Separate the Art from the Artist
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2024
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Separate the Melon from the WaterMelon
You can’t cuz the water is in the melon 😢
Separate the flesh from the rind.
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💧💧💧 🍈🍈🍈 omg yay i did it 😄
@@JSGRanksGood job 👍🏻😊🔥🔥🙏
good comment
Anthony Fantano unrelentingly scolds a child for an hour and twenty eight minutes | NOT CLICKBAIT
real
If you’re in your 20’s you’re not a child .
@@Thdarkonex3 technically yes but in all other senses that man has the brain of a middle schooler
@@Thdarkonex3 🤓
@@Ayteo. you replying with a childish ass comment like that says everything I need to know about you
He has admitted that he isn't educated on any of these topics but he's standing his ground so hard for no reason and he just keeps digging himself deeper into this hole
Having strong opinions about things you know nothing about is way too prominent. Every time I talk to people in real life about politics, I feel the urge to compel them to explain, define, or describe any of the things they have such a strong opinion on. Because they never have anything beyond the talking points.
This is how the world sees Americans. Uneducated but confident beyond normality.
Duplee: "Kick was made because Twitch was too restrictive"
Fantano: "How lenient does Twitch need to be for there to not be a Kick?"
Duplee: "You're misinterpreting my point on purpose"
When confronted with the absurdity of his own logic he has to shift the goalposts.
He was actually right for the Kick stuff. Twitch is absolutely insane when it comes to their rules. You can show your tits and ass but if you say a bad work that woke people take offense you get banned
Timestamp?
@@TacosCanned 31:35
@@lexusr_7296thanks mate
The thing is, if twitch was ran in his idealistic way, it would just *become* kick lmao
this guys whole argument is literally just “disagreeing bad”
Funny how he only brings that up with Nazis.
Seemed to have a very limited capacity to unpack alot of what Fantano put forth. Was hard to watch
literally what so many people say today. such a mind numbingly simplistic take,
And even that seemed to just be a vehicle for him to get to "Why'd you call me stupid Anthony? That hurt my feelings"
That's not what he was saying he is saying at all . He is saying everyone enters said conversations with their minds already mad up. They do this simply because you don't like a person. I'm split 🤔 kick was literally made because of deplatforming. Anthony entire agreement was CP porn the entire time.
“I think we’re on the same side here” Fantano vigorously shakes head 😂😂😂
Idk why him saying Alex Jones was sued into the Stone Age made me laugh so hard but that part was great
That part was so funny
ODB. Lennon. Bowie. Page. Ghost & Rae. Et al. Polanski, Puffy, MJ.
I will continue to listen to their music and watch their films.
@@geekylove3603 no one will stop you. Do you have a kink for being told not to consume problematic art or something?
Timestamp?
“I am not a fence-sitter” also “this is how I sit on the fence.” All in one breath. Amazing.
Bro was saying he’s not centrist all while regurgitating the most European centrist points of all time
Debates with the No. 1 Drake stan are funny.. Duplee on the other hand is incredibly painful.
The Drake Stan even had the sense to say he’s not rocking w this Kanye album despite previously being a huge fan because he has become so hateful
Los Pollos is clearly an idiot with no arguments, hence why it's fun to see Fantano destroy him.
Sorry if this is a stupid question I’m not super tied in to the fantanoverse but wasn’t dublee the channel that posted fantano streams before he started to do it himself? If yes, wtf happened here lol
@@stevensilver2880 yeye duplee used to be a fantano clips channel (uploading the stuff like "hating logic for 14 min" but then he deleted all that content and started to upload his own original vids centered around music as well
White boy Summer 2018!
his point literally boiled down to “don’t call things bad, please”
LOL true. People are gonna call Kanye a shitty person. Like sorry if you don't think that's "productive" but its what happens when you outwardly make antisemetic comments.
"Be nicer on Twitter because some hypothetical person might be turned off by you being mean to people that are probably the ones being mean first"
dont call bad things i happen to agree with bad
Its honestly kinda like the type of shit you hear from Boomers when they try to claim racism didn’t exist when they were growing up because “no one was talking about racism so much.”
yeah this guy was a bit of time waster tbh not sure why he bothered having him on
I don't think he understands that when there are malicious people with the intent to harm you, there is no "meeting them in the middle" - they aren't interested in your wellbeing and it's not worth trying to reason with them, you can't tolerate their intolerance
I'm sure someone in chat mentioned it at some point, but I think it's called the paradox of tolerance
My favorite example of this is that meeting in the middle with someone calling for genocide means compromising with murder.
This is mainly the problem with centrism. Sometimes like you said, there's no sittin in the middle and try to have a middleground on certain topics. What even is the point of trying to be "nice and understanding" with Bigots when there's no equal recipocration.
There's a general red-line in being a person of acceptance and being open-minded and that is to be accepting, until you are faced with the argument for the destruction of that acceptance/tolerant society (i.e bigots, real hate-groups, groups that argue and advocate for violence right from the get-go). Being tolerant of them at that point you might as well be being open and friendly to what is effectively a social cancer.
You can have too much of *anything* in this world and you can have too much tolerance/acceptance. If a hate-group is organizing in your society, to be accepting of it is to be supportive of your own downfall.
Thus you must counter-act it to defend what you have built.
@@bruh......2005 U also realize there’s no possible way society can function if there’s only the extreme of 2 sides. I constantly see leftists demonizing centrists not realizing some of these people will radicalize the other way when there’s no meeting somewhere in the middle without being ostracized. What do u think is causing the rise of young right wingers? Not everyone is going to agree with the whole platform of the socialist left.
@@bruh......2005centrism is an umbrella term for a wide variety of moderate or mixed viewpoints, not an ideology based around toxic niceness (that would be leftism)
"if Twitch didn't crack down on CP, Kick wouldn't exist" is everything I need to know about everyone on Kick or supports Kick.
Least depraved libertarian
riot and citrus moment
I heard it's bad on there too. Insane
@@Kitsuniga_ri "there's a demand" is such a fkn cop out
last I heard it was full of people openly advertising their OF accounts and flashing their bare breasts for donation goals, which all the power to em but jfc I didn't realise kick had such a fucked origin story
If you're in a burning building and one person is saying "we gotta run for the door" and the other is saying "we need to run further into the building," the middle ground would be just deciding to stand there
Boom
Lol no that's an absolute shit analogy. No one inside a burning building would be advocating for anyone inside it to be running further into it. Every building policy enforces that people move for the exit, no matter what.
@@hamupinhere you'd be surprised
@@killthepandas.no he/she wouldn't
@@hamupinhere
In burning building: "man insulin is so expensive right now, and they want to make it more expensive for everyone!"
Guy who wants to leave burning building: "we need to vote and stop the price hike! For the good of everyone"
Guy who wants to run into burning building: "No! We gotta endorse the guy who wants to raise it to own the libs"
Tldr, there are people who will absolutely ruin things for both themselves and everyone else if it's to prove a stupid point. Sorry if you don't want to believe it, but yes, there are indeed people who will sprint right into that burning building and ask everyone to do the same, logic be damned.
"cringe title" "those words did come out of my mouth, but-", dude isn't standing by anything he's ever said, and shows up so unprepared, he can't even articulate his own point. "think-piece but you can't think" is right
Exactly
Reactionaries are known for reacting, not thinking.
Literally has no spine, or an idea of what hes even arguing about. It pains me knowing there are many people just like this.
Looking like a red-pill debater on h3
the video should have had an "I don't know" counter. :P
Fantano: "People in the chat are cringing at what you're saying"
Duplee: "I dont care what people think"
Bro you're in this debate because of what people said to you on Twitter, you absolutely care what people think, that's literally why you are here lol
For once the chat has an appropriate reaction to the context
@@bruh......2005 yeah I've heard Fantano's chat can be pretty toxic.
@@SahloFolina2161 From I've seen the bad apples consists mainly of brainrot individuals that glaze Melon hardcore and the most obnoxious contrarians/trolls you can find.
@@bruh......2005 People who think they know everything about music cuz they watch Fantano?
He probably meant he didn't care what those people thought
this guys point basically boiled down to "nazis may be bad but have you ever thought of being nice to them?" as if all hitler needed was a hug and he wouldn't have done what he had done
Maybe all he needed was a second testicle.
Yeah man they definitely cared about cancel culture, the Russians who forcefully deported ny family members to siberia to die and starve also really cared about getting canceled or needed a hug
The dude needs to open and read a few history books or anything. Not be reliable on TikToks made by 15 year olds
bros got the steven universe worldview
The only person who needed to be nicer to Hitler was Hitler’s dad. The only thing anyone got from being nicer to Nazis was them invading Poland.
the mlk bit especially pisses me off because the man quite literally DID stop just being nice and later on in his life and career up until his assassination was increasingly more and more supportive of more proactive civil rights efforts and even admitted that sometimes you have to actually fight for whats right and not just protest about it. this idea that the people doing the oppressing can talk how they want and literally oppress people, the idea that racists can be racist, but the victims of these things are the people who's tone you feel the need to concern yourself with, is absolutely idiotic
6:51 I'm going to quote Natalie from Contrapoints here because this part reminds me a lot of what she was talking about "Deradicalization is a valid strategy. But it cannot be the only strategy, and it must not be the primary strategy. Because we're not going to defeat racism by telling Black people to be a little nicer to racists."
Which Contrapoints video is that? You got me interested and I'd like to watch it
@@carloandresl
I am pretty sure it is the last one she uploaded to UA-cam, "The Witchtrials of J.K. Rowling".
@@carloandresl the witch trial of J.K Rowling!
This, right here; the Contrapoints video you’re referencing is the exact thing that came to mind when I was watching this. Converting bigots is great, but oftentimes, they can’t be converted and simply have to be defeated.
YWNBAW
I find it funny that Kanye fans hate Fantano but want him to still review Kanye’s albums
They always need to have something to complain about
Not only review them, but give the albums 9/10s or above every time
Kanye stans also preach free thinking but get mad when people disagree with Kanye
Not the brightest group of individuals
Personally I really dislike Kanye as a person but I can’t say the same of his past songs
@@FearlessXLVultures was garbage though.
Duplee: I don’t care what people think.
Also Duplee: why do people have to roll their eyes when I praise Kanye and Jordan Peterson 😢
This baby is so smooth! *pounds hood* It's as frictionless as space! Got less wrinkles than eggs!
Moral of the story: if you’re willing to have hot takes or be a video essayist, learn how to debate so that someday, you’re not going to be made a fool of
Seriously. So many of these internet people's experience of their own content is "I have ideasa, and said them to a camera. and then edited myself for what i believe is potentially the best version" and then "and also read/replied to comments, and have more ideas that i will publish".
So little of these _iDeAs_ are **EVER** challenged or explored in a learning environment with: 1) Someone MORE if not equally formally educated on the topic than the content creator, and 2) a peer group that can react in real-time/face to face.
Seriously. I don’t roundly disagree with duplee or his point, he says some things I agree with, but Jesus, this is the definition of coming unprepared to a “debate” -if we can even call this that, lol
@@toziassmittI agree, I’d also like to add that Fantanas use of ad hominem attacks really discounts his ability to debate…I found his condescending attitude and mannerisms as well as his constant interruptions very tacky and unprofessional. Overall I give this a soft 1.
duplee: don't criticise me it hurts my feelings
meanwhile his entire channel was built on him just insulting artists in the harshest ways possible, dude is the worst.
"Dont criticize me I'll turn more red pilled"
He talked himself in circles just to say that Fantano shouldn’t say confrontational things to people that love confrontational people like Kanye and Trump.
He's no different then the people who bitch about cancel culture any time they get criticism for something they did or say. I don't get this idea of "compromise" he's talking about if I'm in some kind of discussion or debate I'm not looking to compromise im looking to convince people of my position, if someone wants me to compromise or to change my position they need to convince not bitch because I'm not being "understanding".
@@zkapsh right. And if you soften your position in order to make nice, or make an idea more palatable to the person you’re trying to convince of something…you’re opening yourself up to being railroaded. Allowing the other position to gain prominence. In fact, I’ve never heard anyone tell Trump or Kanye to soften their positions to appeal to a leftist. In fact, the more forceful they are, the more their base loves that shit. Tolerance for disgusting ideas can be detrimental to society, I think we’ve learned that by now.
The way Fantano eyes bugged out of his head when in the last like 15 seconds Duplee says “maybe some other time we can debate some other topics” 😭
didn't even acknowledge it just hit him with the "aight have a good one buddy"🤣
Duplee seems like the kind of guy who would, unironically, say “well, you know, if there were no laws then there would be no law-breakers” and think he’s making a good point
My man Duplee went from a Fantano reposter to arguing with him live on stream. Dreams really do come true
He uploaded some videos on his channel too 😢 talk about burning bridges
Ngl I really like his videos to 😂. Idk why he changed the title to the video I think it was called something else before that was less cringe. Blaming this on a "political correctness" is misguided and kind of obscures his point
@@MichaelTurner856him blaming “political correctness” is so grifty
🎵 Don't stop! Belieeeeevin'! 🎵
I had no idea Duplee was white
We went from "separate art from the artist" to "separate Hitler from holocaust" real quick
Separate ☝️🤓
@@khayotikk1 sorry mister. English isn't my first language
@@vladokubis6864don’t desecrate my beautiful language then
hahahahahaha thats funny asf
@@lurluxl@khayotikk1 both of you rot in hell it was probably completely understandable and you just want to be pedantic
i can't get over how insanely cowardly duplee's being with the constant backpedaling and shifting of the goalpost every time anthony even tries to address the implications of his arguments. every time he gets caught implying something heinous and terrible, it's "but that's not what i'm saying" or "but that's not what i meant". if you're going to advocate for your own ideas you should, at the very least, have the backbone to actually stand for them instead of cowering away into a corner or trying to change your own argument retroactively to make yourself not look bad.
also him saying he's not a fencesitting centrist and then spending the entire god damn conversation fencesitting makes me feel like i'm going to die tomorrow
Well he is a Jordan Peterson fan...
Learned out to be weasely from the best
"My point is not 'no boundaries', it's just that I don't think people should ever react negatively out loud about anything or anyone to others because it might upset people who like them"
Kid is looking for a fight. Fantano calmly explains himself. Kid stumbling over his own words and contradicts himself. Fantano tries to use an analogy. Kid is confused and misses the point entirely.
The problem with people like this is they don't even understand the point they're trying to make. They've spent almost no time thinking about why they have an opinion and use the counterpoint of someone else to try and figure out what they actually believe. It's a product of modern culture and says a lot about society (especially in North America) as a whole.
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Yeah, the whole argument is "i don't like people making fun of certain people, so callouts are inherently problematic" and that doesn't hold any weight.
At least whoever this guest is, he read Peterson so he can now pick up his room and wash his own genitals while holding terrible and harmful ideas he can barely articulate!
Yeah, they're beating around the bush too much.
yeah i think verbal debates are not really productive because people cant think and speak at the same time. its a lot easier through text but thats not very entertaining. that dude didnt really even listen to fantanos response to the same point he made over and over again and fantano didn't really hammer it home in an easily digestible way for this dude to get it
Duplee saying that Joe Biden is a leftist really shows how little he knows about politics. And the fact that he thinks liberalism is somehow leftist, when liberalism is the literal staple of the right-wing economic system (free market, no government involvement, personal wealth is great, less taxes). Both Donald Trump and Joe Biden are economically liberal, Trump being slightly more extreme, what matters is where they stand ideologically. And even still, Trump is an extreme right wing conservative, and Biden is moderatly conservative when you look at the rest of the world. There is no left wing party in the US, there is extremist consevatives, and then there's moderate liberals, both being on the right in the political spectrum. I've heard this argument from so many people who know next to nothing about politics and it pissed me off enough here to write this long ass comment. Do your research before trying to step into a political sphere where you have nothing to say. He also keeps saying that people like Fantano aren't being productive, when he literally has no productive point and keeps asking what we should do to prevent polarisation, but gives no realalistic examples because he doesn't know better. He should just shut up for now, do research and make actual informed descicions, instead of fence sitting and holding hands with both the antisemites and the frustrated leftists, saying things like "Hey guys, can't we just try and meet each other in the middle". My brother in Christ read ONE book, please.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk
Wait until you learn that words have different meaning in different context. Then you can stop wasting your time writing walls of text over a simple misunderstanding on your part.
Nice comment, thanks for wording out things that im too impatient and exhausted to do myself. This "debate" was insane
"Moderately conservative when you look at the rest of the world". More like when you look at europe.
@@dariuzthemacaroni1308 Yeah I worded that weird, was mainly meant to be comparing the US to countries with similar economic and political systems, i.e Europe and the Western world, but yeah a lot of the rest of the world is definitely more conservative.
@@captaintontito7406 Thanks, I appreciate it:)
I don’t want to “come to an agreement” with bigots. The hell is this kid on about.
😂😂😂
He watches Destiny bro of course he thinks like that
@aadliafiq to be fair fantano has an extremely flawed and disingenuous view of destiny
@@jedicraftmaster2426 Elaborate. In great detail. With receipts.
@@Trepanation21they don’t have the ability to do that with reason without proving themselves wrong, so they don’t.
The Kick example is hilarious because it's the typical libertarian idealist cycle: let's make a platform just like Twitch but without the censorship; oh fuck people are spamming slurs and saying the most heinous shit live, let's put a few rules I guess; oh fuck some people are showing copyright material now, let's put a rule about that too; oh fuck... etc. etc. And in 5 years or so Kick will be either dead or have the same set of TOS as Twitch, because it's needed to run a normal platform.
This 😂😂😂😂
Exactly! He doesn't seem to understand that Kick is the platform for (mostly) outrageous, hideous creators. I wouldn't call it HUGE, I would say Kick made big moves with money to lure creators and they lured the WORST ONES. There's a reason they are no longer offering these big contracts. Advertisers aren't rushing to be on Kick as those creators are literally the reason they threatened to pull advertising from UA-cam and twitch.
Exactly this to the tee. What also kinda blew my mind was that this guy didn’t think about streamers leaving Twitch for Kick was because of money?
your still missing thats the point and consequence . Freedom has a cost and most dont like it. Odd how that works right
Exactly what happened with Twitter. Musk rolled back multiple policies he removed because he immediately realized why they were there in the first place. In any case, he has actively made the site worse with his changes and well, advertisers are leaving, the site is dying and overrun with bots.
Fantano: "fuck nazis"
Duplee: "No you're wrong for saying that, that's not productive"
Thats basically what the whole conversation boils down to
It isn't productive, it doesn't confront the reason why these ideas propagate in the first place.
@@jalenp64hot take, I dosent need to be “productive” in that sense, hotter take people are well in the rights to say fuck Nazis and the idea that anybody would take more issue with that than whatever content promotes the comment is in need of heavy scrutiny.
@@jalenp64He goes over this in detail, it is productive, His goal isn't to change minds its to address the onlooking crowd and let them know "this isn't normal", because it's not, and if we just let it continue in silence it will become normal. When it comes to why these ideas propagate its not all one reason and its basically impossible for individuals to address that way, politely disagreeing with Nazis has historically not changed their minds.
@@jalenp64it’s productive towards making people who don’t care against nazis, which is a way better goal than trying to convert nazis anyway because most of these people are not gonna be changing their mind no matter what you say to them anyway. You don’t talk a homicidal murderer out of being a murderer, you send him to jail to let people know that their actions won’t be tolerated.
@@WelfareChrist “politely disagreeing” might not work, but neither does screaming “fuck you”. This is what Duplee was saying by it creates more polarization. Lets say you have a fence sitter who is starting to take interest in nazi ideas and beliefs. If progressives don’t address/debunk them and merely yell out obscenities, it might push this person in the opposite direction from their cause. To a nazi, progressives have an inability to engage with their ideas, which creates a perfect environment for them to obscure what they believe and pull people further in. So not only is it not productive, you could easily make the argument it is counter productive. The only thing you achieve by yelling “fuck you” at a nazi is making yourself feel good.
Anthony demonstrating the patience of a saint while cooking this guy.
Oh hi sinix! love your art by the way
Didn't expect to see Sinix here. I agree entirely though.
Not really he just saying the usual lib things he always says . Kanye is a legend . Fantano is a lil agenda chasing bozo who can’t stop spewing liberal views while they rob the country (I’m not rich winged I don’t vote for either party)
All he does is debate with people he know he can win with. That doesn’t take skill at all. He’s a joke
@@AmazingLucasExposedalso I just don’t think he won either neither of them did all that much with their points
this debate really encapsulates the phrase “if you stand for nothing, you’ll fall for anything”
it didn’t really seem like any of duplee’s opinions here had any solid ground whatsoever, he seemed to be on the verbal backfoot for the entire hour and a half
No he was just trying to find common ground
Almost feels like duplees entire stance on this topic is predicated exclusively on him not wanting to feel backlash for endorsing his love for Kanyes music. And the rest of his "ideas" are just an afterthought on how to legitimize a means to do that without scrutiny 🤔
Agreed. Though it may have come from a good place, if the goal is just to "to find common ground", that goes against the entire point of a debate, which is to convince your opponent you are correct, not try to find what your opponent's arguments have in common with your own.
@@NarcissistMargarineyes, his feelings got hurt and that’s all he cared about. His last bit at the end really made that obvious. He also sneaked in he thought fantano was being mean at points and really wanted to be considered a victim.
@@lex_9940 He wasn't in the tweets he posted. He just wanted people to sit down and shut up about their opinions, because he doesn't care.
Then he has to defend those opinions, and then suddenly it's "hey, okay, we all have different beliefs, why are you curcifying me for them?" After saying that other people's arguments are divisive or unproductive. More divisive than the guy who blamed Jews for why rappers talk about crime and drugs so much. He'd rather go on big publicity stunts and twitter tirades that scare away sponsors, than actually do something altruistic to help the communities that he claims suffer from these totally real problems.
Duplee has clearly never heard of the phrase “When you give an inch, they’ll take a mile”, Twitch is not to blame for a fucking predator looking elsewhere to be a predator
That was so fucking uncomfortable to listen to
Love when Fantano becomes a debate bro. My favorite type of melon
Yeah but I’d rather watch the drake debates 😂 this one is painful
Same, he's a good debater
He only debates people he can easily beat
I kind of hate it, debates are cringe af, especially when you know the guy opposite of you is just a clown. I don't really get the point and it usually makes me think less of a person.
The only real reason to do it is for the algorithm. They have no critical or intellectual merit. Debasing.
This guy really showed up with a "You're part of the problem," Anthony says "Elaborate,"
and this guy just goes into rant mode never once explaining what he even means.
This is the epitome of don't write checks your ass can't cash.
Duplee spends an hour and a half playing mental gymnastics with himself saying a whole lot of nothing.
"One of the hardest things for a centrist to answer is what do they believe." They say let's meet in the middle without defining what that middle is.
The Middle is not making them feel bad for having shitty opinions or being an apologist to shitty people
maybe a little cringe of me to quote a video game but disco elysium nails it
"[Centrists] don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is *control*. Over yourself and the world."
Imagine thinking that Alex Jones was simply filling a demand and not manufacturing the demand for the most part
solid point and one i'll be taking and repeating - perfectly said
I think it’s a bit of both, Alex Jones’s biggest conspiracy is against globalism. He didn’t invent the idea of globalist elites tho, he did radicalize many people but they had preexisting fears of a unifying world
Alex Jones is an entirely different monster 😅
Imagine thinking the opposite. Conspiracy bullshit has always been in deman, alex jones didnt invent that market, da fuq are you talking about?
@@Jodykangyeah, he's not escalating anything at all, he's just there goving the people what they want... sure, buddy
You know Duplee is gonna be full red pill in about five years
Probably right, and it seems TO ME that would be an effect of exactly what he's talking about. This whole debate was awful to watch, but I understand the point he was attempting to make. Empathy ≠ Sympathy
Five weeks
Don’t think so, sounded like he tried to actually understand what fantano was saying most of the time. Think that’s a good sign
@@HaitunPilot Agreed. I think his heart was in the right place but he just made a mess of articulating his points.
Absolutely. He uses the exact same words as Dave Rubin. And the only people still watching his videos are red pillers and kanye fanboys, so they will serve as negative reinforcement.
Fantano: "I've literally seen him... advocate for the deaths of people he deems unreasonable"
"You kinda do the same thing dont you?" (By calling nazis bad.)
Brilliant.
"You think I’d repeat that on my stream??”
New favorite cop out to not providing any example of the accusations you make. Well done fanatno
@@samiam7241 he litteraly provided the examples minutes after though. But granted I don't know Destiny's contraversy well, so I can't really tell if what he said was true.
@@samiam7241he said to google it. And if you did instead of making weak zingers you’d find it easily
@@samiam7241ratio
@@bruh......2005 it is. destiny had a heated moment on stream where he said "The rioting needs to fucking stop. If that means white redneck militia dudes mowing down dipshit protesters that think they can torch buildings at 10 PM, at this point they have my fucking blessing. Holy shit, this shit needs to stop. It needed to stop a long time ago." and he was banned for encouraging violence against protesters/rioters
This guy talks like a “centrist” commentary dude who eventually goes on to become a far right ideologue lol
Fantano will get dragged for giving a Duplee a platform.
Duplee is pretty clearly left. Fantano fans are just so extremely left that it’s not enough for them 😂
@Kimmhe is not left at all actually. Centrist is very much what he is. A leftist would never tolerate nazism my dude. He tries to say its not productive for people saying Nazism is bad and not wanting to partake in it at all by not reviewing music that has NAZI REFERENCES IN IT MY GOD.
@@MarkMcKimmif extremist left means not supporting nazis in 2024 we’re cooked
@@MarkMcKimmyes however he needs to get his arguments straight cause he is so confusing
This dude is 100000% what MLK talked about in his thoughts on the white moderate. Lets just appease people who have nothing to contribute because "we need to see both sides" and care about people's feelings
Dude is a very good example of the problems of letting white dudes who have zero context and zero study become figures on rap culture smh
I blame Em for so much of this smh. He brought so many of those exact dudes you described over to rap. I personally see it as a net negative
@@chiarosuburekeni9325there is a video about it called « the problem with white rappers » by fd signifier.
The white washing of MLK’s legecy and the erasure of his socialist politics has crippled people in their understanding of history.
@@chiarosuburekeni9325Blaming Em is silly
@@chiarosuburekeni9325 honestly idek if Duplee is an Eminem guy. He sounds more like someone who likes Kanye and Carti
His argument boils down to “we should be nicer with people we disagree with” which on its face sounds reasonable but I don’t think being nice to bigots will change their mind like he thinks. It’s just tolerating hate and opening the door for more people to get away with it. With MLK, he was more nonviolent than some like Malcom X, but MLK was assassinated anyway. So regardless of how you treat bigots they will still despise you and hurt you
“I think these things are bad and dangerous, but more importantly, we should not say they are for fear they might actually happen.”
We should be less confrontational towards people who admire confrontational figures like Kanye/Trump? Kid is a fence sitter. I’m all for civil debate, but moderates only inhibit progress.
Spineless centrist. He’s living in a fantasy world
only priveliged ppl think like this. for black people and racists there is no "disagree", the disagreement is violent towards ones life or way of living. centrists do live in a fantasy world
hear, hear!
This guy is way too concerned with common ground. Like, common ground is nice but it means nothing if it's at the cost of just handwaving away the issue. He should worry more about understanding the issues at hand before he tries playing referee.
He want you to be in his middle ground not everyone's middle ground 😂
Duplee: I’m not a centrist, I have an ideology
2 seconds later: I like to meet people in the middle
Can't believe this guy spent an hour of his life saying "We should be nicer to bigots so they'll maybe change their minds" like grow up dude. Imagine making this argument to someone who's actually harmed by Kanye's dumb hateful rhetoric. Like imagine him saying this to a Jewish person "You should be nice to Kanye dude" get real
he doesn’t genuinely believe that lmao, literally in the debate he admits to making inflammatory thumbnails and titles to make people click on videos. He’s just a grifter who isn’t interested in arguing but just wants to talk Fantano in circles so that he can’t definitively accuse him of anything besides being a grifter.
I think you didn''t get the point. It's not about being nice to those who are too far gone like e.g. Kanye. It's about the sizeable portion of people who are overall decent human beings, but for whatever reasons feel insecure (economic instability, perceived low social status) and are in danger of being caught in the nets of the pied pipers on the extreme right who prey on that general vague insecurity and try channeling it into anger by offering simple scapegoats such as minorities or the left. Be nice to THOSE people, or at least don't shit on them unnecessarily, bc by treating them badly you will only validate every stereotype about the left and drive them further into the arms of the rabble rousers. And then, if they get properly radicalized, then things get dangerous. Believe me, as a German I know a thing or two about that, sadly.
It is always a battle for the minds of the sizeable group of the undecided. All political parties literally spend millions every year to convince those people to their side. And you won't convince them by being mean to them bc then they'll close off and won't listen to your arguments any further
@@muenchhausenmusic respect for the effort
@@muenchhausenmusicNah, I actually think OP is right on reducing this guy's points to "be nice to everyone".
Yours is an expansion this guy wasn't capable of. There might be merit to it but I still think not handing out platforms willy nilly for fascists is necessary.
Trying to be reasonable and accommodating towards fans/"normies" can work, but it has its limits. If someone wants to get pipelined into the alt right then at some point down the line it becomes their choice and therefore their accountability. Compassion isn't worth anything if it isn't tempered with accountability
Unfortunately, this is the basic Kanye fan argument about all this though. Super frustrating
Can’t separate art from the artist if the artist doesn’t separate themself from the art.
beautiful, big titty, butt-naked women just don't fall out the sky, you know?
Not banging tubby
Yes you can, what the fuck?
You can't say how the music sounds because you disagree with some of the things presented in it? That's literally crazy.
What does this even mean? Kanye IS music? Kanyes is less separate from his music than any/every other musician?
Bars
@@Xvladin Quiet child.
Remember, the real divisiveness is calling out Ye, not Ye pulling a Jordan Peterson and using his music to legetamize his radical stances.🙄 What a silly argument
"when do things go too far?" great question. if you are LGBTQ and/or black, you understand that some people are arbitrarily against you, and your life could depend on it. some people don't feel their lives depend on nothing but themselves. I wonder why
Difference is that I, as a broke ass white guy, have more in common with a broke ass black man than a broke ass LGBTQ+ person has with a rich ass LGBTQ+ person lol
"I'm stopping you before you harm yourself, because self-harm is against TOS on Twitch"😆
Lmfaooo that part was so funny
Mr Duplee looks like an actor in a teen drama movie portraying someone with anger issues who is about to snap at any moment
I wish this guy was acting, this is so hard to watch
the idealized form of the Destiny fan
Truly sad sight to see, two bald men arguing instead of standing together in solidarity, the real polarization no one is mentioning 😢
I can't imagine having as much patience as Fantano talking to Duplee.
Fantano: "Destiny called for the death of people he didn't agree with"
Duplee: "Well ok, but you kind of do the same thing right?"
Fantano: *blank stare*
LMAO
For the record Destiny said he didn't care if the roiters got shot. He shouldn't have said it but it was a rant about people causing violence, destroying property and making BLM look bad.
@@hellsjamfleas I mean even if you for whatever fucked up reason think that their behaviour legitimises their death. Twitch has guidelines where saying stuff like this is mentioned. You agree to them when you broadcast on the platform. You don't comply with them. You get banned.... what is there to argue about ?
I love how some people think that both sides are the same. Constant amusement with that fine tidbit
Its funny because Destiny never called for the death of anyone. He essentially said Hassan should kill himself, and his justification for that is Hassan is an objectively shitty person.
@@hellsjamfleas You're sugarcoating what he said. His exact words were "I wish the redneck militia dudes would mow down those protesters"
His views on how Hitler rose to power are insane.
“Chronically online fanboy debates a rational adult human” would be a great alternative title
Fantano is a human being too, just as fallible. Not this bastion of rationality as you'd imply. I mean the guy asked for examples why Destiny is considered "extreme" and Fantano immediately attacks the guy calling him a "moron", simply for asking for an example.
Chronically online fanboy.... you mean fantano? his channel is literally dedicated to fanboying music and tearing down artists
@@WeJamminmaybe because he is a music critic like you taught you were making sense with this rubbish statement 😂
@@nathanakpe4897 he’s not a very good music critic because he reviews music based on his emotions instead of a logical standpoint , kinda explains why he acts like a whiney little crybaby liberal 🤡
@@nathanakpe4897bros literally obsessed with kanye more than us kanye fans r
“We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.”
―James Baldwin
I wrote a biography about James Baldwin, 800 words, pretty light
@@Itz2wice Cool!
Maybe this fight wasn't fair because Fantano has much more media experience and doesn't have brain rot, but jesus... this guy got bodied. Felt like bullying.
Duplee almost got a million subs though. He should be experienced by now.
Meh, talk shit get hit
@@felixorozco4055duplee doesnt even have 100k yet
Fantano is not gonna talk to someone who he feels he can lose to. that is why he takes shots on twitter against Destiny for example but will never dare to talk to him
@@casko9626fantano is really good at making dumb guys sound like morons so to say
This was exhaustinggggg. Really salute Anthonys patience with this dude lmao
Nice pfp lad
All this over a TERRIBLE album
"Im not saying that! Im saying [exact same thing]"
-this guy
It seems impossible to separate the art from the artist the more famous the artist is, because that artist has made their art synonymous with the persona they had to sell to get their art in the spotlight in the first place. No matter how separated the subject matter of the piece itself is, if youre familiar with the artist's opinions or actions outside of it, that shit is going to change the perspective.
roman polanski?
@@mike04574 A lot of the public, including entire countries like France, purposely "seperating the artist from the art" because they like Polanski's output is the reason why he's had such a long and successful career without suffering from real serious consequences. This will always be a spectre that haunts his films and whatever messaging within them.
@k1916 It doesn't help that the victim of Roman herself is completely right wing and radical. She got mad at me for calling her a victim and claims the real enemy was the media for harassing her during the ordeal (and, I mean, they are a problem, but...so is Roman). She protects him, France protects him, Hollywood protects him.
That ending was brutal. His final thoughts were a Scooby-Doo running sound effect for three minutes. Then he got dunked on without realizing it, then he begged for a crumb before oozing through a grate in the floor.
Asking to come back on the show to discuss another topic was so cringe
made me laugh
I don’t understand why these people think no one is allowed to criticize them ever for their opinions. At what point are we allowed to say “hey you’re a shitty person and I don’t like you for this reason”? Why is Jordan Peterson allowed to endlessly criticize and dehumanize trans people but no one is allowed to criticize him in return? No one is saying he’s not allowed to speak, we’re saying we’re allowed to criticize you, and that’s OUR freedom of speech at work. And NO ONE is entitled to a platform, literally no one: you have a right to free speech, you don’t have a right to a platform or an audience or immunity from criticism.
Because they know they're wrong. If they thought they were right, they would welcome debate. Jordan Peterson had the Canadian Bar Association come out to say that HE SPECIFICALLY was wrong about bill C-16. To this day, nobody has even been charged under C-16 while Jordan Peterson continues to claim that Canadians are being jailed for misgendering people. He is wrong, he knows he is wrong, and he wants people to stop telling him he is wrong because it hurts his feelings.
@troducing9481Way to use no nuance at all bigot
@troducing9481no, YOU’RE projecting. The consequences of that bill Jordan warned about never happened, no one is being jailed or charged for misgendering people, get a grip weirdo
@troducing9481 and then he started grifting because he was already getting pushed in a direction, and that direction really liked him.
I used to watch his old lectures and they were a great addition to the psychology courses i was already taking at uni, truly hurts to see a dude go from explaining the implications of certain concepts to dogwhistling, drug abuse etc.
@@Ben_Hardhe was prescribed those drugs by a doctor. And he didn’t abuse them, he just couldn’t get off them without adverse side effects. It was a mistake and now those drugs are qualified as dangerous by the FDA. He’s also not grifting. He genuinely believes his stuff
When Fantano goes into a debate knowing he is going to body the opposing view point….chef’s kiss
Nah I don’t think he goes all “alright imma beat him up with arguments” 😂😂
I kinda feel bad for the guy he got on, he made a dumb video defending a dumb take and made the mistake of doing absolutely no preparation for this discussion
Meanwhile you've got Anthony who is a well spoken, passionate guy who has considered this topic many times over the years and came in with notes ready to go
all he did was say that he isn’t going to be fair towards a kanye review anymore because even when he was generous and nice about his review he still got hate so he’s not gonna try anymore and be fair with the reviews and the music. which makes no sense. he’s a reviewer that’s his job to have good integrity reviews and to be fair. why just because people are gonna hate no matter what he says that he doesn’t have to make a good review and be fair. that’s just lazy, he should hold a standard that he goes by no matter the backlash but to him it’s okay to be lazy with the review because people are gonna hate regardless
@@KanyeNuts Yeah, fantano's a grown child who spends too much time on twitter and you see the impact. It's such a different, refreshing feeling when you look back at Fantano's videos f.e. 5 years ago. It seems that he's maturing backwards, like Kanye and Drake.
@@SM-ef7yp dude maturation to you is political neutrality. Ur a simpleton
This Duplee guy seems somewhat well-intentioned, just not very well-informed. He thinks radicalization results from cultural polarization and unwillingness to meet people where they’re at in public discourse, when radicalization really roots from economic disillusionment and the exploitation of that suffering by demagogues who scapegoat marginalized groups. He almost gets it at one point too. He’s just got normie brain, never encountered a materialist analysis
He cannot structure an argument nor is he intelligent enough to defend his argument. Fantano knows this. Everyone I’ve ever seen Fantano “debate” with, simply has no idea how to say what they want to say, they cannot structure an arguement.
"They wouldn't have leaked actual cp if Twitch hadn't been so aggressive in their pursuit of justice"
Bro had me stun locked after hearing that💀
I can’t believe Fantano lended his time to this kid who would fail an 8th grade debate class
There is a scene in the Chun Li film where M. Bison is using the dead body of a liutenant as a punching bag. Watching this reminded me of that.
This guy got bodied by the Melon.
The brother is misguided because he cannot understand nuance at all lmao. He thinks nuance is just saying all sides are both good and bad instead of seeing the gradients lmao. This debatebro generation is cooked because their role models are all cooked too goddamn
What being a Destiny fan does to a mf
New jesse pinkman and walter white dropped
Average destiny watcher. Yaps a lot and stands for absolutely nothing.
"how am I suppose to feel about that?"
"yes... I made fun of you"
- Gold
He’s worried about being unproductive but he comes into this talk completely unprepared and just asks the dumb “what can we do” instead of offering anything valuable. He just wanted to have the shallow “we should all understand each other and not be mean talk.
People outside of the US talking about our political discourse is always hilarious.
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I get so annoyed with my Canadian friends who think they know everything about the US.
Never heard of Duplee til today. I can see the central raw point of what he wants to get at, but dude’s biggest problem here is that he takes the “pragmatism and logic only” stance of pseudo neutrality so hard that he doesn’t provide a form of combating poison in any way that would, by his own standard, be “conducive and effective.”
It’s the epitome of an edgy teenager thinking they’re ahead because they don’t get caught up in their emotions or whatever, and any degree of contextualizing pathos is “polarizing and illogical.”
"if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
Except he definitely does get caught up in his emotions when someone criticizes his actions or voices any opinion whatsoever. It’s like he believes you should be able to say whatever you want, unless it’s responding to another person saying whatever they want.
@@nondescriptcat5620I grew up thinking Permanent Waves was a collection of nice drums and guitars and something about how awesome rock is, or something. It was More 80s Rock.
The past 5 years have really shifted my feelings on it as a whole. It might be the most modern album to ever come out of the 1980s, and possibly one of the most important musical works of the past 50 years. Basically every line is a hauntingly familiar concept that constantly flits back into my head as I go through life. Shivers, really.
oh the other guy was so wholly unprepared. Homie got fucking wrecked.
Only 10 minutes in and fantano’s little passive aggressive sarcastic remarks are giving me life
did this guy really just try to say someone’s a pedoph!le because twitch has rules…..??????????
“I find that hard to believe…” bruh. you really did not do ANY preparation, huh?
what even was this guys actual argument
@@fabledhour we stan a live commenter
@@Grownupfun hahaha thank you I’ll be here all week
1:19:30: great point here. Would much rather be on the right side of history than be the most likable person to all walks of life.
The lights seem too bright for Duplee here. He’s all over the place. Hilarious watching a grown man shrink like this
Barley grown, apparently he graduated high school in 2022. This debate should humble him
Duplee is like 20 years old; he shouldn't have agreed to do this in the first place
@@SquidsAgainstChickenshe is really young and alot to learn
U Definitely have been bullied or publicly humiliated in order to find this funny.
i don’t even think fantano’s original argument had to do with separating the the artist from the art. only that in the context of this review, it’s futile to try and add anything to a discussion where both sides of an argument will attack you for different reasons. fantano didn’t delete his reviews of kanye’s prior material… kids see ghosts still has a 10, MBDTF has a 6 (for better or worse), donda has a 7, and TLOP has an 8. he simply said that this review wasn’t worth his time due to the context of kanye’s current rhetoric and the hyper-polarization surrounding his music. it’s kanye’s cult-like fans vs those he’s literally victimized. and on top of that, kanye’s views are literally presented in the aesthetics and lyrics of the album. you can’t separate the rhetoric from the art because kanye purposefully made them inseparable. it’s insane so many people don’t get it.
I'm only 27 min in and I know Duplee cannot recover from how badly he's lost this one. He's all in the middle and not taking a stand.
This guy basically doesnt like getting dunked on for being dumb. Thats his whole thing. People should stop telling him bad things because of what he thinks.
He's basically just saying "people should be able to say whatever they want without anyone reacting negatively"
"why can't we all just get along" or some other shit you say when you have nothing to defend yourself with lmao
Melon cooked
Duplee was cooked
Anthony was pretty fundamental in establishing mainstream online music discourse, now he has to debate sympathizing idiots who think that admitting ignorance is somehow a noble endeavor.
Dude couldn't debate his way out of a drive thru, this was really painful. "Hold on I'm not finished--" but doesn't have a great point to finish to begin with. "That's not what I'm saying--" but says the same thing just in another way. "What about--" my guy you can try all you want but those points aren't valid either. Things also need to be based in some semblance of truth, and nearly everyone else that he brings up is a notorious liar / manipulator / etc.
"I get what you're saying but--" no, no you don't.
I love Duplee's videos, but after hearing what he did in the congo back in the 1900s I just can't see his art the same way
Check his closet, there might be some limbs in there
"i'm not a centrist i swear" _proceeds to advocate for centrism_
I dont think he realizes he has centerist tendencies
what's wrong with being a centrist?
@@user-gy9cx4dc9o Centrism is an idealogy that assumes that ones complacency in oppression has no direct role in the hand of oppression directly benefiting the oppressor. Knowers of this fact commonly claim 'centrist beliefs' to avoid ridicule.
@@user-gy9cx4dc9owhere did anyone say there was something wrong with being a centrist???
@@noahundftd it's more implied
All I can say Anthony has more patience than I could ever have
I feel like there was no argument here. This guy had no idea what he wanted to say. Fantano cooked him.
1:15:00 I didn’t know public execution was allowed on UA-cam oml 😭😭
"horrible that he had a platform to collect pictures on teensagers...but" is the wildest fuckin thing I've heard in a long time... GG's on keeping it together, Melon
This dude's approach to polarization is ridiculously undialectical. Literally no concept of the world outside the internet, my gosh
It's sad, I think I get what this guy's trying to say - he talks a lot about polarization and conflict of ideas, but what he really wants is for people to not hate each other, which I think is admirable. The problem is though, he believes that the thing that's bringing all the hatred into our lives is ideological disagreement, when in reality, (as Anthony pointed out), It's systemic issues whose causes have been unrightfully shifted onto racial and social minorities as scapegoats. If he really wants the things he says, arguing with melon here isn't going to do anything to achieve that.
He didnt deserve to get grilled so publicly. He wasnt even entirely wrong but he went to places where he didnt know what he was talking about and he really needed sombody to explain to him (not in a demeaning way) why he was saying incorrect things. He was just saying we should be more empathetic when explaining to right wingers why what they belive is wrong.
@@eblaser7407 some people can be deradicalized but most of them don't care about reason, they don't care about facts, they won't change their minds with a bottle of milkie and a diaper change. The steven universe perspective of dealing with far right people is childish and its childish to blame anyone to the left of them as being the reason they are far right because they don't want to take responsibility for their own politics. Sometimes calling crazy crazy and exposing that crazy to as many normal people as possible is the best idea
This kid talking in circles trying to justify endorsing problematic people. What a joke...
Fantano having his Shawn Cee vs. Mojave moment
fuck mojave!!!
34:31 When he said that Anthony "kinda does the same thing" i.e advocates for murder I fucking lost it. Duplee's whole argument was a flaming pile of garbage.
Anthony was completely wrong there though, Destiny's take on the matter was both morally and legally 100% justified, Fantano is just a smug coward who purposely took it out of context against someone who clearly wasn't prepared in the slightest.