Exactly. I was hoping she was more involved in his kit - like she would be the one attacking during his skill/burst 🥲 Yuegui gets more love with Yaoyao’s kit than Changsheng with Baizhu’s when Changsheng had voicelines in the quests 😞
@@iloveplumpgrannies174 I mean tbh I'd just give Ningguang a frostbearer, she has no hp scaling (other than the jade screen hp which is mostly useless anyway).
@@sticky4401 I didn’t kno it was memed on lmfao I seen some ppl use Mona as a healer and after I found out how it was done I jus use it whenever those ugly wolves pop up😭
The fact that his snake is nothing more than a talking scarf is insulting. Kaveh has more interaction with his *suitcase* than Baizhu has with the damn snake!!!
@@jeffhensen5607 well true. Mhy's fault for making a spiritvein animation white-green and not that distinguishable. (The snake shape is there but still...)
Honkai star rail is coming out this month, which is hypothesized to be their main project, so you’ll see more lazy work in the following genshin updates.
@@Brandidnt624 i dont really know, but from what i get from half of this video, baizhu is like another dehya, but with team heal (without counting their damage )
@@KinDiedYesterday i really dont think he is going to be a bad unit at all, because hes a healer, people trash talked kokomi too, baizhus damage doset matter as long as he heals so its fine
@@Indian_gae_boii yea we just need time to see if they got any better later. Just like kokomi and kazuha, people dont realize their potential when they were released
@@KinDiedYesterday because dehya is supposed to be dps, the stakes were very high for her but because baizhu is just a support and a healer he dosent need to be impressive outside of his role in order to be good
I am so sad how no ones ever remembers Tighnari when considering who to pair Baizhu with. I have been looking forward to Baizhu for my Tighnari spread team because that is a team where a) res to interruption is needed, b) Yao Yao is very uncomfortable because if your character is missing even a little HP the radish will heal you instead of enemies (who you are *shooting at* from a distance) and c) Tighnari is better in single target situations so its a match made in heaven
Not really If you’re character’s hp is lower than 70% it’ll target you If it’s above 70% it’ll target the enemies And also if you have c1 yaoyao you want the radish to hit you cuz you’d get dendro dmg bonus + stamina restoration
@@tsyganko I have a couple of questions for you if you don’t mind 1-how much distance are you taking about exactly ? Because if you’re too far from the enemy yuegui won’t target them even if you have full hp 2-what type of enemies are you talking about when you need that much distance ?
This has been a trend for all 5 star weapons recently that when they say a weapon is a "signature weapon", it doesn't mean "best option on the character", it means "can only be used on that chracter and no one else"
I'm pulling for Jadefall anyhow. It's one of the most beautiful catalysts in the game. The best looking catalyst for me is the Memory of Dust followed by Jadefall Splendor, then Kagura's Verity.
Oh my god Zajeff. Not only did I know that you were already mathematical, elemental gaigical, abbyssmatic, smart, intelligent, and just... theorycrafter overall, that you deserve this pre-release analysis, but now, I really can see... you getting rewarded for once, when every other time you've been xiangling
i was looking for this because the top 3 or 4 youtubers that we all know are going to upload sensational titles and thumbnails in their videos. they all do that. then in team comp they NEVER use those characters!! They overrate every character. They lie!
I love your pre and psot release analyzes. I can't wait for Kavehs review. He's really hard for me to figure out so your insights will be really helpful :D
It depends on the situation BUT if you stand near the closet enemy itll do both... so it works that way in single target... but yeah her skill is meant for dendro application primarily and it does do that well
@@johnd7760 Baizhu's resist to innterupt and heals and buffs makes him more comfortable than Nahida, Nahida is just a stat stick honestly. It's the reason people prefer the wanderer over Xiao, more versetile even if weaker
@@johnd7760 c2 is expensive bro. Baizhu is better than Nahida for multi wave content with Cyno since you don't need to swap back to Nahida to reapply dendro if you use Baizhu once the enemy dies.
@John D alot of cyno players already have nahida but we needed another dendro applicator for off field. A shielder. And healer. Most people will use both + a hydro for hyper like xingqiu -myself-, yelan, etc or another electro for aggravate. For me, I'm a c6 cyno who needs baizhu for all 3 things he applies. I will be using my c0 nahida as well and xingqiu.
The only reason i want to pull for him is that he's a healer. Other than that i hate his pants Also bleed enemies a pain the arse, pulling for healers might be the best choice for me
my current team is fischl, barbara, Yao yao and I main qiqi. I'm tryna replace yaoyao with baizhu and I'm not a fan of kuki so I hope we get a new electro healer soonnn. I also want kokomi rly bad I'm tryna replace Barbra fr
recently hoyo made some... questionable design choices while working on last few characters It almost feels like they really don't want to make a dendro support, that's even tiny bit close to Nahida's performance. Anyway! I'm putting my clown shoes on and waiting for Baizhu's banner to arrive, proto amber is already r5 90
@Zaraki chill, it's not really about Nahida, but since she is currently the best dendro support in the game people will compare new characters to her. On the other hand being "just a healer" doesn't bring enough to the table, does it? In the end, he's a dendro unit, so Hoyo would have to try extra hard to make him bad.
@Zaraki hes like as good as Yaoyao who is a 4 star... and was free to choose when she released lol. they are right too they don't want anyone close to her in a support settings. right now healers need a purpose other than just healing to be considered good. but the nature of him being dendro makes up for that.
@Zaraki people doompost about every single new character, especially when the character in question has some questionable cooldowns or energy requirements. Imo Baizhu is going to be good, but he could have been amazing, if he had more range on his m1 attacks, or if his burst had a bit of aoe.
@@aliceinscaryland no no, he got a point. Nahida fans are actually shit just like yelan and shogun, they won't shut up like how they are always the best character in the game and won't stop comparing to other characters while nobody even mentioned them, meanwhile a lot of people could speedrun any content in the game without those said characters 😂
Here's the interesting thing though; Mihoyo already planned for that. The Husks do their shield rage mechanic if they hit your shield. If I'm not mistaken, the shield rage effect persist until the shield breaks meaning Baizu is unaffected since the shields don't persist or refresh. It's a new shield every time unlike Thoma's which stacks. I wouldn't be surprised if Fountaine is designed with mobs and bosses punishing players for having thick or long lasting shields. Probably encouraging healing and face tanking with units with high HP or some form of damage mitigation without the use of shields.
I was so confused thinking you meant the artifact set. 😂 Not all Shadow Husk enemies can penalize you for using a shield. In 12-2, I've found that immediately killing the Pyro guy takes away the threat of a mob shield being generated. If you can't kill them that quickly, you can still just dodge their swings because they're easy to telegraph.
31:37 probably the biggest caveat to pulling for Baizhu because Yaoyao is not only a 4-star, but you're pretty much almost always guaranteed her because of Lantern Rite(assuming they rerun the choose a 4-star reward every year). I think people are severely underselling his strength because of that, but as someone that has been waiting for him since 1.0, I am absolutely gonna pull for him 💀
Don’t worry having a good alternative 4 star option devaluing pull value of a 5 star is a short sighted problem. Every 5 star will have their 4 star similar equivalent release some point in the future, just a matter of when. Just enjoy your character for now, it’s not lower value in the long run.
I think hyper raiden is baizhu's best slot. his low dendro app means kazuha can keep swirling, and his healing consolidates raiden, & fischl+kazu can help battery him
I'd say he's somewhere between YaoYao and Nahida. People always forget his skill hits up to 3 enemies, which most times is enough AoE for Quicken in floor 12. Still, kind of sad how HYV did him somewhat dirty after years of keeping us waiting. If either his reaction buff was party-wise instead or his Dendro application had a good AoE he still wouldn't powercreep Nahida, I just don't get why his power level is that underwhelming. Anyway, I'm still pulling, probably slotting him in my Tighnari team.
He's still helpful regardless for cyno. He's a healer, shielder wnd off field applicator. Paired with nahida and xingqiu will make for a comfy team comp. This coming from a c6 cyno user.
Exactly..this guy is so bent on the "no aoe" thing without trying him. Especially after c1 he will cover most enemies. He also miscalculated the clam set. If he is healing 7k per character that's a good 28k. Also he is great for nilou for the dendro shield, with dendro application, and heals. Of course he wont apply like Nahida but he is healing too.
@@zkart8038 Nilou? nah, he aint any better than yaoyao in that team, might even be worse since (going off memory, correct me if im wrong) his dendro application is slower than yaoyao’s meaning that Baizhu would cause some of the blooms, youd lose alot of damage since he would have max HP build with no regards towards EM whatsoever, Unless you build him full EM which…. is pointless since yaoyao is always there m
@@addedpole lol I love how everybody already assumes he's gonna have bad application without actually using him. His healing will track you regardless where you are. Whereas yao yao will get knocked away further from her bunny. Yao yao's application seems more random and less controlled. His charged attack enough before switching can apply dendro a good aoe. And his passive buff to bloom reaction make like a lesser applier compared to Nahida, while providing higher survivability and actual healing to the part. For Nilou the dendro shield will be good.
I never use him as a single defensive option. It's either burgeon with Bennet/YaoYao, or hyperburgeon with Kuki, or shieldbot for Wanderer with Bennet.
depends how you build him, he lets me clear floor 12 with Yoimiya as a solo defensive option (with Kazu and Yun Jin) even though he's ATK, pyro, crit with The Catch. Maybe cause he's lv 89 double crowned I guess so I still have decent HP. also I still dodge sometimes, mostly after her combo or when on other characters so it's not as comfy as Zhongli but more dmg in my case
@@maxzaharov89 Probably would mean that BaizhuThoma teams aka Thozhu teams would be good or at least decent. Burgeon is already AoE and producing too many isn't healthy since only 2 instances of damage can be registered on enemy at a given timeframe. Thoma's covered by Baizhu's healing and the lack of shielding Baizhu has is covered by Thoma. Synergy confirmed.
i loved baizhus design since i saw him 2 years ago and im so excited to have him after saving for 4 months when i heard he was coming!!! its just nice that he also has synergy with cyno, a unit i really liked but didnt feel great playing :D cant wait to get him
Initially wanted to pull for him to increase comfort in Nilou team, but his application does not seem that good in AOE situation so i decided to just go for Nahida's C2. Good luck for those who want to pull though, seems good for Alhaitham and Cyno teams.
@@EkkusuHayate i think that Nilous passive that boosts em when hit doesn't work if you're hit with a shield so i guess youd still be better off with Yaoyao also because she's insane in aoe
@@idkxd7 Interesting question. Considering how small his shields are, Nilou's blooms should be able to penetrate them even with absorption bonus. When they break the shield, shouldn't her passive work since afaik shield breaking hit sets the according elemental aura?
As alhaithem main it’s like yea, but quickbloom is better and more fun than spread so there’s no reason to get bashu, esp if u have nahida/Yaoyao already
@@EkkusuHayate yeah it might be enough to break it but consider that the shield has 250% dendro res and the bloom damage its around 500 so you basically get nothing on hit. You would need a lot of blooms and it's not a reliable way of getting the buff. And again, Nilou shines in aoe and Baizhu being mostly single target its not that great
Can't wait to not have enough primos to pull for Baizhu and lose my 50/50, woo! Cyno aggravate is really... well, aggravating for me to run right now, so Baizhu would be a VERY welcome addition to the roster. I've been waiting for a Dendro shielder for a while!
@@johnd7760 Zhongli in Aggravate is kinda strange...? Zhongli isn't made for aggravate. He doesn't benefit from Quicken. He doesn't give you resonance.
@@sandwich3659 He shreds and can hold petra for more electro dmg, besides strong ass shield. Many use him in dendro teams, it's not smth weird. Again, we'll see how significant change Baizhu will offer to pull him and replace him and/or yaoyao
I’m looking forward to baizhu for my tighnari team instead of zhongli so I can run double dendro double electro, and the res to interruption is so nice for tighnari
I've been having issues with team building around my c1r1 cyno, baizhu is genuinely a godsend. Even if he's not as good as zhongli or yaoyao, the fact he does one singular thing well and has synergy with Electro makes him miles better for my purposes.
You don't understand how insane theory crafting this man gets. I love your content, lots of information to unpack here and amazing explaination. Props to the research and set up you had. Not to mention the amount of walking through you did for us is absolutely amazing. Thank you so much for this.
wait i just realized the artifact section, that's fully wrong. in non-dendro teams where he doesn't need deepwood, clam is the best contributor to tdps. these calcs have already been done.
@@heinzkohl7739 yaoyao doesn't proc dendro often and has to switch between hitting enemies or healing you. Her burst is great. She's fine for a 4* but in this case? Off field Dendro applicator + shielder + healer is better for cyno teams. For me I'm using cyno, nahida, xingqiu, baizhu
People can keep doomposting as much as they want but as a cyno main who is TIRED of getting smacked to oblivion when im on his burst and dendro applicators ending LOONG before his burst does. I NEED HIM NOW. Also because I love him
I'm so mad they made him second phase. Now I'm having to chose between wasting my garanteed pity on Nahida and hope I manage to pull Baizhu, or skipping Nahida all together which is also a bummer
Go for nahida and ty your luck with baizhu, even if Baizhu is vastly better than the theorycrafters say he is, he is still not going to be on the same level as nahida
Watching zajef''s analysis usually helps a lot when I'm deciding on who to pull or build, but I'm still conflicted after this. I play both Cyno and a Yae aggravate team, and he'd be a solid upgrade for both. But... it doesn't really feel like he's enough of an upgrade to pull an entire 5-star for. On the other hand... I do have pretty much all 5-stars I actually want/need, so I could afford the pulls. Hmm...
Since Baizhu is second half banner and around that time we can already get leaks on the upcoming new character or potential rerun so you can decide whether to pull for him or see if you like the upcoming characters. He'll really be good with Cyno so that's a plus factor to pull but it's fine if you're satisfied with his team.
since he's coming in the second half of 3.6 I would wait for the 3.7 livestream and see if there are going to be any upcoming characters that you're interested in and if not then pull, but obviously if you really like/want him then pull
Hes not rl needed if u have zhong anyway. May as well waste ur pulls for Nahida c1-2,will help Cyno more... and literally every team that can proc quicken..
@Yasper cons are a waste of pulls though. You can get a whole new character that you can use in various teams instead of just unlocking a buff for a character that is already pretty broken at C0.
This is definitely giving me a flashback to the whole Barbara vs Kokomi debate when she first came out. Obviously healers aren’t the most necessary units the game, I feel like most players favour either shields or heals. So it’s going to come down to whether you pull Baizhu because you like his design or you’re a fan of healers and want another one
The nuance is Kokomi is actually a noticeable upgrade over Barbara due to aoe application which a huge deal for nilou and ayaka teams. Baizhu over YaoYao depends how a player would value more healing, every 2.5s resistance to interruption and a pretty meh buff on reactions. From what I've seen most people are doing just fine with YaoYao in terms of survivability and would rather have consistent off-field aoe dendro app, unfortunately Baizhu does not offer that. His main strength is healing.
yea back then the discusion about Kokominand Barbara really heat up till KQM discover that Kokomi has no icd on her jelly fish, also Kokomi can be solid ToM user. while if you only wanna have Barbara as hydro in freeze team with ToM..... its pain man. i use Ayaka and Barbara back then before kokomi comes out and ooofffff, i need hugging my enemies.
They nerfed Barbara Bloom generation and buffed Kokomi ICD. Any discussion about them is pointless since it's clear they force you to use Kokomi over Barbara so it wasn't fair to begin with for Barbara.
one thing Mr zajeff , you should take into consideration is that ppl watch your videos because they are struggling not because you don't struggle in abyss so you should set the tone for you video in a way that makes it sound as you are helping ppl n not bragging that you don't need the healing in abyss.
The problem I see with Deepwood on Baizhu is that he doesn't have much AoE. So he can't effectively reduce Dendro RES on all of the enemies. I'll be using him on the same team as Nahida. Even though she can deal much more Dmg than Baizhu, I still think she is much better suited to wield the Deepwood set thanks to her amazing AoE (able to consistently hit all enemies with her Dendro Attacks, thus reducing all enemies' Dendro Res). I know she could do more personal base damage with Gilded Dreams for example, but I feel like she's way better at using Deepwood compared to Baizhu. So I'll probably keep her on Deepwood, and give Baizhu some other support set or healing set (or 2pc / 2pc combinations). What do you think?
I sent this video to a friend of mine today, her response sums Baizhu's entire kit, she said : If a dendro support needs Nahida, who is also a support, to actually work, is he really worth it in the first place?
Well I pull for nahida and then gor kaveh on baizhu's banner I'd be fine if I got him at early pity or lose 50/50 He is literally a white snake reference
Even after watching this analysis I'm still struggling choosing between getting Baizhu or building Yaoyao, I want a dendro healer for my Alhaitham Quickbloom team (Alhaitham, XQ, EM Raiden, Dendro Healer). Building Yaoyao would also give me a reason to go for Nilou or get some Nahida cons but Baizhu seems more comfortable to play due to not needing any on-field time. Finding out that his buff only affects the on-field character has made me lean towards Yaoyao since that buff from Baizhu was what was initially making me go for him for my Quickbloom team. I'll wait a bit longer to see if more people talk about Baizhu in this specific team, pretty sadge he's in the second half so I have to figure out whether or not I want to get him before Nilou/Nahida banners go away.
Well i have the same al haitham team and i personally am using yao yao her heals are decent so you can run her but if you have kuki it is better to play alhaitham with xq kuki and nahida which is the best team for him so if you have both kuki and nahida it is better to play that team than with raiden yao yao
@@mahdi2268 It would be definitely be better to use Kuki + Nahida and I've thought about building Kuki, but I really like how long Raiden's E lasts (25seconds vs 15seconds) and how fast it triggers (0.9seconds vs 1.5seconds).
@@TisNotFlakey 15 seconds is still enough to cover Alhaitham's full uptime and the trigger speed doesn't make that much difference really, since Kuki has I think 4 extra applications from her burst, which you can cast right after Alhaitham's one, and another 3 per rotation if you have her C4. More importantly, Nahida will buff your Alhaitham SO much more and do much more damage compared to Baizhu or Yaoyao. It is worth it.
Overall he's gonna be fine and is not nearly as bad as some make him out to be. He's not gonna be Nahida levels of broken, but also not Dehya levels of broken 💀 He's like a sidegrade of YaoYao where he's better in some comps and worse in others depending on whether the comps can fit YaoYao's on-field time without negatively impacting Team DPS.
Yeah mostly just Dendro oversaturation and Yaoyao releasing before him so "Dendro Healer" isnt as big of a selling point anymore. A good state for a character to be in, you can use him if you like him but skipping him wont deprive you of options.
People are disappointed because they wanted Nahida's replacement and they were being hyped up by a conspiracy that Baizhu being Liyue character would get some special treatment and will be T0
his buff only applying to the active character is really sad for hyperbloom teams it's like he's specifically made for Cyno more than anyone else thanks for the info, now i'm confident about skipping
It really does not matter that his shield sucks. If you assume Skill Level 9 and HP between 30000 and 40000 then you will have over the bursts duration between 18000 and 23000 healing.
Come here after the stream. I didn’t expect Zajef to upload this pre-release so soon but hey, no harm watching it again. Anyway, I think Baizhu is one of the best design character. pretty balancing and quite unique. him being a sidegrade version of Yaoyao with strength and weakness in their share of team archetype is pretty good from balancing perspective. it also make team building more interesting. It kinda sad that people doesn’t like him because he’s mid as if being mid is bad thing when it’s actually not.
Why do I feel like it's about time to switch to vertical investing nothing seems to be doing anything but atleast some stuff like C2 Kazuha, Nahida, Yelan, Raiden would be doing so much ngl
Hmm what keeps me from pulling cons is that a lot of vertical investment is just "big numbers", and doesn't really change gameplay like a new character can. I like making/trying new team comps and building new characters rather than just making all your numbers 20 or 40% bigger like C2 Nahida or Raiden does.
@@aerohydra3849 what innovative or interesting gameplay does Baizhu provide that you say he's still more worth over some cons I listed? Is an E Q bot that innovative or it's part of liking him and you might say you didn't even mention Baizhu but my main comment fully refers to Baizhu.
@@thebrigade7684Horizontal investment doesn't mean you need to pull every single character released and with fontaine about to come out, im pretty sure hoyoverse will bring something new to the characters especially focalor the upcoming hydro archon. Vertical investment almost 80% of the time is just a bigger number so unless you're still struggling abyss or you really love the characters, its not really worth it and gets boring really fast imo
@@jehezz it's also boring to bench the characters you pull for because they aren't performing well like the most popular main DPS is still hu Tao since 1.3 but then there's cases like Ganyu or Venti who fell off so hard that it's honestly scary
@@thebrigade7684 I mean for me the fact that he has unique animations, passives, and he's a new character to build for makes him inherently interesting to me. I don't really care for people calling characters "E-Q bots" when the core depth of the gameplay isn't about the inputs you press, it's about rotation crafting and mediating elemental auras. And also, at least for me, I never permabench a character, since I try out different team comps all the time. To be honest, everyone has a use, even those who you say "fell off". After the 36 star, there really is nothing to aim for so it's all about personal goals. If you like speedrunning and making characters hit bigger numbers then go for cons.
Kaveh seems best used in a freeze/bloom team. Hydro/cryo/dendro/anemo. An alternative for people who feel they need an anemo grouper in a bloom team that Nilou can't offer. Could be an interesting team.
@@jy1178 I mean he’ll probably be better in hyper bloom tbh, fridge is to bad for him to be a meaningful upgrade for it and hyperbloom is to to strong for him to have a better team with his lackluster personal damage. Also when it comes to Nilou and fridge teams he also just applies less dendro than his competition, making the fact that his blooms deal a bit more damage mean less when he just generates less of them.
Honestly all this time I was under the impression he was buffing entire parties' dendro reaction damage. Hearing he is not is kinda disappointing, especially when other Dendro characters provide em buffs that is universal to all characters (meaning melt and vape teams can also benefit from them). Due to that I thought that you could at least run him as a lone dendro applier/buffer in aggrevate/spread teams, but it seems like you will definitely need to run him with Nahida. He will still be a good unit, but much more conditional than he should be (which seems to be an ongoing trend for a lot of recent characters, which is definitely MHY playing psychological games with the playerbase).
Also keep in mind that being off field dendro applicator and healer is such a universal trait, that it can only get more valuable as more characters from new regions get released. So having him will be overall nicer than Yaoyao cuz you have to stay on field with her
@@sticky4401 With decent amount of dodging skills and enough hp Yaoyao can usually sustain your on-field character with just her skill. Also, I am positive that Dendro will receive indirect nerfs with Fontaine, because it is just too good at the moment, so I doubt his value as dendro applier will be any higher than it is going to be at his release. On the other hand, I do think that we may see a Fontaine dps character that will synergize with healers and turn all excess healing into damage, allowing healers to be more prevalent across the board (atm only healers that are used are Kuki, Kokomi and Yaoyao, while other are mostly neglected). At the end of the day, it is all about Future Impact and MHY's psychological warfare.
"Dendro characters provide em buffs that is universal to all characters" - uh? Most buffs are for active character only as well, at least if not considering 5-star constellations.
I was hoping for analysis of Ganyu Xiangling Bennett Baizhu. If his resistance to interruption is good enough, there is no point using Nahida over Xiangling. You can just play point blank range and be fine and this will then be the strongest Ganyu Melt Team because with burning and xiangling there should be enough Pyro to melt burst as well as charged shots. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it feels to play that once he comes out
@@wuttatota148 He only discussed the double Dendro variant. Xiangling applies more Pyro than Nahida's burning. Burning from Baizhu would just be a bonus so it doesn't matter that he only applies 1u. Of course it's just theories at this stage - I don't know how all the numbers add up and whether it will in fact be better than current Zhongli team
@@SeenE-kg9njwhat the point to play baizu if you already use Xiangling ? He does'nt do damage, burning is a joke in single target, he is very single target oriented, you have already Bennett for the healing, his shield is weak to the point you better bring a real shielder, he only buff burning and ONLY for the active character which is much of the time Ganyu who much prefer Nahida EM sharing. You better play him in other team.
Thanks for explaining how the shield works. I tried explaining it to people because I run Wanderer, Faruzan, Bennet, Thoma. Which lets me run my Hutao team with Zhongli on the other side.
I can't wait for you to do the Kaveh videos bro, because I want to know how I can build him so he does damage not blooms I'm happy he has a good use but I was hoping he could do damage himself
someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the buff applying only to the active means you have to use the electro character that's triggering the hyperblooms to get the buff right? Stuff like Kuki's skill triggering the hyperblooms won't get the buff?
Not to be that person but skill issue. Kuki is supposed to at low hp anyways and should only be on field to quickly cast her skill and sometimes her burst, which has i-frame
@@Kat-37i9 oh I know, I think at this point I just want a more comfier game play. Also I like Baizhu anyway and was thinking of how to utilise him in my current teams since I don't play any dendro team other tha hyperbloom. So protecting kuki is the justification I came up with 😂
@@zedeon6299 well kuki in floor 12 is a bit stressful indeed. Also, I don't have Cyno but I still want some use out of Baizhu so I am justifying it by putting him with Kuki 😂
While I don't think he's going to be as bad as a lot of people are saying I also don't like the idea the HYV seems to be limiting him per scaling to Nahida as to deliberately make him not as good as her. While the other dendro characters have varying degrees of viability it just kinda feels like they always have a little caveat or two that just makes them an inferior dendro option to Nahida in a way that the other elements with archons don't have to the same extent. With the other elements you have plenty of other good options (maybe except for geo because there's so few characters) but with dendro it just seems like everything always leads back to "just use Nahida".
Honestly, I now believe that it's not hyv limiting anymore, it's more like hyv moved on because they knew they fucked up and there should be no underlying effect that instant elemental application at all in the game since the first place. They can't even 'oh simple, we can just creates enemies that removes aura on itself' because it's not the auta that matters, it's the effect of her skill that ties them that will creates the aura... Thats how fucked up they are...
Welp, i'm not sure if it's even important, but i don't think Baizhu is THAT st focused in quicken teams. There's a thing Yaoyao's skill can't be repositioned. And you have to rely on rng in some cases. In BZ case you can reposition yourself and make quicken happen more reliable. It also works better for multiwave content. Not like it makes a big difference tho.
@@betulla96 No it doesn't, footage shows his skill not jumping around as fast as Beidou ult would so there will be a lot of times when some enemies have no dendro on them
I was honestly looking forward to him since his apperance 2+ years ago, but sounds like he’s going to be a mid utility support 😞 which is suprising since he’s from Liyue and his lore is quite prominent in the Liyue storyline.
Play the characters you like mate. This game isn’t hard. You’ll be much happier. My brother is a Eula and Dehya main and has a great time and still 36 stars the abyss (when he actually tries) :)
@@pyronado4320 I see what you’re saying, but character and kits are quite different especially when it comes to genshin. If you actually like the character, you’ll always do what you can to make them work and be the best they can be 💚
The best potential I see with a Baizhu is for my Cyno that lacks stagger resistance during his ultimate and needs ample field time so having an ultimate that last 14 sec off-field is quite nice, his biggest advantage over Yao Yao is that he does not require on-field time to heal so he is the only Dendro off-field healer we have as for now.
It kinda ticks me off that Chansheng is less relevant to Baizhu's animations than Kaveh's suitcase is for him.
Exactly. I was hoping she was more involved in his kit - like she would be the one attacking during his skill/burst 🥲 Yuegui gets more love with Yaoyao’s kit than Changsheng with Baizhu’s when Changsheng had voicelines in the quests 😞
Bruh, we waited 2 and half years. Incredibly disappointing that Changsheng is little more than a talking scarf.
Yuegui working more in Yaoyao's gameplay that Chansheng for Baizhu is so funny xD
he is so much more than changsheng, we gotta leave this narrative behind
@@prettyandrich And Xiangling is so much more than Gouba
Baizhu having lowest DEF might be to represent his poor health in the game.
i’m surprised it’s lower than collei’s lmao
@@cxrindgo well tbf Collei doesn’t have Eleazar anymore since it was cured at the end of the Archon Quest
Meanwhile his hp stat very high 👌🏼
That wouldnt make sense since hp would make more sense
@@POTATOLOVERRRR well he scales of hp so it wouldnt be good if he had low base hp
hoyo is such a kind company, they released Baizhu's signature weapon back in 1.0 so we wouldn't need to whale when he would be released
Prototype Amber r5 havers rise. No longer will we be memed on
@@sticky4401 i have 2 lvl 90 lol
Such an usefull weapon when you wanna play without a dedicated healer
@@sticky4401
I'm not taking away my Ningguang's R5 Prototype Amber so I'm pulling for Jadefall for my Baizhu.
@@iloveplumpgrannies174 I mean tbh I'd just give Ningguang a frostbearer, she has no hp scaling (other than the jade screen hp which is mostly useless anyway).
@@sticky4401 I didn’t kno it was memed on lmfao I seen some ppl use Mona as a healer and after I found out how it was done I jus use it whenever those ugly wolves pop up😭
The fact that his snake is nothing more than a talking scarf is insulting. Kaveh has more interaction with his *suitcase* than Baizhu has with the damn snake!!!
kaveh's briefcase doesnt have voicelines
uhmmm Changsheng is just a python gossipping she doesn't like fighting!!!
@@PrompiTomomi But they at least could've made his e and burst attacks look nore like snakes
@@jeffhensen5607 well true. Mhy's fault for making a spiritvein animation white-green and not that distinguishable. (The snake shape is there but still...)
Honkai star rail is coming out this month, which is hypothesized to be their main project, so you’ll see more lazy work in the following genshin updates.
Prototype Amber is such a good option for Baizhu that they had to buff his weapon to incentivize pulling
If that was their reason to buff him I really don’t know why they wouldn’t have buffed Dehya :/
@@Brandidnt624 i dont really know, but from what i get from half of this video, baizhu is like another dehya, but with team heal (without counting their damage )
@@KinDiedYesterday i really dont think he is going to be a bad unit at all, because hes a healer, people trash talked kokomi too, baizhus damage doset matter as long as he heals so its fine
@@Indian_gae_boii yea we just need time to see if they got any better later.
Just like kokomi and kazuha, people dont realize their potential when they were released
@@KinDiedYesterday because dehya is supposed to be dps, the stakes were very high for her but because baizhu is just a support and a healer he dosent need to be impressive outside of his role in order to be good
I am so sad how no ones ever remembers Tighnari when considering who to pair Baizhu with. I have been looking forward to Baizhu for my Tighnari spread team because that is a team where a) res to interruption is needed, b) Yao Yao is very uncomfortable because if your character is missing even a little HP the radish will heal you instead of enemies (who you are *shooting at* from a distance) and c) Tighnari is better in single target situations so its a match made in heaven
Not really
If you’re character’s hp is lower than 70% it’ll target you
If it’s above 70% it’ll target the enemies
And also if you have c1 yaoyao you want the radish to hit you cuz you’d get dendro dmg bonus + stamina restoration
@@barely-_-1422 Did you miss the part where I said "shooting from a distance"
Is Beidou's shield worse than his?
@@y.k.2143 Nope
@@tsyganko I have a couple of questions for you if you don’t mind
1-how much distance are you taking about exactly ?
Because if you’re too far from the enemy yuegui won’t target them even if you have full hp
2-what type of enemies are you talking about when you need that much distance ?
His signature weapon is just sad, I don't think anyone else can even proc it's passive other than him.
Tankfei lol
Tankfei lololol
@@joobin814 3 seconds only lol
This has been a trend for all 5 star weapons recently that when they say a weapon is a "signature weapon", it doesn't mean "best option on the character", it means "can only be used on that chracter and no one else"
I'm pulling for Jadefall anyhow. It's one of the most beautiful catalysts in the game. The best looking catalyst for me is the Memory of Dust followed by Jadefall Splendor, then Kagura's Verity.
Oh my god Zajeff. Not only did I know that you were already mathematical, elemental gaigical, abbyssmatic, smart, intelligent, and just... theorycrafter overall, that you deserve this pre-release analysis, but now, I really can see... you getting rewarded for once, when every other time you've been xiangling
??????? lmao
Average zyox enjoyer
Is this what having a stroke feels like?
zoomer humor lul
Oh my god Zyonix viewer 😳😳😳
That "Signature but not -200$" killed me
So Baizhu's best artifact set is Cyno, got it
Thanks for always cutting through the hype and actually crunching the numbers. You've saved my wallet on countless occassions.
i was looking for this because the top 3 or 4 youtubers that we all know are going to upload sensational titles and thumbnails in their videos. they all do that. then in team comp they NEVER use those characters!!
They overrate every character. They lie!
I don’t see people talking about this, but you have an amazing editor, all power to him, not getting the deserved recognition
I do have that unpopular opinion that I'm not really keen on his editor but that's a matter of my taste.
@@shamsielshahar120 any particular reason?
@@yayeet4250 I don't enjoy the sound effects, the humor in between edits, not my cup of tea. I just prefer straight up number crunching.
@@shamsielshahar120 his streams might be better fit for you if you just like the number crunching tho that's not all that he does in twitch
@@sjin3475 I do watch his live streams.
imagine if his normal attacks pierced through enemies bcs theyre needles...applying dendro to multiple targets that way would be so fun
ah but hoyo can't have a character powercreeping nahida as an on-field driver... can't have another mini venti situation lol
not saying baizhu can't be a driver; he's probably pretty good as one
Gurl baahh😅
I love your pre and psot release analyzes. I can't wait for Kavehs review. He's really hard for me to figure out so your insights will be really helpful :D
I can’t get over the food themed team names, “sautée” is hilarious
Zajef ZaChef strikes again
Not a fan of Yaoyao’s skill being split on healing us or attacking enemies so I can’t wait to pull Baizhu.
It depends on the situation BUT if you stand near the closet enemy itll do both... so it works that way in single target... but yeah her skill is meant for dendro application primarily and it does do that well
@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu
She takes too much field time with her burst. I can't wait to get my hands on Baizhu and Jadefall.
Baizhu having single target slow application makes me not want him. He's also very ER hungry and the uptime on his burst is not good.
If you play yaoyao in aggravate teams you only use her burst for emergency healing so you could run her as a yuegue bot most of the time
The real solution is to go for prototype amber nahida as a healer
Finally the moment, we, Cyno mains have been waiting for
Go for Nahida c2 if u wanna buff Cyno lol. Doubt most of us were waiting for him..
@John D prefer characters over constellations and kaveh is coming with baizhu >>>>
@@johnd7760 Baizhu's resist to innterupt and heals and buffs makes him more comfortable than Nahida, Nahida is just a stat stick honestly. It's the reason people prefer the wanderer over Xiao, more versetile even if weaker
@@johnd7760 c2 is expensive bro. Baizhu is better than Nahida for multi wave content with Cyno since you don't need to swap back to Nahida to reapply dendro if you use Baizhu once the enemy dies.
@John D alot of cyno players already have nahida but we needed another dendro applicator for off field. A shielder. And healer. Most people will use both + a hydro for hyper like xingqiu -myself-, yelan, etc or another electro for aggravate. For me, I'm a c6 cyno who needs baizhu for all 3 things he applies. I will be using my c0 nahida as well and xingqiu.
I'm not getting him but full healer Hyperbloom with Baizhu, Kokomi, Kuki, and Yaoyao sounds so funny XD
@@DinurAs Go C6Barbara over Kokomi so you can be sure you'll survive even if you somehow die lmao xD
The only reason i want to pull for him is that he's a healer. Other than that i hate his pants
Also bleed enemies a pain the arse, pulling for healers might be the best choice for me
my current team is fischl, barbara, Yao yao and I main qiqi. I'm tryna replace yaoyao with baizhu and I'm not a fan of kuki so I hope we get a new electro healer soonnn. I also want kokomi rly bad I'm tryna replace Barbra fr
you would never die
recently hoyo made some... questionable design choices while working on last few characters
It almost feels like they really don't want to make a dendro support, that's even tiny bit close to Nahida's performance.
Anyway! I'm putting my clown shoes on and waiting for Baizhu's banner to arrive, proto amber is already r5 90
@Zaraki chill, it's not really about Nahida, but since she is currently the best dendro support in the game people will compare new characters to her. On the other hand being "just a healer" doesn't bring enough to the table, does it?
In the end, he's a dendro unit, so Hoyo would have to try extra hard to make him bad.
@Zaraki hes like as good as Yaoyao who is a 4 star... and was free to choose when she released lol. they are right too they don't want anyone close to her in a support settings. right now healers need a purpose other than just healing to be considered good. but the nature of him being dendro makes up for that.
@Zaraki people doompost about every single new character, especially when the character in question has some questionable cooldowns or energy requirements. Imo Baizhu is going to be good, but he could have been amazing, if he had more range on his m1 attacks, or if his burst had a bit of aoe.
@@aliceinscaryland no no, he got a point. Nahida fans are actually shit just like yelan and shogun, they won't shut up like how they are always the best character in the game and won't stop comparing to other characters while nobody even mentioned them, meanwhile a lot of people could speedrun any content in the game without those said characters 😂
it’s just ridiculous that a 5 star dendro support doesn’t have good dendro app when the whole point of dendro is reactions
Wait, I just realized baizhu's "shield" will trigger the Husk's shields making him a liability against them...
ofc. theres no way they would ever make something similar to xingqiu rainswords again xD
wait, I thought that doesn't activate if the attack breaks your shield? If it works like that then Baizhu's 800 hp shield will not be an issue
@@nikidamutca8125 yeah, far as I know it only works if the shield absords the damage.
Here's the interesting thing though; Mihoyo already planned for that. The Husks do their shield rage mechanic if they hit your shield. If I'm not mistaken, the shield rage effect persist until the shield breaks meaning Baizu is unaffected since the shields don't persist or refresh. It's a new shield every time unlike Thoma's which stacks. I wouldn't be surprised if Fountaine is designed with mobs and bosses punishing players for having thick or long lasting shields. Probably encouraging healing and face tanking with units with high HP or some form of damage mitigation without the use of shields.
I was so confused thinking you meant the artifact set. 😂
Not all Shadow Husk enemies can penalize you for using a shield. In 12-2, I've found that immediately killing the Pyro guy takes away the threat of a mob shield being generated. If you can't kill them that quickly, you can still just dodge their swings because they're easy to telegraph.
31:37 probably the biggest caveat to pulling for Baizhu because Yaoyao is not only a 4-star, but you're pretty much almost always guaranteed her because of Lantern Rite(assuming they rerun the choose a 4-star reward every year). I think people are severely underselling his strength because of that, but as someone that has been waiting for him since 1.0, I am absolutely gonna pull for him 💀
Good luck. I'm going for khaveh but if I have to choose between another dps and a utility. I'm going utility all the way regardless of meta
Don’t worry having a good alternative 4 star option devaluing pull value of a 5 star is a short sighted problem. Every 5 star will have their 4 star similar equivalent release some point in the future, just a matter of when. Just enjoy your character for now, it’s not lower value in the long run.
Yeah this is looking like a Barbara-Kokomi or Sucrose-Kazuha situation and we all know how that ended…
@@biazacha it might take a few months or updates, but he will have teams were he outshines yaoyao
@@biazacha isn't suc=kaz even now
That interruption res sounds fucking delicious, i'm gonna try to get him, good luck to everyone🙏
Yep. Good heal and cant be staggered every 2.5 seconds sound rather nice.
Gonna love using him in a team with alhaitham, raiden, and yae. Tired of getting knocked around on yae and alhaitham
So excited to pull him. Always open to healers and supports any day.
His def stats could be reflecting his lore, he’s sick
I think hyper raiden is baizhu's best slot. his low dendro app means kazuha can keep swirling, and his healing consolidates raiden, & fischl+kazu can help battery him
I'd say he's somewhere between YaoYao and Nahida.
People always forget his skill hits up to 3 enemies, which most times is enough AoE for Quicken in floor 12.
Still, kind of sad how HYV did him somewhat dirty after years of keeping us waiting. If either his reaction buff was party-wise instead or his Dendro application had a good AoE he still wouldn't powercreep Nahida, I just don't get why his power level is that underwhelming.
Anyway, I'm still pulling, probably slotting him in my Tighnari team.
He's still helpful regardless for cyno. He's a healer, shielder wnd off field applicator. Paired with nahida and xingqiu will make for a comfy team comp. This coming from a c6 cyno user.
Exactly..this guy is so bent on the "no aoe" thing without trying him. Especially after c1 he will cover most enemies.
He also miscalculated the clam set. If he is healing 7k per character that's a good 28k. Also he is great for nilou for the dendro shield, with dendro application, and heals. Of course he wont apply like Nahida but he is healing too.
@@zkart8038 also i might be wrong but zajef used hp calculations for heals/dmg without the weapon right?
@@zkart8038 Nilou? nah, he aint any better than yaoyao in that team, might even be worse since (going off memory, correct me if im wrong) his dendro application is slower than yaoyao’s meaning that Baizhu would cause some of the blooms, youd lose alot of damage since he would have max HP build with no regards towards EM whatsoever,
Unless you build him full EM which…. is pointless since yaoyao is always there
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@@addedpole lol I love how everybody already assumes he's gonna have bad application without actually using him.
His healing will track you regardless where you are. Whereas yao yao will get knocked away further from her bunny. Yao yao's application seems more random and less controlled. His charged attack enough before switching can apply dendro a good aoe. And his passive buff to bloom reaction make like a lesser applier compared to Nahida, while providing higher survivability and actual healing to the part.
For Nilou the dendro shield will be good.
Wow.. Now,I finally understand why I always took damage while using thoma's shield.
Yeah, moment of enlightenment for me as well 😂
@@RKNancy IKR.. Didn't know his stacks are that weak.. Well, at least he's got a nice personality.
I never use him as a single defensive option. It's either burgeon with Bennet/YaoYao, or hyperburgeon with Kuki, or shieldbot for Wanderer with Bennet.
depends how you build him, he lets me clear floor 12 with Yoimiya as a solo defensive option (with Kazu and Yun Jin) even though he's ATK, pyro, crit with The Catch. Maybe cause he's lv 89 double crowned I guess so I still have decent HP. also I still dodge sometimes, mostly after her combo or when on other characters so it's not as comfy as Zhongli but more dmg in my case
@@maxzaharov89 Probably would mean that BaizhuThoma teams aka Thozhu teams would be good or at least decent. Burgeon is already AoE and producing too many isn't healthy since only 2 instances of damage can be registered on enemy at a given timeframe. Thoma's covered by Baizhu's healing and the lack of shielding Baizhu has is covered by Thoma. Synergy confirmed.
Sheeesh, its here! I hecking love pre-releases!
Despite watching it live I ll watch it once more, just because zajeff’s videos are so entertaining
i loved baizhus design since i saw him 2 years ago and im so excited to have him after saving for 4 months when i heard he was coming!!! its just nice that he also has synergy with cyno, a unit i really liked but didnt feel great playing :D cant wait to get him
Initially wanted to pull for him to increase comfort in Nilou team, but his application does not seem that good in AOE situation so i decided to just go for Nahida's C2. Good luck for those who want to pull though, seems good for Alhaitham and Cyno teams.
To be honest I'm considering the same, although that reaction bonus from the talent looks fun. Ech. Decisions, decisions...
@@EkkusuHayate i think that Nilous passive that boosts em when hit doesn't work if you're hit with a shield so i guess youd still be better off with Yaoyao also because she's insane in aoe
@@idkxd7 Interesting question. Considering how small his shields are, Nilou's blooms should be able to penetrate them even with absorption bonus. When they break the shield, shouldn't her passive work since afaik shield breaking hit sets the according elemental aura?
As alhaithem main it’s like yea, but quickbloom is better and more fun than spread so there’s no reason to get bashu, esp if u have nahida/Yaoyao already
@@EkkusuHayate yeah it might be enough to break it but consider that the shield has 250% dendro res and the bloom damage its around 500 so you basically get nothing on hit. You would need a lot of blooms and it's not a reliable way of getting the buff. And again, Nilou shines in aoe and Baizhu being mostly single target its not that great
Can't wait to not have enough primos to pull for Baizhu and lose my 50/50, woo! Cyno aggravate is really... well, aggravating for me to run right now, so Baizhu would be a VERY welcome addition to the roster. I've been waiting for a Dendro shielder for a while!
no zhongli moment 💀
@@johnd7760 not that. Just all 3 things baizhu applies is super helpful for cyno. I have an unbuilt zhongli since day 1. Baizhu is better for cyno
@@nobody-xh6ii Why did you pull for him then, to say you have him?😂
He is better than him, yes, but slightly.
@@johnd7760 Zhongli in Aggravate is kinda strange...? Zhongli isn't made for aggravate. He doesn't benefit from Quicken. He doesn't give you resonance.
@@sandwich3659 He shreds and can hold petra for more electro dmg, besides strong ass shield. Many use him in dendro teams, it's not smth weird.
Again, we'll see how significant change Baizhu will offer to pull him and replace him and/or yaoyao
I’m looking forward to baizhu for my tighnari team instead of zhongli so I can run double dendro double electro, and the res to interruption is so nice for tighnari
What's your team like right now?
I hv tighnari team too, but I still prefer pulling for nahida
Here is a video idea.
Do a "How every character in genshin is balanced/good at something".
Dehya would just be missing from that video
@@四方八方 Wdym she's BiS in the Teapot 💀
Dehya players trolldespair
IWTL did it recently!
@@Naruto_Uzumaki0123 yeah but like
he's a giant whale and not a TC
I was waiting for this analysis, thank you as always for amazing job, sir MLADY
Ok but why his snake has no actions whatsoever thats so sad
What's changsheng gonna do? Bite the enemies? 😂
@@seven.7153 Jump off his shoulder amd starts dancing.
7:41 Actually its Aggravate and spread damage by 36% and not 40% (Mika's Voice)
baizhu burst is mihoyo trying to tell us how to use crytilize shield XD
I've been having issues with team building around my c1r1 cyno, baizhu is genuinely a godsend. Even if he's not as good as zhongli or yaoyao, the fact he does one singular thing well and has synergy with Electro makes him miles better for my purposes.
You don't understand how insane theory crafting this man gets. I love your content, lots of information to unpack here and amazing explaination. Props to the research and set up you had. Not to mention the amount of walking through you did for us is absolutely amazing. Thank you so much for this.
wait i just realized the artifact section, that's fully wrong. in non-dendro teams where he doesn't need deepwood, clam is the best contributor to tdps. these calcs have already been done.
Thank you editor. You be killin' it these days frfr
i just need another versatile shielder/healer and Baizhu fits my Keqing agravate team. now my Zhongli can support Xiao full time. lol
why not yao yao? I am in the same position as you.
@@heinzkohl7739 yaoyao doesn't proc dendro often and has to switch between hitting enemies or healing you. Her burst is great. She's fine for a 4* but in this case? Off field Dendro applicator + shielder + healer is better for cyno teams.
For me I'm using cyno, nahida, xingqiu, baizhu
People can keep doomposting as much as they want but as a cyno main who is TIRED of getting smacked to oblivion when im on his burst and dendro applicators ending LOONG before his burst does. I NEED HIM NOW.
Also because I love him
Feel ya there 🤝
Me on my way to build a DPS baizhu:
I kinda wanna know how he works in coop, does everyone in the party get shields after his burst or do they only get healed?
thank you editors as always < 3
Tyyy,now I got something to listen to while driving
24:24 while talking about Clam I think you meant to say Prototype Amber not Hakushin
I'm so mad they made him second phase. Now I'm having to chose between wasting my garanteed pity on Nahida and hope I manage to pull Baizhu, or skipping Nahida all together which is also a bummer
Get Nahida and test your luck on Baizhu
How is it wasting if you get a good unit 💀
Oh yeah, wasting your guaranteed in one of the best characters of the game….
Go for nahida and ty your luck with baizhu, even if Baizhu is vastly better than the theorycrafters say he is, he is still not going to be on the same level as nahida
i would 100% use the gurantee for nahida, she is the best dendro char and one of the best char in the game. she is honestly so gd its insane
Watching zajef''s analysis usually helps a lot when I'm deciding on who to pull or build, but I'm still conflicted after this. I play both Cyno and a Yae aggravate team, and he'd be a solid upgrade for both. But... it doesn't really feel like he's enough of an upgrade to pull an entire 5-star for. On the other hand... I do have pretty much all 5-stars I actually want/need, so I could afford the pulls. Hmm...
Since Baizhu is second half banner and around that time we can already get leaks on the upcoming new character or potential rerun so you can decide whether to pull for him or see if you like the upcoming characters. He'll really be good with Cyno so that's a plus factor to pull but it's fine if you're satisfied with his team.
since he's coming in the second half of 3.6 I would wait for the 3.7 livestream and see if there are going to be any upcoming characters that you're interested in and if not then pull, but obviously if you really like/want him then pull
Hes not rl needed if u have zhong anyway. May as well waste ur pulls for Nahida c1-2,will help Cyno more... and literally every team that can proc quicken..
Just pull whoever u want to pull ☺️
@Yasper cons are a waste of pulls though. You can get a whole new character that you can use in various teams instead of just unlocking a buff for a character that is already pretty broken at C0.
This is definitely giving me a flashback to the whole Barbara vs Kokomi debate when she first came out. Obviously healers aren’t the most necessary units the game, I feel like most players favour either shields or heals. So it’s going to come down to whether you pull Baizhu because you like his design or you’re a fan of healers and want another one
As a fellow Kokomi main, these discussions are giving indeed flashbacks to those days.
The nuance is Kokomi is actually a noticeable upgrade over Barbara due to aoe application which a huge deal for nilou and ayaka teams. Baizhu over YaoYao depends how a player would value more healing, every 2.5s resistance to interruption and a pretty meh buff on reactions. From what I've seen most people are doing just fine with YaoYao in terms of survivability and would rather have consistent off-field aoe dendro app, unfortunately Baizhu does not offer that. His main strength is healing.
Bro how do we keep seeing this take on literally every release like dehya was a kokomi situation as well according to clueless people
yea back then the discusion about Kokominand Barbara really heat up till KQM discover that Kokomi has no icd on her jelly fish, also Kokomi can be solid ToM user. while if you only wanna have Barbara as hydro in freeze team with ToM..... its pain man. i use Ayaka and Barbara back then before kokomi comes out and ooofffff, i need hugging my enemies.
They nerfed Barbara Bloom generation and buffed Kokomi ICD. Any discussion about them is pointless since it's clear they force you to use Kokomi over Barbara so it wasn't fair to begin with for Barbara.
Balls, thnx for doing the pre release mr. zajoof
Why do I feel like people will hate Baizhu when he gets released, I can see here that he's not that worth it
you joke but the healing when gathering is what pushed me to pull
Thanks for that, mate. I was really waiting for your insights on Baizhu. He seems to be solid enough, it won't be a waste of Primogems.
informative as always! can't wait for kaveh's video tho!
i actually want kaveh analysis video more than baizhu simply becz kaveh has a more intriguing mechanic
seconded
one thing Mr zajeff , you should take into consideration is that ppl watch your videos because they are struggling not because you don't struggle in abyss so you should set the tone for you video in a way that makes it sound as you are helping ppl n not bragging that you don't need the healing in abyss.
The problem I see with Deepwood on Baizhu is that he doesn't have much AoE. So he can't effectively reduce Dendro RES on all of the enemies.
I'll be using him on the same team as Nahida. Even though she can deal much more Dmg than Baizhu, I still think she is much better suited to wield the Deepwood set thanks to her amazing AoE (able to consistently hit all enemies with her Dendro Attacks, thus reducing all enemies' Dendro Res).
I know she could do more personal base damage with Gilded Dreams for example, but I feel like she's way better at using Deepwood compared to Baizhu.
So I'll probably keep her on Deepwood, and give Baizhu some other support set or healing set (or 2pc / 2pc combinations).
What do you think?
I sent this video to a friend of mine today, her response sums Baizhu's entire kit, she said : If a dendro support needs Nahida, who is also a support, to actually work, is he really worth it in the first place?
Well I pull for nahida and then gor kaveh on baizhu's banner
I'd be fine if I got him at early pity or lose 50/50
He is literally a white snake reference
I can't wait to try him with Nahida, Cyno, and Yelan/Kokomi😃
same I will also try Cyno, Nahida, FIschl/Beidou and Baizhu
@@iamkaedahara Ooh, that team sounds cool too😲
Wow. That was like the most comprehensive analysis of a character I've ever seen🔥
Even after watching this analysis I'm still struggling choosing between getting Baizhu or building Yaoyao, I want a dendro healer for my Alhaitham Quickbloom team (Alhaitham, XQ, EM Raiden, Dendro Healer). Building Yaoyao would also give me a reason to go for Nilou or get some Nahida cons but Baizhu seems more comfortable to play due to not needing any on-field time. Finding out that his buff only affects the on-field character has made me lean towards Yaoyao since that buff from Baizhu was what was initially making me go for him for my Quickbloom team.
I'll wait a bit longer to see if more people talk about Baizhu in this specific team, pretty sadge he's in the second half so I have to figure out whether or not I want to get him before Nilou/Nahida banners go away.
Well i have the same al haitham team and i personally am using yao yao her heals are decent so you can run her but if you have kuki it is better to play alhaitham with xq kuki and nahida which is the best team for him so if you have both kuki and nahida it is better to play that team than with raiden yao yao
@@mahdi2268 It would be definitely be better to use Kuki + Nahida and I've thought about building Kuki, but I really like how long Raiden's E lasts (25seconds vs 15seconds) and how fast it triggers (0.9seconds vs 1.5seconds).
Baizhu is more comfortable because of his small shields.
@@TisNotFlakey 15 seconds is still enough to cover Alhaitham's full uptime and the trigger speed doesn't make that much difference really, since Kuki has I think 4 extra applications from her burst, which you can cast right after Alhaitham's one, and another 3 per rotation if you have her C4. More importantly, Nahida will buff your Alhaitham SO much more and do much more damage compared to Baizhu or Yaoyao. It is worth it.
I'd stick with yaoyao
I can't wait for the Kaveh pre release analysis...
Idc about meta i just want my pretty doctor home 😼
I've been waiting for your commentary on baizhu impatiently!! hope you're doing better now 🩷
Overall he's gonna be fine and is not nearly as bad as some make him out to be. He's not gonna be Nahida levels of broken, but also not Dehya levels of broken 💀
He's like a sidegrade of YaoYao where he's better in some comps and worse in others depending on whether the comps can fit YaoYao's on-field time without negatively impacting Team DPS.
Yeah mostly just Dendro oversaturation and Yaoyao releasing before him so "Dendro Healer" isnt as big of a selling point anymore.
A good state for a character to be in, you can use him if you like him but skipping him wont deprive you of options.
For Cyno, the difference between Yao Yao and Baizhu is huge. Way more than just a side grade.
People are disappointed because they wanted Nahida's replacement and they were being hyped up by a conspiracy that Baizhu being Liyue character would get some special treatment and will be T0
@@Matthew-qt3jk Bruh
@@castielysia right? So the people disappointed just wanted powercreep? That’s all I understood. “Replacement for Nahida” be fo real
his buff only applying to the active character is really sad for hyperbloom teams
it's like he's specifically made for Cyno more than anyone else
thanks for the info, now i'm confident about skipping
It really does not matter that his shield sucks. If you assume Skill Level 9 and HP between 30000 and 40000 then you will have over the bursts duration between 18000 and 23000 healing.
True, but I kinda do wish his shield was just a tiny bit stronger. Just something like 1.5k
I just noticed the title screen was based off You Don't Know Jack
Come here after the stream. I didn’t expect Zajef to upload this pre-release so soon but hey, no harm watching it again.
Anyway, I think Baizhu is one of the best design character. pretty balancing and quite unique. him being a sidegrade version of Yaoyao with strength and weakness in their share of team archetype is pretty good from balancing perspective. it also make team building more interesting.
It kinda sad that people doesn’t like him because he’s mid as if being mid is bad thing when it’s actually not.
"so soon"
For other characters he used to upload even before the beta ending, Baizhu's took him much more time :(
I'm happy we finally have a very good cyno support!
Why do I feel like it's about time to switch to vertical investing nothing seems to be doing anything but atleast some stuff like C2 Kazuha, Nahida, Yelan, Raiden would be doing so much ngl
Hmm what keeps me from pulling cons is that a lot of vertical investment is just "big numbers", and doesn't really change gameplay like a new character can. I like making/trying new team comps and building new characters rather than just making all your numbers 20 or 40% bigger like C2 Nahida or Raiden does.
@@aerohydra3849 what innovative or interesting gameplay does Baizhu provide that you say he's still more worth over some cons I listed? Is an E Q bot that innovative or it's part of liking him and you might say you didn't even mention Baizhu but my main comment fully refers to Baizhu.
@@thebrigade7684Horizontal investment doesn't mean you need to pull every single character released and with fontaine about to come out, im pretty sure hoyoverse will bring something new to the characters especially focalor the upcoming hydro archon. Vertical investment almost 80% of the time is just a bigger number so unless you're still struggling abyss or you really love the characters, its not really worth it and gets boring really fast imo
@@jehezz it's also boring to bench the characters you pull for because they aren't performing well like the most popular main DPS is still hu Tao since 1.3 but then there's cases like Ganyu or Venti who fell off so hard that it's honestly scary
@@thebrigade7684 I mean for me the fact that he has unique animations, passives, and he's a new character to build for makes him inherently interesting to me. I don't really care for people calling characters "E-Q bots" when the core depth of the gameplay isn't about the inputs you press, it's about rotation crafting and mediating elemental auras.
And also, at least for me, I never permabench a character, since I try out different team comps all the time. To be honest, everyone has a use, even those who you say "fell off". After the 36 star, there really is nothing to aim for so it's all about personal goals. If you like speedrunning and making characters hit bigger numbers then go for cons.
Omg I've literally been counting the minutes until this video!!!!
Ready for plant man 💚
So basically, in translation, he’s a luxury.
is there gonna be a Kaveh Pre-Release? I really want to know about him and how does he work
No
Kaveh seems best used in a freeze/bloom team. Hydro/cryo/dendro/anemo. An alternative for people who feel they need an anemo grouper in a bloom team that Nilou can't offer. Could be an interesting team.
@@jy1178 I mean he’ll probably be better in hyper bloom tbh, fridge is to bad for him to be a meaningful upgrade for it and hyperbloom is to to strong for him to have a better team with his lackluster personal damage. Also when it comes to Nilou and fridge teams he also just applies less dendro than his competition, making the fact that his blooms deal a bit more damage mean less when he just generates less of them.
He streamed it, not sure if we’ll see it on UA-cam though.
Yes, he already recorded it a few days ago.
Honestly all this time I was under the impression he was buffing entire parties' dendro reaction damage. Hearing he is not is kinda disappointing, especially when other Dendro characters provide em buffs that is universal to all characters (meaning melt and vape teams can also benefit from them).
Due to that I thought that you could at least run him as a lone dendro applier/buffer in aggrevate/spread teams, but it seems like you will definitely need to run him with Nahida. He will still be a good unit, but much more conditional than he should be (which seems to be an ongoing trend for a lot of recent characters, which is definitely MHY playing psychological games with the playerbase).
Also keep in mind that being off field dendro applicator and healer is such a universal trait, that it can only get more valuable as more characters from new regions get released. So having him will be overall nicer than Yaoyao cuz you have to stay on field with her
@@sticky4401 With decent amount of dodging skills and enough hp Yaoyao can usually sustain your on-field character with just her skill.
Also, I am positive that Dendro will receive indirect nerfs with Fontaine, because it is just too good at the moment, so I doubt his value as dendro applier will be any higher than it is going to be at his release.
On the other hand, I do think that we may see a Fontaine dps character that will synergize with healers and turn all excess healing into damage, allowing healers to be more prevalent across the board (atm only healers that are used are Kuki, Kokomi and Yaoyao, while other are mostly neglected).
At the end of the day, it is all about Future Impact and MHY's psychological warfare.
@@vukkicos5688 Future Impact stands strong. I will play Copium impact with him, but even then he seems just overall a comfy support
"Dendro characters provide em buffs that is universal to all characters" - uh? Most buffs are for active character only as well, at least if not considering 5-star constellations.
This trend also helps prev powercreep a bit. Tho of course archons will still op
I was hoping for analysis of Ganyu Xiangling Bennett Baizhu. If his resistance to interruption is good enough, there is no point using Nahida over Xiangling. You can just play point blank range and be fine and this will then be the strongest Ganyu Melt Team because with burning and xiangling there should be enough Pyro to melt burst as well as charged shots. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it feels to play that once he comes out
29:32 he discussed burnmelt Ganyu here though. Says you would still need to use Nahida cause his dendro app is only 1u
@@wuttatota148 He only discussed the double Dendro variant. Xiangling applies more Pyro than Nahida's burning. Burning from Baizhu would just be a bonus so it doesn't matter that he only applies 1u. Of course it's just theories at this stage - I don't know how all the numbers add up and whether it will in fact be better than current Zhongli team
@@SeenE-kg9njwhat the point to play baizu if you already use Xiangling ? He does'nt do damage, burning is a joke in single target, he is very single target oriented, you have already Bennett for the healing, his shield is weak to the point you better bring a real shielder, he only buff burning and ONLY for the active character which is much of the time Ganyu who much prefer Nahida EM sharing. You better play him in other team.
Thanks for explaining how the shield works.
I tried explaining it to people because I run Wanderer, Faruzan, Bennet, Thoma. Which lets me run my Hutao team with Zhongli on the other side.
Cyno and Baizhu were probably two of the most anticipated characters since launch... And they made them so bad... It's sad.
Raiden, Yelan, Baizhu, and Scara is the team I'm gonna use when I finally get him!!!!
I can't wait for you to do the Kaveh videos bro, because I want to know how I can build him so he does damage not blooms I'm happy he has a good use but I was hoping he could do damage himself
Hell never do dmg for himself, sorry to dissapoint.
@@hydreigon2709 he's a claymore and has dendro infusion during his burst I'm sure there's teams you can make with him
@@SleepyKurisu nope, his personal damage is pitiful
funny how the last 3 liyue 5 stars all have extra skill charge as their c1
Why u can't use kokomi donut to him? % Hp based and healing bonus or attack based on max hp. And it suits esthetically.
Finally!! Thank you mr. Theory crafter :)
I was looking forward to use him on burgeon with Thoma + Ayato... I hope the post-release analysis brings some good news
that's interesting too. you probably will need a 2nd dendro unit. the most preferable options would be Nahida and a On-field Yaoyao.
someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the buff applying only to the active means you have to use the electro character that's triggering the hyperblooms to get the buff right? Stuff like Kuki's skill triggering the hyperblooms won't get the buff?
I kinda wanna pull him for my hyperbloom team since kuki keeps dying despite being a "healer"
Not to be that person but skill issue. Kuki is supposed to at low hp anyways and should only be on field to quickly cast her skill and sometimes her burst, which has i-frame
This is just skill issue
@@Kat-37i9 oh I know, I think at this point I just want a more comfier game play. Also I like Baizhu anyway and was thinking of how to utilise him in my current teams since I don't play any dendro team other tha hyperbloom. So protecting kuki is the justification I came up with 😂
@@zedeon6299 well kuki in floor 12 is a bit stressful indeed. Also, I don't have Cyno but I still want some use out of Baizhu so I am justifying it by putting him with Kuki 😂
@@sucharitaMCK fair enough. I wish you luck on your pulls!
small shields that refreshes often gives better resistance to interruption than dehya kekw
While I don't think he's going to be as bad as a lot of people are saying I also don't like the idea the HYV seems to be limiting him per scaling to Nahida as to deliberately make him not as good as her. While the other dendro characters have varying degrees of viability it just kinda feels like they always have a little caveat or two that just makes them an inferior dendro option to Nahida in a way that the other elements with archons don't have to the same extent. With the other elements you have plenty of other good options (maybe except for geo because there's so few characters) but with dendro it just seems like everything always leads back to "just use Nahida".
Honestly, I now believe that it's not hyv limiting anymore, it's more like hyv moved on because they knew they fucked up and there should be no underlying effect that instant elemental application at all in the game since the first place.
They can't even 'oh simple, we can just creates enemies that removes aura on itself' because it's not the auta that matters, it's the effect of her skill that ties them that will creates the aura... Thats how fucked up they are...
Can we PLEASE rename “Burnmelt” to Frostburn? It’s such a better name.
Welp, i'm not sure if it's even important, but i don't think Baizhu is THAT st focused in quicken teams.
There's a thing Yaoyao's skill can't be repositioned. And you have to rely on rng in some cases. In BZ case you can reposition yourself and make quicken happen more reliable. It also works better for multiwave content.
Not like it makes a big difference tho.
This. Plus people seem to forget that skill hits 3 enemies every 10 seconds, that's already enough to keep Quicken on them the whole time.
@@betulla96 No it doesn't, footage shows his skill not jumping around as fast as Beidou ult would so there will be a lot of times when some enemies have no dendro on them
Baizhu’s hype waned but this is Zachef’s most popular vid.
I was honestly looking forward to him since his apperance 2+ years ago, but sounds like he’s going to be a mid utility support 😞 which is suprising since he’s from Liyue and his lore is quite prominent in the Liyue storyline.
Play the characters you like mate. This game isn’t hard. You’ll be much happier. My brother is a Eula and Dehya main and has a great time and still 36 stars the abyss (when he actually tries) :)
@@IGagaFever you aren't gonna like a character of they feel bad to play. Not him just a general statment
liyue bias never existed lol. dunno where it came from. but he will be fine. hes better than average for sure
@@pyronado4320 I see what you’re saying, but character and kits are quite different especially when it comes to genshin. If you actually like the character, you’ll always do what you can to make them work and be the best they can be 💚
@@IGagaFever yes I can try a little more to like a playstyle of the character I like writing-wise or I can just play something that feels better.
The best potential I see with a Baizhu is for my Cyno that lacks stagger resistance during his ultimate and needs ample field time so having an ultimate that last 14 sec off-field is quite nice, his biggest advantage over Yao Yao is that he does not require on-field time to heal so he is the only Dendro off-field healer we have as for now.
I want to run a pure burning team and I was wondering if his shield helps with the knockback of burning. Guess I'll go test it out with my Thoma.
Nice video. Are you gonna do a Kaveh one?
Why Tenacity 4p...he can't keep the buff up. Also clam lasts for the entirety of his burst duration so i don't think it's that bad.
12:59 except when you equip Ocean Hued Clam set.