CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introduction to Sabbath Debate 5:44 - Satan's Strategy Against Sabbath 14:09 - Pagan Influence on Sabbath 24:25 - Sun Worship vs Sabbath Observance 25:25 - Constantine's Role in Sabbath Change 31:10 - Tertullian's Sabbath Views 33:23 - Early Christian Didache and Sabbath 37:35 - Dr. Philip Schaff's Historical Insights 41:55 - Edict of Milan's Impact on Worship 49:43 - J.H. Waggoner's Perspective on Sabbath 58:01 - Satan's Attack on Sabbath Worship 1:01:01 - Sabbath Worship Significance 1:07:50 - Theological Reasons for Sabbath Hatred 1:12:45 - Sabbath: Sign of Creation and Rest 1:18:45 - Christ as the First Fruits 1:24:27 - New Creation and Sabbath Memorial 1:31:06 - Understanding New Creation in Sabbath Context 1:34:36 - Sabbath Rest in Hebrews 4 1:40:38 - Gospel and Sabbath Rest Comparison 1:43:06 - Remaining in God's Sabbath Rest 1:45:15 - Ultimate Sabbath Rest in Theology 1:46:17 - Sabbath Rest for Believers 1:49:10 - Entering God's Rest Discussion 1:55:47 - Hebrews 4: Sabbath Parallels Explained 1:57:52 - Importance of the Sabbath Day 2:03:34 - Jesus' Actions on the Sabbath 2:05:20 - First Day Worship Proofs 2:07:18 - Refuting SDA Interpretation of Hebrews 4:9 2:11:42 - Historical Testimonies of Sunday Worship 2:19:34 - Eusebius on Sabbath and Sunday 2:22:38 - Augustine's Views on Lord's Day 2:25:48 - Heinrich Wolf's Historical Account 2:29:40 - Giralamo Zanchi on Sabbath Observance 2:32:30 - Mark Finley on Sabbath and Sunday 2:37:53 - Understanding Hebrews 4's Call to Worship 2:46:51 - Upcoming Q&A Session Announcement 2:47:54 - Closing Remarks and Reflections
You know, as I listened to Myles reading the from the church fathers near the end of the video, I had two thoughts. 1st thought, I was struck by the beauty, intelligence and depth of their writings and in contrast we heard about an imaginary outer space meeting betweeen satan and his minions from Mark Finley. Real deep thinker that one. 2nd thought. No wonder the sdas dismiss the ECF… they sink their boat.
Christ can't be your rest if you keep on transgressing his law. It was those who keep the 10 commands that truly have rest in Jesus. Miles is a big fat liar .
@@ShirleyAfia Shirley, wake up and get away from you SDA worldview. The 10 commandments are the old covenant that brings death. The new covenant has with it the law of Christ and in Him we find rest, not by obeying a set of laws that no one could obey.
@Vincent-gc3cu Everyday is the sabbath rest. period! Come on people it's never been about a day. It's been about Christ. His finished work. The damnable teachings of E.G. White will never lead you to the true sabbath rest in Christ Jesus.
This is probably my 3rd time listening to this 🙈 it truly is so deep! Myles, you are a modern day disciple and I know you are appreciated by so many 🥹🫶🏼🦋💜🦋
My brother i am in tears. I lost my family and myself because of this strong delusional cult called 7day adventist beliefs. This is by far the most in depth study ive ever heard . My heart never accepted 7day adventist divisional condemnation finger pointing doctrin. Pray for my kids and wife 😢😢
My friend once said I worshipped the sun by going to Church on Sunday. I said that would mean you worship Saturn. His response was that in Spanish Saturday is called Sábado, which means Sabbath. I gave up. 🤷♂️
Yes, in Spanish Saturday is "sábado" (we don't use initial capitals for the days of the week), which means sabbath, but Sunday is "domingo", which derives from the Latin Dominica or Dominicus Dies, which means Lord's day. No Saturn day or Sun day in Spanish.
Elce made a great point related to this in regards to SDAs in Greece. Despite being there for over 100 years, the SDA Greek Mission Union has no more than 500 members in a country of over 10 million people and most of them are immigrants who’ve moved in. They’re lucky if they get 10 baptisms in a year. This is because the Eastern Orthodox Church is about 90% of the country and they know Church History & Koine Greek, unlike Ellen White and the Pioneers so when Adventists tell them Sunday worship is pagan/catholic they automatically know they’re full of it as they’ve been there for over 1,000 years.
It is pagan, Saturday has always and will always be Sabbath. This sign has been a mark of power ever since Justinian. “Sunday is our mark of authority …. The church is above the Bible, and this transference of sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (The Catholic Record of London, Ontario, Sept. 1, 1923).
@@jdw-616 Is that all you got from this video I am sorry to say you are so deeply indoctrinated that you are blinded by lies that you have to defend, unfortunately your doctrine is hogwash and bares no weight as what you believe has no biblical substance what a shame that you following a dead witch
@@jdw-616 : No. Emperor Justinian didn't invent Sunday celebration. Emperor Constantine didn't invent or impose a religious observance of Sunday for all the citizens of the Roman empire; just a civil cessation of activities for imperial officials in cities, irrespective of their religious convictions. Neither emperor was ever a pope. And Sunday was universally celebrated by Christians a couple of centuries before Constantine was even born. So, no. Adventist fables will not be tolerated by Christians.
Wow 🤯 Thank you sooo much for this study Myles!! I honestly felt a little bit unsettled believing there was no sabbath or day of rest at all after leaving Adventism because of the texts I had studied in the Bible, but I also couldn’t bring myself to go as far as to believe Sunday was the Christian Sabbath based on the responses i heard from many reformed christians I had spoken to… it just wasn’t sufficient and didn’t add up for me. But THIS!!!! After following through with my Bible the Holy Spirit brought to my memory soo many more texts and things that I’ve come across in the Bible before and it’s like it just clicked and made sense!! It’s amazing!!!! And sooo beautiful and perfect and righteous and true. Wow!!!
Amen Sara. Ex-SDA here. This stream was pivotal for me to accept the worship of Christ on Sunday (or any day for that matter). But get this, which blows my mind as I only found this out recently. The first documented occurrence of the worship of Jesus on a Sunday; Matthew 28:1-10, focussing on verse 9! I'm not disputing that the seventh-day sabbath is accepted as occurring on the Saturday. As new covenant Christians, Jesus is the substance of the Sabbath; we now rest eternally and spiritually through him (Heb 3 and 4). It really is beautiful indeed.
Hey Shirley. You remind me of my sister who thinks the same way as you. Miles speak the truth on this issue. Those 10 commands you speak of are part of that old covenant, we now live by the new covenant and we do find our rest in Christ alone, not by the works of the law but by faith in Christ's finished work. The gospel is so simple...believe. In Christ we are fully rightous.
Thank you for this Myles. I was needing some more info on how to answer this church on Sunday thing I’ve been doing lately. I recently left Adventism as a 3rd generation and found the Real Jesus. God Bless You.
You know you were in a cult when 👆 fear mongering comments like the “shaking” above are used to keep its members allegiance based on fear. SDAs are the most scared and fake conspiracy theorists out there. Thank God He led you out! I’m a former too. And it’s funny how SDAs play the victim but quickly become hostile toward formers. Stay strong in the Lord!
I go to church to hear the gospel, and also life lessons to help me be the person i desire to be, if that were on Saturday Sunday or Wednesday that's when and where I would be in Church.
@davidmarham9272 8 - 25 - 24 You are correct The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S, praying and worshipping are interchangeable 1st Thessalonians 5 : 16 - 18
Finley and the Adventists are right that there's no biblical basis for Sunday Sabbatarianism...but that doesn't make it pagan, an invention of Satan, the Mark of the Beast, or anything like that, nor does it mean that Christians are worshipping the sun on that day. Satan doesn't care what day Christians worship on; he's far more concerned of attacking the true Gospel of grace through faith in Christ alone, and he has (knowingly or otherwise) used much of Adventism to do just that.
You r a liar I caught u in 7 lies you said Ada beleive,howvvmvome it's OK to read a Joyce Myers book r keneth Copeland but if you read elene white your a cult,double standard
***ADVENTISTS LISTEN UP***** As you read this, keep in mind that Ellen G. White says "an Angel" told her this *regarding the doctrine eternal punishment!* Quote: "Said the angel, Life is life, whether it is in pain or happiness". *"DEATH IS WITHOUT PAIN, without joy, without hatred."* (Volume 1 Chapter 19 Spiritual Gifts volume 1, chapter 19 *Ellen G. White is in total CONTRADICTION to the very words of Christ in Matthew 13:42 *“And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there SHALL be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”* 1. Matthew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be *weeping and gnashing of teeth.* 2. Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: *there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.* Matthew 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: *there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.* Matthew 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and *cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.* Matthew 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: *there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.* 3. *REPEATEDLY ELLEN G WHITE CALLS THE WORDS OF CHRIST "SATAN" IN CHAPTER 19. *Only Satan Himself would bring such a denial of the reality of pain and suffering to the sinner as to mock Christ's explicit warning!* Whom the Adventist's then Call Christ Himself and refer to as "Satan" , "A TYRANT" and a "monster worse than Hitler" . The Adventist have a conscience seared with a red hot iron! Hell is described as a place of intense suffering and despair, where the reality of eternal separation from God manifests as physical and emotional torment. *The imagery of wailing and gnashing of teeth conveys the deep regret and anguish experienced by those therein.* Mark 9:43-44“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that NEVER shall be quenched: *Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”* Jesus teaches the seriousness of avoiding sin, even to the point of taking drastic measures, as Hell is a place of unquenchable fire where torment is eternal. *The reference to an undying worm and unquenchable fire stresses the continuous and relentless nature of punishment in Hell.*
What actually is the meaning of Sabbath? Is Sabbath a day of worship or a day of rest? What does the Bible say? And on the seventh day, God RESTED. It does not say on the seventh day God worshiped, it says rested.
@@moorek1967 The SDA does not rest from their works on the Sabbath. *Potluck lunches and dinners* are NOT to be done on the Sabbath! **In Exodus 16 the children of Israel were condemned and scolded for even THINKING about going out to pick up MANNA!* Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do *ANY work*, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, *nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:* * Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth *ANY work* therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth *ANY work* in the sabbath day, *he shall surely be put to death* The Sabbath commandment like the other 9 stand as a witness against all those who claim to keep them. Rom. 3:19, Eph. 2:15, 1John 3:4, James 2:20, Mt. 5:17-20. *Oh, hypocrisy of the Adventists, who condemn those who don't keep the Sabbath while the SDA regularly works on the Sabbath under the guise of "doing good" breaking the 10 commandments.*
... Ahhh, but the "religious traditions" of Myles are being fact-checked, and weighed in the balance too here! ( if he'll even let you see them ? ) .. "What's good for all geese, is good for all ganders! " ; D
I pray that you can learn to criticize SDA, without profaning the Sabbath. Or criticizing Christ himself. As He, kept the Sabbath. As did, Paul. As did every other apostle of Christ. As did every other early Christian. When you profane the Sabbath, and those who keep it, you are criticizing Christ, TOO. Christ was a Sabbath keeper. How can someone who does not want to live like Christ, call themselves a "Christian?"
Oh so so sad that their false Sabbath is exposed...im so hurt by this. We have a duty to expose false teachings and unbiblical worldviews and God brought you to this channel for a reason. Repent
@@Ronriko1 I spoke with truth, grace, and kindness. Your sarcasm is not helpful. Using your reasoning, I guess you should be calling Christ to repentance then, too. I am not a member of SDA, nor have been. I am simply a follower of Christ who keeps "Sabbath." The word Sabbath in Hebrew means the number 7. The 7th day. False Sabbath? The first day of the week is not the seventh day of the week. It's very simple. I pray that you repent and draw closer to the lifestyle of our Savior.
@@HeyYoWhoa this is not a matter to deal lightly. Paul said if anyone preach a different gospel let him be accursed. People are taking wrong path because of EGW unbiblical doctrines. I am convinced she is not even born again.
They Devil doesn’t hate the sabbath. The people who condemned Christ and had him crucified were sabbath-keepers. Those who stoned St. Stephen were sabbath-keepers. If the Devil can get you hung up on a day while missing the big picture then he’s done his job.
... Some say that they weren't "really" sabbath-keepers tho... There is so much more to it, than just "outward show"... Had their "hearts" really "entered into it"? ... John 4 : 23 - 24 23 )"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him. 24 ) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." YHWH'S Sabbath , according to the Scriptures, is still "the truth"... but those who "enter in" to worship, must also worship Him there in the right "spirit". Matt 23 : 25 - 28 25 ) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but WITHIN they are full of extortion and excess. 26 ) Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. 27 ) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed APPEAR BEAUTIFUL OUTWARD, but are WITHIN full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 ) Even so ye also Outwardly Appear Righteous unto men, BUT WITHIN ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. ( Nicodemus, Stephen, Jesus, and the apostles, were all sabbath-keepers too... The difference is truly within, & by, what "spirit"? ... (This IS "The Big Picture"! : )
@@ChrisTian-tz3eq Last time I check it is clear as daylight in Acts chapter 15 that Christians are under no obligation to keep the Sabbath. The Bible teach me the following: "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Galatians 3 But apparently you are still stuck in the school bus enjoying the *no faith cursed gospel.* Strange how you people always propagate the same scriptures while refusing to bring ALL the related scriptures on this subject, to the table.
@@nonconformist4802.. Hello again... and by "what scripture(s)" has the Church been given the authority to take the "yearly" -"Jewish" - "Feast of First Fruits & Pentecost", and turn em into a "weekly" day of worship, while "thinking" to "change", and even "outlaw" YHWH'S Holy Sabbath?...
@@ChrisTian-tz3eq As usual this person don't give a damn about what the Bible has to say. I did gave you a whole chapter to read so that you can't blamed me for a miss translation or out of context rubbish, but still you deflect my statements like a true SDA brainwashed follower. Comprehension boy, comprehension is very important and because of that you didn't realized that you have jumped on the wrong school-bus. Why on earth do you people rejected Galatians 4 / Romans 14 / Col 2 while the Bible clearly said: "CURSED IS EVERY ONE UNDER THE LAW"? You are not arguing with me, I am laughing at you and your friends when they start sing the same old SDA hymn "SABBATH KEEPING will save your ass", NO IT WON'T. You are in conflict with God and His Word. Simple as that. When you want to debate on a certain subject, at least collect ALL or as much as possible scriptures relating to the subject before playing that broken SDA record again.
Mark Finley has been preaching the truth. Jesus our example observed the Sabbath himself. Sunday keeping is nowhere found in the bible. Sorry. I just can't buy your opinion.
Yet you buy that Satan held a diabolical council meeting in outer space to conspire against Adventists? Let's see your scripture for this. Because that's what Mark was preaching. You clearly didn't listen through as, yes, scripture does affirm the new creation memorial of the first day by virtue of it being the day God in redemption entered His rest, just like in the old creation he entered on the seventh day.
@@answeringadventismthe man clearly said in his imagination and you keep repeating it like he said this actually happened. It’s just like if I said Satan is planning to ruin marriages and would prefer people cohabitate in common law relationships, it doesn’t take a far leap of the imagination to imagine that Saran will do something that is counterfeit to God’s….. Now as I’ve said to you before you talk about EGW way more than any SDA I know or as much… Stop putting words in Mark Finley’s mouth, he’s perfectly able to speak for himself and he’s not afraid to quote Sis White when he thinks it’s appropriate.
... The whole point of Hebrews 4, Is that they ( the Israelites ) DIDN'T KEEP/ "ENTER INTO" the "REST" ( the Sabbath of YHWH God ), but defiled it in their "Unbelief", while they were in the wilderness... and therefore, as a result, YAH would NOT let that generation "enter into" the "Promised-land-rest", led by Joshua, in which God had "saved them" out of Egypt for .. ( further expounded upon by David in Psalms 95! .. And even Ezekiel 20! ) ... in which, is a warning FOR US, NOT to follow in their "Same Example" of "Unbelief".. Here's The Example: Ezekiel 20 : 12 - 16... 12 ) "Moreover also I gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I Am YHWH that sanctify them. 13 ) But the house of Israel Rebelled Against Me In The Wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and My Sabbaths they Greatly Defiled: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them. 14 ) But I wrought for My Name's Sake, that it should not be defiled before the heathen, in whose sight I brought them out. 15 ) Yet also I lifted up My Hand unto them In The Wilderness, That I Would NOT Bring Them Into The Land Which I Had Given Them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands; 16 ) *BECAUSE* they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but Defiled My Sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols." ... And now, back to Hebrews 4... 8 )"For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day." ( *meaning: David would have never had to have written Psalms 95 : 7 - 11, about "today", in that context. ( Read the context ), if they had been allowed to enter in the Promised-land with Joshua. ( See: Numbers 14 : 26 - 38, Joshua 1 ) 9 ) There Remains Therefore A Sabbath-rest To The People Of God. 10 ) For he that is Entered Into His Rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID FROM HIS. ( see Genesis 2 : 1 - 3 ) 11 ) Let us labour therefore To Enter Into THAT REST, lest any man fall after the SAME EXAMPLE of UNBELIEF. (Just as in the Same Example from them in the wilderness... It was "unbelief" that consistently caused them to Defile/& NOT Enter Into YHWH'S Sabbaths, among other things, then... And Likewise, it's the same "Unbelief" that causes "His People" that "He's Saved" out of the Bondage ( Egypt ) of this world, Not to Enter Into His Sabbath-rest now, even to this day in 2023! ( Because if ya don't "believe" it, then you obviously aren't gonna "enter in" & keep it... as neither the Israelites did, while they were in the wilderness... For "we" have a "Promised-land-rest" that we hope to "enter into" too, in the "7th Millenial Day"! ( Revelation 20 : 4 - 6 ) Acts 17 : 30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" ( And YHWH'S Appointed Times Have NOT Changed ) ( Matt. 5 : 17 - 19 ... Daniel 7 : 25 ) (Praying "Psalms 95 : 6 - 8", over you right now as well... in Messiah Yeshua's Name, Amen.)
@ChrisTian-tz3eq 8 - 25 - 24 The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S, praying and worshipping are interchangeable 1st Thessalonians 5 : 16 - 18 Are you going to suggest that ALL so called SHABBAT keepers should NOT WORSHIP on SUNDAY'S or SEVEN days out of the WEEK? SIMPLE Yes.....or......no On the Sabbath "" My Father WORKETH hitherto and I WORK......."" John 5 : 16 On the Sabbath "" For this reason the ( Sabbath keepers ) tried all the more to take his life, because he NOT ONLY BROKE the Sabbath but he also called God his own Father, making himself EQUAL with GOD" John 5 : 18 Do you DENY that Jesus = YESHUA ACCEPTED WORSHIP as the MOST HIGH GOD ? SIMPLE Yes.....or.......no Do you DENY that Jesus = YESHUA AROSE on the FIRST day of the WEEK on a SUNDAY under Jewish CALENDAR ? SIMPLE Yes.....or.......no BIBLICAL GOSPEL 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ = YESHUA ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
This study blew my mind, thanks Myles for quoting the Church fathers - also confirming Sunday worship started long before Constantine - SDA leaders need to do their research and stop lying about God's people
Yes, the apostasy within the Church began long before Constantine and Pope Sylvester!! (Matt. 24 : 11 ... Acts 20 : 29 - 31 ... 2 Thessalonians 2 ... 2 Peter 3 : 15 - 17 ... Jude 4 ... Revelation 2 ) It just didn't become "Official Church Dogma" until the 4th Century AD onward!
@ChrisTian-tz3eq but you conveniently don't see the early church in the Bible worshiped on Sunday, they collected the tithe on Sunday, they not only worshiped in the Bible on the first day of the week had communion as well. And you conveniently didn't say anything of the faults teachings of EGW. come on we are not in the 1970s any longer. We have the internet to fact check faults teachings of the SDA and other church's. Go peddle your conspiracy theories to someone else.
@@speakeasyarchives8764 ... True, the early church in the bible met on the "first day" of the week at the "appointed times" for First Fruits of Barley/ Christ's resurrection ( Lev 23 : 4 - 14 / 1 Cor 15 : 20 - 23 ) and for Pentecost ( Lev. 23 : 15 - 22/ Acts 2 : 1.. Acts 20 : 16 .. 1 Cor. 16 : 8 )... But these are "yearly" Feasts of YHWH, Not weekly! The Early Apostolic Church still gathered together for holy convocations in the synagogues upon the Sabbath until the apostasy gradually began creeping in, and persecution from the unbelieving Jews & unbelieving pagans, and later, even by the half-converted Christians, within the Roman Empire. ( Matt 24 : 20 .. Acts 13 : 42 - 44 .. Acts 15 : 21 .. Acts 16 : 13 .. Acts 17 : 2.. Acts 18 : 4 .. Heb. 4 ) And Historically, according to The Catholic Church; They even admit that "Saint Polycarp" of Smyrna in the 2nd Century AD, still kept Shabbat, and also commemorated the "Feast Of Passover"/Pascha, at the "appointed time", according to the scriptures, ( Lev 23 : 4 ) in honor of Christ ( 1 Cor. 5 : 7 - 8 )... and refused to keep "Easter Sunday" when the Bishop of Rome tried to coerce it upon him and others... *because* it was Never a "church custom" passed down, and given to him personally, by the Apostle John himself! ( Go check it out! ) Peace & God bless in your studies...
You’re happy to hear from church fathers instead of God and the Holy scriptures. Myles continues to misconstrue what the Adventist Church teaches, almost leading all his listeners in a trance. Most of the arguments Myles put forward are just historical data and man made traditions vs what God commands us to do. He states that we were given a new command from Jesus, (John 13:34-35 Esv 34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” ) if this is the case, then we don’t even have to worship God, according to the first of the 10 commandments. Why did Paul worship on the 7th day Sabbath Why did Jesus worship on the seventh Sabbath Regardless of what Myles or anyone will teach, they are no scriptures or commands given to worship corporately on Sunday. That is a man made doctrine. Matthew 5:17-20 King James Version 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
@Notyelfox if you're so knowledgeable, address your concerns to myles directly. He is more knowledgeable of the SDA than you are. In fact, all the big SDA guys will not debate him. They will be shredded if they do.
@user-up1qd7ic8x 8 - 27 - 24 So in other words merely going to an SDA church on Saturday's and telling like minded people "" Happy Sabbath ! "" while simultaneously CHEERLEADING POM POMS for William Miller by default means you are NOW all of a sudden NOW part of the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church which KEEPS and OBEYS ALL the LAW of ALL the Commandments of God What about the other NINE Commandments ? Have you ever sinned just ONCE knowingly or unknowingly ? SIMPLE Yes.....or......no
@user-up1qd7ic8x 8 - 27 - 24 How does one OBEY and KEEP ALL the LAW of ALL the Commandments of God ? Besides going to an SDA church on Saturday's and telling like minded people "" Happy Sabbath ! "" Besides the writings of Ellen G White being promoted by Doug Bachelor in his sermons Besides CHEERLEADING POM POMS for William Miller
@@juligraham7319 Nope. No “Sunday law” coming, lol 😝 the world could care less which days Christians choose to worship. And we do have a choice. Old Covenant was obliterated with the destruction of Jerusalem and her temple in 70AD. God bless you ❤
There is NO scripture to back up Sunday sabbath. It is blasphemy of the Sabbath. (Ezekiel 20) You can decide not to be an SDA anymore, and continue to keep the Lord's commandments. It is so sad to see someone leave SDA, and profane the Sabbath, as well. When in doubt, are we not to do as Christ did? Are we not to act as Christ in ALL that we do? Well, what day did Christ (not to mention the disciples) go to synagogue? Saturday. We see this over and over throughout Christ' life, and His ministry. It makes me sick to hear a Christian suggest that we should NOT do as Christ did. Nor should we walk according to the ways and practices of our Savior! What else do you think we should do differently, than Christ did? Should we lie, cheat, steal? Maybe have some other gods over Him? To me, the most unfortunate thing, is that there are few non-denominational churches, that practice Sabbath keeping. I have been a Sabbath keeper most of my adult life, and just finally tried out the SDA church a few weeks ago. I could no longer attend congregations of Christians who profane the Lords' Sabbath. However, I found that SDA is a law-keeping, cult like organization. Such a shame that Sabbath keepers, such as my family, cannot find a single non-denom church to attend, that keeps the Lords' commandments.
The sabbath was for the Israelites to set them apart from others. It was the first covenant being the 10 commandments for the Israelites. The second covenant, which is talked about MANY times in the New Testament, dismisses the old covenant and its laws. Paul even writes multiple times that those who keep the sabbatu and those who don't should NOT judge each other. Each to their own. The sabbath was a shadow of things to come. Read Col 2:16-17. In fact, read the entire book. You are law keeping and trying to fulfil the requirements of the old, first covenant, which is now obsolete. Read Hebrews 8:13.
@@DavidBrown-yy2yf don't tell me what I'm doing ...! You know my heart? The fourth commandment says nothing about picking grains. It says to remember and keep the Sabbath holy. It's very simple. It has nothing to do with law keeping. It has to do with worship and rest. Do you keep the law of the rest of the other commandments? Or, since Christ came, would that mean that you have another God before God? What about stealing lying and adultery? How about murder? So I guess you're a pro-abortion person, then? To each their own, right? "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. " Maybe you should read Aleister Crowley's books. You'd probably be a good Occultist. Just because I'm told not to judge other people Sabbath keeping in the new testament, doesn't mean that I myself shouldn't obey the Sabbath and the Lord's ten commandments. Not judging other people's sabbaths, means not telling them not to pick grains. like the Pharisees did. It doesn't mean go ahead and profane Sabbath by switching it to another day of the week. It's about what people do on the Sabbath day, that we shouldn't judge them for.
The sabbath was made for man, not man for sabbath. God gave us a day of rest. Saturday is the day. I don’t think it’s a salvational issue but it’s in the Ten Commandments to remember the sabbath day and keep it holy, so it must be important. I always thought people worship on Sunday out of reverence for Christ who rose that day, but He rested on Saturday…
Saturday was the day of rest in the old creation. We aren’t in the old creation anymore, but the new (2 Corinthians 5:17), which is what the gist of this presentation was about. Seventh day sabbatarians don’t understand the new creation which is the crux of the issue. Christian’s worship on the first day because it’s the new creation sabbath (Hebrews 4:1-11). answeringadventism.com/does-hebrews-4-support-the-seventh-day-sabbath/
I am only someone that is exhausted of the devils lies and from what I have learned I am sharing. You seem to be going in the right direction a more spiritually discerning direction. Seducing spirits like to twist the truth and manifest false signs. I would stick with scripture only "sola scriptura" to define your steps. The early church fathers used in this presentation could be used to either show how early the church became corrupted or how long the truth stood, but not show that their teachings need to be heard putting them in the same category as the false prophet HG White. These men are the ones that formed the foundation of the Catholic Church, a well known false Christian church. I came out of her a while back. This false church started to form as soon as the apostles vanished and were in full force aprox between 500 and 1500 AD "the dark ages". All the example of the apostles in scripture obeyed the commandments just as Jesus Christ taught (Acts 15.20 - 21). They always relied on the old testament and if there was a change they taught the change because God is not the author of confusion. They taught these critical changes: (there might be more, I am still learning) 1. Circumcision is of the heart and not of the flesh, thus not required. Romans 2:29 "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart" 2. Jesus Christ is our High Priest, nailing all the law requirement dealing with animal sacrifices, levites, tabernacle, ordinances, punishments, etc... We have a spiritual rest in Christ but not the final rest. There still remains a rest onto his people. not all prophecy has been fulfilled. Matthew 5:18 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 19:17 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 1 John 5:1-3 1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. All scripture and principles and character of God points to keeping the Jewish Sabbath. vs the one lonely misunderstood verse in Revelation. There is no scripture for disobeying the ten commandments. Sola scriptura is the only way to help avoid but not complete eliminate confusion caused by seducing spirits. We also need the spiritual discernment. Logic alone doesn't work.
Who told you going to church on Sunday is a sin? As an SDA I have preached in a Protestant church on Sunday. Nobody who knows Adventist theology says that. Most of what I see on this web site and others like it is totally off scripturally. What s interesting to me when you challenge anyone here with proof they seem to disappear!
@@BenBen-bf7wg "Who told you going to church on Sunday is a sin?" WOW!! And you want to tell us that you have NEVER came across the expression that "Sunday keepers are on their way to hell, Are from Babylon, followers of Rome, received the mark of the beast and and - Who do you actually tried to bluff here, let's start with that?
@@BenBen-bf7wg " What s interesting to me when you challenge anyone here with proof they seem to disappear!" Yeah, seems that you have also picked that option, how ironic?
It took you two and a half hours to weasel out of the fourth commandment? That isn't using scripture to set doctrine that is an attempt to lawyer your way out of the fourth commandment. People in the end days Jesus tells us what happens to those who take the mark of the beast....and directly after he tells us WHO DOESNT TAKE IT.... Revelation 14:12 folks....now you can rest your salvation on a youtubers tradition of men or you can read the Bible....if this young man was telling you scriptural truth it would have taken very little time to prove his point SCRIPTURALLY....God isn't the author of confusion....
Yeah, believe it or not, sometimes scrioture isn’t always understood in remedial level sound bites and one has to have an attention span of more than 5 seconds to study the Bible. I know you guys like everything in spiritual milk, but that isn’t how the scriptures operate. Equating that to God not being the author of confusion, which is about the spiritual gifts contextually not people talking for long periods, is rather remedial on your part. “Lawyer out of the 4th commandment” aka “you disagree with our false understanding of the 4th commandment so therefore you don’t think it’s valid and want to weasel out of it.” I’m a sabbatarian, Sherlock. Listen again. This is the problem, you guys think you have a monopoly on the sabbath and anyone who disagrees with you is against the fourth commandment. Embarrassing. Traditions of men? Hebrews 4:1-11 obliterates your guys position. Come onto the platform and discuss it and let’s see who is and isn’t understanding scripture.
@@answeringadventism 2 Peter 3:16, Paul kept the Torah....argued to his death that he kept it, look man, I am also a former third generation Adventist...went to academy even....there are plenty of reasons that leave the Adventist church but teaching people that the 7th day Sabbath is not relevant isn't one of em...
All of you who haven’t watched the video but still try to defend your sabbath in the comments, let us let you know that from your comments we KNOW you haven’t watched the video and you sound ridiculous!
Satan's issue is not about the Sabbath, his issue is that people worship God. The day people worship him is irrelevant but them SDA's are so paranoid about the Sabbath. Them causing friction with other denominations is what's pleasing Satan, he loves it because that in itself could turn away people from God.
''The day people worship him is irrelevant but them SDA's are so paranoid about the Sabbath. '' It's part of the Ten Commandments. That should be of concern to all Christians. I'm going to suggest there's a good reason to be cautious in breaking one of the Ten Commandments, especially when we have no text telling us Sunday is sacred or blessed and the penalty for breaking the law is death. ''Satan's issue is not about the Sabbath, his issue is that people worship God.'' Who told you these were separate issues? Isn't obedience the highest form of worship? Or does God reward disobedience in your Christian view? Satan hates the Sabbath because it POINTS TO THE ONE WHO DESERVES WORSHIP, THE CREATOR GOD, which Satan is not. It literally gives God's name, His title and His territory. Exodus 20:8-11
How do you explain? Here is the patient of the saints those who keep the commitments of God and the testimony of Jesus. If it's the ten, then the fourth, the Sabbath is definitely to be upheld.
Hello. John was writing to the current 7 churches who were about to head into the early age of persecution. Too much to write but: the destroyer = Titus. That great city = Jerusalem. 5 months of trouble = Rome surrounded Jerusalem about 5 months. Jerusalem was also compared to a harlot many times in Old Testament. They rejected Christ their husband. Instead of looking at revelation in future tense look at it first in its current age written to Jewish Christian’s. It’s a lot and I’m still researching it but it’s fascinating. Like a puzzle. Could I be wrong? Sure 😊
My advise to anyone reading my comment, is that study the scriptures on your own and pray that God reveals the truth to you. God says that if you seek me with all your heart you will find me.
We Christians worship God everyday..but we gather on Sunday for collective worship and encourage each other and God receives our sacrifices of worship to Him whether we do it on Monday or Surtaday or Sunday and God blesses us.
''but we gather on Sunday for collective worship and encourage each other and God receives our sacrifices of worship to Him '' Really. I go to church on the 7th day, Sabbath because I have a commandment to do so. What commandment are you following in scripture that states Sunday is sacred or a new sabbath? I'm curious.
@@_thevinylflower The Sabbath was always a holy convocation in scripture. It was both Christ's and Paul's custom to go to synagogue on the 7th day. If the 7th day is holy and blessed and God is a social Being, I see no reason not to meet. Where in the bible does it tell you Sunday is a holy/sacred day?
This was absolutely mind blowing amazing. Thank You for all the time, research and clarity that went into this. You are doing powerful work. May God continue to bless you and the Holy Spirit guide you in Christ Jesus Our Lord and Savior’s Holy Name. 🙏🏻
Everyone knows deep down in their hearts that Sunday worship is not biblical and is tradition. The commandment is to come together on Sabbath and it's for everyone, not just Jews. People won't listen though because Sunday is convenient for their lifestyle🤷🏽.
@@rroller124 8 - 25 - 24 Thank you for confirming that DEEP DOWN in the HEARTS of Seventh day Adventists DO NOT and SHOULD NOT WORSHIP Jesus = GOD = YESHUA SEVEN days out of the WEEK
@@porfiriojohn5276 hello. I agree that we are to worship everyday. I also believe that Jesus knew what he was doing when the gave mankind the Sabbath. We are not to do any servile work on the Sabbath. That's a different kind of worship. It's preparing us for the kingdom to deepen our worship. Most don't agree and that's fine. To each it's own. No love lost. May the Lord have mercy on us all🙏🏽
@rroller124 8 - 25 - 24 Oh.....so you DO agree that ALL Seventh day Adventists SHOLD WORSHIP on SUNDAY'S Make up your mind On the Sabbath "" My Father WORKETH hitherto and I WORK........"" John 5 : 16 On the Sabbath "" For this reason the ( Sabbath keepers ) tried all the more to take his life, because he NOT ONLY BROKE the Sabbath but he also called God his own Father, making himself EQUAL with GOD" John 5 : 18 The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S, praying and worshipping are interchangeable 1st Thessalonians 5 : 16 - 18 Thank you for confirming that Seventh day Adventists NOW all of a sudden could and should WORSHIP Jesus = GOD = YESHUA SEVEN days out of the WEEK , INCLUDING on SUNDAY'S
@rroller124 8 - 25 - 24 FIRST ( YOU SAID ) EVERYONE knows DEEP DOWN in their hearts that SUNDAY WORSHIP is NOT Biblical NOW all of a sudden it's perfectly fine for Adventists to WORSHIP SEVEN days out of the WEEK which includes SUNDAY WORSHIP Make up your mind "" A double minded man is unstable in all his ways "" James 1 : 8
@@porfiriojohn5276 just as I thought. You didn't pay attention to anything I wrote. Oh wait, only what you wanted to pay attention to. This tells me all you want to do is bash. It's really sad
Well put together Myles. SDA theology is way out of order. SDA ministers study EG White writings more than the Bible. Those that have put the Bible first are the ones that have left the organisation. Congratulations Myles.
@hansbylewos2144 Spot on. I left Adventism because I wanted to put the Bible first, unencumbered by the interpretation of EGW or any other single person.
SDA ministers study EG White writings more than the Bible. '' It's true, they do study the writings of EG White, but we don't evangelize using the writings of Ellen White. For that, we only use the bible, something no Sunday apologist can say. People come to understand the 7th day is the Sabbath from scripture alone. You, on the other hand, are always forced to use tradition or the writings of the so-called Church Fathers.
That imagination is product of another imagination of Thomas Tillam-the seventh day sabbath-Sought out and celebrated. He invented that sunday mark of the beast and sabbath seal of god. In 17th century. That is the source of egw imatination and sda beliefs.
Jesus was always saying that HE NEVER talk FROM Himself because He is talking ONLY the word of His Father which in John 17:17 He called as being THE TRUTH which is THE LAW(Psalm 119:142) about God’s characters AS Father revealed inside the Sanctuary so that we will be sanctuaries(1Cor 6:19 1Cor 3:16) knowing Jesus as Sanctuary(John 2:21 Colos 2:2,3). And this is why in verses like John 6:44,45 Jesus make clearly that that at first we must be attracted by the TEACHING OF GOD His Father who beginning with Exodus 24:12 have more than 600 Laws of the Sanctuary about Jesus as Sanctuary(John 2:21 Colos 2:2,3 Colos 1:26,27) so that we will be sanctuaries(1Cor 6:19 1Cor 3:16 2Thes 2:3,4) having in Rev 14:1 inside us the same characters of love revealed in all Laws of the Sanctuary which was revealed in Jesus being Sanctuary about the same 3 principles of the Sanctuary. Empty sanctuaries cannot win the final battle in 2Thes 2:3,4 Rev 12:17 Rev 13:15 Rev 16:16 to end successfully the armageddon started in heaven against Sanctuary(Ezekiel 28:18 2Peter 2:4 Rev 12:7 etc). And this is why verses like John 6:44,45 make as IMPOSSIBLE to come to Christ WITHOUT being at first TAUGHT by His Father to have in Galatians 3:24 Father’s TEACHING about Sanctuary given beginning with Exodus 24:12 to know all characters of love of His Father REVEALED by His Son in John 17:6,26 being EXPLAINED in Luke 24:27,44 to make HEART BURN(Luke 24:32) for you in Rev 3:15,16 having in Rev 14:1 the characters of love of God AS being Father (revealed inside His Sanctuary about Christ IN YOU(Colos 1:27 Hebrews 11:1) being sealed now in Rev 7:1-8 for Rev 14:6-12 Rev 18:1-7 to call the world to come out from sins.
Myles, thank you for another excellent presentation. I have already listened to the entire video 3 times and will continue to listen again to finish collecting notes & quotes for my study. One point that really angered me was in the first clip Mark Finley starts out speaking from his "imagination" and then proceeds to teach from that "imagination" as if it what he said were all facts!! It makes me want to scream! And in top of that, Mark Finley can't even be transparent to state that the scene he described came from the "imagination" of Ellen White! But again thank you for such a deep & through coverage. I learned so much!!
Maybe you can help me out. I am an SDA and I recently went back to the first-century church expecting to find support for the 7th day sabbath. I was extremely surprised when I found out that as far as I can tell it just wasn't there. I then looked into how the Adventists address these documents of the early church, and I found an article by Frank Hardy on the topic of the Didache but found it lacking. I think that article would be sufficient if I was only looking to confirm my bias, however. Do you have any more resources you can provide for me to understand this idea of the 8th-day sabbath?
Yes. Get Nicholas Bownd’s “The True Doctrine of the Sabbath.” It is a 16th century work and is rigorous (just a heads up). But it is arguably the best book on the subject, in my opinion.
@@answeringadventism Thank you I just ordered it! I know that it's a position you disagree with but do you also know of the best resource in defense of the 7th day sabbath.
Have you read the book of Daniel? Your tone of mocking, worthy of Mocking? Daniel 7:25 says Antichrist would seek to change times and Law, study the full book of Daniel forget "proof texts" take the entire book. I see you are also quoting Acts, why to you quote Acts where the Gentile as Paul for Sabbath meetings 85 times the Sabbath is referenced by both Jews and gentiles in the new testement. The fact is the bible commands the 7th day for which the entire bible has not one word in favour for the 1st day or Sunday
You guys cite Paul at the synagogue where he was doing evangelism and claim he was keeping the seventh day sabbath. You think Paul was worshiping Jesus with Jews that rejected the Messiah? And that that was a church service? The Jews in the synagogue were not Christians! That wasn’t the Church gathering. And notice you didn’t address anything that was said you just parroted the SDA script. Maybe refrain from trying to tell us what the Bible does and doesn’t say. If you confuse something that basic it makes sense why you can’t see that the first day is all throughout scripture and was foreshadowed in the Old Testament.
''SDA leaders are laughable'' Are you sure? The Seventh day Adventist church is the only Protestant church to be truly worldwide. WE are in almost every nation in the world, 216 nations and growing. God's church is a WORLD CHURCH. The Baptists and the Methodists are bigger but they are not a true world church. The only other church that is a true world wide church is the Papacy. So which one is God's true church? That's easy. The one that adheres to ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS in Exodus 20. The Roman church not only doesn't adhere to ALL TEN commandments, but they also had the audacity to remove the 2nd commandment and change the 4th commandment while splitting up the 10th. The blasphemy of the Roman church is off the charts.
No matter how much you will search in the Bible for the word COVENANT (referring to the OLD covenant) you will ONLY find verses saying about things (such as the ark OF THE Covenant, the tablets OF THE ten commandments, the words written on the two stone tablets are call the words OF THE covenant, the blood of animals or the blood of Jesus are called the blood OF THE covenant) etc… ALL these are NOT the covenant but they are only OF THE the covenant given in Exodus 31:16 the seventh day Sabbath as being the only perpetual covenant: Exodus 31:16 The children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, celebrating it, they and their descendants AS everlasting covenant. Hebrews 8:13 In that He saith, A NEW covenant, He hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old IS READY TO vanish away. Hebrews 8:13 makes it clear that the OLD covenant (Exodus 31:16) is still active (which means that is still not abolished). But the OLD covenant (the seventh day Sabbath given in Exodus 31:16 WHEN will be forever abolished if Hebrews 8:13 make it clear that is still active and Isaiah 66:23 makes it clear that the seventh day Sabbath WILL CONTINUE forever. Let’s see: We see Exodus 31:16 saying that the seventh day Sabbath was given AS covenant and seeing Hebrews 8:13 making it clear that the old covenant is still active it is clear to us that being given in Exodus 31:16 AS a covenant it will no longer be AS covenant when we already be in heaven (Isaiah 66:23) because being in heaven there can be NO more covenant (ie convention, condition of salvation). As is the marriage covenant, making it clear that only by being loyal will you be together forever. Don't be fooled by the teachers who twist everything to put into your head that EVERYTHING in the Old Testament is the OLD covenant. But no matter how much they will search in the Old Testament they will ONLY find verses about things OF THE covenant given in Exodus 31:16 and nothing else as covenant to be mentioned also in Hebrews 8:13 and to give the name of the ark OF His covenant in Rev 11:19(Hebr 9:4) made as highly visible in Rev 11:19 to fulfill also Matthew 24:30 about HIS SIGN(Exodus 31:13,17 Ezekiel 20:12,20) able to make the whole world to MOURN in Matthew 24:30 seeing HIS SIGN. Cannot find any other verse in the Bible to explain Matthew 24:30(Rev 11:19). SUNday Sun’s day worshippers are going astray by not being able to see that the whole creation and the whole Bible was given FOR the Sabbath. But it will take me a long time to show you the Bible saying about this main purpose of creation and salvation.
And he going to lose big time... because he twists historical facts like a magician use misdirection and slide of hand( mind)...and people who have no knowledge, about history getting hooked up...How the serpent deceive Adam and Eve...." Did God say..."
Question: Seventh-day Adventists insist that the Catholic Church has no scriptural warrant for changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Is this true? Answer: Not by a long shot. This question has been addressed by Catholic Answers Magazine before, but perhaps I, as a convert to the Catholic Church from Seventh-day Adventism, can offer a fresh perspective on the matter. While it is true that there is no New Testament record of a voice from the heavens instructing the infant Church, “Thou shalt change the day of thy worship and rest from Saturday to Sunday,” Adventists are mistaken in their belief that there is no New Testament evidence that supports such a change by the Catholic Church. Quite apart from the biblical proof of the apostolic Church’s authority to teach in God’s name (Mt 16:18-19, 18:17-18, Lk 10:16) and of God’s guarantee that this teaching would never fall into error (Mt 28:19-20, Lk 22:32, Jn 16:13), there is an impressive amount of evidence from Scripture that Christ and the apostles changed their day of corporate worship from Saturday to Sunday. The Old Testament Sabbath commandment contains two elements. The primary element, and the one that binds Christians as it does Jews, is the moral obligation to set aside adequate time for the purpose of divine worship. This could never be abrogated, as it is rooted in the natural law. The secondary element was ceremonial and therefore could be abolished-and was abolished by Jesus’ death on the cross (Col 2:12-17). This secondary, ceremonial element was that the particular day chosen to meet the moral obligation of the law was Saturday, so that the Jews would remember and memorialize the creation of the earth. Jesus, during his earthly ministry, began to prepare the way for changing Sabbath worship from “the letter of the law” to “the spirit of the law.” Remember that one of his greatest arguments with the Pharisees concerned Sabbath worship. He constantly rebuked them for placing the rigid observance of mere details above the spirit of setting aside a day to rest from unnecessary servile work and to worship God. By this Jesus made it clear that the Sabbath may be changed to meet the needs of man. By effecting these changes as “the Son of Man,” Jesus used his human authority to show us that he is “Lord even of the Sabbath” (Mk 2:28). As Frs. Rumble and Carty point out in Radio Replies, special honor is shown to Sunday throughout the New Testament. Christ rose from the dead on Sunday, and he first appeared to his disciples that Easter Sunday evening (Jn 20:19). One week later-and from the context we can see that this meant the following Sunday-Jesus appeared to them again when Thomas was present (John 20:26). Luke records that Sunday was observed by the Christian community from the very beginning: “On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread” (Acts 20:7). To “break bread” refers to the celebration of the Eucharist (Mt 26:26, Mk 14:22). Paul ordered the Corinthians to gather their offertory collections on Sunday (1 Cor 16:2); that set the scriptural precedent we follow today of gathering our offerings on Sunday during Mass. John records in Rev. 1:10 that he was granted a vision of heaven’s own worship while he was at worship (“caught up in spirit”) on “the Lord’s day.” John’s disciple Ignatius of Antioch tells us in his Letter to the Magnesians that “the Lord’s day” is not the ancient Sabbath; therefore, “the Lord’s day” must refer to Sunday. (See This Rock, September 1994, “The Fathers Know Best.”)
@@charnelallan7159 Jesus clearly declared that the Sabbath was made for man! Not only the Jews are men! The fourth Commandment instructed us to "REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY.! SIX DAYS SHALL THOU LABOUR AND DO ALL THY WORK, BUT THE SDVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD. IN IT THOU SHALL NOT DO ANY WORK,THOU NOR THY SON,NOR THY DAUGHTER, THY MANSERVANT,NOR THY MANSERVANT,NOR THY CATTLE,NOR THY STRANGER THAT IS WITHIN THY GATES. FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH,THE SEA AND ALL THAT IN THEM IS,AND RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY,THEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND HALLOWED IT."
@@applerose5811 I have absolutely no issues with persons wanting to keep the 7th day sabbath. Believing it's the seal of God means ur have made it a salvation issue. The phrase the sabbath was made for man needs to be read in its actual context. If ur interpretation of MARK 2 27 is correct. Answer me the following 1. Why r there no biblical accounts of any sabbath command given prior to the nation of Israel? Absolutely no accounts of anyone keeping or profaining the sabbath prior to israel? 2. The gentiles were not given the mosaic law.Which contained the sabbath command. B3fore u tell me the mosaic law is the ceremonial laws. Read 1st kings 2 3 AND KEEP THE CHARGE OF THE LORD THY GOD TO WALK IN HIS WAYS TO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS AND HIS JUDGEMENT AND HIS TESTIMONIES AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE LAW OF MOSES. 3. Th3 text u cited was given as a covenant to ONLY TH3 NATION OF ISRAEL.
@@applerose5811 Mark 2, 27 proves that the sabbath is ceremonial not moral. Moral laws r not conditional. David ate the showbread which was unlawful but did not sin. Likewise the priests in the temple PROFANED the sabbath and and not sin because by law the priests had to perform animal sacrifice and food offerings in the temple on th3 sabbath which requires work. The same goes for Circumcision which required work , carrying load on the sabbath. U read the pharisees accused the jews who picked grains on the sabbath because they were hungry. The needs r placed above sabbath keeping, moral laws r not conditional. A thef who steals when he is hungry is still a thief. Because he took wat isn't his. Moral laws r timeless nit just by association. If a moral law is moral it will be moral 7 days a week not just one particular day
Hello, SDA person! As an authentic Christian, I recognize that Jesus Christ is my Sabbath and my true High Priest. "For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well" (Hebrews 7:12). I am a New Covenant Christian. I worship God every day, but most especially, I worship Jesus on the Lord's Day-the First Day of the week -with my fellow believers.
Rome's Day is the first day of the week. Rome is merely baptized paganism. It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church. -Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.
Yes, great parroting and not dealing with a single thing presented. Spam comments get people muted. You have spammed a number of videos with comments that clearly show you aren't listening but just coming to comment SDA talking points. Please refrain or you'll be muted.
@@answeringadventism Threats of force, fear, intimidation, manipulation and/or deception are purely Satanic. Do as you will. You've already cut yourself off from the fountain of Truth! My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 1 John 2:1-6 KJV
You got to be kidding! All he is doing is showing the truth that the Church of Rome has said for a long time. Why don't you show me from the Bible the sacredness of Sunday? There is no such thing. The Sabbat has it's foundation in Scripture, not tradition as sunday or as some are now saying we worship any day.@@answeringadventism
''This message is so timely'' You're so lucky. Tell me, how many texts did Myles give you clearly showing Sunday is blest and holy or a new Commandment? Share. I'm on the edge of my seat.
Matthew 24:20 But PRAY ye that your flight be NOT in the winter, neither on the sabbath DAY: In Matthew 24:20 COMMANDING His disciples(Matt 24:1) Jesus was able to know that His disciples will have to pray for this one Sabbath on the next 40 years AFTER cross KNOWING that only on the next 40 years AFTER cross on the year 70 AD will come the Roman army to destroy Jerusalem and kill the Jews. COMMANDING in Matthew 24:20 to pray for Sabbath Jesus was able to know that on the next 40 years AFTER cross also the first Christianity will be added in Matthew 24:20 to pray for this one Sabbath day. It is clearly that in the first 40 years AFTER the cross, was gathered to the number of disciples also the first Christians to pray together, OBEYING Jesus in Matthew 24:20. Your DIVINE Jesus were not COMMANDING in Matthew 24:20 to pray on the next 40 years AFTER cross for a Sabbath DAY which SUNday worshippers will abolish on the cross. You cannot insult your DIVINE Jesus seeing Him without knowledge about His prophecies. And so is clearly that not only His disciples but also the first Christianity was SEVENTH day CHRISTians worshippers WAITING for the second coming of Jesus. The word ADVENTIST is coming from the original word ADVENIO which is referring to CHRISTians WAITING for Jesus to come again. IF you were OBEYING Jesus in Matthew 24:20 then you were one of the best SEVENTH Day Adventists praying together with His disciples and then praying together the first Christianity on the first 40 years AFTER cross for this one sabbath COMMANDED by Jesus in Matthew 24:20. Carefully reading Matthew 24:3 we clearly see that in Matthew 24:20 WE are also COMMANDED to pray for this one Sabbath DAY which will take place in the time of OUR final tribulation mentioned in Matthew 24:7-10 Rev 13:15 Rev 12:17 Rev 16:14,16 etc. Will you refuse to OBEY your DIVINE Jesus COMMANDING YOU in Matthew 24:20 to pray for this one sabbath DAY?. Because I will have many other verses in the NEW Testament to see yourself being COMMANDED to sanctify the SEVENTH day Sabbath.
You can twist and turn the Scriptures,and say all what you want to say, but God has given us Clear and Specific instructions, about the fourth Commandment. The fourth Commandment is clearly stated,Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy.Six Days shall thou labour and do all thy work." Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man, not only the Jews are men! God does not change. He said that He WIll not alter the things that is gone out of His mouth.
When Sabbath is mentioned, Saturday automatically comes to one's mind. However Sabbath and Saturday are two different things. Sabbath is an activity. Sabbath is a Hebrew word which comes from the root word shabbath meaning ' to desist from toil or cease from labour/hard work '. Thus, six days thou shalt labour and do all thy work . But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.' Deut. 5: 13,14. Notice it says, Sabbath not Saturday. Saturday is a latin word, not Hebrew or Greek. Bear in mind that the scriptures were written either in Hebrew or Greek. The name Saturday it's name from Saturn's Day. The day the pagan Rome used to worship the planet Saturn. Thus Saturday ( Satur(n)day.) So if I worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob on Sunday, does it mean that I worship the sun, or if you worship on Saturday, then you worship Saturn. Whether we worship on Saturday or Sunday, we worship the Lord. After all we are all God's and we live for Him. Romans 14: 4-8. Be blessed.
@@matthiasduambe5895 God has given us a specific day that we all are to worship. In the Book of Genesis 2:1-2 It is clearly stated that "On the Seventh Day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the Seventh Day from all His work,which He had made. And God blessed the Seventh Day,and Sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which He had made" Well you see God not only stated a specific day to Worship Him,but He also blessed and Sanctified it. We are to worship God every day to stay connected with Him! The Sabbath Day is a special Day, a Celebration of His Creative Works. He has committed us to "Remember to This Day Holy" And He also said if love Me, keep My Commandments.
@@matthiasduambe5895 "Blessed are they that do His Commandments that they may have right to the Tree of Life,and may enter through the gates into the City," Revelation 22:14
@@BenBen-bf7wg Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things and count them but dung, that I may win Christ.
"To the law and to the testimony if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them. " -Isaiah 8:20 What a contortionist of Holy Scripture . Sad INDEED. What people won't when they do not want to keep God's Law. If Myles only understood Daniel and Revelation and REAL History. Never have i heard such a misrepresentation of Seventh-day Adventist Church. He convinces me the SDA CHURCH IS GOD'S REMNANT CHURCH. That saddest part is that SO MANY OTHERS will follow this smoothe gospel . Sad . Something tells me, there's more that meets the eye here. Myles, go to Jesus Christ directly. Don't play with your own and other unknowing souls like this.
Right, thanks for evidencing you didn't even watch. I must have the gift of prophecy because, as I plainly stated, people like you would show up and just regurgitate the script. "Never have i heard such a misrepresentation of Seventh-day Adventist Church." Which part? Where we referenced JN Andrews historical revisionism? Ellen White's fiction? EJ Waggoner twisting Dr. Phillip Schaff? Mark Finely parroting the pioneers and not even knowing what he's criticizing? The irony.
@@answeringadventism Even after he had died the disciples kept the Sabbath... it's unfortunate you say what you don't understand Luk 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. How will u explain this to your grandson that the Sabbath was a shadow 😂😂😂🤣
@@bigirwaraymond7171And how will you explain to yours that the first church was gathering on Sundays and that Bible says that? How will you explain that women met Jesus on that Sunday and when they saw Jesus they, let me quote the Bible, they WORSHIPPED Him. Explain to me how come they were allowed to worship Jesus on a Sunday? How come He didn’t stop them and tell them, don’t do that, wait till sabbath, don’t you know it’s Sunday today? Don’t you know that’s bad? How will you explain to your grandson that every time the church gathered in the new covenant they met on a Sunday, and every time Jesus showed up after the resurrection it was always on a Sunday???? And how will you explain commenting on a video that you haven’t even watched but just assume you know better??
@@life.after.adventism See: Acts 13 : 42 - 44 42 )"And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might Be Preached To Them The Next Sabbath. 43) Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. 44 ) And The Next Sabbath Day Came Almost The Whole City Together to Hear The Word Of God." Likewise to your question... If the "Lord's Day" was already established every Sunday, by Jesus and the apostles, after Christ's resurrection; Then why didn't Paul and Barnabas just tell the gentiles to come back again, the Next Day ( on the so-called "Lord's Day" ), to preach again to the assembly, instead of waiting for the "next sabbath day" to roll around??? ...
I hope u sda's realize that ur comments r public. Ur failure to refute bro Myles shows ur high level of indoctrination. Tell what does the text in hebrews 4 AND GOD AGAIN SET A CERTAIN DAY MEAN?
Myles an amarture in rightly dividing the word of truth...there's no scripture that supports Sunday observance neither is there verse that supports trampling Sabbath underfoot...I will be glad if u bring one on the table ... Jesus kept it Luke 4:16 the disciples kept it Acts 13:42-4 ,17:2 ..Christ himsel echoes and re echoes mark7;7 you worship me in vain teaching the commandments the doctrines of men , historical sources that are not in harmony with Daniel 7;25 can never be trusted ...thats being an offshoot...I don't see the reason why you attack waggoners work .. provided his findings are inline with a prophetic word...then he is wise Ecclesiastes 12:9 And moreover, because the Preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yes, he pondered and sought out and set in order many proverbs 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗👍🤛💪
@@life.after.adventism Hey anneu. I have some videos I just share the titles and you can UA-cam search and listen in on these gems. Seventh day adventist cult First Baptist. Pastor Steven L Anderson of faithful word baptist church. (he is spot on on the subject, I have some ??? on some of other issues. -- Now comes the main event Sabbath Lovers Will HATE THIS VIDEO! - Dr. Gene Kim Cults Try to Destroy Scriptures that Debunk Sabbath | Dr. Kim What Is Wrong With Seventh Day Adventism? | Intermediate Discipleship What The Bible Says About Seventh Day Adventists | Intermediate Discipleship #14 | Dr. Gene Kim Why God Is Not a Seventh Day Adventist | Intermediate Discipleship #15 | Dr. Gene Kim check it out and your welcome
@@deus_vult8111 Act 20:7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. Biblically a day starts at sundown[from evening to evening Leviticus 23:32]..up to now you can't conceive it that after Sabbath that is the evening of Sunday [first day ] Paul continued to preach until midnight ready to depart in the morning of Sunday.... May God help us to divide the word of truth rightly...
First of all, we don't worship Saturday, we worship God on Saturday like the 4th Commandment tells us to. Second, there is no bible verse calling Sunday sacred or blessed. Second, if the pagans criticized so-called Christians for keeping Sunday as worshiping the sun, maybe they know something since that's the day they worship the Sun.
@@billyhw5492 ''Please stop worshipping Saturn.'' You mean stop worshiping on the day God has ordained as the Sabbath in scripture? See, the difference between my worship day and your worship day, is I have an actual commandment to back my decision, you don't even have a suggestion that Sunday is sacred or a rest day. Constantine was a Sun worshipper. You have spout errors.
Thank you myles this is a wonderful presentation- loved the study of Hebrews 4 & your explanation of how we can enter Gods rest by being ‘in Christ’ & the link to the redemption we have in him with ‘another day’ thank you 🙏🏻
how we can enter Gods rest by being ‘in Christ’ '' Wow, you're easy. I would at least ask for BIBLICAL proof that the bible actually called Sunday sacred or blessed. I'd certainly demand something from Scripture from the Trinity, ANNOUNCING the new Sabbath to the gentiles. Do you have such texts?
I can get on board with the new creation (though I think it applies to us and not the literal planet), but where in the Bible does it say that Sunday is the new memorial of it? You're extrapolating things into the text that aren't there.
According to Leviticus the Firstfruits sheaf was waved on the day AFTER THE SABBATH. That would be SUNDAY, you see no connection between Christ the Firstfruits being resurrected AFTER the Sabbath? Also Psalm 118:24.
@@s_hrndz0119 I can accept that and see the connection, but the Bible NEVER says that the sanctity of the Sabbath was moved to Sunday because of it. Just because Christ was resurrected on Sunday doesn't mean it's now the Sabbath.
@@hotwax9376 We don’t claim Sunday is the Sabbath, Sunday is the Lord’s Day. The early church fathers distinguished between the Sabbath and the Lord’s Day.
I am a Christian and have been in false doctrine Christian churches. I then decided to just read and study scripture for myself, the teacher I prefer, as I came to understand the whole council of God and not just a few verses, was Chuck Missler. I live in a farming community in South Africa, and 3 weeks ago, I started a Bible study group for women. I have a 7th Day Adventist in the group, I always knew they were not Christian but never had to pay much attention until now. I have to study their beliefs to be able to counter it with the Bible. I started with a quick summary of the start of the church and just there I discovered that the foundation is built on a lie. However I new that she might not get just that fact so in further investigation of the theology, I have to listen to preachings and I am not able to establish what they believe due to the word salad, they use Christian’lingo’ but say nothing. I’m not being nasty just truthful. Thank God in researching more I came across your videos, much easier to see where the deception from the foundation with Miller and White, has grown to. And as it is this lady has not stopped mentioning, do I know the history of the church, as this is very important, I now think she’ll probably build up to the Sabbath. Thank you and pray that she gets to see the wonder of Jesus and His work on our behalf. Pray that God uses His Spirit to council to her. I am nervous at times as there are so many false ideologies they believe in. Very complicated.
Myles: What causes this idea that one’s theology, dogma, belief or theological interpretation is the only one true? Is it born of the limited self-centered thought? Is it an extension of the glorification of traditional tribal god? Why do we want to limit God, truth, beauty or love to the level of a tribal mind?
@@billyhw5492 no, not in the Bible. Catholic Church also gave the savior a pagan God's name to incorporate the worshipers of zues and kristna. Apolstles did not leave them this.
Sabbath has been historically classified as celebrated on the first sign of the setting sun. They started Sabbath at night. Do Sabbath Keepers worship at night? According to Jewish tradition, still followed today, it always begins on Friday night, not Saturday morning. I suppose they don't know that Catholics do have Saturday evening mass.
I am still a member of SDA church but have one foot out the door based on me finally researching Ellen White and finding her to be a false prophet. Now I am wondering about the Sabbath too... I'm wondering how do you interpret Mark 2:28 Jesus is claiming Lord ship of the Sabbath before the cross so that would have been the seventh day Sabbath not Sunday as Jesus when alive on the earth kept the Seventh Day Sabbath? I've always heard Mark 2:28 as a text proving John in Revelation 1:10 was "...in the spirit on the Lord's Day..." Really meant the seventh day Sabbath. Also is there significance to so many of the Old testament ceremonies that were on the 8th Day meaning
''I've always heard Mark 2:28 as a text proving John in Revelation 1:10 was "...in the spirit on the Lord's Day..." Really meant the seventh day Sabbath.'' And that would be correct. IN all of the NT, there is NO TEXT linking the Lord's Day of Revelation to the 1st day. But both in the OT and NT, there are texts stating the 7th day Sabbath is the Lord's Day. The 4th commandment and the text you sited in Mark. ''Also is there significance to so many of the Old testament ceremonies that were on the 8th Day meaning'' If there is, there are no texts to confirm it. Sunday is ALWAYS addressed as the 1st day; it's not even given a name. There are ceremonial 8th days, but those didn't always fall on the 1st day. There are no 'ceremonial' days connected to the Sabbath except for High Sabbaths where Passover happened to fall on the 7th day Sabbath.
This church has been here loooonnng before you, and will be looooonnng after you are gone, save you repent. The face and spirit of apostacy that you peddle is not unique to you my friend as many many have traveled that road before you. Like the church of old , the apostalic church and the church in the wilderness, this Laodicean SDA church is the object of Christ supreme regard on this earth. Though spritually weak and feeble at this moment, The SDA movement will withstand all attacks from within and without and this church militant shall be purified in the fires of lifes affliction and then she shall become the church triumphant. The real issue Is, can you afford the peril of standing against God's remnant church and doing the work of Satan? For every soul you endanger with this apostacy , the weight of eternal wrath shall not escape you. Repent and return to thy first love, the day of our salvation is nigh at hand. You have much that Christ can use to exalt and advance His name and work. There is still time and space to repent!🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Me too as a 7th day sabbath keeping Christian believe it is the Lord's day ,was made for man and it is a blessing. Sorry you have such a hard time with everything that does not fit your understanding.
Watch an SDA proof-text (for perpetual Sabbath observance) backfire... and destroy, the SDA position: What do SDAs do... FROM sunset Friday TO sunset Saturday? -do they recognize what the words FROM & TO mean? Now read Isaiah 66:23 New King James Version 23 And it shall come to pass That FROM one New Moon TO another, And FROM one Sabbath TO another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord. /////////////////////////////////// These are measures of time, for ancient Israel. So, what is ACTUALLY happening THE WHOLE TIME??? /////////////////////////////////// Yes, AFTER the new heavens and the new earth are formed... ALL FLESH will worship before GOD. Without ceasing or interruption. This is clearly seen in the passage you cite. -though illustrated using THE ONLY REFERENCES to time... that Israel could comprehend /////////////////////////////////// REALLY SPIKING THE FOOTBALL NOW: Isaiah 66:22 (the preceding verse) “For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make SHALL REMAIN BEFORE ME,” says the Lord, “So shall your descendants and your name remain. -oh, the people REMAIN before GOD... in like manner... just as the passage says /////////////////////// WILL the NEW heavens and NEW earth ALWAYS, CONSTANTLY & PERPETUALLY... REMAIN... before GOD??? -the people REMAIN BEFORE GOD... in like manner //////////////////////// 23 And it shall come to pass That FROM one New Moon TO another, And FROM one Sabbath TO another, All flesh shall come to worship BEFORE ME,” says the Lord. Does the people coming (AND REMAINING before God) imply coming... AND going away? -nope ///////////////////////
Deleting posts which ruin all your fight against the seventh day Sabbath cannot demonstrate you as being intelligent having Bible support. By deleting my posts you only demonstrated that you are not a fighter for the Bible truth
I don't understand. Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus is the Sabbath or Sabbath "rest". He says he is the Lord of the Sabbath. And the Sabbath was made for man. It was made before any Jews existed, and God sanctified and hallowed it, before sin was introduced. So basically your saying it that when God makes something sacred and holy that people can say that it isn't? This is Cain and Able all over again.
My 91 yr old mother and most of my immediate family will not read the scriptures that pertain to the "sabbath " & the 3rd coming (post 1, 000 yrs) to fight the non-adventist, once & for all. This goes completely against scripture.
Just thought question for you, you said there was no question about what day the Sabbath was before SDA's what about the Seventh Day Baptists and the Waldensians?
I didn’t say there haven’t been seventh day sabbatarians at all. There’s been other groups long before the seventh day baptists even. Judaizing goes back to the first century. My point was there was no grand conspiracy to veil the sabbath such that the SDA movement was necessary to now educate everyone on it. The SDA Church acts like before them, everyone was confused or ignored the scriptures in regard to the sabbath. This simply isn’t true. But also, the Waldensians were not seventh day sabbatarians. It’s odd that SDAs will appeal to the waldensians who were (and still are) Calvinists. Yet the SDA Church loathes Calvinism. They affirm what I presented in this presentation. The first day is the Christian’s sabbath. Not the old creation seventh day memorial. We’ve documented this here: answeringadventism.com/were-the-waldensians-seventh-day-sabbath-keepers/
@@answeringadventism Thanks for replying to my question and clarifying your point to me. I didn't realize Adam came up with idea that Waldensians were Sabbath keepers, until I just looked it up now.
@@philiplehman1843Hang on, the SDAs didn't misreport the history: the reports from church officials during the dark ages mention Sunday and Sabbath keeping Waldenses, for the Waldenses were forced to live in various places in Europe. The earliest written records of their practices were destroyed by the persecution sent to destroy them for breaking from Rome's system, which they surely are known for.
Around 109, Finley says something like, Satan hates the Sabbath, because he hates Jesus as the creator, yet, according to egw Jesus was exalted to sonship, how could a created being be the creator... according to SDA? Pre Jesus's exaltation, Lucifer a created being, got jealous of another created being, Jesus, being exalted above Lucifer? Ludicrous contradictions. This false paradigm has some explaining to do Lucy...
🤦♂️🤦♂️ That isn’t what plagiarism is. The Old Testament is JESUS’S Word. All of scripture is Jesus’s. He wasn’t taking someone else’s words, passing them off as being from God when they weren’t, and then copywriting them and selling them. The fact that your even compare EGW with Jesus in such a way is sad. “Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, declares the Lord, who steal my words from one another. 31 Behold, I am against the prophets, declares the Lord, who use their tongues and declare, ‘declares the Lord.’ 32 Behold, I am against those who prophesy lying dreams, declares the Lord, and who tell them and lead my people astray by their lies and their recklessness, when I did not send them or charge them. So they do not profit this people at all, declares the Lord.”-Jeremiah 23:30-2 God HATES what Ellen White did.
Right now i saw Hebrews 8:13 in original Greck and is saying the same. But even you will not always observe “OF THE”… you still have the OLD covenant in Exodus 31:16 and then you have Hebrews 8:13, making clearly that the OLD covenant Exodus 31:16 is still NOT vanished away and so you are still living under the OLD covenant… And will remain for you to explain Hebrews 8:12, to tell us WHEN will be vanished away the OLD covenant Exodus 31:16 knowing that in Isaiah 66:23 you cannot have anymore the Sabbath “AS” covenant … when you know what is a covenant
Then what Is Jesus talking about all his people will be called out of babylon in revelation. That would take in all people from all beliefs to come to Jesus in truth? This is just a question I need answered
We can worship God any day of the week but the day is a day God sanctified and hallowed. Isa 58 :12-14 tells us what activities are involved on Gods day and calls us to bring people back to this day . GOD IS PARTICULAR. I wouldn't want to mess with Him. Rom 6,23 is still feath to people who don't want to keep this law which includes the 4th precept. I ONLY GO by what God say not what other men say
Supernatural insight, what marvelous divine revelation! This advanced and precise understanding of the Sabbath in the NT totally demolishes the plain/surface understanding of the SDA Church of their pivotal sabbatical doctrine which is just a reinforcement of the observance of the fourth commandment now obsolete. Nowhere in the New Testament is it said that Seventh Day Sabbath breakers will not inherit the kingdom of God. As of prime importance Jesus and the apostles would certainly have made it a matter of priority to solemnly warn us to strictly keep the Seventh Day Sabbath if our salvation hinges on it. Prayer, godly persuasion and God's power can deliver SDA people from the law of sin and death. Contrary to the scripture they are not willing to acknowledge that the law brings wrath and that Christ's perfect sacrifice on the cross has saved us from the wrath of God. Romans 7:9-10 "I once lived outside the law, but when the commandment came, sin became alive; then I died...." The law is a measure for sin, the law is fuel for the explosion of sin. Unfortunately, SDAs are not aware that they are heaping up wrath for themselves for the day of wrath.
The 10 commandments were given only to the Israelites on Mt Sinai as the basis of God's covenant with them. It did not include the gentiles. And Jesus' ministry on earth was confined to the Israelites. That's why Jesus said to the gentile woman who begged Him for her sick daughter's healing that He could not take the children's (the Israelites ) food and and give it to dogs (gentiles). At the end of His ministry at the last supper He made a new covenant that would embrace the whole world that includes the gentiles. And for the new covenant Jesus gave a new commandment " A new commandment I give you that you love one another as I love you, and by this all will know that you are my disciple".To show that the whole world is now included in the new covenant, Jesus says in John 12:32 "And I,if I'm lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL peoples to Myself "
CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Introduction to Sabbath Debate
5:44 - Satan's Strategy Against Sabbath
14:09 - Pagan Influence on Sabbath
24:25 - Sun Worship vs Sabbath Observance
25:25 - Constantine's Role in Sabbath Change
31:10 - Tertullian's Sabbath Views
33:23 - Early Christian Didache and Sabbath
37:35 - Dr. Philip Schaff's Historical Insights
41:55 - Edict of Milan's Impact on Worship
49:43 - J.H. Waggoner's Perspective on Sabbath
58:01 - Satan's Attack on Sabbath Worship
1:01:01 - Sabbath Worship Significance
1:07:50 - Theological Reasons for Sabbath Hatred
1:12:45 - Sabbath: Sign of Creation and Rest
1:18:45 - Christ as the First Fruits
1:24:27 - New Creation and Sabbath Memorial
1:31:06 - Understanding New Creation in Sabbath Context
1:34:36 - Sabbath Rest in Hebrews 4
1:40:38 - Gospel and Sabbath Rest Comparison
1:43:06 - Remaining in God's Sabbath Rest
1:45:15 - Ultimate Sabbath Rest in Theology
1:46:17 - Sabbath Rest for Believers
1:49:10 - Entering God's Rest Discussion
1:55:47 - Hebrews 4: Sabbath Parallels Explained
1:57:52 - Importance of the Sabbath Day
2:03:34 - Jesus' Actions on the Sabbath
2:05:20 - First Day Worship Proofs
2:07:18 - Refuting SDA Interpretation of Hebrews 4:9
2:11:42 - Historical Testimonies of Sunday Worship
2:19:34 - Eusebius on Sabbath and Sunday
2:22:38 - Augustine's Views on Lord's Day
2:25:48 - Heinrich Wolf's Historical Account
2:29:40 - Giralamo Zanchi on Sabbath Observance
2:32:30 - Mark Finley on Sabbath and Sunday
2:37:53 - Understanding Hebrews 4's Call to Worship
2:46:51 - Upcoming Q&A Session Announcement
2:47:54 - Closing Remarks and Reflections
You know, as I listened to Myles reading the from the church fathers near the end of the video, I had two thoughts. 1st thought, I was struck by the beauty, intelligence and depth of their writings and in contrast we heard about an imaginary outer space meeting betweeen satan and his minions from Mark Finley. Real deep thinker that one.
2nd thought. No wonder the sdas dismiss the ECF… they sink their boat.
Yes! After 50 years the last part of the SDA teaching has left my mind. I am totally free! Christ is my sabbath rest.
Amein! He is the substance! Christ Jesus is our REST
Christ can't be your rest if you keep on transgressing his law. It was those who keep the 10 commands that truly have rest in Jesus. Miles is a big fat liar .
@@ShirleyAfia Shirley, wake up and get away from you SDA worldview. The 10 commandments are the old covenant that brings death. The new covenant has with it the law of Christ and in Him we find rest, not by obeying a set of laws that no one could obey.
Amen!!!
@Vincent-gc3cu Everyday is the sabbath rest. period! Come on people it's never been about a day. It's been about Christ. His finished work. The damnable teachings of E.G. White will never lead you to the true sabbath rest in Christ Jesus.
This is probably my 3rd time listening to this 🙈 it truly is so deep! Myles, you are a modern day disciple and I know you are appreciated by so many 🥹🫶🏼🦋💜🦋
My brother i am in tears. I lost my family and myself because of this strong delusional cult called 7day adventist beliefs. This is by far the most in depth study ive ever heard . My heart never accepted 7day adventist divisional condemnation finger pointing doctrin. Pray for my kids and wife 😢😢
I’m so sorry😓
"Your best day, only provides the sin necessary to need a savior." Amen.
My friend once said I worshipped the sun by going to Church on Sunday. I said that would mean you worship Saturn. His response was that in Spanish Saturday is called Sábado, which means Sabbath.
I gave up. 🤷♂️
😂😂 wise choice to give up...the arguments make no sense.
HalleluYAH! May His "Name" And "Sovereignty" Be Vindicated!!!!
Sounds like younger me 🤣😂🤣 . I’m apologizing for your friend lol . I didn’t know any history just popular quotes to refute a critic.
Yes, in Spanish Saturday is "sábado" (we don't use initial capitals for the days of the week), which means sabbath, but Sunday is "domingo", which derives from the Latin Dominica or Dominicus Dies, which means Lord's day. No Saturn day or Sun day in Spanish.
Ha! They must all be taught the same arguments as I've heard the exact same thing from them.
Elce made a great point related to this in regards to SDAs in Greece. Despite being there for over 100 years, the SDA Greek Mission Union has no more than 500 members in a country of over 10 million people and most of them are immigrants who’ve moved in. They’re lucky if they get 10 baptisms in a year. This is because the Eastern Orthodox Church is about 90% of the country and they know Church History & Koine Greek, unlike Ellen White and the Pioneers so when Adventists tell them Sunday worship is pagan/catholic they automatically know they’re full of it as they’ve been there for over 1,000 years.
Excellent stuff! Cool!! A fantastic way to tell the deceiver, back off! Stop spreading your lies and deception in my turf!
Full of what? Common say it lol
It is pagan, Saturday has always and will always be Sabbath.
This sign has been a mark of power ever since Justinian. “Sunday is our mark of authority …. The church is above the Bible, and this transference of sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (The Catholic Record of London, Ontario, Sept. 1, 1923).
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Is that all you got from this video I am sorry to say you are so deeply indoctrinated that you are blinded by lies that you have to defend, unfortunately your doctrine is hogwash and bares no weight as what you believe has no biblical substance what a shame that you following a dead witch
@@jdw-616 : No. Emperor Justinian didn't invent Sunday celebration. Emperor Constantine didn't invent or impose a religious observance of Sunday for all the citizens of the Roman empire; just a civil cessation of activities for imperial officials in cities, irrespective of their religious convictions. Neither emperor was ever a pope. And Sunday was universally celebrated by Christians a couple of centuries before Constantine was even born. So, no. Adventist fables will not be tolerated by Christians.
I've got news for that SDA preacher. I don't worship the sun or the Sabbath. I worship the true God of the Bible. I worship the SON, not the sun.
Wow 🤯 Thank you sooo much for this study Myles!!
I honestly felt a little bit unsettled believing there was no sabbath or day of rest at all after leaving Adventism because of the texts I had studied in the Bible, but I also couldn’t bring myself to go as far as to believe Sunday was the Christian Sabbath based on the responses i heard from many reformed christians I had spoken to… it just wasn’t sufficient and didn’t add up for me. But THIS!!!! After following through with my Bible the Holy Spirit brought to my memory soo many more texts and things that I’ve come across in the Bible before and it’s like it just clicked and made sense!!
It’s amazing!!!! And sooo beautiful and perfect and righteous and true. Wow!!!
Amen Sara. Ex-SDA here. This stream was pivotal for me to accept the worship of Christ on Sunday (or any day for that matter). But get this, which blows my mind as I only found this out recently. The first documented occurrence of the worship of Jesus on a Sunday; Matthew 28:1-10, focussing on verse 9!
I'm not disputing that the seventh-day sabbath is accepted as occurring on the Saturday. As new covenant Christians, Jesus is the substance of the Sabbath; we now rest eternally and spiritually through him (Heb 3 and 4). It really is beautiful indeed.
Hey Shirley. You remind me of my sister who thinks the same way as you. Miles speak the truth on this issue. Those 10 commands you speak of are part of that old covenant, we now live by the new covenant and we do find our rest in Christ alone, not by the works of the law but by faith in Christ's finished work. The gospel is so simple...believe. In Christ we are fully rightous.
The Gentiles keep by nature those things which are contained in the law, therefore are a law unto themselves.
Thank you for this Myles. I was needing some more info on how to answer this church on Sunday thing I’ve been doing lately. I recently left Adventism as a 3rd generation and found the Real Jesus. God Bless You.
Praise the Lord for allowing you to escapes this cult
@@gordo191the only “shakening” is people waking up to the false religion of Adventism
@@gordo191 yes, part of the shaking that Jesus mentioned in Matthew 15:13.
Uproot these false religions LORD 🙏
You know you were in a cult when 👆 fear mongering comments like the “shaking” above are used to keep its members allegiance based on fear. SDAs are the most scared and fake conspiracy theorists out there. Thank God He led you out! I’m a former too. And it’s funny how SDAs play the victim but quickly become hostile toward formers. Stay strong in the Lord!
@@gordo191I feel really bad for you been still stuck on the school bus going nowhere. Galatians 3: 24 - 25
I go to church to hear the gospel, and also life lessons to help me be the person i desire to be, if that were on Saturday Sunday or Wednesday that's when and where I would be in Church.
My sentiments, exactly! I don't think the day we worship matters to God. It's our hearts and the worship that He's interested in
@davidmarham9272
8 - 25 - 24
You are correct
The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S, praying and worshipping are interchangeable
1st Thessalonians 5 : 16 - 18
Finley and the Adventists are right that there's no biblical basis for Sunday Sabbatarianism...but that doesn't make it pagan, an invention of Satan, the Mark of the Beast, or anything like that, nor does it mean that Christians are worshipping the sun on that day. Satan doesn't care what day Christians worship on; he's far more concerned of attacking the true Gospel of grace through faith in Christ alone, and he has (knowingly or otherwise) used much of Adventism to do just that.
You r a liar I caught u in 7 lies you said Ada beleive,howvvmvome it's OK to read a Joyce Myers book r keneth Copeland but if you read elene white your a cult,double standard
Make sense
***ADVENTISTS LISTEN UP***** As you read this, keep in mind that Ellen G. White says "an Angel" told her this *regarding the doctrine eternal punishment!* Quote: "Said the angel, Life is life, whether it is in pain or happiness". *"DEATH IS WITHOUT PAIN, without joy, without hatred."* (Volume 1 Chapter 19 Spiritual Gifts volume 1, chapter 19
*Ellen G. White is in total CONTRADICTION to the very words of Christ in Matthew 13:42 *“And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there SHALL be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”*
1. Matthew 8:12
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be *weeping and gnashing of teeth.*
2. Matthew 13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: *there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.*
Matthew 13:50
And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: *there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.*
Matthew 22:13
Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and *cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.*
Matthew 24:51
And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: *there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.*
3. *REPEATEDLY ELLEN G WHITE CALLS THE WORDS OF CHRIST "SATAN" IN CHAPTER 19.
*Only Satan Himself would bring such a denial of the reality of pain and suffering to the sinner as to mock Christ's explicit warning!* Whom the Adventist's then Call Christ Himself and refer to as "Satan" , "A TYRANT" and a "monster worse than Hitler" . The Adventist have a conscience seared with a red hot iron!
Hell is described as a place of intense suffering and despair, where the reality of eternal separation from God manifests as physical and emotional torment. *The imagery of wailing and gnashing of teeth conveys the deep regret and anguish experienced by those therein.*
Mark 9:43-44“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that NEVER shall be quenched: *Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”*
Jesus teaches the seriousness of avoiding sin, even to the point of taking drastic measures, as Hell is a place of unquenchable fire where torment is eternal. *The reference to an undying worm and unquenchable fire stresses the continuous and relentless nature of punishment in Hell.*
What actually is the meaning of Sabbath? Is Sabbath a day of worship or a day of rest? What does the Bible say? And on the seventh day, God RESTED. It does not say on the seventh day God worshiped, it says rested.
@@moorek1967 The SDA does not rest from their works on the Sabbath. *Potluck lunches and dinners* are NOT to be done on the Sabbath! **In Exodus 16 the children of Israel were condemned and scolded for even THINKING about going out to pick up MANNA!*
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do *ANY work*, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, *nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:*
* Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth *ANY work* therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth *ANY work* in the sabbath day, *he shall surely be put to death* The Sabbath commandment like the other 9 stand as a witness against all those who claim to keep them. Rom. 3:19, Eph. 2:15, 1John 3:4, James 2:20, Mt. 5:17-20.
*Oh, hypocrisy of the Adventists, who condemn those who don't keep the Sabbath while the SDA regularly works on the Sabbath under the guise of "doing good" breaking the 10 commandments.*
Andrews (and other SDA pioneers) didn’t think that one day there’ll be a guy that’ll fact-check his usage of Schaff and his book. Good job Myles!
... Ahhh, but the "religious traditions" of Myles are being fact-checked, and weighed in the balance too here! ( if he'll even let you see them ? ) ..
"What's good for all geese, is good for all ganders! " ; D
Myles is destroying Adventism by using their own material.
Can I tell you my brother!!!!@@ChrisTian-tz3eq
You got that right!!!@@ChrisTian-tz3eq
@ChrisTian-tz3eq This is true. Always gonna be different opinions of how bible is interpreted
I pray that you can learn to criticize SDA, without profaning the Sabbath. Or criticizing Christ himself. As He, kept the Sabbath. As did, Paul. As did every other apostle of Christ. As did every other early Christian.
When you profane the Sabbath, and those who keep it, you are criticizing Christ, TOO. Christ was a Sabbath keeper. How can someone who does not want to live like Christ, call themselves a "Christian?"
Although am not an SDA but agree what you are saying
Oh so so sad that their false Sabbath is exposed...im so hurt by this. We have a duty to expose false teachings and unbiblical worldviews and God brought you to this channel for a reason. Repent
@@Ronriko1 I spoke with truth, grace, and kindness. Your sarcasm is not helpful. Using your reasoning, I guess you should be calling Christ to repentance then, too.
I am not a member of SDA, nor have been. I am simply a follower of Christ who keeps "Sabbath." The word Sabbath in Hebrew means the number 7. The 7th day.
False Sabbath? The first day of the week is not the seventh day of the week. It's very simple. I pray that you repent and draw closer to the lifestyle of our Savior.
@@HeyYoWhoa this is not a matter to deal lightly. Paul said if anyone preach a different gospel let him be accursed. People are taking wrong path because of EGW unbiblical doctrines. I am convinced she is not even born again.
You seem to be disconnected.
They Devil doesn’t hate the sabbath. The people who condemned Christ and had him crucified were sabbath-keepers. Those who stoned St. Stephen were sabbath-keepers. If the Devil can get you hung up on a day while missing the big picture then he’s done his job.
... Some say that they weren't "really" sabbath-keepers tho...
There is so much more to it, than just "outward show"...
Had their "hearts" really "entered into it"? ...
John 4 : 23 - 24
23 )"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.
24 ) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
YHWH'S Sabbath , according to the Scriptures, is still "the truth"... but those who "enter in" to worship, must also worship Him there in the right "spirit".
Matt 23 : 25 - 28
25 ) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but WITHIN they are full of extortion and excess.
26 ) Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 ) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed APPEAR BEAUTIFUL OUTWARD, but are WITHIN full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 ) Even so ye also Outwardly Appear Righteous unto men, BUT WITHIN ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
( Nicodemus, Stephen, Jesus, and the apostles, were all sabbath-keepers too... The difference is truly within, & by, what "spirit"? ...
(This IS "The Big Picture"! : )
@@ChrisTian-tz3eq
Last time I check it is clear as daylight in Acts chapter 15 that Christians are under no obligation to keep the Sabbath.
The Bible teach me the following: "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Galatians 3
But apparently you are still stuck in the school bus enjoying the *no faith cursed gospel.*
Strange how you people always propagate the same scriptures while refusing to bring ALL the related scriptures on this subject, to the table.
@@nonconformist4802.. Hello again... and by "what scripture(s)" has the Church been given the authority to take the "yearly" -"Jewish" - "Feast of First Fruits & Pentecost", and turn em into a "weekly" day of worship, while "thinking" to "change", and even "outlaw" YHWH'S Holy Sabbath?...
@@ChrisTian-tz3eq
As usual this person don't give a damn about what the Bible has to say. I did gave you a whole chapter to read so that you can't blamed me for a miss translation or out of context rubbish, but still you deflect my statements like a true SDA brainwashed follower.
Comprehension boy, comprehension is very important and because of that you didn't realized that you have jumped on the wrong school-bus.
Why on earth do you people rejected Galatians 4 / Romans 14 / Col 2 while the Bible clearly said: "CURSED IS EVERY ONE UNDER THE LAW"?
You are not arguing with me, I am laughing at you and your friends when they start sing the same old SDA hymn "SABBATH KEEPING will save your ass", NO IT WON'T. You are in conflict with God and His Word. Simple as that.
When you want to debate on a certain subject, at least collect ALL or as much as possible scriptures relating to the subject before playing that broken SDA record again.
@@ChrisTian-tz3eq they were real sabbath keepers. Nice try though.
Mark Finley has been preaching the truth. Jesus our example observed the Sabbath himself. Sunday keeping is nowhere found in the bible. Sorry. I just can't buy your opinion.
Yet you buy that Satan held a diabolical council meeting in outer space to conspire against Adventists? Let's see your scripture for this. Because that's what Mark was preaching.
You clearly didn't listen through as, yes, scripture does affirm the new creation memorial of the first day by virtue of it being the day God in redemption entered His rest, just like in the old creation he entered on the seventh day.
@@answeringadventismthe man clearly said in his imagination and you keep repeating it like he said this actually happened.
It’s just like if I said Satan is planning to ruin marriages and would prefer people cohabitate in common law relationships, it doesn’t take a far leap of the imagination to imagine that Saran will do something that is counterfeit to God’s…..
Now as I’ve said to you before you talk about EGW way more than any SDA I know or as much…
Stop putting words in Mark Finley’s mouth, he’s perfectly able to speak for himself and he’s not afraid to quote Sis White when he thinks it’s appropriate.
Myles this was a brilliant presentation, thank you I have learnt about the new creation and you expositated Hebrews 4 brilliant thank you
... The whole point of Hebrews 4, Is that they ( the Israelites ) DIDN'T KEEP/ "ENTER INTO" the "REST" ( the Sabbath of YHWH God ), but defiled it in their "Unbelief", while they were in the wilderness... and therefore, as a result, YAH would NOT let that generation "enter into" the "Promised-land-rest", led by Joshua, in which God had "saved them" out of Egypt for .. ( further expounded upon by David in Psalms 95! .. And even Ezekiel 20! ) ... in which, is a warning FOR US, NOT to follow in their "Same Example" of "Unbelief"..
Here's The Example: Ezekiel 20 : 12 - 16...
12 ) "Moreover also I gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I Am YHWH that sanctify them.
13 ) But the house of Israel Rebelled Against Me In The Wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and My Sabbaths they Greatly Defiled: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.
14 ) But I wrought for My Name's Sake, that it should not be defiled before the heathen, in whose sight I brought them out.
15 ) Yet also I lifted up My Hand unto them In The Wilderness, That I Would NOT Bring Them Into The Land Which I Had Given Them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands;
16 ) *BECAUSE* they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but Defiled My Sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols."
... And now, back to Hebrews 4...
8 )"For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day." ( *meaning: David would have never had to have written Psalms 95 : 7 - 11, about "today", in that context. ( Read the context ), if they had been allowed to enter in the Promised-land with Joshua.
( See: Numbers 14 : 26 - 38, Joshua 1 )
9 ) There Remains Therefore A Sabbath-rest To The People Of God.
10 ) For he that is Entered Into His Rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID FROM HIS. ( see Genesis 2 : 1 - 3 )
11 ) Let us labour therefore To Enter Into THAT REST, lest any man fall after the SAME EXAMPLE of UNBELIEF.
(Just as in the Same Example from them in the wilderness... It was "unbelief" that consistently caused them to Defile/& NOT Enter Into YHWH'S Sabbaths, among other things, then... And Likewise, it's the same "Unbelief" that causes "His People" that "He's Saved" out of the Bondage ( Egypt ) of this world, Not to Enter Into His Sabbath-rest now, even to this day in 2023! ( Because if ya don't "believe" it, then you obviously aren't gonna "enter in" & keep it... as neither the Israelites did, while they were in the wilderness... For "we" have a "Promised-land-rest" that we hope to "enter into" too, in the "7th Millenial Day"! ( Revelation 20 : 4 - 6 )
Acts 17 : 30
"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
( And YHWH'S Appointed Times Have NOT Changed )
( Matt. 5 : 17 - 19 ... Daniel 7 : 25 )
(Praying "Psalms 95 : 6 - 8", over you right now as well... in Messiah Yeshua's Name, Amen.)
@ChrisTian-tz3eq
8 - 25 - 24
The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S, praying and worshipping are interchangeable
1st Thessalonians 5 : 16 - 18
Are you going to suggest that ALL so called SHABBAT keepers should NOT WORSHIP on SUNDAY'S or SEVEN days out of the WEEK?
SIMPLE Yes.....or......no
On the Sabbath
"" My Father WORKETH hitherto and I WORK.......""
John 5 : 16
On the Sabbath
"" For this reason the
( Sabbath keepers ) tried all the more to take his life, because he NOT ONLY BROKE the Sabbath but he also called God his own Father, making himself EQUAL with GOD"
John 5 : 18
Do you DENY that Jesus = YESHUA ACCEPTED WORSHIP as the
MOST HIGH GOD ?
SIMPLE Yes.....or.......no
Do you DENY that Jesus = YESHUA AROSE on the FIRST day of the WEEK on a SUNDAY under Jewish CALENDAR ?
SIMPLE Yes.....or.......no
BIBLICAL GOSPEL
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ = YESHUA
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
8 - 25 - 24
Jesus = GOD = YESHUA in the flesh ACCEPTED WORSHIP as the MOST HIGH GOD.....
This teaching has opened up so many things about the work of Christ to me. God bless you!!
This study blew my mind, thanks Myles for quoting the Church fathers - also confirming Sunday worship started long before Constantine - SDA leaders need to do their research and stop lying about God's people
Yes, the apostasy within the Church began long before Constantine and Pope Sylvester!!
(Matt. 24 : 11 ... Acts 20 : 29 - 31 ... 2 Thessalonians 2 ... 2 Peter 3 : 15 - 17 ... Jude 4 ... Revelation 2 )
It just didn't become "Official Church Dogma" until the 4th Century AD onward!
@ChrisTian-tz3eq but you conveniently don't see the early church in the Bible worshiped on Sunday, they collected the tithe on Sunday, they not only worshiped in the Bible on the first day of the week had communion as well.
And you conveniently didn't say anything of the faults teachings of EGW. come on we are not in the 1970s any longer. We have the internet to fact check faults teachings of the SDA and other church's.
Go peddle your conspiracy theories to someone else.
@@speakeasyarchives8764 ... True, the early church in the bible met on the "first day" of the week at the "appointed times" for First Fruits of Barley/ Christ's resurrection ( Lev 23 : 4 - 14 / 1 Cor 15 : 20 - 23 ) and for Pentecost
( Lev. 23 : 15 - 22/ Acts 2 : 1.. Acts 20 : 16 .. 1 Cor. 16 : 8 )...
But these are "yearly" Feasts of YHWH, Not weekly!
The Early Apostolic Church still gathered together for holy convocations in the synagogues upon the Sabbath until the apostasy gradually began creeping in, and persecution from the unbelieving Jews & unbelieving pagans, and later, even by the half-converted Christians, within the Roman Empire.
( Matt 24 : 20 .. Acts 13 : 42 - 44 .. Acts 15 : 21 .. Acts 16 : 13 .. Acts 17 : 2.. Acts 18 : 4 .. Heb. 4 )
And Historically, according to The Catholic Church; They even admit that "Saint Polycarp" of Smyrna in the 2nd Century AD, still kept Shabbat, and also commemorated the "Feast Of Passover"/Pascha, at the "appointed time", according to the scriptures, ( Lev 23 : 4 ) in honor of Christ ( 1 Cor. 5 : 7 - 8 )... and refused to keep "Easter Sunday" when the Bishop of Rome tried to coerce it upon him and others... *because* it was Never a "church custom" passed down, and given to him personally, by the Apostle John himself!
( Go check it out! ) Peace & God bless in your studies...
You’re happy to hear from church fathers instead of God and the Holy scriptures. Myles continues to misconstrue what the Adventist Church teaches, almost leading all his listeners in a trance. Most of the arguments Myles put forward are just historical data and man made traditions vs what God commands us to do. He states that we were given a new command from Jesus,
(John 13:34-35 Esv
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” )
if this is the case, then we don’t even have to worship God, according to the first of the 10 commandments.
Why did Paul worship on the 7th day Sabbath
Why did Jesus worship on the seventh Sabbath
Regardless of what Myles or anyone will teach, they are no scriptures or commands given to worship corporately on Sunday. That is a man made doctrine.
Matthew 5:17-20
King James Version
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
@Notyelfox if you're so knowledgeable, address your concerns to myles directly. He is more knowledgeable of the SDA than you are.
In fact, all the big SDA guys will not debate him. They will be shredded if they do.
Many thanks for this exposition. I haven't heard anything so thorough.
Keeping the Sabbath day , is once per week , but worshipping God , is every day and is just the life of a Christian.
Keeping the Sabbath isn't commanded in the New testament.
@@bobbyadkins6983 wow so you chosing to obey all this other commandments but not the sabbath commandment
@user-up1qd7ic8x
8 - 27 - 24
So in other words merely going to an SDA church on Saturday's and telling like minded people
"" Happy Sabbath ! "" while simultaneously CHEERLEADING POM POMS for William Miller by default means you are NOW all of a sudden NOW part of the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church which KEEPS and OBEYS ALL the LAW of ALL the Commandments of God
What about the other NINE Commandments ?
Have you ever sinned just ONCE knowingly or unknowingly ?
SIMPLE Yes.....or......no
@user-up1qd7ic8x
8 - 27 - 24
How does one OBEY and KEEP ALL the LAW of ALL the Commandments of God ?
Besides going to an SDA church on Saturday's and telling like minded people "" Happy Sabbath ! ""
Besides the writings of
Ellen G White being promoted by
Doug Bachelor in his sermons
Besides CHEERLEADING POM POMS for William Miller
Amen God is Good thanks for sharing free God's word God bless you all
You know what Myles, you are so close yet, miles away.This is what you lack , inspiration.
😂😂😂
Right, you can’t actually deal with anything that’s said. Just standard SDA ad hom. Sad.
@@juligraham7319
Nope. No “Sunday law” coming, lol 😝 the world could care less which days Christians choose to worship. And we do have a choice. Old Covenant was obliterated with the destruction of Jerusalem and her temple in 70AD. God bless you ❤
EGW was so inspired she didn't need the Bible 😂😂
SDAs should worship Groundhog Day. They keep regurgitating the same EGW fiction.
There is NO scripture to back up Sunday sabbath. It is blasphemy of the Sabbath. (Ezekiel 20)
You can decide not to be an SDA anymore, and continue to keep the Lord's commandments.
It is so sad to see someone leave SDA, and profane the Sabbath, as well. When in doubt, are we not to do as Christ did? Are we not to act as Christ in ALL that we do? Well, what day did Christ (not to mention the disciples) go to synagogue? Saturday. We see this over and over throughout Christ' life, and His ministry. It makes me sick to hear a Christian suggest that we should NOT do as Christ did. Nor should we walk according to the ways and practices of our Savior! What else do you think we should do differently, than Christ did? Should we lie, cheat, steal? Maybe have some other gods over Him?
To me, the most unfortunate thing, is that there are few non-denominational churches, that practice Sabbath keeping.
I have been a Sabbath keeper most of my adult life, and just finally tried out the SDA church a few weeks ago. I could no longer attend congregations of Christians who profane the Lords' Sabbath. However, I found that SDA is a law-keeping, cult like organization.
Such a shame that Sabbath keepers, such as my family, cannot find a single non-denom church to attend, that keeps the Lords' commandments.
The sabbath was for the Israelites to set them apart from others. It was the first covenant being the 10 commandments for the Israelites. The second covenant, which is talked about MANY times in the New Testament, dismisses the old covenant and its laws. Paul even writes multiple times that those who keep the sabbatu and those who don't should NOT judge each other. Each to their own. The sabbath was a shadow of things to come. Read Col 2:16-17. In fact, read the entire book. You are law keeping and trying to fulfil the requirements of the old, first covenant, which is now obsolete. Read Hebrews 8:13.
@@DavidBrown-yy2yf don't tell me what I'm doing ...!
You know my heart?
The fourth commandment says nothing about picking grains.
It says to remember and keep the Sabbath holy. It's very simple. It has nothing to do with law keeping. It has to do with worship and rest.
Do you keep the law of the rest of the other commandments? Or, since Christ came, would that mean that you have another God before God?
What about stealing lying and adultery? How about murder? So I guess you're a pro-abortion person, then? To each their own, right? "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. " Maybe you should read Aleister Crowley's books. You'd probably be a good Occultist.
Just because I'm told not to judge other people Sabbath keeping in the new testament, doesn't mean that I myself shouldn't obey the Sabbath and the Lord's ten commandments. Not judging other people's sabbaths, means not telling them not to pick grains. like the Pharisees did. It doesn't mean go ahead and profane Sabbath by switching it to another day of the week. It's about what people do on the Sabbath day, that we shouldn't judge them for.
Excellent work, Myles! Thank you!! 👏👏👏
The sabbath was made for man, not man for sabbath. God gave us a day of rest. Saturday is the day. I don’t think it’s a salvational issue but it’s in the Ten Commandments to remember the sabbath day and keep it holy, so it must be important.
I always thought people worship on Sunday out of reverence for Christ who rose that day, but He rested on Saturday…
Saturday was the day of rest in the old creation. We aren’t in the old creation anymore, but the new (2 Corinthians 5:17), which is what the gist of this presentation was about.
Seventh day sabbatarians don’t understand the new creation which is the crux of the issue.
Christian’s worship on the first day because it’s the new creation sabbath (Hebrews 4:1-11).
answeringadventism.com/does-hebrews-4-support-the-seventh-day-sabbath/
I am only someone that is exhausted of the devils lies and from what I have learned I am sharing. You seem to be going in the right direction a more spiritually discerning direction.
Seducing spirits like to twist the truth and manifest false signs. I would stick with scripture only "sola scriptura" to define your steps. The early church fathers used in this presentation could be used to either show how early the church became corrupted or how long the truth stood, but not show that their teachings need to be heard putting them in the same category as the false prophet HG White. These men are the ones that formed the foundation of the Catholic Church, a well known false Christian church. I came out of her a while back. This false church started to form as soon as the apostles vanished and were in full force aprox between 500 and 1500 AD "the dark ages".
All the example of the apostles in scripture obeyed the commandments just as Jesus Christ taught (Acts 15.20 - 21). They always relied on the old testament and if there was a change they taught the change because God is not the author of confusion. They taught these critical changes: (there might be more, I am still learning)
1. Circumcision is of the heart and not of the flesh, thus not required. Romans 2:29 "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart"
2. Jesus Christ is our High Priest, nailing all the law requirement dealing with animal sacrifices, levites, tabernacle, ordinances, punishments, etc... We have a spiritual rest in Christ but not the final rest. There still remains a rest onto his people. not all prophecy has been fulfilled.
Matthew 5:18
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 19:17
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
1 John 5:1-3
1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
All scripture and principles and character of God points to keeping the Jewish Sabbath. vs the one lonely misunderstood verse in Revelation. There is no scripture for disobeying the ten commandments. Sola scriptura is the only way to help avoid but not complete eliminate confusion caused by seducing spirits. We also need the spiritual discernment. Logic alone doesn't work.
@@answeringadventism this is an outright lie.
@@thewayoftruth3418POV: It is NOT the Jewish Sabbath. The Holy Writ doesn't call it that way, but apostates do.
Do you still keep Leviticus 15.20?
God bless u I'm crying tears of joy i knew this sda family of beautiful people were being mislead
Question for SDAs, if sin is transgression of the law, please give chapter and verse where going to church on Sunday is forbidden?
The parrots weren't programmed to answer question, all what they are capable of is to sing the "You must keep the sabbath" song
Who told you going to church on Sunday is a sin? As an SDA I have preached in a Protestant church on Sunday. Nobody who knows Adventist theology says that. Most of what I see on this web site and others like it is totally off scripturally. What s interesting to me when you challenge anyone here with proof they seem to disappear!
@@BenBen-bf7wg
"Who told you going to church on Sunday is a sin?"
WOW!!
And you want to tell us that you have NEVER came across the expression that "Sunday keepers are on their way to hell, Are from Babylon, followers of Rome, received the mark of the beast and and -
Who do you actually tried to bluff here, let's start with that?
@@BenBen-bf7wg
" What s interesting to me when you challenge anyone here with proof they seem to disappear!"
Yeah, seems that you have also picked that option, how ironic?
@@nonconformist4802 Well show me where I did that? You turn!
It took you two and a half hours to weasel out of the fourth commandment? That isn't using scripture to set doctrine that is an attempt to lawyer your way out of the fourth commandment. People in the end days Jesus tells us what happens to those who take the mark of the beast....and directly after he tells us WHO DOESNT TAKE IT.... Revelation 14:12 folks....now you can rest your salvation on a youtubers tradition of men or you can read the Bible....if this young man was telling you scriptural truth it would have taken very little time to prove his point SCRIPTURALLY....God isn't the author of confusion....
Yeah, believe it or not, sometimes scrioture isn’t always understood in remedial level sound bites and one has to have an attention span of more than 5 seconds to study the Bible. I know you guys like everything in spiritual milk, but that isn’t how the scriptures operate. Equating that to God not being the author of confusion, which is about the spiritual gifts contextually not people talking for long periods, is rather remedial on your part.
“Lawyer out of the 4th commandment” aka “you disagree with our false understanding of the 4th commandment so therefore you don’t think it’s valid and want to weasel out of it.”
I’m a sabbatarian, Sherlock. Listen again. This is the problem, you guys think you have a monopoly on the sabbath and anyone who disagrees with you is against the fourth commandment. Embarrassing.
Traditions of men? Hebrews 4:1-11 obliterates your guys position. Come onto the platform and discuss it and let’s see who is and isn’t understanding scripture.
@@answeringadventism 2 Peter 3:16, Paul kept the Torah....argued to his death that he kept it, look man, I am also a former third generation Adventist...went to academy even....there are plenty of reasons that leave the Adventist church but teaching people that the 7th day Sabbath is not relevant isn't one of em...
All of you who haven’t watched the video but still try to defend your sabbath in the comments, let us let you know that from your comments we KNOW you haven’t watched the video and you sound ridiculous!
This was deep! Very important presentation!
Satan's issue is not about the Sabbath, his issue is that people worship God. The day people worship him is irrelevant but them SDA's are so paranoid about the Sabbath. Them causing friction with other denominations is what's pleasing Satan, he loves it because that in itself could turn away people from God.
Spot on, and while I believe in the seventh-day Sabbath, this is one of my biggest hang-ups with Adventism.
''The day people worship him is irrelevant but them SDA's are so paranoid about the Sabbath. ''
It's part of the Ten Commandments. That should be of concern to all Christians. I'm going to suggest there's a good reason to be cautious in breaking one of the Ten Commandments, especially when we have no text telling us Sunday is sacred or blessed and the penalty for breaking the law is death.
''Satan's issue is not about the Sabbath, his issue is that people worship God.''
Who told you these were separate issues? Isn't obedience the highest form of worship? Or does God reward disobedience in your Christian view? Satan hates the Sabbath because it POINTS TO THE ONE WHO DESERVES WORSHIP, THE CREATOR GOD, which Satan is not. It literally gives God's name, His title and His territory. Exodus 20:8-11
How do you explain? Here is the patient of the saints those who keep the commitments of God and the testimony of Jesus.
If it's the ten, then the fourth, the Sabbath is definitely to be upheld.
Hello. John was writing to the current 7 churches who were about to head into the early age of persecution. Too much to write but: the destroyer = Titus. That great city = Jerusalem. 5 months of trouble = Rome surrounded Jerusalem about 5 months. Jerusalem was also compared to a harlot many times in Old Testament. They rejected Christ their husband. Instead of looking at revelation in future tense look at it first in its current age written to Jewish Christian’s. It’s a lot and I’m still researching it but it’s fascinating. Like a puzzle. Could I be wrong? Sure 😊
My advise to anyone reading my comment, is that study the scriptures on your own and pray that God reveals the truth to you. God says that if you seek me with all your heart you will find me.
Good job!!❤ love it
Great stream Myles! Thank you for all the hard work put into these presentations. God bless you.
We Christians worship God everyday..but we gather on Sunday for collective worship and encourage each other and God receives our sacrifices of worship to Him whether we do it on Monday or Surtaday or Sunday and God blesses us.
''but we gather on Sunday for collective worship and encourage each other and God receives our sacrifices of worship to Him ''
Really. I go to church on the 7th day, Sabbath because I have a commandment to do so. What commandment are you following in scripture that states Sunday is sacred or a new sabbath? I'm curious.
@@danielcristancho3524what commandment tells you to congregate with others on Saturday?
@@_thevinylflower The Sabbath was always a holy convocation in scripture. It was both Christ's and Paul's custom to go to synagogue on the 7th day. If the 7th day is holy and blessed and God is a social Being, I see no reason not to meet. Where in the bible does it tell you Sunday is a holy/sacred day?
This was absolutely mind blowing amazing. Thank You for all the time, research and clarity that went into this. You are doing powerful work. May God continue to bless you and the Holy Spirit guide you in Christ Jesus Our Lord and Savior’s Holy Name. 🙏🏻
Thanks so much. May Christ be glorified and He lead us into all truth, despite the costs.
research?
Everyone knows deep down in their hearts that Sunday worship is not biblical and is tradition. The commandment is to come together on Sabbath and it's for everyone, not just Jews. People won't listen though because Sunday is convenient for their lifestyle🤷🏽.
@@rroller124
8 - 25 - 24
Thank you for confirming that
DEEP DOWN in the HEARTS of
Seventh day Adventists DO NOT and SHOULD NOT WORSHIP
Jesus = GOD = YESHUA SEVEN days out of the WEEK
@@porfiriojohn5276 hello. I agree that we are to worship everyday. I also believe that Jesus knew what he was doing when the gave mankind the Sabbath. We are not to do any servile work on the Sabbath. That's a different kind of worship. It's preparing us for the kingdom to deepen our worship. Most don't agree and that's fine. To each it's own. No love lost. May the Lord have mercy on us all🙏🏽
@rroller124
8 - 25 - 24
Oh.....so you DO agree that ALL
Seventh day Adventists SHOLD WORSHIP on SUNDAY'S
Make up your mind
On the Sabbath
"" My Father WORKETH hitherto and I WORK........""
John 5 : 16
On the Sabbath
"" For this reason the
( Sabbath keepers ) tried all the more to take his life, because he NOT ONLY BROKE the Sabbath but he also called God his own Father, making himself EQUAL with GOD"
John 5 : 18
The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S, praying and worshipping are interchangeable
1st Thessalonians 5 : 16 - 18
Thank you for confirming that Seventh day Adventists NOW all of a sudden could and should WORSHIP
Jesus = GOD = YESHUA SEVEN days out of the WEEK , INCLUDING on SUNDAY'S
@rroller124
8 - 25 - 24
FIRST ( YOU SAID ) EVERYONE knows DEEP DOWN in their hearts that SUNDAY WORSHIP is NOT Biblical
NOW all of a sudden it's perfectly fine for Adventists to WORSHIP SEVEN days out of the WEEK which includes SUNDAY WORSHIP
Make up your mind
"" A double minded man is unstable in all his ways ""
James 1 : 8
@@porfiriojohn5276 just as I thought. You didn't pay attention to anything I wrote. Oh wait, only what you wanted to pay attention to. This tells me all you want to do is bash. It's really sad
Well put together Myles. SDA theology is way out of order. SDA ministers study EG White writings more than the Bible. Those that have put the Bible first are the ones that have left the organisation. Congratulations Myles.
@hansbylewos2144 Spot on. I left Adventism because I wanted to put the Bible first, unencumbered by the interpretation of EGW or any other single person.
SDA ministers study EG White writings more than the Bible. ''
It's true, they do study the writings of EG White, but we don't evangelize using the writings of Ellen White. For that, we only use the bible, something no Sunday apologist can say. People come to understand the 7th day is the Sabbath from scripture alone. You, on the other hand, are always forced to use tradition or the writings of the so-called Church Fathers.
There is a biblical evidence that the seventh day is saturday.
_Mathew 28:1-2
_Luke 24:1
Thanks for coming out and supporting the team.
That imagination is product of another imagination of
Thomas Tillam-the seventh day sabbath-Sought out and celebrated.
He invented that sunday mark of the beast and sabbath seal of god. In 17th century. That is the source of egw imatination and sda beliefs.
Jesus was always saying that HE NEVER talk FROM Himself because He is talking ONLY the word of His Father which in John 17:17 He called as being THE TRUTH which is THE LAW(Psalm 119:142) about God’s characters AS Father revealed inside the Sanctuary so that we will be sanctuaries(1Cor 6:19 1Cor 3:16) knowing Jesus as Sanctuary(John 2:21 Colos 2:2,3).
And this is why in verses like John 6:44,45 Jesus make clearly that that at first we must be attracted by the TEACHING OF GOD His Father who beginning with Exodus 24:12 have more than 600 Laws of the Sanctuary about Jesus as Sanctuary(John 2:21 Colos 2:2,3 Colos 1:26,27) so that we will be sanctuaries(1Cor 6:19 1Cor 3:16 2Thes 2:3,4) having in Rev 14:1 inside us the same characters of love revealed in all Laws of the Sanctuary which was revealed in Jesus being Sanctuary about the same 3 principles of the Sanctuary.
Empty sanctuaries cannot win the final battle in 2Thes 2:3,4 Rev 12:17 Rev 13:15 Rev 16:16 to end successfully the armageddon started in heaven against Sanctuary(Ezekiel 28:18 2Peter 2:4 Rev 12:7 etc).
And this is why verses like John 6:44,45 make as IMPOSSIBLE to come to Christ WITHOUT being at first TAUGHT by His Father to have in Galatians 3:24 Father’s TEACHING about Sanctuary given beginning with Exodus 24:12 to know all characters of love of His Father REVEALED by His Son in John 17:6,26 being EXPLAINED in Luke 24:27,44 to make HEART BURN(Luke 24:32) for you in Rev 3:15,16 having in Rev 14:1 the characters of love of God AS being Father (revealed inside His Sanctuary about Christ IN YOU(Colos 1:27 Hebrews 11:1) being sealed now in Rev 7:1-8 for Rev 14:6-12 Rev 18:1-7 to call the world to come out from sins.
Myles, thank you for another excellent presentation. I have already listened to the entire video 3 times and will continue to listen again to finish collecting notes & quotes for my study. One point that really angered me was in the first clip Mark Finley starts out speaking from his "imagination" and then proceeds to teach from that "imagination" as if it what he said were all facts!! It makes me want to scream! And in top of that, Mark Finley can't even be transparent to state that the scene he described came from the "imagination" of Ellen White!
But again thank you for such a deep & through coverage. I learned so much!!
Maybe you can help me out. I am an SDA and I recently went back to the first-century church expecting to find support for the 7th day sabbath. I was extremely surprised when I found out that as far as I can tell it just wasn't there. I then looked into how the Adventists address these documents of the early church, and I found an article by Frank Hardy on the topic of the Didache but found it lacking. I think that article would be sufficient if I was only looking to confirm my bias, however. Do you have any more resources you can provide for me to understand this idea of the 8th-day sabbath?
Yes. Get Nicholas Bownd’s “The True Doctrine of the Sabbath.”
It is a 16th century work and is rigorous (just a heads up). But it is arguably the best book on the subject, in my opinion.
@@answeringadventism Thank you I just ordered it! I know that it's a position you disagree with but do you also know of the best resource in defense of the 7th day sabbath.
@@Rockthedicethe bible
Great video
Have you read the book of Daniel? Your tone of mocking, worthy of Mocking? Daniel 7:25 says Antichrist would seek to change times and Law, study the full book of Daniel forget "proof texts" take the entire book.
I see you are also quoting Acts, why to you quote Acts where the Gentile as Paul for Sabbath meetings 85 times the Sabbath is referenced by both Jews and gentiles in the new testement.
The fact is the bible commands the 7th day for which the entire bible has not one word in favour for the 1st day or Sunday
You guys cite Paul at the synagogue where he was doing evangelism and claim he was keeping the seventh day sabbath. You think Paul was worshiping Jesus with Jews that rejected the Messiah? And that that was a church service? The Jews in the synagogue were not Christians! That wasn’t the Church gathering.
And notice you didn’t address anything that was said you just parroted the SDA script.
Maybe refrain from trying to tell us what the Bible does and doesn’t say. If you confuse something that basic it makes sense why you can’t see that the first day is all throughout scripture and was foreshadowed in the Old Testament.
These SDA leaders are laughable😅
''SDA leaders are laughable''
Are you sure? The Seventh day Adventist church is the only Protestant church to be truly worldwide. WE are in almost every nation in the world, 216 nations and growing. God's church is a WORLD CHURCH. The Baptists and the Methodists are bigger but they are not a true world church. The only other church that is a true world wide church is the Papacy. So which one is God's true church? That's easy. The one that adheres to ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS in Exodus 20. The Roman church not only doesn't adhere to ALL TEN commandments, but they also had the audacity to remove the 2nd commandment and change the 4th commandment while splitting up the 10th. The blasphemy of the Roman church is off the charts.
No matter how much you will search in the Bible for the word COVENANT (referring to the OLD covenant) you will ONLY find verses saying about things (such as the ark OF THE Covenant, the tablets OF THE ten commandments, the words written on the two stone tablets are call the words OF THE covenant, the blood of animals or the blood of Jesus are called the blood OF THE covenant) etc…
ALL these are NOT the covenant but they are only OF THE the covenant given in Exodus 31:16 the seventh day Sabbath as being the only perpetual covenant:
Exodus 31:16 The children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, celebrating it, they and their descendants AS everlasting covenant.
Hebrews 8:13 In that He saith, A NEW covenant, He hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old IS READY TO vanish away.
Hebrews 8:13 makes it clear that the OLD covenant (Exodus 31:16) is still active (which means that is still not abolished).
But the OLD covenant (the seventh day Sabbath given in Exodus 31:16 WHEN will be forever abolished if Hebrews 8:13 make it clear that is still active and Isaiah 66:23 makes it clear that the seventh day Sabbath WILL CONTINUE forever.
Let’s see:
We see Exodus 31:16 saying that the seventh day Sabbath was given AS covenant and seeing Hebrews 8:13 making it clear that the old covenant is still active it is clear to us that being given in Exodus 31:16 AS a covenant it will no longer be AS covenant when we already be in heaven (Isaiah 66:23) because being in heaven there can be NO more covenant (ie convention, condition of salvation).
As is the marriage covenant, making it clear that only by being loyal will you be together forever.
Don't be fooled by the teachers who twist everything to put into your head that EVERYTHING in the Old Testament is the OLD covenant.
But no matter how much they will search in the Old Testament they will ONLY find verses about things OF THE covenant given in Exodus 31:16 and nothing else as covenant to be mentioned also in Hebrews 8:13 and to give the name of the ark OF His covenant in Rev 11:19(Hebr 9:4) made as highly visible in Rev 11:19 to fulfill also Matthew 24:30 about HIS SIGN(Exodus 31:13,17 Ezekiel 20:12,20) able to make the whole world to MOURN in Matthew 24:30 seeing HIS SIGN.
Cannot find any other verse in the Bible to explain Matthew 24:30(Rev 11:19).
SUNday Sun’s day worshippers are going astray by not being able to see that the whole creation and the whole Bible was given FOR the Sabbath.
But it will take me a long time to show you the Bible saying about this main purpose of creation and salvation.
I pray there is a chance that myles can debate some of these big SDA teachers.
And he going to lose big time... because he twists historical facts like a magician use misdirection and slide of hand( mind)...and people who have no knowledge, about history getting hooked up...How the serpent deceive Adam and Eve...." Did God say..."
Question:
Seventh-day Adventists insist that the Catholic Church has no scriptural warrant for changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Is this true?
Answer:
Not by a long shot. This question has been addressed by Catholic Answers Magazine before, but perhaps I, as a convert to the Catholic Church from Seventh-day Adventism, can offer a fresh perspective on the matter.
While it is true that there is no New Testament record of a voice from the heavens instructing the infant Church, “Thou shalt change the day of thy worship and rest from Saturday to Sunday,” Adventists are mistaken in their belief that there is no New Testament evidence that supports such a change by the Catholic Church. Quite apart from the biblical proof of the apostolic Church’s authority to teach in God’s name (Mt 16:18-19, 18:17-18, Lk 10:16) and of God’s guarantee that this teaching would never fall into error (Mt 28:19-20, Lk 22:32, Jn 16:13), there is an impressive amount of evidence from Scripture that Christ and the apostles changed their day of corporate worship from Saturday to Sunday.
The Old Testament Sabbath commandment contains two elements. The primary element, and the one that binds Christians as it does Jews, is the moral obligation to set aside adequate time for the purpose of divine worship. This could never be abrogated, as it is rooted in the natural law.
The secondary element was ceremonial and therefore could be abolished-and was abolished by Jesus’ death on the cross (Col 2:12-17). This secondary, ceremonial element was that the particular day chosen to meet the moral obligation of the law was Saturday, so that the Jews would remember and memorialize the creation of the earth.
Jesus, during his earthly ministry, began to prepare the way for changing Sabbath worship from “the letter of the law” to “the spirit of the law.” Remember that one of his greatest arguments with the Pharisees concerned Sabbath worship. He constantly rebuked them for placing the rigid observance of mere details above the spirit of setting aside a day to rest from unnecessary servile work and to worship God. By this Jesus made it clear that the Sabbath may be changed to meet the needs of man. By effecting these changes as “the Son of Man,” Jesus used his human authority to show us that he is “Lord even of the Sabbath” (Mk 2:28).
As Frs. Rumble and Carty point out in Radio Replies, special honor is shown to Sunday throughout the New Testament. Christ rose from the dead on Sunday, and he first appeared to his disciples that Easter Sunday evening (Jn 20:19). One week later-and from the context we can see that this meant the following Sunday-Jesus appeared to them again when Thomas was present (John 20:26). Luke records that Sunday was observed by the Christian community from the very beginning: “On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread” (Acts 20:7). To “break bread” refers to the celebration of the Eucharist (Mt 26:26, Mk 14:22). Paul ordered the Corinthians to gather their offertory collections on Sunday (1 Cor 16:2); that set the scriptural precedent we follow today of gathering our offerings on Sunday during Mass. John records in Rev. 1:10 that he was granted a vision of heaven’s own worship while he was at worship (“caught up in spirit”) on “the Lord’s day.” John’s disciple Ignatius of Antioch tells us in his Letter to the Magnesians that “the Lord’s day” is not the ancient Sabbath; therefore, “the Lord’s day” must refer to Sunday. (See This Rock, September 1994, “The Fathers Know Best.”)
Loved the insight on the Sunday worship 👍🏾 thanks I really needed this.
True faith in Christ Jesus can not be overthrown by Satan and false prophets.
So clear so concise
How rude! 😳 SDAs have a lot of nerve running around crying "Everyone hates us!" after revealing this 👈🧐
As a Seventh Day Christian,I am happy to obey,and follow God's Commandments than to follow man's tradition.
Tell me whom was the sabbath command given to?
ISRAEL.
R U ISREALITE?
@@charnelallan7159
Jesus clearly declared that the Sabbath
was made for man! Not only the Jews are men!
The fourth Commandment instructed
us to "REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY.! SIX DAYS SHALL THOU LABOUR AND DO ALL THY WORK, BUT THE SDVENTH DAY
IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY
GOD. IN IT THOU SHALL NOT DO ANY WORK,THOU NOR THY SON,NOR THY DAUGHTER, THY MANSERVANT,NOR
THY MANSERVANT,NOR THY CATTLE,NOR THY STRANGER THAT IS WITHIN THY GATES.
FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH,THE SEA AND
ALL THAT IN THEM IS,AND RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY,THEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND HALLOWED IT."
@@applerose5811 I have absolutely no issues with persons wanting to keep the 7th day sabbath. Believing it's the seal of God means ur have made it a salvation issue.
The phrase the sabbath was made for man needs to be read in its actual context.
If ur interpretation of MARK 2 27 is correct.
Answer me the following
1. Why r there no biblical accounts of any sabbath command given prior to the nation of Israel?
Absolutely no accounts of anyone keeping or profaining the sabbath prior to israel?
2. The gentiles were not given the mosaic law.Which contained the sabbath command. B3fore u tell me the mosaic law is the ceremonial laws. Read 1st kings 2 3 AND KEEP THE CHARGE OF THE LORD THY GOD TO WALK IN HIS WAYS TO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS AND HIS JUDGEMENT AND HIS TESTIMONIES AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE LAW OF MOSES.
3. Th3 text u cited was given as a covenant to ONLY TH3 NATION OF ISRAEL.
@@applerose5811 Mark 2, 27 proves that the sabbath is ceremonial not moral.
Moral laws r not conditional.
David ate the showbread which was unlawful but did not sin. Likewise the priests in the temple PROFANED the sabbath and and not sin because by law the priests had to perform animal sacrifice and food offerings in the temple on th3 sabbath which requires work.
The same goes for Circumcision which required work , carrying load on the sabbath. U read the pharisees accused the jews who picked grains on the sabbath because they were hungry. The needs r placed above sabbath keeping, moral laws r not conditional.
A thef who steals when he is hungry is still a thief. Because he took wat isn't his.
Moral laws r timeless nit just by association. If a moral law is moral it will be moral 7 days a week not just one particular day
Hello, SDA person! As an authentic Christian, I recognize that Jesus Christ is my Sabbath and my true High Priest. "For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well" (Hebrews 7:12). I am a New Covenant Christian. I worship God every day, but most especially, I worship Jesus on the Lord's Day-the First Day of the week -with my fellow believers.
Rome's Day is the first day of the week. Rome is merely baptized paganism.
It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
-Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.
Yes, great parroting and not dealing with a single thing presented.
Spam comments get people muted. You have spammed a number of videos with comments that clearly show you aren't listening but just coming to comment SDA talking points.
Please refrain or you'll be muted.
@@answeringadventism Threats of force, fear, intimidation, manipulation and/or deception are purely Satanic. Do as you will. You've already cut yourself off from the fountain of Truth!
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1 John 2:1-6 KJV
You got to be kidding! All he is doing is showing the truth that the Church of Rome has said for a long time. Why don't you show me from the Bible the sacredness of Sunday? There is no such thing. The Sabbat has it's foundation in Scripture, not tradition as sunday or as some are now saying we worship any day.@@answeringadventism
This message is so timely, for my meeting with a SDA Pastor tomorrow, thank you. This Channel is doing a very important job, keep it up.
How did the meeting with the pastor go?
Please share your experience with the pastor.
''This message is so timely''
You're so lucky. Tell me, how many texts did Myles give you clearly showing Sunday is blest and holy or a new Commandment? Share. I'm on the edge of my seat.
Having issues with the 7th day Adventist Church is 1 thing, but trying to change God's sabbath is a whole new crime
Matthew 24:20 But PRAY ye that your flight be NOT in the winter, neither on the sabbath DAY:
In Matthew 24:20 COMMANDING His disciples(Matt 24:1) Jesus was able to know that His disciples will have to pray for this one Sabbath on the next 40 years AFTER cross KNOWING that only on the next 40 years AFTER cross on the year 70 AD will come the Roman army to destroy Jerusalem and kill the Jews.
COMMANDING in Matthew 24:20 to pray for Sabbath Jesus was able to know that on the next 40 years AFTER cross also the first Christianity will be added in Matthew 24:20 to pray for this one Sabbath day.
It is clearly that in the first 40 years AFTER the cross, was gathered to the number of disciples also the first Christians to pray together, OBEYING Jesus in Matthew 24:20.
Your DIVINE Jesus were not COMMANDING in Matthew 24:20 to pray on the next 40 years AFTER cross for a Sabbath DAY which SUNday worshippers will abolish on the cross. You cannot insult your DIVINE Jesus seeing Him without knowledge about His prophecies.
And so is clearly that not only His disciples but also the first Christianity was SEVENTH day CHRISTians worshippers WAITING for the second coming of Jesus.
The word ADVENTIST is coming from the original word ADVENIO which is referring to CHRISTians WAITING for Jesus to come again.
IF you were OBEYING Jesus in Matthew 24:20 then you were one of the best SEVENTH Day Adventists praying together with His disciples and then praying together the first Christianity on the first 40 years AFTER cross for this one sabbath COMMANDED by Jesus in Matthew 24:20.
Carefully reading Matthew 24:3 we clearly see that in Matthew 24:20 WE are also COMMANDED to pray for this one Sabbath DAY which will take place in the time of OUR final tribulation mentioned in Matthew 24:7-10 Rev 13:15 Rev 12:17 Rev 16:14,16 etc.
Will you refuse to OBEY your DIVINE Jesus COMMANDING YOU in Matthew 24:20 to pray for this one sabbath DAY?.
Because I will have many other verses in the NEW Testament to see yourself being COMMANDED to sanctify the SEVENTH day Sabbath.
You can twist and turn the Scriptures,and say all what you want to
say, but God has given us Clear and
Specific instructions, about the fourth Commandment. The fourth Commandment is clearly stated,Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy.Six Days shall thou labour and do all thy work."
Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man, not only the Jews are men!
God does not change. He said that
He WIll not alter the things that is gone
out of His mouth.
When Sabbath is mentioned, Saturday automatically comes to one's mind. However Sabbath and Saturday are two different things.
Sabbath is an activity. Sabbath is a Hebrew word which comes from the root word shabbath meaning ' to desist from toil or cease from labour/hard work '.
Thus, six days thou shalt labour and do all thy work . But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.' Deut. 5: 13,14.
Notice it says, Sabbath not Saturday.
Saturday is a latin word, not Hebrew or Greek. Bear in mind that the scriptures were written either in Hebrew or Greek.
The name Saturday it's name from Saturn's Day. The day the pagan Rome used to worship the planet Saturn. Thus Saturday ( Satur(n)day.)
So if I worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob on Sunday, does it mean that I worship the sun, or if you worship on Saturday, then you worship Saturn. Whether we worship on Saturday or Sunday, we worship the Lord. After all we are all God's and we live for Him. Romans 14: 4-8. Be blessed.
@@matthiasduambe5895
God has given us a specific day that we all are to worship. In the Book of Genesis 2:1-2 It is clearly stated that
"On the Seventh Day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the Seventh Day from all His work,which He had made.
And God blessed the Seventh Day,and
Sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which He had
made"
Well you see God not only stated a specific day to Worship Him,but He also blessed and Sanctified it. We are to worship God every day to stay connected with Him!
The Sabbath Day is a special Day,
a Celebration of His Creative Works.
He has committed us to "Remember to
This Day Holy"
And He also said if love Me, keep My Commandments.
@@matthiasduambe5895
"Blessed are they that do His Commandments that they may have right to the Tree of Life,and may enter
through the gates into the City,"
Revelation 22:14
This is one of you best work ❤great job explaining you make a awesome teacher
This was fantastic! I'm going to have to listen to this again.
You better listen with your Bible and your understanding. So many listen to him and they don't realize this guy is way off.
@@BenBen-bf7wg maybe if EGW did that (just read the Bible) she wouldn't be writing about animal dung (as apostle Paul would put it)
@@Ronriko1 Nice try to deflect! Show me from the Bible.
@@BenBen-bf7wg Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things and count them but dung, that I may win Christ.
"To the law and to the testimony if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them. "
-Isaiah 8:20
What a contortionist of Holy Scripture . Sad INDEED. What people won't when they do not want to keep God's Law.
If Myles only understood Daniel and Revelation and REAL History. Never have i heard such a misrepresentation of Seventh-day Adventist Church. He convinces me the SDA CHURCH IS GOD'S REMNANT CHURCH.
That saddest part is that SO MANY OTHERS will follow this smoothe gospel . Sad . Something tells me, there's more that meets the eye here.
Myles, go to Jesus Christ directly. Don't play with your own and other unknowing souls like this.
Right, thanks for evidencing you didn't even watch. I must have the gift of prophecy because, as I plainly stated, people like you would show up and just regurgitate the script.
"Never have i heard such a misrepresentation of Seventh-day Adventist Church."
Which part? Where we referenced JN Andrews historical revisionism? Ellen White's fiction? EJ Waggoner twisting Dr. Phillip Schaff? Mark Finely parroting the pioneers and not even knowing what he's criticizing?
The irony.
@@answeringadventism
Even after he had died the disciples kept the Sabbath... it's unfortunate you say what you don't understand Luk 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
How will u explain this to your grandson that the Sabbath was a shadow 😂😂😂🤣
@@bigirwaraymond7171And how will you explain to yours that the first church was gathering on Sundays and that Bible says that? How will you explain that women met Jesus on that Sunday and when they saw Jesus they, let me quote the Bible, they WORSHIPPED Him. Explain to me how come they were allowed to worship Jesus on a Sunday? How come He didn’t stop them and tell them, don’t do that, wait till sabbath, don’t you know it’s Sunday today? Don’t you know that’s bad? How will you explain to your grandson that every time the church gathered in the new covenant they met on a Sunday, and every time Jesus showed up after the resurrection it was always on a Sunday????
And how will you explain commenting on a video that you haven’t even watched but just assume you know better??
@@life.after.adventism See: Acts 13 : 42 - 44
42 )"And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might Be Preached To Them The Next Sabbath.
43) Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 ) And The Next Sabbath Day Came Almost The Whole City Together to Hear The Word Of God."
Likewise to your question... If the "Lord's Day" was already established every Sunday, by Jesus and the apostles, after Christ's resurrection; Then why didn't Paul and Barnabas just tell the gentiles to come back again, the Next Day ( on the so-called "Lord's Day" ), to preach again to the assembly, instead of waiting for the "next sabbath day" to roll around??? ...
I hope u sda's realize that ur comments r public. Ur failure to refute bro Myles shows ur high level of indoctrination.
Tell what does the text in hebrews 4
AND GOD AGAIN SET A CERTAIN DAY MEAN?
Do you have a video of your testimony? If so could you please share the link !
Myles an amarture in rightly dividing the word of truth...there's no scripture that supports Sunday observance neither is there verse that supports trampling Sabbath underfoot...I will be glad if u bring one on the table ... Jesus kept it Luke 4:16 the disciples kept it Acts 13:42-4 ,17:2 ..Christ himsel echoes and re echoes mark7;7 you worship me in vain teaching the commandments the doctrines of men , historical sources that are not in harmony with Daniel 7;25 can never be trusted ...thats being an offshoot...I don't see the reason why you attack waggoners work .. provided his findings are inline with a prophetic word...then he is wise Ecclesiastes 12:9 And moreover, because the Preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yes, he pondered and sought out and set in order many proverbs
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You obviously didn’t even watch this whole video.
@@life.after.adventism Hey anneu. I have some videos I just share the titles and you can UA-cam search and listen in on these gems.
Seventh day adventist cult First Baptist. Pastor Steven L Anderson of faithful word baptist church. (he is spot on on the subject, I have some ??? on some of other issues.
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Now comes the main event
Sabbath Lovers Will HATE THIS VIDEO! - Dr. Gene Kim
Cults Try to Destroy Scriptures that Debunk Sabbath | Dr. Kim
What Is Wrong With Seventh Day Adventism? | Intermediate Discipleship
What The Bible Says About Seventh Day Adventists | Intermediate Discipleship #14 | Dr. Gene Kim
Why God Is Not a Seventh Day Adventist | Intermediate Discipleship #15 | Dr. Gene Kim
check it out and your welcome
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Thanks Terry, I will watch them
Acts 20:7
@@deus_vult8111 Act 20:7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.
Biblically a day starts at sundown[from evening to evening Leviticus 23:32]..up to now you can't conceive it that after Sabbath that is the evening of Sunday [first day ] Paul continued to preach until midnight ready to depart in the morning of Sunday....
May God help us to divide the word of truth rightly...
First of all, we don't worship Saturday, we worship God on Saturday like the 4th Commandment tells us to.
Second, there is no bible verse calling Sunday sacred or blessed. Second, if the pagans criticized so-called Christians for keeping Sunday as worshiping the sun, maybe they know something since that's the day they worship the Sun.
Please stop worshipping Saturn. If you worship on Saturday you are worshipping Saturn, just like Constantine! Facts.
@@billyhw5492 ''Please stop worshipping Saturn.''
You mean stop worshiping on the day God has ordained as the Sabbath in scripture? See, the difference between my worship day and your worship day, is I have an actual commandment to back my decision, you don't even have a suggestion that Sunday is sacred or a rest day. Constantine was a Sun worshipper. You have spout errors.
Thank you myles this is a wonderful presentation- loved the study of Hebrews 4 & your explanation of how we can enter Gods rest by being ‘in Christ’ & the link to the redemption we have in him with ‘another day’ thank you 🙏🏻
Much hard work put in by Myles and Excellent Scholar. Thank you and well done Myles.😊
how we can enter Gods rest by being ‘in Christ’ ''
Wow, you're easy. I would at least ask for BIBLICAL proof that the bible actually called Sunday sacred or blessed. I'd certainly demand something from Scripture from the Trinity, ANNOUNCING the new Sabbath to the gentiles. Do you have such texts?
I can get on board with the new creation (though I think it applies to us and not the literal planet), but where in the Bible does it say that Sunday is the new memorial of it? You're extrapolating things into the text that aren't there.
Listen through to the end first 🙂
According to Leviticus the Firstfruits sheaf was waved on the day AFTER THE SABBATH. That would be SUNDAY, you see no connection between Christ the Firstfruits being resurrected AFTER the Sabbath? Also Psalm 118:24.
@@s_hrndz0119 I can accept that and see the connection, but the Bible NEVER says that the sanctity of the Sabbath was moved to Sunday because of it. Just because Christ was resurrected on Sunday doesn't mean it's now the Sabbath.
@@hotwax9376 We don’t claim Sunday is the Sabbath, Sunday is the Lord’s Day.
The early church fathers distinguished between the Sabbath and the Lord’s Day.
@@s_hrndz0119 How so?
I am a Christian and have been in false doctrine Christian churches. I then decided to just read and study scripture for myself, the teacher I prefer, as I came to understand the whole council of God and not just a few verses, was Chuck Missler. I live in a farming community in South Africa, and 3 weeks ago, I started a Bible study group for women. I have a 7th Day Adventist in the group, I always knew they were not Christian but never had to pay much attention until now. I have to study their beliefs to be able to counter it with the Bible. I started with a quick summary of the start of the church and just there I discovered that the foundation is built on a lie. However I new that she might not get just that fact so in further investigation of the theology, I have to listen to preachings and I am not able to establish what they believe due to the word salad, they use Christian’lingo’ but say nothing. I’m not being nasty just truthful. Thank God in researching more I came across your videos, much easier to see where the deception from the foundation with Miller and White, has grown to.
And as it is this lady has not stopped mentioning, do I know the history of the church, as this is very important, I now think she’ll probably build up to the Sabbath. Thank you and pray that she gets to see the wonder of Jesus and His work on our behalf. Pray that God uses His Spirit to council to her. I am nervous at times as there are so many false ideologies they believe in. Very complicated.
Thanks!
I love u brother in jesus name thank u
Myles: What causes this idea that one’s theology, dogma, belief or theological interpretation is the only one true? Is it born of the limited self-centered thought? Is it an extension of the glorification of traditional tribal god? Why do we want to limit God, truth, beauty or love to the level of a tribal mind?
Why Sunday? Because the pope told you to.
Yes, but he was just going by what the Apostles had left us.
@@billyhw5492 no, not in the Bible. Catholic Church also gave the savior a pagan God's name to incorporate the worshipers of zues and kristna. Apolstles did not leave them this.
@@jameskerrigan2997That was the Apostles too.
Let no man judge you by the Sabbath... Col 2:16
Sabbath has been historically classified as celebrated on the first sign of the setting sun. They started Sabbath at night. Do Sabbath Keepers worship at night? According to Jewish tradition, still followed today, it always begins on Friday night, not Saturday morning.
I suppose they don't know that Catholics do have Saturday evening mass.
I am still a member of SDA church but have one foot out the door based on me finally researching Ellen White and finding her to be a false prophet. Now I am wondering about the Sabbath too... I'm wondering how do you interpret Mark 2:28 Jesus is claiming Lord ship of the Sabbath before the cross so that would have been the seventh day Sabbath not Sunday as Jesus when alive on the earth kept the Seventh Day Sabbath? I've always heard Mark 2:28 as a text proving John in Revelation 1:10 was "...in the spirit on the Lord's Day..." Really meant the seventh day Sabbath. Also is there significance to so many of the Old testament ceremonies that were on the 8th Day meaning
''I've always heard Mark 2:28 as a text proving John in Revelation 1:10 was "...in the spirit on the Lord's Day..." Really meant the seventh day Sabbath.''
And that would be correct. IN all of the NT, there is NO TEXT linking the Lord's Day of Revelation to the 1st day. But both in the OT and NT, there are texts stating the 7th day Sabbath is the Lord's Day. The 4th commandment and the text you sited in Mark.
''Also is there significance to so many of the Old testament ceremonies that were on the 8th Day meaning''
If there is, there are no texts to confirm it. Sunday is ALWAYS addressed as the 1st day; it's not even given a name. There are ceremonial 8th days, but those didn't always fall on the 1st day. There are no 'ceremonial' days connected to the Sabbath except for High Sabbaths where Passover happened to fall on the 7th day Sabbath.
This church has been here loooonnng before you, and will be looooonnng after you are gone, save you repent. The face and spirit of apostacy that you peddle is not unique to you my friend as many many have traveled that road before you. Like the church of old , the apostalic church and the church in the wilderness, this Laodicean SDA church is the object of Christ supreme regard on this earth. Though spritually weak and feeble at this moment, The SDA movement will withstand all attacks from within and without and this church militant shall be purified in the fires of lifes affliction and then she shall become the church triumphant.
The real issue Is, can you afford the peril of standing against God's remnant church and doing the work of Satan? For every soul you endanger with this apostacy , the weight of eternal wrath shall not escape you.
Repent and return to thy first love, the day of our salvation is nigh at hand.
You have much that Christ can use to exalt and advance His name and work.
There is still time and space to repent!🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Is the 7th day sabbath a day of worship? Is it not a day of rest. 8th day, 1st day(sunday,) a day of worship and not rest.
The 8th day is the Eternal Rest.
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Me too as a 7th day sabbath keeping Christian believe it is the Lord's day ,was made for man and it is a blessing. Sorry you have such a hard time with everything that does not fit your understanding.
I would also love to hear your take on Isa 66:23 as well.
This is addressed here and it's timestamped where that specific topic begins: ua-cam.com/users/liveAxgwN-qHELM
Watch an SDA proof-text (for perpetual Sabbath observance) backfire... and destroy, the SDA position:
What do SDAs do... FROM sunset Friday TO sunset Saturday?
-do they recognize what the words FROM & TO mean?
Now read Isaiah 66:23
New King James Version
23 And it shall come to pass
That FROM one New Moon TO another,
And FROM one Sabbath TO another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
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These are measures of time, for ancient Israel. So, what is ACTUALLY happening THE WHOLE TIME???
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Yes, AFTER the new heavens and the new earth are formed... ALL FLESH will worship before GOD. Without ceasing or interruption. This is clearly seen in the passage you cite.
-though illustrated using THE ONLY REFERENCES to time... that Israel could comprehend
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REALLY SPIKING THE FOOTBALL NOW:
Isaiah 66:22 (the preceding verse)
“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make SHALL REMAIN BEFORE ME,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
-oh, the people REMAIN before GOD... in like manner... just as the passage says
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WILL the NEW heavens and NEW earth ALWAYS, CONSTANTLY & PERPETUALLY... REMAIN... before GOD???
-the people REMAIN BEFORE GOD... in like manner
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23 And it shall come to pass
That FROM one New Moon TO another,
And FROM one Sabbath TO another,
All flesh shall come to worship BEFORE ME,” says the Lord.
Does the people coming (AND REMAINING before God) imply coming... AND going away? -nope
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Deleting posts which ruin all your fight against the seventh day Sabbath cannot demonstrate you as being intelligent having Bible support.
By deleting my posts you only demonstrated that you are not a fighter for the Bible truth
This shows a lot more information than I have ever heard. Thank you
WHY only beginning with Matthew 16:16,17 was Jesus for the first time called by God AS CHRIST(Colos 2:2) ?
Let’s see how wise Bible student are you 😀
I don't understand. Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus is the Sabbath or Sabbath "rest". He says he is the Lord of the Sabbath. And the Sabbath was made for man. It was made before any Jews existed, and God sanctified and hallowed it, before sin was introduced. So basically your saying it that when God makes something sacred and holy that people can say that it isn't? This is Cain and Able all over again.
Hebrews 4
@kimartist that verse is not talking about the Sabbath. Also the word "rest" there is not the same word used for the Sabbath.
My 91 yr old mother and most of my immediate family will not read the scriptures that pertain to the "sabbath " & the 3rd coming (post 1, 000 yrs) to fight the non-adventist, once & for all. This goes completely against scripture.
Just thought question for you, you said there was no question about what day the Sabbath was before SDA's what about the Seventh Day Baptists and the Waldensians?
I didn’t say there haven’t been seventh day sabbatarians at all. There’s been other groups long before the seventh day baptists even. Judaizing goes back to the first century.
My point was there was no grand conspiracy to veil the sabbath such that the SDA movement was necessary to now educate everyone on it. The SDA Church acts like before them, everyone was confused or ignored the scriptures in regard to the sabbath. This simply isn’t true.
But also, the Waldensians were not seventh day sabbatarians. It’s odd that SDAs will appeal to the waldensians who were (and still are) Calvinists. Yet the SDA Church loathes Calvinism. They affirm what I presented in this presentation. The first day is the Christian’s sabbath. Not the old creation seventh day memorial.
We’ve documented this here: answeringadventism.com/were-the-waldensians-seventh-day-sabbath-keepers/
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Thanks for replying to my question and clarifying your point to me. I didn't realize Adam came up with idea that Waldensians were Sabbath keepers, until I just looked it up now.
I meant SDA NOT Adam
@@philiplehman1843Hang on, the SDAs didn't misreport the history: the reports from church officials during the dark ages mention Sunday and Sabbath keeping Waldenses, for the Waldenses were forced to live in various places in Europe.
The earliest written records of their practices were destroyed by the persecution sent to destroy them for breaking from Rome's system, which they surely are known for.
Which church do you attend?
Around 109, Finley says something like, Satan hates the Sabbath, because he hates Jesus as the creator, yet, according to egw Jesus was exalted to sonship, how could a created being be the creator... according to SDA? Pre Jesus's exaltation, Lucifer a created being, got jealous of another created being, Jesus, being exalted above Lucifer? Ludicrous contradictions. This false paradigm has some explaining to do Lucy...
When EGW was a Plagiator then Jesus was the greatest Plagiator because He always quoted the Old Testament and He said that He never talk from Himself.
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That isn’t what plagiarism is. The Old Testament is JESUS’S Word. All of scripture is Jesus’s. He wasn’t taking someone else’s words, passing them off as being from God when they weren’t, and then copywriting them and selling them.
The fact that your even compare EGW with Jesus in such a way is sad.
“Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, declares the Lord, who steal my words from one another. 31 Behold, I am against the prophets, declares the Lord, who use their tongues and declare, ‘declares the Lord.’ 32 Behold, I am against those who prophesy lying dreams, declares the Lord, and who tell them and lead my people astray by their lies and their recklessness, when I did not send them or charge them. So they do not profit this people at all, declares the Lord.”-Jeremiah 23:30-2
God HATES what Ellen White did.
Thank you for your honesty and your study of SDA's. May or Lord continue to bless you and your ministry.
Right now i saw Hebrews 8:13 in original Greck and is saying the same.
But even you will not always observe “OF THE”… you still have the OLD covenant in Exodus 31:16 and then you have Hebrews 8:13, making clearly that the OLD covenant Exodus 31:16 is still NOT vanished away and so you are still living under the OLD covenant…
And will remain for you to explain Hebrews 8:12, to tell us WHEN will be vanished away the OLD covenant Exodus 31:16 knowing that in Isaiah 66:23 you cannot have anymore the Sabbath “AS” covenant … when you know what is a covenant
Then what Is Jesus talking about all his people will be called out of babylon in revelation. That would take in all people from all beliefs to come to Jesus in truth? This is just a question I need answered
We can worship God any day of the week but the day is a day God sanctified and hallowed. Isa 58 :12-14 tells us what activities are involved on Gods day and calls us to bring people back to this day . GOD IS PARTICULAR. I wouldn't want to mess with Him. Rom 6,23 is still feath to people who don't want to keep this law which includes the 4th precept. I ONLY GO by what God say not what other men say
Supernatural insight, what marvelous divine revelation! This advanced and precise understanding of the Sabbath in the NT totally demolishes the plain/surface understanding of the SDA Church of their pivotal sabbatical doctrine which is just a reinforcement of the observance of the fourth commandment now obsolete.
Nowhere in the New Testament is it said that Seventh Day Sabbath breakers will not inherit the kingdom of God. As of prime importance Jesus and the apostles would certainly have made it a matter of priority to solemnly warn us to strictly keep the Seventh Day Sabbath if our salvation hinges on it.
Prayer, godly persuasion and God's power can deliver SDA people from the law of sin and death. Contrary to the scripture they are not willing to acknowledge that the law brings wrath and that Christ's perfect sacrifice on the cross has saved us from the wrath of God. Romans 7:9-10 "I once lived outside the law, but when the commandment came, sin became alive; then I died...." The law is a measure for sin, the law is fuel for the explosion of sin. Unfortunately, SDAs are not aware that they are heaping up wrath for themselves for the day of wrath.
Is the doctrine of NEW CREATION, that came out of the theory of an former Adventist is BIBLICAL? Where is that in The Bible? Or just a man made?
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The 10 commandments were given only to the Israelites on Mt Sinai as the basis of God's covenant with them. It did not include the gentiles. And Jesus' ministry on earth was confined to the Israelites. That's why Jesus said to the gentile woman who begged Him for her sick daughter's healing that He could not take the children's (the Israelites ) food and and give it to dogs (gentiles). At the end of His ministry at the last supper He made a new covenant that would embrace the whole world that includes the gentiles. And for the new covenant Jesus gave a new commandment " A new commandment I give you that you love one another as I love you, and by this all will know that you are my disciple".To show that the whole world is now included in the new covenant, Jesus says in John 12:32 "And I,if I'm lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL peoples to Myself "
Myles Myles the former SDA who used to go on Saturdays now he has come to sunday which we go to
Sad
@@nahshonwanyangu5386 very sad