from God himself to preach the 3 angles messages in the latter days 2 Timothy 3 Dan 2:28 gen 49:1 John 12:48 go deep may God be with you
If she was off the I would. But contradicting truth is not my thing. Psalms 111: 7, 8 10. The only commandments God wrote down using Hos own hands are the TEN COMMANDMENTS. 😉
@@fournierro1
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Just merely going to an SDA church on Saturday's and telling like minded people "" Happy Sabbath ! "" doesn't mean by default you are the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church which KEEPS and OBEYS ALL the LAW of ALL the Commandments of God
What about the other NINE Commandments ?
I studied my way out of Adventism and into true Christianity around 8 years ago and the “who hurt you?” is one of the most common questions I get from SDA’s. I encourage them to study the history of the SDA church and read their Bible without the EGW filters, but they always go back to “but what happened to hurt you?” I’m not hurt. I truly love many SDAs and I didn’t have a bad home life. I want Jesus and His truth! And I chose Him over many SDA relationships that dissolved when I left. I pray that many see the truth about the SDA bubble and study their way to the true Gospel of Christ.
Where is it in this video where I saw you pop up the Hopscotching Logo? It reminded me of something that we learn from hopscotching EGW writings as well. That is, that the special resurrection occurs at the time of the beginning of the final jubilee, comparing Early Writings with Great Controversy. I was looking to see if you still think there is a special resurrection, well do you? Or do you now regard the special resurrection doctrine an error?
Did it come from the Scriptures?
If it came from EGWitless it's cursed, why would anyone believe it?
Where is this in the scripture? Where is the pre-earth narrative in scripture that EGW writes? Not to mention she is borrowing from sources she calls Babylon 🤔
Give us chapter and verse and just like the Bereans let us decided if these things are so. If it’s not in the Canon, we don’t want it.
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Pastor James $150,000.00 a year, make you do not mind to full of DENIAL and LIAR!!!
Bro, I watch from PNG and Im a fan of your podcasts. I watched a few kenhosts podcasts and clearly came across his heretic comments and misunderstandings of bible verses. I laugh when I come across his heretic statements. Lol
James really demonstrates his incredible ignorance.
So surprised James carries thr label of pastor. SMH😊
An Adventist not believing what Paul wrote doesn't surprise me.
An Adventist equating to Scripture what a false messenger wrote under demonic influence still grieves me.
An Adventist going to an Eternal Hell screaming they kept the corrupted Sabbath of Adventism is what Myles is trying keep from happening.
It's why Believers support him and the community that has grown over the years.
Adventist, we are praying for you, not preying on you.
🕊️
Why do Adventists at times display such
hostility toward the cross? Is it all a part of the
"deconstruction" of our God Jesus Christ and
what he did for us and a "reconstruction" of
ourselves what we can do for ourselves?
And all with Christ's help, of course, of course
. . . .
By following his example, of course, of course .
. . .
Our elder brother, of course, of course . . . .
Michael the archangel, of course, of course . . .
.
Who has an evil twin named Lucifer, of course,
of course . . . .
If Adventists keep going down this primrose
path, where are they going to end up?
Lucifer, the Son of God?
Fear him?
And keep his, Lucifer's, commandments?
Don't even go there . . . not even in your mind.
We don't ignore Paul's writings. Paul says numerous times in Romans that we are saved by Grace and not the law. But he also says numerous times that we should still keep the law.
Paul even says if you don't follow the commandments you're not subject to God's law. If you're not subject to God's law how will you be subject to it in heaven?
Here's an example of being saved by Grace but keeping the law
Romans 6:1-2
Romans 6:12-14
Romans 6:15-20
Romans 3:31 - Paul actually says here to establish the Law.
Romans 7:7
Paul is saying under the law we ALL are deserving of death. But we are no longer under the law but we are under Grace. If it wasn't for Grace, confessing sins and repentance wouldn't matter. Because we would be held to the law and transgressing the law even once is deserving of death.
But now that we are under grace we shouldn't just remain in sin.We should repent which means to turn away from sin and Instead we should practice the law.
I don't think all SDAs will go heaven and I don't think all Sunday Church goers will go to hell. But the Bible makes a case for keeping the Sabbath.
@@mikhailhunter5277 No he doesn't. He says we are dead to the Law. It was a task master and now it is obsolete.
@@mikhailhunter5277 Deuteronomy 4
11¶“You came near and stood at the foot of the mountain, while flames from the mountain shot into the sky. The mountain was shrouded in black clouds and deep darkness.
12And the LORD spoke to you from the heart of the fire. You heard the sound of his words but didn’t see his form; there was only a voice.
13He proclaimed his covenant-the Ten Commandments -which he commanded you to keep, and which he wrote on two stone tablets.
14It was at that time that the LORD commanded me to teach you his decrees and regulations so you would obey them in the land you are about to enter and occupy.
Fire and Fear accompanied the Sinaitic Covenant called the Old Testament.
On a day quite different from that day on Horeb, God gave us the teachings of the New Testament.
No smoke, no fire, and God was visible to the people on the Mount of Olives. Instead of standing away from the mountain, God had the people with Him and they were not afraid.
Except for the Jewish religious leaders that is, who knew their time was coming to an end.
Maybe you should examine the Scriptures for yourself.
Just as you won't believe the Truth from us, we won't believe a lie from the devil.
🕊️🙏🕊️
@@RandomTChance
Romans 6:1-2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? CERTAINLY not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
Romans 6:12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should OBEY it in its lusts.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? CERTAINLY NOT! Do you not know that you to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, whether of sin leading to death, or obedience leading to righteousness?
But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, YET YOU OBEYED from the heart.....
18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said "you shall not covet".
The last one I quoted is interesting, he quoted the 10th commandment as an example. He's saying if you know the Law and you transgress it, you have sinned. I don't think all people who attend Church on Sunday will be condemned, because many are faithful. But I do believe that if someone is AWARE that breaking the sabbath is a sin. I do believe they will be condemned.
Romans 8:7 "Because the carnal mind is ENMITY (hostile) against God; for it's not SUBJECT TO THE LAW OF GOD nor indeed can be."
He's saying if you don't follow the commandments you are not subject to the law of God, you are hostile towards God. This is however if you are aware that you are breaking a commandment and continue to do so. You're not saved if you are hostile to the law of God.
I honestly don't think people read Romans, they only look at the verses that the pastor mentions in Church. There is NO WAY from reading Romans that you come to the conclusion that we are saved by Grace but we can willfully sin. Paul spends HALF of Romans emphasizing the law.
We must keep the law, BUT understand that it is our belief in the sacrifice of Jesus that will save us and not our own keeping of the law.
This thinking is consistent with other verses in the Bible.
Matt 5:17
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."
Matt 7:21
"Not everyone who says to Me Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven..." 23 And then I will declare to them I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice LAWLESSNESS!"
That verse is talking about BELIEVERS specifically who are talking about all their WORKS. But he tells them to depart from them because they don't follow the 10 commandments.
John 14:15 "If you love Me, keep my commandments."
🔥 PRAY for JERUSALEM GB 🔥🎺
Also pray for Palestine.
@@rutebighaus8972
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I believe Jerusalem is in Palestine
Can you tell me the book and the page where egw spoke about the 7 steps to the sanctuary?
Great Controversy, Patriarchs and Prophets, Prophets & Kings. She talked about it all throughout her writings because it’s a central fulcrum for the SDA system.
But Christ in His Sanctuary is a compilation book that compiles it together from all over into one single smaller book.
Read it in total. It’s about 9 chapters. Can be easily read in a day.
@@answeringadventism ok thanks
The fact that he chose to react to your 6 minute intro video instead of any of your other in-depth videos speaks volumes. It’s scary that this man is even a pastor.
It's scary that you're letting a deceived man mislead you.
@@BallersLife3
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Adventistm is deceived by EGW
It makes my stomach upset hearing this infant minded guy.
You mean Myles? Why does your stomach get upset over spiritual things, are you sure you're not fighting this thing using your own power?
Your stomach was churning because it's allergic to truth.😂
He pisses on the Ten Commandments and claims to be saved of Christ.
I am not referring to Myles of course. No I don’t use my own power since I don’t believe anymore in “own efforts” like SDAs anymore since a happy one year and 3 months.😛
@@trueroyalty3342 The bible literally pisses on the Ten Commandments. Paul even refer to it as poop. I know it sounds strange but true. Adventist will never understand because how they were taught.
If this wasn't such a serious matter it would be almost funny. Nice to see so many non-SDAs carefully analyzing the Adventist church.
You're so right Myles. I used to go to a SDA church and they were always attacking the Sunday Churches. It seem to me like a kind of hatred. Now when people attack them, it's wrong.I don't think this is how God wants Christians to behave. We should love and pray for one another even if we don't agree. Love your videos ❤
Don’t get blinded read the bible yourself seek the truth especially in the end times it’s not about what everyone else think it’s you on your on with God don’t let this man deceive you
I hate that people like to use the "SDA was judgemental” as if Sunday Christians are not attacking the SDA church constantly-especially guys like Miles and Sam, who want to be rude and attack. Stop being a hypocrite, bro. There's someone bad in all denominations.
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LDS : Joseph Smith said Angels have GOLDEN PLATES
SAME AS.........
SDA : Ellen G White said Angels have GOLDEN CARDS
( Early writings 39 : 2 )
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Ask a Seventh day Adventist
Using the Bible ONLY
Using the Bible FIRST
As Adventists claim to do
WHERE in the KJV Bible 1611,or in the Hebrew, Aramaic or GREEK of the text do Angels have
GOLDEN PLATES GOLDEN CARDS just because Ellen G White and her contemporary Joseph Smith said so
( Chapter and verse please )
If they don't mind
Thank you in advance
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LDS : Joseph Smith was ALSO a SELF proclaimed Spirit of Prophecy
SAME AS.........
SDA : Ellen G White was ALSO a SELF proclaimed Spirit of Prophecy
Kenhorst, you can not debate with evidence but resort to ridiculing Myles of his upbringing. This is shameful!
When they can’t debate or refute your points they quickly resort to insults or false accusations
Right, so silly. Especially considering my upbringing was super basic, lower middle class, midwestern American living 😂
@@mfrieza2842 Where was the insult? 🤦🏾♂️😩
Right, only Myles can throw ridiculing remarks, and throw condemnation at people while he’s at it. I truly always thought that God is the one that will condemn or save people smh I guess I thought wrong 🤷♀️
@@skatehunny Adventist do the ridiculing them selves
I wasn’t aware the SDA doctrine was this bad. It is really frightening.
I don't know what's funnier, what he says or ur reaction to it myles 😂
I challenged Myles to a debate. He instead went ad hominem in his emotive responses. It's very interesting that it's the same card he tries to pull out to defend himself here. If this is not hypocrisy, then I don't know what is. Further, Myles has no real content that is objective on all topics he's attempted to 'answer'. This is why all his rants are in this echo chamber where fellow frustrated former Adventists and Adventism haters can redefine and reinvent Adventist Theology then attack it to their own amusement without an intelligent voice or thought to the contrary. But try and contrive all he would, in a few or many years from now, Myles will still have in his corner a handful of his similarly frustrated echo chamber warriors, while Adventism will continue to add thousands to their number. His kind isn't the first, and certainly won't be the last, and Adventism will rest in the assurance that it has grown from a small group nearly two centuries ago to the millions that it now is, partly off of the labours of detractors like Myles.
To Myles: You have devoted a lot of energy in an endeavour that will just leave you all spent and ineffective in the end, and I doubt this is the Gospel of Christ unless, as you have often done here, you redefine that Gospel.
I see you've made several assertions about Myles's approach and intentions. You claim he went ad hominem and lacks objective content in his discussions on Adventist Theology. However, it is crucial to highlight that Myles consistently references primary sources from Ellen White and official Adventist websites, which undercuts the claim about his lack of objective content. Can you provide a concrete example of Myles redefining Adventist Theology in a way that strays from these primary sources?
Regarding your challenge for a debate, it would be helpful to know if you are officially recognized by the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Myles typically engages with representatives who are officially recognized, ensuring that discussions reflect the church's current standings and teachings.
You also label the platform as an "echo chamber" and criticize the support Myles receives, contrasting it with the growth of Adventism. It's important to note that your comments, along with dissenting views, are present and unblocked on this forum, which is not characteristic of an echo chamber. How do you reconcile this openness with your accusation, especially in light of the fact that many Adventist forums and official channels often block or limit critical perspectives? This point calls for a reflection on the real hypocrisy regarding open dialogue and intellectual honesty.
Let's strive for a constructive dialogue that not only respects foundational Adventist writings (as Myles does) but also embraces open and honest debate. This would truly reflect the spirit of seeking truth, as advocated by the Gospel of Christ.
- claims ad hominem’s were levied
- writes out a massive ad hominem
- claims Myles is a hypocrite
Yeah, good one.
If you haven’t realized by this point, you are owed nothing. You don’t receive a debate simply because you demand it. But keep coping. You dealt with not a shred of what was presented.
And if you think AA is an echo chamber, you clearly aren’t plugged in here. It’s like you guys can’t make up your mind. On the one hand I’m supposedly linking arms with Roman Catholics and am an “ecumenist” and the next breath this is an echo chamber 😂
But as I said, keep these silly types of defenses up.
@@LampManTruth "It's important to note that your comments, along with dissenting views, are present and unblocked on this forum, which is not characteristic of an echo chamber. "
I will be the first to tell you that many of my former comments were bloked, muted and removed for anawering his videos and showing his errors. He just claims that my comments are heretical or that I was bearing false witness which goes against his policies for commenting here.
So its a no win situation for us SDA to try to defend or challenge his assertions here.
@@Worldwide-cs5jt you are a liar. No, not a single comment has been deleted by us. If someone violates the channel guidelines they are blocked after warning and that results in all of their comments being hidden.
No ones goes through and deletes single comments unless it’s spamming links.
You guys keep claiming this yet don’t even realize UA-cam has its OWN filters and filters comments. This is for all channels, not just ours. We have zero control over this. If you keep lying about this you’ll be blocked.
Here is your dissenting comments and they aren’t blocked yet you keep trying to make this silly claim.
@LampManTruth
Welcome on here, mate. Your commitment to defending and whitewashing this fellow is admirable, for whatever is in it for you. As far as this being an echo chamber goes, it goes without qualification. My comments on the previous thread with you were deleted, so far as they were pinpointed in addressing and exposing Myles' hypocrisy, and it turns out that I am not the only one, as I read here. The fact that you want to deny that fact is a very strong case in favor of the hypocrisy I am ascribing to you guys.
Redefining Adventist Theology: this Myles fellow keeps charging that Adventists have a different Jesus, inter alia, in spite of clear cut denial from Adventists themselves. He's invented a Jesus whom he's trying to impose on Adventists, then damn them for his own invention. I don't know what can be more disingenuous and begoted than that.
The pastor’s outlined reasons for why people leave the church are tone-deaf. People’s reasons for leaving the church vary and to lump everyone altogether as church hurt and coming from a troubled background is disturbing. It demonstrates how detached Adventists, with this type of reasoning, are from people who have legitimate concerns and issues with the SDA organization. For the pastor to be so dismissive of people’s concerns and paint them with such a broad brush is careless and shows a lack of empathy on his part. It’s easier for the church to place the blame on former members rather than to take any sort of accountability for some of the reasons members depart.
He says "the Bible" is wnough" but proceeds to say that E.G.W writings are "the spirit of prophecy". He contradicts himself and is blasphemous.
Is the sanctuary even there? where?
U are a GUNSLINGER FOR JESUS POWPOW LOVE IT
Myles man you’re doing God’s work here. You’re speaking for a lot of us former SDAs who have been gaslighted, made to feel like black sheep and so much more. Keep it going man we salute you 🫡
Also not sure if you’ve seen, but Pastor Eric Mason called out SDAs for being cult like in a recent IG video and SDAs were in his comments going crazy 😂. Would love to hear your commentary on it or try to see if you can get in on the debate they’re planning later on. Peace and blessings!
🔥 PRAY for JERUSALEM 🔥 GB 🕊️🔥🎺
Myles your reactions are golden!! 😂😂
Just woundering.... I have the same light you have! If I follow your path, agreen with all ehat you say... Do you think our names will be keep for eternal life? How God will judge us? What if you and I are wrong and instead of actually showing the correct path, we are wrong and the SDA and all their belives are the correct one? What if all of them are right and we are wrong? Dont you think that in a way we are being used by the enemy ? If you are not SDA any more wich is okay for me.. what are you real belives? I have seen your videos and at the end... I have this feeling of you been angry with God and at the end all it reduced to your own relationship with him. Ive been in the same path and i have no doubt that he is taking me back to the same place! Not only the scripture, the bible but to belive once again in the inspiration he provided to Ellen G white and the SDA Church! The one who will remind stand when jesus come are the ones who jeep his commands and have Jesus Testiminy. The scripture says that... why we should contradict it?
I watched Kenhost podcast and definitely learnt how misguided he is.
God bless you sir! Thank you so much for this information. i once debated an Adventist on the Sabbath and he outright denied any reliance of the SDA church on Ellen White's authority.
What you mean study?? For your MDiv or rPhD??
I learned that in PUC
❤EGW's weirdest prophecy is the Sunday Law...
@ivanmarkpadilla4810
EGW's weirdest prophecy is the Sunday Law..
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It's a prophecy! That means it's in the future. You cannot judge it unless the Lord returns and it did not happen. But have you been aware of all the calls from the Pope and Eveangelicals for Sunday sacredness? Have you heard the number of voices lobbying for Sunday to be kept holy in order to save the planet?
1Cor. 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts:
I would like pastor james to see this video and lets see what his reply is
You always said study, what it’s mean???
I know people who have become SDAs WITHOUT even knowing about EGW but by just reading the Bible .
I know people who have become Methodists from just reading the Bible. I know people who have become Jehovahs Witnesses by just reading the Bible. I know people who have become Catholic by just reading the Bible.
That has literally zero bearing on the fact that Ellen White is the infallible interpreter for the SDA church, which we saw very plainly from the sources looked at. That was the objection raised in my video that James was responding to. People becoming SDA without being knowledgeable on SDA systematic theology is irrelevant that point still being true.
The same Holy Spirit who inspired the authors of the Scripture, the same also transmitted its interpretation, at the right time. But those who stumble accusingly, have not read, they are just repeating what other malicious people say. And the chain of weaknesses continues with the ignorant who do not know what they are talking about!
They just lie and lie. And attack character instead of the issue at hand.
Myles, I am so thankful I found this channel. I was able to discover who your dad is and have been truly blessed by his sermons. I'm listening to the third one just today. Series is "Doing Life Together" I've probably listened to at least 8 of his sermons so far and look forward to more. Great stories and so Christ centered!
Stories and Christ are definitely two ways I’d describe his sermons! 😄 And if you’re me, you’ve heard the stories at least 9 times lol
But also a reminder that not all SDAs are consistent. Which is actually a blessing 😉
🔥 pray for JERUSALEM 🔥 GB 🕊️🔥
That was jaw dropping when he said the Holy Spirit is not the seal of God…
Blinded to the truth. Only possible answer.
James, the Holy Spirit is no doubt the seal of God in the new covenant. Eph 1:13 & 4:30
Sabbath is the seal of God during Mosaic covenant Ex 31:17
It was used as a sign between God & Israel. Not gentiles.
We cannot use Name, Title & territory to identify the seal of God. The bible clearly said that Holy Spirit is the seal of God period.
God bless all.
Is the HS the SEAL or the SEALING AGENT?
This poor guy. He is so nieve and brainwashed. Is he afraid to research. Like you said no duh to. His resources include other sda preachers. Save him Jesus
I wonder what Myles would say about the state of death....are people burning in hell right now?!
Yes
Jesus told the story of the rich man and the poor man who died. That was not made up, Jesus doesn't make stuff up and it was not a parable. Jesus was teaching about the reality of heaven and hell. “Abraham’s bosom” This was a comfortable space of peace for those that died in Christ before he was crucified.
The New Testament indicates that sheol/hades is a temporary place, where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection and judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 makes a clear distinction between hades and the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the permanent and final place of judgment for the lost. Hades, then, is a temporary place. Many people refer to both hades and the lake of fire as “hell,” and this causes confusion. Jesus did not go to a place of torment after His death, but He did go to hades.
Sheol/hades is a realm with two divisions-a place of blessing and a place of judgment (Matthew 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23; Acts 2:27-31). The abodes of the saved and the lost are both generally called “hades” in the Bible. The abode of the saved is also called “Abraham’s bosom” (KJV) or “Abraham’s side” (NIV) in Luke 16:22 and “paradise” in Luke 23:43. The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus died, He went to the blessed side of sheol, or paradise. (Some believe, based on a particular interpretation of Ephesians 4:8-10, that Jesus took believers with Him from sheol to another place of bliss that we now call heaven. More likely, Ephesians 4 refers to the ascension of Christ.) All the unbelieving dead go to the cursed side of hades to await the final judgment. All the believing dead go to the blessed side of hades to await the resurrection.
The Bible is to read with the intention to learn about Jesus. If we lack understanding pray and ask God for His wisdom. Read the scripture as It Is Written and rest knowing he says knock and it shall be opened unto you. Let The Holy Spirit do His work in His time. Blessings 🙏🏽
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Glad I found this channel, the ignorance the pastor has is what I had just 2 years ago. He picks and chooses aspects of what it means to be and know about SDA.
No man can come to Me unless the Father who hath sent Me draws him; (John 6,44) This text seems relevant to me. If the Holy Spirit is removed from someone, no amount of argument will change that person's mind. An army of enemies has formed, claiming that they are better at interpreting Scripture. They fight with all their might, with anyone who does not agree with their way of understanding. And the attack goes in one direction as if everyone else is fine. They feed criticism on everyone who quarrels with the discipline, to add extra arguments to their rebellion. For the time will come when like foolish virgins, they will see their oil run out. I hope they wake up when they can buy oil!
Further to my comment... If God would be your suscriber What would you think eill be tbe answer he can give to Your own belives and interpretation of his word? I mean now that I am in my way back something that has been very useful is that I aleqys ask the quetion.. What will Jesus Do? If you would be able to see God Face to face And confront The SDA Light directly with him... What would you think would be the answer he would be giving to you? Me having this youtube channel fighting against SDA Church belives, Is this your Will? Is tbis the drram you have for me? Agter all... you are a christian and I think your porpuse on this ministry is provide the light of God! What would be God's answer?....
You should try to get him on your youtube channel
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So you studied your way out of adventism . Can you show me the study that changes Gods law . Please respond with a mature , clear explanation, from scripture. Thank you.
This is very remedial thinking. That unless Gods Law changes, Adventism is vindicated.
This is no different than thinking that if seventh day sabbatarianism is true Adventism must be also.
No, all of Adventist theology is filtered through an extra biblical paradigm-the great controversy theme. We have looked at this in depth countless times. It’s YOUR duty to actually listen more like James failed to do and not rely on sound bites and comments in the comment section. If you think this can all be boiled down to a comment reply then that’s also part of the problem.
The great controversy theme has ZERO basis in scripture. Your own scholars are on record stating this-not Answering Adventism. Once that is falsified (the great controversy theme) your entire system collapses. Ellen White being falsified, like we saw with GI Butler, leads to all of Adventism collapsing.
Again, it’s very remedial to think if the law doesn’t change, now Adventism is vindicated and true. Not even close.
I’ve never said Gods law changed. You assumed this.
I have talked about my view of the law numerous times. We have a website. Did you bother to look before commenting?
Again, I’m not going to spoon feed you because you demand it. Go listen like I do to your organizations representatives and actually learn what I believe. Stop making assumptions.
@@answeringadventism so no bible verses?
It's your word against a "Thus saith the Lord," so prove your position with proof texts.
We're not here to play on the devil's playground.
One reason Adventists are struggling could be condemnation.
You see adventists are still being judged by the covenant ten commandments. They are yet to be redeemed from the curse of the law. I would think that alone would account for losing a few members from the local sabbath school. Please give your thoughts and respond. Now faith has come in this the dispensation of grace we have an apostle to the gentiles to explain grace faith and law. God bless you all.
You do know the 10 commandments reflect the character of God, right? 😅
Does thé décalogue teach forgiveness ?@@warlyfresh
@@warlyfreshHello, do know you know the 10 commandments. It is not the 10 commandments that completely, perfectly and eternally represent God the Father, but Jesus Christ does.
Please see (in Hebrews 1:1) that the old covenant law -- the Ten Commandments -- represents God only partially, imperfectly and temporarily.
Now, by contrast, we will see that God the Son completely, perfectly and eternally represents God the Father. Following are eight Scriptures
(NIV) that say so.
1. ISAIAH 9:6.
2. JOHN 12:45-56.
3. JOHN 14:9-10.
4. 2 CORINTHIANS 2:4.
5. PHILIPPIANS 2:6-7.
6. COLOSSIANS 1:15.
7. COLOSSIANS 1:19
8. HEBREWS 1:1-3.
Conclusion: If God the Son completely,
perfectly and eternally represents God the
Father and the Ten Commandments do not,
then when Christ Jesus came he completely,
perfectly and eternally FULFILLED them and
REPLACED them with the Person of himself.
And, since his Commandments recorded in
the New Testament (new covenant) do not
include Sabbath keeping, tithe paying,
circumcising, ham shunning, jewelry shunning,
wine shunning and people shunning behaviors,
they are simply not on the true Christ-follower's obedience list
Isa 8:20. Is clear, to the Law nd the testimony
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He must mean a Luke 14:26 hate.
Seeing the democratic movement losing to Republicans and uniting church and state it doesn't seem impossible.
Yeah bécause Ur brainwashed
I like your videos Miles.
I have been learning a lot
She says she is a lesser light pointing people to the greater light. She still remains a light, which you Myles do not acknowledge. SDA's do, because we believe she was called of God and in harmony with scriptures.
Right, you ignore the clear sources shown. Just like I said. Just more of the script on your part.
Nowhere did I claim she didn’t claim to be the “lesser light.” You just ignore the fundamental beliefs book which practically APPLIES what that term means-that she is the pilot of the scriptures, the infallible interpreter-which is perfectly in line with the statement of confidence in her writings, etc. and instead, you just parrot back SDA talking points because you can’t deal with the substance.
James claimed I had no basis for my reason in the video he’s responding to. I clearly showed yes I do. It isn’t our job to make you see the truth.
@chocolate44ly how is that the lesser light contradicts (Sabbath day seal) what's in the Bible and then also adds (1844 investigative judgement & the health message) to what is in the Bible as extra information?
On top of all this ,she claimed all other Protestant churches plus the Catholic church are being devil breathed and are or will receive the mark of the beast by worshipping on Sunday.
When you keep the sabbath holy then you will be sealed with the Holy Spirit so you need both of them to be sealed
Says you and not Paul. Notice your addition to the text. No, the GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION, believing that Gospel, then sealed as a down payment of salvation.
Nothing about the sabbath which you guys have turned into an idol.
the seal is still circumcision. Col 2:11 New Living Translation
When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision-the cutting away of your sinful nature. Rom 4:11He received the sign of circumcision as a seal
The fact that this SDA "pastor" speaks blasphemies against the Holy Spirit trying to apply the seal of God tag to Ellen's fake doctrine of the Sabbath, instead of Whom it really applies to, shows that he is not born again of the Holy Spirit. The more SDAs claim that the Sabbath is the "seal of God" the more they become "thick as bricks". SADVENTISM IS DOOMED. A LOT OF THEM WILL NOT BE SAVED.
James is a quasi-SDA or pseudo-SDA UA-cam content creator. Does the General Conference of the SDA church affirm a spectrum of diverse expressions in foundational doctrines of the SDA church? Or do they affirm the distinctives of the SDA church without exception or variation? SDA is the true remnant church, so all the other denominations are false, according to the SDA church.
That’s why it’s hard to take Adventism seriously. It’s supposedly theologically unified unlike all of those confused, divided Protestants, yet they’re doctrinally divided on every level. And to top it off, they insult our intelligence by acting like they don’t teach what they teach. As if we can’t all read and hear.
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How do we overcome the barrier of what a particular person believes versus what their religion teaches? Do we as Christians by necessity have to teach others what their religion teaches before we can counter those teachings?
The pastor is not dealing with the issues that were raised. Refute the claims with evidence and not side shows and irrelevant matters.
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 [m laughing with you MYLES
Where younstudy? in bus station in Reading PA?
Did u read révélations 14, 6 properly? How is adventism flying in the midst of heaven to proclaim the everlasting gospel to those who dwell on earth? Is this message to be proclaim by a human agency?
16:15 he's so right. You know he is. 😊 I have seen it. I am 3rd generation adventist, and Ellen G White was never taught in my house. It was always the Bible only.
Where was your own Adventist upbringing mentioned in this video? Where were we responding to @warlyfresh’s house? Did you even listen where I said this platform is about the SDA organization, not every individual SDA and their own private experience?
You all are unable to deal with the sources looked at so you red herring about people’s upbringing.
42:26 he is right, the Holy Spirit does the sealing, and the Sabbath is the seal of God.
54:15 I'd like to see you open the Bible as well and explain revelation 13. He opened up the Bible, why are you refuting with your opinion? 😂😂😂
All you can do is laugh 😂😂😂
A nervous laugh at that 😅😅😅
57:02 who changed it then? 😂
My point is if God calls u, He dressed u wth His word, nd sents u to warn others of what happened in the garden of Eden Noah, Elijah, etc u still has the audacity to say u a born sda, I need not explain to you where I come from, as long as I know, Jesus is today yesterday nd tomorrow the same whereby He commands me to love all wow you have all the knowledge but no exp nd has learned nothing now u need others to back u up against God's apple of the eye get yourself a mop and go dry
Kenhorst reminds me of the verse spoken by Jesus in Matt. 15:14. If the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Ellen White is the blind founder of Adventism.
This man has spiritual problems, lets pray for him..😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 . Classical
Why are Adventist so bent on psychoanalyzing former Adventists as well as calling us names.
Hi this young lost the plan of God's salvation, I ve previously heard him how he lambasted the movement nd discuss egw wth another ecumenical chap by the name Christian Prince, so yes this is really whereby God Himself sifts the church like chaff from the wheat pls pray for him
lol you beleive Christ church got defeated by hades lol stop it
Rhetorical question, as time is to short, waste energy to witness how many is shaken by God Himself, rather remain a witness, when one soul comes to Jesus, there is rejoicing in heaven, instead of accusing the truth, who is Jesus that defeated the devil on the cross of calvary there's no debate, as Jesus Christ paid the prize, but still grants mercy to a sinner to come to repentance, surrender, submit, that Jesus is in control
I wonder what Bible he is studying 🧐
Ah… I know the Clear Word from the new Bible Author Mr. Blanco
Ay… ay… ay… my stomach hurts and I am nauseous.
Sad for this man to judge Myles characters shocking.
@@rhuleg09 not shocking, to be totally honest. Par for the course Adventism. They conflate a persons personality with their character. They don’t like when people are bold and assertive. They attribute this to being “un-Christlike.”
Yet they know nothing about my character. He watched a 6 minute video and exhaustively knows my character 😅
We could all except that he or others will criticize that Adventist faith. Being they are, pretty well the only ones that still take serious😢 the Ten Commandments. They are not the only ones that do it. Revelation 12 : 17. If you mention to this Guy the ten Commandments one at a time. He would disagree with himself, all but one of the Ten Commandments. Yes the only one that starts with the word Remember. Dahhhh!
What a basic argurment we’re no longer under the Ten Commandments system but under the system of Christ all shadows are not binding anymore including sabbath
”who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.“
II Corinthians 3:6-11 NKJV
bible.com/bible/114/2co.3.6-11.NKJV
”Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.“
Hebrews 7:11-13 NKJV
bible.com/bible/114/heb.7.12-13.NKJV
”For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.“
Hebrews 10:1 NKJV
bible.com/bible/114/heb.10.1.NKJV
”So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.“
Colossians 2:16-17 NKJV
bible.com/bible/114/col.2.16-17.NKJV
@@BrotherInChristDK boy it takes you a lot of writing to try and get rid of Hebrew 4: 3 - 12.
@@BrotherInChristDK so how many people did you kill this week or stole from, or How many statues do you bow down in front of every day, or, or, or?
Myles speak spear not , S D A has no truth .
Ellen means a bright light. Lucifer parades himself as an angel of " white light "........ Ellen White. Hmmmm.
Thank you for this channel. You “inspired” me to study the Bible for myself and not listen to my pastor only, but to compare scripture with scripture, facts with facts … I was in an evangelical Sunday keeping church. I am now more fully convinced and convicted that the SDA Church is the Last Day Remnant church and that THE 7 Day Sabbath is The Sabbath of God. The encouragement u give with every presentation…your triumphant attitude in attacking truth and seeking error really has established you as the representation of what true Christianity should never be. Thank u for the example you give of what no Christian should ever aspire to be .. and for pointing me to the truth by the errors u preach. 👍🏻
Can you give us a clear specific example of a truth Myles has attacked and then correct him using the Bible alone?
Thanks.
@@LampManTruth … oh I may run the risk of answering you in your folly .. since I Do kot know your agenda. Are u supportive of this presenter and what he teaches? Are u a seeker for truth or a mere parrot?
Aka “I can’t address anything you said so I’m going to bloviate and make assertions.”
Thanks!
@@jamesbond8191 First of all I haven't parroted anything.
Second... I am most definitely a seeker of the truth.
Again... Can you give us a clear specific example of a truth Mykea has attacked and then correct him using the Bible alone? Timestamps and the specific video would be helpful as well.
Oh...
And, may I ask...
Are you a seeker of the truth or just a parrot?
More SDA taqqiyah... Taqqiyah is an Islamic term to be deceptive to convert people to Islam. I've seen multiple SDA come in here saying "I'm not SDA but you've convinced me to become one!"... When in other comments they admit to being SDA or parroting SDA doctrines.
Is it still breaking the commandment against lying if you're "lying for God"? How pharisaical...
14:11-14:52
You said: "She claimed to be shown in vision that the holy kiss Paul signed off with in Epistles was to be normative ordinance for Christian Church that the antichrist had caused to fall away. It was the work of antichrist, she claimed, holy kiss wasn’t [be] practiced as a normative ordinance for the Church and needed restored along with footwashing. Yet later in The Youth’s Instructor and Review and Herald, two official SDA publications they admit that there’s no evidence that the holy kiss was to be normatively practiced, but was simply cultural custom. Which means they essentially call themselves antichrist."
You said the following:
“She claimed to be shown in vision that the holy kiss Paul signed off with in Epistles was to be normative ordinance for Christian Church that the antichrist had caused to fall away.”
When you were saying these words the following quote from Early Writings was on the screen:
“The holy salutation mentioned in the gospel of Jesus Christ by the apostle Paul should ever be considered in its true character. It is a holy kiss. [See Appendix.] It should be regarded as a sign of fellowship to Christian friends when parting, and when meeting again after a separation of weeks or months. In 1 Thessalonians 5:26 Paul says: “Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.” In the same chapter he says: “Abstain from all appearance of evil.” There can be no appearance of evil when the holy kiss is given at a proper time and place.” {EW 117.2}
This quote is from the chapter Faithfulness in Social Meeting. If we will read this chapter carefully we will see that when E. G. White claims that something is shown her in vision she uses introductory formulas ‘I saw’, ‘the Lord has shown me’, ‘the angel showed me’. For example, writing about the washing of feet and the Lord’s supper she does not only refer to the Scripture, but also claims that something was shown her concerning it: “Duties are laid down in God’s Word … The washing of feet and partaking of the Lord’s supper should be more frequently practiced. Jesus set us the example, and told us to do as He had done. I saw that His example should be as exactly followed as possible … There is no example given in the Word for brethren to wash sisters’ feet; but there is an example for sisters to wash the feet of brethren. Mary washed the feet of Jesus with her tears, and wiped them with the hair of her head. (See also 1 Timothy 5:10.) I saw that the Lord had moved upon sisters to wash the feet of brethren and that it was according to gospel order. All should move understandingly and not make the washing of feet a tedious ceremony.”{EW 116.2, 117.1} She uses here ‘I saw’ twice.
But in EW 117.2 she doesn’t use ‘I saw’ at all! So, in this paragraph she doesn’t claim that something concerning the holy salutation was shown her in vision. That’s why your statement ““She claimed to be shown in vision that the holy kiss …” is false in this detail. In the paragraph, she only refers to the Bible.
Then, in EW 117.2 she doesn’t claim that the holy kiss was to be normative ordinance for Christian Church and that the antichrist had caused it to fall away. And what did she really wrote? If we condense her words it would be “The holy salutation is a holy kiss and it should be regarded as a sign of fellowship to Christian friends if it is given at a proper time and place.” Nothing about that it was to be normative ordinance for Christian Church! Nothing about that the antichrist had caused it to fall away! The word ‘antichrist’ even wasn’t used at all! She only explains the meaning of the custom. Nothing more!
You also said the following:
“It was the work of antichrist, she claimed, holy kiss wasn’t [be] practiced as a normative ordinance for the Church and needed restored along with footwashing.”
When you were saying these words the following quote from Review and Herald, July 4, 1871 (the short article The Holy Kiss, p. 21) was on the screen:
“Other ordinances there are almost wholly lost, or much defaced by the prevalency of Antichrist (and as he shall be more fully discovered, so they shall come nearer to the luster of their first institutions), as the holy kiss, 1 Cor. 16 : 20 ; 2 Cor. 13: 12, which was used by the ancient Christians, either when they met one another, to manifest to the heathen (enemies of the Christian name) the singular love they bore to their fellow-Christians, and that they durst own them in the face of enemies, or it may be in public, either before or after prayer, love feasts, Lord's supper, as a token of perfect unity, love, conjugal affection, and singleness of heart, free from all prejudice, jealousy, and malice.”
By doing so you claim that these are E. G. White’s own words. But it is not true. Check up yourself Review and Herald, July 4, 1871, p. 21. Read the article The Holy Kiss which is coupled with the article Everlasting, both written by Uriah Smith (there are the initials U. S. at the end) !!! Smith quotes from Dr. Wm. Tuisse’s (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Twisse) Morality of the Fourth Commandment.
Uhh, no, we have addressed this in full elsewhere. I simply showed the sources because people like yourself would claim exactly what you did. If the sources weren’t shown it would be that I am lying. When they are shown it’s “out of context.” Lose lose with SDAs.
As I mentioned numerous times, for the sake of brevity, this was a reaction video! Not an exhaustive one on the holy kiss.
No, I didn’t claim William Tuisse’s words are Ellen Whites. We’ve looked at literally all of these sources before elsewhere and have an article on this exact subject on the website you should have gone and looked at just like James couldn’t have been bothered to do.
Do we claim that Review & Herald article is Ellen White speaking?! NO! Go read the article: answeringadventism.com/are-christians-commanded-to-greet-one-another-with-a-holy-kiss/
We already addressed this in video also: ua-cam.com/video/RiVng14jXfg/v-deo.html
It’s very simple: Yes, Ellen White claims to be shown the holy kiss was to be normatively practiced. The SDA church taught so for decades!!!! And WHY was that?! BECAUSE OF ELLEN.
They claim it was the work of Antichrist that it fell away. But then pivot and backtrack later despite Ellen being shown in vision it was to be practiced.
But not surprising that an Adventist had to try and find something to latch onto to completely miss the point and ignore the substance of what was said.
Your prophetess gave the “stamp of approval” on all sorts of errors and you can’t deal with it.
@@answeringadventism So, if you didn't support your claim (“It was the work of antichrist, she claimed, holy kiss wasn’t [be] practiced as a normative ordinance for the Church and needed restored along with footwashing.”) by the quote from Review and Herald, July 4, 1871, p. 21, why did you place the qoute on the screen while you was saying your claim? Why you didn't put under the quote the information that it is the quote from Uriah Smith's article? Why you didn't mention on the screen (slide) that Uriah Smith quoted from William Tuisse? It's unfar to blame someone who watches your video, because you yourself made misunderstanding possible.
By the way, I am not a member of the SDA Church. And I do not ignore the whole point of your arguments. But I try to verify information given by you and analyze it.
Personally, I think that the pastor of Kenhorst SDA Church used a logical fallacy Ad Hominem as his argument against your statements. He attacked your personality, you yourself.
@@biblianin I just told you why. Because I was showing the sources that we looked at in the video I just linked to show that yes, what I was saying is supported by the sources. And no, William Tuisse was being cited in the article regarding the morality of the fourth commandment, not supporting the holy kiss. It sounds like you didn’t read the article carefully enough. William Tuisse did not believe what the SDA church was saying regarding the holy kiss.
I didn’t say everything that was shown on screen was Ellen White’s words. When citing from Ellen White on this platform we show Ellen white with a papal tiara on. It plainly said it was the review and herald.
Are you aware that quote in the Herald was there BECAUSE of Ellen White? It was because of Ellen’s vision that they were teaching this for multiple decades.
Again, if I would have said it in passing people would have said “you’re lying.” When I show parts of the sources used to support the summation statement, it’s that I didn’t exhaust the topic.
Some people just won’t be satisfied. 🤷♂️
But yes, he didn’t really deal with anything this platform objects to by demonstrating the source materials utilized are in error.
You can try to push the narrative that Adventist is lead by and cannot think out side of Sister Ellen White as much as you want, that does not make it true. We are proud of the gift of prophecy that God has given to her, for we are able to measure her messages by the scriptures. Because we measure all prophetic claims by the scriptures 1John 4:1, the overall authority is given to the bible.
We are bible focused people that are guided ONLY by the scriptures. However, it is the bible that tells us that the gift of prophecy will play a major and vital roll in not only identifying God's true remnant people (church) Rev 12:17; Rev 19:10, but also a necessary gift in edifying the church 1 Cor 14:12 ; 1 Cor 12:4-11.
God have given us the order of the roles (gifts) in the church 1Cor 12: 28.
Sister White's messages have been tested as the scriptures have instructed and have been found completely TRUE.
Therefore we read her messages and proudly trust them because they meet the bible's measured standard of truth.
You have joined the broad road, Sister White is not the Church head, but rather a fellow member that has profoundly displayed the gift of prophecy.
The value given to her writings may give the unconsecrated heart the illusion of Headship, hence the term given to us by the enemy of Jesus "Cult", but we are ONLY lead by the scriptures (Holy Spirit).
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Lifelong SDA here. Spot on my friend. I was just thinking about those same verses you provided. Sadly they just don't get it here;...."My sheep hear my voice". Stay strong in the faith!
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LDS : Joseph Smith said Angels have GOLDEN PLATES
SAME AS..........
SDA : Ellen G White said Angels have GOLDEN CARDS
( Early writings 39 : 2 )
Ask a Seventh day Adventist
Using the Bible ONLY
Using the Bible FIRST
As Adventists claim to do
WHERE in the KJV Bible 1611, or in the Hebrew, Aramaic or GREEK of the text do Angels have
GOLDEN PLATES GOLDEN CARDS just because Ellen G White and her contemporary Joseph Smith said so
( Chapter and verse please )
If you don't mind
Thank you in advance
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BIBLICAL GOSPEL
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
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LDS : The father of LIES the Devil is the Spirit brother of Jesus Christ
SAME AS.........
SDA : The father of LIES the Devil is the SDA HERO SCAPEGOAT of Adventism
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Good SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day!
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
The pain we have to endure listening to these guys ramble mindlessly. Brain cells literally fry listening to these SDAs drivel on. My brother, God bless your work and ministry Myles. It's so difficult stomaching these clueless clowns as of late.
It is so exhausting, brother. But serves as a great thing for Christians to see. This pastor is so tone deaf.
@@answeringadventism absolutely bro.
I don't think you would be so condescending if you really were as Christian as you claim. There are undertones of pride in the assertion that anyone who feels Adventist Doctrine holds is 'mindless' and a 'clueless clown'. I note that most of your rebuttals of Adventist Theology are primarily based on Paul's writings partly and off-context cited. But if you had really read Paul, in Colossians 4:6 and 2 Timothy 2:23-26, for example, you would have learnt humility and Christly evangelism, without which no one can claim being a true Christian, no better, or worse, than the one purportedly propagating false doctrine. But your bitterness betrays an unchristian fascination against Adventism, and I pray God will heal your hearts.
@@servantsimbai you must feel relieved to get this off your chest. Now that you've done so, are you able to deal with the substance of the video?
@ReverendThunder
Yes, I am. And I already did, actually. But before we rush there, have you acknowledged your unchristly stance and outbursts against Adventism? I ask this for two reasons: firstly, this will set the tone for a meaningful discussion; when the underlying issue(s) is addressed, it can set an objective pace totheconversation because you can't build a bridge until you recognise the chasm first. Second, I oppose the tendency by yourself and your kind to dismiss as immaterial and/or peripheral points pointing out your own hypocrisies and inadequacies with an insistence on your unchecked, bitter attacks. In fact, I demand that you read the two texts put up there in earnest.
You knock off pastor james
Do you mean he knocked out the SDA Leader James?
Either the translation glitched or autocorrect struck.
You are a Pastor, do you read HEBREW or GREEK?
Miles you need to slow down and take a breath.
It's like you are high-strung when you talk.
Hi there you have a number of important points to make as a serious minded Christian. However you need to be careful belittling and ridiculing is really not a Christian virtue.
Matt 7:17-20
"Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
Yes, he brings up valid points and concerns about the SDA, however people will tune out the validity of the concerns and just focus on the tone and manner in which he presents the information……
@@keyatao-qi3og "Yes, he brings up valid points and concerns about the SDA,".
Those valid concerns are mostly misrepresenting what he is talking about. But for the seasoned SDA's we can easily see his errors. I've looked at many of his vids and I can quite easily see the fallacies in each and every one of them.
@@Worldwide-cs5jtUr right seasoned sda that imply Ur marinated and indoctrinated in Ur socalled truths.
Show us in scriptures believers. Will bé persécutés for thé day they worship? Close thé Great Controversy open Ur bible
@@Worldwide-cs5jtHello a point cant bé valide and AT work hé salé Time bé misinterpreted. Stop Ur sillyness
Answer my question, Myles! Quit avoiding it, you have for two weeks now. Show me any other self-proclaimed prophet or prophet period for that matter in the last 1,000 years that fulfills Isaiah 8:20 besides E.G.W., YOU CAN'T! E.G.W. spoke according to the Law and the testimony, the very fact that Joseph Smith and all the other so-called prophets held to Sunday worship over the 4th commandment. E.G.W. Embodied Isaiah 8:20.
Do not lay Psychoanalysis. because you know you will loose. Go home before you get HURT, you are not a match against Myles, where did you buy your Pastor License?
Myles may appear to have won to some, but he is warring against God's Law. Pastor James is standing up for God's Law. What about this? "It is time for thee, Lord, to work: for they have made void thy law." "The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name."
Where R Ur sins now? @@thegreatcontroversychannel1611
Your manifestation of anger shows through the commentt section...it's so sad that SDA are idolaters. They worship a day of the week, believing that there is no salvation outside of Saturday worship, they have forsaken God and made Saturday their God
@@thegreatcontroversychannel1611Do you understand the Law and Gospel distinction?
@@RaxxedOut43 Sunday worship is prophetically represented as idol worship in Bel & The Dragon. This Bible story shows that Sunday worship is Babylonian Baal worship, which is Sun-God worship and is false worship. And, Sunday worship is tied to worship of the Dragon, representing Satan. Furthermore, this story shows that this false worship comes with the threat of persecution and death for all those who are not willing to comply with it, but that God will deliver them from the Evil One. It also shows that Sunday worship is deceitful and its ministers are motivated by self-enrichment.
I would say that we who folk are in pretty good company, that of St. Paul.
For, the same charge was leveled against him(Romans 3:5-8 NIV):
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But if our unrighteousness brings out God's righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.) Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world? Someone might argue, "If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?" Why not say -- AS WE ARE BEING SLANDEROUSLY REPORTED AS SAYING AND AS SOME CLAIM THAT WE SAY -- "Let us do evil that good may result?" Their condemnation is deserved."
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Ahem Kenhorst SDA!
And so, my dear friends, if we can trust what Scripture is saying here -- and I, for one, do -- then those who accuse us of advocating anarchy or falseness, are only engaging in slander. And, since slander is lawbreaking, WHO THEN ARE THE REAL LAWBREAKERS?
The answer is obvious: the real lawbreakers are the slanderers, those who falsely accuse those who are advocating Jesus Christ (his words and actions) as the true law.
Finally, Who does Scripture say is the accuser of Christ followers, the real Christians? It is none other than "that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray." Revelation 12:9 NIV.
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"For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down." Revelation 12:10 NIV.
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And that, my good friends, is something that happened at the cross, for the verb of the verse is in the past tense and John's Revelation of Jesus Christ was written in the First Century AD.
And so, therefore, take courage, you who advocate Jesus Christ as the law written on the tablets of your hearts:
Know that those who are accusing you are slandering not only you, but also your Father who is in Heaven and his Son Jesus Christ who is sitting, and has been sitting, at his right hand ever since his victory on the cross. (He CERTAINLY has not been spending 19-20 centuries waiting in any sanctuary vestibule!)
For those who thus slander you are also slandering God.
Praising Him.
Nothing is good argument for Pastor James, because he a not march it.. Go home Pastor BEFORE YOU GET HURT. Where did you publish your study?? Reading library??
I've seen a bunch of your videos... And despite your deseption What you claim to believe is no different of what they belive and actually I think they are more alaing to scripture. Be kind and show me why sabbath is not a seal? I really would like to hear from you simething different that is not in their SDA belives and it can be founded in the bible! At the end I think your light is no different than thems and that just proof the point that in fact they are the chuch for these days! I belive you are part of the remanent and will be neighbirs in heaven? Again, what do you think will be Gods Answer to your light? What will be Gods Judgnent To your life based and the wide light you have? You are a Christian, aren't you? So hope you will answer me with scripture, no angry and sharing humbly the light God's gave you!
HE IS A SDA 5 MONTHS SMASH OUT PASTORS CRASH COURSE PREACHER WHO KNOWS LITTLE ❤GOD BLESS HIM TO SEE THE LITTLE LIGHT GO OUT AND THE TRUE LIGHT OF LORD JESUS SHOW JAMES THE WAY HOME ❤
Excellent video Miles !!!!
Oh brother! Another lazy SDA who listens to a tiny bit of your video, or sees the title, gets triggered and than proceeds with the usual list of SDA proof texts hand picked to support a religious sect which originated from the Millerites who tried to predict Jesus return. Wrong on so many levels.
Also this guy is extremely wrong in that many of us former SDA studied the Bible and left because they have a false religion.
Keep up the good work Myles🎉🎉
The church has seen and heard many of your kind since it started.
Your efforts to destroy the SDA Church is futile - akin to casting a handful of sand from the seashore into the ocean😅.
This great last days movement continues to grow globally.